grats on the kill tho 
#protection
sweet summit
chilly brook
grats on the kill tho <:deswind:533073964096946176>
Thanks, super happy to be done with it lol
sweet summit
gl on slg :v)
unique shale
hmm
i want to race change from human any suggestion to what
i want to be either big or cute
unique shale
too fat
mossy peak
lady pandas are A- tier, gentleman pandas are D+ tier
torn stump
gentleman pandas are peak male
unique shale
torn stump
that belly jiggle when you run, huge manly roar, amazing leap animation
male panda = maximum war
unique shale
sweet summit
Dorf
shut summit
def dorf
frail talon
Hey if you're specced into ravager does it proc signet?
sweet summit
nope
mossy peak
nope
sweet summit
๐
mossy peak
ravager for prot isn't related to bladestorm
sweet summit
ok but dpgonzales, explain why it works with bonegrinder and not signet 
mossy peak
because blizzard has two people who design all the classes, one developer who plays the game
and zero who test it
sweet summit
torn stump
dont be silly, no devs play the game, that guy is an unpaid intern
mossy peak
let me clarify
that dev plays the game on a tablet
using their finger and click to move
torn stump
mac tablet
sweet summit
its worse in every way possible, but sure
tame jasper
i want to race change from human any suggestion to what
-> Horde > Tauren ๐
harsh valley
gimme clap build๐ก ๐ก ๐ก
empty spindle
jagged pier
sick sentinel
I got critized in a pug from not being necrolord because I needed to support the group ' DPS, that warriors are not meta and being a buffbot is their only redeeming quality.
I'm kyrian for easier kiting and additional healing from the pot.
Is this kind of criticism legit ?
Edit : for the record it was a dos 14 and we timed it with 2 warlocks. it was the healer bitching.
blissful root
@patent osprey - If you ever make a new In-Depth warrior guide. Can you go in to Offensive / Defensive cooldown uses. When to hold on to rage, when to dump it freely.
ST Rotation / AoE Rotation and stuff like that? I know it's pretty basic understanding but I think a lot of new / returning players would like that!
hollow silo
sweet summit
anime
unique shale
i thought that's suck cause makes you to stay under it
remote hawk
I never been bashed for my cov ever, Tho i've been bashed for beeing prot war since they are "bad" and ppl are clueless 
crisp dragon
226 Spare meet hook or just 750 stygyboys
Does spare meet hook have any use? I know its decent dps
sweet summit
does it sim higher than any other trinket you have on st?
sweet summit
ya
crisp dragon
Ive had 3 difficult vault decisions, jesus
visual drift
worth it? no haste on the shit-.-
lofty widget
probably worth it, generally more stats>better stats especially with that big ilvl difference
i would only choose the low ilvl one if the difference was 3-6 levels
visual drift
i'm at 24% haste
And i havn't get any haste item for weeks now and will drop more and more atm
unique shale
@visual drift what ilvl btw
visual drift
<@!212279490984935425> what ilvl btw
mine? i guess 215 equiped atm
unique shale
@visual drift this is for heart
This might seem like a bad trinket because it grants Stamina and literally dozens of healing per second. Okay, it is a bad trinket for those reasons -- but if you are struggling to live through a boss mechanic or some kind of burst damage, an extra boost of Stamina can be a literal lifesaver
if that doesn't convince you then go for neck
visual drift
i have scale at 223 and spike at 213 atm
visual drift
stoneheart at 226 but i only use the first two
jagged pier
well organ is also trash
unique shale
spike good ?!
jagged pier
its aight
visual drift
okay, also trinket. sadly
neck not trinket-.-
shit 23% and with the new neck i have only 18%-.-
mossy peak
you want more stats, doesnt really matter what they are
visual drift
but it is easier to generate rage with haste
jagged pier
tru but its not that big a difference
mossy peak
it's not like that one stat does something and the others do nothing
jagged pier
like if you play correctly u will have far more rage than u actually need
glacial swift
Does anyone know of a list of tank trinkets, ranked by best for defense and/or offence?
glacial swift
yes, "get" ๐ but i'm looking for a list so i can see how my current ones rank
sweet summit
scale and al'ar are the only two usable "tank trinkets"
the dps things you can sim with raidbots
glacial swift
cheers
jagged pier
i wouldnt even rate al'ar as useful
sweet summit
i would
jagged pier
unless u plan around dying
sweet summit
even then
jagged pier
and then dying again to reset the cd
mossy peak
you don't plan on dying, but the tank dying is often a guaranteed wipe, and if you're doing difficult content, you can sacrifice one item slot to just
wipe that fail state out completely
no, you don't use it on farm
but on prog or in high keys, absolutely
lofty widget
i would use it if your gear is "limiting" you
jagged pier
dont even have it
lofty widget
so yeah, in super high keys or mythic raid prog
surreal sinew
yeah for keys maybe, but you shouldn't need it for raiding
lofty widget
pretty much
vivid hull
I have bladedancerโs armour kit and IQD in my vault. Which would you recommend for prot? I currently have viscera and power crystal equipped. Ty!
sweet summit
polar radish
hm anima field emitter 226 or stone legion 220
sick sentinel
is it weird to despise an alt because its gotten so lucky with gear?
fresh belfry
hey guys I had mythic denathrius helm and trinket in my weekly chest
the question is
which shield looks good with the mythic xmog?
jagged pier
are we good? is that the move?
yes
obtuse marsh
i have scale 220, shield 207. its my alt i only do pug hc raid
lofty widget
shield
ebon hound
obtuse marsh
first time in my life i see scale 226 on 6 char, fuck this game
blazing condor
there really is no vers neck in the game besides the pvp one right?
or maybe one BoE
blazing condor
got that in 226
mental scarab
ionic fern
There's a crit/vers one.
zenith monolith
anyone here solo tanked Kaal at start , Mythic SLG fight and has some tips ? Do you save block for the hits or try to maintain uptime ? Trying to optimise my defensives.
strong forum
With reprisal you should have close to 100% uptime for all the time that you're tanking
So no need to save anything besides figure out how to use CDs for the bleed
tidal quarry
First Hymnal of the Path that I see and it's a 146 from my mission table...
solid cairn
i got that in my vault. I have a 203 weapon and a 213 shield. Should i take the shield?
solid cairn
ty
zenith monolith
So no need to save anything besides figure out how to use CDs for the bleed
Thanks. Hadn't even considered Reprisal for that fight, was running Wall. Will def try tomorrow.
jagged pier
So no need to save anything besides figure out how to use CDs for the bleed
what you mean 1 tank tanks the bleed for phase one and intermission
zenith monolith
Kaal does nothing to me tbh
Grash even
even with 2 stacks of Kaal bleed
Kaal is the one that hurts
surreal sinew
you can clear her debuff with phial right?
zenith monolith
no
zenith monolith
DH
surreal sinew
k never been kyrian
surreal sinew
thx
jagged pier
literally no brainer
zenith monolith
we are too far down progress now to change
second transition
I was just trying to optimise my shit
jagged pier
i mean so am i
but we always just did dh take kaal
as they literally are better for tanking her
because of wards
and the adds do fuck all to a prot warrior
zenith monolith
Guess we learned the hard way then, dont think its wise to change now
but will run it with reprisal, wasnt that bad tbh as Prot
granite atlas
Just did 1 key. Im not gonna touch m+ with a stick this week
jagged pier
thing is reprisals a lot better if your tanking the adds as you can charge around and stuff and stand max range on boss so u can charge it etc
granite atlas
looks easy this week no ?
Nope ๐ mby with a coordinated group but not with pugs
jagged pier
becuase most pugs will presume the tank will deal with explosives
you need to tell them you cant
because we can only SS them
if u have a proc
or melee
granite atlas
Mists was such a pain with the adds on the bosses
jagged pier
i just presume the dps didnt bother to deal
u need to tell them they have to do the explosives and should be ifne
lofty widget
Hey guys smbdy goot a great route for Plague ( +17/18 ) ?
https://wago.io/qQOwehTYz here's what i run usually, or this if you cant/wont skip first part https://wago.io/dqNvvyXPg
granite atlas
People with 1500 rio not pulling the adds to the boss and ignoring explosives, gotta love it
strong forum
1500 io King here ama
lofty widget
no i made those myself, dont know if he has something similar tho
jagged pier
no one likes my PF route as i go left after first boss
but it gives pride for the second boss
so they can all be quiet
ionic fern
You can go right and it will still give pride for 2nd boss. ๐
jagged pier
jagged pier
yer but u miss a partolly guy in first boss room which i dont like in tyran weeks
boreal path
is quantum device useful at all?
silent fog
i've used it for 2 months (no other trinket). It was only useful when i misplayed : stun or took big damages. So i used the trinket to break cc or top my hp
other than that, it's a pain in the ass to play with it
boreal path
aight thanks
mild jolt
d
jagged pier
strong forum
F
remote tusk
\o/
hoary crow
Any good route suggestions for halls of atonement?
torn stump
depends on the week and if you have skips avail
hoary crow
This week with tyrannical and pride on 1st 2 bosses was what I had in mind
torn stump
pride is kinda meh on first boss, its an execution/positioning boss
not a time check
you'll have lust for it as well
hoary crow
ok
torn stump
pride on 2nd and 3rd or 4th is where you really want it
hoary crow
aha ok that makes things a lot easier
i was opting to go for dratnos weekly route but it seemed way too pug-unfriendly lol
torn stump
yeah alot of those routes are great in organized groups
but they fall apart in pugs
because pug things
jagged pier
you dont need pride on the 3rd boss it does nothing
can easily get it on 1,2 and last
sick sentinel
but they fall apart in pugs
Yeah I confirm everytime I try to use dratnos routes, someone will make it fail. Mostly because they "expect" certain routes and rush ahead of the tank and aggro something. Or downright pull what they think is right. All the while saying "your route sucks". Pugs...
polar hamlet
^^
torn stump
for HoA i only use one route with pride on all three shards then 2nd and 4th boss
but im not doing like, super high keys either
sick sentinel
I have the trinket 220 and the 213 shoulder pads that I choose
https://gyazo.com/06987e6bb454c698591be7340574f088
steep wraith
You can get shoulders from a drop. You can't get scale 226 anywhere except chest.
So even if it's not the best to take trinket immediately, long term it's probably the right choice.
inland raft
Trinket for sure
Raid gear outside weapon/shield is usually not the answer from vault unless no other good choice
sick sentinel
okey thx bros
jagged pier
i mean as said above theres like no difference between 220 and 226 scale
and13 ilvls on shoulders is huge
plus the shoulders transmog
lone turret
guys shields are king for loot priority right??
lone turret
like i have a 13 ilvl upgrade on my shield in the vault i should take that over literally anything else regardless??
jagged pier
yes
lone turret
as i thought thanks ๐
jagged pier
u take 3 ilvls on sheild regardless
cyan bluff
Is there an agreed haste % that we reach, and start to focus more on vers? I am currently 30% haste and 7% vers.
jagged pier
get out of stat mentallity
its point less
ilvl
with as much haste as u can get
u want an amount of haste 39%
unbuffed
good luck
cyan bluff
If you are saying we want that much haste, then you are saying we should have a stat mentallity.
jagged pier
we actually want 166% haste
but your not getting that
ilvl will always give u more than stats
once u have 2 pieces of armour
at the same ilvl
u take which ever has more haste
that is all u need to know
cyan bluff
So, with your stat mentality, you are saying haste > all apart ilvl. And that vers doesn't matter as much as haste
cyan bluff
Well, if the ilvl are the same - then stat choice comes into it and does matter.
jagged pier
i mean makes a very small difference but we prefer haste
the other 3 are so close it hardly matters tbh
espeically now with repirsal
even haste isnt worth as much
as u just passivly have more SB uptime
the only reason we want the haste apart form rage gen is to reduce the CD on SB
which is where the 166% comes from because with that much haste u can have SB up 100% of the time
if your running reprisal like stats dont matter equip your highest ilvl pieces
marble summit
how about when looking at rings?
jagged pier
your choice
marble summit
my vault has a ring without haste (226) my current rings are 203+socket and 207 both with haste
jagged pier
in general 10-15 ilvls is an upgrade as more stats > than less better stats
marble summit
ty ๐
potent pagoda
Does the war machine talent works on explosive orbs ?
jagged pier
dunno doubt it would be worth it even if it did tbh, plus they dont proc VR so i dont think ๐คท
potent pagoda
I thought the speed buff could be really huge to help in kitting. Too bad then ๐ฆ
strong forum
Idk what's people's hard on with "kiting better"
jagged pier
because its the meta Nome apprently
and then theres me in 20 last week not moving
because no need to
๐คท
gaunt dawn
Its seen on the high end to kite
but in reality kiting leads to less dps
it ultimately does depend on the level of dps the group has tho
jagged pier
yes but in 24/25s its understandable
jagged pier
but not in anything less
gaunt dawn
cos you cant outheal sitting on a pack for 5mins
jagged pier
like ppl see the top players running vers stuff and like OMG i need vers for my 10
jagged pier
which is just dumb dont take what the top players are doing to base what your doing
gaunt dawn
my favourite trend which ive seen in most tank discords
is people saying they feel better with marginal amounts of more vers
๐
potent pagoda
Well, with my gear, I dont need to go to 24/25 to not be able to face tanks the dogs in HoA or the big undead trolls in DoS for exemple.
lime urchin
I have the same gear as people doing 24s and I ainโt even close to timing 18s ๐ฆ
potent pagoda
99% of suvivability comes from play
I agree. And the play in this case is kiting.
potent pagoda
+17
jagged pier
zero need to kite in 17s imo
lime urchin
I never ever kite in 17s and 18s except for very specific situations
jagged pier
^^
potent pagoda
Well, then I'm definity doing something wrong then ๐
jagged pier
u got logs?
potent pagoda
Na, I dont log
jagged pier
cant really tell then ๐คท
hexed atlas
go log then come back ? :p
potent pagoda
I'll do that then ๐
hexed atlas
i run autolog so it just turns them on/off when im in/out of content
then upload what i need (for me is usually for reviewing issues that occor with my social group)
elfin surge
zero need to kite, yet this whole expansion im told by everyone I am partied with you have to kite -I am in the prot war discord yeh? and you are all talking about 20โs like they are chump change, meanwhile I am trying my damnedest to push into ksm and up, what the hell am I missing
jagged pier
well the ppl your partied with are wrong, at 15 u only kite gargons and mabye the second DoS pack
again its hard to tell if your struggling please log
or record yourself playing there are plenty of ppl
willing to help u find out what your doing wrong
but kiting is very very rarely the option if your dying its very likely your doing somthing wrong
but we cant tell what that is without logs
or somthing to show how your playing
like ppl have come in here saying they are doing everything wrtie and from what they say it sounds like they are doing it corectly
we get them to link a log
turns out they know the principles
but they are executing it properly at all
on the flip side we've had ppl come in here and link logs where they didnt press SB
and wondering why they took so much damage
strong rampart
The other part to thus......how strong are the dps you are grouped with. Can they actually dps? Are they interrupting?
jagged pier
thats a small part of it yer
if u play corretly u can mitigate a lot of thos mistakes
but again logs will show us that as well
elfin surge
2nd noob question followup - how do we as tanks log?
sick sentinel
It's the same you just look at things other than damage done
jagged pier
โ๏ธ
solid cairn
yeah if the dps don't know what to interrupt it can be very hard to time
Or how to break the chain in SD
steel mist
or better, going the other way that you dont want to go
or pulling stuff you dont need
strong rampart
Even with perfect play, you can't do it alone. It really takes a group effort on higher keys.
inland raft
You pull it you tank it is my motto
Accidental ass pulls ill cover for but if someone leaps agead and does their own thing thinking they kbow best i will walk the other direction
jagged pier
fuk walking the other direction u stand still and watch them die
novel lotus
and then /laugh at them
strong rampart
Lol
jagged pier
Even with perfect play, you can't do it alone. It really takes a group effort o...
yes in high keys and i know 15s are high keys for ppl but very good play should cover most if not all of that at that level, if u go like 18s upwards thats when theres issues
sick sentinel
zero need to kite, yet this whole expansion im told by everyone I am partied wit...
Don't pay attention to people telling you content you're struggling with and they have beaten is easy, there is a distorsion of point of view.
jagged pier
literally not a distorsional point of view i was saying if he feels the need to kite then there could be something hes doing wrong
as you should feel the need too
lime urchin
Nobody said it was easy.
jagged pier
โ๏ธ
uneven mason
#1 thing wrong when doing keys and having to kite.
Your DPS are not helping reduce the damage you take by stunning/interrupting.
I know, I know, it's a really out of the box view, but M+ in BFA and SL are a team effort, as opposed to the legion "Let the tank literally do everything because they can."
gaunt dawn
if i see peoples interrupts are available and multiple casts went through
after the pack is done
i B I T C H in party chat
if it happens again
i just leave
I should not take more damage in a 15 than I would in a 20
uneven mason
My favorite is when they're yelling about you kiting when they let 2 shadowcores go off
like, SW does the first, SR and DS eat the 2nd
if its still alive for a 3rd I'm in the wrong place.
gaunt dawn
i dont mind low dps
well low by my standards
if its low by everyones standards then i do mind
in a 15 key yesterday i beat 2 of the DPS on everything on brewmaster
uneven mason
by 3rd cast I mean 3rd cast that would go off, since in that time span I've interrupted 2
BrM is big DPS
uneven mason
Paladin and BrM are just DPS who take a bit less damage
gaunt dawn
my favourite was the rogue who would kidney just as another mob died
so it healed back to full
uneven mason
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
plush tendon
Paladin and BrM are just DPS who take a bit less damage
take less damage, thats a good joke
uneven mason
So speaking of take less damage
my Bur is Venthyr now
I can't pump Ironfur fast enough to burn through my rage
plush tendon
its so overkill and i love it
uneven mason
Altho I think my favorite is when you have so much haste your GCD capped and Thrash is multiproccing so you have helicopter blades around you basically
plush tendon
yea, but so is incarn and ravenous frenzy ๐
astral crystal
i tried venth for a bit on bear then went back to nf
plush tendon
booo
plush tendon
my bear is strictly a alt right now, so im all good to screw around on it
only toons I really care to maximize their potential is my War, DK, and DH
plush tendon
Bear tank in raid would feel like a bore to me
Personally, I have the most fun on bear the more targets; not enough targets, not enough fun
its a direct correlation
modern brook
only toons I really care to maximize their potential is my War, DK, and DH
my guy listed half the roster :^(
uneven mason
catweaving big fun too
If you're NF you Owlvoke
plush tendon
my guy listed half the roster :^(
Im a alt alcoholic; dont shame me!!!
uneven mason
โ๏ธ
fresh belfry
singletarget you clearly catweave
plush tendon
DH cause i need leather for carrys, DK cause it was my first toon <3, and War cause once you go war, you dont look back
fresh belfry
or rather, you catweave if you can afford to stay out of bear for a longer period
flint wraith
I initially made my warr to push with my group, but now 2 stopped playing - so now i am left with a necro warr in pugs where it feels kinda meh
Which covenant do you recommend? NF or kyrian? I tilt a bit towards kyrian since less people are kyrian but dunno if value over NF
plush tendon
Try both
I like NF more then Kyrian
but theres no reason you cant give both a go
just remember to move your anima with you!
flint wraith
Nah just the general grind of at least 34 renown in each to really feel it i guess
fresh belfry
i tried both, currently still NF, but the slight dps advantage of NF over Kyrian isnt really worth it imho
plush tendon
for Kyrian, you dont really need to grind the renown
fresh belfry
and yeah necro is big poop
plush tendon
Its Pelagos forever, and the last trait is just 3% magic DR
for NF you need 31 for full Korayn
fresh belfry
if youre after it you can easily grind >30 in a few days. just dont make the mistake starting your campaign/turn in 1000 anima/souls/worldboss before you grinded like 20 renown in raid/dungeons
you really want the guaranteed renown as late as possible, after diminishing returns hit the renown grind
uneven mason
I initially made my warr to push with my group, but now 2 stopped playing - so n...
Kyrian is indeed rarer, honestly NF has a sizeable DPS advantage over Kyrian, but being able to use the buffs in NW and Spear in Spires makes it more desirable. And Swolkin steward is bae
fresh belfry
kinda confused what makes you think kyrian is rarer than NF?
solemn magnet
Cuz it is?
fresh belfry
no its not
plush tendon
Think about all the DPS who go NF. Mages, Hunters, Locks, Shadowpriests, Druids etc.
fresh belfry
just check the statistics
solemn magnet
Meta dps are all NF, healers are not kyrian
plush tendon
Now whos Kyrian. VDH, Monks, Paladins
fresh belfry
ohhh i thought you mean among prot warriors
plush tendon
dont forget Ret!
strong forum
Among all classes and specs, kyrian is quite rare
80% of dps specs are nightfae, if not more
Healers are a bit more versatile just like tanks but most are also not kyrian afaik
plush tendon
Only some Holy Paladins would be
solemn magnet
Priests are NF, druids are NF, pally is venth/kyrian, MW are probably kyrian but who cares, shammy necro
plush tendon
lots have gone Venthyr cause 'me watch pros, me want to be good' yet never use it right
uneven mason
worth it
plush tendon
naw, me like my boi playing Kyrian Hpal
distant crystal
tsrh^
distant crystal
gotta pay the troll toll
strong forum
No it's for raid
fresh belfry
yeah hpal was really lackluster in the cooldown department with AW and aura mastery
xd
uneven mason
nerfed aura mastery
fresh belfry
but agree that hallow was big on progress
uneven mason
makes many sad.
uneven mason
its an ok cooldown
it was an insane CD
now its alright
it does just enough
ALthough it does have the massive benefit that people can't run out of it
I die a little every time I see a SLT drop and 5 people run out of it like some sort of Oppositional defiant disorder induced need to just fucking wipe us.
"No I don't want to life!" *blurgh
uneven mason
I am shocked that SLT hasn't been nerfed hard
especially after like say, Mother prog in Uldir
"What mechanic?" *Drops SLT on top of healing circles across the door, I don't see any raid damage.
uneven mason
Yeah, that is about the # of braincells people seem to have when they run out of a SLT
hot oxide
hows this weeks affixes?
blazing condor
its a totally fine week for tyrannical
uneven mason
tbh raging explosive tyrannical is about as easy as a tyrannical week can get
strong forum
it's my HP you can't have it!
Vulpera racial works against SLT
Cuz it's friendly fire
distant crystal
that's a weird ass racial
uneven mason
that's amazing
If I wasn't all about them orcs
I'd probably never give vulpera's a try anyway
because fuck short races
uneven mason
I Believe it
urban cove
Hi, new prot warrior here. Is there an add on that can tell you which abilities should be interrupted and which shouldn't? I feel like I'm wasting the interrupts on useless abilities sometimes and don't really know which ones should be interrupted...
strong forum
Not an addon, but usually you learn that pretty quickly after running said dungeon
Maybe tanknotes can help you out
uneven mason
wowhead has a breakdown of what trash casts what each dungeon, take a gander and its pretty obvious what should be interrupted.
strong forum
Has an m+ section and highlights what's important and what not
uneven mason
that too
plush tendon
Tanknotes and the spell reflect spreadsheet
learn what needs to be interrupted, but also what you can reflect
uneven mason
I've discovered the only way to get my DPS to interrupt is to press spell reflect
100% of the time if I have SR up for a cast
someone will kick it.
strong forum
I can confirm that
boreal merlin
Learning to abuse spell reflect to its full potential makes warriors op but sometimes hard to perfect. For instance in SoA the serpants magic debut and be reflected but getting them reflect all of them at once is a pain sometime of not positions right
Gawd I canโt type cipher that best you can ๐
remote hawk
Regarding the vulpera racial. Is it just the first hit or like first sec dmg inc ? Feels kinda meh since u just take a autohit and its done
uneven mason
reducing initial burst on a pull is important
was a big issue for warriors prior to reprisal
remote hawk
Yeah. Just wanted to know how it works exactly. If it can soak first 2-3 autohits if they are close enough its kinda sweet. But if it only always takes one hit and then its over
plush tendon
Its a very cool passive. Obviously adds up to a lot of healing throughout a dungeon, but its not required or anything. In regards to races most horde races are pretty even except for maybe Nightborne
strong forum
Yeah. Just wanted to know how it works exactly. If it can soak first 2-3 autohit...
Look at it like this, the first hit you take from a mob is basically fully absorbed
And in m+ there are alot of mobs
It amounts to like 250k+ dmg absorbed in m+
remote hawk
Wait what ? Really ?
strong forum
Yea
remote hawk
Does it show up in details ?
strong forum
Yes
remote hawk
Aight ! Well thats nice! Always wanted to go vulpera once i started late bfa but went belf-> orc in SL since I wanted to pvp a bit ^^
strong forum
silk edge
the rule of ilvl>all works for only 6 ilvl ? or is it debatable ? ๐
remote hawk
Ty nomer
uneven mason
wat
plush tendon
N>N-1 works in like 99% of cases
uneven mason
the rule of ilvl>all works for only 6 ilvl ? or is it debatable ? ๐
Its not really debatable
rings/neck maybe
mossy sluice
jewelry kinda debatable but str pieces are always ilvl > *
uneven mason
trinkets are their own assorment of idiotic balancing issues and are taken individually.
strong forum
The only slots I'd debate with Str are wrist and cloak
And there it's 3-6ilvl at best
hot oxide
trinkets is a mixed bag of wtf followed by huh...
silk edge
yea just a shame to loose perfect boots for ones that are only 6 ilvl higher
strong forum
trinkets is a mixed bag of wtf followed by huh...
Trinkets are 100% excempt from ilvl rule
plush tendon
Trinkets are also ๐ฆ for tanks cause theres like one awesome tank trinket (BSS) and then a simple cheat
otherwise, you rolling as DPS
silk edge
aight thx everyone 
strong forum
Well trinkets are the same how you should play as a tank
If you don't need surv, why play defensive
Ykno
Always Max dmg if you know you can live, hence why defensive trinkets are very hard to make good and not overpowered
plush tendon
You right; I just miss my Bloodthirsty Urchin and opulance trinket
strong forum
BSS is good and not overpowered because its a 2min CD imo.
Psychic shell was overpowered
But damn I want it back
plush tendon
I think at the end of BFA I had a nice Vita Charged and the Alchemy trinket for big vers stacking
I miss my 80% vers War XD
plush tendon
yea, gotta get the 2 ineff or the 1 big one
I went away from TD after a few too many TD through walls and under floors
also, the RNG could be frustrating at times
sweet summit
it was rppm so not that big of a rng fiesta unlike tendie
you could control which direction it went in
plush tendon
yea, but you couldnt control if it pulled the big witch underneath the floor XD in WM
sweet summit
ngl not gonna like, that only happened like once to me
plush tendon
it happened maybe once a week XD
granted, i ran a shit ton of keys at the end of BFA. For some reason people were still buying carries until the week SL came out
The one thing I loved about corruption, by the end when you could buy corruption, your character just became broken
solid cairn
I miss the arcano crystal
uneven mason
Always Max dmg if you know you can live, hence why defensive trinkets are very h...
TFW we're going to be still praying for high ilvl hymnals in 9.2 from callings chests.
modern brook
yea just a shame to loose perfect boots for ones that are only 6 ilvl higher
if they're down 6 ilvls they aint perfect.
craggy harness
hmm, given same piece but different tertiary stats, avoidance over leech?
modern brook
You're already putting more thought into it than value gained, tbh
blazing condor
^
craggy harness
Hmm, well, funny since I don't think of big pumping, I just do what i have to do lol
lime urchin
That is pumpin, right?
light thicket
TFW we're going to be still praying for high ilvl hymnals in 9.2 from callings c...
Which one is hymnal again?
uneven mason
the insanly high ppm DD > 50%, heal < 50%
uneven mason
can get from caches as well
I've never seen one myself on my war, but my liddle baby blood bur has scale and hymnal
light thicket
Farm 10k rep for a chance at a trinket
sweet summit
calling cache
light thicket
Engaging content
uneven mason
Farm 10k rep for a chance at a trinket
remember farming crap on argus for the stupid chance at a big TF On a trinket from the vendor?
yeah
lone hearth
blast furnace trinket please
dont make me get hard
wod trinkets were the best imo
hfc ones dont even mention
the best borrowed power blizz ever made
woeful trellis
hello mates need help is it better? with higher dmg on hit?
mossy sluice
feel like im missin some information
lone hearth
hello mates need help is it better? with higher dmg on hit?
wut
uneven mason
uneven mason
hello mates need help is it better? with higher dmg on hit?
Context?
What is "it"?
don't quote Faith no More at me
plush tendon
you dont know what 'it' is?
plush tendon
ok.... what is that?
sweet summit
same item level so same base damage
uneven mason
Same ilvl, what you have is better cause haste
sweet summit
you already have the better one of those
woeful trellis
okay, was only thinking about the 162 vs 135
sweet summit
thats irrelevant
plush tendon
meh
woeful trellis
okay thanks mates
plush tendon
Tempo over whatever that other thing is
lone hearth
?*
lone hearth
is this shit any good? i have a 203 one, and i saw a guilidie saing it did lot of dmg
sweet summit
ive heard people say its good but ive never had it myself
mental scarab
I have never seen that trinket
woeful trellis
i never saw this trincket
uneven mason
can queensguard even proc 226?
sweet summit
no
uneven mason
I think 207 is cap if from a cache
blazing condor
Just use cheat engine kappa
sweet summit
203 no?
woeful trellis
so its a fake screen?
lone hearth
i have a 203 one
woeful trellis
oh okay
uneven mason
its fairly string iirc
lone hearth
the img is from wowhead
sweet summit
?
woeful trellis
i dont know it seems strong idk, like this one is pretty good aswell
lone hearth
but to sim u would need to be in m+ no?
plush tendon
uneven mason
yeah I figured that out
I took 2 years of German, and can't speak a single sentence, but I can make sense of something in writing if I stare at it hard enough
woeful trellis
๐
sweet summit
demon language
plush tendon
I only speak American
uneven mason
The most angry way of saying "I love you" I have ever heard.
sweet summit
i cant speak american
plush tendon
Its like english, but you got to butcher it first
mossy sluice
you americant
plush tendon
then you get American
sweet summit
you americant
thats a terrible pun and if i could i would mute you
uneven mason
Its like English but you remove a lot of U
sweet summit
uneven mason
legitimately
that is american english
we removed U and added a ton of silent E
IDK why
plush tendon
then sprinkled freedom sauce all over it
mossy sluice
fk the queen thats why
uneven mason
I mean, it was a king back then but sure.
plush tendon
They probably still said fck the queen
deep steppe
we removed U and added a ton of silent E
the "U" symbolizes the British, who we removed in 1776
https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-12111808
sweet summit
nuke the briish
uneven mason
Erga must be Irish
sweet summit
not even close
uneven mason
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sweet summit
nej
sweet summit
plush tendon
Swedish
sweet summit
nej
plush tendon
warmer or colder
plush tendon
Legoland?
mossy sluice
tl;dr the u was added to words like colo(u)r because of heavy french influence
sweet summit
youre getting colder now
uneven mason
tl;dr the u was added to words like colo(u)r because of heavy french influence
French = Kings english
solid cairn
Danish?
plush tendon
I already said Legoland
deep steppe
plush tendon
Norway
deep steppe
Russia
deep steppe
solid cairn
but.. Norway is not a warm country....
plush tendon
uneven mason
You'd be surprised.
plush tendon
we did it
sweet summit
ya ik it snowed yesterday :/
solid cairn
Snowed yesterday too in Belgium
deep steppe
it was in the 80's (in 'F) here in Texas yesterday
woeful trellis
we had 25ยฐ last week and over the we -2 with snow ! crazy weather in germany
plush tendon
Cant decide if its Summer or Winter in New England. Was like 20 degrees yesterday, now its 50
solid cairn
yeah too hot
plush tendon
yea, 80 is hot
deep steppe
it only gets warmer from here bois
stark sage
sweet summit
id be dead in the fridge all day man
solid cairn
But i'm more a cold boy than a warm boy
deep steppe
gets up to like
stark sage
it was 104 yesterday in AZ
sweet summit
what hte fuck
solid cairn
That's your CPU temp
deep steppe
solid cairn
Not the weather
sweet summit
LOL
uneven mason
Yeah, east of the rockies is crazy hot
until you get to like, the Mississippi River
uneven mason
high humidity
mossy sluice
was 85 F yesterday
uneven mason
yeah I'm in Chicago
solid cairn
i don't understand how you can still live with that temps
deep steppe
i don't understand how you can still live with that temps
its really not that bad when you've lived here a while
uneven mason
Chicago - 110 F in the summer, -40 below in the winter.
solid cairn
When it get over 20ยฐC i'm literraly dying
sweet summit
i dont understand how you can live in 2021 and still not use celsius
plush tendon
We use Freedom points to determine the weather in America
uneven mason
Because I do it to spite my Canadian wife
mossy sluice
Fahrenheit is better for feeling than celsius and i'll die on that hill
deep steppe
i dont understand how you can live in 2021 and still not use celsius
idk how you can live in 2021 and still not have been to the moon
uneven mason
I mean -40 is about the same in both
deep steppe
sweet summit
i dont want to go to the moon
uneven mason
so that is your reference point.
stark sage
metric is cringe
sweet summit
u are cringe
stark sage
yes
plush tendon
the metric system is a communist plot
stark sage
imagine using base 10 where you can only divide by 1/2/5/10
instead of base 12 where you get 1/2/3/4/6/12
so much more powerful
deep steppe
sweet summit
what
lone hearth
and it only performed less then iqd
median tulip
metric is cringe
Better than that time you accidentally fucked up a rocket because you were using the imperial measurements
Also, why does the US still use UK imperial measurements? You've jettisoned literally everything else from the British Empire, but keep hold of the insane measuring system?! Why...
stark sage
because imperial is better
uneven mason
โ๏ธ
stark sage
just use your 3 braincells
solid cairn
Dude
mossy sluice
its easier to eyeball an inch/feet/yard than "eh thats about 3 centimeters" or "thats about .43 meters"
light thicket
Actually whenever i use metric sistem ppl ask "and how much is that in american?" So they basically decided its inherently theirs
uneven mason
Its the same reason why we use dozens and grosses
solid cairn
Yeah
stark sage
metric tools make no fuckin sense
'ah yeah that's a 13 socket wrench'
wtF???
give me that 3/8ths homie
sweet summit
brug
light thicket
Lol
uneven mason
TFW you buy an american car and the bolts on the battery cage are 10mm
(โฏยฐโกยฐ๏ผโฏ๏ธต โปโโป
solid cairn
tell me how you switch between liter and what inchยณ?
plush tendon
metric tools make no fuckin sense
'ah yeah that's a 13 socket wrench'
wtF???
giv...
you say that, until you try to take apart a piece from Ikea and realize you need a 10 mm wrench
stark sage
uneven mason
Ikea uses hex wrenches now
deep steppe
tell me how you switch between liter and what inchยณ?
1 liter is 61 cubic inches wdym
stark sage
i had to install like 15 drawer handles in my house
they were all metric
i wanted to die
light thicket
TFW you buy an american car and the bolts on the battery cage are 10mm
I guess it must be easier somehow to measure it like that?
solid cairn
There is no sense
uneven mason
No its because they buy cheap parts from china
(everyone does)
but its like the only peice
that is 10mm
in the entire car
plush tendon
LOL
It really makes no sense that we have two systems of measure...
we really need to get everyone on the freedom metric ASAP
light thicket
How much is a foot in cm?
stark sage
30.48
plush tendon
yea, but then youll start using inches
light thicket
Im not messing with decimals and shit for my conversions
plush tendon
so no more CM
plush tendon
so EZ
light thicket
But then how much is an inch?
uneven mason
?
plush tendon
like...4 quarter inches
uneven mason
fractions are hard
stark sage
inch is the smallest whole measurement, who needs microinches or miliinches that shit is cringe
just use fractions
deep steppe
the inch is the base measurement
signal plover
Sometimes I peek in here while pooping and it makes me poop way faster
deep steppe
so if its less than an inch, its like, half inch, quarter inch, etc
uneven mason
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deep steppe
Eu thinks they're so advanced, but tell them to use fractions and they crumble
light thicket
Hey
stark sage
since science is the only domain that needs micro measurements, it makes sense to go back to metric so we can use nanometers or w/e
but in practical use cases, you dont ever need much less than a 1/32nd inch
deep steppe
light thicket
Also i just prefer cpnversions in 10
Easier to add or remove zeroes
But i guess its just a cultural thing
stark sage
base 10 conversions are easier for smoother brains
but 12 is just more divisible which makes it better
uneven mason
Then you get into Tires
deep steppe
Then you get into Tires
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stark sage
: )
signal plover
I grew up in europe and got an engineering degree in the US. Both systems are fine it's just numbers in the end
light thicket
Also i recently found out that ppl at uk use some weird shit to measure weight?
light thicket
Lol
stark sage
metric the superiour measurement
but also i weigh 3 stones
uneven mason
14lbs
light thicket
I fkn love it
light thicket
Kilegrams is better
signal plover
Grams were probably too french for em so they just looked at a heavy object and said "well that's a hefty fucker there innit' bruv"
light thicket
Cause steel is heavier than feathers
stark sage
also love that the way to derive 1 stone is literally just 14lbs
plush tendon
wait, so in Wow is your range in yards?
signal plover
Kylegrams
plush tendon
so like when we say 40 yard range, is that like 50 meters to the Euro bois
signal plover
Afaik wow is always in yards
light thicket
Blizzard isnt going to put THAT much of an effort for translations
ocean bloom
The standard unit in wow is yards but I don't think it translates at all really
ocean bloom
Its like LoL unit is teemos
uneven mason
Measurements in virtual settings are arbitrary anyway.
ocean bloom
Until they arnt
uneven mason
you can change scale and perspective and call it whatever you want.
signal plover
in gnomes
uneven mason
38
signal plover
Like how high is tge jailer?
Like 3 marijuanas
uneven mason
He's more of a PCP chap
signal plover
Also is he slammin sylvanas
light thicket
Both answers are acceptable
uneven mason
Also is he slammin sylvanas
He's been in jail for what, 5,000,000 years? I'm sure he's slamming anything that comes within arms reach.
uneven mason
Now we know the true reason why he kidnapped Anduin.
signal plover
He also cute af
light thicket
uneven mason
"Ugh, an old woman, a cow and a green dude..oh..whats this, Brad Pit in his 20s?"
uneven mason
Sometimes I peek in here while pooping and it makes me poop way faster
Sounds like Blizzard stole your ID - The Great Push!
light thicket
Yes
deep steppe
thats way nicer than what you should be calling her
stark sage
going gray tho
strong forum
Well that's cuz of different reasons
strong forum
deep steppe
vocal bison
google says 36
Whenโs her birthday?
stark sage
tfw nome is 36
deep steppe
tfw nome is also ancient
strong forum
I'm not Boomeratur for nothing ๐ด
plush tendon
Lord Admirals Calendar according to google
deep steppe
pog
stark sage
imagine making up your own calendar
metzen is such a nerd
chilly brook
Jaina still hot
vocal bison
Is 1 wow year the same as 1 earth year?
stark sage
vocal bison
Maybe sheโs really in her 20โs
strong forum
1 wow year is like 2 real years
deep steppe
If Jaina was literally deleted from wow, the wow universe would be a better place
#ISaidWhatISaid
strong forum
Sometimes 3 real years
vocal bison
so she lookin fine for her age
deep steppe
If they buffed her outfit wow would be a better place
๐
light thicket
I read somewhere that all expansions happen 1 right after the other
strong forum
Yes
light thicket
Azeroth is like the worst place ever
vocal bison
If I was actually living in Azeroth Iโd just wanna hang in booty bay.
light thicket
Like they cant even catch their breath before the next shitstorm hits
chilly brook
Also sylvanas outfit nerf needs to be reverted
strong forum
Like they cant even catch their breath before the next shitstorm hits
Pmuch
vocal bison
or that mists of pandara pub with the hot tub in hottub in the back