protection

[distant crystal]

or something weird

[dusky mica]

that was my thought too

a lot of spells need a minimum list of valid targets

[distant crystal]

cause you see that with a lot of mechanics that don't go on tanks when they happen during a wipe

with like 4/20 ppl alive it all goes on tanks

[craggy harness]

It's not impossible, definitely my experience of having the add is at last 2 vats with dps dead

even just 1/2

[dusky mica]

It's probably a min valid targets situation

and people are immune too early, or dead

[distant crystal]

blizz isn't gonna let you bring 20 venthyr prot pallies to cheese fights 🙂

look ma, no mechanics

[craggy harness]

17 warriors and 3 holy pallies?

[shut summit]

not sure has to do with immunities or using them too early either

https://i.imgur.com/33pkchx.png

0 deaths all fight, no1 had immunity up early

shits just weird

[frail wyvern]

I got sinseeker once on mythic huntsman, with everyone alive. I think some mechanics just have a very very low chance of going on tanks and most assume its 0

[craggy harness]

That'd be a wierd one to see the first time

[digital arch]

yeah, its nice the trinket of critic

[distant crystal]

Ok boys I need 19 unsaved volunteers to go do some science

[craggy harness]

just make sure you're 2nd in threat on the boss lol.

[digital arch]

if u use always with the burst, stay very nice

i did 1,4k of melle critic

[solid jungle]

just went in a dungeon with a 220 war tank, was he joking or is it normal ?

[distant crystal]

I just really doubt any of those are coded as "99.9% chance to go on a healer or dps but let's throw it on a tank .1% just to fuck with their heads"

[frail wyvern]

Could just be a rare bug that those mechanics go on tanks

[shut summit]

yea its likely something else going on, just safer to say its a possibility and can reflect for those situations if you really need to

super deep into the tier so largely not a huge deal

[craggy harness]

they fiddled around with targetting too on quite a few fights, Inerva included, didn't they?

[distant crystal]

Does reflect do anything besides dr on the tank or add stacks,

On innerva

[ocean bloom]

reflecting add cast is sweet

[frail wyvern]

Use it on the tank specific red circle later in the fight, when the debuff wears off

[craggy harness]

Never felt that was doing the damage that was hurting me lol

but probably not a bad idea if its up

[ocean bloom]

well that prevents raid dmg and gives more uptime i think rigght

[craggy harness]

not raid dmg

if i remember correctly

you still need to ge tout

[frail wyvern]

It's been ages since I did inerva because we have been extending but I have a feeling it makes it do 0 dmg

Might be wrong though

[craggy harness]

There's so much going on I just use it on cd, except when big add is up

[distant crystal]

I didn't know that mechanic existed until the first time I got it

Asked raid leader and he didn't either lol

[frail wyvern]

You can get it on HC too, you just never get to that point before the boss dies

[ocean bloom]

unless the raid lkead is a tank they rarely know the tank mechanics lolol

"just do the tank thingy"

[frail wyvern]

Trying to explain to the raid leader that red on red on red on red makes the spinny adds hard to see when learning 😂

[ocean bloom]

sound is such a life saver on that fight

[frail wyvern]

It's an easy mechanic when you get used to it, unless it spawns too far in a wall

[ocean bloom]

yeah i cant auto pilot that figght at all

cuz as soon as im not waiting for them to spawn i lose them

[frail wyvern]

Haven't found myself straining my eyes so hard on a boss fight to make sure I catch them spawning before lol

Fun fight overall though, really ramps up all of a sudden

[modern brook]

I dont know what I should be looking at herr

[craggy harness]

I haven't actually got a hang of the sound thing

I'm wondering if its because of camera angle (looking top down normally)

[floral pewter]

Ignore Pain is not a warrior's primary mitigation anymore, so it isn't crazy to not be using it much

but it's just not very strong

Indomitable is just passive healing by spending rage, so you can benchmark other healing against it

if I'm struggling to survive and spending all rage to spam IP, my IP healing will be about twice my Indomitable healing

ie, still only half of what you did via Holy Shock alone

if the tank was getting trucked and still didn't use IP, that may be an issue

[unique shale]

sad life 😦

no invite for 18 keys at all

all them have dh tank

[patent osprey]

don't worry @unique shale the meta is shifting!

[unique shale]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-thank-you-jesus-grateful-praise-gif-9591328

[chilly brook]

@sweet summit Korayn for SLG?

[unique shale]

Are you going to claim your spot pika ?

Nerftank

took first spot

[patent osprey]

probably not haha. Nerf is good enough to play wow for a living I think ^.^ as well as his entire squad ^.^

I'm represent the more casual wow pop!

[unique shale]

cool

[sweet summit]

yes

[glossy needle]

Can someone convince me not to reroll NF from kyrian as a prot/fury exclusively m+ player?

Some good reasons pls..cba doing that horrid campaign over again , lmao

[stable kernel]

@patent osprey you will be 3k next week no more casual talk

[mighty valley]

when you're on your death bed you won't give a single shit about whether you stayed kyrian or switched to night fae

[glossy needle]

Thats solid advice right there 🤔

[mighty valley]

just pick the one you'll have more fun on long term, it's not gonna open up any content you couldn't do before

[bitter ermine]

I find more value in NF ability than Kyrian aside from the pot but ya

having two aoe stuns is kinda a big deal imo

[tame jasper]

For me it feels like almost every DD is NF and in general I‘m the only Kyrian when playing SoA or NW. I only know one non-tank who is kyrian

Whst I mean: If you want to pick up dungeon goodies in this dungeon 🤷‍♂️

[nimble laurel]

what are y'all using to kill explosives if they aren't at range for heroic throw?

[stable kernel]

been trying to shield slam or get deva proc if nothing happens and team doesnt get it

guess we dead

[nimble laurel]

yeah, that's basically where I'm at

[stable kernel]

pugging is hilarious too

"why we died here?" Cus I'm trying to get all the explosives while holding aggro and living

while y'all got 200 explosive dmg

[hot oxide]

the vulpera dmg reduction racial

is it from the enemy you procced it from, or can it be procced on 1 enemy then used by another?

[lusty marsh]

SK down woooooooooooooooooo

[supple fable]

tanked my 1st dungeon

i need a weakaura for intervene

i will not remember to click it lmao

[supple fable]

there are ret pallies, windwalker monks..... end of list i guess

[haughty token]

When I'm using Shield Block, should I try to go for maximum uptime? Or try to use it for heavy hits? (so when I have 1 charge of SB, tanking some hits without it, then popping it for when a hard hit comes out)

[vocal bison]

If you have reprisal you can do both! 🙂 But if you find yourself in a situation like that save it for the big blockable hit. If the hit isn’t blockable use shield block other than that. Use IP and shield reflect for painful non-blockable hits. There is a good note in the pins about it.

[haughty token]

Ah thanks!

So IP shouldnt be always used, just for big hits?

and* rage burn

[vocal bison]

Only use if you need it to survive on top of shield block to smooth damage, to help mitigate a non-blockable hit, or if you are going to cap on rage. Shield block will almost always be your go-to over IP.

[hallow vine]

Guys i play necro prot, with guildies that pretty efficient on raid but for m+ i lack dps.
Is it really worth to swap to kyrian for both content ?

[ionic fern]

More than likely yes.

[waxen karma]

is prot war race selection strict at all

[blissful root]

Depends, BE is really valuable for M+ but none of the races will really limit you.

[waxen karma]

whats that

[blissful root]

Blood Elf

[waxen karma]

ooo word

was thinking what racial is BE

[blissful root]

Hahaha yeah I meant Arcane Torrent

[waxen karma]

undead is the highest horde sim for prot

orc is close + orc gets a similar stamina modifier to tauren (aside from passive)

[ionic fern]

Pick the one that has the coolest looks.

[blissful root]

Orc smash

[ionic fern]

Racials won't make or brake anything compared to your personal play.

[waxen karma]

ofc ofc its more about niche and racial utility

might go zandalari

[blissful root]

Do it, they look good and Embrace of X racials are nice.

[feral dock]

Is it worth spending rage on shieldblock for casts with physical damage? Like NW last boss the ice shards.

I was told shield block only works on white hits and enhanced autoattacks like the tankbuster from gorechop

[ionic fern]

o.o

People are dumdum.

[ionic fern]

You should use Shield Block on anything that's blockable. The NW last boss Ice Shards are blockable.

[next ridge]

Hey everyone! I have 3 rings: BOE (213 - Vers/crit), Artificer one (213 - Vers/mastery) and DoS one (220 haste - vastery). Is ilvl > else applies here? How much do we prioritize vers for m+? currently running around 12-15% haste and 13-18 vers depends on ring

I have waaay too much mastery 😄

[ionic fern]

Rings are somewhat an exception to the "ilvl>everything" due to not having primary stats on them.
There is no real "rule" in how much of x stat do you need. In general the stat priority for m+ would be Haste>vers>>>>crit/mastery

[next ridge]

I ll go with artificer + dos than! Thank you Mwahi

[hallow vine]

What is the best loa for prot war ?

[jagged pier]

crit

honestly i dont think it matters

[solid cairn]

What is the universal consensus for the explosif? The tank take all the melee and the distant take the other?

[jagged pier]

we cant take them really

as in prot

u can only hit them with melee or if your lucky to get a SS proc

or if they are in HC range

its far fast for melee or range or the healer just to swap to them

[solid cairn]

HC ?

[jagged pier]

heroic throw

its has a min range

so if they are in melee u cant throw them

[solid cairn]

ok

[jagged pier]

its far fast for say a boomkin to moonfire

like we used to want to take them as they gave victory rush

[solid cairn]

cause yesterday i was doing the pull at the start of HOA and like almost all the explosif that i didn't do, exploded

was wondering if it was because i should have done all

[jagged pier]

u need to tell your dps they need to do them

and the healer

its a team effort

[solid cairn]

PUG

[jagged pier]

like sure we can do an odd one at range

yer i pug as well

i just tell them

[solid cairn]

Seems like a good week again....

[jagged pier]

but the melee ones we sturggle with if theres like 2 or more up

we arent getting them all

[solid cairn]

I have restarted to tank like a month ago

And the only time when it was easy for me to time key

was when it was necro

Seems like every week when you can't do all by yourself is an hard week

[jagged pier]

not really just actually be vocal and tell ppl

like ai did a SoA 17 yesterday and about half way through i was top explosive damage with a boomkin doing 0 dps to them

so i literally bitched every pull

till he was top

on them

because it so fuking ez for a boomkin

[solid cairn]

Yeah i should do that too

i got a really good huntard too

[jagged pier]

i mean he wasnt a very good boomkin asked for a big pull

[solid cairn]

told him to stop taking aggro with his pet 5 times

[jagged pier]

so i did one then he didnt use trees or incar

both were off cd

🤷

[solid cairn]

then i just leave

and another one whyspered me to tell me that i was a bad person

seems cool to tell people what to do and they do it

seems legit

Too much people didn't know the spell they have

[ionic fern]

Why would you care if his pet took aggro? It will die in like 5 seconds anyways. 😂

Maybe he'll learn.

[jagged pier]

well its not without struggles he told me he was hitting explosives so i had to link details to shut him up

[solid cairn]

the problem was that the mobs stayed in the sanguine

[ionic fern]

Oh, i thought this week.

[solid cairn]

and also, i don't like to not have the aggro

[jagged pier]

just challenging shout and ruun 🤷

had to do it alot last week

[solid cairn]

except when there is the elem or tree

[jagged pier]

your shotu still takes aggro

[solid cairn]

and not like every 5 seconds

I should have probably just say nothing and try to make it work nonetheless

I just don't like people who don't even look at the chat and just don't communicate

i know that i make mistake

and i prefer that people tell me

and not just try to shoulder it by themselve

[ionic fern]

You got too high expectations. 😂

[jagged pier]

☝️

[solid cairn]

Yeah probably

I should just think that people are dumb

[ionic fern]

Now you're getting it.

👍

[jagged pier]

☝️

[solid cairn]

yeah everytime i think that they can't be dumber, they are

[supple fable]

my rule of thumb is that if someone doesn't say anything within a minute or two of joining the group i remove them

[ionic fern]

Easiest way to think about your average PuG:

• Interrupts do not exist and when they do everyone will interrupt at the exact same time
• Utility tools do not exist

Just expect 0 things from your DPS'ers and play accordingly.

I never say anything outside of "Hello".

🤷

[supple fable]

even just a hello goes a long way

[jagged pier]

☝️

[supple fable]

but generally the more someone demonstrates a capacity to communicate

the better runs tend to go

[ionic fern]

lol

I'm happy you got such experience.

[supple fable]

idk i have had mostly pleasant experiences in pugs

by weeding people out

🤷

[stoic trail]

Always kick when they dont even say hello

[ionic fern]

Most of my PuGs are horrible.

[supple fable]

ye i'm not saying anyone who is conversational is automatically a better player, but generally i find it leads to more pleasant experiences. it's the quiet ones who tend to blow up and nuke keys or are unresponsive to shit being said in the chat

plus the more conversational someone is, the easier it is to notice red flags

[ionic fern]

I just did a 19 Mists like 2 days ago and it went like this:
-Boomy did around the same DPS as me.
-No one except for me kicked the heals
-No one except for me kicked the roots
-2 out of 3 DPS'ers got knocked off the platform before last boss
-"PULL BIGGER I GOT COOLDOWNS" ended with them doing 5k DPS in a double pack pull before the last boss.

[supple fable]

and idk, i don't mind taking an extra few minutes to form a group and weed out bad fits if it means i'm more likely to have a clean run

kek

[ionic fern]

And these are people with ~2k io.

[stoic trail]

I always love it when you say hello to them, they don't respond, you remove them, and then you get a whisper "why kick?". Ooooh so you can communicate afterall

[supple fable]

ye i imagine pugging at that level just makes every scuffed key sting that much more

cause of the time and energy investment

[ionic fern]

When ever i pug i just pretend it's only me in the group that's responsible for everything.

[hidden fiber]

Mwahi that sounds like every pug I am in

[supple fable]

i do that on my prot pally

can't do it on my warrior

not enough heals and interrupts :[

i can't one-man-band the 14

[ionic fern]

On 15's i just go yolo DPS cause i know that the pugs i get will do 3k overall.

😒

[supple fable]

3k dps is literally what i'm doing

now

as a 190 ilvl prot warrior

kek

[ionic fern]

That's also what a 220 fire mage does.

[hidden fiber]

Anyone got any nice videos or guide thats explains how to propertly use my cds as prot 😛 I have absolutely no clue ( first time tanking as prot warrior )

[stoic trail]

So what should be the dps range in M+ for a 220 ilvl NF prot war anyway

[ionic fern]

I'm..218 and doing anything between 4.5-5k+ with Reprisal.

Depending on the dungeon/pulls

[hidden fiber]

thats pretty good

[blissful root]

Lmfao

I can relate

"Pull bigger I got cooldowns" followed by the worst combust I've ever seen

[supple fable]

I just don’t invite fire mages anymore

Especially in lower keys

They’re always trash

[blissful root]

Honestly same, I'm pretty much convinced any fire mage below 1900 rio is pure trash

Frost mages however, oof. They rock.

[ionic fern]

In m+? Offensive ones use on CD more or less.
Defensive ones are trickier to explain.
-Use them to cover downtime in Shield Block if you do not want to kite
-Use them to mitigate a deadly cast about to go through
-Use them PROACTIVELY. No point popping SW after you get chunked for 80% of your HP.

[stoic trail]

And that is as NF right?

[hidden fiber]

Thanks that helps 🙂

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[blissful root]

5k overall is pretty impressive Mwahi, nice!

[stoic trail]

Cheers then I know what to aim for

[supple fable]

ye faerie seems like power

i just wish revenge had a better visual

i feel like i'm always guesing how many enemies it'll hit

[blissful root]

Yeah I want to go NF too, but we really need a kyrian for the group

so both my war and dh stuck on kyrian :C

[supple fable]

imagine being a blueberry

[jagged pier]

dude we have THIGHS

[ionic fern]

[supple fable]

trinket, shadowcore, lightless force dilute my dps breakdown a bit

i usualy have about 20% on revenge

but i'm also a 190 babe

[blissful root]

Blood barrier 😦

[supple fable]

still using a 145 destructive reverb conduit

[blissful root]

It took my DH about 60 DoS runs

Really looking forward to the grind on my warrior too

[supple fable]

i've gotten 3 blood scale in my prot pally's vault

220, 223, 226

over like 5 weeks

[ionic fern]

Took me a while to get mine also.

[blissful root]

Is there a way to kick @supple fable from this discord 😦

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

There is a distinct lack of nose for trouble on that healing meter

Smh

[supple fable]

if it helps i also got a 226 poxstorm on my monk with my single vault slot Randomtoch

[blissful root]

Oof

[ionic fern]

Know what there isn't a distinct lack of? Root dispells.

[blissful root]

I had like 4 IQDs on my DH, but never on my other chars lol

[ionic fern]

We had like 2 roots going through that run.

DWARF RACIAL

And pad damage.

😂

[supple fable]

i've stalled in gearing on my two main characters cause they don't mythic raid

so it's just hoping for vault shit

and i cba

hence pulling up my prot warrior alt

[ionic fern]

I've just defaulted to a weekly chest on my characters.

[blissful root]

Yeah same, my 4 other chars are all between ilvl 222-227

[supple fable]

ye i'm just doing 1 slot for my 4 characters

[blissful root]

Mostly BiS so I just play them for weekly chest / key pushing now

[ionic fern]

"Completing a higher key than +15 provides 3 runs towards your 10 weekly runs" when?

[supple fable]

and focusing on one character per week

[blissful root]

so warrior is my new side project

[supple fable]

prot warrior feels strong but i just wish revenge, ignore pain, and shield block had better game feel

ignore pain and revenge in particular don't feel like anything

[ionic fern]

o.o

[supple fable]

i'm not taling about numbers

i'm talking about game feel

animation / audio

[ionic fern]

Who plays with in game audio

Wat

[blissful root]

Ignore pain certainly doesn't feel as good as it used to

[ionic fern]

I just listen to music.

😂

[blissful root]

But I'm really enjoying prot warr with reprisal

I feel super in control

[supple fable]

even if you're going off pure visuals revenge still looks like a single target ability

feels wack to me

[ionic fern]

See, that's why i play a dwarf

So i don't see myself in the middle of enemies

[supple fable]

imagine playing a short race but the wrong short race

gnome supremcy

[ionic fern]

Dwarf is the only tank race for alliance m+.

[supple fable]

who cares about race optimization if you have to look like a fugly dwarf

😤

[ionic fern]

[supple fable]

jokes aside, i also really enjoyed playing a gnome tank

[jagged pier]

i mean dwarf is best alli race

[supple fable]

and making my healer suffer trying to mouseover targget me

[ionic fern]

Healers mouseover targeT?

What

[jagged pier]

but if u aint panda as horde u can go get out

[ionic fern]

Does he not have unitframes?

👀

[supple fable]

my friend didn't for a long time

[ionic fern]

Mad lad.

[jagged pier]

[supple fable]

indeed

[ionic fern]

Playing WoW on hard mode.

[supple fable]

he had gotten used to them from playing shadow

for mouseover doting

insisted it felt natural to him and i was like

???

anyways revenge needs better gamefeel imo

thunderclap and shield slam feel chonky though

[jagged pier]

how can TC feel chonky when its hits like a wet noddle 🤔

revenge pumps

[supple fable]

the numbers are irrelevant

[ionic fern]

THUNDER CLAP HAS THE LIGHTNING VISUAL

[jagged pier]

u expect me to play with good graphics XD

[supple fable]

when i say it "feels chonky" i mean the animation, audio make it satisfying to use

i mean it's no chain lightning but it's pretty good

i'm playing with most settings on low except particle effects which are 'fair' atm

cause one of my gpu's fan literally fell off

but ye idk revenge literally looks like an autoattack

[blazing condor]

Real Gs have the thunderclap glyph for lightning effect

also speaking of graphics which setting needs to be tweaked to see the "waves" coming out of the spears in SOA

for me rn they're like small dust-clouds instead of visible black thing

[jolly spindle]

the orbs on second boss too pls

i hate cancelling my night potion

[delicate thorn]

how's tanking black temple timewalking? my warrior is only an alt so I've never tanked a raid, only dungeons

[strong forum]

Ultra settings

[subtle tulip]

How long do we still have for this season to end?

[strong forum]

Partical density on ultra

[strong forum]

3ish months

[subtle tulip]

phew, still got some time. Had a couple unlucky 15s attempt this week. Was hoping to have enough time 🙂

[blazing condor]

Thanks Nom

also 3 months is wack lmao

that it's that long i mean

[strong forum]

It do be like that

[blazing condor]

imagine not getting aotc or ksm if you play daily for this tier

sad!

[strong forum]

Imagine playing daily

Sad!

[jagged pier]

☝️

imagine not raid logging at this point

[blazing condor]

good thing i neglected my college enough so im forced to study all day

[strong forum]

I want to skip raid logging so bad

You don't even know

Not raiding would get me to play the actual game

[jagged pier]

im too far commited to kill donny now

must log on for raid

[strong forum]

But with being forced into logging in twice a week I have 0 drive to do anything

[subtle tulip]

Good time to level alts tho

Mr glass half full at least ^^

[jagged pier]

i dont have time to play an alt

[blazing condor]

ive only played my prot warr since cata

[subtle tulip]

Tbh i just leveled my prot warrior from lvl 1. With Chromie + threads its a different experience.

[blazing condor]

i feel like any time not put into making my char as good as possible / pushing as high as possible is just inting

then when that gets boring i just dont play wow lol

[subtle tulip]

Was great whilst I was raid logging in the mean time

But I also have many guildies just playing diablo right now lol

[jagged pier]

as full time working boys now first exapnsion where im not in education and cant waste 90% of my time on wow

[young glen]

I just want to be done with CE and wait for 9.1 - feels like our team is running out of steam

[jagged pier]

mine ran out of steam at artificer

yet we are at SLG now somehow

🤷

[young glen]

Seems like your steam engines are much bigger than ours

:p

[blazing condor]

i went directly into council and we've been there too long it feels like

id wanna do some reclears tbh

[feral dock]

We are at 4/10atm started working on inerva. Feels like less and less participation each week

[jagged pier]

ive only ever seen prenerf council

actually havent recleared since before 9.0.5

havent even seen nerfed sludge

[feral dock]

So btw i dont have a leggy yet. Im not sure how high i should started pushing keys before getting a leggy. Have like 190ilvl and did +7 sd just fine

Do i actually need the leggy or does it make the runs just a bit smoother?

[jagged pier]

well u can do 15s without a leggo but i dont know why u would have one by now

they do benefit u quite a bit

[blazing condor]

yeah thats like kinda what thorgast and everything is made for

Cant really use soul ash for anything else : p

[feral dock]

I am a resto shaman main and my prot just became 60 like a week ago

So i had just 1 week of soulash for my warrior and no chance to get the right leggy for crafting since reprisel e.g. drops in thorgast

[jagged pier]

i mean u can get it from twisting corridors

and prot goes throw torghast like a knife through melted butter

[feral dock]

You can? I thought it just drops in a certain corridor of thorgast

[jagged pier]

and reisal at 190

is better than most other leggos at 235

[blazing condor]

like butter through melted butter

[jagged pier]

[jagged pier]

yer u have to go to layer 3

and reset till u get twisting corridors

then u just do the 6 floors

jobs done

[feral dock]

Saying that to a resto shaman main xDD

I didnt have probs with the prot in thorgast but it feels a little bit slow tbh

[blazing condor]

slow and steady

but yeah prot in torghast is boring

[feral dock]

Maybe i am just a bit spoiled from "healing rain and everything dies"

[sudden current]

if i have difficulty taking advantage of reprisal in m+, wall is the go to?

[blazing condor]

reprisal is the go to

just make sure you charge and intervene

and pump revenge

thats about it

[jagged pier]

yes if u are struggling with reprisal bolster and the wall are the way to go

[sudden current]

thanks - tbh i only do really low stuff, its a tertiary alt char

[jagged pier]

but also remeber even if u just are intervening on cd its still better than the wall as because u run AM with reprisal you have SW up pretty much the same timings u would if u ran the wall, but u would have more passive effective sb uptime if that made anny sense

[sudden current]

it does

[feral dock]

Do i have to do floor 1 and 2 before or can i just start at 3?

[jagged pier]

if youve already done twisting corridors on a nother char

u should be able to start at layer 3

[past grove]

Our first step into mythic last night and the first pull, the first Sinseeker went on both me and the other tank. The next 2 pulls the other tank got the first sinseeker. 20/20 alive in all cases.

[blazing condor]

what do you lose besides renown when changing covenants?

[delicate thorn]

transmog

[blazing condor]

any anima?

and shit like that

[jagged pier]

yus

[delicate thorn]

not sure

[jagged pier]

u dont keep your stored anima

the stuff in your bags u can use tho

[proud carbon]

Your stored anima stays with your old covenant

[blazing condor]

makes sense

[proud carbon]

unless you buy e.g. toys in old cove, then sell when you join a new cove

[blazing condor]

then i guess you can buy it all out then resell it

yeah

[proud carbon]

I did that this week and it worked well

[blazing condor]

ive only played kyrian - how much snap-aggro is AA in comparison to spear?

[strong forum]

Alot more, but limited to 5 targets

👍

Spear hits everything, AA doesn't

[blazing condor]

Thanks dood

[blissful root]

man I know right, resto shaman torghast is such a blessing

I clear it faster on resto than on my VDH 😂

[strong forum]

How long do you take in torghast

[jagged pier]

10 mins if that

just run

and kill boss

[ionic fern]

0

Cause i don't do torghast.

[blissful root]

Yeah feels good if you only need 1 for your class

I need 5 legendaries on my shaman -.-

forever stuck in torghast

[strong forum]

I've missed 1 week so far

Since launch

[ionic fern]

o.o

Crazy.

I'm too lazy for it.

[strong forum]

Idk I don't want 9.1 to come and then be unable to go insta to max level of reprisal

Ykno

Just have 20k ready

[blissful root]

I'm just waiting for blizzard to remove soul ash weekly cap

[ionic fern]

Mines 210.

And i'm happy with it.

😂

[strong forum]

I had reprisal day1 r4

Of 9.0.5

Have like 5k Ash again

It's like 30min of effort every week

[ionic fern]

👍

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

[ionic fern]

Too much

For me.

[strong forum]

I know

[blissful root]

I'm fully burned out on torghast too, sigh 😛

When twisting came out I forced myself to solo it all the way

[strong forum]

I can barely do 1 key a week

Ye I finished TC day2

Just to be done with it

[blissful root]

Yeah I think I did it day 3 but I kept getting fucked on RNG on last layer

so I spent like 12 hours just on the last layer

[strong forum]

What rng

[blissful root]

Was on my mage :p

[gaunt dawn]

If you get maw of the maw as your end boss

its kinda RIP

ngl

[strong forum]

Maw of the maw is the splitting blob?

[gaunt dawn]

no

the one that eats your hp

[ionic fern]

There's a boss like that?

[gaunt dawn]

yep

[ionic fern]

👀

[gaunt dawn]

had it twice as my end boss on TC Layer 8

second time it happened i just quit

[strong forum]

I'll say tho, since 9.0.5 torghast is muuuuuuuuuch better

[gaunt dawn]

third time didnt get it

easy shit

[strong forum]

Alot better powers

alot better

[blissful root]

Haven't done a lot of runs on my warrior actually

what is the go-to build for war?

[strong forum]

Pwar actually gets dmg powers now

Wdym go-to build

Just boss rush insta

If you get more than 10 powers you're killing too much

[blissful root]

You still get like 5-6 powers :V

[strong forum]

Yes, hence the 10

[blissful root]

Like on DH; Refresh immo aura / immo dmg, Resto shaman elemental dmg / chain lightning / healing rain dmg

[strong forum]

You need to farm alot of powers

To get a build

Aka waste time

Builds are only for twisted corridor

[gaunt dawn]

i clear every floor 👀

[strong forum]

Masochist

[gaunt dawn]

it doesnt take too much longer

and guarantees success

¯_(ツ)_/¯

just you get RNGd by end boss

🙃

[strong forum]

In TC, sure, I also clear floor 1-13, but 14-18 I skip

To get my build rolling

But not in regular torghast

[gaunt dawn]

regular torghast is like

get powers on floor 3 from vendor

rush to floor 6

done

[strong forum]

Exactly

[blazing condor]

What build yall use for TC then?

[frail wyvern]

Oh man I feel your pain. We only ever had it happen the once on me, hopefully you guys have exhausted your share of bad luck on the early pulls!

[strong forum]

Before 9.0.5 was 3x shout power + all SW and IP powers, execute and heroic leap dmg increase

And like 2x avatar duration increase

Now, no clue

We have alot more dmg powers now

[blazing condor]

yeah thats what ive been running too it doesnt seem to be that much to choose from

I also havent done any TC since 905

[sick sentinel]

Hello, between The Wall and Thunderlord which would be best for purely mythic + ?

[lofty widget]

it's reprisal>wall>thunderlords

[sick sentinel]

Alright thanks 😄

[feral dock]

Is there a certain combination of powers i should look out for in thorgast?

Last time i did it i went:
Improved shield slam damage-> shieldslam triggers whirlind-> improved whirlwind damage

To have some kind of synergy

I intend to do it solo or with a healer

[wheat blaze]

if they tell me to do that I just reply sure go a head and pull and if u are scared just stfu and do ur job pugs life

[jagged pier]

any and youll be fine honestly

[wheat blaze]

or go into a torg party and afk most of the time

or just go all mental and clear it in 10min

[feral dock]

Asking for twisting corridors

[wheat blaze]

Ah

[feral dock]

😋

[wheat blaze]

idk about i didn't bother on any of my alts with it

Waste of time

[feral dock]

I just cleared floor 1 with my shaman, floor 2 later today and floor 3 with my prot either in the evening or tomorrow for the leggy

Since i dont want to wait another 2 weeks for the right thorgast wing to be activr

[final crypt]

If I were trying to play a Warrior across all content and use as much of the three specializations as possible with maybe a slight lean towards PvP.. does Venthyr make the most sense or does that hamstring the prot side of things?

[jagged pier]

you can be any covenant u want for prot

[bleak karma]

i would think that you'd want banner for pvp? min movement speed of 100% is nice

[jagged pier]

nah its like venthyr > kyrian > necro >= NF in pvp was said the other day

[feral dock]

Venthyr is just way more burst

[hoary crow]

Night fae would be the most well rounded ”all specs all countent” cov, but you will limit yourself with arms pve

[plush tendon]

Naw, NF in PVP is probably a pain

Let me walk right out of that blue stuff my dude

Again, IDK, I dont PVP just sort of assuming

[fierce spear]

Hey guys 🙂 I'm struggling doing the orbs as prot warrior. As far as i can see, i have no other spell than Shieldstrike to kill the orbs!? Revenge seems not to work, neither do the other classic aoe spells of course (thunderclap etc).

Any suggestions?

[plush tendon]

What orbs?

[fierce spear]

explosive orbs

[plush tendon]

Auto attack

[fierce spear]

mh okay :/

[plush tendon]

You can also charge them, but mostly if you are running devastator auto attacks and SS

[fierce spear]

yep okay, thanks mate

[plush tendon]

otherwise, if you really need explosive coverage drop Devastator and use devastate

Also, mid range explosive are great targets to charge and proc reprisal

[fierce spear]

Yeah was already thinking about that, but tbh i dont wanna loose my ss proccs...

Yeah already trying on that 🙂

[plush tendon]

You wont lose SS procs, when you use devastate you still get SS procs. The difference is that it takes up a global

which is 😦

[jagged pier]

u can auto attack, shield slam if u have a proc or heroic throw if its far enough awya

its better to ask for healer and dps to help

[plush tendon]

herioc throw so troll like that

yea, explosives are a healer mechanic now

😛

[jagged pier]

like its far easier to get other ppl to do them espeically as we dont get virctory rush from them now

[fierce spear]

yeah heroic throw i use quite frequently for that, howevery I'm often too close to the target to use it

yeah that sucks! does warmachine profit from killing orbs?

nah, right?

[jagged pier]

if victory doesnt i doubt it does

but u should never run WM

its trash

[plush tendon]

funny enough the SD cannisters do profit from explosives XD

[jagged pier]

wow

[fierce spear]

no of course not WM for prot

[plush tendon]

pulled a single pack in the donut area of 3 mobs, ended with a 10 stacks buff

[fierce spear]

was asking for fury specc

[plush tendon]

big gains

[fierce spear]

ok thanks guys for all you input 🙂

[jagged pier]

u run fresh meat as fury no?

[fierce spear]

much appreciated

[plush tendon]

Yea, fresh meat 100%

[uneven mason]

RIP Protection soloing keys

Explosive during BFA was always a "Hurray I can go healerless this week"

[strong forum]

Or legion

[uneven mason]

once they put the IP fix in

Legion was all gravy

"healers lol, no I Just absorb"

it was the first 2 patches

"Ignore what? The fact that you never fixed our primary magic mitigation?"

[jagged pier]

i miss legion

[stable kernel]

we all do

[jagged pier]

saying to my healer just to go feral and he like what u dont need a healer

nah dude i wont die

solo the horse boss in kara every week for the mount

and still not getting it

[signal plover]

I def don't miss early legion legendary and AP farm

[jagged pier]

i mean it was better than bfa as u got AP from the content u enjoyed

[signal plover]

That's some fuckin heavy rose tint

[jagged pier]

not really

[signal plover]

Also the first few months of NH where bosses just ate our ass

[jagged pier]

i enjoyed legion i reeally didnt care about the grind at all

[signal plover]

If ya say so

[jagged pier]

i didnt find it annoying or horrible

but i was at uni and had the time and enjoyed running m+ all the time

🤷

[signal plover]

Legion as a whole was pretty good

Lots of unique stuff

But fuck there was some roughness around the edge early on

[jagged pier]

and i got the leggos i needed as 2nd and 3rd leggo

[signal plover]

Ah there it is

[jagged pier]

so not my problem

[signal plover]

Well

Fuq yoself

Ayooo

[jagged pier]

and even after that i still clear wqs everyday

🤷

as i said i enjoyed the game a lot

[uneven mason]

glad IRL made me skip that tier

had to take a vacation from wow like 2 weeks into NH

[jagged pier]

yer NH was awesome we couldnt tank it the druid healer in my raid wore the BRF 2 set for ST healing for me XD

[signal plover]

What's weird is I still rly enjoyed NH

We didn't get guldan that tier but was still a cool raid.

[jagged pier]

we did it was awesome

[signal plover]

I was still in a growing M prog guild at that point

[distant crystal]

draught

jesus take the wheel trinket

[signal plover]

Kek

[jagged pier]

guldan was stressful tho

like i was still generally not the best back then and i did the running tank job to placing the leaps etc

[signal plover]

Yeah I would have liked to try him on mythic as current content. Last phase was fun even when we came back to him for mount farm at the end.

We got elisande like 2 weeks before the patch and called a break

[blazing condor]

i miss bfa m+

and i didnt play 8.3

[sick sentinel]

Guys I have a 210 item level chest and I am equipped with a 200, if I equip 210 item level I lose versatility, do I switch to the higher item level or no

Armory is Evildandra-Grimbatol

[jagged pier]

u switch to the higher ilvl

[sick sentinel]

ok tyy

[subtle tulip]

Versa only for high keys, focus on haste as much as you can whilst prioritizing ilvl.

[sick sentinel]

What is high keys, 20+?

[jagged pier]

the top warriors are all going haste now

and no high keys are 24s

[sick sentinel]

ah ok

[crimson furnace]

187 Hymnal of the Path: value and is it worth it for them M+ action, tyty!!

[jagged pier]

very overtuned in terms of dps

so yes

[uneven mason]

item level > all

but for trinkets really

which are a case by case basis

[jagged pier]

i dunno if u have like a 213 spike or decanter the hynmal will do far more damage than them

[crimson furnace]

have a 210 spike

and a 226 phial

[sharp carbon]

hey guys, im starting prot warrior right now... is there a trinkets spreadsheet or something like that ?

[jagged pier]

it will be better than the spike

[sharp carbon]

also i went necrolord, is it worth ?

im looking to push m+ keys and off tank raids

[sweet summit]

all covenants are fine for us

[uneven mason]

worth it, personally no. But you won't be crippling yourself

[sweet summit]

the only two defensive trinkets worth thinking about are scale from hakkar and al'ar from sun king

as far as dps trinkets goes, just sim yourself

[uneven mason]

Sanguine is big defense

1min CD on what amounts to a health stone

[jagged pier]

quantum is a bait

get rid of it

[sweet summit]

i would not use a 233 vintage over a 220 scale

[uneven mason]

You're not wron'g there

but I'd use a 220 vintage over a 226 heart

although

[jagged pier]

and phial is by far our highest dps trinket i think maybe 233 dreadvessel or 226 sins on thing like slduge would be better but for overall consistant dps phial is amazing

[sick sentinel]

I have Blood Spattered-Scale, should I switch it with quantum device? My quantum device is 197 item level, this is 213

[jagged pier]

yes

scale is our best trinket for m+

[sick sentinel]

ok ty

[sweet summit]

so youd use vintage and scale?

[jagged pier]

i wouldnt

i did i think i even said i wouldnt run both

[sweet summit]

im asking ikari

[distant crystal]

gimme all ur shield buttons

[uneven mason]

sure, alternate on pull

I know, 2 on use scary

[sweet summit]

[uneven mason]

I run both on my druid

because 🤤 the game won't give Ikari a scale

all my other tanks got one

[jagged pier]

who even needs scale i hardly run it myself XD

[plush tendon]

My DK would love a scale...

On my war its sort of whatever

[uneven mason]

Scale is like having a little taste of what its like to play a VDH

[plush tendon]

its a good trinket, but I got lots of things to press 🙂

[uneven mason]

"I press 1 button and do a ton of damage + defend myself"

that on a 30s CD

is VDH

in a bottle

[plush tendon]

Fiery Brand is busted

[uneven mason]

You sure, I wasn't sure

a DR that produces an absorb and does damage

[plush tendon]

you can brand the 3rd boss in SoA and soak all the orbs with 40% damage reduction

[uneven mason]

IDK

[plush tendon]

its like night and day the difference between that and my war

[uneven mason]

I mean, I have a rogue

[plush tendon]

yea, they could clear

but then they lose uptime on boss

no beuno

[jagged pier]

what i dont get is the second boss of SoA i was in a group with all range and they got angry i didnt place the orbs ina straight line, so the next time i did the dungeon with a range group (yesterday) i put them all in a straight line and we wipe they bitch that they cant avoid and i said well ive been told its better when u have a full range group so anyway i got back and stack the orbs and they still cant avoid the circles so i dunno what to do anymore

🤷

[uneven mason]

Find DPS with braincells?

[jagged pier]

difficult when u pug

[plush tendon]

you stack the orbs

its on the DPS to position themselves facing the orbs

[signal plover]

Dude doing those orbs is sneaky hard on rdps/healers cuz they're big tunnelers

[blazing condor]

stacking is nice yeah

[plush tendon]

stack two, move to a new spot

[sterile moss]

i put the first two orb really close to each other, then move far away for recharge

[jagged pier]

literally like u guys didnt read the end of what i wrote

[blazing condor]

i dont need to read it you should just stack the orbs

kapp

[sterile moss]

I did, but you're doing the right thing

[plush tendon]

^^^

[signal plover]

No one here can read fyi

[plush tendon]

Just got to remember, only the tank really knows whats going on in the dungeon

everyone else is just there for the ride

[signal plover]

We're just trying our best

[uneven mason]

Jakey it sounds to me like what your DPS are saying is they need you to hack their accounts and play their characters because avoiding massive glowing balls is too many thinks

1 thinks slap DPS button

no more thinks plz

[jagged pier]

well you get that in pugs but i would have thought in a 19 you could at least see black orbs

flying towards u

[uneven mason]

I'm leveling a boomkin wearing mittens

so I can better understand the mentality of my PUG DPS

[jagged pier]

aww explain this

same key

before that boss

the double pull with spear

[uneven mason]

😄

[jagged pier]

the boomkin asked if we were doing it

[plush tendon]

you wont be able to, cause deep down you know youve tank this before and know what you wanted your dps to do

[jagged pier]

i said yes

doesnt use incarn or trees

[uneven mason]

Shall I blindfold as well

[jagged pier]

i told ppl yesterday i dont like that pull in pugs

because it never works

[plush tendon]

its the only way to get good results

[sterile moss]

wait, he picked trees for you?!

[uneven mason]

No trees on the double pull
😱

[sterile moss]

generous

[uneven mason]

seriously tho

[plush tendon]

thats what im thinking

[jagged pier]

they were both on cd

[signal plover]

I don't like that double pull with guildies unless they actually do m+ regularly

[plush tendon]

You do that double pull if you go right correct?

Cause I've been going left for a while now

[gloomy cradle]

yes

[jagged pier]

and left u double pull with spear

[sterile moss]

the mob right before ventunax is hard enough. I just have that speared lol

[plush tendon]

yea, thats what we spear

otherwise, left is pretty safe

[gloomy cradle]

i haven't had issues with the double pull in pugs, just play it safe and wait for the mobs to be stacked before you go

[uneven mason]

Got asked to do a big pull in PF in a guild group, to abuse the explodycans, so I'm alright, but you gotta help keep them in place otherwise they won't die...
I do it...3 mobs get hit because a Ring of peace went out ON TOP OF THE CANS

[gloomy cradle]

as opposed to trying to group them yourself

[uneven mason]

why I don't do big pulls (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[gloomy cradle]

as long as they're already stacked, the pull dies in like 30 seconds in a 20

[plush tendon]

You gotta watch Plka's video on PF

super helpful with how to use plaguebombs

dont even need to pull big

[gloomy cradle]

i normally just do 1 pack per pull there, no reason to risk big pulls

if you do it right you'll be done in just a few min anyhow

and besides, the borers are target capped

[blazing condor]

PF timer is so generous anyway

as long as you dont die and use the plagueborers youre way good on time

hell you can even wipe

[signal plover]

https://c.tenor.com/mSl-6FcyX5IAAAAM/leonardo-leonardo-dicaprio.gif

[distant crystal]

PF is so unfun as a dps when you do that strat

just standing around using CC's and stuff while the Borers do all the dam

[torn stump]

everything should be less fun as a dps so some of those assholes reroll tank and heals

[blazing condor]

PF is just a poorly designed dungeon in this sense tbh

its weird using enemies to your advantage and having to rely on them for fast clears

same with SOB in BFA with the spotter

[lone turret]

hey all, about to make the wall, is there a preferred slot for this??

[uneven mason]

shoulders

[plush tendon]

Tough nooggie DPS, these plagueboers pump harder then you

[lone turret]

thanks 🙂

[plush tendon]

Id rather have a group of me and 4 respawning plagueborers

who needs dps

[blazing condor]

unless u talking miniboss-borers you need dps to get them to 30% :- )

[fresh ruin]

looking for advice on covenants.. im hoping to do fury and probably prot for M+ if i raid it wil probably be fury atm.

any advice on which one to get that will be good for all options?

[plush tendon]

NF

all de way

[fresh ruin]

k

[plush tendon]

Very strong for Fury in M+ and raid

Big damage in M+ for Prot

[fresh ruin]

how about prot though

ah

[plush tendon]

Big damage and knockdown

is a fan favorite for us protties

[patent osprey]

Venthyr

Cause I miss my home

[plush tendon]

you back on the Venthyr wagon Plka?

[signal prairie]

Is condems mini shield worth over spending rage on ignore pain?

[plush tendon]

in ST its worth

the issue is that its only on the target you condemn

but in general you dont want to IP too much; only when SB wont block the damage

[fresh ruin]

i see alot of tanks going kyrian.

[sweet summit]

cos most dps dont

[plush tendon]

at the highest key level, tanks are usually designated as your Kyrian

[sweet summit]

and the dungeon buffs are epic

[supple fable]

Ehhhh

Kyrian dungeon buffs are under tuned imo

[lofty widget]

not really

the NW one is huge

[fresh ruin]

is NF even best for fury in raids?

[sweet summit]

venthyr is arguably better

both are very close in dps

venthyr just has the added defensive benefit

[fresh ruin]

but, for the prot aspect, venthyr is not very good it seems?

[sweet summit]

its not the best, but it works

[fresh ruin]

icy veins and wowhead dont seem to match up very well in terms of their recommendations =p

[sweet summit]

wdym

[stark sage]

icy veins and wowhead dont get updated as frequently as the meta shifts

if you multi spec and focus on PVE, NF is probably the best pick

[fresh ruin]

wowhead for prot, says (raiding, necro/kyrian)(Dungeons, Necro/Kyrian/NF), and fury (raiding, Venthyr/NF)(Dungeons, NF)

[stark sage]

that's pretty accurate

[fresh ruin]

vs icy veins, prot (Raiding, Kyrian/NF) (Dungeons, Kyrian/NF), and fury (raiding, Venthyr)(Dungeons, Kyrian)

[stark sage]

that's because icy veins doesnt update as quickly

its the same authors, but wowhead pushes new articles much faster

[fresh ruin]

but the good overall (probably dungeons around 15 to 17ish) is NF?

for both prot and fury

[stark sage]

yes, but a good player can make use out of every cove at that level

[lone turret]

i offspec fury as kyrian, its pretty nice

[fresh ruin]

im a little templted to do kyrian..

just because i like the armor more than NF

[stark sage]

go for it then, just because its not optimal doesnt mean its not viable

[fresh ruin]

do you treat that same as NF ability

[stark sage]

my war is kyrian

[fresh ruin]

or is there anything special it changes on the rotation for fury (or prot)

[stark sage]

its basically the same

[lone turret]

for fury cast reck, put it down and spam rampage

[languid flower]

define worth

oh damn, that was a long time ago

[uneven mason]

right

[sweet summit]

equivalent in value to the sum or item specified.

[unique cloak]

NF is real real strong, prot with NF can almost solo cc packs of casters in m+ @fresh ruin

[uneven mason]

certain packs

the cast has to be longer than 3s

to perfectly do it

[unique cloak]

Imo it's the best overall covenant for our specs, but kyrian is still pretty good.. I just don't find it as useful and the soulbinds are boring af

[uneven mason]

that being said, "Death is the best CC" and bursts like crazy

[unique cloak]

You can still shockwave in-between pulses of the knockdown but ya that's true if you only commit aftershock

[fresh ruin]

hrm.

[uneven mason]

some targets are not stunnable but the knockdown works is nice

But prot is strong enough at base that you don't need a covenant to do up to 15s no problem

[unique cloak]

True that

[uneven mason]

they're icing on a cake

[fresh ruin]

may just do NF then

as tank, would it be best to level in dungeons?

or questing (faster that is)

[stark sage]

yeah its very quick

you get like half a level or more per dungeon

[plush tendon]

Also, Kyrian Soulbinds are bleh

NF soulbinds

so you can easily have Niya for Fury Raid and Korayn for Prot M+

[stark sage]

only downside to NF is that its kinda stinky in pvp
but if you dont pvp then NF is gucii

[uneven mason]

Dreamweaver is ok in PVP

[fresh ruin]

i dont typically do pvp

[plush tendon]

Dreamweaver is cancer in PVP

[uneven mason]

😄

[fresh ruin]

not saying i wont, but generally i dont =p

[plush tendon]

but honestly play what you want, and youll be fine

[uneven mason]

I mean, they either have to use burst CDs on you, or let you heal to full while going after another target

[plush tendon]

and if you are going by Mog only, its obviously Necor or Venthyr

no one wants to be a tree or a lamppost

[uneven mason]

Necro mog

Necro is best mog

Venthyr has issues

[fresh ruin]

im using the BOD mog anywho.. at least once i can get the stupid pants to drop

[plush tendon]

Venthyr mog looks good on a Blood Elf

[uneven mason]

I use Orgrimmar grunt mog

I suppose if your character model dissappears when you turn sideways having awkward clunky crap sticking out allover doesn't hurt

[plush tendon]

and the 2h sword for Venthyr is on point

[uneven mason]

but its pink

I was like hell yah, black and red metal..wait... that isn't red

Its pinkishpurple

matches none of the previous Xpac red coloring

[supple fable]

i'm using the tree mog for my zandalari warrior now

i think it'd look good if it were "airtight"

i.e. if my stupid toes didn't stick out

:[

[uneven mason]

Plays a race that uses Night Elf Model, wears tree armor...closet Alliance ☑️

[supple fable]

i'm only horde because my best friend chose horde

and i had charcters on both factions

and just ended up playing horde ones more and more

as a result

[plush tendon]

I mean, we all have characters on both factions

[uneven mason]

If everyone who said that, played alliance, there wouldn't be a population discrepency

[supple fable]

i miss my gnomes :c

[lone turret]

nahh horde only!

[plush tendon]

but just cause I have like 10 Female Nelfs doesnt mean I play alliance

[uneven mason]

Know what I did when my friends picked alliance back in classic

I rolled an Orc rogue on their server

[supple fable]

Gnomes are the best race in the game

[uneven mason]

and ganked them

[supple fable]

and horde will forever be lesser for not having them

[uneven mason]

Chain ganked them

for hours

[supple fable]

tanking low keys as prot is weird

cause like

[uneven mason]

You don't take damage?

[supple fable]

i have no sense of when to use shield block

cause like when am i taking damage

[uneven mason]

You use SB when you can

to buff your SS Dmg

[supple fable]

ye to practice i've just been using all my charges

[uneven mason]

SB is a DPS gain.

[supple fable]

then spending everything on revenge

i think i had 70% uptime on shield block in the last dungeon i ran

which feels okay?

[uneven mason]

that is fine

[plush tendon]

basically in dungeons you want SB up as much as possible. When doing bosses, you want to SB when they are doing their boss ability on you, but never sit on two charges

[uneven mason]

in low keys

you want to use seismic and pump

[supple fable]

ye on trash i could keep high uptime just with repisal

[chilly brook]

It's definitely red

[supple fable]

making a leggo for low keys sounds dumb lol

but ye i am surprised how bad low key dps are

like i'm 190 and doing top dps with like 3k overall

[chilly brook]

That's red my guy

[plush tendon]

checks out

[plush tendon]

yea, low keys are bleh; the worst keys are 9s and 13s

basically dead keys

[supple fable]

i mean those are low enough you can still carry

with at least one other good player

[plush tendon]

you aint wrong

[supple fable]

and 13s are high enough that people still run those for gear to upgrade with valor

12-14 all drop 207s

[plush tendon]

Its about that weekly cache right

[uneven mason]

its a red that matches no other red in the game.

[supple fable]

ye but getting shit for valor upgrades is something people care about

[plush tendon]

why would I farm 13s for gear if I can farm 14s and get prog towards my box

[chilly brook]

It's still red

[supple fable]

and there aren't always 14+ options for the dungeon you want

especially if your'e a dps

so i don't usually have a problem hosting those keys as a tank

[plush tendon]

I probably need to pug more then; I so out of the loop of what puglife is like

[uneven mason]

Also I was talking specifically about the glows, the sword doesn't have a good red glow to it

it clashes with other reds

[plush tendon]

i literally log on, !keys in Gchat and we go

[uneven mason]

very ugly

[uneven mason]

You should never attempt to pug