my WA for tracking the blet taunt duration is buged, the buff stay up during 300 sec in my ui, what is the real duration plz ?
#protection
sweet summit
the blet taunt duration?
turbid moth
Cardboard Assassin
sweet summit
oh i actually dont know
stark vector
Anyone who has a intervene macro that target nearest partymember?
turbid moth
#showtooltip
/cast [target=???] Intervention
turbid moth
then u probs are tracking the cd not the duration
u were right
turbid moth
i need to find out how many times it keep agrro
orchid frigate
noticed in pugs that in PF ppl sometimes manage to control the -dmg taken blob on second boss sometimes is cc:d. how can i help out with making it easily cc:d?
jagged pier
do u mean on the boss?
sweet summit
dont put deep wounds on it, storm bolt it and fuck off
jagged pier
dont hit it and move away basically
sweet summit
or just bring a warlock and he solo CCs both ๐
orchid frigate
ah storm bolt it and fuck off sounds good
will give some time to see what the group does with it :p
and it wont go close to the bomb during that time
another PF question: right before last boss, is it worth doing the two packs behind the mini boss first so he dont teleports away?
sweet summit
ya
orchid frigate
you need to kill all mobs in them first or is it enough to tag them before mini boss?
spiral geode
Kill them before
Go around kill other two packs and pack with mini Boss as last one.
orchid frigate
can i trust a pug to execute this? never seen it done in pugs so a bit hesitant ๐
sweet summit
just tell them to go to the packs in the back first
the water shit is deadly as fuck tho
spiral geode
You van avoid DMG from water
sweet summit
ya just hc leap ez
spiral geode
No need
Just jump
When you are jumping in the water you will not get debuff from water
crimson furnace
Beating Abomination Core -- git this today, did u guys notice the freaking broken heals this thing does??? (194ilvl)
sweet summit
ya its one of two good world quest trinkets
sweet summit
cos warriors dont have healing
orchid frigate
how broken is it? worth taking over stone legion trinky (220)?
sweet summit
not imo, no
orchid frigate
whats the other good one?
sweet summit
hymnal of the path
strong forum
it finished above myu indom,itrable in a +16 mists
how much hps did it do
tidal brook
#showtooltip
/targetfriendplayer
/cast Intervene
/targetlasttarget
this works for me, targets closest member in front of you
jagged pier
@strong forum which one ๐ค
jagged pier
its like 4% haste for 4% vers i was thinking its better but i just wanted to check
not sure about my mastery probs have low mastery
maybe take the 226 haste mastery neck from raid 
strong forum
yeah it might actually be a play
BoM made us so fucking tanky in m+, so why are we now completely ignoring mastery ykno
seems kinda dumb
jagged pier
true i feel reprisal makes mastery slightly better tbh
crimson furnace
how much hps did it do
out of 2.4M overall healing at the end of the dungeon, this baby was sitting at 650k, righ up there with indom...
strong forum
so your indom healing was low
got it
but yeah abom core is good healing at higher ilvl
crimson furnace
going to do another one, gonna run this and hymnal in the next dungeon, same everything
brb
crimson furnace
like %??
jagged pier
get out of hear with vulp healing 
strong forum
just like DPS is the only relevant metric for offensive things
not% or total dmg done
what matters is the "per second" number
strong forum
get out of hear with vulp healing <:Pepexecute:595606525272391710>
that 56 hps from leech tho
crimson furnace
aaaaaaaaaaaa
jagged pier
well lots of new targets so not suprised
not that i take like any damage on SLGs tbh
im on add duty
crimson furnace
<@!202896826188300289>
403 ๐ฆ
jagged pier
in the few phase 3 attempts weve had i take the boss in phase three and the healers arent used to healing me on the fight so i get forgotten 
crimson furnace
average heal, 5.6k
crit heals 12K
strong forum
403 ๐ฆ
403 is massive from a shit trinket
the issue is, its just like sporepods, rng as fuck
but its good for padding healing meter i guess?
jagged pier
sweet summit
imean
jagged pier
just play with phial does damage and is always up
sweet summit
this converts overhealing to absorb
strong forum
sweet summit
so its a lot better than sporepods
strong forum
alot
i had full 5minutes of going without a single proc sometimes
and then you get like 5 procs back to back
jagged pier
could have got changed in the patch ๐คท
jagged pier
crimson furnace
WQ;s
still pagoda
https://clips.twitch.tv/WiseIronicGrassArsonNoSexy-uZieBTNq3h7wwTPD
god
i want to prog again but i'm in no shape or form to do anything other than lower keys for the time being
still pagoda
heh
sweet summit
@strong forum its hasted
still pagoda
i've just started clearing out M0's right after hitting 60
seems it'll be a smooth ride to good gear this time around
jagged pier
Karton healing me soon i believe
still pagoda
orchid frigate
prio order of VP upgrades, items sitting on 213 and i'm choosing between acidslough bulwark shield, fleshfused gauntlets, stichflesh ring and blood splattered scale. i think shield, right?
sweet summit
shield yeah
still pagoda
Karton healing me soon i believe
honestly, valor upgrades seem like a really good addition. At least i can upgrade any piece I'll use for a long time after i get at least the +15 drop of it
orchid frigate
shield yeah
im so tempted to go NF (at least till 9.1 closes in).
oops
wrong answer
orchid frigate
fits better since i raid as fury as well
only thing that holds me back is the boring quests
๐
still pagoda
oh
jagged pier
โ๏ธ
still pagoda
i don't remember, but didn't they reset valor back in previous expacs too?
strong forum
joke
still pagoda
from patch to patch
strong forum
i think so
orchid frigate
at least it will probably be converted to silver ๐
orchid frigate
mhm
think still its a bit weird you get same amount of VP no matter level of key
i liked in BFA how you got residuum according to key level
jagged pier
to encourage ppl to do low keys becuase no one was running them, because of vault
jagged pier
i used to do low keys all te time in legion because leggo chance and AP
then still ran in BFA a little cause it didnt effect chest now if its not a 14 dont even invite me XD
strong forum
the idea of valor was so you could gear up better
and be pseudo conquest
and since conquest gives the same amount all the time, why shouldnt keys
the fact that it plays out like garbage didnt play a role i guess
and that the quantification just isnt there
between conq and valor upgrades and how they work
jagged pier
well the issue was most ppl that cared already out geared the valor armour cap
jagged pier
TRUE
strong forum
by the time most people have KSM theyre already 220
strong forum
thats cuz you didnt pvp
orchid frigate
mhm
orchid frigate
no not really happy with how it played out ๐ฆ
still pagoda
gaunt dawn
i look at wipes like that clip @strong forum
and i can understand why people get burnt out
why wouldnt you all just jump
still pagoda
spare viper
yo can we use unstoppable force or into the fray over ravager in m+?
like dps wise with am does unstoppable even compete or is it just bad
orchid frigate
do like naowh and play UF coz you prefer the game style ๐
jagged pier
yer but naowhs favourite tank is BDK
so.......
plus UF is actually harder to play as u have to prio TC
brittle owl
bdk doesn't have 
jagged pier
which u literally cant do cause youll over cap like crazy
so u loose value in the talent
brittle owl
jagged pier
orchid frigate
idk why but watching naowh depleting keys is top entertainment
or well, not saying that its his fault or anything
but when his groups are*
young oasis
RiP... My worst fear
still pagoda
by the time most people have KSM theyre already 220
isn't that mostly a problem due to how pug community and WoW community in general treats the "requirements" for different content?
sand condor
yep
still pagoda
not exactly because of the valor or 15's being "hard" and what not
sand condor
and what guild is looking for a warrior or even a tank, this late in the tier?
still pagoda
and what guild is looking for a warrior or even a tank, this late in the tier?
oh, welcome in. You're now in an almost exact situation i was on launch of SL
sucks to be you and me i guess
still pagoda
my "luck" ended the moment i went on to find a guild again after being told that i'll be replaced by "a bis tank" for SL in my previous guild for which i trialed. That same tank left month after i transferred onto a different server
unreal scarab
still pagoda
i was told that i could retrial as a DPS but was heavily discouraged due to lack of experience and hefty competition in the words of the officer that told me that.
Whatever, it's all in the past and i have to start from scratch all over again
sick sentinel
do we craft reprisal on legs or feet
solid cairn
Legs
sick sentinel
thank you sir
still pagoda
_
Ignoring what your alternative items are for each slot, here's a rule of thumb for legendary crafting slot selection:
Chest >= Legs >= Head > Ring = Amulet > Shoulders
= Boots >= Belt = Gloves > Wrist > Cloak
This is generally going to be the most bang for your buck out of the extra ilvl, with some variance on the relative value of jewelry depending on what you are optimizing for._
If blizz didn't change itemisation and stat budgets in any possible ways recently
signal plover
Late af response. Nah, sub 10% wipes last night. Looking like Tuesday for kill.
sweet summit
๐ค
sick sentinel
_
Ignoring what your alternative items are for each slot, here's a rule of thumb...
Thank you
ah should have made it on feet instead
since SLG drops 235 legs
unlucky
toxic prairie
Healer DC's for 2 minutes in the middle of 15 NW (going for KSM). We miss timing stone by 3 seconds. rough life
still pagoda
unlucky
go with what people wrote here before. Put in on legs since you might not get SLG legs with some degree of rng
solid cairn
Also i don't think we have the loot from the raid
ember token
I did get mine from GV, never been lucky on raids... but my spec was set to Arms by accident -.-
solid cairn
So there is a possibility that there would be no legs with a higher ilvl
violet marsh
how easy is soloing torghast as a freshly leveled warrior?
signal plover
Just follow the reccomended ilvls for an easy time
You can push a bit ahead of what their reccomendation is but you'll have to play a bit careful til you get solid powers.
But in general torghast is quite easy for us.
violet marsh
ok perfect thank you
yeah my mage struggles but my shaman stomps it just wanted a feel of where prot warriors sit
violet marsh
lol
steep magnet
Cant choose between my trinkets for high keys, what would u recommend: Gluttonus Spike 226/ SK trinket 226 / Sanguine Vintage 220
lofty widget
vintage+spike
i feel that SK is a personal choice, if you feel that you need it, then use it (and swap for spike imo)
jagged pier
i havent run al'ar in 20s tbh i dont think u need it
lofty widget
not needed until at least 22+
wanton condor
if your heart ain't proccing you ain't playing risky enough
inland raft
Ya i run it on dh not because i need it per se but because i can pull largwr and just use it as part of the pull
kindred raptor
Do you guys have a general opinion on necrolord prot vs. venthyr prot in raids?
kindred raptor
I can see that. Is fleshcraft worth choosing for a beef up option during off tanking, as opposed to having condemn as a damage reducer?
jagged pier
i dont know why you would want to spend 4 secs of your time during a fight channel a spell
cinder skiff
Is there a point when your vers gets to low while grinding m+, taking ill over stats. I had bad luck getting good stats on new gear my vers hit 5%. Seems like 10s are starting to hurt more than before.
lofty widget
no your vers wont matter
jagged pier
that will be down to play im afriad vers has nothing to do with it
lofty widget
could run 5 % vers in 20s np
jagged pier
^^
cinder skiff
Oh ok than lol
kindred raptor
i dont know why you would want to spend 4 secs of your time during a fight chann...
It's 3s now, and is it not just significant reduction after you swap back to actively tanking? As opposed to just doing w/e dmg you can in 2-3 globals anyway?
jagged pier
i would rather do damage tbh and in terms of damage reduction condemn probably gives you more over the course of a fight
kindred raptor
I would agree, I'm just progging with my guild and what i realize is the 1st 20% hp does down fast cuz everyone has cooldowns, and if we make it to the last 20% thats great, but I'm literally gaining no benefit from condemn most of the time
jagged pier
i mean youll get like 1 use out of fleshcraft
still pagoda
You would gain no benefit from fleshcraft either
jagged pier
tbh they are both the worst covenants imo
still pagoda
^
jagged pier
like covenants only really give u damage in raid situation
languid flower
I disagree
languid flower
With fleshcraft, are you able to block while channeling? I know you didn't used to.
strong forum
Yes
sweet summit
yes you are
jagged pier
like its all built in stuff you dont really care about like sure 3% magic damage from pelgos but honestly like your saying like well AA gives u mitigation great but your just pressing the spell like you would to dps
languid flower
oh, then that's an even more significant mitigation boost.
jagged pier
if your saving AA for mitigation in raiding then im not on the same brain levels as you so im out
languid flower
So Fleshcraft gives 20% DR for 3 seconds while you can still block/parry/dodge, and then a shield at the end of it? That's an amazing spell.
sweet summit
it is
languid flower
Bye Jakey!
Generally speaking, I do use AA alongside Booming Demo shout and avatar as my offensive CD's for when the time is right
but if I'm having any trouble surviving, EVERYTHING goes to survival.
I'll only revenge when it's free, all rage goes to SB or IP, etc etc
I'm an oldschool tank, from back when the tank's job was to make the healer's job as easy as possible, and dps was something the rest of the raid did.
jagged pier
i mean ive tanked since vanilla ๐คท but u do you
languid flower
I haven't changed my mindset
languid flower
but I do concede that at certain levels of play (namely high keys), that mindset doesn't work anymore
Once you're surviving well enough that the healer gets a GCD or 2 free to use on a regular basis, then I start adjusting to squeeze out some more DPS
autumn pendant
Not to be rude but many people play since vanilla and they never got good
languid flower
Fair point
jagged pier
plenty of videos of my playing out there your welcome to go watch them if you want ๐คท
autumn pendant
Im saying that in general
still pagoda
if your saving AA for mitigation in raiding then im not on the same brain levels...
does it really give mitigation though? That's were the question lies
Unless blizz did something with soulbinds, it only gave a stat boost from one of the soulbind traits iirc. Otherwise, it's a pure DPS/CC cooldown as far as i remember
sweet summit
razonko just jumping in to #protection to be toxic smh
jagged pier
i dunno i dont play NF
sweet summit
it gives mastery
autumn pendant
razonko just jumping in to <#148897941883584512> to be toxic smh <:sadge:8202023...
OH COME ON
sweet summit
with niya
sweet summit
ya thats why i put kyrian pelagos as an example :/
signal plover
Oooo are we being toxic
sweet summit
he's not wrong tho
that is defensive value
no we're not being toxic
stop buli
jagged pier
no one likes me
autumn pendant
no we're not being toxic
i jsut want to be prot boy too
jagged pier
autumn pendant
๐ฆ
sweet summit
pog
jagged pier
The dude can play
signal plover
no homosapien
autumn pendant
I never bullied anyone , i just disagreed with statement ๐ฆ
signal plover
Frickin zoomer bullies
autumn pendant
Thats erga
sweet summit
signal plover
I swear tho if I read the words "old school tank" in here one more time I'm gonna tilt
still pagoda
signal plover
Ya either play the current pwarr well or ya don't
signal plover
And at any point in wow's timeline
autumn pendant
I swear tho if I read the words "old school tank" in here one more time I'm gonn...
ikr
signal plover
Like we were all shit in vanilla let's be honest
sweet summit
cant be shit if you didnt play right
signal plover
Fair
halcyon shard
I prefer old school tanks, Legion was my favorite old school tank meta!
jagged pier
but we spamming SS back then
halcyon shard
I will take my leave
signal plover
But man I think back to how I played back then and I just know I was bad (but also somehow good enough for MT)
halcyon shard
Lmao
autumn pendant
Today is protection day
signal plover
We are under attac
halcyon shard
Every since #arms #fury and #223972896219856896 had that meltdown I am waiting for you guys to follow up
sweet summit
apes being apes
halcyon shard
A bunch of stuff, was fun
signal plover
Fury chat has always been a little...reckless...
sweet summit
still pagoda
signal plover
You love it
(plznomute)
Come bully me on stream on Tuesday. I stream when EU is asleep and all NA is raiding. Huge viewership including my mom and aunt.
sweet summit
when in CET
still pagoda
sweet summit
ill nuke my sleep schedule to watch
jagged pier
i would watch but i will be alseep and a no sleep jakey is a very very angry jakey
sweet summit
oh thats not too bad
signal plover
I have pupper cam
sweet summit
POGPOGPOPGOPOGPOGPOG
signal plover
autumn pendant
Every since <#148898720803586048> <#148898695696482305> and <#2239728962198568...
Thats like weekly occurence
sweet summit
jagged pier
brittle owl
shut summit
autumn pendant
sick sentinel
brittle owl
๐ช๐
still pagoda
kindred raptor
So if the goal is to be more survivable in raid, the consensus is that necrolord is not much better than venthyr?
delicate thorn
consensus is that necrolord has better transmog, and by consensus I mean I think so
brittle owl
and by better transmog he means utter trash mog
plush tendon
and by better transmog he means utter trash mog
FALSE
delicate thorn
and by better transmog he means utter trash mog
I'm gonna tell the primus you said that
plush tendon
Necro mog all de way
plush tendon
Ive done extensive study on this subject and have a PHD in good taste. Plate mogs go Necro>Venthyr>NF>Lamppost
autumn pendant
Lampost killed me
plush tendon
NF does get a * cause the tree look is unique, but it cant compete with Necro and Venthyr
delicate thorn
my warrior is male undead, the necro mog is amazing
delicate thorn
too bad necro mog looks like dry playdough
Objection ๐งโโ๏ธ
delicate thorn
overruled is the proper term
neat lagoon
Feelings about the CN plate?
delicate thorn
lawyered
plush tendon
CN Plate is good.... wish i had a single piece from the mythic set -_-
on Mythic SLG, still 0-9
delicate thorn
@brittle owl I wear this on my priest sometimes for warhammer vibes: https://www.wowhead.com/transmog-set=2192/vestments-of-the-purifier-mythic-recolor
lots of seals
signal plover
๐ฆญ
wanton condor
I love the CN plate chest + falds, rest is kind of bad
regal quartz
hey when do I need to cast spell reflect to not be lifted in the air by blood price on sire?
plush tendon
why wouldnt you want to go up though?
regal quartz
I tried it right before his cast went off and that's not it, but ive done it
regal quartz
well you do 10k to him roughly lol
plush tendon
O:
plush tendon
wurf
I dont raid on my war.... yet
waiting for our arms war to get his shaman geared (hes close) so our RL will finally crumble under the pressure and drop that useless spec XD
modern brook
on Mythic SLG, still 0-9
pog
signal plover
I need shoulders and chest.
Like 7 fuckin hungering kills before they changed loot
And nothin to show
hollow silo
Hungering shoulders so rare I don't think my guild seen one drop
signal plover
We had 5 plate wearers and 0 drops across those kills
Actually maybe 1 on a DK alt lol
languid flower
hey when do I need to cast spell reflect to not be lifted in the air by blood pr...
You can't stop the forcechoke, you can just reflect the damage. You'll have to charge back in whether you reflect or not.
regal quartz
So what did I do that kept me from being forcechoked because it's happened randomly once or twice
signal pulsar
zero stacks? I've done it randomly on lfr before. He doesn't forcechoke you if you no longer have the debuff.
regal quartz
thats probably what it was
plush tendon
My DK refutes your point
languid flower
Oh snap, I didn't know 0 stacks prevented the forcechoke. Neat!
plush tendon
I play War and DK XD
leave me a alone
and I dabble in the DH and Paladin
sometimes I get on my new cocaine bear
still pagoda
<@!408281070409351168> I wear this on my priest sometimes for warhammer vibes: h...
that set still delivers despite being almost 3 years old
one of my favourite cloth sets
chilly brook
Late af response. Nah, sub 10% wipes last night. Looking like Tuesday for kill.
Nice dude good luck
signal plover
chilly brook
I feel like I actually take so much more damage on this fight than normal
Could possibly be because the way we're doing intermissions I have kaal and commandos until I hit 2 stacks/5 commandos and then we swap
plush tendon
rough
gotta find a Blood DK to solo tank Kaal for you
gets free resets without getting stunned with AMS and Icebound
signal plover
Yeah our vdh does kaal
elfin nova
Any tank can solo kaal
signal plover
I just zoom around with reprisal
elfin nova
You're never gonna die during the stun
signal plover
Yeh
signal plover
We're doing it this way so I can aoe taunt for INT1 for commando burn
elfin nova
I did slg on my warrior this week actually felt stupidly safe compared to vdh
chilly brook
At least when you cheese the mechanic by having people run it out and gripped back in
elfin nova
It's just all melee damage
Oh i mean that will kill you lol but that's not what i meant
chilly brook
gotta find a Blood DK to solo tank Kaal for you
My cotank is a blood dk
elfin nova
You can't solo soak the meteor no but you also shouldn't need to unless you're doing a scuffed strat
plush tendon
My cotank is a blood dk
Wait... so why even hold Kaal at all there?
chilly brook
Idk because he didnt want to get more than 2 stacks or something
plush tendon
pussy
elfin nova
I just meant you shouldn't need to be a dk to "solo tank kaal" as it seemed implied dk was needed for that just in normal p1 or w/e
elfin nova
You can wear pvp trinket
chilly brook
signal plover
Deaths there are usually due to bad goliath overlaps tho
chilly brook
That sounds pretty bad
elfin nova
Our disc priest did it on progress
elfin nova
Because he gripped if it was on someone else
signal plover
Yeh
elfin nova
If it was on him he trinket
chilly brook
Deaths there are usually due to bad goliath overlaps tho
Soul taint sucks ass
signal plover
We're just playing the odds on that and burning a brez
Just call externals imo
Even our vdh calls PS for the intermission goliath taint
mighty cairn
we have rshams running APT for that overlap
during 2nd intermission are you having 1 tank hold goliath and the other tank doing graashal + commandos?
signal plover
At the start yeah
chilly brook
Even our vdh calls PS for the intermission goliath taint
I literally burn everything on that
chilly brook
Rally before it goes out last stand at 30%->shield wall then PS if I need it after
mighty cairn
yeah we just started progging int 2 yesterday but we haven't learned the push timings yet
so commandos are randomly blowing up
elfin nova
How long is that goliath alive
elfin nova
That sounds like a long time
chilly brook
But we also were rotating the bench in so we won't need to get people up to speed
If we have call outs
sturdy sable
That sounds like increase prog time for no reason
sturdy sable
P2 or intermission 2?
elfin nova
Changing who soaks in p2 every raid doesn't sound like something y'all want
elfin nova
But if it's two or three people swapping around it doesn't really matter
elfin nova
But yeah if you're tanking with a blood dk he can reset during the intermission on the crystallise that doesn't get soaked
signal plover
Imagine having a 25 man roster
We NA alliance lol. Recruiting messages are fun to send
chilly brook
I had a funny question last night
elfin nova
All I'm saying is my warrior has 3 mythic vaults next week so i better get me a shield or some legs
chilly brook
"Hey is there anything you could do itemization wise or something for survival? I see you're parsing for damage I'm just wondering"
still pagoda
We NA alliance lol. Recruiting messages are fun to send
sounds just like RU/EU alliance rn
and in BfA
and in Legion
signal plover
Kek
still pagoda
sitting there for hours sending recruiting message into trade chat
chilly brook
Korayn/Aftershock just means naturally high damage on that fight
still pagoda
and checking wowprog
signal plover
I'm talking discord DMs
Tons of effort to get hit with a "nah not interested in alliance"
still pagoda
RU servers never had any guild recruitment/M+ group discords of proper size
signal plover
To which my only response can be "yeah man I get it"
still pagoda
honestly
chilly brook
I wouldn't mind being alliance
still pagoda
moving to EU horde was the best decision so far
chilly brook
If I knew that the guild was the place for me
still pagoda
literally saved my ass and gave me a chance at CE last tier
signal plover
We've gotten a couple
But down to 22
It's just rough to attract anyone while extending on SLG
So just trying to hunker down for CE
chilly brook
The problem is that it's just a risk cuz I cant raid with you without committing and its gonna be like $50 instead of $20
still pagoda
meanwhile i'm just running M0's on my pala and getting all the gear and renown i can
chrome siren
pretty general question, anyone have recommendations for how to get into raiding? Newish player and am in a guild with friends who arn't as addicted as I am right now lol
chilly brook
Like you've never raided period? Not even normal?
chilly brook
Then my recommendation would be find a heroic guild
sick sentinel
I'm a necrolord warrior that was previously kyrian, why or why shouldn't i switch back to kyrian
chilly brook
Theres a lot of heroic guilds that are looking for people
amber herald
I'm a necrolord warrior that was previously kyrian, why or why shouldn't i switc...
boobs
chilly brook
They're usually a lot more laid back environments
chrome siren
Theres a lot of heroic guilds that are looking for people
thanks, appreciate it
chrome siren
They're usually a lot more laid back environments
yeah that is something that I would want. Nothing high pressure. and being a tank, I don't want to f it up for the whole raid.
edgy jay
hey guys, quick question.
I've juste started tanking with my Prot War and I was wondering how much I should use Execute (mostly in m+)
amber herald
noice
chilly brook
And they give you plenty of room to learn, when you get comfortable start pushing your own performance and maybe look into an early boss mythic prog guild
chrome siren
And they give you plenty of room to learn, when you get comfortable start pushin...
thanks!!
chilly brook
hey guys, quick question.
I've juste started tanking with my Prot War and I was ...
In 2 targets or less and or bosses
plush tendon
Watching Andybrew play his prot and I hear "Wait, dont you need phial as Prot." "Well, NF does so much damage on Prot"
amber herald
is he still using heavy repercussions?
plush tendon
No clue; someone made a meme about it though XD just now
but im at work, got a burrito for lunch, so time to watch Twitch ๐
amber herald
makes me want to try it
mighty cairn
even at this point in the tier is 4 heal m slg completely troll or doable
brittle owl
depends on your healer if it's trolling or not
plush tendon
totally doable
shrewd elm
Dont know if it is been asked before but on the PTR is kyrian still our go to covenant ?
plush tendon
I think Max Limit talked about it where its a 4-5 heal fight, but obviously extra damage isnt always needed since its a control fight
light thicket
makes me want to try it
HR? Or the burrito?
brittle owl
i wouldn't do it if i was iffy about any one healer though
plush tendon
Dont know if it is been asked before but on the PTR is kyrian still our go to co...
itll probably be slightly dependent on what DPS are doing since we do have options
languid flower
pretty general question, anyone have recommendations for how to get into raiding...
Running Looking for Raid will at least get you familiar with how CN looks, even if you don't learn anything about the fights.
amber herald
HR
languid flower
They're chock full of people who completely ignore mechanics
brittle owl
join a guild
languid flower
but some experience ahead of raidnight for your guild is better than no experience, imo
languid flower
^
plush tendon
Herioc and lowerend mythic guilds just need people
languid flower
You can also go the pug route until you find a guild as well
I've found my current guild just by pugging into them
plush tendon
too many people trying to play wow like its LoL solo que and it just aint the way
brittle owl
^
pugging is an awful way of experiencing raiding
esp as a newcomer
take to reddit and the wow realm forums(no meme) and just apply away
or recruitment channels in various wow discs
languid flower
I just hate trying to find a guild
Like WoW is already enough of a job, do I really need to apply like I need another one?
plush tendon
Yes
still pagoda
I just hate trying to find a guild
you will hate it but you have to do it if you're to have some good time with the game
like
it's not like a job
plush tendon
Networking important
still pagoda
brittle owl
the only iffy thing is if you wanna get CE, and even then, worst case scenario you have to have a schedule
anything else is just fire up whenever and basically yolo
maybe do chores for 1-2 hours
chrome siren
thanks for all the information! Appreciate it.
still pagoda
the only iffy thing is if you wanna get CE, and even then, worst case scenario y...
worst case scenario it will take quite a while to slowly but surely work out from being in a normal/heroic guild to CE level(that also has good community. Most mythic guilds are trash in that department)
it took me 4 years from the time i started raiding in EN to my first CE last tier
still pagoda
that's a yikes
i didn't think of CE or mythic raiding for real until Antorus, + took few breaks and had almost gotten CE on G'huun
brittle owl
when i got bored of memeing in a heroic only guild i just joined a 2 day myth guild and got ce that tier
brittle owl
being a weeb in russia must be rough
plush tendon
still pagoda
not about that. RU WoW community is a proper trashcan
plush tendon
Are you Russian or do certain EU nations play on Russian servers?
still pagoda
Are you Russian or do certain EU nations play on Russian servers?
I'm a Russian playing on EU
still pagoda
moved from EU(RU)-Gordunni to Kazzak back in April of 2020
tbf, guilds dying every single tier i played until the last one left quite an imprint
plush tendon
I think its important to find a guild that just doesnt play wow
still pagoda
you basically get stuck with no possibility to progress for the rest of the tier
plush tendon
we have a good eb and flow of players who come and go, but also play other games with the bois while not playing wow
still pagoda
or, if you were like me at the start of SL, you're done for and can just quit
plush tendon
unlucky : ^)
still pagoda
my luck with guilds and raiding ends the moment it starts
still pagoda
unlucky : ^)
being stuck without a guild because you got kicked out of the one 1 day before heroic week "because prot warrior" is nowhere pleasant
warped mulch
Finding a good guild if you only play tank is rough. Proper mythic guilds usually have a pretty solid tank situation with multiple people interested in stepping up tanking if the opportunity arises. Finding an ok heroic guild isn't to bad though.
plush tendon
Finding a good guild if you only play tank is rough. Proper mythic guilds usuall...
Youd be surprised, our guild has a tendency to run a tank out every tier. Ive lasted 6 tiers so far though ๐
still pagoda
just as being told that you're replaced by "bis tank" instead of going around and approaching you to fix inconsistencies, as time between then and release of the next tier allows, is nowhere pleasant too
plush tendon
Its everyone else who leaves
plush tendon
just as being told that you're replaced by "bis tank" instead of going around an...
So they brought a Arms and Fury War for Battleshout I guess?
dumbasses XD
warped mulch
Funny enough warrior was kind of BIS tank because dps warrior was so bad at the beginning and having battleshout and RC is kind of good
Course if you arenโt getting to the last mythic boss before the first nerf it probably isnโt because someone is playing a B tier tank well instead of an A tier tank well
wanton condor
if a guild is trying to micromange the tank situation for something other than raid buffs you likely don't want to raid with them
still pagoda
So they brought a Arms and Fury War for Battleshout I guess?
by "bis tank" in that situation was another player. I basically went through a streak of getting yeeted from the spot/guild for various reasons, including being replaced by a dude who was a DPS in the raid for all that time but had tank rio score higher than both me and my co-tank, getting kicked for "stirring up the drama" because i just approached officers about doing something with the other tank, from who's logs even Panthea lost words, or getting kicked just because i'm playing a prot warrior 1 day before the heroic week.
From guilds I'm in dying every single tier on RU alli to this shit on EU horde, great run so far, fucking great
i got stuck with no possibility to find a guild or a push group at the start of SL due to all of that
and of course due to playing pwarri
now i've just returned to the game, got back onto Kazzak from Draenor and detoxing by playing holy pala instead
shy cobalt
My guild is encouraging me to reroll as warrior for next tier. Which Iโm excited about!
plush tendon
Yea, thats pretty rough
inland raft
My war has essentially become my main even though i still tell people im a havoc main
languid flower
havoc warrior, interesting...
shy cobalt
Iโm surprised more arenโt rolling prot war honestly. 9.0.5 was a big help. Itโs looking to be pretty strong moving forward.
languid flower
I guess that's where you take leaper and arden covenannt and just leap/dash everywhere, causing total chaos and... havoc?
inland raft
I just hate pugging and noone in my friend group tanks and i dislike vengeance so here i am
strong forum
Iโm surprised more arenโt rolling prot war honestly. 9.0.5 was a big help. Itโs ...
its just not a popular tank
wanton condor
most people don't roll new tanks unless they're pushing keys, and VDH is still generally considered king there
strong forum
even when its good, unless its absolutely necessary for X thing, its not gonna see alot of play
wanton condor
rolling a new tank for raids is madness
inland raft
I find warrior to be one of most fun tanks personally
languid flower
yeah, VDH will be king until they kill its kiting ability (if they ever do)
shy cobalt
I usually always have one of each tank.
inland raft
Dk more fun imo but then your playing a dk
shy cobalt
Once dk can equip 2 legos you might see more bloods.
still pagoda
Yea, thats pretty rough
at least the guild where the officer, by his sole decision(funnily enough, my co-tank, who is also an officer in the guild, didn't know about that until i approach him with "why exaclty?" the next morning), decided to go on with the "bis tank", still remembers me well, so i kind of have the chance of smooth return into both raiding and high key pushing, except probably not as a tank unless i just go out of my way and don't take the mandatory detox on a different role and class
warped mulch
Ew, rerolling tank spec for any reason other than A- your tank is now the worst by far and your CE guild needs better performance or B- you really need blood DK grips for a fight. That sounds disgusting
inland raft
Any reason other then your tank is a bad player is a warning sign
still pagoda
^
wanton condor
the main reason I'd see a tank swap in raid is because of a hyper specific utility (such as grips like you said) or that you lose a dps raidbuff
shy cobalt
By the looks of it as we gear this next tier at this rate, prot war could easily catch up to dh maybe even pass possibly.
strong forum
only reason for a tankswap is when 1 tank quits or the player itself is bad
warped mulch
I mean me personally going from warrior to something else next tier
wanton condor
like your bear might swap to Prot if your Arms warrior gets hit by a truck and you don't have one on the bench
inland raft
Unless you are part of race to world first you can def find ways to get utilt beaides tank (tanks should atill be willing to swap classes as needed though)
strong forum
the need to swap tank class for raiding is so SO tiny
people overexaggerate it
beyond unreasonable amounts
median tulip
Bleeding Edge World First obsessives are not, as a rule, actually a very good model for the rest of us to follow
wanton condor
as tanks are the least important class by far in a raid environment in terms of what any given tank brings or needs
but in general unless you're racing it really should not matter
inland raft
Exactly
Unless your tank as a player is bad theres no reason to change for most guilds
warped mulch
Karton, I really wouldnโt go back to that guild unless all the officers except maybe your friend officer are gone. Sounds like leadership over there is incompetent the way they treated you.
wanton condor
if your tank has a pulse, shows up on time, and hits Taunt when the dbm tells him to they're good enough
inland raft
But then why did tou ever have a bad player in tank spot would be the question
wanton condor
hell, you can have a bad player in a tank spot, just not an absolute garbage tier player
inland raft
Since so easy to raid tank they would have to be especially bad
warped mulch
They can be garbage at playing their class and have dumb gearing, but they still need to be OK at mechanics or you never kill a boss like Sire.
wanton condor
just make them turn up the dbm volume and you'll often be fine
inland raft
Ya tank spot is honestly best spot for your bad plauers on roster imo
As long as they follow audio cues and stand in right place
median tulip
I'm not entirely sure I agree with all that. Healers certainly notice bad tanks.
inland raft
Dbm or bigwigs, though dbm will be more in your face about it, will tell you when yo taunt and when to use a defensive
Just follow the screaming addon to victory
signal plover
Don't worry, ppl love to dump on raid tanking in here for some reason
warped mulch
I mean normal and most of heroic tanking is kind of a joke in terms doing the minimum to kill the boss
strong forum
ive found dpsing in raids 20x easier than raid tanking
but i guess im built different
warped mulch
Rotations for DPS is actually....kind of complicated sometimes
languid flower
I definitely think dpsing is easier than tanking, but there's more dps'ers in a raid, so you have more people to compare to
warped mulch
I mean, I get to press shield slam, thunderclap, and revenge and be considered good damage
signal plover
I wasn't rly even considering normal/heroic for the discussion
Since there it's usually just an effort/knowledge thing.
chilly brook
if your tank has a pulse, shows up on time, and hits Taunt when the dbm tells hi...
Personally I really disagree with this
signal plover
In mythic, especially later bosses, the difference between a good consistent tank and one doing the bare minimum is night and day
warped mulch
Mythic doesnโt have hardly any room for someone to be a bad player.
chilly brook
I hate the mentality that allows for bad tanks to continue to hold slots
inland raft
At end of day the difficulty of raid isnt on personal skill too much but rather getting 20 people on the same page and a good raid leader
wanton condor
if Blizz would actually make enough mechanics for one tank, let alone two it might be less of a dump slot
inland raft
Personal skill plays a part font get me wrong but the coordination of 20 is the real difficulty
signal plover
Because it's not rly even about your damage done/taken (although optimizing that per fight makes a big difference), it's about setting everyone else on the team up for success
chilly brook
Its only a dump slot because the community has allowed it to be one
wanton condor
it's a dump slot because there's fundamentally not enough for tanks to optimize to really show much difference between anything but the smoothest of smooth brains and the rest
signal plover
That's not true at all imo
chilly brook
That's not even remotely true
wanton condor
it is, it's just that because so many people who can't cut it elsewhere go to tank it magnifies the differences
balmy coral
When I tank +15s: I'm top dps
When I dps +15s: the pally tank dies in 2 GCDs...
I guess I should just give up?
signal plover
What
wanton condor
m+ shows this because it lets tanks show off more and you can really see the difference in a good vs a bad tank
chilly brook
This is the kinda logic that we dont accept from healers who say "I'm a healer I dont need to dps" anymore @wanton condor
inland raft
Did you live without placing too large of a unnecessary burden on heals and do mechanics is the bar for a tank, healers and dps have more points of comparison to be looked at that can result in their replacement
wanton condor
This is the kinda logic that we dont accept from healers who say "I'm a healer I...
the problem is that the difference between a tank that only focuses on not dying and doing the mechanic vs a tank that optimizes their DPS simply is not that big
signal plover
Good raid tanks bring consistency in damage mitigated, damage done and positioning/pacing. It's just not obvious.
wanton condor
basically all of that is learned within a few pulls
set up your timers and half of it is done for you
still pagoda
When I tank +15s: I'm top dps
When I dps +15s: the pally tank dies in 2 GCDs...
...
that shows that you've got a terrible paly tank
good paly tank can do wonders
signal plover
That's an oversimplification but in a sense true
inland raft
Good pally tank will make your dps wonder why they rolled dps
signal plover
The tanks are typically done learning the fight before everyone else, but they kind of have to be
wanton condor
the big value in a good tank is that they learn it all in less pulls, so the dps don't need to worry about mistakes so they can learn faster
sonic tangle
I've tanked with some shitass tanks. They can show up and press taunt but if they can't even play their class properly then they're nothing but wasted time and wasted healing
signal plover
Not to mention if they don't communicate well or listen/offer counterpoints for suggestions.
wanton condor
that's just not being an asshole imo
signal plover
I mean
wanton condor
and yeah, I've definitely raided with that sort of asshole
vocal bison
I would say prot warriors and paladins are easier to notice compared to other tanks if they are being played competently or not.
feral gale
well yeah a pwar is a prevention tank not a reactive one
sonic tangle
I tanked with a brewmaster that hit kegsmash like 13 times on progression fights
feral gale
if you press shield wall in response to damage you're doing it wrong
balmy coral
that shows that you've got a terrible paly tank
I've had 12 keys burned by prot pallies this week...
wanton condor
in a vacuum yeah, you should plot out your CDs, but there are times where I suddenly start to get chunked because a healer bit it to a swirly so it's emergency shield wall time
feral gale
if you're speaking in raid sigma you should basically have all your cd's mapped
wanton condor
right, they should be plotted out
but better spend it now because someone else fucked up than get a wipe
feral gale
speaking of which oh my god how do you live past a grashaal 3rd punch on SLG mythic? it half hp's me with SW up
i just resolve by making my bear take all the stacks lol
amber herald
prot palas kinda squishy right now
wanton condor
prot pally is surprisingly tough
feral gale
i think a lot of prot pals build their stats incorrectly rn, they go for warrior haste/vers when they should be investing in mastery past like 20% hasteish
wanton condor
to play that is
feral gale
the dr from consecration is actually large since their native armor is low without sotr up
side complaint/discussion, you guys see the change to pvp items in 9.1? haste/vers gear is going to be even more rare for us ๐ฆ unless blizz gets their act together with plate itemization
wanton condor
my grumble opinion is that they should just do away with verse and make the main stat -> DR trait stronger
make it the pvp stat
vocal bison
i personally have never loved a gearing system better than it is currently, as kyrian i have one set of 226 ilvl haste/verse that gets me pumping in pvp as arms, pve as prot and pve as fury, it's great
inland raft
I mean haste vers for everyone is hard to come by with pvp gear nerfs
vocal bison
not looking forward to grinding multiple sets of high level gear for different specs again
hot pasture
warped mulch
Switch vers back to res on PvP and give tanks defense again
still pagoda
Just delete vers from the game or make it pvp only
yes pls. It's also a facilitator of all the "should i gear vers?" memes
kill it already
still pagoda
no it didn't
plush tendon
Wait, so for my weekly 15 how much vers should I have
still pagoda
people are still dumb enough to think that vers matters
sturdy sable
Vers is just bonus armour with damage scaling
strong forum
people still think having 10% DR is gonna be mandatory
wanton condor
my super grognard take is remove substat, ilvl only, final destinination
plush tendon
lots of people ask how much of X stat you need
strong forum
alot of people come in here, on a daily basis asking if their vers is too low
plush tendon
and the answer is always the same
sturdy sable
More of every thing
strong forum
and then i tell them
sturdy sable
That's how much you need
strong forum
"10% dmg reduction is gonna make you magically live"
and they go
"if you put it like that..."
warped mulch
Did they not read the guide section saying just get all the stats you can for prot?
jagged pier
guy earlier saying he felt squishy and +10s and was wonder if it was his 5% vers that was the issue
๐ค
strong forum
people legit dont think about how little DR you get out of vers
oblique garnet
I feel like if you ask โIs my vers high enoughโ the answer is probably not
sturdy sable
Yeah cause that hit I didn't block that hits me for 50k unmitigated is totally gonna be survivable at 45k....
jagged pier
still pagoda
strong forum
like, going from 10% vers to 30% vers, makes you only take 10% less dmg, but you have to commit SO MANY STATS to get there
people dont think about that at all
if you have perfect gear, sure go ahead
its good
but before that lmao play better
jagged pier
99%
sturdy sable
Lmao
sturdy sable
Clearly
jagged pier
100% actually, cuz nerf is doing 25s with only 17% vers
IMPOSSIBLE IVE BEEN TOLD U NEED VERS FOR THAT
sweet summit
@autumn pendant
still pagoda
sweet summit
horde when
sturdy sable
People know tank classes have skills that mitigate damage right
Like Vers isn't the main thing lol
sturdy sable
Shit your right
silk edge
I wish i could play kul tirans while being horde
autumn pendant
I dunno
still pagoda
pressing buttons is hard
warped mulch
That is crazy talk dos. If I canโt face tank 2 packs in a +10 without hitting any buttons then I need more vers...clearly
autumn pendant
maybe never
sweet summit
sweet summit
:(
feral gale
but I stack vers so I can deal more damage and ask dps why their dam is so low in keys
plush tendon
stack crit
sturdy sable
Stack crit
plush tendon
if you want to do that
jagged pier
you would do more damage with crit and haste
warped mulch
Vers/crit gear only
still pagoda
S T A C K. M O R E. H A S T E.
strong forum
crit mastery only, block comes from reprisal and anime emitter
still pagoda
vocal bison
**fuck** fury
fury is so much fun this week, i took a break from tanking keys this week to run as fury and it freaking shreds
feral gale
it was a meme response guys lol
strong forum
the gentlemans stats
vocal bison
only thing that stinks is spiteful kind of supresses your big boy numbers on the charts this week
strong forum
become the bullshit tank
feral gale
nom you act like anime emitter exists for me
autumn pendant
**fuck** fury
love you too cloud
feral gale
im in the wrong timeline
feral gale
ree
oblique garnet
@strong forum this vers argument is legit bfa all over again
still pagoda
become the bullshit tank
I'm healing this
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> this vers argument is legit bfa all over again
really is... and its saddening
still pagoda
<@192743144276623360> this vers argument is legit bfa all over again
well, this shit is everlasting now
feral gale
fat p a r r y
still pagoda
unironically
oblique garnet
I had 3% vers and tanked 23-24s but yeah gotta have full vers amps to live anything
still pagoda
FAT DMG
strong forum
I had 3% vers and tanked 23-24s but yeah gotta have full vers amps to live anyth...
yo same
vocal bison
is there a verse argument? it just seems like people railing against imaginary people that actually have the ability to and are stacking max verse solely for tanking, are there actually people out there doing it?
strong forum
TD gang
still pagoda
I had 3% vers and tanked 23-24s but yeah gotta have full vers amps to live anyth...
same bruh
oblique garnet
is there a verse argument? it just seems like people railing against imaginary p...
Yes
still pagoda
full TD, 22's and 23's at total leisure
strong forum
is there a verse argument? it just seems like people railing against imaginary p...
dumb people spouting WF keys gearing arguments
feral gale
i almost forgot about twilight devastation
oblique garnet
I did however have 27% leech
sweet summit
fucking love leech
feral gale
TD: turning greys into purple parses overnight
strong forum
it [vers] is a good stat, but people give it WAAY too much credit
still pagoda
dumb people spouting WF keys gearing arguments
funnily enough, same shit is now with venthyr holy pala. Dumb people don't read guides by the same top players and just think that you must go venthyr no matter what "cuz that's what is played in +26 keys"
sturdy sable
I view Vers a safe stat
still pagoda
despite the same +26 keys being cleared by kyrian hpalas with no issues
strong forum
leech gang
sturdy sable
It's not gonna hurt me to have but it's not gonna save me either
plush tendon
despite the same +26 keys being cleared by kyrian hpalas with no issues
despite Ellesmere doing 25s on a 213 Kyiran Hpal XD
feral gale
funnily enough, same shit is now with venthyr holy pala. Dumb people don't read ...
usually its like "goes venthyr paladin, uses AH 2x in a key, complains it sucks"
strong forum
funnily enough, same shit is now with venthyr holy pala. Dumb people don't read ...
kyrian is more healing, venthyr deletes bosses and prides
thats about it
venthyr hpal doesnt have healing outside of wings and requires a good group
feral gale
'also uses it on worthless throwaway pulls' forgot that bit
strong forum
kyrian has consistent group topping spell
vocal bison
I run roughly 27-32% verse depending on what pieces i swap for what i'm tanking, but it's because i'm lazy and i use my pvp gear to tank since my guild doesn't mythic raid
still pagoda
kyrian is more healing, venthyr deletes bosses and prides
also specific change in planning, but that's about it. Kyrian gives you easier time healing and can also contribute to aoe dps, while venthyr requires highly coordinated group to make it worth
strong forum
pmuch
vocal bison
would much rather be high haste
feral gale
thats a fuck ton of vers dude, does your shield block even recharge
still pagoda
there is never enough dakka, there is never enough WAAAGH
strong forum
we bullied our raid hpal into venthyr cuz its very easy to play around and it can cover certain things very well, and the DPS obv is amazing help
vocal bison
i run reprisal
32% verse 226 ilvl gear over high haste 220 and lower ilvl gear, it's just what i have access to
as i get more conquest i've been getting more 226 gear with haste to swap out
still pagoda
we bullied our raid hpal into venthyr cuz its very easy to play around and it ca...
well, that's for raids. In M+(and in raids at that rate, just requires different planning, same as M+), both are great at performance and used by different palas in WF keys
strong forum
absolutely
wanton condor
vethyr hpal is nice to have as a tank if you can plot it out, know you can pull big here or you can burst down the pride/boss there
strong forum
32% verse 226 ilvl gear over high haste 220 and lower ilvl gear, it's just what ...
gotta do what you gotta do
but people preaching vers and so on is just...
wanton condor
but my main hpal is kyrian and I kind of prefer it, more smooth overall
(as in they're kyrian, I don't heal)
feral gale
tank? divine toll first avenger interaction is legit