protection

[oblique garnet]

Nothing : )

Tilted your guildies

Other than that not much

[gaunt dawn]

😦

tilting hunk and nameless dont count

you can tilt them by breathing in their direction

[oblique garnet]

Hunk is fine

Nameless tho : ))

[errant oriole]

soo I just have to say... prot warrior is the best tank ever! SO much fun!

[ionic fern]

👍

[still pagoda]

You're welcome

[gaunt dawn]

you have @ionic fern to thank for that

[sweet summit]

thank u @ionic fern

[ionic fern]

<- confused.

But you're welcome?

[sullen valve]

Thanks Mwahi!

[crisp dragon]

Does anyone know why my world ranking doesnt go up or down anymore?

[sweet summit]

your what where

[crisp dragon]

On Warcraft logs, sorry, should've specific

[sweet summit]

all star points?

[crisp dragon]

Yes sir

[sweet summit]

it only updates once a day

might just have to wait a bit

[crisp dragon]

Ive been on SLG for 4 weeks, finally downed it, in that time I should have lost some rankings, but I havent

And I calculated it after my sludge kill, I should have moved far up, it's been stuck on 151 for 6-7 weeks

[sweet summit]

o thats weird

[jagged pier]

dont forget the patch has rolled in

so it splits it up, if you looking overall over the 2 patches

may not update

[crisp dragon]

Ahh, that could be a good point @jagged pier So since I havent killed any other bosses than sludge and SLG past that patch, Im probably more like WR 1000

[sweet summit]

if u keep having issues ill just dump this here https://discord.gg/5c6cyu7e

[crisp dragon]

Thanks ❤️ but I do think @jagged pier Was right, big sadge

[sweet summit]

just kill sire and reclear

[jagged pier]

well thats the plan

XD

[crisp dragon]

We had an hour on it yesterday, I already hate P1, hitboxes this raid has been terrible

[sweet summit]

p1 is giga boring

p2 is alright

p3 owns

i love p3

so much execute

[crisp dragon]

I just hate the teleporting, couldnt he at least teleport infront of me instead of behind me

[sweet summit]

you can game it

by facing your back to where he is

as he is tping

so he tps infront of u

[crisp dragon]

Ye, it's a good point

whenever our DH taunts him, he just walks slowly to him

[sweet summit]

ye iirc we also had some issues with sire not TPing when our DH was taking him

weird

[jagged pier]

yer thats the same with ours as well

he never tps to the dh

[crisp dragon]

So p1 is just so BS because nothing is consistent yet

How far are you @jagged pier and how mnay weeks, just so I know what to expect

[jagged pier]

im still on SLG

[crisp dragon]

We love Skirmies

[jagged pier]

but on hc sire has never tp'd to the dh

[brittle owl]

double dick donnie should be a 4-6 raid night prog

[jagged pier]

well we are getting into phase 3now

so probs kill it on sunday

hopefully

then less than 100 wipes on sire is what ive heard

[crisp dragon]

Yeah, a few p3 on SLG and its kill

[jagged pier]

[crisp dragon]

How are u doing p2.5? Our intermissions have been so smooth and consistent since we changed tact yesterday

[jagged pier]

still working on it sort of rng

[crisp dragon]

The shortest I can explain it in

1 keeps goliath, other keeps everything else, kill goliath, wait for soak, nuke the 5-6-7 Adds and go to dunk town

[jagged pier]

yer thats what we do

or try

but we havent been there often so we get like an eruption in the wrng place or somthing

[crisp dragon]

It all depends if u can stagger some of the orbs u pick up

It's a bitch of a boss, Im happy I joined a guild with already 150 pulls or so in

So I have less than 100

[jagged pier]

good for u

we are close to 200 now

so hopefully close to a kill

[crisp dragon]

Then you should be getting it soon as well

[jagged pier]

i just want SLG to end / progress this hasnt been a fun raid for tanks

or well for us at least as our dps want to care about logs and not do mechanics

so im basically sat there waiting for them to do mechanics

[crisp dragon]

It's been very boring

And that's so true, half the time I spend waiting for people to do something so we can phase

[jagged pier]

the worst was artifcer, like we were doing good till artifcier

like dps have to finish that cast and get trapped

or not look under their feet and get trapped

[crisp dragon]

yeah that happened quite a bit with my old guild as well

[jagged pier]

dont face away towards the portal so the ghost swaps inbetween the and the protal

had to finish the cast so got kill by the blue circle

[crisp dragon]

All that fight was for tanks was a little bit of movement, and leap away charge back

[jagged pier]

like my cotank/gm was like please stop the tanks are literally so bored we are fucking up because we are legit doing somthing else during the pulls

[crisp dragon]

[jagged pier]

and then every week on reclear it was the same

[crisp dragon]

Luckily we killed it in 1 night

[jagged pier]

like artifcer is the reason we are doing so bad this tier becuase OMG its a dps boss i must dps and not do mechanics

and a little bit of we arent gunna kill the boss tonight im not gunna try on like council and sludge

increased our prog time by a few nights

[crisp dragon]

It's such an exponential curve, bad people are really bad

[jagged pier]

we arent bad tho

just ppl seem to care about there not getting PI

over them not doing mechanics

[crisp dragon]

Let's cut the discussions short, PI the tanks :pog:

[jagged pier]

thats what i said

as then the dps dont need to care about it

🤷

[cold zealot]

It is a known issue. No statement from blizzard so far. Taunt is working inconsistent on sire and his teleport.

[jagged pier]

like we were about world 500ish last expansion now world 2000ish because we cant do mechanics, its happened before hopefully fixed next tier, like the teams not bad, just every tier now and then they seem to forget that mechanics are thing and have to be done every pull

[crisp dragon]

Classic multiple dollar company moments

[cold zealot]

Small indie companie btw

[crisp dragon]

Im on WR around 100 team 2 guild, so we also have good help from the first team

Promote me pliz, i wna b gud

[jagged pier]

well luck for some i guess

but as long as i get CE i dont really care

which we are still likely to get

and tbh i shouldnt be bitching to much like seems the guys heads are getting screwed back on now we ar on the last 2 bosses

and prog is going as fast as it should be

instead of not at all

[crisp dragon]

Honestly after killing SLG I feel like we've done the impossible, Sire should be more fun and also be less raid nights

[jagged pier]

yer hopefully will be like that, im just sad that SLG is like this, lik eit could have been a really fun fight but its just not

[crisp dragon]

It's all the "stop dps" long intermissions, it just creates an unfun fight

[jagged pier]

and the rng in stuff, i know its less now

but its still more than enough

[proper pecan]

Doesnt this looks a bit op?

[median tulip]

Anima power?

[proper pecan]

NF soulbind ability from 9.1

[median tulip]

Tasty

It'll probably get nerfed

We're not allowed to have nice things

[solar crown]

It took naowh 5 minutes to see this and report it as OP. Must be something wrong with the tooltip

oh, its actually updated, the one he read said you took 30% less damage when you are below 80% hp. might be this is inteded

Anything that gets us out of the kite-meta is good

[sweet summit]

nuke NF soulbinds

i swear blizzard intentionally make them over powered

[solar crown]

Everyone should swap to necrolord just to spite them

[sweet summit]

negative

[solar crown]

banner-party!

[sweet summit]

i like my vampire party

[solar crown]

If i only picked venth to begin with.. i picker Kyrian and cba to farm renown

[still pagoda]

As if they can't just rework few of lackluster NF class abilities

And one pure garbage can

[jagged pier]

the boomkin in my guild last night was like now u can give me the buff for over a minute, i was like well number 1 it only extends for me and number boomy dead so i would give buff to someone else and number 3 i loose a lot of defensive value as dropping repirsal

[sweet summit]

oh it only extends on the warrior?

[solar crown]

so many boomies crying themselves to sleep now

[sweet summit]

good

[solar crown]

feelsgoodman

Im actually excited to see how many of them are still able to play their class without insane convokes. i strongly the majority has been carried by it

strongly think*

[still pagoda]

[still pagoda]

Checking parse logs would give you a better picture

[unique shale]

Today i playing decline simulator XD

[granite atlas]

The fire mage discord was arguing how they are not good at m+ anyway so its unneccesary to nerf their aoe lul

[ionic fern]

Jep. 🙂 So even worse.

[sweet summit]

sad

[ionic fern]

Why?
It's a boring one

[sweet summit]

ye true true

[unique shale]

dh is not op

no need for nerf plz buff it

[solar crown]

dh fits the meta very nicely. they can kite and get agro so easy, the rest of us gotta stand in the moshpit and hit stuff to get agro

[ionic fern]

Luckily we CAN stand in moshpit . 🙂

[solar crown]

That is true. But still, DH are very good at what they do well, which is not actually tanking that much but rather run around and make things chase

[unique shale]

easy way to kill dh is to reduce their threat regeneration and let them stand more and kite less

[solar crown]

Bliz has made some correct choices in making tanks 'more tanky' instead of nerfing DH, so I dont have a problem with DH being as they are

[unique shale]

then where is buffs for other tanks

[lime urchin]

They recently got buffed.

[solar crown]

+10% physical and +10% magical, was it? Thats pretty big

and makes it possible for other tanks to actually do what they do well, and we hopefully have an alternative to the kite-meta

[jagged pier]

yer but the dh also got buffs along with thos just not as big

🤷

[unique shale]

but they giving same buffs to dh in 9.1

[strong forum]

so

[solar crown]

But the reason why DH has been so good is that you had to kite to survive. when you dont have to kite to survive i believe other tanks do that better then a dh

[strong forum]

who cares

[solar crown]

I might be wrong here, but thats what i've put together from watching MDI-players talk about why they play a dh

[strong forum]

DH is good for MDI cuz you can play around your meta windows

and spirit bomb

[orchid frigate]

monkachrist that skulker's wing trinket is dangerous

[strong forum]

curious to see how boring the MDI grand finals are gonna be

[orchid frigate]

is it normal MDI now?

or big push

[strong forum]

first is normal MDI

next weekend

after that is great push

[brittle owl]

great push is for babies 👶

[strong forum]

at this point both tournaments are great push

cuz +20s are fucking rough to speedrun

[orchid frigate]

idk about normal MDI anymore. was fun previously but now it feels bland

by the look of it its not only me who think so

[unique shale]

omg what is wrong with people dps call tank suck while they cannot do more than 5kdps with bl on big packs in DOS

[orchid frigate]

😮

[strong forum]

its still the same formula, hence why its boring

[solar crown]

They took all the fun out of MDI when they target-capped everything. besides cloth-users who can do what they want x]

[orchid frigate]

yeah why have they insisting on battling players with stuff like aoe cap?

[strong forum]

the pulls are also insanely impossible to even remotely emulate on live

in BFA you could atleast in low keys emulate big pulls on your own for fun

but now you need the same comp to do so cuz lmao target capping

and paper tanks

[solar crown]

+1

[orchid frigate]

we have stronger tanks tho in form av cardboard

[strong forum]

the removal of big pulls has hurt M+ so insanely much its not even funny

[orchid frigate]

cardboard > paper

true nome

[strong forum]

and 9.1 looks like a terrible patch so far

[solar crown]

Dunno why bliz do what they do, but they dont have the same view on 'fun' as the players

[strong forum]

unless the seasonal affix and the scoring turns out to be amazing i dont think ill play it

[orchid frigate]

instead of doing dungeons that feels fun they insist on make them obnoxious

[mental scarab]

Why Do we use AM with reprisal legendary and not bolster? Cant we stand longer in packs with bolster?

[strong forum]

cuz Reprisal grants enough block uptime

[orchid frigate]

think they believe players will appreciate the "challenge"

[strong forum]

AM grants more damage and more uptime on SW

you could only argue playing Bolster in Gauntlet of SD

cuz of 7min or w/e of uninterrupted fighting

[mental scarab]

Or chain pulling like a mad man

?

[strong forum]

no

[solar crown]

I'm not sure if its the dungeons themselves who are bad, or if the concept has just been used in so many expansions its not fun anymore. And the fact that they basically said you cant get good gear just form m+.. its just a horrible chain of decisions

[mental scarab]

Okej

[strong forum]

Chain Pulling like a mad man is called being stupid

99% of dungeons dont even allow thast

[orchid frigate]

dps usually think you should chain pull like a mad man in SD gauntlet

[mental scarab]

Mhm

[orchid frigate]

NEXT! PULL!!!

FASTER!!!11

[mental scarab]

Weird not to play with bolster😅

[unique shale]

omg

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

never played bolster in raid

[mental scarab]

All the years in bfa

[solar crown]

dps are generally oblivious to mechanics in a dungeon

[strong forum]

so in m+ its also simple to get used to

[mental scarab]

Dps in raids

M+ is so much more fun

[strong forum]

you still use LS like normal

[unique shale]

and i going to pull for you and die from aggro and call you shit

[strong forum]

just dont forget about charging

[orchid frigate]

excactly @unique shale

[solar crown]

"wtf how did i die there??!!" -dps who stands in fire and dont have their interrupt on their actionbar

[strong forum]

its still 40%+ rage gen and 30% EHP gain

just 3min CD instead of 2min

[mental scarab]

Yea

[orchid frigate]

"trash tank that dies im outta here not gonna carry this shit group anymore"

[mental scarab]

Im old and my muscle memory is deep

[unique shale]

what are you using interrupt xD

[mental scarab]

[strong forum]

dont have to change muscle memroy

really

just charge more often and intervene

👌

proceed like normal

but do 20% more dmg instead

[mental scarab]

I like that

[unique shale]

i just time pf 18 with bolster and Reprisal

[strong forum]

i mean sure

its not gonna stop you

but its slightly less optimal

[solar crown]

Its tryhard, i know, but it just feels easier to interrupt stuff that kill me 😦

[strong forum]

but you also barely tank anything in PF aswell

[orchid frigate]

today im pugging as DPS, been interesting

[strong forum]

3 mob pulls

[unique shale]

we had 5min left and i did 6m overall damge

[orchid frigate]

see how other tanks are doing stuff

but im not used to having to wait so long for groups to form 😦

[mental scarab]

Yea Im watching @patent osprey and crying

[orchid frigate]

also im not used being chased by shades

[hexed rune]

Being DPS gets memed on, but being a good dps, pumping numbers while doing mechanics is hard

[unique shale]

me getting invite as melee dps 2 min later kicked XD

[orchid frigate]

@hexed rune amen

[hexed rune]

I would argue harder than tanking. you just can get away with being a mediocre dps

cause you can lean on the other two

whereas a tank can't lean on anyone

[unique shale]

just use leash trinket from huntsman

🤣

[solar crown]

That is true. Knowing when to 'pop your shit' and be prepared for mechanics/kicks etc is actually not that easy. The reason they are memed is because so many dps play dps because they dont want to learn how stuff works, they just want to press buttons and have good dps-numbers

[solar crown]

mmm, kill the warlock

[feral dock]

Is there a resource on bosspositioning? Sometimes i have problems with bosses like 2,3 on spires, 1 in HoA, Boss in the plague district of ToP etc

[tepid nest]

second boss in spires i like to stack her 1st and 2nd dead strides or w/e the fuck theyre claled, then i move her to the opposite side of the arena

makes the recharge phase trivial as fuck, hopefully shes dead before you have too much shit to dodge

1 in HoA, watch your Bigwigs/DBM timers for when the beams will come, move him in between the last pool of shit being thrown and the beams starting

I dont know if there's a resource or not, no.

It's something I struggle with too

[strong forum]

maybe tanknotes has something

in their m+ section

[jagged pier]

i looked at one of my old vids the other day and saw i had a 2h, now im sad

[still pagoda]

Also add target capping limiting half of dungeon pulls

[oblique garnet]

@strong forum leave boomers alone my joints are hurting from getting out of bed nowadays no bullying

[oblique garnet]

You can generally see the most optimal way of tanking bosses if you watch high m+ streams like naowh or nerf etc

[dense oar]

heya

what talents do I want for m+

[sweet summit]

with reprisal

with the wall

[feral dock]

I pref double time with reprisal

More shieldblock and more dmg

Right?

[sweet summit]

thats fine

SB/DT and CT/BS are personal prefrence

[dense oar]

ty

is one slightly better for m+ if you min/max

[sweet summit]

reprisal is better

[dense oar]

how would I choose between SB and DT?

[sweet summit]

do you value a short CD ranged ST stop over more rage/SB uptime?

[dense oar]

I'm new to tanking and warriors in general

so I'm not sure what I value more

[sweet summit]

just learn to play with storm bolt imo

[dense oar]

ok

ty

[ebon hound]

Double Time should come with a warning that it increases risk of Meleebrain by 100%

[sweet summit]

yooooo does that mean i get two melee brains???!!

[viscid agate]

i started liking dragon roar more(atleast for raid) and for m+ booming voice(wall) best served cold (reprisal)

[sweet summit]

Dragon Roar

[still pagoda]

The higher you go, the more you will value additional cc and interrupts. Also highly beneficial to have it if you're pugging, no matter the key level as you can't always rely on randoms to even know any casts to kick and what interrupt even is

[torn stump]

if you're pugging for ksm you'll want SB alot of the time because pugs do pug things

[inland raft]

I dont ever pug tank except maybe one dps if someone cant make it and im nf so sb often goes nearly unused for me but for a large number of people its super invaluable

[torn stump]

then you can double time your heart out assuming the dps you play with get interrupts

i only pug so the idea of not having stormbolt to save me terrifies me

i dream of a day i can run double time without fear

[rotund parcel]

oi friends, m sire I think im better off using 220 sanguine vintage instead of 226 scale right, the 1m cd is just way more consistent right

dude trucks.

[jagged pier]

not in m+

on raid progress

sure its better

[rotund parcel]

yer, we getting inted at 2nd pizza slice atm

[sick sentinel]

we made to p2 couple times already

as first night progging it

so not bad i guess

need to get used to dmg patterns and proper soaks

i just think that p1 of sire is really bad designed lmao

[remote hawk]

Anyone knows if this is of any use or worth something ? 😛

[unkempt fox]

For world content sure

[sweet summit]

it reduces the cd of the covenant ability, not the covenant class ability

[sick sentinel]

faster steward

Pog

[sweet summit]

:notpog:

[sick sentinel]

By the way

[remote hawk]

Ahhh

[sick sentinel]

im going to dive soon into 20's

I'm at 13% versa, im afraid that might be too low

my experience at 20-21s so far has been as healer so im not very used to how versa interact with the warr, but i asume its pretty valuable stat

(trying to aim for haste/versa on most of my items so far)

[strong forum]

plka literally did 23s yesterday with 9% vers

[lofty widget]

13 % is more than fine

[sweet summit]

believe it or not its overvalued by a lot of people

[strong forum]

dont worry about vers

[sick sentinel]

So im mostly overvaluating it

[strong forum]

100%

[sick sentinel]

thanks then ^_^

yeah i know that ilvl>all

and ofc player knoweledge 😛

thanks for the tip guys

[strong forum]

if you commit to full vers stacking like a mofo, you will only end up getting like a 15% dmg reduction from it, its not going to make you magically tanky

[sick sentinel]

yeah has lot of sense

[silk edge]

And if one have already like 28% haste, better to go vers enchants and gems or stick with haste ?

[strong forum]

i went with mastery gems and enchant cuz i want to critblock more often now that we have so high block uptime with reprisal

but technically you can safely continue stacking haste until 39% before ITF

[still pagoda]

So nothing really changed. Nice

[ionic fern]

I honestly feel like i'm the only one who doesn't actively care about his stats. 👀

All these stat questions/concerns..

[brittle owl]

muh numbuhs

[strong forum]

yeah

i just felt like 15% mastery was a bit too shabby, considering how much tankiness in m+ came from having 3x bom in BFA in m+ and also orgozoa

made me value mastery alot more

[ionic fern]

I got like 0 gems tho since i'm too lazy.

[brittle owl]

no rage in that pic 😠

[ionic fern]

Sorry.

There you go.

[strong forum]

[brittle owl]

best stat

[strong forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/832222660360273960/unknown.png

[brittle owl]

this should be an emote

who do i @

@ionic fern orange man do it

[still pagoda]

I "cared" about stats back in 8.3.

S T A C K. M O R E. H A S T E

[ionic fern]

😦

[still pagoda]

[hollow pine]

i kinda avoid crit but rest is fine tbh

[ionic fern]

[sweet summit]

[hollow pine]

[quaint onyx]

[still pagoda]

[ebon hound]

[brittle owl]

[alpine thunder]

[still pagoda]

[brittle owl]

look mom i'm a meme setter

agane

[still pagoda]

I'm a paladin now

[sweet summit]

[brittle owl]

[sweet summit]

[still pagoda]

[ionic fern]

I wonder when will be the point when Vel just goes..
"Screw it..we already got most emojis, lets just allow globals".

[sweet summit]

soon ™️

🙏

[ebon hound]

👋 @ Vel 👀

no balls, sorry

[ionic fern]

That was the correct decision.

[still pagoda]

Do it

[sweet summit]

same 😔

[still pagoda]

Just

Do

It

[crisp dragon]

[smoky wave]

😁

[ionic fern]

[still pagoda]

[smoky wave]

Been using it weeks. Emoji make happy.

[still pagoda]

[smoky wave]

Finally got ksm last night, so thanks everyone for answering stuff over the last few months. Makes me sad that getting ksm gets me 9th prot warrior on the realm to get it though when I'm just plebbing about being an idiot.

[ionic fern]

We are all plebbing around.

It's fine.

[strong forum]

server ranking is all relative

[still pagoda]

[unique shale]

[ionic fern]

I'm r1 server. AMA.

[still pagoda]

Especially on highly populated servers

[ionic fern]

Oh, i'm gonna go to Twisting-Nether and be an alliance so i can say
"I'm R1 on Twisting-Nether" but not mention that it's only on Alliance.

[still pagoda]

Mwahi

Come to Kazzak already

[unique shale]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-for-the-alliance-gif-11541819

[ionic fern]

Why?

[still pagoda]

[ionic fern]

👀

[remote dawn]

[unique shale]

come silvermoon

[ionic fern]

I am on Silvermoon on some of my chars.

[sweet summit]

nuke kazzak

[still pagoda]

You're not swede, greek or russian, but you'll definitely fit the Kazzak atmosphere

[still pagoda]

No, nuke draenor

[ionic fern]

How do you know what i am.

👀

Maybe i am a Swede.

[still pagoda]

[unique shale]

kazzak is highly populated

[ionic fern]

I'm not.

😦

[still pagoda]

[delicate thorn]

If you are doing a +10, is it important when that red monster spawns? or does that only matter if you are running it on time or higher levels?

[unique shale]

red monster ?!

[delicate thorn]

yeah whatever it's called

I haven't done M+ yet

[sweet summit]

prideful

[unique shale]

after 10+ it does matter a lot

[sweet summit]

imean its not giga important, but it helps a lot if youve taken a look at MDT and planned what to pull so you can see where/when it will spawn

[delicate thorn]

@unique shale but +10 is the earliest level it happens on right?

[sweet summit]

correct

[unique shale]

i mean it depends how your group can handle it last time i did 10 everybody were hiting each other with arrows or tank spawning pride on a big pack

[delicate thorn]

I was looking in the dungeon finder yesterday, but everything was like +15 or +17. Not many +4 or something 🙂

[unique shale]

cause you are going on alt to play some low keys and you get some noobs which sometime hurt your brain so many people tend to push or don't bother with m+

[delicate thorn]

warrior is an alt for me, my main is holy priest but I am not too fond of doing dungeons as a healer, I only raid. But I've done some random heroic and timewalking as prot and it's been quite fun

but moving into M+ is very different

[unique shale]

M+ pugging is pain and shady since people for real kick you for better heal,dps,tank spot

and if you are not a meta good luck

[delicate thorn]

Maybe I should stick to timewalking, it does give a 200 ilvl item so it's a potential upgrade too 🙂

in some slots at least

[sweet summit]

dont give up

[unique shale]

i already gave up for this week

[honest plinth]

yes it is. you cant afford to spawn it in pack of mobs with low rio/ilvl grp

[jagged pier]

i gave up about 5 months ago

[unique shale]

[honest plinth]

idk im doing 20-21s on dh and ~17s on warrior. im pretty sure it is easier to find grp on my warrior.but im ally so idk bout horde

[unique shale]

i sign up for 18 and i only get decline and later on isee they have pala or dh as their tank

sometimes bear or dk

but no warrior

unless they run their own key

[honest plinth]

seems like bad luck

[inland raft]

Warriors had bad rep at very stary of xpac and community can br slow to change, but the groups that dont recognize they are a good tank are bullets dodged

[unique shale]

yeah and i timed one 18 even tho so there is no reason to not invite me unless it is class problem

[honest plinth]

tank balance is good rn

tier list for 2 days of this week btw

TIER LIST BTW

[signal plover]

0 motivation to push beyond weekly keys atm

[unique shale]

[signal plover]

Hope the scoring system let's em do in game rewards for 20s

[honest plinth]

will be nice

[unique shale]

that's too high

18 would be ideal

[signal plover]

Not rly

[honest plinth]

nope its okeyish for s2

[still pagoda]

[delicate thorn]

I did do some M+ on the priest last expansion because it was in a guild group and we were on teamspeak so they could explain what the affixes actually do. I remember the first M+ I ever did in BfA was a +15 😄

[honest plinth]

This is STATISTIC 🚪

[signal plover]

Everything scales but there should be enough borrowed power gains to bump keys a few levels

[still pagoda]

🚪

you know de way

[signal plover]

Ew TC

[honest plinth]

bfa vibes

[unique shale]

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassed-panda-gif-4075545

[signal plover]

TC got put on time out for what it did during bfa

[unique shale]

but ravage dose TC work in sl accept need more rage for it

[honest plinth]

you mean revenge or ravager? 🙂

[signal plover]

Revenge prolly

I like revenge being

[sick sentinel]

are we still rocking thunderlord for M+ tanking

[limpid burrow]

no

[sick sentinel]

then what

reprisal?

[signal plover]

Yeh

[toxic prairie]

no one asked, but settled on Pwarrior as my tank out of the 4 I have. just hit 219 ilevel and have been pushing io, and now that I am gettign used to reprisal its night and day. like allot of time i just dont take dmg

[tame jasper]

🙂 nice, i love it too

[boreal flower]

im a bit out of the loop, would the new glory leggo be competitive in m+?

[lofty widget]

way too early to tell

[jagged pier]

well as it only buffs your buff and u loose repirsal

no

[outer solstice]

it sounds great for DPS so maybe for a raid where 2 tanks are needed but 1 only for a short period it might be a nice DPS increase, imagine getting PI as well to extend glory even longer

but yeah I agree, loosing defensive legendaries probably not worth it

[jagged pier]

the extended glory only applies to the warrior

not the buffed allies

[outer solstice]

oh it's not for the allies?

then it's crap

[jagged pier]

not at the moment no

[boreal flower]

unfortunate

[outer solstice]

that would be the 1 thing that could make it viable

[wanton condor]

the new leggos look terrible for m+

venthyr one probably good for raid I guess

combine it with the last stand rage multiplier and you can probably keep it up for the first 20% and last 20% no sweat

[shut summit]

that's only is 15sec buff for w.e reason

Both block and unnerving rage increase don't extend with the Lego, you only get the last stand health extending

[ebon hound]

which is like

[torn stump]

positive interaction would be both fun and logical

[ebon hound]

not thought through at all

[torn stump]

so no

[ebon hound]

"yep, ship it!"

[outer solstice]

lol that's underwhelming

[wanton condor]

totally useless then

[ebon hound]

buffs indomitable healing by 30% while active

[outer solstice]

so 0 *1.3

let me maff

still 0

[ebon hound]

[outer solstice]

checked my maff?

[ebon hound]

if your indomitable is healing you for 0 you need to see a doctor

[outer solstice]

oh well compared to other classes selfhealing

[wanton condor]

if it doesn't increase the duration of the bolster SB or the rage gen then it's just extra max health, which isn't really useful for us given that we aren't really in danger of getting globaled

[outer solstice]

and if we are a real defensive legendary would be better

[wanton condor]

I mean, it would be pretty nifty for someone like a BDK

where your max health does matter

fond memories of basically permanent Vamp in legion

[modern brook]

how are people more excited about stinky poopoo vampire garbage legendary than the one that makes AA fuck

Literally viagra for furries

AA didnt even need viagra

and here it is

[outer solstice]

yeah but the AA thing sounds... underwhelming

if I can jsut take seismic

[wanton condor]

I mean, a bit more KD on casters is nice but I can't think of a situation in m+ I'd run that over reprisal

and I'm kind of doubtful it's that meaningful in ST

the banner one might actually be the winner there for raid?

assuming you have 3 buddies with good mastery scaling

[sour kiln]

@shut summit does the new lego extend the duration of the conduit? 18% strength

[outer solstice]

only extends the buff on yourself rn

[wanton condor]

looks at what they're doing to fire/boomie/aff
Maybe if you have 3 UHDK buddies?

[wanton condor]

it gives an extra friend to get the buff

[outer solstice]

yeah but still...

[wanton condor]

it's not like the other leggos we have right now are amazing dps!

50% increase in buffs is probably the winner there

the main worry is if they just nerfed the hell out of the big mastery bros

[sour kiln]

im sitting ont he wall right now, and hesitant to craft Reprisal, or wait for the new banner lego. I am looking forward to seeing more changes / theory crafting on this.
I hope the buffs are increased during the whole time the buff is actives

[modern brook]

the dot literally doubles AA damage

[outer solstice]

double? you sure?

[modern brook]

i mean based on tooltips

so "no"

but the thing fuckin trucks

[outer solstice]

still working rn haven't checked onto PTR yet

[modern brook]

on tooltips the dots about 250% atatck scaling over 6s

[outer solstice]

wasn't it "just" the extra dot thingy?

[modern brook]

the hit is 220

[modern brook]

it also extends the earthquake effect by 3s

which in turn makes that do more damage too

and also gen more rage etc

[outer solstice]

yeah but the rage gen is horribly low compared to repsirsal and wall

[wanton condor]

right now it's 220 + 4*35, would get 1 more hit of 35 + dot

[outer solstice]

wowhead says 13.83% AP *3 scaling

[modern brook]

per stack

[outer solstice]

yeah

that makes positional problems super crazy

[modern brook]

what positional problems

ur the fucking tank

and you're not running REprisal

jsut fucking dump that shit

[outer solstice]

well, there are DDs

[wanton condor]

so it's what, compounding?

[outer solstice]

there are weird DDs

but yeah I think the AA legendary still has to compete with seismic in M+

and I can't see seismic being overtaken by it for that

[modern brook]

Sure

[signal plover]

I feel like most of the covenant leggos have effects that would be awesome as supplementary

[modern brook]

But its the only one that does anytihn

Condemn leggo is useless for prot

LOL if you're considering glory

[signal plover]

Which is why I hope you can slap em on top of existing

[modern brook]

Kyrian TBA

[outer solstice]

this, their effects should just be given to you and not compete with the normal legendaries

[modern brook]

maybe that'll be how they handle double leggos this expac

[signal plover]

Since that feeling seems to be somewhat consistent across the board I do wonder if that is their plan here.

[wanton condor]

yeah, if the AA dot compounds it could be crazy damage

[modern brook]

it probably wont work like ignite, if thats what you mean

[outer solstice]

how about other classes?

[wanton condor]

god it's awkward to calc as it looks like it's every 2s and reapplies every 3s

[wanton condor]

nah, just with stacking

[modern brook]

the *3 just means it does x% 3 times over Y seconds (not accounting for haste)

[signal plover]

I've heard similar things but it's still early I guess

[modern brook]

I imagine it'll work like agony

[signal plover]

Watch the kyrian one pump spear dmg and add a knockdown

Or...holy shit

Make it grip in things within like 10 yds of the effect

[modern brook]

oh my pog dude

[outer solstice]

or they make the effect 2 yds bigger and give 10 more rage

[signal plover]

Blizz plz

[modern brook]

Honestly even if they just give it a root effect after it ends

[signal plover]

Shh

[modern brook]

I'll be pogged

[outer solstice]

I'm NF

I don't care @signal plover

[wanton condor]

make spear silence

[outer solstice]

@wanton condor if they make AA root?

[signal plover]

Basically adding anything to spear will be gravy

[outer solstice]

spear is melee CC, AA is caster CC, they won't give either of them both niches

[wanton condor]

unless they want to be legends...

I love spear, but I feel like it really doesn't solve the problem I want in m+

while AA often does, and positioning isn't as big an issue when I'm using it for mucking up casters

[outer solstice]

then go NF

[wanton condor]

pot on the other hand is a godsend and I've missed it since I started my world tour

[outer solstice]

NF is fun

[wanton condor]

I did!

[outer solstice]

[wanton condor]

doing venthyr next

[outer solstice]

soulshape best shape

yeah I might be going ventyr as well

[sick sentinel]

sb has good tanking nameplates ?

[wanton condor]

my issue with venthyr is that while condemn is super sexy looking, I find the battlelord playstyle on arms to be more fun and it's just a nothingburger for tanking

[outer solstice]

@wanton condor I'm actually thinking of testing enduring blow arms 😛

as NF

[modern brook]

the arms dream is enduring blow + surge tbh

well my arms drema is

nvm i forgot how condemn works ignore me

[wanton condor]

I like battlelord because the gameplay feels a lot more responsive, with everything flowing into the next skill

[fervent kestrel]

I think the real answer to covenant is Necrolord. Everybody knows Banner is the way to go

[slow warren]

how much % block do you guys typically get in your dungeons?

with reprisal

[strong forum]

70-85%

[lofty widget]

75-85 %

[strong forum]

Depending on how greedy I play

[slow warren]

think mine's pretty low damn

68-72%

[lofty widget]

is that from details or logs?

[slow warren]

logs

[lofty widget]

yee, sounds like youre not utilising reprisal enough

[slow warren]

can you check what you took unblocked hits from?

[lofty widget]

as in, what mobs? i dont think so

[slow warren]

oh found it

can sort by mitigated at least

i seem to have lower blocked % against single targets

prides and bosses etc

[strong forum]

Makes sense

[slow warren]

against trash it's like 80-90%

against pride it's 50%

maybe should figure out how to charge weave on those neater

[strong forum]

When they apply the debuff on others you can run out and charge

That's where they stand still

[slow warren]

so immediately at the start of the application of the lines?

[strong forum]

When the mob turns away

[slow warren]

when it turns at someone

[strong forum]

Ye

[slow warren]

ok yep

[strong forum]

That's when it won't follow you for like a global

[sick sentinel]

Hey i got Q, what ability give you extra 1 sec on active shield block?

[sturdy sable]

Shield slams with heavy repercussions

[sick sentinel]

ahh i see

watching now andybrew on prot and was thinking how he get extra shield block

her take this ability then AM and Nolster

[slow warren]

he's not taking heavy repercussions

the extra shield block you see is from the charge legendary

[sick sentinel]

no no after he use shield slam extra 1 sec on SB

not bad 81%

[lofty widget]

memeing

[amber herald]

been any ptr updates for warr?

[strong forum]

Nop

[modern brook]

81% is just reprisal uptimes

like taking HR isnt giving him that much

[feral dock]

Should i look for offwnsive or defensive trinkets getting slowly into the +10ish keys?

[quick pecan]

Blood Spattered Scale. Don’t listen to anyone that says otherwise.

[feral dock]

I know but what teinkets until im lucky enough to get scale?

[normal coral]

Assuming it's to early and no one has been testing out the covenant lego for venthyr and how much uptime you can pump into last stand with it?

[quick pecan]

Anything will work. There’s no GOAT trinkets other than Scale IMO

I went offensive and have no issues averaging

[lyric relic]

And sunking trinket!

[quick pecan]

Face tanking lol

[lofty widget]

emitter, spike, heraldry are all great

but yeah, depending on your ilvl ofc you will be fine with whatever trinekts you have

[normal coral]

Just looking at that lego with Bolster and the conduit for rage generation while last stand is active you would be able to pump so many condems into the active LS

[lofty widget]

it only increases the HP increase, so atm its pretty bad

(aka we dont extend bolster or unnerving focus)

[feral dock]

So basically it comes down to personal preference until i get bis trinkets

[lofty widget]

more or less. i was playing viscera for the longest time even tho its horrible, and i did just fine

trinkets are not whats gonna hold you back

[normal coral]

Oh shit that sucks if so. Really hope that changes as it could lead to a really strong offensive build without saccing to much defense

[modern brook]

Anything with stats is generally pretty good. Hymnal is nutso if you can get it 200+

Phial is a very strong damage trinket

[warped mulch]

I’m running spike and SLH, haven’t had any issues yet.

[modern brook]

yeah cause ur trinkets dont matter tbh

they're either "the good ones", a stat stick, or damage throughput

[fresh ruin]

is the beating abomination core a half decent tank trinket?

my other options are a 194 sanguine vintage, an inscrutbale, or an overwhelming power crystal

[lofty widget]

eughh, i would probably play core and sanguine then, to avoid double on-use. IQD is super rng and the crystal is mainly a dps trinket but if you dont mind double on-use and wanna pump a bit, crystal+vintage

[warped mulch]

Probably core and power crystal unless you are really struggling with survivability

[modern brook]

are all these options and the core 194?

[woeful trellis]

is seismic good for sun king?

[jagged pier]

ummm depends if u solo tank or not

the way my guild does it no

[sweet summit]

seismic us good everywhere you have 3 or more targets and want to do big dam

[jagged pier]

and sunking damage is kinda compressed on ST'ing the shields

more than add damage

[cinder nova]

Truth. I swapped Niya and ITF/BV for MSKS prog

[jagged pier]

and dont forget to shattering the first and last shield

[strong forum]

no

only thing that matters on that fight is boss dmg

[neon vigil]

guys i have a question about the PTR there is this legendary new for warriors specific to the coven and this one from the Venthyr says that covenant increases the duration of Last Stand by 4 sec but this for each condems spam? if this were the case it is very relieved you would have a duration in more 4 sec of last stand if talented you would have consequently a duration of Shield Block increased by 4 sec right?

[amber herald]

last stand only at the moment

[sweet summit]

currently doesnt extend the shield block from bolster

[strong forum]

it also doesnt extend the rage gen

[sweet summit]

[ancient pasture]

How does Demo shout interact with bleeds? I get a bleed, then shout, is the existing bleed impacted by the 20%dr, or only if I shout before the bleed is applied?

[sweet summit]

when its active its reduced, when it falls off its back to "normal" values

no snapshots

[ancient pasture]

But it dynamically updates. Dope, ty

[chilly brook]

So it only extends the most useless part of the "defensive" that's not even really a "defensive"

[light thicket]

Im hoping its a bug and its meant to extend everything

They'll fix it on a later iteration of the ptr

[sweet summit]

🙏

[light thicket]

And then its condems all around

[sick sentinel]

The feel when you get a socket item

so you don't have to go to the maw and do stupid quests to farm the socket for it

[craggy harness]

I don't got that feeling. Cuz I didn't think I would be doing mythic

and now I get to farm sockets

Acceptable pain though

Blizz agrees, gave me bis neck in GV before I accidentally socketed the huntsman one from weekend

(pukes in mouth at "bis" neck)

[ionic fern]

I hope it's not a bug and it remains like it is.
Just fix the UNnerving focus part but leave Bolster out of it.

[still pagoda]

I have a really small question. What is the usual ilvl at which pugs won't throw up in "OMFG YOU'RE SO LOW YOU'RE RIGHT OUT OF NORMAL DUNGS GO FARM HEROICS" in M0's?

[ionic fern]

If they also make it extend Bolster it's going to be broken and become a problem down the line especially when we can use 2 legendaries.

[still pagoda]

nowadays that is

[ionic fern]

Probably like 250 or something.-

[still pagoda]

i know M0's are so easy that they were done right after hitting lvl60 on launch, but i dunno how bad the pug situation is rn

[ionic fern]

It's horrible, as always.

I can't get into 10's on my 200 ilvl chars.

😒

[still pagoda]

Guess push your own key applies as usual

[still pagoda]

this makes me regret all the things I've done between the moment i've moved on from my Kazzak guild to December

[sick sentinel]

I started entering 10's with 204-205 ilvl

but only because my main rio score was shown

and it was thursday so they were desperate i assum

[flint tiger]

could be worse, you could be trying to pug keys as an arms warrior

i didn't try tanking till after 9.0.5 with the reprisal changes, went from spending a minimum of 1 hour getting rejected by groups to barely get into a 10 key at 215+ilvl to nearly insta-invites on 15 keys as tank

[still pagoda]

same but prot warrior on launch. That was horrendous

[flint tiger]

I can believe that

i didn't wanna play prot on launch because of how it looked/seemed lol

[still pagoda]

losing a guild and a push group is the worst thing that can happen

[flint tiger]

with the wall legendary being your best one felt so boring

[still pagoda]

it was actually pretty good

[flint tiger]

i guess i should clarify, it seemed boring-ish to me

reprisal brought more of the fun aspects I was looking for like zipping around charigng/intervening and shit

and the revenge damage

also the seismic change, granted haven't played with it yet

still wish i could play arms more though

[still pagoda]

time to do some old as fuck shit i guess

[flint tiger]

i love parry-vening our tanks

[still pagoda]

[flint tiger]

damn that ui is crisp

out of curiosity, could Kleia be used as a more dps oriented soulbind because of the 5% passive crit over pelagos' passive magic DR?

[still pagoda]

M0's were easy as fuck on launch to the point of being doable by fresh 60's

it's sure as hell easy rn

[wanton condor]

I'm still doubtful we'll ever get 2 leggos outside of a last patch free for all

[still pagoda]

^

[fresh ruin]

i have a guildie who was tanking on his 130 pally, and tanking up to M+5

[grand drum]

its probably gonna be a covenant one and a regular one if we get 2 leggos

[still pagoda]

140 holy pala with DH who didn't even think to kite. Just as i expected, M0's are still easy as fuck

[plush tendon]

I mean, should M0s not be easy?

[still pagoda]

always have been really easy

i was just double checking on the topic of pugs being toxic as usual

[plush tendon]

oh lel

[still pagoda]

smh got normal people this time around

[weak dune]

fun part is when you get super overgeared dps for m0 with your fresh tank toon and can't hold aggro on anything

[still pagoda]

oh it is

well, i just had fun watching DPS catch every single puddle and cleave

and heal this up

since it's M0, it's not a problem(Just as it surely won't be a problem in keys before +17 or so. I guess so)

but what would be in higher keys...

[unreal scarab]

somebody else experiencing people instantly leaving groups when people invite another tank except demon hunter :D? it s ridonciolous!

[still pagoda]

welcome to pugging

i've been observing this ever since start of BfA

[unreal scarab]

ohhhhh i have dds getting nearly one shot by cleaves etc. on +7/8 while grinding valor. it is super fun. areas of +4-+12 are pure anarchy!

2 retri paladins were demanding in a +8 to get the bossmechanic explained before every boss

because they didn t know they should kill worms at boss 1 in necrotic

[still pagoda]

[unreal scarab]

[still pagoda]

this is why ret chats on HoW are the way they are

[unreal scarab]

they were also pumping incredible 1.4 and 1.6k overall

beast i tell you BEASTS

the divine uther was working through their hands i could tell!

[weak dune]

asked a priest to mind soothe, they used MC instead and after it broke he ran towards us with 4 mobs so we wiped

[sweet summit]

epic

[clear pond]

I've had to go tank for sludgefist mythic, not really tanked mythic bosses before, over our pulls tonight (down to about 50%) I'm averaging ~79% mitigation going by WCL, does that seem alright? DTPS around 4.7k (over entire night)

[sweet summit]

how many blocked hits

[clear pond]

Not sure how to filter for that tbh

[sweet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/832146059961958400/unknown.png

[clear pond]

57.75% blocked hits

playing with the wall

[sweet summit]

thats low

very low

[clear pond]

Oh dear, how high should I be aiming?

[sweet summit]

sludge has a good amount of downtime where you dont need to use SB

like stomps and charge

idk, most people are running reprisal and getting close to or reaching 100% blocked hits on sludge

[clear pond]

Would you be letting SB sit at 2 during charge just pooling for damage phases?

[sweet summit]

nah id use a charge for SS damage

as youll get it back for when he's attacking again

[clear pond]

Yeah that's what I've been doing, alrighty so gotta work on the SB uptime, thanks for the heads up 😃

[flint tiger]

out of curiosity, for lower keys (15s) would kleia be better as a more damage focused covenant instead of pelagos b/c of the % crit trait at the end? or is pelagos still beter b/c double potency?

[strong forum]

pelagos is better cuz of double potency and cuz of the mastery

[chilly brook]

This is running The Wall

It's a very set rotation of his casts

Use both shield block charges at the start, run out during slam go back in, use shield wall not block as he'll chain slam and you're going to waste a lot of shield block value if you do and putting shield wall on CD is more valuable when running The Wall anyways, block once that runs out then leave melee during stomp and start moving towards pillar with your cotank

Rinse and repeat

Chain slam is a big bait

It's fine to take an unblocked hit or two if a mechanic is about to come up that would waste your shield block cast

[clear pond]

That's very helpful, much appreciated!

Is there a preference of which tank should be taking the melee hits? Co tank is a vengeance DH

[ocean bloom]

you can also run bolster and just pop it on pull and on every other pillar and you have SB up until next pillar ezpz

[chilly brook]

The same either way

[ocean bloom]

its less dmg

but its ezpz

[chilly brook]

You both get hit for the same amount

Pre mitigation

Giant fists is just a carbon copy of the melee hit

[clear pond]

What's got me worried now is that I've obviously got a lot of issues and extra damage taken, and I'm still taking much less than the other tank

[vapid lynx]

what soulbind yall run for NF prot war?

[chilly brook]

Niya for raid but on SLG I run Korayn

Korayn for m+

Big dam

[vapid lynx]

ah ok so exact same soulbinds as fury warrior then

makes sense

im guessing also run teh crit chance as prot?

[chilly brook]

Yep

First strike go brrr

[clear pond]

Man I am way over using ignore pain it seems like

2x my indomitable healing on every pull

[chilly brook]

I think I only had 14 casts on our kill of sludge

Of IP

[lunar plank]

Do I want to demo shout immediately on pull or when shield block runs out?

[red tree]

I'd use it to cover when shield block is down or when you know there is heavy damage inc

[sweet summit]

just mash it on cooldown really

unless youre not taking damage and is not talented into booming voince

[mellow gorge]

Switching to am was a very gut decision

Bolster should be baselined

With AM at 220 (using TW) im averaging 3.6k dps which I think is really good for me

[amber sedge]

Is there any sense to punish specifically on SLG Mythic? I am the tank that is holding Kaal during the entire first phase and intermission, and though I am not dying if we clear at 3 stacks during the first crystallize of the first intermission, it gets dicey if we try to do the no tank clear strat, or if things just go wrong.

Obviously Devastator is generally superior for damage and rage gen (Which leads more defense AND offense) but with the nature of the bleed damage from Kaal (and it being a single target source of damage to me), is the upside of punish enough?

[lunar plank]

I've been fury all xpac and am going prot for the first time. I have 27% master/5% vers -- at what m+ level will I start to feel the lack of vers?

[sick sentinel]

22/23

[stark lion]

We're progging Mythic SLG atm, and I've mostly been running Devastator still. I don't see the value in Punish pushing it above Devastator.

[weak spindle]

Anyone on PTR know if the "Extends last stand 4 seconds" also extends the Bolster passive Shield block?

[quaint onyx]

Ive seen others in here post that it does not, nor does it extend the extra rage regen from conduit

[shut summit]

yep, this is correct

[weak spindle]

Ah. makes sense. it would be fucking stupid if it did

generally just sat here like, Yo if that shit did wtf 2k hps shields on average, more rage generation and 100% block.

condemn*

[languid flower]

I don't like devastator

downtime feels really bad

[languid flower]

I also rarely use revenge when it's not free, and spend most of my resources defensively, so generally speaking I use my CD's to fill the gaps between shield blocks

[gloomy cradle]

There really shouldn’t be much downtime

[gloomy cradle]

Unless you do this, which isn’t necessary in most situations

[languid flower]

I'm also an old-school tank

[gloomy cradle]

Especially now that you can run reprisal

[languid flower]

back when a tank's job was to make the healer's job as easy as possible

and DPS was for the rest of the raid to do.

[gloomy cradle]

Like 2004? lol

Most of the time just shield@block will be enough, better off getting the additional damage out

Packs die faster, less healing

Easier job for everyone

Ignore pain is great but it’s not something you neeed 100% uptime on

I’d say it to even out magical damage or for this few moments when you know shield block won’t be enough, assuming you’re not walling or using last stand

[cinder nova]

What are the percentile ranges of blue parses?

[timber nexus]

I've noticed that while tanking on my warrior my shield seems to break much faster than the rest of my gear, does using shield slam/shield block actually cause it to take additional durability damage?

[vocal bison]

Maybe need more time doing legs to get them up to par and skip a few arm/upper body days at the gym

[timber nest]

man sludge progress is annoyint

175 wipes

[languid flower]

I've noticed the same thing

For me, it's always shield first, then weapon and headgear

[tiny orchid]

Yo bois, if i can't drop the Kael trinket what 2nd trinket should i use for m+ Right now i use anima field, but i also have PF phial, Decanter from SD. I can upgrade any m+ trinekt but sadly i dont have any raid trinket. Im progressing 18/19'

[timber nexus]

I think there’s probably something in the code that makes your shield take damage every time you block an attack

[languid flower]

I'm happy with my gluttonous spike and my scale, but I'd be willing to get the one that revives you in place of the spike

[vocal bison]

If it’s progression Kael and scale are pretty clutch

that’s what I use for pushing

[tiny orchid]

The thing is there is no way to farm Kael and i haven't dropeed it yet. I use 220 Scale but not sure what can i use in 2nd slot

[vocal bison]

Oh misread, when you said can’t drop thought you meant didn’t want to lose it from your kit

Not can’t drop as in won’t drop from raid

Farm LFR?

[tiny orchid]

I came back 4 weeks ago and so far no luck from lfr/hc/norm

[vocal bison]

dang

[mighty valley]

People like decanter for fortified week as far as I've seen

I don't have one, mostly on anima field

[plush tendon]

When you replace a 15 SD with a timed 19 SD

[unique shale]

[plush tendon]

big IO gains

our rogue replace his timed 4 with a 19 😄

[fringe marten]

Buncha guildies talkin' about PTR tomorrow..wtf is going on?

[chilly brook]

@signal plover You've killed SLG yea?

[stiff tusk]

Hey I got a question for y'all, is there a way to see critical hits(to the back) from a boss on warcraftlogs?

[wet osprey]

what % do you go up after 2nd boss?

in NW?

[plush tendon]

68-69

[sweet summit]

69 something

ya

[plush tendon]

or go up with less and skip last pride

EZ

[sick sentinel]

super noob question inco

but beside ignore pain what can I use my rage for when off-tanking

[modern brook]

revenge

[brittle owl]

condemn

[jagged pier]

still after all these months whenever i see the letsgoo all i think of it CRAWING IN MY SKIN

[vocal bison]

These WOONDS they will not HeAl ChAmPiOn!

[jade shell]

there's a weakaura for that for every single instance req %

[wet osprey]

really?

[jagged pier]

yus

works in SD, PF, SoA and NW

but i know my routes now so i never look at it anyway, but it is useful if u dont have routes you follow

[obtuse delta]

When I I tank, every group member is ready to yell at me .
No this way stefan
No this one

[jagged pier]

well i just pug so

i just link my route

then if ppl bitch i just say well you could link your own

[obtuse delta]

I need to mak routes or copy some

[jagged pier]

but then they shut up after that

yesterday i was pretty miffed was doing a 19 HoA and some dumb fuck pulled

extra

so i had to adapt on the fly

was not nice

they even got me to link my route like 4 times

then they still go and pull extra -.-

[obtuse delta]

I mostly run 14 -15 keys .
Thank God I stopped going hardcore in wow . Burned me out over the years and now I kinda relax in raids

But it still is a nice thing to find other ways or other methods to improve the playstile
Even a little

God admit I'm thankful this discord server lives. So many things to learn
And try :D

[solid cairn]

The PUG life is always have a back up plan for when someone pull extra

[chilly brook]

@jagged pier you kill SLG already?

[jagged pier]

nope

sunday hopefully

[obtuse delta]

You guys run mythic right ?

[feral dock]

Why is hymnal such a good rated trinket? Isnt strength better than a secondary statboost? Is the effect so strong to neglect like 60ish strength?

[jagged pier]

yes

[jagged pier]

because the damage proc is stupid OP

[obtuse delta]

Isn't mythic slg the hardest boss ?

[jagged pier]

yes

[obtuse delta]

Oh damn

Only thing I can do to help Is give words of encouragement

You guys can do it !

[jagged pier]

cheers i needed that its not a fun fight at all

[obtuse delta]

Slg alone whatever difficulty isn't nice yep
But when he's done you guys have mythic basically clear

So smear that stone blood all over the ground like a true warrior my comrade!

[sick sentinel]

did they fixed sockets from bfa?

https://www.twitch.tv/hitsuwalker/clip/StrangeRelatedPterodactylSoBayed-qO1Icl8jHsF6JU-k?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

[young galleon]

how does "Safeguard work" ? does it add dmg reduction ON ME when using intervene on a ally or enemy?

[jagged pier]

on the ally

[young galleon]

okay, only worth for the higher keys i guess?

[jagged pier]

if u have a finesse slot that or rally

[orchid frigate]

yay got a new trinket so i can ditch that extremly dangerous skulkers one

killed me more than once being ported into some weird spot

like infront of tentacles in PF

[vestal moat]

What is the go to soul bind for NF prot? I’m finally gonna switch after this push week. Referring to keys.

[sturdy sable]

First strike dude is where it's at

[sweet summit]

niya with burrs or korayn with first strike

[turbid moth]

hi guyz

[vestal moat]

If I switch and play fury sometimes I guess it’s niya then for prot snd koryn for fury ?

Don’t want to constantly reslot

[sweet summit]

dont u play reverb with first strike as fury? and that works well as prot too

but nyia is good to