protection

[strange lintel]

if the player finds 15s stressful then theres not much you can do.

dont think there are any tools that work without the players concenting into learning and " getting gud "

[honest plinth]

And i dont think its Should. Sounds like a broken thing coz you can spam condemn for? 100 sec sb?

[strange lintel]

shield block isnt 100% dmg inmunity tho

at best is 30% dmg reduction and you gonna need most of your rage to even pull it off

[honest plinth]

laughing

[strange lintel]

like if it was 100% dmg reduction while its active as long as youre condemning yeah. shits broken but its not lol

[honest plinth]

We have reprisal you get 4 sec sb for each charge ans intervene

They have cd you know

And you think that 4 sec of sb each time you press condemn is ok

Weeeeeeell

Its not

[cinder nova]

I got a 220 Phial and a 226 Decanter of Anima-Charged Winds. Think a 226 Anime is worth picking up from GV?

It's either that or upgrading my shitty 213 shoulders to 220

I'm thinking 220

[sick sentinel]

sim the trinkets maybe? i mean haste has some defensive benefit too, but i have a 207 phial that sims higher than my 220 anime

[cinder nova]

Well a 226 Phial is almost better than a 233 Dreadfire

so

I have been farming TOP for 4 weeks for shoulders

I think I'm gonna take shoulders

[floral pewter]

with a 213 shield, I block 37% of incoming damage, or 74% on a crit block, so that's roughly as much mitigation as shield wall

SB uptime is a big deal

especially as mastery increases

[unique shale]

ptr changes looks cool for venthyr prot

fatal flaw look op

[hot oxide]

I'm wondering how this is going to change Prot warrior

[unique shale]

more damage

and defensive

for 10sec

sinful surge: "Condemn extends the duration of Last Stand by 4 sec"

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-andy-dwyer-chris-pratt-jaw-drop-shocked-gif-4421172

if this also extend Unnerving Focus and SB along with last stand its going to be super op

[hot oxide]

might switch to venth, draven seems amazing as prot anyway

[unique shale]

nobody using draven in m+

maybe raid

[hot oxide]

doesn't mean it can't happen

little bit ago, +25 was thought to not be achievable by prot warr, and here we are

[sturdy sable]

Yeah that still doesn't make draven a good soulbind

[unique shale]

10% damage reduction look good but more healing done not

[hot oxide]

we dont know what the rest of 9.1 holds, I'll wait and see before I pass full judgement

[unique shale]

get cirt or versa for more healing done plus versa give damage reduction by good amount

that's why fatal flaw look so good

[queen mantle]

when does vers outweight haste in keys? like wat lvl of keys

[unique shale]

20+

[plush tendon]

Draven is a trap for most people

unless you need the extra EHP, then not worth

[strange lintel]

i use draven cuz nadjia is taken for dps

teotar last row in ptr is such a joke

[unique shale]

haste , Exacting Preparation and Dauntless Duelist are defensive and offensive

draven offer nothing just pure defensive

[plush tendon]

even that is debatlable XD

[unique shale]

well tell how draven can be offensive

[hot oxide]

He has 2 potency slots!!!

i think?

[unique shale]

XD

prot potencys are trash beside show of force

and thunder clap hit for wet needle still even with show of force

[plush tendon]

I was debating if he even was defense XD

you almost get better defensive throughput from Nadjia or Theotar

[dapper coral]

Is there any rhyme or reason to how denathrius teleports? I know he does based on distance but on pull it feels inconsistent

[unique shale]

struggling on sire HC ?

[dapper coral]

nah, trying to get a consistent position for p1 M Denny

[unique shale]

what is co tank class

[dapper coral]

literally just talking about on pull lol

[cinder pasture]

I've found he usually teleports if I taunt right as I charge.....That's on HC though, not sure if it's different on M

[unique shale]

on pulls it always goes behind me

[dapper coral]

tried gaming that, be he just teleport in front of me

[dusky mica]

Wake me up when they add a Bastion of Might conduit.

[clever bronze]

Thanks

[unique shale]

we are talking about venthyr not other covenants potency lol

[sweet summit]

what

[sweet summit]

10% crit every time you interrupt is pretty damn strong offensively

[cinder nova]

Erga

Thoughts on the new leggos so far?

[sweet summit]

yo

uhhh

condemn increases LS duration one?

[cinder nova]

Any of them, but yeah mostly LS and Necro

NF seems kinda meh

[sweet summit]

i only saw the venthyr one

it looks cool

[cinder nova]

It seems strong, but we don't have any CDR on LS

Outside of Bolster

So I'm kinda wondering if it'll be worth

The Necro one looks more competitive tbh

NF one looks genuinely unimpressive as far as legendaries go

[sweet summit]

oh no

the necro one looks insane

ogh n

a

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[hollow bolt]

Yeah i saw it

foooking that 3% damage after 35 % 2

[sweet summit]

the what

[cinder nova]

I'm genuinely curious to see if the Necro legendary sims so hard that it's too good to pass on now

Because it might produce more DPS if we can keep it rolling

[sweet summit]

im more focused on the fact that you buff an additional ally

[cinder nova]

I mean, yeah that's nuts

[sweet summit]

than the fact that you can extend it

[cinder nova]

The extension is still big. One IP is 2s

ShB is 1.5s

[oblique garnet]

Im not sure if we have strong enough rage gen to sustain it as prot

[sweet summit]

yeah ^

[cinder nova]

I mean, UF and throwing LS can produce absurd amounts of rage

[sweet summit]

can probably extend it by a few seconds

[oblique garnet]

Yes but in ST your rage gen isnt as strong as it was in bfa

[sweet summit]

dont forget that banner also generates a good amount of rage tho, late

its what 60 rage?

[unique shale]

Reprisal lego help alot

[waxen cradle]

the new choices for Covenant leggos and the changes to covenants in general definitely sparks my interest

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but the legendary removes that as an option

[waxen cradle]

that whole condemn extending LS @_@

[oblique garnet]

You cant have both covenant specific and reprisal at the same time

[unique shale]

we don't know still we can wear two lego or not

[sweet summit]

we do

we cant in 9.1

they confirmed that afaik

[unique shale]

😦

[cinder nova]

It sounds good, but probably not as nice as it seems considering LS isn't up a lot for it to really matter.

And if you're speccing Bolster that's a pretty big DPS loss

I guess it'd be nice to offset that but

kinda niche

[unique shale]

we have wall,Reprisal and Covenant leggos which make everything complex

now we have to have one lego for m+ and raid

[mighty valley]

4s is quite a lot, and on normal fights the condemn phases don't last THAT long

with the LS rage conduit, you can slam a lot of condemns

[unique shale]

y

it is super good on raid and tyrannicidal weeks

[sweet summit]

i doubt you take LS extend over reprisal in m+ regardless of affixes

[unique shale]

i not even using reprisal in m+ yet

still adopting to reprisal in low keys

[cinder nova]

Reprisal is pretty easy to use

[unique shale]

yeah but i have to stop relaying on 5 more rage on SS

[toxic prairie]

It took me a few run s to get kicking with reprisal, now that I got it I am loving it

[cinder nova]

Honestly it instantly clicked for me. It seems pretty intuitive and feels kinda imba tbh

Just intervene your rogue and leap out to charge or just wait for an AOE CC or cast to charge back in.

Or kite and target the mob in the back of the pack and be quick about swinging around so you don't get donkey punched into the ground on Fort weeks

It's harder to use if you have a full caster comp, but full caster isn't meta anyway, I don't think. Most groups use RMD + Hpal and DH, but you can easily get away with the same comp using a Warr.

[unique shale]

anybody have log that show much lightlessforce is on their overall damage ?

[sweet summit]

~3%

[unique shale]

idk sinful or lightless force

[sweet summit]

lightless is better than sinful in aoe sinful is better on ST

[waxen cradle]

I went Celestial Guidance because of doing more keys

[unique shale]

but if you do more damage on primary target it will be less damage reduction on enemy behind 5

can i sim that

[sweet summit]

if it procs on the right target, sure

thats the issue with sinful in aoe

it can proc on any target you hit

[unique shale]

i think i have to run some dung to see lightless force value on aoe damage

[potent anvil]

iirc lightless is capped at 5, right? I forget what it says on the tooltip, could be wrong. Celestial guidance imo is better. Gives defensive value due to primary stat gain.

[sweet summit]

its capped at 5, yeah

[unique shale]

i want more aoe damage this week since i am venthyr

[honest plinth]

Convenant doest matter. If you want more overall you use lightless.

[sweet summit]

u can sim it tho

[unique shale]

[honest plinth]

You cant sim m+ runs. These patchwerk 40s 5 targets.... Meh

[potent anvil]

Yeah, lightless will give you more overall damage. It's aoe. I'm just suggesting CG because it's more balanced.

[unique shale]

500k/800k damage with spear and night fea on aoe

[honest plinth]

So?

[unique shale]

so convenant matter

[honest plinth]

It doesnt in terms of enchant

[waxen cradle]

Yeah I had Lightless proc at the worst times for me when it was virtually useless to me in keys and was not in need of it so I decided screw that

[obtuse delta]

From what I know
Melee attack speed increase enchant isn't in shadow lands rite?

[honest plinth]

Want more overall dmg(in m+) enchant lightless simple as that. If you dont want or dont need more overall use something else.

[sweet summit]

its not, no

[honest plinth]

Pretty sure they are rppm

[obtuse delta]

sad autohit rage generation warrior noise

[sweet summit]

👉 #arms

[honest plinth]

You cant even play the game if you are not venthyr as arms.sad story

[sweet summit]

not true

[obtuse delta]

Im a kyrian warrior with all three talent trees

It kinda works

[honest plinth]

Well ye sorry. You can collect pets still.

[obtuse delta]

Just spear a pet
Your mine now !

[unique shale]

i feel like i don't need into the fray in raid is it really necessary ?

[sweet summit]

as venthyr u go ravager everywhere

[unique shale]

cool

kind of felt like something is wrong

[pure sphinx]

quick question what prot leggo should i use for sludge fist prog

[sweet summit]

reprisal

[pure sphinx]

ight sick

what is the wall good for?

[sick sentinel]

so PTR patch notes, we get a stamina and armor nerf, while DH gets an invulnerability buff. all is well !

[hot pasture]

?

[weak dune]

was there a nerf?

[unique shale]

what

[weak dune]

pretty sure it was just tooltip updates for the 10% buff

[hot pasture]

Yeah I didn’t see shit lol

[sick sentinel]

Protection
Vanguard Hardened by battle, all damage taken is reduced by 10%, your Stamina is increased by 25%, and your armor is increased by 60% of your Strength. Warrior - Protection Spec. Warrior - Protection Spec.

on live its +45% health and +100% armor

[hot pasture]

How is that a nerf?

[sweet summit]

thats just rank 2

combined its unchanged

[still pagoda]

Just another leveling change i guess

Blizz tried to tune vanguard lvl1 and 2 ever since beta due to how much it impacts comfortability of the spec for complete newbies spamming dungs

[unique shale]

why they keep buffing dh

it doesn't make sense

[hot pasture]

Brain dead classes are what blizz likes

[unique shale]

leave it to be and buff other tank

[still pagoda]

As if anything makes even a slight kind of sense

[unique shale]

at this rate dh will be more tanky to physical damage then pala nad war

[honest plinth]

What is the buff?

[sweet summit]

calling pala tanky when bears exist 👀

[hot pasture]

Nothing is official in any of this yet so

[still pagoda]

They usually look at performance across all levels of play. Sometimes low level performance is so garbage thanks to brainlets that class gets consecutive buffs despite not needing them

[unique shale]

more damage and magic reduction

[honest plinth]

Magic reduction... Im pretty sure its in game allrdy

They changed tatoos

Its like ours 10%

They are in patch notes

[unique shale]

Can we get tatoos and get less damage

[honest plinth]

And idk about more damage dh is very good in terms of dmg rn. Can somebody link a source of it

[sweet summit]

with spb?

[honest plinth]

Who is running spb? :)

[sweet summit]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GNMxF9WcQTRprgkD/#fight=last&type=damage-done

just one key but thats the only vdh log i have from dungeons xd

[median tulip]

Is there a link with the info on new warrior legendaries in the 9.1 PTR build? (i checked the pins)

[sweet summit]

#news

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/spell-soulbind-and-class-changes-for-patch-9-1-ptr-build-38312-321828

[median tulip]

Thank you

Hmmm. a Sinful Surge/Bolster/Unnerving Focus build is a concept to explore

[ionic fern]

Explore it but expect a nerf.

[median tulip]

Of course. We're not allowed fun things

[patent osprey]

Seismic rules 🙂

[ionic fern]

[brittle owl]

seismic makes my jimmies rustle

[jagged pier]

new Vanguard

[strong forum]

"New"

[real orchid]

20/25 haste vers or 25/20, looking to optimze for m20 keys

[jagged pier]

well another 10% DR if it goes live, k thnks now i dont even need to care about damage

[strong forum]

It's just a tooltip fix

Pretty sure

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

Jep, seems they provided it to R1 Vanguard.

[strong forum]

Pretty sure the 10% is just getting moved from rank 2 vanguard to rank 1 vanguard

[ionic fern]

^

[jagged pier]

morning 🧠 not caught up yet

[unique shale]

i know seismic pulling some sick numbers that's why idk should i make R5 Reprisal or Seismic

[ionic fern]

I'm still using 210 Reprisal..

Just make Seismic.

😒

[unique shale]

i have both reprisal and seismic but R1

[ionic fern]

That's already a win.

Now free yourself of Torghast.

[jagged pier]

looks like im better than Plka

[unique shale]

lol

[strong forum]

This image is clearly doctored

The warri doesn't even have a name!

[jagged pier]

no no it was 5.6k but it wasnt a 23

same dungoen tho

[strong forum]

For all we know this could also just be a bad fury!!

Don't believe his lies people!

[jagged pier]

prot symbol next to bar

🤔

[still pagoda]

These dps

[strong forum]

Doctored

I tell you

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

[still pagoda]

More like scuffed due to DPS being bad, but whatever

[unique shale]

[jagged pier]

[still pagoda]

[still pagoda]

The tale of prot with 100k dps in FH usually started with the same words and bad dps players

[jagged pier]

they werent bad players actually well maybe they were it was a 15

[unique shale]

that was NW dung

[jagged pier]

it was mists

[still pagoda]

Well, 15. Undergeared then

[jagged pier]

mists is the pumper dungeon

[unique shale]

boosting

[still pagoda]

Actually, leveling is pretty fast now

Really-really fast as far as i see

[jagged pier]

nah if it were a boost there would only be 2 dps i just run 14/15s to fill my 10 for the week

[still pagoda]

Yeye, there're surely many undergeared or not minmaxed peeps in 15's

[strong forum]

Tfw a 186 monk can do over 5k dps in m+

[still pagoda]

Absolutely normal

[strong forum]

I know cuz I've seen it happen just yesterday

[jagged pier]

yes Nome if they are good, but thats like 1% of the player base

[strong forum]

Idk

[unique shale]

it is still bugy

[strong forum]

It's still buggy but god damn SCK slaps

[unique shale]

[still pagoda]

Also, glimmerdin feels really fast even with 14% haste

[unique shale]

between Fueled by Violence and Brutal Vitality which one is better ?

[strong forum]

Brutal vit is 6% leech when IP is up
Fueled by violence is 2% leech but perma

Pick your poison, they both suck

[still pagoda]

I still remember the hype around brutal vit. Never understood it tbh

Leech is leech

[unique shale]

hmm i guess i have to invade my dps conduits to don't pick third endurance

[jagged pier]

i never understood the hype about conduits they all suck

[strong forum]

This

[still pagoda]

LS one

But they still all suck

[unique shale]

life is hard

[still pagoda]

But you better be more

[shrewd copper]

anyone here on SARGERAS?

[unique shale]

Get ready for vault of disappointment in 15min

[hardy gorge]

What’s a good lego to craft for m+

[ionic fern]

Reprisal / THe Wall.

[unique shale]

Reprisal

👆

[shrewd copper]

reprisal

[hardy gorge]

Is that rework one for SB

[hardy gorge]

Perfect thank you going to try an push for KSM as prot. Hunter life is hard to get into groups with

[ionic fern]

Since when? 👀

FOTM dps'ers.

[unique shale]

lol

This comment made my day

[hardy gorge]

Well there’s to many hunters with better IO”s pug life is hard

[unique shale]

i thought FOTM classes have it easier to pug

[hardy gorge]

What’s FOTM lol

[ionic fern]

Flavour of the Month.

[hardy gorge]

Ohhhjj

[ionic fern]

The "meta" DPS'ers at current time like mages/hunters etc are "fotm" .

[still pagoda]

Depends. Pugging is cancer no matter fotm or not

[lavish oracle]

are hunters still fotm?

[jagged pier]

i dunno pugging okay tbh if u get high enough the toxic level is 15-18 atm

[sweet summit]

they're good but not meta

[jagged pier]

19s up ppl seem to be okay

[still pagoda]

The 3k io trap i smell

[ionic fern]

What are meta DPS'ers even right now?
I thought it's still hunters/mages.

😂

[sweet summit]

gl getting 3k io

[lavish oracle]

I don't know if I've seen that many super toxic players in the 15-18 range but I might just be good at screening them

[sweet summit]

mage/ele/boomkin/rogue

[jagged pier]

Boomkin mage hunter ele

[ionic fern]

Ele?

WUt

[jagged pier]

and a dh for the buff

[ionic fern]

Never seen one.

[sweet summit]

mate

ele

[jagged pier]

yer

[sweet summit]

is

fucking

nuts

[jagged pier]

ele pumps

[lavish oracle]

Ele's good

[ionic fern]

I have seen 0 Elementals.

Must be an alliance thing.

[lavish oracle]

I don't know if it's FotM

[sweet summit]

Ginger is playing ele

[unique shale]

i see mostly toxic people at 10 and 15 range

[lavish oracle]

secretly bops

[still pagoda]

Yeye, just that this range might be like 8.3's 19-22

[sweet summit]

and he is actually doing damage

[still pagoda]

[jagged pier]

i have a 215 one with 210 leggos and do the same damage as like 226 ppl

its insane

[ionic fern]

You say that as if i would know who that is. 😦

[sweet summit]

gingerdruid..?

[ionic fern]

?

[sweet summit]

did u not raid with him back in the day

[ionic fern]

Oooh

That dude

[sweet summit]

yah

[lavish oracle]

how much damage are other warriors doing in like 17-18 keys?

[unique shale]

between 5 and 6k dps

[lavish oracle]

3.5-4.5k? maybe 5k in mists and wake?

[jagged pier]

4-5.4k depending on dungeon

[lavish oracle]

6k seems nutty

maybe if I were doing most of the weapons in wake

[ionic fern]

And i wanted to level my Shaman but if they are meta now then i won't. 😦

[unique shale]

Get ready for vault of disappointment in 5min

[still pagoda]

As if this is a problem

[jagged pier]

i lvled mine before it was meta im safe

[still pagoda]

I'm playing a fucking holy paladin of all specs now

[ionic fern]

That's meta, no?

That and RestoShaman?

[still pagoda]

Don't care, i just like the gameplay

Imma push as high as i can once i get back on track anyway

[orchid frigate]

some months into the expansion and i must say that i miss some of the BFA dungeons 😦

[unique shale]

no

[jagged pier]

GET OUT

[ionic fern]

I like BfA dungeons also. 😦

[unique shale]

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, everyone shit talks BfA dungeons but some of them were like peak M+

[orchid frigate]

mhm

[still pagoda]

BfA dungeons were pretty comfy once you got how they work

[lavish oracle]

Freehold is still the undisputed champ of dungeon design to me

[orchid frigate]

yupp

[unique shale]

i hated shrine of storm

[orchid frigate]

waycrest, mechagon was also nice

[lavish oracle]

Waycrest was fun but it had some problems

[jagged pier]

more like snorehold am i right

[sweet summit]

underrot 🥵

[still pagoda]

AD IN HIGH KEYS

[orchid frigate]

yeah like all indoor dungeons :/

[lavish oracle]

Underrot was the pinnacle of a linear dungeon

[still pagoda]

[unique shale]

worse dung siege of boralus change my mind

[jagged pier]

ZUL mob

that is all

[lavish oracle]

Siege and KR were stinkers

[orchid frigate]

yeah not on my fav list

ooh i read good things about ele

nice that im leveling a shammy atm

heard that they dont scale very good tho?

[sweet summit]

scaling isnt a thing

[orchid frigate]

it isnt?

[sweet summit]

no lol

[orchid frigate]

hear it a lot

[sweet summit]

mightve been a thing in tbc or something

idk

[unique shale]

want to smash my head to something

[ionic fern]

MEAT

HOOK

SO you can suicide into frontals.

[orchid frigate]

was fun the period in BFA were everyone were like "now DK will be awesome due to late expansion scaling" and they werent

[jagged pier]

okay well that ring is pog

[lavish oracle]

Signet's good

[jagged pier]

and meat hook is big ST

[orchid frigate]

ring is awesome

gief

[unique shale]

i have my bis rings

gtg leash to troll in raid

[jagged pier]

it doesnt troll

[unique shale]

[still pagoda]

It still does this?

[ionic fern]

Idk, when my DH ran it we depleted a 20 NW cause he suicided into frontals like 5 times

It was months ago tho

[still pagoda]

[unique shale]

meat hook bis for ST ?

[jagged pier]

no

but its alright

[still pagoda]

Bis for ritual suicide ever since SL launch

[unique shale]

time to do 99% pharrs in raid

what is bis ST trinket for prot ??

Inscrutable Quantum Device ?

[sweet summit]

phial i think

[strong forum]

Phial

Phial + dreadfire vessel

Big pump

Iqd is barely good for tanks outside of venthyr prot pally

[sweet summit]

i think its solid for guardian too since u just pair it with incan/berserk

[unique shale]

IQD ?

[strong forum]

That's an i

Just autocapitalisation from phone

Makes it look like L

[unique shale]

So IQD good for venthyr prot ?

[strong forum]

"good"

Potentially idk

The 3min CD is just sucky

A tank doesn't get as much value out of stat buff trinkets offensively

Since we don't have as much dmg to be buffed ykno

[sweet summit]

iqd is not great regardless of covenant

like

there are better trinkets

[jagged pier]

IQD is a huge bait

good for soaking orbs on 3rd boss in SoA tho

[strong forum]

What it do there

[sweet summit]

heal

[jagged pier]

lay on hands

[strong forum]

[unique shale]

hat

[strong forum]

Just get tufted

[sweet summit]

true true

[unique shale]

what

[sweet summit]

tuft is fucking broken man

[strong forum]

Tuft is such an amazing trinket

[sweet summit]

its insane

[strong forum]

It's so good

Imagine a cheat death, but with an on use 2min CD that also heals even if you don't proc the cheat

So fucking broken

That's a cheat death trinket done right

[jagged pier]

just use all 3

[strong forum]

Iqd tuft and heart?

[jagged pier]

Al'ar IQD and tufted

[strong forum]

And nightfae

[jagged pier]

4 cheat deaths

ez

win

[strong forum]

I think with new soulbinds in 9.1 you can have even more cheats

I recall some people talking bout that

[jagged pier]

pelagos looking juciy tho 12% main stat

[strong forum]

Idk man I like the idea of spear being 40sec CD instead of 1min

And it hitting harder

[jagged pier]

where dat?

[strong forum]

Mikanikos

[still pagoda]

[jagged pier]

Mik 📈

[still pagoda]

Swolekin finally being useful

📈

[jagged pier]

i dont see this spear change am i blind

🤔

[strong forum]

Have I been trolled

[unique shale]

Sim for ST

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eaV4ejbWn5j1HsfgqocarZ

iqd is good

[sweet summit]

7 minutes?

[strong forum]

This one

[jagged pier]

thats not spear tho

[unique shale]

i mean raid takes 6 to 7 min

[sweet summit]

u dont sim for each boss

u sim as a baseline to compare gear

[strong forum]

It is

Which cooldown is getting reduced huh

Tell me

[jagged pier]

it doesnt say

[strong forum]

Exactly

[jagged pier]

my guess would be the acceletor tbh

like the top text has nothing about spear in it

[sweet summit]

probably "your covenant ability"

as nome indicates

[jagged pier]

either way if its spear or another ability

📈

[strong forum]

There

The actual tooltip

[jagged pier]

[remote dawn]

boooooo nice

[jagged pier]

hes got some other nice ones coming in at as well

[sweet summit]

ngl thats kinda neat

[jagged pier]

swolkin may actually me good

[strong forum]

Big pamp

[jagged pier]

imagine spear twice a pull XD

GIVE

NOW

[still pagoda]

That is bonkers for many specs tho

[sweet summit]

what do you think kyrian lego is gonna be for warriors

[jagged pier]

seimic

[sweet summit]

thats not what i meant... :/

[jagged pier]

BIG PAMP

[sweet summit]

kyrian warrior specific legendary effect

[strong forum]

Spear causes

[lavish oracle]

Wait, how does IQD help you soak orbs on 3rd boss of SoA?

[jagged pier]

wait we get leggo effects now?

[strong forum]

Many thing

[sweet summit]

cos it heals u when ur low

[lavish oracle]

Oh, I see

thought it had like an immunity or something

[sweet summit]

nf/necro/venthyr ones are already on ptr

[lavish oracle]

does the new mikanikos soulbind capstone seem worth running?

seems good in keys

[jagged pier]

holy shit thos are nutty leggos

[lavish oracle]

40 second spear seems very good

[sweet summit]

capstone?

[lavish oracle]

the end one

don't know what else you'd call it

[inner plank]

is the trinket Anima Field Emitter any good ?

[sweet summit]

oh yeah

we just talked about that one

[still pagoda]

At the very least, pala, monk and dh benefit from this a lot

[unique shale]

everybody get cool ability accept venthyr

[still pagoda]

And warri ofc

[unique shale]

[sweet summit]

venthyr one is strong for venthyrs niche tho

[lavish oracle]

yeah, can't tell if it's worth taking the whole rest of the soulbind though

Bronn is kinda shit

[jagged pier]

imagine poping LS with bolster in execute phase as a venthyr prot have having SB up for the whole of execute

[sweet summit]

paired with unnerving focus

[lavish oracle]

apparently it doesn't extend the block from LS

as of right now

[sweet summit]

probably a bug tho

rather

hopefully

[unique shale]

[mellow gorge]

ah yes

bolster talent

just reduce last stand cooldown by 1 minute

nothing else

[unique shale]

no

venthyr lego

[jagged pier]

will be to see repirsal go

[mellow gorge]

they nerfin reprisal

already?

[sweet summit]

nah

[jagged pier]

no

[still pagoda]

[unique shale]

better lego

on table

[mellow gorge]

better lego?

tf

[sweet summit]

you likely still play reprisal in m+

[mellow gorge]

what's the lego this time

[lavish oracle]

kinda hard to imagine a better leggo than reprisal in M+

[jagged pier]

but i reckon kyrian leggo which has to do something with spear and mikanos soulbind will be

📈

[mellow gorge]

wait wait i'm confused

the fuck are they doin w muh leggo

[sweet summit]

talking about this one

nothing lmao

[mellow gorge]

hmm

last stand is nice and all

[jagged pier]

the kyrian one aint out yet but its got to revolve around spear

[mellow gorge]

but

[jagged pier]

and we just got a reduced spear cd

[lavish oracle]

Wonder if the fury version of that is any good

probably not, right?

[mellow gorge]

eyyy

[sweet summit]

its

fucking

busted

for fury

[mellow gorge]

man

[jagged pier]

☝️

[mellow gorge]

for fury

[sweet summit]

200% gonna get nuked

[lavish oracle]

Oh, for real?

dope

[mellow gorge]

dude

[jagged pier]

let me extend reck

[mellow gorge]

it's practically

[jagged pier]

for ever

[mellow gorge]

alot of fokin uptime

for reck

yea

infinite crit

your tank will have an aggro problem.

[sweet summit]

"infinite" xd

[lavish oracle]

it's like 9 more seconds of uptime?

right?

[mellow gorge]

9??

[sweet summit]

you have 100% reck uptime during condemn

[mellow gorge]

my man

[sweet summit]

and thats kinda strong

[lavish oracle]

Oh, lmao, really?

[sweet summit]

it works with ww cleave too

[mellow gorge]

take the talent that gives you exec procs

and bam

[lavish oracle]

6s CD 3s extension, no?

[sweet summit]

u take massacre

[jagged pier]

procs as well

[sweet summit]

and suddenly its like 3.4 sec cd (for me with my haste)

and u mash it on cd

so

yueah

[mellow gorge]

bois

[lavish oracle]

fair

[jagged pier]

and if it works on cleaving like Erga says then big reck time

[mellow gorge]

i don't think the sinful surge will work with bolster

[torn stump]

the best part is they probably have one guy coming up with these wacky ideas, and a completely different guy who has to balance them

[sweet summit]

it should

[jagged pier]

it should

[torn stump]

and hes just sitting there like

[lavish oracle]

it should, yeah

[torn stump]

imma shit on your desk

[lavish oracle]

otherwise it's kinda worthless

[mellow gorge]

but isn't Ls and SB different abilities

even w boslter

[jagged pier]

not with bolster

[mellow gorge]

it's not the same buff

[sweet summit]

wait a sec

ill link

[mellow gorge]

aight

[jagged pier]

like its an ingame check with will be like if bolster then give sb

[sweet summit]

look

[mellow gorge]

ye i know

i used bolster and it gives it for the duration of LS

[sweet summit]

"and it grants you the Shield Block effect for its duration"

so if u can extend LS

u should be able to extend the SB effect too

[mellow gorge]

idunno man, i don't think it will work that way

[sweet summit]

doesnt that make sense

[mellow gorge]

considering that it gives you sb to the duration of the "initial" LS

[torn stump]

it doesnt but theres a dk conduit that has the same issue with one of the leggos

[mellow gorge]

you can extend LS and get a health boost

but you won't get SB boost

[torn stump]

duration of dark transform gets extended but the buff to the dk doesnt extend

[mellow gorge]

so you'll get ls, say, for 19 seconds

[lavish oracle]

Honestly, disregarding rules lawyer interpretations of the text, like having it extend SB with bolster makes it an interesting leggo option worth considering in some situations, not having it do that makes it worthless

[mellow gorge]

at the start

your sb will be 15

due to the initial cast

but anywho

this is a soulbind or a passive?

[hoary crow]

which talents do we run with seismic?

[mellow gorge]

i'd like soulbind reworks for kyrians

[sweet summit]

its a legendary

[mellow gorge]

ah

i still want soulbind reworks for kyrian

alot of them feel useless D:

[sweet summit]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/spell-soulbind-and-class-changes-for-patch-9-1-ptr-build-38312-321828

take a read

[mellow gorge]

ty for link

[lavish oracle]

BSC and Bolster, probs, @hoary crow , unless your damage intake is trivial. in which case fuck it, go AM

big dam

[sweet summit]

same as with reprisal

[mellow gorge]

aight

mikanikos gang time

[lavish oracle]

really? you'd run AM with seismic?

[sweet summit]

ya bolster is good too

[jagged pier]

yes

[sweet summit]

hell yeah, more damage

[mellow gorge]

i run AM with the wall

[strong forum]

That's the whole point of seismic

[jagged pier]

but be aware u have no defense that way really

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, seems very squishy

fun for smashing low keys, I guess

[strong forum]

If you don't play am with seismic, might aswell play reprisal + am and be 10x tankier and deal same dmg

[mellow gorge]

so lads

we switching to mikanikos?

[lavish oracle]

I hope not

[strong forum]

Bro

[lavish oracle]

Bronn seems cancerous

[jagged pier]

well we have like 3 months to find out

[strong forum]

9.1 is still like 2+months away

[jagged pier]

[mellow gorge]

ye

but i have to do the campaign

[strong forum]

No need to jump the gun

[mellow gorge]

that i haven't done

at all.

[lavish oracle]

haha

just do it anyways

[strong forum]

??

[lavish oracle]

you'll have to do it at some point

[strong forum]

How can be 40 then

[lavish oracle]

not like there's anything else going on

[mellow gorge]

weekly farm + dung

[still pagoda]

1. It is just a ptr
2. 9.1 is 2+ months away
3. It is still a ptr 99% chance it won't make it to live build

[still pagoda]

[mellow gorge]

uhh

[strong forum]

You can bypass the story points?

[mellow gorge]

the tributes

[sweet summit]

shouldnt be able to

unless i missed something

[mellow gorge]

i just got pelagos and didn't do any of the campaign

[shrewd elm]

New prot warrior, we take Kyrian over necro lords right?

[sweet summit]

kyrian>=NF>necro>venthyr for m+

[torn stump]

unless you're doing huge keys it doesnt matter

[jagged pier]

even in huge keys u run kyrian

as you fill the kyrian slot

[still pagoda]

i did 0-38 in one week; you get renown 100% drop from HC dungeons until 15, till then its a mix of callings, hc dungeons, hc raid, M+ and teh weekly quests from the Maw. I did not hand in my Maw quests until I hit level 35 since I was told that completing them would lower the drop rate of renown

Purposefully stolen from pala discord

[sweet summit]

all are playable, none are inherently wrong to pick

[shrewd elm]

Thanks just wanted to be sure :)

[echo egret]

Do you think the new ring is an upgrade, with the massive loss of haste ?

[mellow gorge]

wait wait wait

lads

i have a question

warrs in 9.1 are getting a further 10% dam reduction

[unique shale]

no

[torn stump]

thats just a tooltip fix

[mellow gorge]

ah

[sand condor]

woh

[strong forum]

No

[sand condor]

i got dos trinket

[sweet summit]

poggers

[sand condor]

but it was the third IQD

[sweet summit]

not poggers

[sand condor]

so i took the 226 1 hand

[torn stump]

dunked by rng

[sweet summit]

poggers

[shrewd elm]

Im hoping we will scale better and player perception of prot warrior can be turned around

[sand condor]

19 ilvl weapon upgrade is pretty poggers

[sweet summit]

we take those

[sand condor]

but still no scale

:(

[strong forum]

Prot perception is massively better than in 8.0

[sand condor]

people look at me in keys and go

" i love prot warriors"

[still pagoda]

Wasn't really better on launch, but should be normal now

[sand condor]

like im getting into 19s with people i just met

[still pagoda]

Sadly

[sand condor]

because they like prot war and like me :D

[strong forum]

It's much better rn than it used to be

Still shit

But better

[still pagoda]

God...

[sand condor]

ngl

[strong forum]

The necro hype was real

[sand condor]

that NF legendary

[strong forum]

From uninformed people

[sand condor]

for warriors

makes me really sad

[still pagoda]

That makes me not want to touch my warri for quite a while again. Had enough

[sand condor]

unless the dot applies to EACH target in the AA

so that it has some higher aoe cap on that than 5

[lavish oracle]

Wonder if we'll still need to fill the Kyrian slot next patch

[sweet summit]

ngl this new necro lego looks pretty fucking strong :/

but im kinda dumb so dont trust me

[strong forum]

Pwar is prolly tied for 2nd place with bear in terms of m+ power, just people refuse to acknowledge / play it

[lavish oracle]

Talk of Boomy swapping to kyrian

And mages potentially swapping to frost

Leaves Night fae open

[strong forum]

Talk of boomy dying

[still pagoda]

Pwar was good on release too. People refused to even consider you anything while being incompetent themselves

[strong forum]

Yes, but now with reprisal and the dmg buffs and whatnot is actual pumper spec

[lavish oracle]

How big is the malignancy nerf for aff lock?

[strong forum]

Quite large

Casters on suicide watch

[sweet summit]

pog

[strong forum]

But firemage will still dominate m+

[still pagoda]

Well, still doesn't fix the problem of 90% of WoW community being brainlets with "meta" instead of brain

[lavish oracle]

I kinda like met boomy, trees + a brez is nice

Wonder what would fill its slot

[mellow gorge]

looks like i'll still run TW in 9.1 unless spear leggo is too stronk

[lavish oracle]

Hunter again, maybe?

Scaling with AP would be a bonus for us

[strong forum]

WW rogue havoc

• pwar

[lavish oracle]

The classic

[strong forum]

Havoc interchangeable with hunter

[lavish oracle]

The BFA special, even

[strong forum]

That's potentially a very very strong comp in 9.1

[lavish oracle]

I feel like in that case you'd run hunter just for a ranged slot

[strong forum]

Prolly ye

[sweet summit]

replace havoc with ele tbh

[strong forum]

Eeeh maybe

[mellow gorge]

ele + boomie

= tank never has problems

[strong forum]

But the hunter gets 10% more dmg just for being hunter

[sweet summit]

boomie is dead 🦀

[strong forum]

Boomie is dead 🦀

[mellow gorge]

why is boomie dead?

[sweet summit]

nuked

[strong forum]

Nerfed into floor

[mellow gorge]

now or in 9.1

[strong forum]

9.1

We're talking 9.1

[mellow gorge]

ah

well blizz will take it two ways

either nerf the spec even further

or buff it again cause too many complaints

wait what about ferals?

[sweet summit]

still does whatever they do

which is good ST damage

i think feral can do decent aoe damage too

in keys

[torn stump]

firemage still on that throne tho

[lavish oracle]

I feel like you still probably bring a mage next season

Even if its maybe not fire

Uncapped AoE is strong

[strong forum]

Fire is still gonna be good

Especially if you get your hyperthreads back

You just gonna play 2min firemage again

And not 1min

[mellow gorge]

uh

[lavish oracle]

Huh

[strong forum]

The yellow

[mellow gorge]

oh

[lavish oracle]

Huuuh

[mellow gorge]

hey

nome

does that work on tanks?

by chance?

[sweet summit]

"intellect"

[mellow gorge]

ye

[strong forum]

It's an Int trinket

[sweet summit]

it works proably

[strong forum]

So I'd say no

[sweet summit]

but why

[mellow gorge]

prima stat is meh

[sweet summit]

??????????

[mellow gorge]

2 shieldwall charges

[strong forum]

No??

[sweet summit]

what game are u playing

[strong forum]

Mainstat is the best stat by far

[mellow gorge]

i'll pop a flask to counteract the prim stat loss

[lavish oracle]

Especially on prot war, lmao

Our vanguard bonus is so nutty

[mellow gorge]

taking AM with the wall

feels really nice

what's better than a 1 minute cd wall if not less and damage

[jagged pier]

i mean 80%+ more effective uptime on SB and a cd on SW of 1:30 mins

and more damage

thats better

🤷

[mellow gorge]

and avatar

can't forget about avatar

had it at roughly 40% uptime in one dung

[tame jasper]

One question about items in NW: I picked up two hammers yesterday, but could only use one - do they get overridden?

[mellow gorge]

yes

you can only pick up one of each type of item

so you can for example pick up a spear and an orb, but you get to use orb first

so you can pick up a shield, spear, orb and hammer

[tame jasper]

ah okay good to know

[mellow gorge]

but not 2 spears or anything like that

[tame jasper]

but only one of each

[mellow gorge]

ye

[round vortex]

Think of it like you put the items in a Pringle can. But can’t have 2 the same

But can only use them in reverse order to picking them up lol

[sick sentinel]

no we wont

in full uptime combust is 50s and not 1m

its 1 min due to badge

upping crit and haste will fix kindling nerf

which happens anyway with scaling

[unique shale]

I think i like lightless force now

[lusty furnace]

Also higher ranks off DotG. Seems more likely Fire would be a 1.5min spec with Kindling and not DotG/Venthyr if some strong 1.5min trinket appears than 2min mage coming back, unless that new Hyperthread Wristwraps trinket ends up busted on 2min cd (but why not just play 1min anyhow and have every other bust be stronger)

[sick sentinel]

that may very well be true

but im still hoping for 1 min

[lusty furnace]

Yeah 1min is a lot more fun than 2min imo. I've been expecting the Kindling nerf since beta tbh. Once we got more Haste/Crit and higher levels off DotG it was bound to be problematic. Anyhow back on Prot topic I guess

[sick sentinel]

oh ofc i completely forgot about DoTG scaling

[sweet summit]

mages are not people

[hexed rune]

What are the chances one of the covenants becomes best for Pwarrs in 9.1 with the info we have now?

I really really don't want to swap 😕

[sweet summit]

doesnt look like any major changes are happening

its alsolike 2 months away

so things will change

[orchid frigate]

would it be safe to asume i dont have to farm more soul ash as long as i have the leggos i want till after 9.1?

[jagged pier]

i would farm just incase

and torghast each week only takes like 30 mins

just get to cap and forget till new patch

the kyrian leggo could be busted with mikanos change

[orchid frigate]

ugh but i dont wannaaaa

[jagged pier]

look 40 sec cd on spear

• a leego that interacts with spear

probs

📈

[orchid frigate]

but it would be typical that we need to farm something new after patch hits

and not being able to use stacked up resources

[hexed rune]

Hate how much grinding each character has to do.

I wanted to try healing but more torghast is :tired_face:

[still pagoda]

Just be glimmerdin. 1 lego for everything

[strong forum]

If you're cool you use the dps leggo and you're venthyr

[orchid frigate]

ooh a darkfrost helmet in GV

[ionic fern]

I got my 6th weapon.

[orchid frigate]

😮

[strong forum]

I got the haste vers gloves from plaguefall

[orchid frigate]

swiit

[strong forum]

Idk how to feel about that

[orchid frigate]

fleshfused?

[strong forum]

Big vers average haste ye

I think so

[orchid frigate]

have them as a valor upgrade project

wish i wasnt capped out 😦

gonna be so slow now

[strong forum]

I can still get 6k valor!

[orchid frigate]

idk what ive spent all mine on

hmm

im the master of mastery

[hot oxide]

Gotta read these boomy nerfs

[unreal scarab]

had my time to test NF now, now the last covenant to check for my prot. Kyrian. But till now NF was suuuuper fun and felt great. i m excited how spear will feel in personal gameplay

[remote dawn]

how big is the boomie nerf? O.o

[jagged pier]

to quote the boomkin in my guild

'Moonkin is very dead next patch
RIP me
'

[remote tusk]

oh boy they did some lines in the patch notes, and its dead, before it is even finalized.

[hot oxide]

This did it. Balance of All Things (Runecarving Power) now grants 24% increased critical strike chance (was 40%) and decreases by 3% every 1 second (was 8% every 1 second)

[remote tusk]

so?

[hot oxide]

That killed their legendary

[lofty widget]

less crit but same dropoff?

[hot oxide]

Poor chickens

That’s a ton less crit

[remote tusk]

and?

were they "balanced"?

did they need the nerf?

yes

[hot oxide]

Hell no they weren’t balanced. They are op as hell.

[remote tusk]

anyway, prot channel. warrior discord.

let the druids drown in their misery 🙂

[orchid frigate]

tettles is fuming

[still pagoda]

Basically,

[sick sentinel]

sorry i just have to share this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495856416993705997/831821799041531914/image0.jpg

[orchid frigate]

haha

[still pagoda]

Kek

[zealous timber]

For all the times I've been oneshot by a convoking moonkin, fuck 'em

[jagged pier]

welcome to the club

[cedar leaf]

Heyo, does someone has a good Halls route and want to share it with me? It feels like all my Halls routes suck pretty hard. Second pride is always pretty useless :/

[still pagoda]

Maw intro: trash
Maw dailies on launch: trash
Maw mount: not in my collection
Torghast: hated with passion

Otherwise expac is good

[lofty widget]

this is what i run, pride for all shards + second and last boss https://wago.io/qYE6u7dDo

[halcyon crest]

I know its frowned upon but can anyone recommend a ressource for stat weigths?

[still pagoda]

I'm already expecting pug tanks to be pure garbage

Though, people in the guild i was in before the whole crash smh remember me so i might avoid excessive pugging

[jagged pier]

dont lie pug tanks are the best

always great

[still pagoda]

Great for torture

[lofty widget]

for dps you can sim yourself, for tankiness it's ilvl>haste>vers>crit>=mastery

[cedar leaf]

so you skip the two mobs for 1st pride by walking on the right side and take the stoneborn or do you use invis pots?

[unreal scarab]

to be fair most people suck in pugs, healer, DDs, Tanks and everybody blames the other party

[lofty widget]

we have a rogue so we shroud, but you can invis yes, or just take it for the pack if you dont want/need it on pride

[sick sentinel]

I mean i remember on Eternal Palace

they prenerfed SP amongst other classes

and they was like OMG SP IS DEAD OMG OMG OMG OMG

and they ended being the most dominant spec that tier

tons of times they prenerf stuff they know might get broken

they also prenerfed affli too

[silk edge]

Do you guys open up the vault as prot lootspec ? Or arms/fury

[sweet summit]

prot if u still need shield/scale/weapon