protection

[sweet summit]

but im usually around 80% blocked hits +/-

[inland raft]

Tracking raw uptime and trying to max it will make tou play worse because will encourage you to bkock towards end of pulls and such

[tepid nest]

Ye it makes for pretty degenerate play, purely for stats

[inland raft]

Better to start moving away if have to at end of a pull rather then wasting a charge or a block

[tepid nest]

While I'm here asking questions... The manastorms fight in de other side. The bleed boss absolutely fucking destroys me on tyrannical even when I make sure to save everything to deal with her

[sweet summit]

ya he fucks

[inland raft]

Can reflect one application which helps past that cycle cds and ip spam

[tepid nest]

You can reflect the saw?

[inland raft]

Just one application

[sweet summit]

just one stack

[inland raft]

Not all of them

[tepid nest]

Ahh ok

[inland raft]

But every bit helps

[tepid nest]

That's still big, thanks

[inland raft]

And not using reflect anything else on her

[sweet summit]

the hits are blockable so keep up SB

[tepid nest]

I'm kyrian too so I can cleanse, and even then it's always so close

[inland raft]

If kyrian save your pot for one where healer galls behind font just remove them willy nilly

[sweet summit]

its just one of those fights where you just pray your healer can keep up, rotate CDs and externals etc

[tepid nest]

Ye I have been keeping sb up

[thin brook]

how hard is it to learn prot warrior in raid and m+

do they have a lot of buttons ?

[tepid nest]

Ok, that's what I suspected I just thought maybe I was doing something wrong, like it was avoidable damage

[inland raft]

Prot is really easy

Its a true tank

Unlike a certain degenerate playstyle tank that is meta

[thin brook]

is it better then vengance dh ?

[sweet summit]

learning prot isnt too hard, learning to tank well is the hard part

nah vdh is still better

[inland raft]

If you already know how to tank prot is easy

[tepid nest]

You will have to learn to lead m+ runs, learn routes etc

Which is the hard bit honestly

[inland raft]

And vdh will be better as long as havoc isnt meta and casters are meta

Cuz if brand

[thin brook]

i dont know with class to tank on willing to improve so unsure with class i want to play

any recomend ?

[inland raft]

If casters fall out of favor or if havoc becomes fotm then prot is good

[sweet summit]

all tanks are fine tbh

[tepid nest]

Druid would be the easiest

Blood DK probs the hardest

The rest are in between somewhere

But they all bring varying degrees of utility, mobility, mitigation style etc, all things worth considering

[thin brook]

what i have heared prot warrior have like 30 buttons that i need in raid

is it any guide i can follow for leveling for prot warrior from 1-60 or 10-60 if i choice allied race ?

[sweet summit]

you just spam dungeons i think

insta queue as youre tank

[blissful root]

I'm prety sure DH is eassier than druid @tepid nest

[tepid nest]

I don't think so

[blissful root]

Mh druid has a lot of utility and a decent skill cap

DH is basically DH smash

[sweet summit]

i have like 26 buttons i can press in raid

not too bad

[blissful root]

Not much to do, fiery brand, demon spikes, fel dev, meta, some sigils and that's pretty much it

[tepid nest]

Raid tanking is 😴 tho

[hot pasture]

All tanks are balanced imo. Just depends on what you want to play

[stoic trail]

Is NF our strongest covenant for M+ dps?

As prot**

[sweet summit]

ye

[inland raft]

Lots of utility with aa too

If you have a kyrian in group nf is a blast

[stoic trail]

Yea it looks amazing, but already got my guardian druid at NF so was hoping for something else. Just dinged my war 60 and having hard time picking a covenant, they all seem amazing in certain situation

[hot pasture]

To me it’s either NF or Kyrian

[plush tendon]

NF or Kyrian recommended; all viable

[late rampart]

I feel NF is great if you are just doing a pug or your group is bad at interrupts. The multiple knockdown effects interrupt a lot of casts and such. I've been enjoying NF a lot. Kyrian is also very good, and has its strong points for taking it.

[hot pasture]

I started out as NL when all the hype came out about it and it feels like shit compared to NF and kyrian. And probably venth id say stay away from NL

[stoic trail]

Just need to get over not having access to that awesome necro/venthyr plate armor and weapons I guess hehe

[tender oak]

Kyrian phial is so nice as tank though

NL is for when you wanna simp for fotm mage/boomie rerollers

[hot pasture]

Kyrian Phial is huge

[tender oak]

Am I the only one who feels like kyrian phial is so out of place among the other general covenant abilities?

Its so far and beyond the most impactful one

[hot pasture]

The thing that I enjoy is being able to spear - kite away - phial - charge back in. Just feels so smooth

Also feel like spear is vastly under appreciated

[stoic trail]

So from what I can gather, kyrian and NF are allround very solid picks, NL requires strong coordination to be as strong as NF and KY. And Venthyr...doesn't really do anything?

[sweet summit]

venthyr has the ST niche

[hot pasture]

Venth is nice if you’re only raid I believe

[plush tendon]

I mean plka was venthyr early on this season and was pushing some high keys with it

Really every cov is viable, it’s really a personal choice of what you value

[hot pasture]

Only reason he was is venth is cause he was playing arms in raid. So went bis for that

[plush tendon]

Still preformed; the point is cov won’t make or break you

[hot pasture]

Agreed

[arctic wasp]

i will take NF knockback for casters everytime over KY phial imo

it's prob a matter of personal preference but i didnt feel phial was that impactful when i tried kyrian

soulshape is useful but is no the main reason i like NF, the damage of AA and the knockback are really something

[sturdy sable]

Yeah I agree phial is over rated alot of tanks I've talked to act like its some god send

It's dwarf racial with a small heal

[blazing condor]

i managed to fuck my 19 Spires by missing the last spear on last boss

professional choke artist

[distant crystal]

https://tenor.com/2hcH.gif

[blazing condor]

We were on the verge of dying already and it looked like she was moving just as i pressed the spear so was like "fuck" and went for a mid-move-snipe

but nope she stood still an extra 2 seconds and i just fucked it

not the happiest pugs ive seen

[distant crystal]

gotta flip camera to her right before you start clicking

to get the intel

[blazing condor]

yeah i usually do that but i kinda panic-choked this one

[jagged pier]

i did a 19 SD today that was enough for the week

no more keys

[turbid moth]

how can i know which mob random bolt, and other only focus tank ?

[lofty widget]

that comes with practice, or getting an addon/weakaura that tells you

[turbid moth]

do u have a WA alike ?

[lofty widget]

https://wago.io/IwasLhJVf

if you use plater for nameplaters there is a setting to enable it as well

without weakaura

[turbid moth]

just downloaded it this morning at work atm ^^"

i need to get use to it

would be nice if u could show me this setting,

don't want to bowser u too much

[lofty widget]

/plater>cast bar>under "cast bar target name:">"show target name: enabled" @turbid moth

[turbid moth]

thx a lot !

[feral dock]

How essential is the tank trinket from DoS? Should i spam DoS over the next weeks hoping to get it? Or use the time to improve the rest of my gear (190ilvl since i got 60 a week ago)

[turbid moth]

to me

very essential

1 kael thas trinket
2 dos trinket or dena trinket

thats all

[lofty widget]

ilvl>anything

spend time getting your gear up, then you can start thinking about best trinkets etc

[feral dock]

The question ist, whether the trinket is more worth than e.g. another 15 ilvl

[lofty widget]

it is not

[feral dock]

Ah

XD

[lofty widget]

15 ilvl would mean you can stay in and actually dps in say, +15 dungeons

scale wouldnt allow you to do that

[feral dock]

So i should push keys and hope to get the trinket in the process

[lofty widget]

pmuch

[feral dock]

Thanks for the advice

[lofty widget]

but dont go out of your way to run dos if theres better upgradess in other dungeons etc

[feral dock]

Well atm everything is an upgrade xD

But had a pretty awesome experience with prot so far! Tanked an sd+7 without problem

[floral pewter]

also, farming up a 187 scale or something isn't a good use of valor

much better to get it at 210 later

[feral dock]

How do you make use of reprisal in bossfights btw?
I use intervene on cd on a melee. But i cant really jump away from the boss without him.running up to me in an instant

Sometimes i use channels to make some distance and charge

Something else?

[floral pewter]

intervene to someone far, or heroic leap out

or yeah, take advantage of casts

[stoic trail]

So venthyr only adds some single target damage. But nothing noteworthy for M+ outside some additional boss damage

[floral pewter]

priority target damage can be noteworthy

and if you otherwise wouldn't have a venthyr for Halls/SD, it's great

I'm told Draven is also a very good tank soulbind

[stoic trail]

That is actually a reason I'm considering we dont have a venthyr in our new alt group currently

[hot pasture]

I mean if you don’t have a venth in the group do it

[jade shell]

Ignore Pain is for all damage including spell damage?

[sweet summit]

ignore pain reduces all damage taken by 50%, yes

except for like falling damage idk

[balmy kayak]

are you all crafting the wall on back or shoulders?

[sweet summit]

shoulders

[balmy kayak]

is the wall still good or reprisal just the juice now? i have the wall pattern but not reprisal so not sure which to make first

[prisma bear]

you cant go wrong with the wall in raid

its great in m+ too but reprisal is a bit better there

[balmy kayak]

ok so just make wall now, appreciate the help

[languid flower]

I use reprisal in raid a fair bt

but unless you're NF or Venthyr, I'd say the wall is better for raiding by a decent enough margin that if you're focusing on raiding build it

if you want to do mythic +, though, I think reprisal is required

[north rampart]

Pvp gear is good, especially if you 190 ilvl is held back by some low ilvl gear holes you can just buy those 2 or 3 pieces from the vendor to plug up your weakest gear slots easy 197/200 ilvl gear

[severe swallow]

best venthyr conduits?

[mighty valley]

same as other covenants, except the covenant-specific one isn't good

[severe swallow]

which is what bro

sorry for asking

[mighty valley]

harrowing punishment

the condemn one

you can use ashen juggernaut for single target raiding, otherwise show of force is probably the best potency conduit

our potencies just aren't great

[severe swallow]

for m+

i have inspiring

guardian

[mighty valley]

those are good, unnerving focus is pretty good too

[tulip oar]

Cool, maybe I will make Reprisal and give tanking a try. Change it up a little.

[finite spire]

Which slot should I put the lego Reprisal on Legs or Feet?

I was thinking feet

[sweet summit]

feet if u get mythic slg legs

if not, legs is the better slot

[finite spire]

ok

[candid valley]

was there a necro banner DPS spreadsheet floating around before that someone might still have?

[lofty widget]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kKlKAK1extJMB4EB3okGJ9jpVZZJE3xQacM9lS3RbWA/edit#gid=1257458573

dunno if its up to date

[blazing condor]

how do you stop houndmasters from patroling in HoA? tried CCing the houndmaster but dogs kept walking

[distant crystal]

you cc the houndmaster

dogs won't keep walking lol

[haughty token]

How can I tell if I am doing well as a tank?

It seems like there are so many confounding factors. DPS and Healers have a meter they can reference to gauge their performance, but I just have deaths.

If I don't die...I did well? Or did the healer just do a good job?

@_@ I can't tell if I'm improving

[distant crystal]

step 1 live step 2 pump dam

[mighty egret]

^

[distant crystal]

maybe 1.5 facilitate dam for your group

like keeping stuff in ground effects and positioning so that your dps can hit things without endangering themselves

[muted spoke]

i'm gearing my prot alt, which item should I dump valor to upgrade first in order to maximize surviv? shield or trinket maybe??

[steel dawn]

If you’re talking raiding, just don’t die and position boss, if you’re talking m+, you’ll want to have a route planned out, clean pulls and not die. Once you’ve got that nailed you can focus on chain pulling and or adding more mobs into your pulls, once you’ve got that nailed add the dam into the mix

[valid finch]

thanks for the help & info was able to successfully tank CN norm 8/10 & got the trink for Sun King

from*

[steel dawn]

Pretty much m+ pop last stand on a pull if it’s a big pull and you’re unerving focus conduit will increase your rage generation, you won’t have to spend rage on shield block if running bolster and it gives you a fair whack of time to spend your rage on thunderclap and revenge with avatar up for threat and dam, don’t forget your demo shout for extra dr too, if the packs are caster heavy don’t forget spell reflect, kick, shockwaves and trying to keep uptime on ignore pain

By the time your next decent pull is up last stand should be up

[lofty widget]

shield, although i wouldnt recommend dumping valor on low ilvl items

[astral scarab]

anyone have a weakaura or addon that lets me know if I succesfully spellreflected an ability?

[lofty widget]

https://wago.io/UhwAUpWNB

[astral scarab]

very nice. copying it now. thanks

you used this one? works good?

[lofty widget]

yes its very good

announced in say/party/raid which spell is reflected

[astral scarab]

👍

im using it now in a dungeon. is their a way to switch it from party to say? @lofty widget

[lofty widget]

actions>message type>say

[astral scarab]

ty

[muted spoke]

what stats should I focus for survivability in m+?

[lofty widget]

ilvl>>>haste>vers>crit>=mast

[muted spoke]

ty

[tulip oar]

Really, crit and mastery are on par. Due to rage gen?

[plush tendon]

Crit gives parry and crit chance: Mastery gives attack power and block chance

so... very close in terms of overall value

cause they essnetially do the same thing

Mitagate Physical damage and add damage

[tiny remnant]

Hey guys, wanted to ask about stat weights for Prot. I noticed that @patent osprey said in his guide for 9.0.5 that for keys under 20+, it's better to prioritise haste over versatility, whereas for keys past 20+. it's better to prioritise versatility. I am currently at level 18 keys and want to push higher. So, I just wanted to ask whether you guys think I ought to switch over to prioritising versatility over haste now? Also, what's the reason why haste > versatility in lower keys, and is there a particular set of percentages to aim for? Sorry if this has been covered previously!

[lofty widget]

haste lowers our SB recharge cooldown, SS cooldown etc. and allows us to be overall more offensive AND deffensive, versatility is only taken for high high keys where one-shots start to happen and where the incoming dmg is simply too high to be dealt with by SB and IP alone

so for 18 and all the way to 22-23 stacking vers is in no way needed, optimising your play will serve you a lot better

[tiny remnant]

Ah okay, I know that it's better to focus on playstyle optimisation, but I wanted to clear away my confusion on the theory stuff concerning stats as well, cheers!

[glossy needle]

Vers is such a meaningless stupid stat, no idea why it exists

[tiny remnant]

I hadn't really worried about stat weights much but a warrior in one of my keys said that I should be stacking much more versatility than what I am currently compared to my haste, so I was rather confused.

[hot pasture]

Vers just helps with survival overall

I’ll never turn down gear that has both haste verse on it

[mossy peak]

your goal as tank is to survive first, but you can't over-survive

once you've met that check you want to be doing something else, which for prot warrior means doing damage

[hot pasture]

Yep

There’s a perfect balance out there 🙂

[mossy peak]

it's why some folks will suggest doing haste crit for regular non-high-key-pushes

haste is the common factor here, we always want it, but if you're not unduly stressing your healer and you are staying alive, then crit does more damage than the rest, after haste

it's all fairly meaningless though, people do get way too hung up on stats

it's not ye olden days anymore

item level is king

[grizzled forge]

question on that wording

does that mean i dont get knocked back at all

or instead of being knocked forward i just go backwards

nvm think i figured it out

[sweet summit]

u dont get knocked at all

but u still take the damage

[grizzled forge]

ya i just saw in a vid

[sweet summit]

👍

[hot oxide]

Think I'm a race change from Worgen to either Mecha or Kul tiran. As of late, healers have been pretty terrible....thoughts anybody?

[sweet summit]

if anything, go dwarf

[hot oxide]

i thought about it, but i can only deal with so much unlikeable aesthetics..

i need to make good healer friends, then I wouldn't haft to try and fix a issue that isn't really up to me to fix. but, tis the life of pugging...

[mossy peak]

dwarf is very solid for plate

[lofty widget]

if youre going for aesthetics only, mechagnomes are badass

[mossy peak]

with their incredible plate diapers

[lofty widget]

and i think they have a cheap death too?

[mossy peak]

it's good stuff

[lofty widget]

cheat even

[sweet summit]

female draenei 🥵

[hot oxide]

yeah, i was thinking kul tiran for the brush it off, and mech for the cheat death and the buff they gain for being in combat

[mossy peak]

i've seen enough pictures on the internet to know that all 'female' draenei are packing heat, the real question is how they fit 'em in those plate bikinis

[fresh ruin]

quick question

which lego is best for M+ tanking?

[sweet summit]

reprisal

[fresh ruin]

thanks!

and im guessing "legs" is the best armor piece for that one

[sweet summit]

if u cant get mythic slg legs yeah

[fresh ruin]

wo?

[sweet summit]

wo?

[fresh ruin]

o?

slg?

[sweet summit]

stone legion generals

2nd to last boss in nathria

[fresh ruin]

Ahh

yeah, not any time soon

we are still working on hungering, but having to beat through roster boss

[sweet summit]

yeah thats a tough boss ngl

[mossy peak]

The real problem is reclearing it over and over through the tier

[floral pewter]

after killing H Sire 5 times, my guild wiped to the roster boss and declared a hiatus until 9.1 :<

[unique shale]

seems reasonable cause mythic require more people and wipes

we killed hungry in three days with over 30 wipes

[atomic schooner]

hungering is tough boss?

lolwhat

i mean if we talk about first part of CN xymox is really hard

but others are simply

[sweet summit]

nah i meant the roster boss

[tired cove]

@shut summit WTB more streams or more vids

[queen mantle]

in M+ u guys think NF or kyrian is better? Ive played both, and the 5cap on AA is kinda weird as a tank but the knockdown feels so good

[tired cove]

for higher m+ keys def kyrian

potion is broken

[mossy peak]

kyrian for pot, night fae for damage

[tired cove]

but if just doing 15-23s NF is fine

[mossy peak]

the spear is actually just the side thing for prot kyrian

that potion is nuts

[queen mantle]

ahh ok

[tired cove]

Oh i have 40 stacks of necrotic

[queen mantle]

gotcha

[tired cove]

not anymore

[queen mantle]

i actually really like the shapeshift

for kiting too

[mossy peak]

can help, but we're already fairly decent at kiting without

the main reason for nf is the damage output, and that it's also the best general covenant for the dps specs

it covers the widest range of specs for pve content

[queen mantle]

true

yea i dont plan on pushing past 21s so

NF will suffice me, and allows me to play my dps too

kinda feels bad its 5capped tho, doesnt matter on fury, but does matter on aggro generation for prot 😦

[atomic schooner]

What does roster boss means?

[sonic tangle]

Means they can't keep a roster cuz the content is 🗑️

[atomic schooner]

That might be rude but content is fine. Something other is

Very decent raid (except slg imo)

[chilly brook]

Eh

I mean

Council is meh

Let's see

Sun king dumb fight
Council bleh
SLG big dumb

I wouldn't really call CN a great tier, the best thing it did was just be harder than last tier but that doesn't mean it's fun

[mighty valley]

did BT timewalking to appreciate nathria more

very big "I was just OK with this at the time???" feelings

denathrius is a great fight, an all-timer for me

and overall liked it a lot better than nyalotha, which was my first raid back after a long break

[analog oak]

any active m+ communities i can weasel my way into?

[floral pewter]

CN isn't amazing, but it's a solid raid IMO

but it's reeeeeally long for a first tier

[feral dock]

If i had the choice between an ilvl200 trinket with strength but an not so good on use effect and an ilvl187 trinket with less strength but an 20k absorb. Would you go for the absorb?

[short kiln]

we did it! LOL.

[floral pewter]

A 187 scale is better than a 200 armor kit, yes

[jagged pier]

the armour kit it trash and should be vendored at any ilvl

[feral dock]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=181359/overflowing-ember-mirror?bonus=6935

Talking about this one from a worldquest on 187 vs the musicsheet from castle nathria

Cant find it in english, sorry

Edit: found the english version

[jagged pier]

nither trinkets good take the music sheet

[sick sentinel]

Hymnal of the path 151 vs Overflowing ember mirror 155? Hymnal looks stronger even with the lower ilvl. Currently at 156 ilvl, going for m+ no raids

[jagged pier]

hynamsl is insanly overtuned

[sick sentinel]

yeah thought so. I'll keep it in the bags for LFR ilvl though

loving NF AA in dungeons. With ravager as well it feels a lot of fun

[blazing condor]

do you even save a lot of time by skipping between 1st and 2nd boss in HoA

i feel like the extra packs you pull to get 80/79% dont really make up for taking 2 bigger mobs

[sick sentinel]

Makes for a smoother route though

How u figure 2 bigger mobs?

If you pull a big gargoyle you just take 1 to spawn pride at boss.

[dark plover]

Guys any tips for sludge mythic? First time tonight

[hollow sun]

i switched to NF recently and i was wondering if you can block / parry while in soulshape

[dark plover]

How do you utilize reprisal the best for sludge mythic?

Never tanked sludge before

usually a dps warrior

[ebon hound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNrx_TNv1No
Creds to Jakey

[feral dock]

Could you explain why 7str is better than a potential 20k absorb? The use-effect is just not practicle to actually use it in combat i feel like

[dark plover]

Ok ty

[sweet summit]

its not just 7 str, its a haste steroid. and we love haste. the cooldown on the ember mirror is also pretty damn long. if you wanted a defensive trinket, just get scale from hakkar

[feral dock]

"just get scale from hakkar" like it is sooooo easy xD

[sweet summit]

truuuuue

[feral dock]

Isnt it actually pretty hard to collect the dancepartners from the sheet?

While e.g. kiting mobs

[sweet summit]

it could be hard to catch if you use it mid big pull, as the visuals are not great. but once you find one its not hard to grab the rest. and why would you use it while kiting?

[feral dock]

Dunno. I thought about using it prepull maybe

[sick sentinel]

20 trys on my alter still waiting

[inland raft]

I finally replaced my 184 last night, usually my friends make commwnts about my lack of reaction when getting loot but i actually shouted when it dropped

Been in dos way too much

[woeful trellis]

Guys, i just noticed my sb cd is at 12sec do i stack more haste even to that? or can i go on vers / krit when i have it on 12 sec?

or haste > all cause of ss etc?

[mental scarab]

Ivl->haste->vers

Shield if ALWAYS ivl over stats

Rings/neck we can flex on some ivl if they have mega haste

[scenic reef]

if you happen to have heavy haste gear, would you go versa gems/enchants on rings or just stack haste all the way

[lofty widget]

haste all the way

[rough needle]

i think this advice is kinda wrong, regarding haste stacking especially with reprisal

for the most part prot warrior stats are pretty even, each one kinda has a role perhaps with mastery being a bit worse than the others in terms of having an iche

but for the 99% of content your secondaries dont matter, and at the level where they do, vers is the only one that matters

tl;dr dont care about secondaries at all, if you want to push +45 keys then prio vers

[lofty widget]

that is why ilvl>>>haste>vers>crit>=mastery

but for equal ilvl you will generaly gain the most from haste since it allows for more uptime on SB as well as higher rage gen which lets us be more offensive

[rough needle]

js the reason why haste isn't as valuable is because haste does nothing to actually reduce the damage you take, e.g. you have 10% haste, shield block is 35% or so dr, you have 50% haste, shield block is still the same
with higher vers (also mastery but haven't done the math so idk how strong*) you actually will take less damage with shield block up and also only way to reduce magic dam which will help you face tank better

[ionic fern]

That's some messed up logic you got there.
Haste provides you with more SB up time + more rage.
It doesn't directly affect the mitigation properties of your SB but it does provide you with more Shield Blocks over the course of the fight which in turn leads to mitigation and smoother damage intake.

[rough needle]

@ionic fern you already have 70-80% uptime on sb bc of reprisal, you dont have a problem with uptime, you have a problem with your sb just being weaker against big packs when your cds/externals run out

im talking about m+ ofc, raid tanking at this point or any point after like feb is so giga braindead that nothing matters

[lofty widget]

youre not getting to 70-80 % uptime with reprisal alone, the actual SPELL shield block is still where most of our uptime comes from

[rough needle]

well beforehand i was getting like 45% uptime with sb spam off cd, now i get like 72-75

so

[ionic fern]

If you were getting 45% uptime before then you were just playing poorly.

o.o

[lofty widget]

you could still get 70-75 ish without reprisal (and high haste), reprisal really just took the role of bolster and lets us play a bit more offensive talents

[ionic fern]

^

[tame jasper]

If I remember bluepost correctly the PTR for 9.1 should start this week. What do you expect in terms of prot war? For me I don't think we will get sufficient notice, as we got it in 9.0.5, so I think (and hope) we don't get a new legendary again

[ionic fern]

Remove Heroic Throw minimum range
Make Explosives provide Victory Rush again
Thank you.

All in all i'm not expecting much tbh.

[tame jasper]

That would be nice yeah. really annoying this week

[ionic fern]

I doubt they will make some huge changes.

[tame jasper]

As I didn't play the last expansion (had 8y break): this new megadungeon, what does this means? is it "Just" a dungeon with many bosses or anything more "special"?

[lofty widget]

its a mythic-only dungeon with a lot of bosses (usually 7-8-9-10 bosses) that have some interesting mechanics/story etc

like in bfa we had mechagon where the bosses had hard modes that awarded a mount, karazhan in legion had a similar thing as well

[tame jasper]

But still timed like the m+ mode I think?

[signal plover]

Not at first

[lofty widget]

they do that later and split it into upper/lower

[signal plover]

Usually they split it into 2 m+ the following tier

With 3-4 bosses each

Most likely the mega dungeon will have 2 distinctly "themed" zones

[tame jasper]

How are seasons changing? I know that Pride will get replaced, but will the level still be the same? I mean we now have better gear from start of seasons, so will ppl be able do clean 15in in first week for KSM or will it get upgraded for e.g. 20?

[signal plover]

Everything scales up

[tame jasper]

Ah I understand

[signal plover]

15s will likely end up being a bit easier because we will probably gain some form of borrowed power

[lofty widget]

i think current heroic raid ilvl is gonna be new LFR ilvl, just to give an idea of how things scale

[signal plover]

Like they'll juice some conduit slots or add more mechanics to the legendary system

[tame jasper]

This seems like a huge boost

But well yeah, new tier

[lofty widget]

as in, the new raids LFR ilvl will be current raids heroic ilvl

so we're kinda starting from scratch with regards to gear

[tame jasper]

so atm M+15 drops 210, so we have to run duno M+30 to get upgardes for our (most probably 226 gear) ?

[sweet summit]

Nah

As stated before, everuthing "resets"

So 9.1 a +15 is likely a bit lower than 9.1 hc raid loot, just like now

[tame jasper]

ah okay now I get it

understand you in the opposite direction 😄

[unique shale]

when people ganna stop looking down on us

all of teams want dh or pala

[tame jasper]

Yeah most of them. Got a priest yesterday in SD+16 who asked before the runs, how prot war is this season, he hadn't see anyone (with 1800 rating). Run went smooth and I got compliments after the run. Felt good after all those flames I normally get in random grps (yeah live of a puger..)

[unique shale]

yeah i got invite into mista 18 after signing up 6 time and getting w prot war ? share your route?! to find out that our boomy and rouge cannot pump dps and wipe on first boss

[tame jasper]

Got this during making my KSM, sometimes I got invited as 5th one, and two instantly leaving

[unique shale]

lol

i had people invite me then kick me after see dh with ilvl 227 q up

[tame jasper]

behaviour of some ppl is quite strange these days

[unique shale]

i feel community think people who people playing none meta classes are stupid

i had so many people telling me you’re good tank why not roll dh

[tame jasper]

This I didn't exp yet. Either "bah you suck" or "wow nice tank"

nothing in between

[sick sentinel]

Why pala? Their damage? They feel sooo squishy

[sick sentinel]

Such a feel good moment, when you get complimented

[cerulean tusk]

Either you got the job done, or you didn't. There is no in between. That is what PuGs see, and that is what they will react to.

[strange lintel]

should not go devastator this week for mythic + feels like im having trouble hitting all the orbs.

having on demand devastate for them feels like the right call. but id like advice

shield slam cooldown and procs not being very reliable and revenge and tclap dont affect em right

[lofty widget]

you can generally get 2-3 and sometimes 4 explsoves with just SS procs and auto attacks, but your healer should be helping out as well so there is really no point in not playing devastator

[strange lintel]

yeah i know. it just feels like im not getting enough of em lol

watching thos orbs reach 0.5 seconds before they get tapped by my auto or slap freaks the fuck out of me

[tame jasper]

My feeling is that many DPS don't care about them and think "oh the others will handle them" or "ah they wont hurt me"...

[lofty widget]

it's really a healer/tank affix so as long as you can get half the explosives youre generally good

or you SHOULD be good if the healer is doing his job

ofc in huge pulls where you are busy not dying dps can step in, but they should know as much

[strange lintel]

sounds fair

[wanton quest]

how is pugging these days with prot? i mean in high keys, are they just ignoring you or you can get inv easily

[strange lintel]

i get invited to 15s easily. but this week has been a challenge

[solemn magnet]

I get explosives with heroic throw

[jagged pier]

was easy till i hit 19s and 20s

[wanton quest]

oh good to hear

[wanton quest]

why?

[strange lintel]

i suck at explosives 🙂

[jagged pier]

its the whole groups job not just yours

[hot pasture]

Yeah your primary job is to get aggro and more importantly remember to kite when everything rages with that it can be hard to prioritize xplosives

[grave tendon]

is prot good in mythic +

[blazing condor]

yes

for explosives its good to have different windows in regard too. If youre at the beginning of the boss its more important that you as a tank take explosives as your dps is in burst

[copper night]

Despite minimal difference unless you get to highest content, thoughts on best Horde race for prot war?

[strong forum]

the one you like aesthetically the most > vulpera > belf/rc/hmt/tauren/troll

the one you like aesthetically the most > vulpera > belf/orc/hmt/tauren/troll

[plush tendon]

^biased to Vulpera

[strong forum]

It's factual.

[copper night]

Is Vulpera due to nose for trouble value? Seems like HMT would have better smoothing?

Just makes initiaton of each group easier?

[fresh ruin]

question, which is more impactful, the M+ lego for tanks, for the Lego for Fury warriors?

(looking at M+ stuff)

[plush tendon]

Reprisal is pretty huge

[fresh ruin]

k

[plush tendon]

allows you to take AM still retain high SB uptime

[fresh ruin]

AM?

[strong forum]

Hmt does nothing compared to vulpera racial

[fresh ruin]

oh, anger management.

[plush tendon]

Vulpera Bias 😛

[strong forum]

Its like 4k per enemy from vulpera, HMT is like 50

[fresh ruin]

so, quick question then (btw, vulpera are awesome sauce).

what tats should i get on the lego for tanking

i see haste/verse, but also haste/crit

[plush tendon]

Haste/Vers generally

Haste/Crit for damage, but I do reccomend Haste/Vers

[copper night]

Got it, thanks for the answers - Figure it probably won't matter for what I end up doing, but if I get a wild hair to shoot for the stars might as well not have to race change or anything.

[fresh ruin]

hase verse it is.

[strong forum]

You will never run into a situation where a racial will make or break anything

[fresh ruin]

lies.

[strong forum]

It's just QoL stuff

[fresh ruin]

bag space!

[strong forum]

Outside of orc for pvp

That shit still stoopid

[fresh ruin]

should make a chipmunk race... with racial, deep cheeks.

[floral pewter]

Dwarf racials are pretty OP on Necrotic weeks, but I still wouldn't call that make-or-break

[grave tendon]

guys should i just use all my PVP gear for tanking since its full haste versa? lol

[lofty widget]

if its your highest ilvl yes

[strong forum]

Pvp gear is widely bis for every tank

[fresh ruin]

craaaap

i hate pvp 😦

[strong forum]

You can min max and not run full pvp gear

[floral pewter]

Pvp gear is vers>haste, which isn't quite as good as haste>vers of equal ilvl

[strong forum]

But it won't make or break anything, yet again

[floral pewter]

But it's quite good if you have it

[fresh ruin]

haste/mastery is still stats for fury warrior though yes?

[grave tendon]

so just all haste versa right? on every slot if you can

[strong forum]

If your goal is maximum survival yes

Although

I'm starting to think you want a bit of mastery

[fresh ruin]

ooh, one last question... tank trinkets, i know the blood spattered from DOS.

but i have been seeing conflicting reports on the other

[strong forum]

Since having only like 12% mastery is kinda shit, you'll barely crit block

[fresh ruin]

1 says the trinket from sunkin, the other Legion

whats your guyses thoughts

[solemn magnet]

Lots of other good options for trinket2

[fresh ruin]

do tell

[solemn magnet]

If you're pushing shit you haven't done before, sinking is good.

Legion is good if other people in your group have it

[strong forum]

Heraldry, bloodscale, anime emitter, sanguine vintage, decanter, Phial of purification

And if you're pushing high content heart of alar

[fresh ruin]

k

other than bloodscale and heart, are those all also defensive?

[strong forum]

Anime emitter and sanguine vintage

Heraldry also

Only decanter and phial are full on dmg trinkets

[fresh ruin]

k

[strong forum]

I guess gluttonous spike is also alright

[fresh ruin]

half those appear to come from raid

[strong forum]

Yes

[fresh ruin]

so non raid, is blood, phial (DPS), and anima?

[strong forum]

Yup

[fresh ruin]

dandy

ty

[strong forum]

[fresh ruin]

thats not a fox! it is a corgie!

[floral pewter]

Hymnal of the Path is also secretly a good DPS trinket

[strong forum]

Tru, but less deterministic to get

It's moreso rng

[fresh ruin]

i got a rubix cube..

[solemn magnet]

Nah

[fresh ruin]

atm sadly it is that, DMD, or the decanter

[strong forum]

Dmd voracity is also a very solid trinket

[floral pewter]

Is the pvp haste/proc str trinket any good? I never see people mention it, but it seems like it should be at least decent

[strong forum]

Is aight

[outer solstice]

yeah it's quite good, but not a big stand out

[outer solstice]

tried out a 194 hymnal... I was not impressed tbh

my best denathrius hc was with glutt spike(226) + phial(220)

phial(220) + Hymnal(194) was about 200 DPS behind the other set in the maximum

[elfin nova]

Phial beats everything on st by a fair margin on sims at least

[outer solstice]

(3928.8 DPS vs 3698 DPS)

yeah but things like anima field emitter also grand a defensive effect due to the haste

same goes for the PvP trinket

also kinda surprised I got over 3.9 DPS on sire with 9 IP casts xD

[fresh ruin]

anything special one needs to do to properly use the Reprisal lego

like, do you try to intervine on CD?

do you take double time, or still stormbolt?

[sweet summit]

personal prefrence tbh

if youre lazy just play DT

if you lack stuns/dont trust the people in the group play SB

[fresh ruin]

k

[sweet summit]

you try to use intervene on CD yeah

[honest plinth]

dt is huge with reprisal

but if you are lone wolf pug master you can have some problems with interrupts wo sb

[fresh ruin]

dt?

oh, duh

double time

i was thinking death touch lol

[strange lintel]

is ravager outperforming unstoppable force right now for mythic + ?

[lofty widget]

yes

by a mile

[strange lintel]

so late to the game

[elfin nova]

thunderclap sucks now

as it should

being a generator and all

[outer solstice]

TC is a slam resetter

[fresh ruin]

TC?

[sweet summit]

thunder clap

[fresh ruin]

ah

how is that a slam resetter?>

[sweet summit]

has a 30% chance to reset shield slam

[fresh ruin]

o

for nightfae, which is the best Soulbind for dungeons?

(i will be alternating between Fury, and Tank)

[solemn magnet]

Korayn first strike for prot.

[void stump]

whats the best zandalari loa for prot?

[plush tendon]

Thunderclap is uncapped though... still sucks

😦

[strong forum]

Softcapped to 5

Same as revenge and spear

[plush tendon]

oh shit, didnt notice revenge does damage past 5

huge

dont know why i thought it was capped at 5 XD

[crisp dragon]

Phantom fire vs. Str pot on SLG mythic?

[solemn magnet]

The crit one maybe, or the move speed? They all seem pretty meh

If there's ever a vulpera loa, prolly wanna switch to that one.

[fresh ruin]

as tank, if you need to burn rage.. what do you spend it on

not taking any dmg

and have rage cap

(raid bosses as an example)

[sweet summit]

str on pull, pf in p3 i think its the best option

or if you use on pull, as in not first add set, then pf there too

[crisp dragon]

We usually do on first add spawn, but I guess I could use PF on pull get that extra bit of boss dmg even though our p1 and p2 is flawless on good attempts

[sweet summit]

ya just double pf

[crisp dragon]

thanks boss

[solemn magnet]

Excess rage is spent on revenge.

[mighty valley]

try and dump more into revenge, if you're still gonna cap you should just blow it on IP, since you'll probably take incidental damage and it fuels anger management to spend rage rather than waste

[fresh ruin]

k

thanks

[crisp dragon]

@sweet summit what do you think, should I follow my stat weight in gemming? Saying Crit is 0.98 > Haste 0.69 or should I just go haste ?

Very terrible question I already know the answer to, but I just want to make srue

[jagged pier]

well as simming is for dps and u want dps go crit

for overall survivability and a bit of damage haste

[crisp dragon]

Yeah, prolly just gonna run haste, might as well

[trim bay]

hey guys. if i have a 220 haste vers belt and a 226 cirt masery should i use the 220? i understand ilvl is no.1 but 6 ilvls is not a great loss for meh stats. or am i dumb and ilvl always?

[solemn magnet]

Wear the 226

[jagged pier]

once u have two belts at 226

thats when u care about stats

[sweet summit]

Sim top gear

[trim bay]

ok. cheers guys.

[lime urchin]

so, I am fairly now to logging

I am not very sure what to check, other than mouse-hovering over melee damage taken to check my block uptime and to see somewhere else how much time I had 100 rage.

I did a quick mists key earlier today, is someone willing to look at it with me and perhaps point out where I should look for stuff?

or do I go to log-review with that?

[sweet summit]

Can drop it here, but im not able to take a look rn

[lime urchin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Z76j1qmC3KY4Mkxw/

[jagged pier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8&ab_channel=Jakeyplops
this might help you get started

[lime urchin]

ah, that looks amazing! thanks man!!

[teal inlet]

Is there a way to see blocked damage % vs unblocked in Details?

[jagged pier]

not in details

[teal inlet]

Ahh ok thanks. I found shield block uptime at least

[distant crystal]

could've sworn details had a janky way to see it

actual logs are definitely ideal tho

[jagged pier]

thats full uptime not effective

not that useful

[distant crystal]

ah there was the avoidance tab in damage taken in details

but it seems to be like..bugged or something idk

the numbers aren't changing as i let the tank dummy beat on me

[lime urchin]

Does it update after you exit combat?

[teal inlet]

Yeah mine had all 0s looking at overall for a dungeon

[distant crystal]

nope, idk what the hell this thing does

seems like maybe a partially abandoned feature or something

but...another good reason to just use WCL

[jagged pier]

WCL is 100% the way to go if u want to review what your doing

in terms of stats

and in the video linked above its a nice starting point it just goes through what ppl like me Nome and Erga will look at quickly when ppl link their logs in here

[lime urchin]

the video is great Jakey, this really helps a lot

[jagged pier]

👍

thats what it there for

[woven laurel]

@plush tendon Korayn dps increase is insane. Would highly recommend for anyone looking for more dmg

in m+

[plush tendon]

told ya

[honest plinth]

korayn is good for snap aggro thats why bears use it for example

[lone turret]

any tips for keeping a higher uptime on shield block? feels like i have these huge gaps while its on cd

even with reprisal

[mossy peak]

in m+?

[lone turret]

• raid tbh

[mossy peak]

raid it's more situational but your shield block uptime only matters on the last few since the rest of the time you're trading

[jagged pier]

well dont use it when your not tanking a lot of ppl do that for some reason

[lone turret]

im sure that will fix my issue thank you

[mossy peak]

for m+ if you have double time just try and back up and charge the farthest enemies

[jagged pier]

and u can move out before u need taunt so u can charge

u can intervene your cotank on cd

[ocean bloom]

I think he meant not tanking lol

[mossy peak]

either way you can weave in when things are casting

like if something starts casting just back up a bit and charge

it's free and easy

charge has a minimum distance of like 8 yards

so you dont have to do anything fancy to weave in those free charges

[jagged pier]

that being said ive seen a few to many logs this exapnsion where ppl arent pressing it

[ocean bloom]

Yeah man blocking sucks id rather get 7k ip

[mossy peak]

and yeah when you aren't the active tank you can slow down on casting it

also find a good target for intervenes and focus them, usually your other tank but in m+ just another melee

you can and should basically keep intervene on cd

that one is a lot easier and safer to use than charge even

doesnt reposition the boss

if you chose a good target

[ocean bloom]

Although it is a bit min maxy if you aren't gonna be active tanking for the full CD then using it offensively is okay

[mossy peak]

i would say on that front just keep the 1st charge on cd

so it's rolling

[ocean bloom]

Yeah thats my 1st instinct

[mossy peak]

generally when i'm not tanking i just run out and charge back in

[lone turret]

okay, just need to practice more i think, only just picked up the class + tanking, thanks you all for the answers 🙂

[mossy peak]

keep in mind that we cant really reasonably have perfect uptime, but it also isn't needed

if you are tanking full time there are ways to fill the gaps and either way there are moments where bosses are casting abilities, moving, or otherwise not just smacking you in the face

and you don't need it during those moments

it's not just about generic spec/class rules, it's also just knowing the fight

[jagged pier]

i mean ppl do it
🤷

[mossy peak]

and using downtime to build up the charges again for when you need them during your uptime

also if you dont really get to use reprisal well in raid, you can just use the wall

it's what we used before and it's still generally better on any fight where you arent tanking the whole time

[ocean bloom]

Theres also people who havnt played another game since vanilla and still struggle with heroic dungeons some people play for differnt reasons lol

[jagged pier]

ture i think its somthing to do with it saying 50% to all damage and they dont understand blocking and armour etc

like if u read the abilities face value IP would look better to use

[mossy peak]

IP was also ridiculous when it was first added

maybe someone has it in their lizard brain that it's the way it was for that first few months or whatever

[distant crystal]

should change the name to "pay little attention to pain"

[jagged pier]

it was 90% for all of legion

it was dragon scales that was busted at the start

[mossy peak]

didn't prot get the shit beat out of it at the beginning, was ip really that good the whole time

we got nerfed to bits

[jagged pier]

nah it was dragon scales and inspiring presence

that were nerfed week one

so precense didnt stack

[mossy peak]

we were busted for more than just week 1

[jagged pier]

and dragon scales procced less

[mossy peak]

it was like the first month or two of EN

[jagged pier]

and gave less absorb

it was 1 week

the tops guild used like 3 prots

for healing

so we were giga nerfed

[mossy peak]

well, whatever the case, the 90% IP thing is what i was thinking of

[jagged pier]

then we had aggro issues all expansion because insirping presence gave healing aggro until argus

[mossy peak]

since the point was that someone who played back then might still think IP is that good

when it's.... not

i played arms in EN until i had to tank, so I jumped in on it after the nerfs

[unique shale]

why paladin healers won’t heal me until i am 10% ? or they think i am dh?

they rather afk or keep dpsing then healing

[sturdy sable]

Ya you could stack ignore pain as high as you wanted at the start of legion it was pretty fun

[short nexus]

I wanna get back into tanking, but the kite meta was insanely boring. Is kite meta still alive, or did the 10% + gear progression change it?

[inland raft]

Youll still kite vut much less so on a warrior then dh

[cyan cypress]

Ok, I'm starting to feel a little lost here. Should I just pool my rage for Shield Block and keep that up at all times or should I be primarily using IP or just dump on both when I can? Guides are good to an extent, but as far as playing prot goes I feel there isn't a whole lot that explains how to effectively use SB and IP..

[inland raft]

I dont mind when i have to kite on warrior usually

Dh i feel like its all i do

Keep shield block up, dump excess rage into revenge mostly ignore ip except when taking predictable spike damage/magic damage

Hit bad man harder bad man no hurt you anymore

[cyan cypress]

Lmfao dope. I feel way better about it now.

[mossy peak]

you're gonna have to bounce out from time to time, but reprisal lets you kind of just

weave that in anyway

monster/you have high stacks of something, you're low life, healer is in trouble, etc? bounce out for a sec, everyone knows to just slow the mobs when they see the tank fuck off

then reengage a sec later when it's all dropped off and things are caught up

that's the natural flow these days, there will always be kiting

but reprisal at least makes it feel more organic

[inland raft]

Ya but warrior kiting feels fine

I hate when i have to swap back to dh anymore o boy here i go to Africa again

[mossy peak]

the only spec that can just sit there and face tank the world right now is druid, and even they gotta fuck off sometimes

[cyan cypress]

Also, any Venthyr here? I'm Venth primarily for fury but should I be using Condemn instead of revenge on ST on those windows?

[inland raft]

I dont play venth but id assume so given st situation condemn pretty big dam

[mossy peak]

condemn is good single target yeah, and the absorb isn't negligible

but generally you won't be condemning much in a key

that's one of the driving factors why i switched to fae

i found myself tanking more and more and just strongly dislike not having a covenant ability for most of a m+

and fae is equal-ish in raid for fury now

[inland raft]

Fae lowkey bis i played fae for a while then swapped kyrian and now swapping back and phial kinda overrated

Meanwhile aa is 12 seconds of non dr stuns

[mossy peak]

kyrian pot's busted where it's busted

and fine where it's not

[inland raft]

Its just dwarf racial with a small heal, nice no lie but mot the make or break so many people push it to be

[mossy peak]

it's not make or break, but it does give non dwarves a way to deal with something that they normally can't

i consider the phial to be the reason to go kyrian as prot, the spear is the secondary there

fae is more damage though, and in my opinion at the moment is the best spec overall for warrior as a class in pve

[inland raft]

Ya for sure just saying i kinda like the 12 seconds of stuns more, outside necrotic weeks but necrotic weeks is do 10 and play something else anyways

[mossy peak]

it checks the most boxes as 1st or 2nd place

[wanton quest]

is anyone doing raids as a NF ?

[mossy peak]

sure

super good damage

[chilly brook]

Raiding as NF is pog

[broken mulch]

On sludge progress should I play AM or bolster? Very new to tanking

@chilly brook what soulbind is the pog one? 🙃

[chilly brook]

Niya for most

Korayn is nice on SLG

[broken mulch]

AHH nice think I got last row of niya now

[outer solstice]

niya burrs is OP

[subtle island]

Anyone got any tips for tanking Nicklaus in p3?

[shut summit]

make sure block is up for duelists riposte, use BoP if you get higher stacks

[urban portal]

why do some people say that darkness>rallying cry

arent they basically the same thing but one is RNG?

[rustic relic]

@subtle island Def have block up for every Duelist Reposte. Also.. have your co tank take him until the Stoneguard spawns. Usually you're group should be able to push before stacks get too high. Otherwise.. bop is good as well.

[distant crystal]

if everyone is stacked for it, darkness is waaaay better

well, depending on the type of dmg too

darkness gets better with DoT type dmg, rally is juiciest for things that are almost 1shots, and darkness pairs nicely with spirit link

[floral pewter]

Darkness actually prevents damage and reduces HPS needed, RC is "just" an EHP boost but doesn't reduce the amount of healing required to recover

[subtle island]

Thanks guys

[toxic prairie]

hey guys, trying to check my logs for SB uptime, where do I look on logs to see my effective uptime?

[covert mist]

Am i supposed to equip the Thunderclap leggo to feet or hands

[grand drum]

You should get reprisal instead of thunderlord

[covert mist]

I just started playing again, i dont understand how to even get it lol

[grand drum]

Upper reaches layer 3+ in torghast

if that wing isn't up you can do twisting corridors and reset until you get that wing

[gilded sky]

do you have to reach floor 3 todo that though?

[sweet summit]

You need to do a boss aka floor 6 afaik

[gilded sky]

kk havent done much twisting i just read somewhere you have to get to floor 3, then keep entering and resetting until you get upper, just wanted to confirm, but ill check myself tomoz:)

[sweet summit]

Layer 3

[gilded sky]

maybe i mean layer 3,

[sweet summit]

Not floor 3

[gilded sky]

yeah

[sweet summit]

Yeah thats right

[gilded sky]

so i need layer 3 then spam reset it to get upper reaches right?

ok thanks and nn

[sweet summit]

Yep

Gn

[north rampart]

Easiest mythic nathria bosses after shriekwing?

[mighty valley]

huntsman then hungering is a pretty common order from what i've seen

[half flicker]

Hey guys! Is it really between nightfae and kyrian for prot? or can venthyr/necro have some potential?

[mossy peak]

all four are valid for different reasons

venthyr and necro are more niche

kyrian has the potion firstly, and the spear is nice, night fae is your most overall damage, venthyr is solid for pure single target/raid, necro can have some niche uses with a well coordinated plan and two dps who can benefit well from it

[signal plover]

Damage taken >>> mouse over melee (or other blockable dmg)

[toxic prairie]

oof.. 53 percent blocked hit. I gotta get better with reprisal

charge, sb, intervene, sb, run out then run in right? I feel like I have it up allot more then that

anyone got vidoes or hints for me not to be a turd with SB?

[mighty valley]

If you're using both charges close to on cooldown, the best way to increased blocked hits is better team dps lol

Or if that's not an option then kiting while stuff comes up

[toxic prairie]

okay, that makes allot of sense. I tank pugs and their is always someone pulling like 2k on trash and it takes forever

[sturdy sable]

This is why I DPS pugs instead

[dry kite]

new prot war focusing on m+ casual tanking for my raid team - is reprisal just the end all be all best lego?

reading up on it and it seems that way

[sturdy sable]

If your focus is m+ yes

[dry kite]

yeah looks like the rage gen on slam one for raid but

raid tanking zzz

[mossy peak]

the wall would be the raid choice, and in suitably high enough keys

[sturdy sable]

But I do recommend crafting the wall at some point

[mossy peak]

but by that point you'd know if you needed it anyway

[dry kite]

sure yeah it looks like it might scale nice too

but ill go reprisal first, thanks!

[mossy peak]

if by scale you mean like, future patches

[sturdy sable]

And seismic reverb after that

Just incase

[mossy peak]

literally do not ever think of future patches for balance shit ever

none of that matters, it all changes

[dry kite]

blizzard making meaningful changes

lul

good one

[mossy peak]

there will be new legends and whatever

there always are

your pessimism is misplaced, blizzard does a lot of dumb stuff but not this specific department

[sturdy sable]

They usually try to avoid head aches for sure lol

[mossy peak]

reading this chat sometimes is a bigger headache than blizzard could ever cause

[sturdy sable]

I dunno

[dry kite]

just coming from other competitive games like dota, fps, etc, 5% this 8% that is boring as all hell.

[sturdy sable]

You ever have to deal with conduit energy?

[mossy peak]

have you actually ever played this game through several numbered patches isaaac

there is a difference between small and numbered patches

[dry kite]

im referring to midpatch. obviously the next new meta will be equally unbalanced and the fotm rerolling will begin again because after that; 6-8 months of glacially slow changes

[mossy peak]

sure

but that's why i said "scaling" as a factor is pointless

when the gear level and stuff improves, that's in a future numbered patch

which is when they take a blender to everything

maybe they add new legends and say you can wear 2 and suddenly you're off to the races with two completely new legends, or a new one and a current one thats considered dogshit

[toxic prairie]

@sturdy sable that is not a bad plan, I am usually fury but even with a decent io trying to get into pugs as dps is rough

[dry kite]

idk, i get accepted right away on my fire mage xd

[errant oriole]

hey guys defensively is it better to gem haste or vers as well as enchant? what would you guys say?

[sweet summit]

vers is better defensively once oneshots become a thing you have to worry about, or when blockable damage is not the majority of damage taken (like bleeds/dots/casts become a huge threat AKA very high keys)
and a few gems/enchants is not something you will notice.
secondary stat distribution is most likely not the reason you feel squishy/is dying

[toxic prairie]

Yea, fire mage and ele shamans seems to get first pick, everyone wants a list

Lust

[sweet summit]

fire mage and ele sham are also two of the best dps in keys atm

[toxic prairie]

My fury rips also, just gotta get in the damn key

[errant oriole]

ah ok thanks @sweet summit

[sweet summit]

yeah i beat a boomkin in a halls 22 yesterday!!!

stoneborns carried my damage lmao

[toxic prairie]

Oh shit! On your warrior ?

[sweet summit]

yah fury

[toxic prairie]

Hey, we all got buttons, give warriors a version of convoke

I was going to go nf but I do arena also

[sweet summit]

nah damage is fine, give us trees, innervate, battle ress, vortex and we're good :v)

[toxic prairie]

Yea no shit, do some good work with rallying cry and piercing howl though

[sweet summit]

and whirlwind hamstring xd

[toxic prairie]

I miss the utility of my ret pally, but I feel like we do so much on demand burst it makes up for it . Not having to hold cooldowns on prides and stuff helps

[sweet summit]

fury burst isnt even that great, its mostly consistent cleave fury shines in

and m+ more often than not, want burst

[toxic prairie]

Yea, for sure. I’m only like 1150 io but most of the boomkin and such that are around my ilevel and io I beat pretty handily .

Had a outlaw rogue give me the business yesterday in spires though

[weak dune]

even just having dbts alone would make fury a loooot better in m+

[sweet summit]

true

[oblique garnet]

Just having dbts wouldnt make fury be brought over other classes in m+

[sweet summit]

also true

[oblique garnet]

If you want to currently bring melee its always gonna be rogue

just because on how much they can do in terms of disrupts and general utility

Fury just goes ook ook good dam

[sweet summit]

isnt monk still good?

[oblique garnet]

eh

Not good enough to warrant bringing over rogue in higher keys

even dh probably better pick over rogue if you have any other tank just because how the meta is

Or monk rather

[distant crystal]

dat numbing poison tho

tanks love him

[oblique garnet]

Well that and just because rogues can solo stop so many mobs

[distant crystal]

yeah was meming but numbing is actually kinda sleeper

gouge, kidney, cheap, blind, sap, shroud, shivsoothe

[weak dune]

well true, but i'm just thinking fury is super squish in higher keys

[oblique garnet]

Not really

[sweet summit]

fury is very tanky

[distant crystal]

feint tho

[weak dune]

and being able to taunt + dbts is some decent utility, of course nothing holds a candle to rogues unfortunately

[oblique garnet]

Spell reflect has some good uses in some keys

Plaguefall first boss for example

[distant crystal]

🤔

what do they reflect there the frontal?

[sweet summit]

stomp

[oblique garnet]

Stomp

[weak dune]

castigate is great too

[distant crystal]

that's weird af

lol

[oblique garnet]

Id say fury and warlock suffer from similiar problems when it comes to m+

why bring one when X class can do same but also better

[sweet summit]

yeah, and its always gonna be like that

but

that doesnt matter for the vast majority of players

[oblique garnet]

Love trying to get weekly done on my 230 warlock and getting declined and log to my 210 mage and get insta accepted

[weak dune]

it kinda does cause they want meta comps for their 12s, or at least rdps

[sweet summit]

love pug mentality

[mossy sluice]

can any calling reward hymnal or only bastion related ones

[sweet summit]

bastion only

[oblique garnet]

Only bastion

[oblique garnet]

This but when they want that mage for their 15 and full well knowingly dont do big pulls the mage loses value and my warlock would end up doing 4k more dps

[sweet summit]

but top team use so must be good no matter what

🐒

i think drums getting a nerf also had some impact on this tho

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah for sure

[sweet summit]

as youre more inclined to bring actual lust, rather than use drums

[oblique garnet]

And removal of scrolls

[sweet summit]

removal of scroll wasnt that bad tho? 7% - 15% in BFA and 0%-5% in SL?

[weak dune]

IDK why the drums nerf was even needed considering mage has been meta for over a year now

[sweet summit]

oh it was 10% in BFA not 15%

[oblique garnet]

Ye

Scrolls being back in the game would add little bit more variety

[sweet summit]

can we get scrolls for mystic touch and chaos brand too please

[oblique garnet]

Now that would be epic

But no

[sweet summit]

[oblique garnet]

Theres already so many consumables

Thank god the armor kits are not on everslot anymore

Or w/e 4

[sweet summit]

yea xd

[oblique garnet]

Also @sweet summit arent you eu why are you still awake?

[sweet summit]

could ask you the same 👀

[oblique garnet]

Im degen 👀

But since you are awake would you like to come tank a key on my totally not a trap warrior : ))

[sweet summit]

ye sure xd

[oblique garnet]

Wait really

[sweet summit]

yeah?

[oblique garnet]

Are you on horde?

[sweet summit]

yep

[oblique garnet]

add me on bnet

[torn stump]

they need to make warriors regen super fast when more warriors are in the group, so we can run all warrior groups, and heal through the combined might of our bros

[brittle owl]

so like wotlk DK

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

Wtb legion inspiring presence

Also I really think they should revert drum changes and bring back scrolls 100%

[brittle owl]

bring back no sated, party wide bloodlust

[sweet summit]

Negative

[jagged pier]

they are so against it, they getting rid of it in tbc

[hollow sun]

I usually invite mages for time warp since hunters bitch all the time about using the pet😂

[red tree]

Never had one complain on me, they are usually happy to get invited to a group lol

[hollow sun]

Actually they bitch all the time to me, to the point of being quite annoying

Every time that we use a hunter for BL I am like "ah shit, here we go again, he will start to complain about how he loses dps by using the pet for BL"

[brittle owl]

just like your attitude

[sweet summit]

[blissful root]

Man! I'm so super hyped about prot warrior at the moment. I was still doubting how satisfying it was to play. I boosted him to ilvl196 last few days and jumped in some +14s

Incredible how tanky warriors are with the new legendary, I barely took any damage at all while facetanking stuff in mists & soa.

[jagged pier]

i mean it was like that before the patch

🤷

[blissful root]

Guess I missed out 😄 Plka's recent video made me bite the bullet and roll an extra alt

But enjoying it more than my DH atm, feels pretty fun to kite around the mobs instead of actual kiting.

My shaman and mage are really happy with it too

haha

Only thing I'm still ping-ponging about in my head is whether to stay Kyrian or swap to NF.
We already have a kyrian for the group now and we're not gonna go past +20s on the warrior. So might be better to go NF for the overall

[sweet summit]

nf is defo the better option if you already have a kyrian yeah

unless there is a covenant you dont have

prot is flexible like that

[blissful root]

Nice. That'll allow multispeccing to Fury for M+ / Raids too

But no Arms PvP.. I'll think about it for a bit more. Thx!

[sweet summit]

can always go venthyr 👀

[jagged pier]

u can pvp as NF

its not the best but u can make it work

Baj was NF for a very long time

[blissful root]

Yeah but Baj is a warrior god, I just started playing it a week ago :p

[blissful root]

Venthyr is pretty lackluster for snap agro right?

[sweet summit]

i dont have any snap aggro issues

[blissful root]

How is Venthyr's AoE damage on fury in M+?

[sweet summit]

you get a free BSC powered revenge after charge

its good, but not nf levels

[blissful root]

The only venthyr we have in our group is a frost mage and he doesn't play much, and a holy paladin but it's an alt and low geared.

So going Venthyr would be a good utility-wise decision too, if it doesn't harm my overall dps / threat

[sweet summit]

you will have a lower overall dps as venthyr compared to kyrian/nf

threat should not be an issue if you play properly

theres also the option to try both venthyr and night fae, swapping covenant isnt hard. the only pain in the ass is renown

[blissful root]

Yeah fair enough. I hop around covenants weekly on my mage depending on the content I want to do 😦

Good to see that a lot is viable on warrior though. I like that.

[sweet summit]

ya every single one is playable for prot

with each having their strengths and weaknesses

[sand tide]

Hi guys

lvling a warrior for tanking as second char and i am at the important choice

congragation for wartank

[jagged pier]

do you mean covernant?

if you do

[sand tide]

yeah

[jagged pier]

which every you like

[sand tide]

when i am reading they both look fine

venthyr probably the last

[jagged pier]

it honestly really doesnt matter, they all have there good bits and bad bits

venthyr is probs worst for m+ as your dont you it in aoe ever

[sand tide]

kyrian look fine for both raiding and MM+ and fae look stronger in MM+

[jagged pier]

all are fine for raiding and all are fine for m+ i dont know what to tell yah prots in a good place you can choose what you like

[sand tide]

damn it's not like BDk and DH xD

[jagged pier]

nope

[median tulip]

Personally I quite like Venthyr, because Condemn basically just takes the place of Revenge when you get to a boss fight

I have found that Venthyr basically requires Ravager though, while the other covenants have more flexibility these

[sweet summit]

ya u never spec out of ravager as venthyr

[torn stump]

condemn takes the place of ignore pain when you get to a boss fight

you still revenge when you cant condemn

[brittle owl]

[torn stump]

actually condemn pretty much takes the place of everything on a boss fight except shield block

you just turn into an arms warrior

[brittle owl]

IP is off gcd bucko

[torn stump]

thats condemn rage

[jagged pier]

imagine IP on bosses LUL

[torn stump]

you should be making super saiyan noises the entire boss fight while you spam condemn

[stiff tusk]

So if i wanna use reprisal on sludgefist do i intervene to a melee or the co tank?

[half scarab]

Hey, I'm debating if I should switch from Bastion to Necrolord. I've been looking at logs of the better warriors and they seem to be fairly mixed on covenant choises. I'm more focused on raids atm, but do I gimp my damage in pugs if I go necrolord over kyrian in your guys' opinion?

[jagged pier]

you will gimp your own damage by switching

and necro isnt as a bigger buff to the group as ppl thought it was going to be

and on top of that its tuff to use even in a cordinated group

like plka has said before it kept going on his healer etc

[half scarab]

That's a big oof

[jagged pier]

and if theres a boomkin in the group your using it every 3 mins instead of 2 so u have to sit on it and loose casts

[half scarab]

Hmm.. Does it give more defensive options over Kyrian? I'm a bit undergeared atm and I noticed on Inerva that I was taking a fair bit of damage. And yah the rage from Spear of Bastion is nice but I was wondering if the banner has something more

[jagged pier]

not really

rage gen from spear every minute is kind of huge

and u et near enough the same mastery every minute for less time time of course