protection

[jagged pier]

and phial is pretty good

but fleshcraft isnt bad

[half scarab]

Fair enough... Tho what about Night Fae? 😄 Icy Veins says it's best for raiding and M+ atm. I actually wasn't aware of that until just a second I ago.

wait

nvm

what the hell am I talking about

I'm sleep deprived

Ignore me 😄

[jagged pier]

NF is objectively our best m+ covenant

but really its like kyrain = NF tbh

[half scarab]

Fair enough.

I guess I'll just stick with Kyrian then. 😄 Just got them to max renown anyways

[lofty widget]

it all depends what role you wanna fill, generally a lot of dps are NF and thats why we tend to go kyrian

[half scarab]

Aye, good point. Kyrian does seem to be the overall better choise

[jagged pier]

over all its better its more defensive but is also great for offense its the best al rounder for m+ and raiding

[sick sentinel]

also Kyrian pot are super valuable

i mean, at least if you compare it with soulshape

i like way more the kyrian lore and ability so im happy its that good for us 😄

[stone sonnet]

hi guys

do you have a good plater profile to suggest?

[median tulip]

If you Intervene on your co-tank on Sludgefist, you are essentially solo tanking him. Sludge is the fight where I would always use The Wall TBH

[stiff tusk]

Oh i thought sludge was a good one to use reprisal on, yeah i tried to intervene on cotank for 1 pull before i went back to the wall LOl

[jagged pier]

you can use it fine

[lofty widget]

just have them cancel the intervene buff

[stiff tusk]

thats too big brain for my cotank tbh lol

[jagged pier]

i mean you dont need to intervene your co tank at all

[lofty widget]

i mean make ama cro for them /cancelaura intervene o r something

[jagged pier]

to use reprisal on sludge

[lofty widget]

can recommend pixel perfect as a starting point, im using a modified version of that atm

[stiff tusk]

yeah i just decided on a whim to try it and once we started i was like "Uh who do i intervene too?" so went cotank and had a bad time

[median tulip]

With all of Sludgefist's downtime you don't really need Reprisal's additional uptime at all

[jagged pier]

i dunno i would use anything else but it on slduge tbh

u get like 1 more use of the SW running the wall than u do with reprisal

and u do more damage

[median tulip]

He spends so much time Roaring and stomping - and does it on such predictable scripted timings - that he's a doddle to keep active mitigation up for

[jagged pier]

i mean u can use roars and stomps to charge back in

🤷

so u just save your mitigation

get more blocked hits

and use SW the same amount of time

like reprisal is far better

[median tulip]

My co tank is a DK; if I charge I'm taking both hits for like 5 seconds lol

[stiff tusk]

yeah the mitigation isnt what i wanted to use it for, just wannted to get a little more damage than i would using the wall.

[jagged pier]

then get your dk to run a little bit agianst the raor so u charge past him

and then just wait a couple of seconds after stomp so again your dk is infront of you

like chains is 12 yards

its very easy to charge on sludge

shameless plug someone asked me to talk through how i used it on sludge because i did it pretty early after the patch when ppl still said u should use it on sludge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNrx_TNv1No&ab_channel=Jakeyplops

it was based around no intervening my co-tank as he fuck up the macro until the first week

where i got him to fix it

[fresh belfry]

hej, on how many targets is revenge a dps gain per rage spent over condemn, considering armor since condemn is magic

[jagged pier]

well condemn only hits 1 target

so 3+ revenge is better

probably 2+

and the mitigation from condemn only applys to the target u hit

dont forget that bit

[strong forum]

Dmg per rage is better on 2-3 targets on revenge, ye

Gotta keep that in mind aswell

[fresh belfry]

2 or 3? 😄

thats the question!

[strong forum]

Idk how hard condemn hits

[jagged pier]

i mean as it give no benefit +1 target i would say 2

but @sweet summit would be the person to ask

[strong forum]

But basically divide the dmg condemn does, by 2 cuz rage, then divide it #of targets

[torn stump]

also revenge isnt red, which is like, -50% benefit

[jagged pier]

well revenge is 20 rage and condemn is 30 but refunds right

so its like same rage cost

[strong forum]

Up to 40

Wasn't it

[fresh belfry]

up to 40 and also magic damage so its not reduced by armor

and yes refunds 20%

[jagged pier]

so its a case of 2x revenge vs 1 condmen

[strong forum]

Yes

[jagged pier]

the revenges willbe more

99% sure

[fresh belfry]

the armor part is actually the crucial parts otherwise could just read tooltips

thought someone knows

[strong forum]

Armor is ~30%

In pve

But just go hit a dummy

[fresh belfry]

there is also way higher crit chance on condemn with ashen juggernaut

yeah sure guess ill figure it out myself just thought someone knew

[fresh belfry]

i think this is the most important part. also the condemn button always glows while the revenge button only glows sometimes

[empty locust]

working on SLG Myth, noticed in some logs that the other teams get the commandos drop the ground faster than we seem to get. Is there any trick to making this happen?

[jagged pier]

its al random on how fast draven is

[signal plover]

Just accept that, at any point, only about 90% of M SLG will make sense.

[jagged pier]

☝️

[signal plover]

Which is much better than pre nerf when it was like

50%

Fingers crossed for a kill on our end this week.

[jagged pier]

same

[errant oriole]

hey do yall think going from a 200 Haste vers ring to a 213 crit vers ring is a good thing?

and no I can not upgrade my current 200 ring lol

[plush tendon]

probably depends on a couple of factors. Is it a haste heavy vers ring you will be replacing? How much haste do you already have?

If its a haste heavy ring and your haste is relatively low or even with your other stats, I would just use the haste-vers ring. If not, give the crit vers one a go

Rings dont necessarily follow the N>N-1 rule for item level since there is no prim stat. Just extra stam and extra total secondaries

[twilit jay]

do you all find that following the weekly routes work really well? I keep getting told different routes from my guild and not sure what is best

[plush tendon]

The weekly route is a great place to start, but routes are something that generally differ from group to group due to personal preference

[sick sentinel]

If you are running with a guild group use the one that works best. Some of those Dratnos routes can be weird

[twilit jay]

yeah, we ran a few and they didnt really like them

[plush tendon]

Yea, he will include a lot of the predominant strategies in his routes, but they add complexity to a run that may not be necessary due to key level. Great place to start, but theres nothing wrong with importing his route, and changing things up

[sick sentinel]

The people I play with are pretty casual and are lucky to have invis pots in their bags so I just try to make routes that are super straight forward and don't require any special tactics

thats for 15's though

[plush tendon]

15s are still in the press W range of routing in my opinion

[sick sentinel]

yea

[plush tendon]

and should be treated as such

no need to be fancy, unless you will get a really bad overlap. Also, dont be afraid to be a little off % at the end and skip last pride

Pride=overrated

[signal plover]

One thing to note about Weekly route on raider io is that for some reason it defaults to "skip routes". I've found the "no skip" routes to be much more consistent for groups that are just doing their weekly chest obligations.

(there's tabs at the top of each dungeon route window on the site to switch between em)

[patent osprey]

All my Pug Routes are W 100% routes with 0 skips because I'm too cheap to use invis pots :)

[signal plover]

Ballin' on a budget

[inland raft]

Hold w routes solve many issues in pugs

[plush tendon]

Hold W routes are the best

[half flicker]

Dumb question.. Halls of Attonement gorgon bleed. like i just get melted by it, i leap away, try intercepting to my team to get further away, thunder clap slow etc.. if i still die is it on healers / my team to cc?

cause holy crap

[plush tendon]

The bleeds hurt; when at high stacks, good time to SW or jump away. You can also try to get a earlier reset by jumping at like 2 stacks, then charging back or even try to get a pro shockwave as the stacks are falling and let the debuff fall

in essence, it hurts, dont take too many stacks, its ok to leave and comeback for reset

[half flicker]

ok ok, its the only thing that has given me constant trouble

thank you

[plush tendon]

NP; HoA is a pug favorite dungeon since the bosses are pretty free. But the trash in the front area if not done well is a shit ton of extra tank damage

Probably one of the harder dungeons on a tank this expac to be honest.

in terms of raw damage you can be eating from no interrupts, bleeds, thrash etc.

[sick sentinel]

Kyrian pot to reset stacks help you keep the gorgon pulls stacked up for much longer so plan a use for that 🙂

[plush tendon]

Kyrian pot everrated

just shockwave and AA

free reset

😛

[sick sentinel]

Depends on if u have to save the shockwave for the beastmaster cast when u have derp pugs that cant stun 🙂

[plush tendon]

TBH, i dont even worry about that going off

[half flicker]

yeah, just sucks never been able to find a group to run keys with so always pugging

[plush tendon]

by the time they get loyal beasts off, im usually gone

[half flicker]

always get tards even if i go off io

[plush tendon]

Fear also works for that

They arent hard packs to tank, but you should be ready to dip once stacks get high or they get enraged and have a good path of escape

[sick sentinel]

Yeah it just speeds up everything significantly if you don't have to bail so early and spread them out of flame patches etc.

[plush tendon]

I mean, im assuming you held them together during the fire mages combust

[half flicker]

I'm running necrolord at the moment because i really like the visual appeal, and its cool idea behind the banner

but its just shit

[plush tendon]

hardcast flamestrikes hit like a wet noodle

[honest plinth]

Flame patches :D

[sick sentinel]

Well that was just an example, point being they die faster if they stay stacked up in one place 🙂

Not sure what level keys we are talking here though.

[plush tendon]

Im assuming 15+ range

but the strat tends to be the same as far as im aware

tank them together as long as possible, and dip when CDs are up or you have too many bleeds/enraged

[inland raft]

Can typically keep them pretty still with good leap/intervene to range/stuns for stacks. But if loyal beasts goes off then i suddenly remember i left the stove on, in africa.

[regal quartz]

Hey guys on my death knight I have Dark Command, my taunt, but I also have my grip. On raid bosses, this is effectively a second taunt. Does prot warrior have anything like that?

[jovial sable]

Challenging shout as an aoe taunt and heroic leap resets the taunt cd

not sure if theres another i dont know about

[signal plover]

That's usually more than enough in raids

[regal quartz]

oh snap I didn't realize heroic leap reset taunt

yeah that's great

and of course challenging shout, which dk doesn't have

[signal plover]

Most ppl don't know about leap reset tbh

[regal quartz]

that's pretty huge

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

whoops

[signal plover]

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiindeed

[regal quartz]

lol

I'm 183 ilvl but I already got the sun king trinket and the blood spattered scale

[plush tendon]

[regal quartz]

my dk is 223 and 5/10m so this is an amazing change

[eager idol]

Hello guys, what are the best stats to climb in the tank warrior for dungeons +?

[patent osprey]

Haste / Verse

[plush tendon]

Haste>=Verse>Crit=Mastery

Something like dat

[eager idol]

ty Pika

[jagged pier]

you both forgot ilvl

[plush tendon]

ah yea,the golden rule

[jagged pier]

or main stats i should say

[plush tendon]

N>N-1

[eager idol]

ty

[jagged pier]

if the piece gives main stat and its higher ilvl its an upgrade

once u have 2 pieces of armour at the SAME ilvl

then u choose the one with better stats

[tacit smelt]

I wanna cry, had a rogue botch a 20 DoS by taking 2 flowers and killing 2 ppl causing a 0% wipe, we had 6 mins going to muez if we didn't die

[jagged pier]

thats the pug life man

[analog swift]

btw for those asking, without best served cold it seems revenge does a little less than condemn on 3 targets due to armor.

For the maths I simply compared 5 max condemns (160 rage after the return) to 8 revenges

[plush tendon]

is the rage cost the same?

[analog swift]

yeah so 5 max condemns (32 rage per = 160 rage total) compared to 8 revenge casts (160 rage)

er i guess rage cost isn't the same but damage per rage assuming it scales linearly with condemn (which I think is reasonable)

i guess i could test a 28 rage condemn to super double check

[plush tendon]

just asking more out of curiosity. Wont be having Condemn anyways soo

[analog swift]

looks like it doesn't scale perfectly (which makes sense as a 20 rage condemn isn't 0 damage) looks like condemn wins by a good but not huge margin on 3 targets

[patent osprey]

too bad condemning doesn't help with aoe threat and or bolster killing 😦

[plush tendon]

Imagine how swag that would be

even a hard cap 5 target condemn

would be juiced

but prob be pretty bonkers

[jagged pier]

GIVE FURY WW

[distant crystal]

hell even sweeping strikes

[brittle owl]

gib overpower

kthx

[still pagoda]

[still pagoda]

that was talked about ever since SL beta

blizz didn't give a fuck

[chilly brook]

Oh @still pagoda is back?

[still pagoda]

a bit

maybe

potentially

on inertia of S23 in D3

[chilly brook]

[still pagoda]

i'm still salty about what happened at the start of SL

so i think it'll take another few months to detox

[chilly brook]

Probably not a bad idea

9.1 on PTR soon so probably a new patch in like 2 months

[still pagoda]

well, i'll have to start essentially from scratch

logs from Nyalotha and BfA keys are nothing nowadays

[signal plover]

https://c.tenor.com/tQ5V2vpG2YwAAAAM/trash-wrecked.gif

[night pebble]

Is there a certain amount of haste we want before using vers enchants/gems or is just hate all the way?

[plush tendon]

You only start getting vers if you need it to survive outright, which would be only at the 21+ key level

[night pebble]

Okay sweet, works for me

ty

[plush tendon]

Granted, if you have a lot of haste for some reason and your other secondaries are low, I can see a reason to gem and enchant a different secondary

but for like 99% of us, just go haste

[night pebble]

Okay

thats what I kinda figured, just wanted another voice to tell me lol

[modern brook]

hi 🙂

[still pagoda]

heyo

[astral scarab]

to get leggo through twisting corridors. can it be on any layer?

[astral crystal]

3+

[honest plinth]

according to r.io haste>vers even at highest lvl

[deep steppe]

I mean vers stacking was only /really/ a thing because you could giga stack it in BFA.

like its still important in high high keys rn

but for like

95% of the content Haste is better

[honest plinth]

top 3 prot warrs are using haste gems and chants rn

[deep steppe]

yes but look at the actual stat %s

Plka has the most haste and hes at 23%

he also has 25% vers

just from gear

[inland raft]

Pvp gear is a helluva drug

[deep steppe]

^

[still pagoda]

as if 8.3 never went away

[honest plinth]

vers hater btw 😄

[still pagoda]

pure one

[deep steppe]

oh i can't stand vers

[inland raft]

I wish i had the motivation to do the pvp grind again, did it on dh though and over it

[still pagoda]

If fem could tank +26 with full TD, then everyone can

[honest plinth]

we will not use pvp gear in next season thanks god

[sweet summit]

are they changing pvp gear? 👀

[deep steppe]

I mean we prolly will at the start cause its ez to get

[inland raft]

Has dual scaling been confirmed?

[sweet summit]

idk

[inland raft]

I thought wad still speculation

[still pagoda]

pvp gear? Was i really away for far too long to never notice that???

[sweet summit]

ya same

[chilly brook]

They've expressed they want to change it

That's about as much as we know

[deep steppe]

until they actually do that though, i expect pvp gear will still be a go to

[chilly brook]

I'd assume they'd change it for 9.1 if they're going to

Realistically it wouldn't be too difficult

[inland raft]

Until pvp gear emis either dual rating or outright doesnt work in pve its gonna be bis

[still pagoda]

first all friends quit the game, then i quit. And now when i want to return, i would have to farm pvp gear smh without having even a single buddy to run arena with

[chilly brook]

Since they expressed potential WoD scaling

And they already have that system

[honest plinth]

i hope so. dont want to grind pvp for keys

i hate current situation

[inland raft]

I did it on dh and dont regret it, on warrior i havnt really felt the need

[chilly brook]

You dont have to

I'm like 224 without doing pvp

[inland raft]

Dh i felt the need for high vers far more then warrior

[still pagoda]

i don't even remember what gear my warri has lul. Been far too long since December

[honest plinth]

ye you dont but pvp gear is still godlike rn

[inland raft]

Im a vers lover but warrior def much less dependent on it then a lot since outside bleeds and magic damage we basically just getting a deep tissue massage

[strong forum]

Dont

[still pagoda]

What dont

[jagged pier]

KARTON BACK

[still pagoda]

[strong forum]

Don't come back

Save yourself

[jagged pier]

i mean nomes not wrong

[still pagoda]

what?? I don't understand a bit. Wtf is even going on in WoW nowadays?

[jagged pier]

nothing

literally nothing

[strong forum]

Games shit, if you don't wanna spam bad dungeons there's only raidlogging :D

[still pagoda]

so the shitty mechanics that everyone pointed out in first 3-4 weeks of SL were not fixed at all?

How're tanks at least? The problem of paper fixed or not?

[strong forum]

Semi fixed if you're a bear or pwar

[still pagoda]

tbf, the only thing that pushed me out of WoW is the way i got stranded after BfA with no raiding guild and M+ group and no hope to find anything again, so...

[plush tendon]

Games shit if you dont got a squad

or a guild

[sweet summit]

i cant wait for three more months of nathria farm!! so hyped!!!!!

[plush tendon]

or friends

[jagged pier]

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

[still pagoda]

now imagine such situation.

You get laid off from the position of a tank that you got pretty tight on(and in guild's community in general as a good dude and M+ enthusiast) due to few inconsistencies on farm of last tier of expac(in my case it was Vexiona, but that was basically on me slacking and being tired of that tier by then. I was pretty steady on other bosses in terms of timings and performance). You're told you're going to get replaced by that dude who played DPS for the past few months in the guild, and the only thing he has done as tank is keys, but he's been to keys 3-4 levels higher than what you've pushed.
Then you get stranded again and again, because everyone expects your spec to be utter garbage in SL. Then you get into a guild and get kicked right before the heroic week of Nathria because everyone expects pwarri to be garbage "because bleeds". And you get stranded, your friends leave the game and so you're now stuck with trying to pug.
I just quit at that point because i had no reason to burn myself out any further

[strong forum]

And then pwar was brought to the World first race

[still pagoda]

as if farming any tier for more than usually expected amount of time between you clearing it and the new tier is "fun"

[strong forum]

And people still called it shit

[still pagoda]

yeah, and i was still stranded

[jagged pier]

well the whole ppl thinking pwarri bad hasnt changed

[still pagoda]

[still pagoda]

it never changes ever since 7.1.5 lul

[plush tendon]

Yea, games shit if thats your situation

cant even blame you for not playing XD

[still pagoda]

xD

[plush tendon]

and people still think PWar is undertuned, but they are just a bunch of casuals

https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657

[still pagoda]

the problem is that at this point, i will probably never get into a good guild again. Which is just...

[plush tendon]

its a rip

Lost my tank spot early in the expac cause we had a friend of our RL wanting to raid with him (and hes up there on front page of Raiderio so hard to turn that down). Then they burnt out the first week going for realm first 15 and proceeded to quit the game for 3 months XD

just happy to be off my mage 🙂

[solid cairn]

Imagine being in a guild, you take one week of because of IRL and then when you came back, there is no people playing in the guild

That's fun too

[strong forum]

Sounds like what my guild would end up as

[still pagoda]

your guild died again?

[strong forum]

would

[still pagoda]

nome. Why does it have to always be that way?

[strong forum]

It's not dead as long as I'm RL

[plush tendon]

Lol, after we lost our RL at the start we thought we would die or turn into a casual RBG guild

now we are at SLG mythic and the new RL is like 'well.... didnt expect us to be here TBH'

[strong forum]

No I mean I would be the one to kill it

I don't wanna raid anymore

[still pagoda]

[strong forum]

But I have to

[still pagoda]

relatable

[still pagoda]

that is usually the first sign of a severe burnout

[solid cairn]

What's funny is that my guild wanted to have the cutting edge

[modern brook]

pwar has consistently been able to appear underpowered so it gets buffs

And ima big fan of that

"oh yah our damage is bad ;)"

[still pagoda]

CE is easy as long as you guys have motivation to play and improve. Being pretentious motherfuckers doesn't help that in the slightest

[solid cairn]

But they didn't liked the fact that you can stay for more than 30 tries on a boss

[still pagoda]

"oh yah it's not 2x every single DPS of the game so we're gonna buff it again"

[plush tendon]

Progression raiding aint for everybody

[still pagoda]

;)

[modern brook]

all of our prog fights so far have downed on the 69th pull

[solid cairn]

That's a nice number

[plush tendon]

[modern brook]

we're 6/10 and hungering, inverva, and articer

down in 69

[still pagoda]

600 pulls on mythic G'huun. No CE.

I didn't go mad, left the game the moment my guild died and returned with newfound power later on

and got my CE

[modern brook]

i think sunking we fucked tbh only like 20 pulls

downed him same night we got to him

[strong forum]

Artificer in 69 pulls ain't bad

[plush tendon]

same; we did well on Sunking, well on Darkvein, bad on council

[solid cairn]

the progress is the only time when the raid is fun

[strong forum]

I disagree

[modern brook]

our seed runners had their shit together

[solid cairn]

And CN is just a garbage raid

[modern brook]

i got to afk dps the boss it was really pog

[strong forum]

Killing bosses is much more fun than progging them

[plush tendon]

CN is too goddamn long

[modern brook]

hard disagree on both

[solid cairn]

No bos is really fun as a dps or a tank for me

[modern brook]

CN has just been out for too long

CN itself is a great raid

[solid cairn]

Except inerva

I like inerva

[strong forum]

Progging is maybe fun if you're in a Hof guild

But outside of that idk man

[still pagoda]

sadly i never got to experience it for aforementioned reasons

[plush tendon]

progging is fun when you are progging with the bois

[sweet summit]

^

[modern brook]

hand of farts?"

[strong forum]

I'm progging with the Bois, but fuck me the rest is dogshit

[modern brook]

yeah dungeons this expac are kinda ass ngl

there isnta single dungeon im like excited to do

[solid cairn]

From my past experience, i just liked the progress of the raid as a tank

When you just do the weekly clean, it's just

[strong forum]

Na i mean half of the raid is just way worse than the other

[solid cairn]

boring

[strong forum]

That doesn't make it fun

[modern brook]

But thats ok cause pvp is actually busted fun this expac

so just been doin that instead

[light thicket]

Except when ppl wipe and there's nothing you can do about it

[strong forum]

Raiding is literally about finding 20 non braindead people

And thats so hard

[signal plover]

These all sound like personal problems tbh

[modern brook]

what do you mean except that is the raid tank experience

[signal plover]

Stemming from either ego or unrealistic expectations or both

[light thicket]

Fuck i feel this so much

[signal plover]

But w/e

[modern brook]

Its not ego if im right :^)

[solid cairn]

don't really care on progress but if you do the clean and there is some boss that malke you whype because the dps is braindead

That's when this is just boring

[still pagoda]

i would say that trash being absolutely fucked up, much less options being available and dumbing down of mechanics and possible usage of tools at hand is what makes SL dungeons seem horrendous compared to BfA and Legion.
Even such simple thing like interactivity is not here.
Trash being all over the place and terribly balanced doesn't add to it in the slightest

[light thicket]

My guild wasnt going to do mithyc this patch

But we tried shriekwing on saturday

You had to be there

[modern brook]

I will say that moving into a ush group (with the boys) and doing push-key-pulls has made me like them a lot more

[light thicket]

Ppl looking at discs coming their way

[modern brook]

but the problem then stems from the fact that my classes arent allowed to have fun on those kinds of pulls

[light thicket]

And not moving

[still pagoda]

if only my bois didn't live the game in first 2 weeks...

[light thicket]

Over and over again

[modern brook]

If everyone could have as much fun as clothies on prog-keys i think I'd mind the dunegon layouts much less

[solid cairn]

For me the m+ is pretty good , except that the prot war is capped at 5 targets, that's just garbage

[modern brook]

prots sqrt on most things innit

[signal plover]

It is

[plush tendon]

false! reduce damage past 5 targets

[modern brook]

or like the worlds stupidest scaling to 20 soft cap on revenge

[plush tendon]

learned that yesterday 🙂

[modern brook]

its like linear to 5 then sqrt to 13 then linear again to 18

something like that

[signal plover]

Maths

In either case, not capped at 5

[still pagoda]

entirety of target capping was a really stupid thing to begin with. Especially with cloth classes being not affected at all and ruining quite a lot of fun for everyone else

[modern brook]

same for clap

but its actually just stupid lol

[still pagoda]

don't forget how target-capped BDK is...

[solid cairn]

Yeah but the threat gen is bad after 5 target if you don't have everything up

[modern brook]

fuck bdk

[still pagoda]

unless they unfucked it in last 4 months

[plush tendon]

yea, but BDK doesnt do damage anyways XD

[modern brook]

they have gorefiends utility

[plush tendon]

I should know... hits like a wet noodle

😦

[solid cairn]

The pull for the ardenweald part of DOs is shit for prot but easy for DH

Because target cap

[solemn magnet]

Huh?

[plush tendon]

what you talking bout?

[signal plover]

Wot?

[plush tendon]

Ardenweald is great for Prot War; its all phyiscal!

[modern brook]

that pull is easy cause u have a big urn

[solemn magnet]

I've never had issues there

[modern brook]

tank has no bearings on it

[solid cairn]

No just have the aggro on all

[plush tendon]

Challenging Shout my dude

[modern brook]

ravagenger

[solid cairn]

Yeah you need all

But you just need one sigil for dh

[light thicket]

Last stand for big rage gen

[sweet summit]

i havent had aggro issues there

[modern brook]

I mean

If you're comparing tanks by how many buttons they have to press

[solid cairn]

It's probably also because i'm bad at prot

[modern brook]

DH has less total buttons than we have for mitigation alone

so like dh always better confrimed

[plush tendon]

VDH rotation is 3 buttons

[solid cairn]

That's not what i mean

[fierce field]

demon hunter is a poop class for poop players 😉

[modern brook]

pin plz

[plush tendon]

But sigil is great for initial aggro, but you gotta land it

[solid cairn]

DH doesn't really have soft cap on g

his spell

[modern brook]

they do

[plush tendon]

reduce beyond 5 targets also

[solid cairn]

A soft cap at 20 is not really big

[modern brook]

Soul cleave is also hard capped at 5

[sweet summit]

is fel dev uncapped

[solid cairn]

Does the sigil of flamme and the immolation have a cap?

[modern brook]

soft to 20

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/shadowlands-target-capped-abilities-uncapped-capped-spells#demon-hunter-covenant

[sweet summit]

epic

[modern brook]

if anyone would like to just check

IDK how up to date it is

but frankly it doesnt matter we're tanks

[modern brook]

also soft to 20

[solid cairn]

Ok i was wrong

[modern brook]

sigil of flames total damage is also ~ half the scaling of revenge

including the dot

and not including dw

[solid cairn]

just it feel so much easier for me to have aggro with the DH, than with the war

[modern brook]

honestly you're not revenging enough then

the ability trucks

[floral pewter]

I know my bear cotank gets frustrated with me for pulling all of the aggro on big packs in CN

so it could be worse, haha

[modern brook]

and if its not you then its your dps popping cds like the baboons they are

bear dps is actually op

if we're going to be honest with everyone

[still pagoda]

so a lot of this shit is still the case... Great blizz, great. Ehhh, I'll still think of getting back into WoW despite what Nome wrote

[modern brook]

bear in berserk is insane

[still pagoda]

most of the time people overfocus on "tanking"

everywhere

[floral pewter]

to be fair, he's also the only venthyr bear in the world, maybe with Convoke it's a lot different

[solid cairn]

you just need to not die as a tank

[still pagoda]

i would say a bit differently. Play correctly and you won't annoy your healers in the slightest while pumping dps

[modern brook]

ven bear is even sicker dude

U just get mad and then get red

then u press thrash

and are simultaneusly mad, red, unkillable, and dealing a trillion damage

[still pagoda]

everything dies

because it's thrash

[modern brook]

I think you actually take incarn nowadays?

IDR

bear tanks are just warriors that are afraid of shields tbh

[still pagoda]

always have been

[modern brook]

I dont think bears ever bear-voke

Our push-key tank is a bear and he'll like call for cc disengage->owlvoke

[still pagoda]

btw

TGV

dead?

or what?

[modern brook]

tlords?

[still pagoda]

yup

good old one

[modern brook]

was losing to wall before 905

completely loses to reprisal

Options are reprisal or wall rn mostly

[floral pewter]

well, shows what I know about bear tanks, haha

[still pagoda]

reading through Mwahi's guide rn. God... WTF is that Reprisal. Like, holy crap, leap-charging is back baby

but on a different spec

[floral pewter]

Reprisal is bae

[plush tendon]

❤️

[modern brook]

yeah new reprisal is kinda nuts

i honestly havent crafted it yet

[patent osprey]

Seismic Gang!

[modern brook]

the keys i tank arent high enough to justify the ash

just rock my 235 wall

[still pagoda]

seems like i'll have to learn a lot of things from scratch again. Well, that's absolutely normal

[modern brook]

the class is fundementally the same as it has been, fwiw

have a shield, use it,

[still pagoda]

i mean nuances and stuff

class haven't fundamentally changed since Legion

[modern brook]

yayaya im just saying ur better off when you come back than you tihnk you will be.

Although idk if theres still prot stigma in pugs

Havent had to pug a key in 4 months and i say my Our Fathers every night because of it

[still pagoda]

the main thing of concern to me is finding a guild and forming stable M+ group again. That will actually take some time

Prot stigma was everywhere ever since 7.1.5, yet it got frustratingly overwhelming in late BfA and SL. Or maybe it was me who felt it a lot since i got stranded amidst its highest degree of intensity

[modern brook]

maybe

I know DPS is physically impossible to pug now adays at the very least

I imagine Tank/healer is a little more agnostic

[still pagoda]

i had enough of pugging in late BfA and first 3 weeks of SL. It's always cancerous no matter what you play

though, going through it is somewhat necessary if you want to find any stable group after not playing for a while and finding out that all your friends left the game

[modern brook]

you could consdier m+ communities

at least limit your shitters to people who've taken the effort to find other ppl looking for m+ groups

[bleak karma]

I know upper reaches unlocks tomorrow, but was wondering if anyone knows if you can grab the Reprisal power from Twisting Corridors? I nabbed a power i didn't have from there earlier today, but wasn't sure if the correct upper reaches boss is in the rotation.

[solemn magnet]

You can. Just go in and out till you get the correct wing first 6 floors

[distant crystal]

^

[solemn magnet]

Still has to be on layer 3, tho

[bleak karma]

Right. You happen to know which wing? And is it just the upper reaches wing i guess?

[solemn magnet]

Yes

If you have layer 3 of TC unlocked, zone in and out till you get Upper reaches.

[still pagoda]

i'll think it through when i'll get back into the game. For now i'm going to get done with few things in next few weeks first and will probably touch WoW again in May or June, not earlier since i have few important matters at hands.

Might as well requalify into a healer for lulz

[modern brook]

ngl at least 3 healing specs are a blast rn

[still pagoda]

i had a ton of fun with MW monk in late BfA

[modern brook]

but i also have only played them at baby's frist level so maybe im just excited to do something new for once.

MW was not on that list lol

[still pagoda]

you've just broken my heart

[modern brook]

to my knowledge MW is super underperforming rn

wEll

wrong word

but they're very mana-inefficient

[mighty valley]

their fistweaving maintenance healing can be really efficient but if you need to panic heal everyone you can dump mana v fast

[still pagoda]

let me actually guess:
Pala, resto and Rsham?

[mighty valley]

our MW monk used to have to drink really often in m+ but once he got used to the dungeons he's fine now

[still pagoda]

[modern brook]

Disc Rsham Rdruid

[solemn magnet]

I'd say pally, holy priest, rsham, actually

[still pagoda]

usually it is exactly this. Once you get used to timings and routes, you're breezing through the dung

[modern brook]

I refuse to play pally but honestly they look fun

[solemn magnet]

All the disc priest I've pugged with have been garbage

[modern brook]

disc preist is hard to key

[mighty valley]

the difference between good disc priest and bad disc priest is ENORMOUS

holy, never the best, but it's simple enough that most randos can do fine

when someone's not confident on disc, i feel constantly at risk of dying

[solemn magnet]

That's been my experience. I'd rather take the holy over disc

[modern brook]

in my experience

[mighty valley]

but the best disc priests are incredibly strong

[modern brook]

If everyones doing their job

Disc is isane

as soon as something falls behind

[still pagoda]

i have my pala still on Kazzak. Might actually start playing my paladin instead of warri(and move warrior back from Draenor a bit later if i'll be able to get into a good shape and community) to move back to our endlessly memeworthy Greek-Swede-Russian server that Kazzak always was

[modern brook]

Disc starts sweatin

[solemn magnet]

I'm sure.

Hpally is satisfying to play

[mighty valley]

yeah both resto druid and disc priest benefit a lot from knowing the dungeons well and pre-planning big damage

can't just be like "uh oh! time to press my buttons"

[still pagoda]

any healer benefits from this greatly

same for tanks and routing

and DPS and being able to time cooldowns around the route

[mighty valley]

well sure, but some specs are more forgiving than others

[still pagoda]

yeah, but as you learn, it gets better and better no matter the spec

[modern brook]

yeah disc like has 0 "oh shit" buttons

[still pagoda]

some specs just have lower skill/knowledge floor

[modern brook]

people are at like 20% and ur like oh boy its time to smite

[still pagoda]

God... Those were good times

[fresh belfry]

I’m Mend, co-admin and webmaster for Focused Will (a Discipline Priest community, focusedwill.com) and guide author for the Icy Veins Discipline Guide.

Discipline Priest is the most complex specialization World of Warcraft has ever seen. It requires a more skill and knowledge than anything else in the game and as such can only be used to its potential by the best players in the game.

With such a huge barrier to entry there is a desire to not mix the community with standard players of the Priest class who are limited to Holy or Shadow, so Focused Will was created as a safe space for us to discuss our specialization

[modern brook]

did uhh

[still pagoda]

ehhhh

you know

[modern brook]

did i summon a bot

[solemn magnet]

right

[still pagoda]

DH discord being its own thing is good

[limpid pawn]

😮

[still pagoda]

since they're isolated from the rest of the world

[limpid pawn]

good times indeed

[still pagoda]

hey brollikk

[limpid pawn]

HELLO

long time

[still pagoda]

long time, no see

and still the same hatred for vers

[limpid pawn]

haha

are you still maining your prot war

[still pagoda]

i'm only thinking of getting back into the game again

took a 4 months long break at the start of SL

[limpid pawn]

maybe a big brain play lmao

[still pagoda]

more like a good burnout due to frustration

[limpid pawn]

this season was not kind to prot warriors until recent

[still pagoda]

tbf, main problem is always the community whining and marking prot warrior "garbage" 24/7. If only i had a good guild at the start of SL

could have avoided all that frustration and burnout

[flint tiger]

I know racials are not impactful enough, but just curious if regular dwarf stoneform is a good defensive CD (outside of a debuff cleanse) over the dark iron dwarf 1% passive physical dmg reduction

and semi curious if for damage it'd be better since we would typically want to hold the stoneform instead of using it on CD (like DI would need to) for the "damage" benefit

[obsidian stirrup]

New to tanking here, can i macro shield slam and shield block together? Or its not a good idea ?

[ionic fern]

100% no.

[ionic fern]

Regular dwarf is better for damage iirc. 🙂

[obsidian stirrup]

Because ill use sb when im not actively tanking?

Ty mwahi in advancw

e*

[floral pewter]

because you generally don't want to be spamming SB at random times, it's a defensive CD and should be used strategically

I mean, sometimes you're just tanking five dudes and you can use it on cooldown, because whatever

but lots of the time you need to hold it for a boss mechanic or etc

[flint tiger]

@ionic fern thanks for the answer. SIMs will show DI as higher, but I notice it always assumes using the fireblood racial on CD.

do you think regular dwarf stoneform is also useful enough as a %dmg CD for M+ (provided mostly physical dmg)? Or should it mainly be saved for cleansing debuffs?

[ionic fern]

It should be saved for cleansing debuffs, just like DID.

O hei, Karton is back

[still pagoda]

tbf, if i'm to return to the game, i'll get back onto EU-Kazzak, so will also play pala a decent chunk of the time since it's one of the characters that i left there before moving to Draenor. Then will just transfer over my warrior once i'm done with finding myself a place to be in again and will start going through the whole zero to hero prog from scratch.

[still pagoda]

yeah. Still hate vers, pugs and overdose on tea daily

[flint tiger]

cool thanks. Wonder why the DPS in the MDI chose DID (when they could) if they just wanted to save for the cleanse

i would think the flat 2% increase crit damage overall would be better

noticed the fire mages all went regular dwarf, makes sense b/c combustion

@ionic fern do you think DID 1% passive physical dmg reduction is sizable in an M+ setting?

[modern brook]

for prot war?

[flint tiger]

yes

[modern brook]

I would estimate it as about a 1% damage reduction 🧠

[flint tiger]

more so than the 10% DR you get when using stoneform, that is lol

i'm torn between both of the dwarves haha

[brittle owl]

play wichever looks cooler

[flint tiger]

wish they'd just combine it all into one haha

[modern brook]

sorry my epic joke aside Most people go DI cause the active is better

cause it gives str

iirc

and str is pretty fatty

[flint tiger]

gotcha, that's what i figured

[modern brook]

frankly; as you started this with; it doesnt really matter

[flint tiger]

right haha

[limpid pawn]

I'm maintaining 4 tanks atm

[flint tiger]

just out of boredom decided to talk about it for giggles and think it through with others. thanks for indulging me

[limpid pawn]

vdh, brew, prot war, prot pal

[flint tiger]

damn, that's dedication

[limpid pawn]

of those, until recent buffs prot pal felt the worst in keys

but now they are ok

[modern brook]

so you're maintaining 3 tanks atm

[still pagoda]

as if this is a bad thing. Variety in gameplay as always

[limpid pawn]

haha

it's fun yes, the variety keeps it from being stale

[still pagoda]

i still remember prot pala going ham on DPS on beta and early-early weeks of SL

[plush tendon]

it still does nutty dam

It just cant take a hit XD

but the real criminals are the Hpals

[still pagoda]

iirc, i have monk and pala on Kazzak and BDK and my good old warri on Draenor

[floral pewter]

when I play prot on my pal, I end up doing less dps than my warrior >.>

not sure how much of that is that I don't have Bulwark though

[plush tendon]

Im in the same boat

[still pagoda]

gear optimisation is pretty crucial to dps performance of prot pala

[plush tendon]

currently building my bulwark tomorrow

but Prot Wars pump so

[floral pewter]

optimization in what way?

[limpid pawn]

for prot pal, i think sigil is the best lego for m+ high keys

way more damage and utility esp when kiting

[plush tendon]

Its more general purpose

but Bulwark is the damage option

[strong forum]

forever a shit log on sludge

sadge

[sick sentinel]

hi i have 911=23% vers , and only 293=9% haste, should i change sockets and enchants to haste?

[light thicket]

Yes

Pls

[sick sentinel]

is there a cap to haste and vers?

[light thicket]

Not yet

At least on haste

I havent asked for versa

[sick sentinel]

i know im a strugling on global cooldown

probably because of low haste

well going to change

tks for the hellp

[still pagoda]

the specific thing that had never changed for prot warrior is priority on haste. You get better SB timings at 20% haste iirc(chaining 3 SB's in a row with >20% haste is pretty easy).

[light thicket]

Yup the more haste the smoother it gets

[still pagoda]

^

[light thicket]

Even more so when running reprisal

[sick sentinel]

ya ...theres a trinket that gives haste , ,but it puts soemthing on the ground

[light thicket]

Anima field emitter

[sick sentinel]

seen on youtube someone using it

but on a fight where we move a lot ...

[light thicket]

Yeah its a give and take

Altho remember that on non jewelry items

(neck, rings)

Ilvl is always more important

[sick sentinel]

ok changing to 220 ring :o)

123 haste

ok going to change it all tks mates u are the best

[modern brook]

yeah

we are the best

[distant crystal]

no u

[sick sentinel]

last question ...on talents....

haha

i play with my wife and my son :o)

shes my healer

i use [Impending Victory]

[sweet summit]

nah

dont

use indomitable

[jagged pier]

indom is far more healing

[modern brook]

I N D O M I T A B L E

[sick sentinel]

HAHAHA

i feel that i cheated on my wife mates

[signal plover]

Erga feeds his family by putting food on his indomitable

[sweet summit]

what does that even mean

[still pagoda]

[sick sentinel]

because shes strugling to keep me alive

[modern brook]

use the shield more

[sick sentinel]

move hp...lesss dead

k well i thing that i dont play well...have not good talents and ....

going to change it all

[light thicket]

... wut?

[light thicket]

Baby steps

[sick sentinel]

tks again

[signal plover]

Cuz...table

[sick sentinel]

will see what happens, *will tell u after one mith what my wife says)

[sweet summit]

oh tahts funny

[light thicket]

Im gonna have to ask you to leave

[signal plover]

No

[light thicket]

Security!

[signal plover]

Well hold on

You can ask

[sick sentinel]

👍

[modern brook]

we Axe questions in this chat

[sweet summit]

[deep steppe]

[modern brook]

u dropped this erga 😂

[sweet summit]

nah brug

[still pagoda]

and spear questions if they're too tricky

[signal plover]

I'm glad karton settled his emotions down for now

Was a turbulent morning

[still pagoda]

i spoke a bit. That was enough. Now i'm just getting around my stuff and slowly finding the perfect time to return to WoW

[signal plover]

The great return

[rancid ember]

What are you guys doing for Council P3 currently?
We just started getting there with all 20 alive /w 1 or 2 Brez's up but it quickly seems to go wrong. We try to make sure all waiters are dead or super close before killing Stavros. Are you focusing the 1st Stoneguard that comes out or hard focus boss / attendants and cleave? We were not even close to 50% by the time the 2nd add came out. Probably 70% so I def know we're losing too much damage to adds / not switching to attendants fast enough

We Roar when 1st add is dropping for a quick re-stack and lust to burst down add. I'm thinking we need to conserve CD's from 50% - 0% of Stav for 100-50% on Nicky

Think we 60~ pulls in and hoping to get him this week. Any tips?

[sick sentinel]

SLG fucking dead

finally

[rancid ember]

GRATS!

[sick sentinel]

It was around 190-200 pulls

100 of them afternerf

so pretty proud of the boiz, as a first tier together and 6 trials

not bad i guess

[inland raft]

Now go wipe less then 100 on sire

[sick sentinel]

[sweet summit]

[harsh geyser]

Are there any cool youtubers that play prot in m+? I'm trying to off spec tank in some m+ with my friends. I'm venthyr, so it's probably not the best.

[rancid ember]

Plka streams Twitch, but idk if he does Youtube as well.

Looks like he does. https://www.youtube.com/c/Plkatv/videos

[unique shale]

any pro tanking tip for mythic sunking ?

i have log too

[rancid ember]

Are you struggling with anything? Isn't much of a tank fight imo.

[unique shale]

well we are suffering from low dps

[sweet summit]

use shattering throw

[undone verge]

[sweet summit]

on shield 1:1 and 2:2

[unique shale]

oh my fucking god i forgot about it again

[undone verge]

its very forgetable

[rancid ember]

Ooff one of the only boss fights it does a thing.

[craggy harness]

but, that won't fix consistent low dps

[undone verge]

I know like 1 thing I can use it for

and thats the boss at the end of nw

[timber nexus]

what's the best level 30 talent for us purely from a dps perspective for dungeons? The wording on the icyveins guide is a little ambiguous in that regard.

[undone verge]

what row is that?

[unique shale]

well at least i do my part

[craggy harness]

BV/DRoar

row

[timber nexus]

booming voice, dragons shout or something and best served cold (buffed revenge)

[undone verge]

BV if you need defensive ability, bsc if you want higher dps

[timber nexus]

okay, thanks 🙂

[undone verge]

dragon shout is a pretty meh talent

[craggy harness]

it's been half year, but didn't that get promotion right at the start?

[undone verge]

idk

I miss the days of arguing about whether to take storm bolt or double time

[sweet summit]

i dont

[undone verge]

I do

magic days

[craggy harness]

shit disturber

[unique shale]

just be venthyr or night fea and you don't need double time XD

[sweet summit]

🤔

[undone verge]

buy necro and kyrian are minmax lol

[craggy harness]

I just started to wonder if 3 sec less charge is useful... and then I remembered, no, I need more interrupts

[undone verge]

its 2 charges of charge

[craggy harness]

It's a lack of faith in dps

[undone verge]

basically yeah

which when pugging 15s I rely on

now if only there was a good talent in the row for sire

but stormbolt is a lack of faith in dps ability to interupt

[unique shale]

i missing pugging 15 keys

now i just like gimme invite for 18 XD

[undone verge]

I had a 15 theater

healer died to chains

on gore

got ressed

immediately died to chains

attempt 2

healer dies to chains

attempt 3

mage dies to chains

healer dies to chains

mage leaves group

[unique shale]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-filthy-frank-confused-gif-11254472

[undone verge]

gorechop will forever strike fear into my heart

every time I see the healer

I die a little inside

ptsd

[still pagoda]

a lot of the time it was picked for consistency back in BfA. Not always you can have enough interrupts, stuns and soft CC to interrupt every single cast

[unique shale]

double time worth to get as dps

[undone verge]

Feel like bfa had a lot more priority interupts though

like disease lashers in UR

[unique shale]

bfa most of casts were deadly

[undone verge]

ive noticed Shadowlands is more like interupting a heal such as in DoS

[unique shale]

indeed

[undone verge]

like in DoS theres the hex caster, priest and those stupid goddamn bots in the millhouse part where you need to interupt the heal

mists theres the tenders with the heal, and the shapers with the root

[rancid ember]

High keys you have to interrupt a few more deadly spells. Hexxar Lightning in 20-21+ keys almost becomes a 1-hit.
Ghosts in Theatre lich wing are a nightmare on high-fort keys. Really need clean spell overlap or someone just gets gibbed

[undone verge]

BFA had more offensive interupts

true, but thats true for any cast if you push high enough

its not consistently a priority throughout all levels

like a heal or a root

bfa had more offensive interupts like vollys, spawning more mobs, a 30 second stun disease

healing reduction curse

insta kill

just for UR

[unique shale]

that 30sc stun was annoying as f

[undone verge]

you just better hope the person who can dispell it doesnt get hit lol

[unique shale]

lol

[rancid ember]

Spawn spider & Creepy Crawlers in Plaguefall.
Roots in Plaguefall will GG you on Plagueborer bombing.
Stunning/Fear curses in TOP
Necrobolt Volley & Bone Spears in Top
AoE Damage Reduc Shield in PF
AoE Red Slimes in PF
NW Fears & Necro Bolts
Several Interrupt Roars in TOP
Shadowcore in DoS
Lubricrate + Self Healing in DoS
Mists Heals & Stomps & Bug Shields

Feel like most of these are pretty relevant in most key levels.

And Spires has alot too. That Goliath-falcon punch is srs

[undone verge]

spawn spiders ive basically ignored forever, what roots in pf? the plagueborers have a slow, idk about nbv, what stun and fear curse?, aoe dmg recuvtion shield is only stunable, necro bolts are the same argument as before, they become an issue if you push them high enough, the roars in top are true, shadowcore is another outlier, but still is ignorable till around 10s, lubricate is another if you push it high enough, self healing is healing, rampage is stun, bug shields are around the same as healing, theyre defensive

you have me at spires

[rancid ember]

haha

[undone verge]

rebellious fist and forsworn thingy are annoying

and those stupid eels are an issue

[rancid ember]

The humanoids with the ugly mobs cast 'Marrow Roots?' I think which is a 8 second root

[undone verge]

maybe ive always skipped that parts

idk ive never been rooted in pf before

at least to my memoru

[craggy harness]

avatar probably fixed it

[undone verge]

Ill modify my statement, BFA was more punishing and consistently punishing

[pale shuttle]

hey guys anyone know if reprisal can proc revenge to work with arms/fury?

[undone verge]

Probably

since technically its not spec specific

[craggy harness]

easy test on a dummy

[pale shuttle]

i dont have it yet...

[craggy harness]

sec]

Yup

[pale shuttle]

is it castable?

[craggy harness]

Uh, didn't ask me to check that lol

[pale shuttle]

lol okay my bad

[craggy harness]

DOn't think so

I think revenge is prot only

but you get the proc

and if you have a shield, probably get a block

[pale shuttle]

yeah thats what i was thinking

thank you

[craggy harness]

nw

[languid jolt]

guys what do you think is the best cov for prot rn

NF rn and thinking about switching to necro or kyrian

[strong forum]

Kyrian >= NF > Venthyr >= Necro

imo

[errant leaf]

NF > Kyrian > Necro >>>>>> Venthyr

fleshcraft is so underrated

[errant leaf]

for m+ btw

[silver bison]

If you like to run keys though you probably have lots of NF options from DPS. While it is great I'd rather be Kyrian or Venthyr for the dungeon bonuses.

[red tree]

part of me wants to switch back to venthyr just to have a damn venthyr in groups

[rough needle]

Orthodox option for M+ is kyrian for covenant diversity + good balance of spear dam + phial defense, night fae is also really good dps, necrolord sounds good on paper but imo is horrible to actually play in a coordinated enough fashion to get full value. Venthyr is good ST but not as important in M+, won't hold you back either.

For raids, kyrian is really nice bc of phial interactions with bleed, but any covenant works. My opinion is that if you are still progressing and don't care about M+, venthyr is very strong due to the ability to better pump ST damage.

[plush tendon]

can I interest all you Kyrian players some

[signal plover]

when ya goin back to banner fella?

[sweet summit]

👀

[viscid agate]

i dont want to play necro i dont want to be bannerboi for my boomkins duck the boomkins

[sweet summit]

fuck the chicken 🐔

[viscid agate]

ye fuck the chickens

[sweet summit]

and dont forget

mages are not people

[viscid agate]

yes

[hot oxide]

lol

[mighty valley]

wtf does pot of greed do

[viscid agate]

drawtwocards

[mighty valley]

feel like you opt into suffering this old joke when you pick the name

[viscid agate]

my main is named drawtwocards XD

[mighty valley]

hell yeah, good job

[plush tendon]

Who knows

[signal plover]

fair

[outer solstice]

btw, did y'all know Plka's birthday is today?

[sweet summit]

is it? 👀

[outer solstice]

yes

his strim is up

with party hat and everything

[sweet summit]

@patent osprey happy birthday man

[chilly brook]

@patent osprey happy birfday fam

[oblique garnet]

new prot streamer and doesnt even stream prot everything is back to normal

[outer solstice]

he does actually stream prot too, but just got a 100 gift sub and he's too broken xD

[toxic prairie]

I like venthyr for pumping during execute phase when it’s almost a wipe. Just saved a NW by casting big boy , ravager, and condensed away

Condemned

Question, I am starting to tank 14 s and 15 s, aside from hairy moments all tanks have , all my healers have been saying I am easy to heal . But I can tell when applying to stones, my Paladin and Druid at same ilevel can get into stones tanking in a sec, where my warrior has to apply to like 10 groups

Is their still a stigma with prot warriors ? I finish dungeouns with 3 to 3.5k dps, and looking at all the tanks my warrior has the best flat mitigation out of all of them

[sweet summit]

pugs always have a stigma against tanks that are not meta

not even just tanks, every class/spec that isnt meta

[toxic prairie]

This was from a 10 nw I just ranked, with two “meta” players . We still timed it , but it was rough sledding (take 8 percent of mine off for weapons )

[sweet summit]

win+shift+s please ty :v)

[toxic prairie]

I sent it to shit post my friend. Didn’t plan on posting it, but will next time

[sweet summit]

its fine 😛

[undone verge]

can we all take a second to talk about how annoying mistcaller is this week

that is all

gday

[outer solstice]

why?

the only annoying thing on mistcaller is the fox, if you have too many melee

[sweet summit]

explosives

[craggy harness]

Worked out thankfully

But feels like it’s really the foxes fault

Cascade failure at that point

[outer solstice]

oh well, explosives are not really a problem, we can deal with them quite easily, no need to pull the boss to the correct thing to kill

just stick to mid and heroic throw any explosives that pop up

[patent osprey]

TY SKYHOLD FAM 🙂

[signal plover]

Hah old man

[mild lintel]

@patent osprey Your video that you posted on March 28th is very high quality!
Thanks for creating such good content man! 😄

[fluid wraith]

anybody know how to make a weakaura for ravager that tracks its duration

[mild lintel]

As a 1k io Tank it was so helpful to learn a lot! Grats on 2.5k! ( @patent osprey )

[fluid wraith]

since its duration scales with haste i cant just set it to a static value

[patent osprey]

im 30!

Thanks guys 😄

[clever bronze]

It's that time of the month again. Help me pick my tanking trinkets.
https://i.imgur.com/33D7rQD.png
https://i.imgur.com/RQbx29I.png
https://i.imgur.com/7JdnrSq.png

https://i.imgur.com/TmHF5ns.png
https://i.imgur.com/3KlyIo1.png
https://i.imgur.com/MV8dQ4P.png

[sweet summit]

vigil+frond

[clever bronze]

Works for me.

Btw, the addon I'm using to get % data is AdvancedTooltips, but it's not been updated since SL came out, so I fixed it myself.

To give accurate data.

Anyway. So why Vigil + Frond. Like how do you know Vigil gives the most healing?

Is there a resource or something I can use?

[sweet summit]

can u like give me that update or something 👀

[clever bronze]

I could 👀

I'll DM it to you, and I'll tell you its limitations.

[sweet summit]

cheers

nah, vigil is good damage

if you want a defensive "healing trinket" or something, go for scale

[clever bronze]

Is that the trinket in De Other Side that I still don't have? >_>

[sweet summit]

[distant crystal]

out here using Times New Roman in-game wth

[sweet summit]

oh i didnt see the three top trinkets before now oops

prolly replace frond with spike/anima @clever bronze

[zealous timber]

200 ilvl Sun King trinket vs 226 pulsating stoneheart trinket?

👀

[sweet summit]

oh yikes

uhhh

do you need a cheat death?

if u dont the str from stoneheart is better

[zealous timber]

So for pushing I should go sunking then and stoneheart for whatever else?

[sweet summit]

ye sure

stoneheart is kinda dogshit tho

so try to get something else xd

and al'ar isn't very useful unless you proc it

you feel?

[delicate thorn]

I read on icy veins that I should only use Revenge when it procs, but I've been using it all the time and I've been fine for rage. Is that fine or should I use rage for something else? In big pulls when it's more intense I ofc prioritize down Revenge and make sure I have a rage buffer for defense

[sweet summit]

Where does it say to only use revenge with proc?

Youre doing the correct thing btw

Hammer revenge as long as u can keep up SB

[ionic fern]

I think on ST rotation

Gotta fix that.

It does have a disclaimer to use it more often if you don't need the rage for defensives but who reads that.

[honest plinth]

sad Mwahi. This kitty is smiling for you.

[delicate thorn]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

step 9

[zealous timber]

Yeah 😔 Thankfully I enjoy pushing keys, so it'll come in handy at least

[sweet summit]

but yeah, Mwahi will fix

[delicate thorn]

ah yeah I guess I was looking at the ST rotation only

[sweet summit]

thats in the ST rotation notes

[delicate thorn]

I was elected to lead, not to read

[sweet summit]

fair enough

[sick sentinel]

i have my revenge on keybind 2 so sometimes i use it too much really need to change that

[honest plinth]

you cant use it too much just pump

[sweet summit]

no thats perfect 👀

[sick sentinel]

For me its perfect but healer tends to flame me hard

[honest plinth]

why so

[ionic fern]

In honesty all you need to do is keep enough rage for SB and you're fine.

[honest plinth]

you think IP is good think? lol

[ionic fern]

IP can be good in certain scenarios.
I always pool for a double IP before a big smack. 😦

[sweet summit]

if your healer can "feel" the difference between you using revenge over IP sometimes then that healer is on some strong performance enhancing drugs mate

[honest plinth]

im not using ip that much after reprisal change

[sick sentinel]

so far i use it when i know big pack is inc or big dmg yeah

[honest plinth]

im talking about m+

[ionic fern]

This is my IP usage in the MIsts 19 i did recently. 👀

[delicate thorn]

I have Revenge on F, perfect for spams

[honest plinth]

haha

[sick sentinel]

gotta change my keybinds soon, still used to my old healer binding style

[sick sentinel]

Nerf IP