i got my one-hand haste versa 226 weapon
#protection
sick sentinel
as fury
I forgot i was on fury spec when i opened it
i guess i got lucky there
silk edge
I have all (220 scale tho) but what are we hoping for when opening with dps spec ?
orchid frigate
watching tettles reading ptr patch notes rn
silk edge
Dps weaps and trinkets ?
sick sentinel
I guess as DPS
phial is the best thing that you can get
from dungeons
or a weapon
jagged pier
as tank phial is an insane trinket
sick sentinel
as tank phial is an insane trinket
So Scale/Phial can be a nice combo too right
jagged pier
yer
jagged pier
like sunking trinket is only good in content where u are likely to die
like if u dont die
its a stat stick
and u may as well take something else
i.e
decante hymnal or phial
or emiiter
sick sentinel
Yeah as long as you have Scale
you can flex on the 2nd i guess
its just Scale is so insane
sick sentinel
yeah im about to start 18-19 on alt soon if i get 1-2 last items
jagged pier
like scales great but again its a defesnive trinket if u dont feel safe use it
sick sentinel
got 4k valor stored to upgrade NW ring
I pug alot and that's completely wrong. Some people suck, not most.
jagged pier
well that trinket is okay but i would rate it
for dungeons unless u stack it
it on its own is 2% vers tho
its not bad but phial and decanter emitter and hymnal will do more for you imo
jagged pier
its stupidly over tuned
sick sentinel
ah yeah true
jagged pier
like by dumb amounts
sick sentinel
like by dumb amounts
Yeah i like go 1 def always (just in case) and then depending on what i'm going to do flex a dps trinket or a more def one
just would like to have sun king just in case, my healer partner wants to dive this week to 20's asap
real orchid
Is speed stacking beneficial for the reprisal build, or is it purely a meme?
jagged pier
there is zero need to stack speed
unreal scarab
I pug alot and that's completely wrong. Some people suck, not most.
me too pugged my way up to 18s. In that area most people are good. you barely have bad players in a 17+ key but the range let me say around +6-11 is ..... an adventure. Had quite some fun grinding valor
inland raft
Well once you get yo higher keys people at least know thr mechanics so cuts out part of the variables that make bad players, so still get bad ones but a bit less
sick sentinel
yeah
also usually i just go discord with people on higher keys
despite its pug
so they tend to be way les toxic there than in chat
orchid frigate
wish there was a good way to predict how groups will be able to handle bigger pulls before you do them. guess thats something that comes with experience and pracice
lone fulcrum
Three resets and no reprisal for me 😭
lofty widget
you can run twisting corriders layer 3+ until you get upper reaches, dont have to wait for uppe reaches to actually e up
lusty pine
Dont even have to run it - you just run in and out until you get upper reaches at the starting part of Twisting corridors
lofty widget
yep
unreal scarab
meh i promissed myself to test Necrolord, NF and Kyrian as Prot warrior. But now once i playd NF i don t know if i can ever get clean from Afterschock and Burrs! It just feels so good
lusty furnace
guessing the soulbind calculator is totally scuffed on wowhead, stuff overlapping eachother. How do the new trees look on ptr, has any1 checked? Is it just new stuff at the bottom?
unreal scarab
:O!!!!
jagged pier
😆
unreal scarab
i thought you a re a Burrleaver?!
torn stump
every time you look at soulbind trees just remember, they already cost us a raid tier
just by existing
lusty furnace
Honestly Nadia with that Fatal Flaw and Sinful Preservation looks kinda juicy
sweet summit
nadjia is too strong, theotar and draven look like dogshit compared to her
i dont have enough conduit energy for that
sweet summit
is that the 3% damage increase thingy xd
lusty furnace
3%dr 3%dam 3%healing yeah
sweet summit
ya that one looks sick
ionic fern
Okay, so.
Sinful Surge doesn't provide Bolster..and also after the initial 15 seconds of Last Stand are up it doesn't benefit from Unnerving Focus either.
sweet summit
ye i reported that already as a bug
jagged pier
deft bloom
Guys the gap from 200 to 210 serms huge. Is 215 or even 220 That noticeable . I read that the gap between ilvls and stats is crazy in shadowlands
jagged pier
well as main stats is so important a 3 ilvl bump is huge
mild lintel
I’m working on Heroic Sire Denathrius:
Does my Spell Reflection 
reflect Sire Denathrius’s [Hand of Destruction] & if so, how do I do it? I’m a bit confused on how to do it.
mild lintel
Are you sure it doesn’t? :MightyHuskyCry:
sweet summit
yes
mild lintel
On of the websites you’re promoting says it does I think & I was confused about that.
sweet summit
tanknotes?
mild lintel
Yeah, tanknotes!
sweet summit
@gaunt dawn pls fix uwu
orchid frigate
i feel so lazy
jagged pier
i mean it says u can spell reflect the damage
mild lintel
Were you able to find where it says that Erga? ❤️
orchid frigate
good old pins
mild lintel
Oh, I meant like inside of the tanknotes website sorry.
sweet summit
yeah
spell reflect is mostly used as a damage reduction past p1 on hc
in p1 you spell reflect blood price
deft bloom
Is 210 enough for trying some 15s or i will be rekt
jagged pier
☝️
deft bloom
Im gonna go man mode then. And stop chicken
I feel terrible when diying without any Help gor kiting .
mild lintel
Awesome! Thank you Erga you rock!
sweet summit
ionic nimbus
9.1 Raid-Loot is a joke?
No 1h-Weapon at max-LvL
and still no haste/Versa Neck?
wtf...
sweet summit
pvp has haste/vers neck!!!
ionic nimbus
pvp, yeah.. wow.. no comment 😄
sweet summit
and why are there no weapon tokens yeah .. :(
ionic nimbus
i mean, we can have max ilvl shield, better then vDHs... with no weapon at max ilvl
But who is designing weapons at max ilvl for only 1/2 of the classes?^^
sweet summit
its still work in progress tho, i wouldnt stress about it yet
ionic nimbus
it is very early, i know, a bit of hope...
jagged pier
ewwwww
sick sentinel
ewwwww
talking about it 5 mins ago
pugged into a random sun king HC
got it with avoidance
easy
still pagoda
kindred raptor
So a while ago I learne dthat the dmg reduction from the safeguard conduit is seperate from the base intervene effect. For raid tanking, does it make sense to ask your co-tank to run a cancel aura for the base intervene effect on some filler spells or something?
sweet summit
would be nice on a few bosses yeah
signal prairie
With eh new additions to soulbinds would general Draven be viable with the new overhealing passive?
sweet summit
gonna be honest, i dont understand what that does
does it give you a shield of overhealing or something
signal prairie
I mean it still hasn't been tested yet but I would assume say you get healed with chain Harvest for 10k and you only need 2k to be topped off. I'm pretty sure is supposed to heal you for 15% of 8k over 5 seconds
signal plover
I'm gonna give everything ptr at least another week before rly diving into these effects
sweet summit
idk
round ridge
Hey guys, planning to go tank for the first time in 9.1 and I'm considering Prot Warrior. I've little experience on tanking (and with Prot I've done just few low keys on 8.3).
What's your feeling for Prot on 9.1?
signal plover
I'm still not sure if they're planning to have multiple covenant-specofic legendaries or if these will just be new memories
Only been one day of info and no supplement post from blizz
gaunt dawn
<@!236180096535363584> pls fix uwu
What am i fixing 😦
Did more stuff get made non reflect?
gaunt dawn
😡
sweet summit
inevitable*
sweet summit
thank u
kindred raptor
Is there a way to tell if the dmg reduction from Safeguard is up even if intervene is canceled?
I notice that there is no seperate buff icon
kindred raptor
Is that the same thing? The tootip in that link has a different effect than the conduit
kindred raptor
Ah ok, perfect, thanks much
mellow gorge
what average dps should i be pulling in m+? i'm runnin the wall w am and i'm sitting at 3.6/3.7k dps
signal plover
Haven't done a dungeon with wall since new reprisal went live but with AM and Wall I think you should still be able to get 4k or above.
jagged pier
seems a bit low if your running AM, but i dont understand why you would run the wall when u can run reprisal with AM increase your tankiness you gain 30secs on sheildwall cd for sure but also increase your dps by about 1000
signal plover
Depends a bit on your Ilvl, key level, group skill and pull sizes and that sort of thing
I think 4k overall is doable with wall/am
jagged pier
yer but hes running the wall with AM, even if he played poorly you would still get more dps and probably blocked hits
just because of the talents you run and the leggo its self
signal plover
With reprisal? Obviously
jagged pier
well thats my point
jagged pier
if he wasnt to run the wall and care about dps by AM then thats dumb
because with the wall you should number 1 be Bolster
so if your running AM your loosing a lot of defense
where if u just run repirsal literally just charge into every pack and intervene on cd
you will be more tanky and do more dps
signal plover
I'm not advocating this in any way, but you can run wall+am in 15s and be perfectly fine
jagged pier
true you can not play in 15s and be fine
jagged pier
talking to one of the only people that says regularly they understand 10s are hard for ppl let alone 15s
im aware they are easy for ppl like me
and not for others
but vespa didnt even speficy key level
so bringing lvl in is kind a moot point
Im saying in general it would just be better for him to run reprisal if he cares about his dps
signal plover
Depends a bit on your Ilvl, key level, group skill and pull sizes and that sort...
^
shrug just answering the question.
dull zodiac
226 overwhelming power crystal vs 184 phial of put?
jagged pier
*shrug* just answering the question.
'seems a bit low if your running AM, '
so did i 🤷
plush tendon
226 overwhelming power crystal vs 184 phial of put?
dull zodiac
i dont like the idea of crystal
with avatar
and anger management
isnt it gonna be clunk
plush tendon
you could have it for every other
haughty sleet
Boy I wish stone fist and serrated swipe were blockable
plush tendon
seems like stonks
signal plover
Stone fist not being blockable is big sad
haughty sleet
Druid co tank can take 5 stacks and be fine
dull zodiac
i know i simmed it but its hardly any difference
modern brook
smh
rapid trench
He said levels
dull zodiac
what are levels
rapid trench
226-184
rapid trench
=42
sick sentinel
Haven't done a dungeon with wall since new reprisal went live but with AM and Wa...
Can you spare a log? Can't seem to reach those numbers yet
signal plover
I just do 4 15s per week now so haven't been logging.
@jagged pier may have one around.
jagged pier
i can check old logs give me a in
signal plover
With reprisal/am/bsc it just happens passively
jagged pier
also depends if you looking in game or logs as logs does take dps off
aint got any decent logs
but this run was from before the patch i think with the wall
in mists
did 4.6k
but ive never had ingame dps = logs dps dont know what the difference is
i guess logs takes in account of running between packs where details doesnt
or somthing like that
inland raft
Details can also be thrown off a small amount just by differences of when different party members enter combat
jagged pier
but mists is a pumper dungeon
hollow silo
As tank u usually first in combat so tank details typically most accurate
jagged pier
so yer if you running am with the wall 4k seems reasonable
jagged pier
yer i know but we are talking about how much dps the wall and am should give
that run was with the wall and bolster
but its mists
so inflated numbers
so i reckon 4k
inland raft
Ya
I atill need to make both wall and seismic
Warrior is alt so only couple weeks old
Just now got reprisal to 235 last week
Though i say alt, ive been playing it waay more then my dh idk why i jumped on dh train at start warrior so much more fun
orchid frigate
been a bit lazy with my druid and only done a weekly +10, now at 210 i feel like im wastly overgeared for that
sick sentinel
I want another tank alt but the play styles seem weird. I want to like DK but I can't get around healing as mitigation as opposed to just taking less damage.
sweet summit
orchid frigate
i just wish incarn had shorter cd 🙂
sick sentinel
<:bearbear:809709571479437322>
Yeaaaaa I guess.
orchid frigate
think ill try to spice things up with some owlweaving
plush tendon
booo, go cocaine bear
orchid frigate
?
verbal ledge
what slot do i wanna craft my reprisal on? Legs for stats or boots?
unreal scarab
languid flower
I had leaper on boots already, and a spare set of boots to switch for wall. I opted to use boots just so I didn't also have to keep a spare set of pants
I'm waiting for that decision to bite me in the arse when we can equip 2 legendaries and I have to recraft the reprisal
tame jasper
gz
sand condor
o i stil have pawn
distant crystal
imagine posting it before dumping all your valor into it smh
toxic prairie
How was your guys experience getting KSM as prot? I just hit 219 last night and am going to hit the trenches
heady pollen
Guys, does weapon damage actually affect our survivability ?
jagged pier
i pugged ksm in january its fine to do
tame jasper
How was your guys experience getting KSM as prot? I just hit 219 last night and ...
until ~12 Id id only guild runs, after then I startet to go random, cause there was only one fixed grp in guild. I had to difficulties to get into 14/15 so I first pushed raider io by doing 12/&13/14 intime. After that it got easier
haughty sleet
Jakey you are progging m slg right?
jagged pier
yer
toxic prairie
gotcha, at 214 with 1200 io I could barely get accepted, hopefully it changes now
tame jasper
But many ppl out there think: Prot sucks, and doint invite your or leave wehn you are invited
haughty sleet
Are you mainly on goliaths
toxic prairie
@tame jasper gotcha, thats whay I am going to do
jagged pier
Are you mainly on goliaths
for phase 1 yer
signal plover
Samesies
toxic prairie
that sucks, because i have a few decent geared tanks my healer sdays my warrior is the easiest to heal
haughty sleet
how many stacks of fist do you feel comfortable with
jagged pier
we swap at 2 as it lines up with goliath for us but ive been to 4 pretty comfortably
signal plover
3 is doable with just an IP if you're at full HP
Never gone to 4 but SW should be enough there
haughty sleet
usually i have 6 commandos on me as well at that point
jagged pier
sadly you cant block stone fists
signal plover
Yeh
jagged pier
so 4-5 is kind of the limit
signal plover
Where u getting 6 commandos plus goliath?
jagged pier
usually i have 6 commandos on me as well at that point
yer thats usual, but i mean their melees dont do much and its not really a problem to swap at 2 there
because u ither want to ST goliath
or aoe the commandos
from what we found anyway
haughty sleet
was just curious, our druid tank can tank fists indefinitely
haughty sleet
i hate having to dump so much rage into ip to mitigate fists/swipe
signal plover
The only time you should go above 3 stacks is in P3 during the burn if you're tanking both bosses
jagged pier
so in intermission 2 for us one takes greg and the commandos so they arent aoe'd at the wrong time, and the other takes the goliath, and then we just swap at 2 because it doesnt matter where the boss is, if hes on the goliath he takes no damage anyway and if you are aoeing the commandos also doesnt matter cause he takes no damage
if that makes sense
signal plover
Tbh tho you guys should time your swaps so that you take both at the start of P3 and then druid holds til the end of fight (swap when 2nd set of skirmishers spawn in P3)
haughty sleet
yeah thats what we do
we havent gotten to p3 yet, just 9/10 orbs in i2
people dunking early or pumping commandos early
signal plover
There's basically 0 reason to go above 2 stacks in int2
haughty sleet
we actually just stopped swapping at all in p2
i just stick on skirms and goliaths until intermission
jagged pier
well i dont have a druid co tank so we cant do that
haughty sleet
lol it doesnt make sense i agree
it wasnt for that reason
hes also raid leading and it kept that phase simpler for him
astral crystal
that's what we did for our first kill too
druid took kaal, i took goliath and skirms
haughty sleet
how does your shield block uptime look on goliaths?
astral crystal
oh yeah grashaal you just swap like normal
jagged pier
i get like 70% overall
haughty sleet
do you even use it before the first feast?
ive been hanging on to it to make sure i have full uptime when he has 2-3 stacks
signal plover
I usually just roll block on the fight since stone fist isn't blockable
And I'm almost always tanking something
haughty sleet
since they do nothing before then
jagged pier
☝️
signal plover
I swear I take like no damage on the fight until P3 double boss
Unless I get sloppy and take a back hit or two during add pick up
haughty sleet
why are you taking both at the same time
jagged pier
when the other tank dies from being bad
haughty sleet
oh
signal plover
No lol
P3 plan is, one tank takes both to start, other handles skirms, then ~5 secs before second skirms, you swap both bosses (with no debuffs from either) and then tank that was on bosses takes that set of skirms off to the side
So you don't get winds anymore
astral crystal
bosses honestly melt in p3
signal plover
Yeh
astral crystal
the phase doesn't last long at all
haughty sleet
our plan in p3 is to kill 2 sets of skirms and ignore the 3rd
astral crystal
having both bosses on you isnt too big
signal plover
We just made it there clean for the first time last night and even scuffed as hell got em to 20%
If dps stops tunneling during hero and does upheaval it's a kill within I'd say 3-5 more P3 pulls
Idk why you'd waste dps on 2nd skirms in P3
haughty sleet
could have it wrong and we only kill first set
signal plover
Especially if you have a guardian that can take both bosses for basically forever in the scope of the length of the phase
astral crystal
yeah i pull out the second or third? set of skirms
other tank grabs the bosses and dps just blasts
not touching skirms
oh yeah second and third sets
deep steppe
Everyone running reprisal for it now?
for M+ yeah
haughty sleet
Meant for m slg :p
deep steppe
yeah i just scrolled up 
Wall is also very viable so
if you dont /like/ reprisal
the wall is good too
plush tendon
Real chads take seismic reverb for M SLG :p
deep steppe
so question
yes its early, yes its a quick glance and things can change blah blah blah
but Mikanikos looks kinda good for 9.1 no?
Spear Cooldown reduction, Shielding for both magic & physical, Increased damage vs single target over time
plush tendon
I think they are trying to give him some stuff to make him not as shit
deep steppe
like i like the new mikanikos stuff way more than the new pelagos stuff
plush tendon
in the end, he does suffer from the Goliath coming down and knocking everything back
which can be annoying
but I think the goal is to alleviate soulbind discrepancy cause as it stand, if you are Kyrian you are running Pelagos 99% of the time and Kleia on Necrotic weeks if you want
blazing anvil
is Prot looking like the meta in 9.05 m+?
tame jasper
sry for this stupid question
solemn magnet
is Prot looking like the meta in 9.05 m+?
No, but it's always been good
plush tendon
Too early to tell
plush tendon
sry for this stupid question
you should be able to import a character to the PTR. Unsure hows its done, but there is a way
tame jasper
When you leave (the auto opened) character creation there's a button to copy
honest plinth
No, but it's always been good
well its not true
deep steppe
well its not true
still pagoda
well its not true
feral jasper
as a kyrian tank, is it a bad idea to macro avatar with spear of bastion?
is there any situation where i'd want to avatar without spear?
hot pasture
spear can be very situational not really sure why you'd do that other than being lazy?
patent osprey
usually macroing things togeather is a bad thing to do, because there are alot of situations where you'd want to use many spells seperately
signal plover
Meant for m slg :p
I think both jakey and I run reprisal for it. Good leggo for that fight
plush tendon
The only thing that should be macroed are /say when you use a ability
signal plover
Actually not a bad idea
plush tendon
I know people who have cancel BoP on every button
distant crystal
i feel like you want to be able to t-clap and revenge while keeping bop
for those weird "let me go gather everything" situations
feral jasper
yup ^.^ if you ever want to use it to kite
i still have a separate bind for spear
distant crystal
ardenweald in DoS type stuff
feral jasper
just wondering whether there is any situation where I want to avatar without spear
signal plover
Yeah, if avatar comes off CD and you don't have spear
distant crystal
which one of those is off GCD these days
feral jasper
you don't always want to combine avatar with some heavy hitting spell?
distant crystal
avatar?
haughty sleet
Can’t decide which I like better
signal plover
Also, if you already have a second keybind for spear ..
signal plover
Outside of like charge/intervene it's generally a bad idea to macro abilities together.
You could put on use trinkets with avatar I suppose
hot pasture
Meh I’d still rather be able to use BSS on its own
signal plover
Tying spear into it just feels so unnecessary
Obviously not scale
I think I have like skulkers wing on it for like heroic carry run memes
Will do seks for phial
hot pasture
true
junior ivy
Do you guys still play wow
compact sleet
if im raid tanking should i go with a 190 wall or 235 thunderlord. i have 226 in each others slot so the only difference is the lego
plush tendon
The wall
still pagoda
twice a week
i guess i'll enjoy it more since i have a new stuff to touch 
plush tendon
Thunderlord is not great for anything realistically; and the lego power is more important then I level
plush tendon
yea, you want The Wall for raid (usually) otherwise Reprisal is where its at
compact sleet
cool ill make reprisal next for m+ tyty
languid flower
If you can only make 1 legendary, stick with reprisal
(assuming you do both mythic+ and raid content)
modern brook
Thunderlord is not great for anything realistically; and the lego power is more ...
well thats not really fair
Tlords is still really good
Its just worse than reprisal in the only content its considered in
warrior has a lot of great leggos
:/
strong forum
thats an overstatement
modern brook
Its more a comment at how many holes reprisal patches
than a comment on tlords being good or not
strong forum
id rank TL 4th now
plush tendon
modern brook
wasnt that whole movie about coming to terms with failure?
plush tendon
Point still stands!
But yes.... or something
I think he won the last race right soooo
signal plover
Wtf a @junior ivy sighting
junior ivy
Yup lol
signal plover
First Karton, now catfriend...
Da hell is goin on round here
Is nom out there recruiting
strong forum
yes
still pagoda
fresh belfry
does SimC overvalue condemn by a good margin? I usually get very close to my singletarget sim dps. switched to venthyr for fun and im like 200+ dps behind. got the impression that simc assumes the >80 and <20% phases are as long as 60-20 but the opener and execute phases are significantly shorter ?
sweet summit
not directly, no
grand trellis
How's the signet of tormented kings for prot?
strong forum
bad
mighty valley
people got baited in the first few weeks by dps mains offspecing for m+
grand trellis
I was looking to craft a dps Lego for prot. Probably Seismic reverb?
jagged pier
does SimC overvalue condemn by a good margin? I usually get very close to my sin...
in general in raiding in the game the firstt 20% and last 20% are the quickest parts of the fight
fresh belfry
yeah right and thats why i think condemn is systematically overvalued by simc
humble crow
shoulders when making the wall right?
jagged pier
yeah right and thats why i think condemn is systematically overvalued by simc
well theres also some fights dont last 5 mins or are longer than 5 mins as well and sims dont take into account u move and not hitting the boss etc
its a good base to find which is better
but you need to understand what your try to sim and how it translates to real in game situations
mighty valley
it can't really account for how your raid's overall dps, burst windows, and each encounter's specific uptime affects something like condemn
still pagoda
Is nom out there recruiting
i didn't even think of anything regarding raiding yet lul.
While you and nom meme about recruiting, I'm just leveling up my pala and planning how to catch up faster and with less frustration
signal plover
I think nom is just raid logging atm anyway lol
sweet summit
shoulders when making the wall right?
yes
languid flower
Yeah, those shoulders look pretty sweet
kinda hard to transmog around though, especially if you switch them out with reprisal
dreamy bay
got a quick question guys, to spellreflect the knockback from shattering pain, when do i have to press it? right when he starts the cast? i had it up before the cast finished and still got knocked back
denathrius p3
fresh belfry
isnt that mythic only?
dreamy bay
yes, i'm talking mythic
fresh belfry
since the mirror realm is magic damage
then its fine if its up when the cast finishes
not when it starts
dreamy bay
ok, weird, since i had it up and still got knocked
or is that only if i'm active tanking?
fresh belfry
🤔
languid flower
'cause I don't know
fresh belfry
I have to guess to because II never use it if im not his target
signal plover
Check logs too to make sure u had the buff when it knocked ya back
dreamy bay
yeah after raid
lavish oracle
Vanguard right now is 45% Stam and 100% armor from strength, right?
still pagoda
yes
and it is still such on PTR
they just moved 10% armor from rank 2 to rank 1
leveling changes, nothing else really
wanton condor
it was just codifying the DR all tanks got last patch
lavish oracle
Yeah, I understood that much, I was on the PTR yesterday looking at Vanguard to see if the values had changed aside from the new DR and they hadn't so I was confused when I saw different values on the wowhead summary
But them using rank 1 values makes sense
hot pasture
what is rank 2 and rank 1?
sweet summit
leveling perks
plush tendon
Blizzard's attempt at making leveling fun and rewarding
humble crow
thanks @sweet summit
hollow sun
😦 feels bad when someone assumes that you wanna kick him cause he is feral
plush tendon
yea, its unfortunate, but its what happens in the pug world. They look briefly at what the top players are doing, not understanding why they are doing it, and then enforce it
rigid elm
All druids are good druids.
Except ones that don't have convoke. Kick the ones that don't have convoke
fresh belfry
condemn = garbage
sweet summit
🤔
inland raft
But world #1 rio comp used this particular comp so i cant time a +2 without that exact setup
inland raft
Next your going to say you didnt play dh tank!
inland raft
“Lets do keys” “ hopping on warrior” “o i forgot i had some chores to do” lets ignore fact healer loves me on my warrior
But mage and boomie want their damage buff
Dps amirite?
inland raft
I took great pleasure in linking ptr notes to them
plush tendon
likewise
hehehe
its also funny when they try to defend their class saying its balanced
like ok dude
inland raft
“Being uncapped is fine for mage because its ground aoe, melee shouldnt get it because they can move with the mobs if tank have to kite”
Literal argument i got from my dps
Also dps when im one hp and a prayer from death and start to kite: “move the mobs back, my aoe!”
waxen cradle
so what are we thinking boys with the covenant ability changes/buffs and the leggos, I love my Kyrian and all but the whole condemn extending LS, and then on the note of that 4 second duration AA extension NFae gets also looks kind of great
plush tendon
looks like options, but honestly wouldnt take any of those legos over Reprisal at least until more testing is done
inland raft
Reprisal still way to go id say
waxen cradle
yeah true
plush tendon
Need to get to two legos already tbh
waxen cradle
As for the covenant options does anyone think the changes will tip the value of NFae over Kyrian heavily ?
plush tendon
not really
Soulbinds should be more equal I think
But Kyrian still edges NF because of dungeon buffs
other then that, good balance overall
inland raft
I did kyrian>necro>nf>kyrian>nf and sticking with nf barring major changes
But only because i have kyrian dps
Otherwise id stay kyrian
waxen cradle
I mean some already say go NFae over kyrian anyway especially in keys, but I like my spear and pot. Spear is iffy, but that pot is still super nice
plush tendon
I mean, it could all change
more dps could leave NF and go to other Covs, thus devaluing tank on Kyrian
inland raft
Also if venth pally sees nerf kyrian pally is pretty nice healing
plush tendon
in a vacuum, as of right now, relatively good balance across cov and we wont know if one drastically overtakes the other till later down development cycle
plush tendon
Also if venth pally sees nerf kyrian pally is pretty nice healing
This is something that I think will happen
inland raft
And if fire falls out of favor i think frost mages go venthyr do they not? Not sure
waxen cradle
Yeah I am also wondering how much value the Kyrian pot will see in the new raid, I mean the kyrian pot will always be nice in M+ but the raid might see a heavy shift away from cleansable debuffs via the kyrian pot or DiD racials
inland raft
So lots if moving parts so too soon to know what things will look like
plush tendon
There were a bunch of things this current raid we though Kyrian Pot would get rid of
but they made them not cleansable by Kyrian Pot, Id imagine if they do add core mechs like that in the next raid they follow the same suit
still a super strong ability though
hardy gorge
Are we looking for haste Vers for stats ??
waxen cradle
Yeah true I just wonder if they will try to shift away from Kyrian being the covenant that has that edge on cleansable debuffs, and maybe shift away from racials that grant easy cleanses, at least in raid anyway. I do not see a big shift in M+ as far as what the pot and racials can do to cleanse affects, but raid I am truly curious what there design decision there will be
For raid I try to always go Haste/Vers myself, but M+ I try and mix Haste/Vers with Crit/Haste, but I like to make things die faster as dead mobs/enemies cause me no risk of death or my group in M+
In a perfect world there would always be far more Haste/Vers gear dropping from raid than we have seen this tier. So hopefully we will see more gear itemized for Haste/Vers but time will tell
inland raft
Hopefully but i think blizzard still operates under thought process of vers being a pvp stat thus fairly rare outside of pvp
fresh belfry
but in an imperfect world you just equip ilvl on whatever you get and wont notice a real difference
tender igloo
I've been shooting for crit vers myself but yea, don't skimp on ilvl
broken mulch
on mythic sludge does it mater if me (the prot war) or my brewmaster cotank is the active tank?
tender igloo
nah
sweet summit
doesnt really matter
tender igloo
he swings on both of you
sweet summit
if you offtank you dont get 3 rage for damage taken
but thats w/e
and iff brm off tanks he doesnt get elusive brawler i think
idk
tender igloo
oh?
sweet summit
yea
flint tiger
the correct answer, is you demand you be the active tank
to assert dominance
we're warriors after all
strong forum
if you offtank you dont get 3 rage for damage taken
thats been fixed
strong forum
it legit makes no difference rightnow
sick sentinel
blizz Pog
weak dune
monks don't get elusive brawler stacks if they're OT on sludge
so they will take a lot of dmg
strong forum
you can safely charge even if your cotank doesnt pay attention to it
just gotta be quick about it
strong forum
monks don't get elusive brawler stacks if they're OT on sludge
has also been fixed.
for several weeks
weak dune
ahh ok, we killed it before then
broken mulch
yea i tried breaking my chain now but it seems impossible =p
lime urchin
so on for example this pack with flying snakes (the one where my cursor is at)
we shockwave em into a juicy spell reflect
BUT
sometimes not all of them 'reset' their casttiming, resulting into only 3 being spellreflecting, because 2 others started casting again a bit later
this does not always happen
but sometimes, and it makes me cry a little bit on the inside
am I missing a certain mechanic / thing?
or is it my timing?
should we shockwave them asap? I think I mostly wait 1-2 seconds before I shockwave
strong forum
ye you gotta wait a bit
strong forum
idk im starting to like having a bit of mastery
so you can actually critblock
ykno
strong forum
eww
mellow gorge
i just want haste vers
lime urchin
what, vers? is this 8.3 all over again?
hot pasture
vers pog
strong forum
vers is for bussies and 23+s
hot pasture
vers is for my sorry ass and i dont wanna hear it
hot oxide
I seem to be getting nothing but critical and Mastery gear
But it’s like 5+ i lvl
So gotta use it
tender igloo
leave the mastery, take the crit
lime urchin
I wish I pushed high enough so stats would matter 😦
lime urchin
any more input on the shockwave > spell reflect thingy I posted above?
strong forum
honestly i kinda want all stats and a focus on haste
i want critblock cuz it makes us actually so fucking tanky when you have high mastery
i want crit cuz dmg
weak dune
take this with a grain of salt, but mobs only recast immediately if you stun them while casting
(some mobs)
strong forum
vers i kinda dont care about
weak dune
so you need to wait for them to start casting venom
hot oxide
Vers is 20+ right?
hot pasture
vers cause i dont trust people to interrupt shit
strong forum
23+++ imo
hot pasture
or pug healers tbh
hot pasture
some of us dont have an option
hot oxide
I don’t
lime urchin
I made a nice list of friends that I met in le pugging adventures that I do now m+ with
iron forum
Y'all who pug m+ are real heros
lime urchin
but boy you need to be able to handle a massive amount of shit
hot oxide
I basically haft to out gear the mythic by 5-10
light thicket
Y'all who pug m+ are real heros
You spelled masochists wrong
iron forum
You spelled masochists wrong
Little bit of both
I dps for my m+ team but I'm really enjoying tanking and want to practice, but pugging high keys is awful and I feel like low keys aren't even helpful for learning
I definitely respect tanks who pug 20+
strong forum
its actually the other way around
light thicket
At that lvl
strong forum
the higher you go the better pugging i
light thicket
Ppl are actually good
tender igloo
^
light thicket
Yeah what nom said
strong forum
anything below 20 is where people suck ass
and especially at 15s you will get the cream ofthe crop
fresh belfry
its still annoying because you must talk with strangers. i have no issue pugging as dps or healer but as tank everyone expects you to think for them
unreal scarab
i feel like spear feels a little lackluster compared to ancient aftershock. but i guess i m just so used to it now
light thicket
But not actually knowing shit aboit the dungeon
Or not caring
Not sure which one is it
fresh belfry
no i mean even in high keys. apperently tanks are the only people able to assign interupts
or call them
strong forum
yes
iron forum
Eh, people are better but the coordination required is also much higher
Like plaguefall is the easiest key on the game for my group, but I dread pugging it
strange lintel
If I had a guild team that can try to run 15s and not wipe 5 minutes in then proceed to blame everything but themselves constantly. I would not run pugs
tender igloo
yea you need to find a pug or two you enjoyed playing with and latch onto them like a parasite until they can't live without you
fresh belfry
im already calling all CCs and utility. why cant a melee take care of interupts
tender igloo
if you dont have a group you can get in comms with
iron forum
Because you're chosing to do that. I call all cc's and strats for my group so our tank can focus
hot oxide
I saw a mythic asking for a dk or druid tank today. I understand the druid, but the dk blew my mind a bit
strong forum
Because you're chosing to do that. I call all cc's and strats for my group so ou...
sure so would i as DPS, but its beyond rare
there are always exceptions
light thicket
Like plaguefall is the easiest key on the game for my group, but I dread pugging...
I did a 15 plaguefall
tender igloo
if you aren't at the highest level of gameplay you can bring any tank imo
fresh belfry
nah man cant have a dps make a judgement call when to place ae stuns or treants or vortex or w/e
tender igloo
some require more skill
light thicket
And i never stepped foot in there again
fresh belfry
sd lowkey good dungeon and not as hard as people suggest it is
tender igloo
I agree
strong forum
youre cursed
light thicket
I kinda liked it actually
strange lintel
Its good then you throw people in the gauntlet and they lose 5 minutes freaking out and not time it
tender igloo
skip janitor and the pack of three after 3rd boss, make up trash in prison cells. ez clap
iron forum
nah man cant have a dps make a judgement call when to place ae stuns or treants ...
Tank calls when he wants trees or help kiting is best yeah, but I am always calling out kicks/ cc/ aoe stops and general strats throughout the key, if you're playing with a group I highly recommend asking a dps or the healer to step up
hot oxide
I did SD on my DH +7, it was fun and we had 10 mins to spare.
tender igloo
still not bad imo.
light thicket
On the other hand i detest the "lol posion/disease everywhere dungeon"
strange lintel
Last boss in tyrannical laughs
strange lintel
Second maybe
hot oxide
I’m noticing a lot of dps doing to shades
strange lintel
First is a joke
iron forum
Last.boss is only nasty if no one dodged any bleeds from my experience
hot oxide
Pissed my healer of bad
strong forum
first is only a joke if you can 1 phase him
hot oxide
Off
fresh belfry
Grand Proctor Beryllia: I hereby decide to arbitrarily cast Endless Torment thrice in a row
iron forum
I’m noticing a lot of dps doing to shades
They reduced their melee range from 8(?) To 3 yards
light thicket
Last boss didnt particularly hurt
iron forum
Spiteful is very easy now
iron forum
The only annoying thing about spiteful is it makes it harder to skip prides
light thicket
That fking castigation
strange lintel
Warrior dying to beryllium tho that's hard
light thicket
As a dps
iron forum
That fking castigation
Just play ally, everyone is night elf and can meld it
light thicket
And as the tank when the fking havoc dh wont move
iron forum
hot oxide
They reduced their melee range from 8(?) To 3 yards
They think they can tank and kill it solo
iron forum
Idk what pugging is like, but as a melee dps spiteful went from an awful, horrible unfun affix to free first strike procs with very little downside
hot oxide
I haven’t run into a dps yet that hasn’t booked it when a shade spawns
iron forum
When they reduced their melee range
sweet summit
spiteful isnt that terrible as a melee dps imo
strange lintel
Spite is w.e
iron forum
Yeah not anymore
hot oxide
Hows next week mythic affixes?
strange lintel
Chase> stormbolt and dps
hot oxide
Melees dying to spiteful and complaining about healing
THIS
iron forum
Does that actually happen in pugs
hot oxide
A lot
strange lintel
Cant heal two~one shots
light thicket
Does that actually happen in pugs
You have no idea
iron forum
You have no idea
I honestly don't and I'm glad I don't lol
hot oxide
I seriously thought maybe they pulled a mob off me
strange lintel
How to deal with spiteful > don't be retarded > get a weak auras > die anyways
hot oxide
How to deal with spiteful > don't be retarded > get a weak auras > die anyways
Lmfao, I asked if someone had a mdt route today. I got a “what’s MDT” as a response. It was a fun run.
strange lintel
Jokes aside you just built out as soon as you get the way warning lol. Pop pierson's on the way out
Piersing
strange lintel
Lmfao, I asked if someone had a mdt route today. I got a “what’s MDT” as a respo...
/Leave group
First thing I ask is "pls share map"
mighty valley
barely anyone in my guild has MDT, but like, they're good and I know they're good
another day of not pug life
hot oxide
I like to see other routes honestly. Unless 6 and under, I yolo it
strange lintel
At one point you just remember the routes but in pugs no mdt no run lol
hot oxide
Except*
mighty valley
sub-10 you can basically pull everything in front of you in any order and be fine
strange lintel
Yep
Honestly if it wasn't cuz prideful you could still do the same
Get percent stealth the fuck away
mighty valley
I hope next season's affix is a little less route-specific? we'll see
strange lintel
Was like that on bfa besides like last mythic season cuz pillars
fathom jacinth
Trying to pick me covenant for warrior. I would be swapping between all 3 spec but mostly tanking keys. Feels like all covenant are kinda good am I wrong?
mighty valley
Trying to pick me covenant for warrior. I would be swapping between all 3 spec b...
yeah they all have their pros and cons, you can pick for vibes and be fine
inland raft
My issue with mdt in pugs is i dont really have pug routes olanned saved and my notkap routes woth group are 100% failures if try doing them with pugs
mighty cairn
if you’ll be mostly pugging kyrian/nf are both really solid and fun in different ways
quaint onyx
Fleshcraft was the only thing I liked about necro. Banner felt meh but I mostly pug anyway
strange lintel
Dat upcoming banner leggo tho
quaint onyx
Yea I hope the new leggos are/stay good for most specs. But I think it will be hard to move away from reprisal for prot m+
I like it too much
strange lintel
I'm still being super lazy and using the wall cuz fuck torghast
fathom jacinth
would you guys say necro and nf are the best 2 cov for tanking keys?
sturdy sable
would you guys say necro and nf are the best 2 cov for tanking keys?
Kyrian and NF
clever bronze
I went with Spike, because I'd prefer the damage and healing over 7% haste that requires me to stand in a field. I don't particularly enjoy forced positioning mechanics while tanking, and I don't like losing uptime for that reason.
unreal scarab
Are the new legendary already readable somewhere :)? Can’t find them but you keep mentioning them? Or is it just speculation because they will synergize with the covenant abilities :)?
unreal scarab
Played 4 dungeons now with Spear. Feels also nice to be fair! I still think that aftershock with burr takes more damage but it is both very fun and interactive to play :).
Ach cheers mate
unique shale
ok i have this problem with some of healers in 18 keys
they don’t heal yet dpsing all of time lead to my death most of time
idk should i just be spider boy jumping around to stay alive or just stack mobs so dps can clave  them 
languid flower
I'm of the opinion that if your healer is dpsing, you haven't pulled enough mobs.
Of course, I know I'm wrong in particular scenarios (presumably like +18s), but in the general sense, I feel that it holds.
distant crystal
some pulls just aren't that hard to heal but also about as big as you can reasonably pull
and other times a single pull has them bombing heals nonstop cause it's a hard one and/or tank is paper
short kiln
distant crystal
well yeah mists maze is kinda special in that regard :p
unique shale
i have this problem mostly with hpala and shamans
still pagoda
I'm of the opinion that if your healer is dpsing, you haven't pulled enough mobs...
Also depends on the healer. Some specs still make you stand and use your damage spells(disc and holy pala as many offenders on that, but their throughput is related to this DPS in a way, especially for disc)
Just DPSing while your group dies is a sign of a dumb healer
lusty pine
Fleshcraft was the only thing I liked about necro. Banner felt meh but I mostly ...
Lol I legit used banner only to run faster D=
chilly pulsar
Hello! Does anyone here play as tank and dps at the same rate, being that guy that tanks when the main is off?
I'd like suggestions for covenant choices regarding this playstyle.
IMO Kyrian has only 1 soulbind that it's useful and it's such a bummer to keep changing conduits every time due to cooldown
Even with this in consideration, I'd take Kyrian as a choice
unique shale
Hello! Does anyone here play as tank and dps at the same rate, being that guy th...
either go venthyr or night fea
prot covenants doesn't matter a lot
quaint onyx
Hello! Does anyone here play as tank and dps at the same rate, being that guy th...
is great if you are playing fury/prot. I run Korayn soulbind for both of those specs in m+ without swapping conduits. I use the covenant specific one as the only potency slot and take first strikes
unique shale
whats everyone running? Stalwart, Unnerving?
yes
opal salmon
Gotcha
frail orchid
Do you acutally condemn as prot if you're venth?
errant oriole
question idk if u guys read 9.1s notes but did it look like ... battleshout is being turned into an anime power?
median tulip
question idk if u guys read 9.1s notes but did it look like ... battleshout is b...
I suspect there's some fuckery going on where there's going to be an anima power that affects Battleshout, and someone has applied a wrong changed. It's a Beta, don't worry too much about minor stuff.
median tulip
Do you acutally condemn as prot if you're venth?
In Single Target, yes. It's good damage and the suppression rider is nice.
I hit Sludgefist with it for 25k earlier.
unique shale
Do you acutally condemn as prot if you're venth?
For single target you always condenm cause it gives huge single target damage with minor Ignore pain along with it 
tawdry dirge
if u run the wall in raids whats ya avarage SB uptime? (non progress bosses)
ionic fern
if u run the wall in raids whats ya avarage SB uptime? (non progress bosses)
Enough not to die.
ionic fern
But just grab a random log and check where they are at. 🙂
jagged pier
depending on boss as your running AM i wouldnt expect it to be high
sullen valve
Daily reminder @ionic fern has a beautiful soul.
he is very smart and kind man
<3
jagged pier
ionic fern
Daily reminder <@!238357283996696576> has a beautiful soul.
he is very smart an...
Making me blush early morning.
ionic fern
Adapt and overcome.
solar crown
Wouldnt ITF be better if you need more SB uptime? ^_-
If you need to survive i would suggest ITF and bolster
unique shale
not if you have big haste
tawdry dirge
what is big haste :D?
sweet summit
even then, more haste=higher SB uptime 🤔
unique shale
run reprisal
solar crown
Sure, but if you have 900 hate you might not struggle with SB uptime to begin with
haste*
tawdry dirge
also its not about struggle its more about getting an feeling about numbers,.. since i am pretty new to warrior
solar crown
Might be he meant shield wall tbh, since he said he used 'the wall'.
tawdry dirge
never raided with one yet and now i am testing it as we run alt raids
sweet summit
ok so the thing about shield block is we dont really care about raw uptime
we care about blocked hits
which basically means uptime when boss is hitting you
tawdry dirge
ah okay so iits not like on a pala where u care about Sotr uptime
solar crown
True true 🙂 Shield block uptime is not that relevant, effective uptime is more what you should aim for. Like, you dont pop sb when you are not actively tanking
what erga said
unique shale
indeed
sweet summit
if i look at a sludge log i have here
i had 69.5% raw uptime
but i blocked every single melee/giant fists (except for one )
sweet summit
reprisal is better on sludge
jagged pier
^^
u get like 1 more shield wall at the start where is doesnt really matter with the wall
as you run AM with reprisal anyway
tawdry dirge
hmm interessting yeah
unique shale
hmm interessting yeah
prot war is interesting tank class go read on shield reflects
tawdry dirge
where in logs can i find my blocks from SB?
sweet summit
click urself -> damage taken -> mouse over melee hits
tawdry dirge
yeah its totaly interessting and feels like way more tanky then my pala
solar crown
Pallys are the least tanky class though
sweet summit
so like here
unique shale
pala 100% to 20% in 4 sec
oblique garnet
but i blocked every single melee/giant fists (except for one <:sadge:82020236335...
Noober
tawdry dirge
sadly yes and Sotr is kinda like holding a sheild made out of paper
sweet summit
tawdry dirge
thanks erga
what potencys you run for m+ and what for raids?
guess the covent one is kinda set in stone or?
sweet summit
covenant specific one as long as youre not venthyr
and if you run double potency, SoF in m+ and Ashen in raid
tawdry dirge
fair thats what i thought
oblique garnet
Daily reminder late is also a great person like mwahi
👋 Long time no see
sullen valve
it really has been a long time
oblique garnet
Been away from tanking for too long
Now i just get tilted when tanks troll in keys
sullen valve
i feel that... but from the healing pov
I healed some bear the other day that didn't keep up defensives or use frenzy and flamed me for him dying 
gaunt dawn
what has late done for me lately tho