#protection
sick sentinel
sweet summit
honest plinth
ionic fern
I still haven't transfered to horde. 😦
My WoW Experience right now is:
Log on.
Check if there are any 19-20+ keys
Log out cause it's alliance and there are 5 keys total.
delicate thorn
my bindings are a bit dumb too, I have SB on 5 but IP on X
chilly brook
I wouldn't say that's necessarily true, you can see the difference on say SLG or Sire for sure
chilly brook
Also hi frens
honest plinth
i just tried to survive in 17 mists with low gear healer dont blame me
still pagoda
my bindings are a bit dumb too, I have SB on 5 but IP on X
depends on what you prefer. You can technically reach 5 with index and X with thumb while still holding on to WASD
sweet summit
x is sit for me 
still pagoda
X is always some kind of fear or other form of soft CC for me
ionic fern
Get a mouse that has numbers on the side. 😒
sick sentinel
i have IP on 4 and SB on 5
X for trinket
i m already getting anxious with a 2 button mouse
imagine with more than that
still pagoda
Get a mouse that has numbers on the side. 😒
funnily enough, the more i played prot in Legion and BfA(and also mage early on in BfA), the more i moved away from mouse buttons
delicate thorn
I don't have fancy extra mouse buttons
chilly brook
Wow would be unplayable for me without an mmo mouse tbh
sweet summit
highly recommend it
delicate thorn
also I use scroll wheel button as push-to-talk in Teamspeak
sweet summit
| is my ptt 
ionic fern
ionic fern
Wow would be unplayable for me without an mmo mouse tbh
Same. I could play a ranged character without a mmo mouse probably..but a melee/tank..no ty.
still pagoda
Wow would be unplayable for me without an mmo mouse tbh
You'll hate me then. This didn't change in early SL in the slightest
sweet summit
true true
sick sentinel
in the end if you feel comfortable with your setup thats what matters
chilly brook
I have crouch on spacebar in shooters sooooo.....
ionic fern
You animal
chilly brook
Or at least siege
sweet summit
miss my boy VoP tho 
still pagoda
miss my boy VoP tho <:pepsihands:589678101446000670>
i miss him too.
chilly brook
Wtf.
Bro for like a year crouch/lean spam was nuts in siege, so I slammed spacebar as my crouch button and its stuck even after the speed nerf to the animations
ionic fern
What is that "Siege" tho?
sweet summit
rainbow 6 siege?
chilly brook
Ye
ionic fern
My best/most fond memories from a FPS is from SoF 2. 😦
sweet summit
SoF?
ionic fern
Soldiers of Fortune
Some multiplayer game
Similar to CS i guess.
I always wanna go back to it - but pretty sure it's dead.
And also Darkeden 👀
I don't know why but i go back to Darkeden like 2 times per year.
😂
sweet summit
i've never hard of any of those games
gaunt dawn
hello
ionic fern
Hi.
sweet summit
good morning
ionic fern
Have you heard about Crouch spam?
sweet summit
wrong chat i think
chilly brook
Just go like 10 seconds in @ionic fern
sick sentinel
Wrong discord this is a shooter one
sweet summit
this is #R6S
sweet summit
😂
chilly brook
And you'll see why I did the crouch on spacebar thing
sweet summit
oopsies
still pagoda
chilly brook
gaunt dawn
how do you stand @sweet summit
sweet summit
226>200
gaunt dawn
226 hot shit > 200 kinda ok
still pagoda
gaunt dawn
now we get rid of the numbers
hot shit > kinda ok ?
like steamy post curry hot shit
chilly brook
Mail tank when?
still pagoda
why anyone even bother with hot shit trinket?
it's like with cheat death trinkets
waste of slot
ionic fern
And you'll see why I did the crouch on spacebar thing
haha, that's dumb. 😂
sweet summit
i said if u can use it then 200>226 but if u cant then 226>200 you feel?
don't do me like this
chilly brook
i said if u can use it then 200>226 but if u cant then 226>200 you feel?
But if you only have 200 are you even in a spot where you can use it?
still pagoda
just dont use sb
chilly brook
just dont use sb
You kinda can in like 15s
Just be prepared to get yelled at by your healer
honest plinth
not this week 😄
sweet summit
gaslight the healer
ionic fern
Just be prepared to get yelled at by your healer
Healers don't know what's going on. They will just be like "Ugh..i knew prot warriors are bad!"
still pagoda
Healers don't know what's going on. They will just be like "Ugh..i knew prot war...
same as always
honest plinth
enraged pack will hit you very hard even in 15
still pagoda
no matter whether you take damage or not, "prot bad please commit suddoku" will be the first thing you hear in the group chat
chilly brook
They're only enraged like what? Sub 30%?
sweet summit
ya
honest plinth
yes
chilly brook
Also ngl
gaunt dawn
in the NFL
chilly brook
Enraged is scary
gaunt dawn
enraged mobs hit hard
sweet summit
maybe if you're weak
ionic fern
maybe if you're **weak**
You're a filthy DPS'er in keys. SUSH.
chilly brook
I dont wanna do SLG prog tomorrow
honest plinth
what is scary is enraged big boi caster in dos in pug grp without kicks
honest plinth
wanna kill my self but hes doing it better
chilly brook
what is scary is enraged big boi caster in dos in pug grp without kicks
Bro enraged scribes make me cry
chilly brook
Truuuueeee
ionic fern
Just run away to the starting platform and laugh as the ranged DPS'ers try to kill the enemies.
still pagoda
I dont wanna do SLG prog tomorrow
ionic fern
"Bruh, don't kite! I lose my DPS!"
Me: "Ok.."
Dies in 3 seconds cause no interrupts
"Trash tank"
sweet summit
chilly brook
still pagoda
brittle owl
not wrong
jagged pier
ionic fern
Go away pala boy.
jagged pier
☝️
ionic fern
I envy palas in stuff like DoS tho. 😦
brittle owl
you'd wish you could fuck with the pink
still pagoda
sweet summit
jagged pier
think they are sword and board people but they cant even take a hit without dying
chilly brook
I envy palas in stuff like DoS tho. 😦
Because they can just solo interrupt the whole pack the whole time?
still pagoda
think they are sword and board people but they cant even take a hit without dyin...
they can throw 5 dishes at once tho 
ionic fern
Because they can just solo interrupt the whole pack the whole time?
Yesh. 😦 Pala is like hands down the best PuG tank. 😂
You can do your healers job..you can do your DPS'ers job..you can save morons with blessings
Etc.
still pagoda
Yesh. 😦 Pala is like hands down the best PuG tank. 😂
noting... 
still pagoda
You can do your healers job..you can do your DPS'ers job..you can save morons wi...
why save morons with blessings if they don't dps anyway 
brittle owl
pala and bdk have always been best for pugs tbh
ionic fern
Yesh. 😦
still pagoda
pugging is hell anyway
ionic fern
No, i don't drink adult beverages. 😦
chilly brook
Hey neither do I
ionic fern
I wanna play my Paladin but i'm horrible at it right now. 😂
Teach me @gaunt dawn - you're lurking here anyways. 👀
jagged pier
pug tanking has ruined my 🧠 cells enough i cant risk adult drinks anymore
still pagoda
I wanna play my Paladin but i'm horrible at it right now. 😂
Teach me <@!2361800...
mate. You have an ideal KILL YOUR BRAIN CELLS healer here
chilly brook
Judgement
chilly brook
Judgement
jagged pier
😮
jagged pier
KARTON come heal my dungeons tonight
chilly brook
Wait for them to come back
ionic fern
Okay, thank you Panth.
still pagoda
i'll just need one week to unclog the mess in IRL and few days to level up my pala to 60
chilly brook
Spend holy power on SotR
still pagoda
ionic fern
Spend holy power on SotR
I spam SOTR anyways cause of that DPS legendary.
jagged pier
i thought u just spammed WoG as pala as u constantly dying
ionic fern
😂
still pagoda
gaunt dawn
true
sweet summit
does the duration not stack?
jagged pier
☝️
sweet summit
and you still overcap SotR duration?
gaunt dawn
very easily
jagged pier
20% haste to get SoTR somthing somthing
sweet summit
o
gaunt dawn
more haste after that point aint bad
just that more baseline mit is better (mastery/vers)
sweet summit
so u actually have 100% uptime on SotR? or is that only during wings or something
still pagoda
20% haste to get SoTR somthing somthing
same as 20%+ for pwarri to get 3 SB's in a row which is a completely and totally usual thing to get before ever even thinking of stopping with STACK. MORE. HASTE.
ionic fern
Oh, i'm safe then. I got 17% haste.
still pagoda
gaunt dawn
at 17% you might not be able to WoG with Holy Power (in 100% tanking uptime scenarios)
of which there are 0
one of my logs on pala
gaunt dawn
moving on hungering to soak
still pagoda
jagged pier
i got my pala to lvl 60 did torghast and then was like ehh i cba
gaunt dawn
i was the same after 1 raid
sweet summit
@gaunt dawn where's bis lego from
sweet summit
idk, you tell me
gaunt dawn
Paladin is insane in the lego dept
ionic fern
READ THE GUIDES
gaunt dawn
it has
sweet summit
i cant read sorry
ionic fern
I just got the Bulwark for m+.
sweet summit
o halls i can do that
gaunt dawn
i'd use the "Generic Legendary" option there
unless you have a specific want for the others
sweet summit
gonna bully my guildies to boost my level 50 pala in a 14 today
ionic fern
👍
still pagoda
meanwhile some other paladin spec
brittle owl
didnt know you like to dps mwahi
jagged pier
Mwahi is a feral main now
brittle owl
ret doesn't stand for retribution
sweet summit
still pagoda
didnt know you like to dps mwahi
who doesn't like to pump TANK DPS lmao
ionic fern
didnt know you like to dps mwahi
The thing is..
I used to play a DPS.
I realized i suck at mechanics and died to everything.
I swapped to tank cause i can't die to mechanics then and i can DPS.
brittle owl
little known fact
ionic fern
still pagoda
brittle owl
idk dpsing is more carefree tbh
especially in m+ pugs
you just kill stuff the boi pulls
still pagoda
idk but i'm considering switching to healing for the time being
finding a guild to stick with for eternity as a tank is ass and end of BfA proved it to me
still pagoda
ionic fern
We all suck at tanking..but luckily no one actually plays tank so we get a free pass.
brittle owl
can't suck if i don't participate
still pagoda
brittle owl
200 iq wow plays AMA
gaunt dawn
can't suck if i don't participate <:yep:703420923625078804>
reply
still pagoda
🏓
gaunt dawn
<:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
still pagoda
brittle owl
still pagoda
jagged pier
sweet summit
gaunt dawn
still pagoda
you know... you gotta pump no matter the role and you always need to go ham on everything
or holy paladin guide 101
broken mulch
I've been losing agro on pull to fire mage combust when progging sludge mythic. Should this ever happen or is this me being bad?
broken mulch
I think I've been taunting yea but maybe it wasn't consistently 🧐 I'll check logs
ionic fern
And are you utilizing the taunt window to dish out damage?
In general you shouldn't be losing aggro unless you're doing something horribly wrong.
still pagoda
basically, you generate 200%(iirc) more aggro during 3 seconds after you use taunt
and it can be seen easily by the taunt debuff on the target and threat meters
broken mulch
weirdly enough in the logs i can't find a single pull where some1 else had threat at pull, but there was a couple instances where the boss just started running towards ranged at pull, must have been some early pulls and not actually a threat issue
strong forum
well if the start before you, yeah its gonna run towards ranged for like a split second
you should always make sure youre the first thing to taunt/attack boss
literally first global for me is spear, to also have it line up with pillar
blazing condor
How do yall deal with bad council overlaps especially on the last burn phase where you get recitals on top of the ad spawning
jagged pier
we did that by haveing the raid stack on the same spot
so got knocked back together
and just do recital on the way back
it will always overlap
just like its random which mobs darven goes for on SLGs
strong forum
How do yall deal with bad council overlaps especially on the last burn phase whe...
yolo it with speedbuffs
thats what we did
split yoke
What legendary should i craft for mythics? Reprisal?
sweet summit
yeah
unique shale
which one increase shattering throw damage more versa or strength ?
sweet summit
per point?
unique shale
yeah
unique shale
its attack power * versa
unique shale
i can get 80 strength with flask plus 23 well fed and rune
still pagoda
its attack power * versa
[(Attack power * 1.0) * (1 + Versatility)]
here's your Shattering Throw formula
sweet summit
which is the same as he said
unique shale
i wish i was panda for 100% on well fed XD
sweet summit
wish panda buff worked on druid battle ress food
unique shale
jagged pier
wish panda buff worked on druid battle ress food
same
still pagoda
still pagoda
unique shale
Well strength gives more damage to shattering throw i mean a lot
tested
venthyr prot war is love don't hate
we are holding second place
sweet summit
honestly surprised night fae is last
sweet summit
:/
unique shale
unique shale
i have 128gb ssd and it only has wow on it
still pagoda
256gb, system, AutoCAD(cause studies), CoH2 and now trying to find some space for WoW
quaint glade
hello guys, im considering to be a necro prot, is it ok or not?
jagged pier
its fine
still pagoda
ionic fern
How to choose your Covenant as Protection Warrior.
still pagoda
How to choose your Covenant as Protection Warrior.
as any class* YOU CAN NEVER PASS ON HOLY DISH LAUNCHER AS PALA
ionic fern
Damn, Kyrian should have been SMURF MOVIES
jagged pier
i thought it was
furry - NF
draka simp - Necro
venthyr - you like vamps
kyrain - you a thigh and foot person
ionic fern
The only furries are Vulperas.
still pagoda
i thought it was
furry - NF
draka simp - Necro
venthyr - you like vamps
kyrain ...
making every single character a goat girl was a sign of a thigh person before. Alliance is dead now so...
ionic fern
@sullen valve we did it.
craggy harness
<@!177194644994654208> we did it.
Ruh roh. What have you done.
ionic fern
He is no longer "lyzer".
craggy harness
Does that mean we have to stop teh jokes?
still pagoda
He is no longer "lyzer".
RIP Abelyzer. You was useful for checking SB spam shenanigans
ionic fern
Jeah, now he's useless. 😦
strong forum
It's moreso a mohawk mullet, you can see below his head , it pops back up
jagged pier
true
orchid frigate
amber herald
whichever is cheapest on the AH 
orchid frigate
that little difference?
orchid frigate
ah okies
jagged pier
but there is a very very small difference
sick sentinel
Is there a cast time on engi battle res and if so does it get cancelled by damaged taken?
Thinking of going engi, currently have inscription but don't use it
jagged pier
it only gets cancelled by movment or death
and its 4 secs
and i dont think u can block or parry or dodge while doing it
torn stump
on the rare occasion ive done it while actively tanking i popped shield wall and prayed
sick sentinel
ah ok haha
Some of the other stuff seems like it might be useful thought
soul trap
inland raft
Shield wall and pray, cardboard assassin if its on trash last most if the duration of the cast to which mitigates how much get slammed
Engi is extremely useful
lofty widget
how long is the cardboard assassin up for?
cloud tide
who is more tanky monk or warrior?
ebon hound
Not to say it's strictly better, but warrior is a bit tankier on average
monks have their 'burst' tankiness though
strong forum
how long is the cardboard assassin up for?
Not more than a few globals
hot pasture
how long is the cardboard assassin up for?
5 seconds
modern brook
shadow for ST
dont stones also increase IP?
strong forum
Bro it's like 4dps difference
floral pewter
it's AP, so it should
you can just check the tooltip before and after
battle shout definitely affects IP
sullen valve
<@!177194644994654208> we did it.
Now for step two. Emotes
remote hawk
I can just tell you all how i hate DoS and this just happend and they both needed them 😦
been after that scale to upgrade for ages now
floral pewter
oof
lusty pine
wait is it omnicc or omniCD youre supposed to use D:
craggy harness
you'll get it in GV
lofty widget
wait is it omnicc or omniCD youre supposed to use D:
omnicd shows your teammates cooldowns, omnicc shows cc on mob nameplates; i use both cause theyre both great
wild hemlock
yeah ive literally run DoS 30 times and no scale
last night i had 4 people rolling some sort of prot spec. and 2 stupid ass overwhelming crystals dropped
floral pewter
achievement unlocked: solo a +14 Tyrannical boss for the last 10%
modern brook
crystal kinda nice though tbh
floral pewter
Monday night "fill the vault" groups are wild, folks
remote hawk
yeah more or less always running DoS with a Dk friend who uses Bloodspecc for me
still no trinekts ever
wild hemlock
yeah more or less always running DoS with a Dk friend who uses Bloodspecc for me
i had a DH with me, DK and pally lol
rotund thistle
Preference on slot for Reprisal for those of us who don't have access to 233 legs? Seems like you get more value out of legs but itemization on plate feet is really bad.
remote hawk
i had a DH with me, DK and pally lol
Rip xD
strong forum
Preference on slot for Reprisal for those of us who don't have access to 233 leg...
Yes legs
wild hemlock
servers up so i can go home for lunch yet? lmao
honest plinth
venthyr prot war is love don't hate
Is it fools Day joke? There is 99.3 % in total, not 100
craggy harness
i guess some of us dared not to chose a covenant
feral jasper
do I lose the ability to block, parry and dodge when I am casting shattering throw?
torn stump
yes
floral pewter
apparently 0.7% of prot warriors got to 60, couldn't decide, and logged out forever
polar radish
floral pewter
ah, true
snow blaze
servers up so i can go home for lunch yet? lmao
No
inland raft
Anyone use omnicd that gets it to track covenant abilities? For me they dont show up even thiugh have them selected
nimble laurel
wooow... yes plz
patent osprey
baller
plush tendon
still pagoda
honest plinth
wooow... yes plz
screenshots like that are not allowed 
nimble laurel
screenshots like that are not allowed <:Pepexecute:595606525272391710>
to be fair, last week I had to take a dps trinket because everything else was garbage.
still pagoda
i completely forgot i can't skip that fucking intro
blizz, it's been 5 months since launch
why it is still not skippable?
signal plover
Cuz it's still 9.0?
still pagoda
strong wyvern
How good is splintered heart? My vault has 213 chest, 220 shield and 213 splintered heart. I currently have 197 chest, a shitty 194 shield and two 213 dps trinkets (sins and sheet music). I'm guessing the shield is the way to go. I'm not doing prog raid just off tank on alt night heroic.
jagged pier
my gunshoes and gliders stockpile is on another server
cant use gunshoes in the maw
can use the mount tho if u have it
plush tendon
is haste/vers still BIS stats?
sounds bout right
still pagoda
can use the mount tho if u have it
i quit right before the week it was available
whatever
jagged pier
F
latent escarp
How good is splintered heart? My vault has 213 chest, 220 shield and 213 splinte...
Shield forsure. Biggest defensive upgrade. Hearts only useful if you "might die" to something. It it never procs you don't need it.
strong wyvern
Shield forsure. Biggest defensive upgrade. Hearts only useful if you "might die"...
Thanks! Shield it is.
cobalt grove
Shield will always be your top choice for prot
heady plaza
Is 9.1 patch notes out?
cobalt grove
It's the most direct form of damage mitigation with its stats, both in the "higher ilvl =more armor, secondaries, str, and stam" but also because your blocked damage mitigation goes up too
tame jasper
hey US folks, what affixes do we have this id in m+?
cobalt grove
It's for sure a fortified week, since last week was tyrranical
strong forum
spiteful volc
cobalt grove
Tyrannical*
tame jasper
thx @strong forum
past egret
Hello, I'm new to Prot warrior and just hit 60 last week. I want to focus on M+ but missed the Torghast wing for Reprisal legendary, which hopefully comes back next week. Is there any other legendary I should use in the mean time, or is it best for me to wait till next week as I will have enough ash to go straight to a R3 Reprisal?
rugged mural
Is the Decanter of Anima Charged Winds any good? Trying to decide between that at 223 over my 200 trinkets now or a 226 shield when mine is 213 (but can upgrade soon once I get KSM)
toxic gyro
Take the shield
lofty widget
Hello, I'm new to Prot warrior and just hit 60 last week. I want to focus on M+ ...
you can run twisting corridors until you get upper reachers (on layer 3+) that way you dont have to wait weeks
sturdy sable
Is the Decanter of Anima Charged Winds any good? Trying to decide between that a...
The shield hands down
lofty widget
shield any day
inland raft
226 crit/mastery mace for me in vault, not best stats but replacing 213 weapon so not bad
hollow bolt
something spicy happen?
strong forum
how can you people do this
hollow bolt
@strong forum With a shot per fuck up
inland raft
and a line of cocaine per stupid death
hollow bolt
Vodka or double gauge both are good
strong forum
a 223 hunter losing to the tank and a 186 WW
hollow bolt
Or just be the pug!
strong forum
and using wildspirits only on bosses
hollow bolt
/thinking emoji
tame jasper
How? When they don't have guild who do m+ (or only low ones)
fierce field
hey, you need to save your big CDs to make sure bosses die in a timely manner.
strong forum
and a rogue doing tank dmg outside of ST and actively spreading dots on the group
hollow bolt
Yo can i get in on the next key ill hold wildspirits for the enxt xpac
strong forum
my first depleted key in months
holy shit
and the rogue doesnt even know he was bad
he flamed me for not doing 100% pride before last boss but after ??
holy cunt pugging is so bad
strong forum
im actually fuming holy shit
plush tendon
thats when you just leave 🙂
hollow bolt
yeah seriously just dip set
strong forum
i even said just before the key, that the hunter is gonna suck, he just gave this vibe off
but i was gonna be nice
hollow bolt
if its not worth your time just get out
plush tendon
Thats what being nice gets you
hollow bolt
also if it makes u feel any better, all pugs are like that!
hollow bolt
if most pugs were not dipshits the few good ones wouldent stand out
it be the other way around
plush tendon
got a similar message recently to; some people do appreciate a good tank coming in
fierce field
I had a pug the other day, warlock wouldn't even engage until the priest guaranteed they'd trade a specific piece of loot, after the key had been plugged in, and the priest had the trinket at a higher ilvl than the dungeon would have dropped, and the lock was the only other person who could use it, then bailed after we killed first boss.
sick sentinel
To be fair, a majority of people do their m+ pugging, and a majority of people are at least passable if you put a little effort into selecting who you invite.
charred osprey
The key is to not do keys with people Who "progress". If timing for io is involved, you gonna have a hard time
junior osprey
If I unlock TC layers on my main can I do the layer 3 on an alt like normal torg wings? Or do you have to clear TC on each char?
strong forum
TC is completely separate from normal torghast
junior osprey
I’m aware just curious if it’s account wide layer unlocks
sick sentinel
The rotation is kind of irrelevant by now though.
fierce field
unless you just hit 60 on an alt that needs a leggo drop and you don't want to deal with TC fishing
sick sentinel
TC fishing doesnt exactly take very long 😄
junior osprey
That’s what’s going on rn
fierce field
i was a bit under geared, so needed to find friends to carry me, then TC fish 🙂
junior osprey
I just don’t wanna do TC seems like such a time suck but I’ve been waiting a month for this damn leggo
sick sentinel
You only need to do the first 6 floors of it.
junior osprey
Well I need to unlock layer 3 first 🙃
astral scarab
just beat the last boss on floor 6 of twisted coridor. exited and layer 2 didnt unlock. what happened?
sick sentinel
Oh well yeah if you didn't set foot in there on any character so far then I guess 😛
I suppose you didn't farm any sockets on main or such then, because doing Maw w/o the mount is a big no-no by now lol
junior osprey
Have farmed sockets just never wasted time in TC
But after farming stygia dust for quest mount and wasting time waiting on torg wings for Alts it seems like the 15 hours or TC would’ve actually been a time saver 🙃
sick sentinel
I actually found TC kind of fun when it came out on my mage main when you could build some truly broken anima setups.
junior osprey
Yeah my main is DK so I probably would have blasted it I just didn’t see the point early on
charred osprey
Fury warrior was fun when u could heal to full in 1 global. Until that wasnt enough xD
sick sentinel
Killing trash in the last few layers was a bit slow for sure, but otherwise i feel TC is how Torghast is supposed to be. The standard wings just don't build up enough godmode to feel like there is a point.
junior osprey
Yeah I’m sure it’s easy enough just such a time commitment for each layer I could never convince myself to start lol
But guess I will tonight
hollow bolt
stygia
plush tendon
i mean, is anything a I level upgrade?
nimble laurel
go fury
plush tendon
I dont think going fury wouldve helped here XD
lofty widget
go boots if you dont have 226 already
real orchid
lol I have the reprisal boots
none of the pvp are ilvl upgrade
so maybe just the neck or ring. but garb stats
fierce field
first chest after getting my alt to 60...
mighty valley
lol I have the reprisal boots
maybe get boots in case you do a different legendary or offspec?
fierce field
my warrior already has a better weapon than the brewmaster i've been playing since launch 😦
hot pasture
mega sadge lmao
plush tendon
Thats alright my dude, easier switch to a better class 😛
fierce field
i really enjoy both for different reasons 🙂
plate just looks much better than leather, but I will say the satisfaction of throwing a keg in somebody's face is hard to beat.
hot pasture
i just couldnt get the feel for brew idk
fierce field
yeah, i'm trying to adjust my brain to SB/IP over Purify/Celestial brews, slowly getting there.
hot pasture
dont forget your reflect
fierce field
but learning how to play without the crutch of Ring of Peace, hoping trying out different tanking classes will make me a better tank overall
hot oxide
i love all tank classes
but the heart is always with prot
i do think DH tanking is a tad OP
plush tendon
meh, its aight
fierce field
i really couldn't get into vdh
plush tendon
I honestly dont think VDH is on such a different level compared to other tanks
fierce field
and guardian makes my hand hurt, mashing the same button over and over.
amber herald
that's why you bind thrash and ironfur to scroll wheel
plush tendon
Or get a foot pedal
fierce field
i'm old and my body can't handle the repetitive stress
fading quiver
226 worm smasher has avoidance, or... take shoulders that have haste for when I use reprisal as existing dont have any. I seem to be using reprisal more and more.
I'm at an impass
plush tendon
If the weapon is a I level upgrade then take it. Otherwise, take shoulders so you can use reprisal
fierce field
shoulders for using with reprisal if you already have a 226 weapon
plush tendon
yea, avoidance is like what? 1% reduce damage when you stand in fire?
fading quiver
i have 226 shoulders already, just no haste on them
fading quiver
so its a better itemized weapon with avoidance, or shoulders with haste for reprisal
plush tendon
maybe the wep considering youd use it all the time
IDK man, this seems like a rich mans dilemma
XD
fading quiver
I think if i get the wep, it'll put me at something like 13% avoidance, have it on like 3 other pieces as well
fading quiver
wep it is, dont think i'll get another chance at BiS wep with avoidance
other weeks I can gamble on haste shoulders
carmine rain
what kind of trinkets am i hunting for for tanking .. i know blood spattered is one .. what other ones am i aiming for?
hot pasture
what kind of trinkets am i hunting for for tanking .. i know blood spattered is ...
Splintered Heart of Al'ar
for prog
hot pasture
Anima Field Emitter is okay
cosmic mantle
If you can use the Quantum device on the right times it can be decent aswell
lofty widget
emitter, spike, heraldry, decanter off the top of my head
carmine rain
well perfect i actually have all of those
carmine rain
im quite geared and i mainly play fury and have gotten tons of tirnkets
just seeing with what i have what is actually good to use
hot pasture
ew fury player 😉
carmine rain
lol 😦
so i have splintered / iqd / emitter / spike / decanter all 226 .. so out of those what would you use in m+
lofty widget
emitter
carmine rain
ok sounds good! thanks!
hot pasture
just make sure you stand in the little blue circle or its useless it does proc quite a bit iirc
fierce field
yeah, love SHA just lets you push yourself a little with a bit of a safety net for keys
hot pasture
def saved me life several times
hot oxide
heh, fire mage got mad at me because i pointed out his 2k dps in a +6 in SD. it was worse on trash
compact pulsar
hi guys, i know kyrian is recommended for prot.. but i switch to warrior from rogue (fresh 60 here) and my rogue is allready kyrian.. i wanna mostly play mythic plus tank.. but maybe i want to give arms arena a try.. no raiding planned at the moment.. would you still recommend kyrian?
hot oxide
night fae
plush tendon
NF or Venthyr if you want to PVP arms
hot oxide
that's the real play, is night fae
plush tendon
you can do well with whatever Cov
Theres also no harm with trying each one out a bit
hot oxide
if your warr is 60 already, he can't switch with no penalty
clear vigil
Kyrian or Necrolord ?
plush tendon
I mean, the penalty really aint that bad
junior osprey
If you get first quest on Monday you can swap in 2 days
junior osprey
And that’s only if you’re going back to a previous cov. A new covenant or first covenant choice is instant
plush tendon
its probably the least useful, but still viable
plush tendon
since it gives you good ST damage, decent soulbinds, and Venthyr dungeon buffs
compact pulsar
i dont like the flavor of NF so i will go kyrian i think
fierce field
do you have a regular group you play with? that could inform the decision as well
compact pulsar
no, i think i need to play some group finder first
i am really thankful for your help btw 🙂
woeful vine
i prefer necro.. i can get up to 27% str with banner, plus 2% primary to 2 nearby players, and the 400 mastery
hot pasture
necro feels like absolute shit compared to nf or kyrian imo lol
fierce field
even lowering the channel from 4s to 3s... fleshcraft still feels like you could be doing something better with that time.
floral pewter
Fleshcraft feels good imo
it's a nice defensive CD
banner feels like dogshit though
unimpactful button which is difficult and fiddly to use
signal plover
Making banner sound good requires ignoring the fun of the immediate feedback that comes from using any of the other 3 covenant abilities.
strong forum
Thoughts of exploiter working with shield slam
That'd be omega nice for venthyr pwar
light coral
I got vault day questions... I'm stuck between the Spare Meat Hook (220) or the ritualists treasured ring. Neither of my current rings have haste on them and my trinkets are sanguine vintage and gluttonous spike
strong forum
Go with Ring then
dapper coral
For people who have killed/are progressing on M Donny, is there any covenant that stands out? I assume not but I really don't mind what covenant my warrior is, I like them all.
light coral
TY
eternal marsh
I also have a question regarding vault ring and current ring. Vault ring - 226 (148 vers/68 mast) vs 216 Ring Socketed haste (142 haste/57 Mast). Currently 10 ilvls above, Recommendations?
strong forum
I also have a question regarding vault ring and current ring. Vault ring - 226 (...
Socket itself is 10-13ilvl
So the 216 is better
Cuz it has a fuckton of haste and a socket
eternal marsh
That makes sense, just wanted to get a second opinion. Thank you!
solemn magnet
No way a socket is 13ilvl. 6 maybe
thin hamlet
I have a question. Is it normal that you have higher healing on yourself than the healer does on you? I can understand it on BDK, Palas etc that has very good self healing but I am new to warrior tanking so not sure how the ratio should be. I did around 15% more healing to myself than my healer just now in a 16 at 210 ilvl and healer is 221.
ionic fern
Did you die? If not then it's fine. Healers should keep you up when needed but just panic spam healing every time you drop to 80 percent hp is also kinda overkill.
still pagoda
warrior also has excellent mitigation that leads to such shenanigans. You basically require much less healing in usual scenarios
thin hamlet
Yeah I did die a couple of times. I was more around 50 and below a lot of the time where I just feel like nothing happens to my health.
ionic fern
Did you die due to no heals or poor play? :D
The healer i used to play with kep me at 50 percent a lot as well. 😂
Not that it was comfortable but w/e.
ionic fern
Anyways,healing done doesn't matter unless you are dying. If you are dying try to understand if it's due to poor play/failed mechanics/kicks etc. Chances are the healer you played with was also just bad.
ionic fern
considering that i'm moving to healing now...
Wrong role. But it was a druid who just threw hots on me and complained at me when i was taking damage cause he wanted to dps. 😂
still pagoda
Wrong role. But it was a druid who just threw hots on me and complained at me wh...
not wrong for me. Still need some time to refresh myself after end of BfA attempts to find a guild as a tank
floral pewter
I find that typically about half of my healing taken is from myself, and the other half is from the healer
but depending on the run that ratio could change
so doing 65% of your own self-healing might mean the healer is struggling, hard to say without more context
if DPS keep trying to face-tank Spitefuls, you won't get as much healer attention, haha
still pagoda
Wrong role. But it was a druid who just threw hots on me and complained at me wh...
You remember BfA catweave-over-all dummos?
At least your bro does give you hots
light thicket
They put up 9.1 ptr? Nice
shut summit
not yet @lavish oracle
sick sentinel
but not very info so far tbh
rancid ember
Buttons confirmed for new raid
cloud tide
any warrior changes on ptr?
languid juniper
mighty cairn
cloud tide
what is condemn?
still pagoda
Big execute basically
haughty token
Uh is Bladedancer armor kit any good?
strong forum
No
untold oak
Worst trinket NA
haughty token
ilvl 213 from my drop vs my ilvl 187 trinkets
is the ilvl justification?
or still not worth
proper crest
Glory could be huge in progression raiding
untold oak
Use for ilvl imo
haughty token
So should I just take my only other option
ring of perpetual conflict ilvl 210 (upgrade from my 194)
obtuse marsh
The nf leggo feelsgoodman
proper crest
The covenant leggo overall looks veeeeery decent
lavish oracle
low kindle
good to blast low keys i suppose
lavish oracle
nah, this is soulbind ability
shut summit
thats mikanikos final level soulbind
strong forum
Oh
haughty token
Use for ilvl imo
Is the ilvl 213 crappy trinket better then ilvl 210 ring? Even if ring is a smaller ilvl upgrade?
still pagoda
Still shit if I have to give up reprisal
Well, same shit as always
amber herald
new leggos any good? my first impressions are no
obtuse marsh
I need to see new traits and kyrian leggo
lavish oracle
The Venthyr one seems good for ST
infinite Last Stand during execute phases if you're managing rage well, ye?
untold oak
Is the ilvl 213 crappy trinket better then ilvl 210 ring? Even if ring is a smal...
Ring stats crit/mastery?
haughty token
Ring stats crit/mastery?
yeah vs my current 194 ring which is haste vers
or vers mastery
amber herald
a dot for AA is Zzzz
haughty token
which is my other ring
untold oak
I would just go for whatever gives you biggest ilvl boost, imo
haughty token
I would just go for whatever gives you biggest ilvl boost, imo
kk ty
untold oak
You'll be switching everything out on the weekly until you get around 220ilvl anyways
So just go for ilvl until upgrades are harder to come by
patent osprey
thats mikanikos final level soulbind
too bad bronn is a monkey 😦 can never run him in m+
strong forum
🐒
sick sentinel
Venthyr: Condemn extends the duration of Last Stand by 4 sec, Colossus Smash by 1.5 sec, Recklessness by 3 sec
this sounds pretty fine
strong forum
The last stand thing is huge
Basically infinite LS
This is gonna get nerfed
100%
untold oak
Love LS
strong forum
The increased rage gen will make you pump condemns out of your ass
With infinite LS in execute
sick sentinel
i mean a lot of this shit is going to be super nerf
the Symbol of Hope one
from HPriest
is super strong
as it is right now
carmine rain
hpriest in every prog raid now
sick sentinel
If it keeps like that, 100% sure
60 secs less on a major def ability is really huge
sick sentinel
Indeed. Its super huge.
carmine rain
or immunites
dim glade
im pretty sure its not balanced for prot
remote tusk
still pagoda
Casual 90k DPS ashen hallow let's go
tbf, as far as I've read and asked around the holy section of HoW discord, both kyrian and venthyr are great in their own way. So I'm fine with picking my dish launcher for flexibility in different content instead of red consecrate
patent osprey
Venthyr: Condemn extends the duration of Last Stand by 4 sec, Colossus Smash by ...
If this is actually good, say goodbye to all of our AM talents 😦 noone wants that
languid juniper
Make AM baseline for all war spec thx
shut summit
i wish
patent osprey
Last stand on its own without bolster is kinda crap :/, so extending it wouldn't matter that much lol
languid juniper
Ewwww
patent osprey
u can!
languid juniper
Gross
rigid elm
Plz make devastator baseline while you're at it!
sick sentinel
just make kyrian leggo Spear of Bastion destroy all enemies
or Archon coming from the sky
ionic fern
and ur dps will die 🙂
No need for extended Last Stand if you're not tanking anything due to not having aggro.
😂
ionic fern
I want them to add a interrupt part to Kyrian..steal boomies solar beam and slam it ontop of it with blue color.
patent osprey
just make kyrian leggo Spear of Bastion destroy all enemies
Kyrian lego: When you die, you are instead put back to full health as a Valky'r sacrifices themself for your greatness.
grand drum
this will be very broken or very bad
still pagoda
I want them to add a interrupt part to Kyrian..steal boomies solar beam and slam...
Or make it drag all enemies into center of its zone so that it would really be the Ursol's Vortex on crack
still pagoda
Interrupts casts that way too
ionic fern
Just gotta wait for number tunings now.
languid juniper
8 is big wtf
sick sentinel
but i love the hype of reading all new stuff coming in
proper crest
what is the thing that can give LS almost 100% uptime ? @strong forum
still pagoda
what is the thing that can give LS almost 100% uptime ? <@!192743144276623360>
New condemn lego from ptr
sick sentinel
time to go PTR
patent osprey
I don't know about dungeons
def not good in Dungeons but I can see it on a raid fight like Sludgefist if there is one in the new raid
woeful vine
@patent osprey are you liking kyrian more than the others? i know you've tried most of them if not all of them
patent osprey
Omg LOOL
rigid elm
I cry every time :(
woeful vine
lol
patent osprey
Ive tried all the covs thus far at max renown... but in my list of BIS
NF > Kyrian > Necro > Venthyr for utility + Survival
NF > Kyrian > Venthyr > Necro for the most fun
Kyrian > Venthyr > Necro > NF for cov diversity
woeful vine
do you feel like you get more rage/damage from spear or AA?
patent osprey
@woeful vine I get more rage on Demand from Spear, but u get more rage overall through AA
woeful vine
<@!158639066529792000> I get more rage on Demand from Spear, but u get more rage...
awesome. thanks! i tried kyrian early on before i was doing higher keys so i didn't get an accurate comparison to NF
plush tendon
I just got comfertable with the game
wth blizz
well.... at least I can be Necro, NF or Kyrian xD
zenith barn
do i do this?
sick sentinel
Ive tried all the covs thus far at max renown... but in my list of BIS
NF > Kyr...
Thats really interesting, thanks for share
i assume that this list can get super shifted towards 9.1
with a lot of changes, soulbinds and such that can happen
im really happy at kyrian (specially to pug into NW/SoA) but i did NF campaign just in case
so im ready to change
patent osprey
i assume that this list can get super shifted towards 9.1
yup ^.^ gotta know what the seasonal affix is to make any clear decisions
sick sentinel
I thought that in terms of survival and such
it was more like NF=Kyrian
i assume they are pretty close
omg... bonus roll is coming back next patch
elfin pebble
Is our Vanguard getting nerfed in those notes?
sick sentinel
Is our Vanguard getting nerfed in those notes?
So far i saw no nerf to warrior
elfin pebble
Vanguard Hardened by battle, all damage taken is reduced by 10%, your Stamina is increased by 25% and your Armor is increased by 60% of your Strength. was what I saw in a datamined note
on wowhead
thorny wing
just a tooltip change i think, for the DR change every Tank got
real veldt
Yeah
stark lion
Reprisal on legs over boots?
rigid elm
Reprisal on legs over boots?
Yeah ideally. I just slapped it on my boots though because it was easier to swap in for Thunderlords
toxic prairie
are we getting another 10 percent damage reduction?
because it looks like all tanks are getting another 10 percent dmg reduction
rigid elm
I don't think so. Pretty sure they're just updating the tooltip to reflect the recent changes
toxic prairie
gotcha, bummer
rigid elm
I guess maybe they're trying to gut warrior and dh utility to bring us inline with the other tanks? Kind of pepega
rigid elm
I assumed it meant they were removing Chaos brand, or at least making it baseline for DHs.
Hopefully it doesn't mean that battle shout is relegated to Torghast
amber herald
It's possible but they could also just be changing the spell's ID so it works with a leggo/soulbind we haven't seen yet
I hope they do get rid of chaos brand though
distant crystal
chaosbrand is already baseline tho
amber herald
I would gladly sacrifice battle shout if it got rid of chaos brand
mighty valley
wouldn't overanalyze weird out of place datamining things like this
hot oxide
9.1 looking good
mighty valley
moving battle shout to torghast only would be unbelievably weird, so it's likely just some weird data categorization thing
or this is like a dupe power that interacts with torghast systems
shut summit
yea still works fine on ptr, likely somethin else
strange lintel
rigid elm
What's the theoretical uptime of Last Stand in the condemn ranges?
mighty valley
I was initially mad that they picked last stand, but between bolster and the rage gen conduit, it could be pretty sick
rigid elm
You need to execute ~26 times over the two minutes to guarantee 100% uptime with bolster
I guess you don't exactly need to dump rage into shield block any more
strange lintel
we dont have to spam it too its just every 4 seconds
for recklessness. my reck was on cooldown before i ran out of the first recklessness as fury
mighty valley
if I had this legendary, rage would be going nowhere but condemn
rigid elm
Every condemn is a chance for a shield slam reset too. Could be kind of fun.
The non condemn range though...
strange lintel
would probably have enough rage to put ignore pain up most of the time
depending on how much dmg is going in
amber herald
last stand and shield block are two separate buffs
strange lintel
amber herald
so you'd have to spend rage on sb and condemn
rigid elm
last stand and shield block are two separate buffs
Last stand applies shield block with the bolster talent
strange lintel
not if you talent into last tand giving shield block
mighty valley
if they don't make sure sb extends with bolster last stand, they're cowards
amber herald
yes but it's a separate buff
that leggo only says last stand
it's not like there's a bolster buff
strange lintel
and last stand spected keeps block 100% while its up
rigid elm
Yeah, I guess it depends on blizzard's implementation
amber herald
I don't think extending last stand is going to extend the duration of shield block with bolster
mighty valley
they could go either way. i'm just saying if they go the uncool way, they're uncool
amber herald
it'd still be a really good ST damage buff with the rage conduit
rigid elm
- you get the sweet sweet condemn animation
mighty valley
yeah that's true - if conduits keep getting buffed it'll be pretty huge
look i don't need much of an excuse to press condemn, just at least let me pretend i'm being smart while i'm taking the condemn legendary
strange lintel
looks like currently it does not work so @amber herald is right
mighty valley
cowards
strange lintel
rip
last stand goes up
shield block keeps ticking down
maybe its a bug? maybe not ? its a mystery
mighty valley
yeah i'm sure it'd be some work to reimplement for this specific interaction
since i'm guessing it just checks the duration of last stand and adds a SB buff of that duration at the start
rigid elm
That's certainly how they've implemented it now, but hopefully they change it. After all, the bolster tool tip says "and it grants you the Shield Block effect for its duration."
mighty valley
honestly always report it again
shut summit
yea can see it both ways tbh - kind of leaning towards intended cuz it'd be a bit much with that much block uptime, but doesn't hurt to report anyways, i'll do the same
strange lintel
https://gyazo.com/efb94d7c5f8511576f857a35e4fd3965 ? i terrible at this help
mighty valley
I think that gets the point across
strange lintel
lvl50 talent bolster grants last stand, a shield block effect while its active.the legendary effect sinful adds 4 seconds to last stand every time we condeomn but last stand block buff does not get updated along with it.
dunno why i ate the "while"
rigid elm
👏
strange lintel
have we seen any interactions like this one before
there was an azerithe power that would grant you loads of mastery while avatar was up. and we had a skill that would proc avatar for a few seconds randomly, which still granded the mastery effect.
its kinda the same right
rigid elm
I'm not sure
twilit jay
I'm wanting to get into higher keys, currently my guild has a few dps who can't really run much higher. We do mostly heroic content so I am not sure they won't get much higher then like 12s. Are there any resources outside of pugging out there?
honest plinth
wait what
strange lintel
do you mean heroic nathria by heroic ?
mighty valley
wait what
probably just some weird datamining thing. we still have battle shout on PTR so I wouldn't worry about this
twilit jay
Yeah
strange lintel
have you started em up on 10s
mighty valley
Keys and raids are pretty different skills, a heroic guild could get KSM fine gearwise but you'd have to all be down to learn together
strange lintel
running 10s should get their feet wet and used to the intricacies of mythic mechanics while not being overwhelmed by the dps requirements
twilit jay
Yeah but usually they don't want to run more then like a 12 and I kind of want more lol