protection

[chilly brook]

It is the World of WARCRAFT

[deep steppe]

World of WARcraft

[chilly brook]

You only say that because female pandas dont you

[vocal bison]

I plead the 5th, what I do on my own time is my own

[light thicket]

Yeah but i could accept a timeskip between some expansion

Like damn let this ppl enjoy a fucking victory for once

[uneven mason]

She was an adult in WC III before Anduin was born, Anduin is now in his early 20s, somehow Jaina dropped 10 years somewhere.

but yeah its the grey hair

throws people

[signal plover]

Magic bro

[stark sage]

pretty sure she was a teenager in wc3
like 16-18 right?

[light thicket]

Would say a little mor

[stark sage]

or did they retcon that

[uneven mason]

nah she had finished her training in Dalaran etc...

[light thicket]

Early 20s id guess

[stark sage]

she was a child prodigy i thought

like that was her whole deal

[signal plover]

She's like padme

If anduin is bananakin

[light thicket]

Wait

I thought arthas was anakin in that comparison

[stray gazelle]

pretty sureJaina was around 20's since arthas was around 30's

[plush tendon]

Shes got a different calender bro

[jolly spindle]

based

[hasty heath]

[Splintered Heart of Al'ar] any good?

[stark sage]

arthas died and became lich at 31, he was ~24 at the start of wc3

[jolly spindle]

since anduin rerolled dk

[plush tendon]

so.... was Arthas creeping on a teenager?

[jolly spindle]

maybe we can have like

garrosh warrior again

[light thicket]

I mean he went to northrend

[deep steppe]

idk what this means

[light thicket]

So pretty sure he wasnt a fan of sand

[signal plover]

Ok so jaina was 11 when she met arthas who was 12

[stark sage]

that's what i thought, but i think they either retconned her age or my beef brain is back
and she's supposed to be like a year younger

i thought he was like 6 years older

[signal plover]

They met in a chapel oooo la la

Wiki says 1 year diff

[plush tendon]

I hope someone at Blizzard has all this shit mapped out

[signal plover]

Oh damn even karl had hots for her

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[signal plover]

Lol

[uneven mason]

Like Beyoncé?

[signal plover]

Kael*

Kek

[light thicket]

Karl thas

[stark sage]

its also confusing that google says jaina is 36 and arthas is 42
but they're supposed to be one year apart

so idk

[signal plover]

#blizz

[uneven mason]

Sounds like fanboys

[light thicket]

The lord admirals calendar must be in imperial

[uneven mason]

be like "Nah if she hits 40 then she goes into Cougerland, can't have it"

[stark sage]

[uneven mason]

I figured it out, Jaina is only 1 year younger than Arthas, Arthas died at 37, thus, Jaina stopped aging.

[stark sage]

5head

[uneven mason]

big 🧠

[signal plover]

Huge

[mighty cairn]

how's mythic slg from a tank perspective after the nerfs

seems like mostly defensive management and some movement from a tank perspective right

is this a limit test reprisal fight?

[uneven mason]

its a reprisal fight for sure.

[mighty cairn]

ah nice

I wanted to jam it on sludge but too afraid of messing up the charge range and breaking chains lol

[sweet summit]

i think its close to impossible to break chains with charge on sludge now

[jagged pier]

it so ez tbh

[jolly spindle]

its possible

have one of the melee die to rubble

and u get chained to a hunter

100% mortality rate

[chilly brook]

Idk dude

I had chains break last night for literally no reason

Blood dk and I like 8 yards apart moving to the pillar

And it breaks

[signal plover]

Kaal does a lot of dmg (one tank manages her all of P1) with the bleed, but for us that's a VDH job. I spend most of the time gaming the shit out of reprisal slappin' adds. Grashaal hits like a baby. I actually also like ravager over itf on it (I do have 27% haste without itf tho). Closing in on final phase this week.

[uneven mason]

Universe condemned your use of charge when you have a literal slug as your co tank

either that or your slug co tank got jealous and juked just as you charged

"eat this fastboi!"

[mighty cairn]

nice thanks for the info! gl on prog

[uneven mason]

going to be glorious with my new co tank VDH

[mighty cairn]

yeah we just got sludge yesterday and starting slg prog tomorrow

[uneven mason]

2 fastboys

[mighty cairn]

thankfully we also have a vdh co tank for those effects

[fair mauve]

Hey tanktrinkets: Sanguine Vintage 220 or Inscrutable Quantum Device 223 or Blood Spattered Scale 213? witch two should i use ? The Vintage have i now at the weekly Chest.

[uneven mason]

vint and scale

IQD is a trap

since its not controlable at any given moment as to what it'll give you

and any trinket you have to play shenanigans to use properly isn't worth it.

[fair mauve]

thx a lot

[signal plover]

@mighty cairn SLG prog feels a lot smoother now with the changes. Most of the frustrating aspects are gone and the fight as a whole is much less punishing so pull to pull consistency is much better. Still a bit of a meh fight but if you have a stable roster it's not as bad as it was in the before time

Have fun with it

[mighty valley]

Try and get a non-use trinket to go with scale for m+

also IQD is pretty easy to optimize in m+ if you just use it on pull when everyone's healthy, it just gets really sketchy in fights that last longer than 3 mins

[uneven mason]

Yeah true

Like Tyrannical

3min bossfights ew

[distant crystal]

IQD is pretty much fire and forget in M+

[uneven mason]

you slap it on pull when Scale is on CD

so IQD cold be good

[distant crystal]

it's only certain raid fights, esp w/ a disc priest, where 2nd use gets dicey

[uneven mason]

for DPS is amazing

getting a big vers buff on pull

chonkers

[distant crystal]

p sure any dmg trinket is more dps tho

phial n such

but i guess IQD has that hybrid dmg/defense benefit

[mighty valley]

it's just inconsistent for burst windows... like, you want to use it on a sludge pillar, and it heals a rando. thx

[uneven mason]

PHail is end all be all of trinkets

screw defense

just murder it

Yeah using it on 3rd pillar sludge

like "can everyone plz not be almost dead when I click this"

[mighty valley]

ordering your healers to coordinate CDs to make sure you get your stat proc

[uneven mason]

😄

I mean

healers should be coordinating CDs around pillars anyway

mine always seem surprised when he hits that 3rd pillar at below 30% and is like "why'd all the alt carries die?"

[mighty valley]

eh, they were probably gonna break chains anyway

[distant crystal]

@mighty valley you just press it before he slams pillar

ezpz

[mighty valley]

god, last time I offspec'd dps for sludge, I realized on pull that I had skulker's wing equipped, AND macro'd into reck

[distant crystal]

duration is long enough that it'll still fully cover pillar

[mighty valley]

it all worked out, but scary times

yeah if everyone gets topped off and no one happens to be stunned, it lines up pretty well for on pull + 3rd pillar... or 1st + 4th if healers are keeping up with enrage

hmm, on 4th you'd get execute for sure though

[distant crystal]

it only un-stuns yourself

and you can avoid execute with /cleartarget /use 14 /targetlasttarget

BUT...the execute would probably be more dmg w/ pillar amp on prot warr

[haughty token]

So if I'm 194 ilvl and my friends are around 170-190 what should we be able to clear up to for mythic+?

I'm trying to see if I'm fcking up. On a similar note, how can I tell if I'm fcking up?

I know dying is the most obvious...but what other indicators can i use

[distant crystal]

it's really waaaay less trap than ppl think, and that it used to be

[mighty valley]

oh cool, new tech

[distant crystal]

yoinked from my boomkin swifty macro

ca, notarget IQD, potion, convoke

pewpew

[mighty valley]

blaow

[distant crystal]

@haughty token you can look at your %blocked on melees

[solemn magnet]

Should be able to do 10s at 194. For average people at 170, I'd say 5-7 most likely

[distant crystal]

strive to get that as high as you can by using your various shield block tools smartly

[mighty valley]

yeah it's just about how well you all know the dungeons, just take one of your fresh keys and run it up until it gets hard and try and figure out what's going wrong

[uneven mason]

194 can easy tank a 10, depends really how coordinated your team is

Its not "lets have the tank carry us all the way"

[mighty valley]

at the start of the expansion it felt like a slog to clear a 10 for the vault, now we cruise through them on relatively fresh alts

[uneven mason]

like it had been in previous Xpacs, pushing keys beyond your ilvl is a ton about how you handle mechanics your faced with and how good your DPS is.
Both at throughput and at Interrupting/stunning to reduce damage the party takes.

Basically the more you know, the better you'll do

If you're dying, don't just assume "Oh I pressed buttons wrong"

[gloomy cradle]

mechanics > dps

[uneven mason]

but see what killed you - interruptable cast - DPS should be kicking those

[gloomy cradle]

granted bad dps means more mechanics

[uneven mason]

I Mean in general good DPS are the ones who are kicking casts, stunning mobs, snaring shit so you can regroup...not the one pumping 8k and tunneling so hard like they're playing telescope with a papertowel roll

Its ok to rage on your DPS when a shadowcore goes off

[chilly brook]

See that's the funny thing I didnt charge

We moved out for his second stomp

Started moving to pillar and suddenly it snapped

[uneven mason]

😱

feels like a server desync issue

like when Sire decided he was going to just teleport while I was meleeing him 3x

[mossy sluice]

nothin personal mawwalker

m'walker

[hoary light]

guys, i'm quite new to this discord so hello to everyone. What do you think about Hymnal of the path? Is it good or just trash because of low itemlevel (i got it 194)? https://www.wowhead.com/item=184840/hymnal-of-the-path?bonus=6935

[jagged pier]

it insane

[polar hamlet]

Its goooood

[jagged pier]

194 is better than 226 decanter

[remote hawk]

Stupidly strong tbh

[jagged pier]

in terms of damage

[polar hamlet]

Got a 203 on bear

Its insane

[uneven mason]

I feel like they're going to leave it strong since its mega RNG

to obtain one.

[jagged pier]

probably

[uneven mason]

more than loot has been this Xpac

[remote hawk]

U need yo get it in a calling for it to je 203 right ?

[uneven mason]

yes

[jagged pier]

yes

[polar hamlet]

Yrp

[jagged pier]

194 its still busted tho

[remote hawk]

Ye got mine few days ago at 194

[jagged pier]

3.25% in the mists 16 i ran today

[hoary light]

so the trinket combo could be hymanl and then al'ar (for cheat)? i feel like al'ar is good but if you don't proc it, its a waste and even if it procs could be a waste anyway. Better hymanl + blood spatteled scale?

[jagged pier]

of my total damage to clarify

[inland raft]

Always scale

[jagged pier]

no al'ar is only good if your pushing 24s

[inland raft]

Second trinket is content dependent

[jagged pier]

it hynmal and phial

or hynmals and scale

[inland raft]

Alar is good anytime you dont feel safe

Doesnt necessarily have to be 24s

[uneven mason]

"Al`ar - For those 'I need an adult' moments."

[hoary light]

oh well, i understand

thank you guys

[gloomy cradle]

how does it actually perform compared to other trinkets though? 3.25% of your damage but you're also losing 65-80 main stat

[light quartz]

Hey guys. For mythic plus only. Would you rather have 20.97% Haste + 11.57% Versa or 16.06% Haste + 15.27% versa?

[uneven mason]

don't think about stat %

just ilvl

[gloomy cradle]

the former all else being equal

[light quartz]

its on a ring. There 220 vs 226. Shouldn't matter much item level

[uneven mason]

feels like its splitting hairs, but 20% haste will feel "better"

so my Feelycraft calculations is stick with the haste there?

[deep steppe]

also depends on the lvl of key

if you're doing 25s the vers is more important

[gloomy cradle]

this

[light quartz]

Cheers 😄

[uneven mason]

but yeah when you're in obscene high keys, vers become important

since you have to shave dmg % more than worry about DPS

[jagged pier]

in terms of dps its better than alot of thing, in terms of defensive its 85 vers and ppl seem to care about vers % 🤷 i run phial/ decanter or hynmal in like 17s and below 18s and up is scale and phial

[gloomy cradle]

well just because hymnal is a higher % of your overall than say decanter, it doesn't mean that you're total dps output is higher. more than likely its lower because you're dropping a significant portion of main stat.

a sim would probably give a better answer - i haven't looked, so this is just speculation

[tidal quarry]

187 hymnal vs 223 Phial of putrifaction?

Hymnal that good ye?

[solemn magnet]

No

[gloomy cradle]

i dont imagine that to be the case

[tidal quarry]

Ach well.

finally got one though!

[gloomy cradle]

still a decent trinket

[tidal quarry]

yeah

just seems i got more decent ones.

[solemn magnet]

Now 203 hymnal 🤔

[tidal quarry]

Thought 226 scale + Hymnal would be juicy.

[gloomy cradle]

dont say 226 scale in here

[tidal quarry]

Sorry.

I didn't mean to trigger anyone.

[gloomy cradle]

dont put that evil on us

[solemn magnet]

I prayed for a 226 trinket and I got one :(

[jagged pier]

its not bad for ST damage

[jagged pier]

in overall damage from dungeons mine is high with hynmal

[brazen surge]

Guys, I am having a bit of issues feeling comfortable tanking on my warrior. I have watched Pika's guide but man, I just do not feel like I have a solid rotation setup. Do any of you know a good video that lays out our rotation both for single target and multi? I am a visual learner so just reading icyveins does not help me much.

[solemn magnet]

Then play the game xD

[jagged pier]

plka making a rotation video is he not?

[brazen surge]

@jagged pier is he? That would be a blessing.

[gloomy cradle]

revenge revenge revenge

[solemn magnet]

There's not really a rotation

[jagged pier]

i believe so

hes mentioned it before

he said he couldnt fit it into his guide

[strong forum]

Rotation is a prio list

[solemn magnet]

Press stuff that comes off CD, make sure you SB when taking physical damage,revenge all other timds

[remote hawk]

U did better then me

[fresh belfry]

this is so awkward can we increase the popoulation?

[sweet summit]

do more damage and get cooler color 😎

[jagged pier]

^^

[chilly brook]

What boss?

[solemn magnet]

I was legit expecting to get that one.

[remote hawk]

Was super excited for 1.5 secs then sad. Tho got 226 girdel of the soulflayer instead so was quite happy still

[fresh belfry]

dennis

[chilly brook]

Mythic?

[lime urchin]

3rd scale in a row bois. sowwy :-((

[fresh belfry]

i think heroic has more than 100 public logs

[jagged pier]

meh i have scale

[lime urchin]

le big question for me is, do I upgrade cloak or grab some stygia 😮

[remote hawk]

203 scale is enough

[chilly brook]

Hopefully mythic donny soon

[ionic nimbus]

imagine, getting Scale, Pog-Weapon and Pog-Cloak in one Vault 😄

[chilly brook]

SLG prog starts on Thursday

[lime urchin]

yes, it feels bad that none of these are real upgrades. if only I could sprankle some luck-o-mine on some of yall

[gloomy cradle]

i've done >10 keys across 3 tanks since launch and haven't seen one..

but 220 is more than fine..

[jagged pier]

theres like no difference between 220 and 226 scale

[mighty valley]

it helps number go up

what is more important than that?

[cyan shore]

Are the stat priorities in the guides up to date?

[sweet summit]

if they say ilvl>haste>vers>crit>=mastery then yeah

[cyan shore]

So crit and mastery are the worst

Awesome, thanks 🙂

[fresh belfry]

there should be more emphasis on ilvl>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[cyan shore]

Yeah that's the general consensus for all specs

[jagged pier]

i mean worst is also not really the right word all thos secondaries apart from haste are pretty much equal

[cyan shore]

But I'm jsut trying to figure my rings out, if there's a 3 or 6 ilvl difference between rings, you're generally better off getting the ones with the BiS stats

[sweet summit]

take the one with better stats then yeah

[cyan shore]

and what to slap on my reprisal

[sweet summit]

rings/necks/trinkets dont really follow the ilvl>all thing

[cyan shore]

Seems like Haste Vers

[sweet summit]

haste vers

[cyan shore]

Is there a break point for haste? or is it stack as much as you can?

[sweet summit]

no reachable breakpoint for any stat

[cyan shore]

Ok let me rephrase, any big milestone

[sweet summit]

no

[cyan shore]

For e.g. 20% haste is an extra GCD in your colossus smash window in Arms

Cool, thanks for al lthe info

[lime urchin]

oh dear, this may kick me out of the warrior discord..

I only just found out revenge does not need to be targeted..

while running around mah Oribos laps..

[sterile moss]

you must have booming voice

[elfin surge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XCWtLgvQf3VHPndk#fight=2&type=summary Here I found someone else logged for me, what am I looking at in here as prot war ? really appreciate any help guys. thanks!

[jagged pier]

this is bad

SB management is very bad

Sheild slam casts mabye a tad low

[plush tendon]

theres a lot to unpack on this one my dude

you used last stand 8 times, and you are running bolster

plus reprisal

[jagged pier]

im raiding so i only had a quick look

but with bolster and repirsal i would expect to see like 90+%

[plush tendon]

58% block with all of that is terribad

[strong forum]

yeah intervene, SB and SS casts are very low

[elfin surge]

how do i get to this myself tho ?

[lofty widget]

considering youre playing double time your charge casts are also kind of low

[strong forum]

you also only used Last Stand 8 times in a 33min dungeon

so picking bolster is actively hurting you

since you barely use it

[jagged pier]

ITF in a dungeon as well 0.0

[strong forum]

and u used WW

like twice

[jagged pier]

6 casts of shield wall in 33 mins

and 16 intervene as well

both really low

[strong forum]

just press your buttons

[jagged pier]

AHHHH yer

[strong forum]

youre not using your buttons enough

[jagged pier]

WW 6 times

u dont need to press that

[elfin surge]

god dammit my face on on the buttons

[strong forum]

remove WW from bars

[elfin surge]

but how do i look at this, where is this goldmine ?

[strong forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XCWtLgvQf3VHPndk#fight=2&type=casts&source=60

[plush tendon]

do you track SB?

[strong forum]

for example, i did a NW 15 2 weeks ago

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CY8XnTcjFmZJdp4r#fight=1&type=casts&source=3

i did 66cpm

you did 53cpm

granted i didnt play perfect there by a long shot

[elfin surge]

CPM is like casts per min?

[strong forum]

yes

we both gained the same amount of rage, however my dungeon was 8 minutes shorter than yours

and i almost doubled your Damage and HPS

with comparing your casts to mine you will get a rough idea of where you need to improve a bit

[elfin surge]

yeh

im already bit stunned but in a good way, learning, thank you

[waxen cradle]

lmao just had a ret pally get pissed at me, he wanted me to pull big, and I was but as I was pulling the first 3 packs in HoA I guess he thought once I pulled the first pack and was gathering the other 2 he could just pop all cds and go nuts. He instantly talked shit about aggro, I was like man you want me to pull 3 seperate packs in 3 locations and think that after I have pulled 1 pack you can pop cds and go nuts ?

[strong forum]

(not to mention that ret pally is capped to 5 targets LMAO)

[waxen cradle]

lol exactly

[strong forum]

PULL BIG || but only 5 ||

[plush tendon]

Also, talent build and conduits could be better. I would drop the 'Show of Force' and the 'Brutal Vitality' and grab 'Unnerving Force' and 'Stalwart Guardian'

[strong forum]

yeah absolutely, you want to run Unnerving Focus and Stalwart Guardian 100%

especially if youre running Bolster, Unnerving is HUGE

[plush tendon]

drop into the fray for ravager for M+ and when you feel ready, especially with reprisal, take Anger Management over Bolster

[jagged pier]

wait hes not running necro potency?

[plush tendon]

he is

double potency

[strong forum]

no he is

[jagged pier]

i mean SoF is fine

[strong forum]

SoF is fine for dungies ye

[jagged pier]

^^

[strong forum]

but i have no clue about Necro Bindings

[plush tendon]

its nice with Emeni

[jagged pier]

emenim

[strong forum]

anemumenme

[plush tendon]

10% strength+15% strength on banner use

[jagged pier]

thats all i know

[strong forum]

ye thats all i know too

[plush tendon]

but still, brutal vitality isnt a great option as your 1 endurance

[jagged pier]

^^

[strong forum]

chad vulpera

[jagged pier]

ew

[strong forum]

vs virgin fleshcraft

[plush tendon]

dont diss on me fleshcraft 😦

[strong forum]

[modern brook]

and then they kissed

[plush tendon]

But i think the suggestion overall is to press your CDs more, proc reprisal more often with intervene and charge, and get that SB uptime up

[strong forum]

press dose buttons

simple as

[plush tendon]

and press shield slam on CD

uber importanta

[elfin surge]

I've weak auras to try and track both charges SR Block and IP but yeh SS I need to cover better too. Everyones help here is amazing - thank you all!

[jagged pier]

i think ill throw together a quick video on how to read logs like the big 3 things to look for in a log to help people out

[young oasis]

For Prot Warrior only? Would be amazing.

[jagged pier]

yer it will be

i dont have time for anything else

[ocean sluice]

new to spec, from bdk, does ignore pain stack?

[jagged pier]

twice

but its not our main mitigation

and shouldnt be prio'd

unless your only taking magic damage

[ocean sluice]

Ok thanks!

[jagged pier]

you want to have shield block up as much as possible in dungeons generally

so also prio SB over IP like 99% of the time

[plush tendon]

yea, dont be overzealous on the Ignore Pain usage

more ignore pain means less revenge

less revenge means less damage, less damage means lower meters, lower meters means people laugh at you

[light thicket]

And if ppl laughs at you youre gonna have to fuck up their keys in revenge

[plush tendon]

but also, people laugh even harder at you if you eat shit

soooo

[light thicket]

Conclusion: ppl suck

[atomic schooner]

Especially girls

[sweet summit]

[somber silo]

hi, can someone maybe help me with the right sounbounds and conduits as NF protection mythic? first time gonna tank since switched to NF

[plush tendon]

This Mythic Plus?

[somber silo]

ye sorry! mythic dungeons,

[plush tendon]

and do you like big damage?

[somber silo]

220ilevel as offspec, just wanne help my friends with like 12+ keys

[fresh belfry]

1. did you demo shout while sludgefist was stunned on pillar?
2. did you spend any rage on shieldblock during execute?
3. Did you use GCDs for thunder clap that coulve been revenges

[atomic schooner]

OmegaLUL just go in the key and faceroll

[somber silo]

well, my build is fine i think, devastator / double time / best server (got the legendary) crackling, indom / ravager and AM,

[sweet summit]

i just look at blocked hits, cooldown/ability casts, rage overcapped, talents/soulbinds

can probably make a copy pasta for it 🤔

[somber silo]

allruight thx!

[sweet summit]

ya thats good

[plush tendon]

hes ready to pump

[atomic schooner]

What you're using for blocked text

[sweet summit]

be the biggest pumper

[plush tendon]

oooo babi

[sweet summit]

you -> damage taken -> mouseover melee "hits"

[plush tendon]

thats some nice block right there

[sweet summit]

[atomic schooner]

Thought you're talking about combat text

[sweet summit]

oh nah talking about reading logs

[atomic schooner]

I'm looking for a decent combat text for blocks

[plush tendon]

do people read combat text?

[sweet summit]

imo thats just screen clutter

dont need

dont look at it anyway

[plush tendon]

I like seeing the damage numbers

[jagged pier]

yes so do I but people are visual learners apprently

[plush tendon]

other then that.... meh

[atomic schooner]

I want to see my blocks

[jagged pier]

isnt that just in advanced comabt text?

[atomic schooner]

Don't feel my mitigation

[plush tendon]

dont worry, your healer can feel it if you are blocking or eating it raw

[atomic schooner]

I'm playing 5 tanks and I don't feel the blocks. That sucks

[plush tendon]

I just think its unimportant information, but if you want it, you can probably enable it in the basic wow interface or in combat text add-on

[atomic schooner]

I don't say I'm dying or so. I'm fine, did my first 15th in 190ish. I just don't feel my gameplay

And msbt sucks btw

[sweet summit]

have you tried nameplate SCT

[atomic schooner]

Currently

It's still about output dmg

Not taken/mitigated

[sweet summit]

this?

ive never enabled it so idk how it looks

the personal SCT

[uneven mason]

That is the point of block

You don't feel when you block

you feel it when you DON'T

But our base armor is so high that really the only thing we do feel fully is spells

[atomic schooner]

Oh, I'll try

[ebon hound]

I made a WA that makes a gunshot noise when I block

[uneven mason]

That's going to get annoying on big pulls

RATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATA

[lofty widget]

can you link that?!

[sweet summit]

that WA would make me not use SB tbh

[sturdy sable]

I've gotta see how bad it is lmao

[manic haven]

how do I tank stavros?

I drop so quick against him @209

[uneven mason]

what difficulty?

[manic haven]

heroic

[uneven mason]

Uh

[sweet summit]

you do a quick 180 after he TPs behind u and block the dash ez clap

[sturdy sable]

Block harder

[uneven mason]

🛡️

[manic haven]

so thats all i can do?

[uneven mason]

use Demo shout + IP for the 3rd stack

[manic haven]

aight

[uneven mason]

if you really need it

[distant crystal]

lol no spinning doesn't do anything for it just swap on 2 stacks

[uneven mason]

3 stacks if you're doing him 2nd

IDK I never had an issue with Stavros

Niklaus is the truck

[uneven mason]

TFW he ports mid spin and plows through the entire raid

[sweet summit]

sounds like a healer problem tbh

[uneven mason]

Not saying it happened to me

But its quite funny

to think about

since he moves in the direciton you face

so you can aim him

at that one annoying DK who is always out of position

just saying

[distant crystal]

Don't be that guy that runs out to keep the dash from clapping ppl

[sweet summit]

hate that guy

[distant crystal]

just literally turn your char a bit to make him go where you want

[uneven mason]

got logs?

[deep steppe]

is this the proper response lads?

[sweet summit]

cock

[deep steppe]

[manic haven]

idk i only have one kill logged on him and i dont have my wipe logs

[uneven mason]

kaaaaay

[manic haven]

i just found it extremely easy with my monk while my warrior feels loke paper in comparison

[uneven mason]

pressing buttons is hard, wanted to see logs

so I can tell if you're blocking

because I think I was like 190ish

and Stavros is a joke

[signal plover]

I mean you can't block a back hit (unless u do the try hard shit erga said) so it's other defensives or prep for the damage

Or just like

Swap correctly

[uneven mason]

☝️

[distant crystal]

i don't think you can block the stavros hit at all

[uneven mason]

you can

[signal plover]

You can

[uneven mason]

its not worth the effort

[signal plover]

But it's dumb to try imo

[uneven mason]

and chance that you'll truck your raid with him

"STAV DO KEN!" *laughs at all the dead cloth

[manic haven]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/axvWQbBFL74JXZkV#fight=36&type=damage-done i guess you can take a look at that one

i was ilvl 200 during that

[distant crystal]

huh, sure enough

i tried spinning with spikes on my dh in early hc pulls lookin for that parry

to no avail

[sweet summit]

can u parry it?

[distant crystal]

not in my limited testing :p

[uneven mason]

Tell your DPS to get their heads out of their asses and interrupt.

[manic haven]

cant its a pug

[uneven mason]

oh

ugh

still preemptively tell them to interrupt

scream it

until you're blue in the face

[manic haven]

lol

[jagged pier]

which warrior are u?

[uneven mason]

Also looks like you're setup kinda floppy

Vee ism y guess

[manic haven]

Vee

set up?

[uneven mason]

DPS were getting hit by lunge

this should never happen

ever

[jagged pier]

tell the krazy to take hit head out of his arse 70% hit

[manic haven]

its a pug

they go everywhere

[uneven mason]

Well, can't help ya much there

but I don't see a huge issue with how your tanking Stavros

[manic haven]

yea its mostly my survivability that im worried about

wasn't sure whether i was doing something wrong

[uneven mason]

outside just use DS and IP for the 3rd lunge

[manic haven]

because my monk does it so easily but my warrior drops hard

[uneven mason]

yeah you need to use some mitigation

[signal plover]

It's a good monk fight

[uneven mason]

Monks have button free tanking

"Oh red stagger, purify, DONE for 12 SECONDS"

[manic haven]

yea i was pretty new to warrior then

ive improved a bit since

[uneven mason]

So Stavros, when 3 stacks come up, use a cooldown

however since you'll likely burn through him fast

you'll wanna save SW for spikes

so just demo shout and IP it

[manic haven]

gotcha

[uneven mason]

use an absorb trinket if you really wanna cancel it out

BSS is great for counci

many targets to get that big absorb

[manic haven]

wish i can farm for it but im in my last semester of college so im kinda busy >.<

[signal plover]

Kek college

[uneven mason]

yeah, you and me both

I mean I've been farming for it

but

thus far it hates my warrior

BDK and Guardian have it

running 223 meathook and 220 Sanguine, because why not

[short kiln]

I've been playing with my PW for a solid 3 weeks now. In that time, I went from being too defensive and wasting rage on SBs and IPs instead of Damage, and now have over corrected to the point where I'm pumping too much rage into revenge and getting caught unprotected which has me panic mashing my other cd's to stay alive.

There's a delicate balance here I guess. Knowing when to pump and when not to. I have been tanking in raid pretty easily with PW but its in the M+ scenarios that I get punished badly.

Without logs to give you, I'm not asking for specifics, but any general guidance is welcome

[torn stump]

always pump, blame healer when dead

[lavish token]

Shield block is never a waste. Always go for maximum shield block uptime.

[ionic fern]

There's a pretty simple rule.
Keep SB up as your nr1 priority when taking blockable damage and always keep enough rage to cast a SB when you have charges.

Do what ever with the rest of the rage.

🙂

[torn stump]

the only time you really want to dump rage like crazy into IP

is like

on huge caster packs in a shitty pug group that you know will fail to int

[short kiln]

It's the second part of that which I need to be more mindful of @ionic fern

[torn stump]

so like the second pull in DOS, if you feel like your dps are sloppy with their ints

[short kiln]

Thats great advice too.

[torn stump]

mash IP

[short kiln]

I think the other thing I need to watch for is my position. Can't block stuff from the back. Lol

[torn stump]

so alot of the time your instinct is to charge the biggest prio target

instead

[short kiln]

Most of my trouble definitely comes in from magical packs

[torn stump]

throw ravager towards the back of the pack, and charge the closest target

[lavish token]

another good rule of thumb is to use demo shout on cooldown

[torn stump]

that will mitigate some of the positional problems on pull if you're getting hit in the back grouping things up

[short kiln]

Solid! I'll try that. I have been using demo on cd, but admittedly I could be more diligent with avatar and SW

[lavish token]

Prot warrior has a bunch of cooldowns so make sure to cycle through them all.

[short kiln]

I have a week vacation on Monday and I'm going to just mono dungeon until I get it right.

Record all gameplay and watch after

I have been watching as many good PW streams as I can find.

[torn stump]

DOS is actually a great dungeon to train in, it has a nice mix of danger zone caster packs and massive pull melee packs

[short kiln]

So I have an idea objectively what good looks like

[torn stump]

and you have to farm it anyway for scale

[cyan shore]

Anyone in particular you recommend?

[short kiln]

It's just hard to stay that objective in the moment

[torn stump]

someone summon Plka for this man

[short kiln]

I've been watching @patent osprey @jagged pier vids for sure

But Robin has been playing a bunch of PW too lately and that's been also helpful

[torn stump]

mods is there a way we can get a Plka emoji that also pings him at the same time

for maximum troll

[short kiln]

I find that Spires, DoS and Mists have been really good ones for me with PF and Halls being generally tougher. Wake has been ok also.

Top is hit or miss and SD is like it's own hell

Actually... It's just Torvold. Lol

[jagged pier]

u can like SR everything on tor tho

[short kiln]

Yeah... I'm mechanically weak in that fight I am sure.

(at least I'm self aware)

[lavish token]

Knowing you can get better is the first step in getting better.

[short kiln]

I would legit be interested in some real coaching if I could find someone who was willing to help me. I have only started wow since July and I'm at the point where I know I need help breaking through my skill ceiling

[woeful trellis]

seismic on head?

[torn stump]

seismic on head is going to be so hot with reprisal when 2 leggos

[short kiln]

God two leggos is going to be insanely great for PW

Reprisal and Wall for raids? Muhuhahahahahaha

[boreal merlin]

Is it confirmed there will be a point we can get 2 LEGO’s?

[torn stump]

its not confirmed just expected

its been hinted at as an eventuality

[sullen valve]

@ionic fern love you bb <3

[patent osprey]

I was PINGED

[ionic fern]

[patent osprey]

Hello Skyhold! Why have I been summoned

[torn stump]

we want a Plka emoji that pings you

[short kiln]

Cause we love your content

[torn stump]

so we can summon you

[patent osprey]

❤️

[short kiln]

And I was sharing the gospel of it.

Lol

I just wish you'd stream in a happier time for us on East Coast time

[torn stump]

altho i dont know if discord has functions you can tie to emojies

[patent osprey]

I wish I didn't have to work too 😦

[ionic fern]

Same.

[sullen valve]

Rather upsetting I can't post custom non skyhold emotes in here

[torn stump]

@ionic fern i just realized you don't have a mowhawk, your profile pic has been deceiving me this entire time

[ionic fern]

Who says i don't?

👀

[torn stump]

that ceiling beam can go to hell

[sullen valve]

What ceiling beam?

All I see is his mohawk

[torn stump]

SAME

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-t-ba-baracus-shut-up-fool-silence-gif-8052567

[sullen valve]

Feels like you were trying to spread fake news

[torn stump]

called out

[ionic fern]

😦

I gotta rename you again @sullen valve 😦

[sullen valve]

L:(

[ionic fern]

You're no longer lyzer. 😦

[sullen valve]

I'm not the analyzer anymore

Analyzer is ded

[ionic fern]

$rename @sullen valve Abeweaver

IS THE BOT

DED

Smh

[sullen valve]

$rename @ionic fern dreamboat

What is a bot to an abealyzer

[ionic fern]

True.

[floral pewter]

so far this week, my key has gone NW > ToP > NW > ToP again

I'd complain, but I need a shield upgrade anyway, so...

[woeful trellis]

seismic with krit tempo? 😄

[strong forum]

Sure

[woeful trellis]

i cant decide mates

[strong forum]

Mad pad

Max pad

I made my reprisal with crit haste

Soooo, yuh

[woeful trellis]

ty 😄

[waxen cradle]

made mine with crit/haste also because a little bit more damage in keys felt better than a little bit more survival in keys at the current time anyway

I do like crit also, not too much but still like it

May change my mind down the road but not right now

[honest plinth]

there is no reason to make it haste vers coz seismic is pad meme so ye crit haste

[honest plinth]

depends on key lvl ofc

also NF is better in terms of dmg if you want more

[patent osprey]

Seismic is BIS in high Mist keys imo

so I made it haste verse so I can use it in high keys

any key that doesn't seem to be tank buster focused, like mists, makes it very strong option

But being tankier does mean u can face tank longer which attributes to more revenge uptime which in turn could be more dps

[honest plinth]

it will be interesting to use reprisal with seismic if we will have 2 leggos option in future. but idk maybe thunderlord+reprisal will be bis. who knows

[sacred quarry]

Are you all running reprisal / seismic on tyrannical weeks too? I'm just getting into +19s (pugging) and not sure what legendary to wear this week

[honest plinth]

reprisal i too strong in terms of defence

also you are running AM with reprisal so your avatar uptime is rly nice. idk ❤️ this leggo 😄

the main question this week is 1st tier talent

[rocky wind]

Whatever gives you more revenge damage is the talent you take in the first row.

[opal salmon]

what do you guys use to analyze uptime of SB?

[uneven mason]

how sore my ass is after a dungeon

[sweet summit]

Warcraft logs

[mighty valley]

check % of hits that were blocked after logging

[honest plinth]

?

[sick sentinel]

Does revenge kill explosive if you are targeting it?

[sweet summit]

I dont think so

[sick sentinel]

I thought about speccing out of devastator and just binding devastate to scroll wheel

[trail estuary]

how do you go into big pulls as a warrior? im swtiching over from dh and everytime i try to grab a couple packs together, i start off the pack super low already and cant catch up with mitigation

[sweet summit]

Thats a solution if it becomes a problem

You use mitigation before getting hit

And dont get hit in the back

[trail estuary]

is there somewhere i can read up on whether you ignorepain vs shield block

[distant crystal]

don't leap in

charge in to a mob in front ezpz

[sweet summit]

Sb if taking blockable damage
IP if raking non blockable damage, or as a compliment to SB if taking heavy blockable damage. IP is also an off gcd rage spender

[distant crystal]

esp w/ reprisal

[trail estuary]

is blockable dmg just auto attacks?

[sweet summit]

Basically any physical hit can be assumed to be blockable

Pins have a "reflect guide", which includes block too for more specific info

[distant crystal]

some weird magical ones too

[sweet summit]

Cant remember a magic one off the top of my head 😔

[distant crystal]

jaina's autos just looked like frost right

but they were full phys?

[sweet summit]

Ye

Same with last boss nw

[honest plinth]

nw last bos

oh

[sweet summit]

If that was magic damage

Oh boy

Bye bye tank

[mighty valley]

I didn't know that was blockable for the first few weeks lol

I was trying to reflect it and everything

[torn stump]

3rd boss in DOS is probably the biggest flex SR in M+

not having to take the trampolines up is so satisfying

[mighty valley]

I wish we could justify reflecting the muehzala slams

but it's smarter to reflect soulcrusher

[sweet summit]

Kinda hope we get legion gloves or whatever

One extra charge to SR and SB

📈

[mighty valley]

oh lawd

[honest plinth]

deflect*

gimme bfa reflects pls

[sick sentinel]

4% SLG pull tonight FeelsBadMan

I really want this tier to end already

[sweet summit]

[sick sentinel]

we are 2 night so not that bad i guess.. .but big sadge

[sweet summit]

Soon, my friend

[sick sentinel]

[sweet summit]

[sick sentinel]

first time together, a lot of roster issues

would be so beautifull

[velvet sky]

How hard is it to switch specs from arms to protection? I got my first character to max lvl and I want to try out tank position now

[stray gazelle]

Anyone still running the wall for raiding? It’s been doing better than reprisal for me

[mossy sluice]

i still use the wall

[floral pewter]

if all your gear is for arms, you'll probably have too much crit and not enough haste, but that's not crippling

craft Reprisal for M+ or The Wall for raiding, and you're probably good to go

[sweet summit]

Ngl i just use reprisal on sludge and wall for rest i think

[hot oxide]

Can explosive be takin out with aoe spells?

[sweet summit]

depends on spell kinda

you can cleave off them with cleave abilities, but you cant cleave onto them or hit them with aoe spells

[fierce field]

yes, but you have to target the explosives

yeah that

[mighty valley]

as far as I can tell, stuff that doesn't care if you have a target doesn't hit them

like, i don't think revenge will kill one even if you're targeting

[hot oxide]

It’s dps prio right? Someone said i should TC 1.

I was like, don’t think you can

[sweet summit]

u cant

as pwarr u can aa/ss

[mighty valley]

healers should handle if they can, then tank if tank has aggro, then dps

[sweet summit]

or spec into punish/wm for devastate

[mighty valley]

you can also try stepping back to heroic throw

[sweet summit]

storm bolt them

[hot oxide]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

I tested out using devastate in a 9 just now. It definitely helps but my GCD's

[mighty valley]

it would take a lot to make me drop devastator at this point

[hushed zealot]

qq,
so we progressing through M-Sludgefist right now. and one of our tanks had to go for IRL stuff. I volunteered to switch to tank and our brewmaster says
"Prot warrior is legit worst for this fight"
how accurate is this. cause i feel like thats just wrong

[sweet summit]

LOL

nice meme

its arguably the best tank for that fight

[gentle oak]

Warrior is like the Best tank for sludge

[hushed zealot]

im not memeing sadly

[torn stump]

when the other tank would rather call the raid than tank with a prot war

big oof

[sweet summit]

if you have reprisal you can get 100% blocked hits, aka barely take damage

[hushed zealot]

multiple others said "warrior is good cause its all physical and you block"

which i mean duh

[sweet summit]

even when the boss "enrages"

[gentle oak]

I mained dh and switched to warrior because we didn't have a shout and its like sludgefist fists were made out of baloons

[hushed zealot]

yeah our DH went tank instead of me

and im just like ???

[sweet summit]

you also have the argument that warrior dps is by far the worst dps for sludge

🤷‍♂️

fury/arms i mean

[gentle oak]

Correct response. Tbh right now after the 10% buff to everything zi prefer to tank as a warrior. I deal more damage I take waaaay less damage

[hushed zealot]

like i have a 29% vers prot spec and its not like i never played it before
PLUS i just have to stand there next to him anyways

no taunt swaps no nothing

[fierce field]

only have experience with my brew, but really looking forward to finishing my war and taking a slap at it

[gentle oak]

And I was dh Main for the whole legion and shadowlands until like a month ago.

Remember that the tank that has aggo takes like 25% more damage

[sweet summit]

reprisal on sludge is actual dopamine

[autumn pendant]

Good

[sweet summit]

wait what

[sweet summit]

what

melee and giant fists hits for the same base amount

[gentle oak]

Idk where the bug is, but its always like this. We had close to 300 wipes in this damn boss and through all of this the tank with aggro gets demolished and the other tank Just chills

I noticed it in HC first raid night

Our prot pala was fine when I got the boss, she got annihilated when she had aggro

[hushed zealot]

okay thanks for confirming though. Cause i legit fail to see how prot warrior could remotely be considered "worst"

for that fight in particular

some other fights sure i can see it 100%
but sludge? the 100% physical damage boss?

[sweet summit]

i dont tank mythic so best i can do is link hc boost runs but idk where thats coming from

[floral pewter]

take meme-level understanding of tank balance from 9.0, let simmer for 6 months without paying attention, and bam - someone who thinks warriors are "still" bad in raid, when they never were in the first place

[gentle oak]

I have a Question, are there any prots actively playing venthyr? I want to get 40 renown on everything and its time for venthyr, but I've noticed since the 10% buff that I rarely use ignore pain, because passive healing is all I need.
The Main problem with venthyr was the lack of rage to spare on condemn but has the buff changed anything?

[sweet summit]

me!

[mighty valley]

also me

[sweet summit]

nah i just ignore condemn in aoe situations

[gentle oak]

Share your damn opinion then

[sweet summit]

and on ST u slap the fuck out of it whenever possible

you have tons of rage through ravager/reprisal/ss/the wall etc

[gentle oak]

And The damage, is it better than idk nf ability overall?

[mighty valley]

yep, I get plenty of condemn on bosses, rarely on trash

[sweet summit]

i very rarely feel rage starved

venthyr is better than NF on ST

[gentle oak]

ST only Question

[sweet summit]

as venthyr on ST you play the wall with BV and ravager

literally overflowing with rage 🤤

u can also play reprisal ofc

if u want to

👀

[gentle oak]

I am extremaly tempted to go AM as well

And Just dps the boss before it kills me

[sweet summit]

ofc u play am

i guess some bosses u go bolster 🤔

[gentle oak]

I found that the conduit that make last stand increase rage generation is like a mini offensive cd, since. Its 42% at my current ilvl

[sweet summit]

unnerving is yuge as venthyr

giga value

[gentle oak]

On mythic SLG i need. To tank both bosses for like a minute or more.

[autumn pendant]

Imma get proper shield and play Vampire boy tank again

[gentle oak]

So bolster is basically a must rn

[sweet summit]

if youre on boss on SLG, bolster is not a bad idea

[gentle oak]

But you've convinced me. I am going full twilight tomorrow

[sweet summit]

idk if its a great idea to swap if youre raiding tomorrow

cos youd need to regrind renown

[gentle oak]

After the raid. Next raid is sunday

[sweet summit]

solid

one last question

why swap now? what are you currently?

ok that was two questions

[gentle oak]

Kyrian. Got nf and necro at 40 already

[autumn pendant]

Enthusiast I see

[gentle oak]

And I want to play all covenants since it seems like we have real freedom to switch, not like dh tank

[autumn pendant]

At least you get to feel them all

[gentle oak]

Yup, I want to decide what feels the best and stick to. It. And if they decide to nerf or buff one im one Step ahead of blizzard

[sweet summit]

id do that but im lazy and venthyr owns

[torn stump]

venthyr has sweet vampire style

nothing else matters

[gentle oak]

Draven seems like a really strong Def pick

[torn stump]

draven is huge peen

[sweet summit]

until you realize he is useless in hard content

cos u just lose the last row buffs

and you play theotar with longer pot for dps and nadjia defensively

[autumn pendant]

Whole venthyr aesthethic is more pleasing than i expected at first

[gentle oak]

I mean the last row is stamina isnt it?

[topaz fable]

Anyone want to come do mythic progression attempts on Hungering Destroyer? XD

[sweet summit]

its stamina if you say still for 4 seconds and dont move

or strength above 50% hp

or 15% crit if you interrupt

which is pretty strong offensively

[gentle oak]

Doesnt it persist for few secs after moving?

[sweet summit]

ill log on and check

[gentle oak]

Stamina i mean

[sweet summit]

even then, stamina isnt very useful unless youre in danger of getting oneshot

[torn stump]

its 10% crit but ya its great

[gentle oak]

Yeah in raids it is, since all we want is effective HP

[gentle oak]

Nice. When you tank 2 bosses on SLG mythic I think I will like it then xD

[sweet summit]

id rather use this

or this

than draven

even on slg

[torn stump]

oh you guys are talking about raiding

gross

[sweet summit]

the bosses dont hit that hard, kaals bleed is the scary part

[gentle oak]

Sure thats why I really liked korayn from nf

Last. Row 15% less physical damage. But if you move you lose. It immidietely

Op if you can stand still but this is SLG, you need to move when you need that passive

[sturdy sable]

I'm running first strike on SLG

[sweet summit]

📈

[sturdy sable]

Doing like 4.3k trying to go higher

[balmy coral]

ROFL, wa sdoing +12 TOP, first boss, top dps was 4.1k, I did 3.7K, I said the group needs to pick it up. Second boss, I do 3.5k DPS (top DPS), ret pally rage quits because I wasn't using IP enough to help the healer. I never fell below 70%, an d only took 3x my entire hp in damage the entire fight. He took 40k less total damage than I did. I was "Spamming revenge too much"

[mighty valley]

i think the kids call that cope

[sweet summit]

copium

[sick sentinel]

so I'm unsure how to sim convent abilities

but what do you guys think does more single target damage

Night fae or kyr

[sweet summit]

night fae

but wait

ill blow ur mind

[sick sentinel]

just their base ability - minus soulbands and jazz

pls doe

do*

[languid flower]

kyr's damage isn't so good, but their big thing is they can cleanse stacks

[sweet summit]

top gear

[sick sentinel]

I think im blind

where did you find that? I'm on raidbots website under "top gear"

[sweet summit]

you need to paste your /simc thing

into the box

[sick sentinel]

oh oh

right duh

i thought it would be under sim options

oh nice

thats perfect

thanks!

[floral pewter]

A SHIELD HAS DROPPED

my key for this week has now gone NW-TOP-NW-TOP-NW

I wonder how long I can keep the chain going

[sweet summit]

[radiant ferry]

when you are necro and you pop banner do you need to stay by the people you want to give the buffs to or not

[sweet summit]

not

it snapshots the buff on cast

so just yeet and retreat

[radiant ferry]

pog ty

[plush tendon]

why is this ok Blizzard?

[floral pewter]

Yeah, buff prot warrior dps, you should be beating the healer ;)

[hot pasture]

This is why you don’t run with ret pallys 🤷‍♂️

[plush tendon]

thats a holy paladin

im also beating the healer

[hot pasture]

Looks normal to me besides the Sadge warlock

[balmy coral]

Or bad players all together.

[hot pasture]

Truth

[bronze epoch]

New to prot war, how are you folks managing spell reflect? I see there is a WA for it but it doesnt seem to have the greatest reviews.

[plush tendon]

I watch casts from nameplates and have a good idea at this point what I can and can’t reflect; if I see casts are off I’ll decide if a shockwave is better to try and reflect multiple spells or interrupt one and reflect the other

[floral pewter]

There's a pinned link to a spreadsheet of what abilities can be reflected, ideally you just learn the big ones by heart

Then the WA is just a helpful reminder

[bronze epoch]

Oh I forgot to mention, I only do m+ too. In case that changes opinions or answers.

[plush tendon]

The WA is alright, but I got enough crap on my screen at this point

[floral pewter]

Globrog stomp, Mordretha scythe, various others

[plush tendon]

Big reflect is the ethereal divers in spires

Get 5 of those bois casts synced for one juicy reflect (probably won’t get all 5, but you can get a good amount and it’s so worth)

[floral pewter]

Multireflects are the best

[bronze epoch]

I thought I only reflects one spell?

[floral pewter]

I used to have that down to a science on the caster packs in Magister's Terrace

[plush tendon]

If they all cast at the same time, you can get multiple in one

[bronze epoch]

Oh snap, so thatd work well with night fae ability

[plush tendon]

Night fae ability more or less stops casts

[floral pewter]

Not sure if it's still this way, but how it used to work is that the buff isn't consumed until something actually reflects

[plush tendon]

Shockwave tends to be more helpful

[bronze epoch]

Yea but when they restart they start at the same time

True true

[floral pewter]

But whether it will reflect is determined when the spell is cast

So for projectiles, there's a window between when it launches and when it hits

Anything else that goes off in between will also reflect

[bronze epoch]

O.O

Do you find it's generally on cd?

I find I'm trying to save mine for scary spells and then I find I'm may not be using it enough lol

[floral pewter]

Depends what you'd be holding it for

If you don't have something specific in mind you need to use it for, sure, probably worth using every time it's up

[bronze epoch]

Ok solid, ty for the info folks!!

[chilly brook]

Ret actually pumps though

[bitter ermine]

.... ya a good ret will destroy meters lol

[daring bay]

How much of a difference does it making being kyrian vs lets say venthyr?

is the diffrence kinda meh? or kinda big

[urban portal]

Venth is probably the worst for prot

[jagged pier]

depends on the content your doing

[daring bay]

+23s

[jagged pier]

i mean plka did that as venthyr, but its not very useful at all tbh in m+

as u dont use it in aoe

you get much more use out of NF or kyrain the higher the keys u go

[daring bay]

Ye, so i got a paladin aswell and either he goes venthyr and my warr goes kyrian

or vice versa

[jagged pier]

you want them both kyrain for tank im afraid, one because the tank class usually fills the kyrain slot in dungeons and it tend to not favour other classes and 2 because they are the best tank abilities for the class / kyrian pot

and at 23s filling the group slot and the kyrian pot are both fuking massive tbh

[daring bay]

Yeah, thanks for the answer. I think i prob knew that already but was just looking for justification on going venthyr :)

[solid cairn]

Why go venthyr when you can be Groot?

Kidding too much NF, just pick what you want

[jagged pier]

there isnt really any justification apart from they are the best looking covenant tbh

[daring bay]

I already got 2 NF cant handle a third

[jagged pier]

objectivly NF is our best for keys, but you loose pot which is huge at high key levels

[bitter ermine]

Kryian is arguably the most useless though in dungeons as far as special things go for the dung

in NW you have spears and other things

[jagged pier]

no they are always there

the golath buff is huge

[bitter ermine]

the stun is meh in spires is not amazing either

[jagged pier]

if used correctly

and the stun the spires is also huge

[bitter ermine]

but its not make or break a run

[jagged pier]

on high keys

[lime urchin]

The stun is huge!

[bitter ermine]

sure but you can easily play around it

[jagged pier]

i mean on a 24 fortifed key stunning the last angel before last boss is fuking huge

[bitter ermine]

okay how many here are doing 24's

.5%

1%

lol

[lime urchin]

:-((

[bitter ermine]

lets be real

[jagged pier]

i mean even in my 18s stunnig the pack before the 2nd boss

and the last angel are pretty big tbf

like the 2 biggest problems in the dungeon

completely nullified

[bitter ermine]

idk never struggled with it when no stun is available

not hard to cc if you need to

[jagged pier]

i didnt say i struggled i just said it was useful to nullify the 2 worst packs in the dungeon

[bitter ermine]

id be more worried for other cases though

NF for skips and pots

Venth for gargs and aoe in SD

all much much more needed and make or break in some cases

when you compare that to Kyrian you can see why I say its rather meh lol

[jagged pier]

okay sure but the guy was asking in cases of 23s

[bitter ermine]

ah

[jagged pier]

where having a kyrian does matter

[half lichen]

Looking for the next tier: Should I craft Reprisal on legs or boots? I do have access to stone legion mythic, but it's my 4th twink. For the next raid content legs should be better, right?

[stable kernel]

im pretty sure Legs is a safer option due to not knowing what will drop next tier

[half lichen]

Thinking the same thx

[flint cliff]

Unless you arent WF raider and willing to craft legendaries each tier complety new due to raid drops i recommend to always craft legendaries on the slot that gives more stats. That applies for all classes/legendaries.

[blazing condor]

Yall think splinter gonna be a pick for the next tier too?

[strong forum]

I don't think it's even a pick this tier

[jagged pier]

i feel like me and nome at the one 2 ppl who dont like the trinket

i swear

[sweet summit]

I dont have it either

[jagged pier]

okay thats 3 of use then

[sweet summit]

Had to trade away every single one ive looted

[jagged pier]

i havent even looted it

[sweet summit]

Not that id use it, but its nice to have just in cade

[honest plinth]

wut?

[honest plinth]

you dont use spear for this pack im pretty sure

[jagged pier]

yes you do

[honest plinth]

no you dont

[jagged pier]

well i do because its the worst pack

[honest plinth]

its not

you just cc all mobs and kill big boy

and with spear you are doing double pack pulls

[sweet summit]

You spear a double pack on 2nd platform i think?

[honest plinth]

yes

[jagged pier]

i never double pull that because i cba and ppl dont intuprt after the cc has worn off

i only pug