A big peice of advice I give to starting tanks though - do not be shy about using your major CDs.
#protection
uneven mason
what ilvl are we talking like 160?
Because prot is very strong and not difficult to get used too, if you're dying but using shield block and IP, SW and LS etc...its not going to be you who is at fault
jagged pier
it more difficult than the other tanks
by far imo
so if your used to them the learning curve gunna be big
uneven mason
ehhhhhh
amber herald
easiest class in the game
stone sonnet
uneven mason
ya
signal plover
Look I'm gonna be a bit more direct than most since you were in here yesterday with a similar attitude.
If you don't really feel like you're enjoying the class (or maybe even the game) then it's ok to try a different class or role or even take a break.
But from what I've seen, you're mostly complaining and not listening to the advice folks are trying to give. Chances are there are things we can help you focus on or track better, but we don't know what they are until you either show us logs of an m+ run or something along those lines. Maybe even casts of abilities or a damage breakdown in details at the end of a run. I know logs can be a bit daunting to start up but they're the best tool to help with improvement in the game (given that you're alrdy familiar with, and trying to follow, the info in the guides)
Also, it's healthy to admit when you're struggling, but you also have to pair that with a desire to improve.
jagged pier
can also just upload an unlist video to youtube and send the link
i dont mind watching through it
signal plover
There's like a dozen RLY helpful folks in here that don't mind 1 on 1 helping ppl
grand drum
i have a 223 shield. do i get a 226 one or heart?
jagged pier
hearts not worth imo unless your doing like 24 keys anbd plan around dying
midnight stone
2 shields?? want to share?
uneven mason
3ilvls on shield > trinket
sick sentinel
alright fellas i need some help. I've got 223 bracers no socket, and one option is 226 bracers and a socket. OR i currently have a 220 slh and 220 blood scale equipped but a 226 barghast leash as an option
uneven mason
uh
grand drum
yea, i can farm trinket any week. shield isn't as "farmable"
short pivot
what's a good haste % to aim for?
jagged pier
39%
uneven mason
whatever your highesti lvl gear gets you
jagged pier
without dropping ilvl
short pivot
would you trade 5% haste for 3% vers?
jagged pier
get out of stats mindset tbh
if its armour
take the higher ilvl
100% of the time
grand drum
depends, what the ilvl difference is. just take higher ilvl
jagged pier
alright fellas i need some help. I've got 223 bracers no socket, and one option ...
leash is trash
short pivot
it's rings
uneven mason
up to you
jagged pier
then its preference on rings and neck
uneven mason
5% haste or 3% vers...super high keys maybe
more haste is more damage
3% vers, eh
jagged pier
i would recommend taking leash if u could kill ppl for bants but u cant do that so its a pointless trinket
kindred raptor
Noobish question, but is there a reason I wouldn't want to open my vault as prot?
uneven mason
you already have a 226 scale and 226 phial and want a 2h?
signal plover
Do you want a 2h?
short pivot
for reference it would put me at 25% haste/12% vers vs 20% haste/15% vers
signal plover
Stick with the haste
kindred raptor
Ah ok, so some items are locked to tank or dps?
signal plover
Same as boss/dungeon loot tables
short pivot
haste it is 👍
kindred raptor
Ok thanks all
jagged pier
but phial is not
this annoys me
uneven mason
TBH as soon as I get a scale I'm not opening vault as prot again until I get a phial
jagged pier
but i only need phial and im done expect for maybe HoA neck but that would be a side grade 🤷
i have a 220 phial
i need thos 6 ilvls
uneven mason
the scaling is so ludicrous
deep steppe
Whats better, Anima Field Emitter or Decanter?
boreal merlin
without dropping ilvl
How tf do you get 39% haste?!
jagged pier
How tf do you get 39% haste?!
i dunno
but 40% is when u get taxed
and as our haste cap is 166%
u want to get to close as 40% as possible
boreal merlin
I think like 33% base haste is what you can get if you stacked every piece of gear with the most haste and top I lvl. Not factoring in sockets
uneven mason
Iirc there are some slots that don't have high haste on them so the logical max is like 34%? in BiS gear
then add ITF
but I get ya Jakey
jagged pier
like ilvl is far more important tbh
uneven mason
yup
kindred raptor
its insane
I'm really glad I asked cuz i just got this
jagged pier
fuk you
kindred raptor
haha, I actually didn't believe it actually happened
uneven mason
now go make some DPS cry
kindred raptor
Thanks much guys
deep steppe
so i have 220 bracers and 220 Anima field emitter, which of these would yall pick
jagged pier
pfffffft
solemn magnet
Bracers
jagged pier
id take decanter tbh
deep steppe
👀
solemn magnet
Emitter is good
jagged pier
like bracers are so low value who the fuck cares about them
i have a 226 emitter used it once
jagged pier
went back to phial and decanter
boreal merlin
The trinkets robot gives you 6 more strength and like 100 more damage on the proc
Only* not robot
uneven mason
decanter 226 be nice
jagged pier
that being said 226 decanter does like the same damage as a 194 hymnal
plush tendon
Decanter is a little bit underwhealming personally
boreal merlin
Actually don’t even take the vault and just log on another toon
solemn magnet
750 stygia Hella value
signal plover
I'm still triggered by the 226 phial tbh
plush tendon
I think bracers are safest bet, and then look for a better trinket
Scale, Alar, Phial, etc.
signal plover
I had 5 stygia weeks in a row
deep steppe
Scale, Alar, Phial, etc.
I have a 226 scale, I'm just unsure what to use as my 2nd one
solemn magnet
I'd rather take the vendor gold than the stygia
signal plover
Ended up using the stygia on a socket for a 226 haste ring so idk if id say worthless
solemn magnet
We living that 200 life
short kiln
10 iLvl on weapon > 7 iLvl on shield right? Even if the stats on weapon aren't right?
signal plover
Saved me a few days of maw farm
jagged pier
shield
plush tendon
I have a 226 scale, I'm just unsure what to use as my 2nd one
I feel like youll keep the bracers longer (I think those ones are haste vers so good stats) whereas the decanter youll drop once you get a Alar trinket or something equivalent.
jagged pier
100% shield
signal plover
Shield priority always
uneven mason
3ilvl on shield > whateverthefucktaketheshield
deep steppe
I feel like youll keep the bracers longer (I think those ones are haste vers so ...
they are crit vers but yeah
short kiln
perfect thanks everyone
uneven mason
crit not bad
plush tendon
I mean, thats just my thoughts on it; you got a big scale and you have a decent emitter
so like, whichever you choose, the difference is minimal
plush tendon
we got like 3 more months of 9.05
solemn magnet
Just enough time to reroll bear. xD
plush tendon
if we arent all decked out in 226 gear by then id be suprised
My Venthyr Bear is huge
Rawr!
187 I level
ready for the big time
solemn magnet
Mine is small vampire bear
spark mortar
Is the Pulsating Stoneheart still crap even at ilvl 226?
ebon hound
For sure
boreal merlin
This week being tyrannical, when pushing is the wall better or reprisal? Or situational on the dungeon?
plush tendon
Reprisal
boreal merlin
Wish you could swapped gear out like you could back in legion lol
plush tendon
I honestly cant think of a boss where the Wall will make a difference
uneven mason
187 I level
bet you can tank a 15 at that ilvl
plush tendon
This week yea 🙂
uneven mason
venthyr bur is ball of death
plush tendon
still dont have a lego though
uneven mason
ah yeah if you can get Ursoc's
plush tendon
didnt want to TC for the Ursocs
uneven mason
I did lol
at like 160ilvl
I was just like screwit
popped instances until I got coldheart
plush tendon
I sort of figured this week is Coldheart (i think) so Ill be able to make a rank 2 right off the bat
Bear is currently at minimal effort
uneven mason
yeah
plush tendon
just get a 14 done, do Torggie, call it a week
uneven mason
altho my bur is NL
ionic fern
Or..just get a 14 done and call it a week.
plush tendon
I still need a lego
uneven mason
Bur needs ash for Ursoc
uneven mason
But immortal bur
ionic fern
Was a joooke.
uneven mason
I mean
for prot you're not wrong
our lego's are almost all "meh"
even our best one would be considered dumpster tier for any other tank
uneven mason
yeah
I mean for prot warriors
Reprisal is like B tier lego
compared to what the other tanks get
If they combined The Wall, with Reprisal and UW
then we'd be on par with Ursoc
boreal merlin
Or just allowed 2 legos to be equipped
uneven mason
no
because then you'd have burs with Ursoc and that other ne that gives them Perma Ironfur and Frenzied Regen
immortal bear x100
boreal merlin
They would nerf that 😂
To prevent that but 2 Legos won’t be a thing so don’t worry
mighty cairn
2 legos sounds like a pain to balance
amber herald
I would go for the leggo that reduces incarns cd by 30seconds
mighty cairn
i feel like 2 covenant abilities is more likely
plush tendon
I would go for the leggo that reduces incarns cd by 30seconds
but then it desyncs from Ravenous Frenzy
😦
amber herald
fairy gang
plush tendon
pff ok casual
uneven mason
They would nerf that 😂
Yup VDH still able to use all major CDs and produce insane absorbs on sub 1min CDs.
You sure?
mighty cairn
no they’re balanced now they take 5% more magic dmg 😉
uneven mason
I mean they are balanced
plush tendon
Most tanks are balanced at this point
uneven mason
its only when you get into strange math arenas that they shine
crimson mountain
Anyone know how much avoidance is worth?
uneven mason
its just that VDH excels at a way that allows them to bypass dangerous parts of M+
avoidance is worth, if you get it on higher ilvl peices, ok, if not, no
mighty cairn
yeah their utility kit is well suited to how high m+ plays out
uneven mason
you don't seek out tertiary stats ever.
ionic fern
I miss Legion speed sets and stuff like that.
ionic fern
Speed sets were fun. 😦
crimson mountain
basically should i go with shield or ring here?
hollow owl
i remember having an avoidance set as ele sham
ionic fern
I was the fastest Paladin ever
uneven mason
Leech sets were more fun
uneven mason
😄
ionic fern
basically should i go with shield or ring here?
Shield.
crimson mountain
Thats what i was thinking but unsure with the avoidance on the ring
ionic fern
Also, uninstall Pawn.
hollow owl
funny you say that, ive had it for years now and don't even pay attention to the % increases it says or update the strings, i should get rid of it
just cluttering up the tooltip
plush tendon
We live in a beautiful world, where the only number that matters 99% of the time is I level. Is N>N-1? if you can answer this you become a pro at gearing
crimson mountain
Yeah its basically garbage i use it to import stat weights for dps classes to get an idea what drops might be before simming
hollow owl
it was more useful back in legion when secondary stats were so important and your stat weights didnt change as much
uneven mason
I mean in Legion
hollow owl
but even then you still simmed basically every piece so
boreal merlin
<:peepostudy:617259554530656262> Yup VDH still able to use all major CDs and pro...
Vdh don’t have a shield and have been rubbish since they came out. I’ll give them a pass lol
amber herald
vdh is literally the worst class in the game
lilac quail
Which do I drop for M+ - Field Emitter, Heraldry, or Scale?
signal plover
Emitter prolly
wild hemlock
signal plover
Kind of a toss there
lilac quail
Kinda thinking that - just wanna see if any of yall smarty pants know better
signal plover
Harder to keep uptime on emitter but also not impossible so
crimson mountain
The time you can stand in the field emitter probably isnt that high most weeks
lilac quail
I enjoy the 50% haste when it's up, but last week especially it was just butts
signal plover
Yeh
solemn magnet
Idk, it's pretty easy to stand in and it procs all the time
Scale and either is solid, tho
rocky patio
balmy coral
Got a 223 helm with haste/vers. Now my haste/vers is over 500 with crit over 400. Sad part is while my mastery is low my covenant is necrolord.
Firs time in 3 weeks that the stupid scale didn't appear as an option. Freaken worthless, vendored it so many times!
mossy sluice
i had to valor upgrade my scale from 187 🙂
signal plover
Just leave necro behind man
tame jasper
i had to valor upgrade my scale from 187 🙂
Same here, but totally worth
plush tendon
I level always
tender carbon
Its like food or no food
Item level in general? Or item level on shield specifically
Probably both I’m assuming
mental scarab
In general
And spec shield
Think we can wiggle on rings/neck
I Do for Big haste ones🥳
signal plover
Jewelry u can wiggle a bit. Armor, weap and shield is always ilvl
Trinkets are separate discussion
mighty cairn
does anyone know the name of the wa/addon that plays a sound when you have a defensive external on?
uneven mason
Trinkets are separate discussion
Trinkets are balanced by a blind monkey who suffers from dyslexia.
194 hymnal > most 226 trinkets, sounds legit
signal plover
He cute tho
uneven mason
yeah he is cute
and nothing beats watching him walk aroundBLizz HQ bumping into walls shouting "WARRIORS SCALE WITH ILVL"
that monkey, wears so many hats
cloud tide
i got only 8% vers is that bad?
zenith field
Why hymal good? (Serious question, i have one)
sterile moss
apparently the proc chance is really high
uneven mason
Why hymal good? (Serious question, i have one)
insane rppm
woven galleon
hihi! i got a 226 boots that gives crit and mast and a 223 shoulders that give haste and mast and ANIMA FIELD EMITTER 220! im torn on what to pick, having 207 boots and shoulders on and 207 PVP passive str trinket with scale... should i just go for straight up ilvl and pick the boots?
uneven mason
i got only 8% vers is that bad?
Don't get concerned over secondary %, just stack ilvl and you'll be fine.
I think 16ilvl on shoulders might beat 16ilvl on boots
erm 19~
zenith field
is it the dmg or healing part of hymal making it good for prot?
sterile moss
223 is so feelsbad though lol
cloud tide
i have 38%haste with talent tho
woven galleon
yeah sighs i couldnt get myself into a 14
uneven mason
is it the dmg or healing part of hymal making it good for prot?
yes
woven galleon
for that last one
i was thinking of the boots but its secondaries kinda sark thoughs
uneven mason
I mean, yeah if you take the 226 boots you're basically done with boots for the patch
crit isn't bad
ermahgawd
woven galleon
but the shoulders at 223 is.. BIS on IV at least, unyielding combatant's pauldrons!
but omg 223.... feels bad man
sterile moss
the shoulders are the best upgrade imo if you take this vault independently
yeah, I just upgraded the 223 shield I had for the longest time
uneven mason
👍
woven galleon
yeah i was thinking of that too so i kinda torn
cause those boots... SARK
sighs im still stuck with a 213 shield
woven galleon
normal sire right? HAHA
sterile moss
at least it doesn't change the pain of the last phase stacks 😛
uneven mason
Nope but the combo before it hurts a bit more
but you're right P3 Sire Scorn, big deadly
"Mmmm taking 8k a second, yummy"
took quite a few pulls before my comment of "even if we're not tanking, the boss is still murdering the tanks"
sunk in for the healers
started getting externals out on the knockbacks
big win
sterile moss
👍 whip em into shape
celest chasm
When evaluating two items is ilvl usually the preferred route? I've got two rings with a difference in ilvl of 10 but one has vers and one does not and just wondering if the value of the verse outweighs the value of the extra stats of the 220
cinder skiff
Always wondered that too, rings and neck have no str
solemn magnet
Vers isn't any more important than other stats, unless you're doing +20s
celest chasm
Alright
supple fable
How often do you use Victory Rush in m+?
uneven mason
when its available and I'm low on HP
really don't htink about it
"If hp < 100 & VR > 0; Use VR
supple fable
Mmm I’m deliberating over keybinds now that I’m done leveling and need to get used to adding ravager and storm bolt into the mix
sterile moss
you can macro it in with charge
supple fable
Not a fan of alt mods personally
uneven mason
Ok
lime marten
yo prot fam, i got 3 trinkets in my vault this week-- hc sanguine vintage, 226 decanter of anima charged winds, and 226 quantum device. If I already run 226 scale in one of my slots, what would you pick up here?
strong forum
Decanter
lime marten
😮 nice more dmg sounds good
sick sentinel
anyone know for sure if you can block/parry while channeling fleshcraft?
sweet summit
you can
sick sentinel
awesome
fluid wraith
just hit #1 prot warr on my server yesterday. was rewarded with 226 scale in my box. blessRNG
sweet summit
lime marten
just hit #1 prot warr on my server yesterday. was rewarded with 226 scale in my ...
yo gratsssssssss
sterile moss
we need a scale emote. :welcome_to_the_scale_gang: would do
patent osprey
ocean acorn
deep steppe
balmy coral
Damn they over nerfed Heroic Sire. Got 4 kills in 6 pulls..last kill was on alts ranging from 190-205.
blazing condor
is the general strat on m council to blast the first stoneguard and then kite 2nd til dance > kite 3rd indefinitely? Or is there any gain in kiting the first one and blasting boss to 50%? Maybe you get overlapping guards doing that
shut summit
yea in general it'll be easier to just kill 1st / 2nd should drop before dance / kill or kite 3rd
uneven mason
Damn they over nerfed Heroic Sire. Got 4 kills in 6 pulls..last kill was on alts...
We were doubling up on cleansing stacks already, now we're like, either double take 3 hits or stop DPS after the 2nd one
shut summit
we just kill 1/3 without kiting, if we get to 4th cuz DPS is slacking then just kite that one
uneven mason
Actually felt they made HC sire harder with the 9% HP reduciton
Most infuriating boss mechanic ever - having to stop DPS
ornate oracle
So, I'm still new to prot and tanking in general, but it seems I have a hard time keeping aggro and staying alive in keys.
If I ever use my rage on anything but revenge, I seem to lose aggro, but if I keep using revenge, I have no rage to stay alive. Is this a fairly common problem for prot warrior? I've played a little of my DH and I dont seem to have the same problem keeping aggro. It's kind of annoying, haha.
Using Reprisal legendary btw.
ionic fern
Wouldn't say it's common..threat shouldn't be much of a issue. SB should be your priority but the rest of the rage should go into Revenges most of the time.
Are you using your rage generating abilities on cd?
uneven mason
Also, what ilvl comparison are we talking about here?
If you're fresh to tanking and wearing ilvl 160 stuff and you've got mongo Boomkin 215 dude farming valor in your +2
he's going to get aggro
solid cairn
The best moment for switching covenant is the day before the weekly reset?
uneven mason
in theory
solid cairn
Why?
uneven mason
because the quest resets with the server
so you don't spend a ton of time in limbo
IDK if it super matters much
but depends on what you do with your time in game.
solid cairn
Is there a cap on how much renow we can get per week ?
uneven mason
no at this point its uncapped
however, you can only go far past the last step of the story
plush tendon
You need to wait two resets before you can go back to your old Cov. Therefore, if you switch on a Monday you can finish part 1 before reset then on Tuesday finish part 2.
If you swap on a Tuesday, youll have to wait till next Tuesday before you can go back
uneven mason
like, if you've done none of the storyline quests and are at renown 18 I think it caps you there until you do some chapters
☝️
Now if you're JUST changing covenants and not going back
then do it whenever
plush tendon
For renown capping, best thing to do is to save the Cov Renown for later. You start getting less and less renown from sources such as PVP, dungeons, and whatnot the more you have.
ornate oracle
So, I'm using my rage generation on CD, including charge/intervention.
Ilvl 204
tawny salmon
When choosing a weapon for prot, should I go for faster or slower?
uneven mason
All weapons are 2.6 speed
solid cairn
It's for trying NF since i'm necro, to see if it's better for me in PUG
uneven mason
they were normalized back in uh....MoP?
plush tendon
It's for trying NF since i'm necro, to see if it's better for me in PUG
Ill save you the expense. It is unfortunately 😦
uneven mason
#spottheclassicplayer
tawny salmon
is there no difference for rage generation?
tawny salmon
Sorry I haven't played warrior in a loooong while. I appreciate it
solid cairn
Ill save you the expense. It is unfortunately 😦
Ok so let's go from Highlord to Groot
plush tendon
Ok so let's go from Highlord to Groot
yea, i love Necrolord, but AA is just much better then banner as of right now, especially in pugs. Im 40 renown in both and tried both out
solid cairn
Yeah i will just try to get some renow before the weekly reset
plush tendon
its not important to get renown before reset. The important thing is to finish the part 1 of the return quest for your old Cov.
uneven mason
yup
plush tendon
Also, world boss is always 1 renown
plush tendon
just spam heriocs till like 20
uneven mason
LFR's primary use is renown
uneven mason
you can heroic spam to 18 (iirc my NL druid capped here, went 5 dungeons with 0)
then do the story
plush tendon
yea, herioc dungeons bring you to like 18, then you do M0s till they no longer drop
uneven mason
by the time you finish that you should be basically 30
and then do LFR
tadaaa 40
ish
plush tendon
or you can PVP if you into that
uneven mason
PVPing as a tank...
hmm maybe I'll get a 226 2h
and go slap some RBGs
enjoy arms before they inevitably try and "fix" it for PVE in 9.1 and make it a marshmallow in PVP again.
blazing condor
low cr prot pvp is fun asf
tidal quarry
Can you intervene a BM hunters pet to proc reprisal?
boreal merlin
I don’t think so
tidal quarry
just checking
strong forum
No, only players
uneven mason
make the BM swap to survival, deal some real damage.
Survival is surprisingly chonky in M+
hollow owl
hey, random question. does revenge hit explosive? if you have it targetted? obviously it won't just aoe
hollow owl
thought so. thanks
frozen isle
Hey guys, war tank should get how many damage overall in key ( more than +15)
plush tendon
for some big brain Reprisal procs 😄
plush tendon
Hey guys, war tank should get how many damage overall in key ( more than +15)
whats your Cov?
frozen isle
Didnt choose i am upgrade one wartank wanna switch to my drood tank
Probably going kyrian
uneven mason
Hey guys, war tank should get how many damage overall in key ( more than +15)
Plka gets 4.5k avg with reprisal iirc so that is your bar
uneven mason
Plka is beefcake
ionic fern
4.5k should be np. 👀
frozen isle
Ok Pal tank & monk are best tank damage ?
uneven mason
I mean, I've pulled 6k but thats in lower keys and just ignoring defensives
yeah, highest dps out, highest DPS in
Venthyr Guardian Druid can top meters
and be unkillable
every 3min
frozen isle
Wooot ? Venthyr drood ??
plush tendon
yea, Venthyr Bear; unkillable every 3 mins
ionic fern
Isn't the unkillable part just due to ursoc? 👀
prisma bear
ya but ravenous is just even more sauce
uneven mason
Yes, but imagine Ursoc + 50% haste and 50% crit
plush tendon
got to add on all the sauce
ionic fern
I'll take my russian roulette with NF thank you very much
plush tendon
you eating BBQ spare ribs with no BBQ sauce
torn stump
when you get a 226 IQD out of vault but you're sad because its not a scale
frozen isle
U cant play venthyr as drood tank
plush tendon
why not
frozen isle
So strange
ionic fern
You can play anything as anything.
plush tendon
we're just ahead of our time
frozen isle
NF so strange on pride to burst it
solemn magnet
U cant play venthyr as drood tank
frozen isle
Strong
uneven mason
when you get a 226 IQD out of vault but you're sad because its not a scale
welcome to my world
plush tendon
PFFFF pride is a healers problem
uneven mason
I pray to RNG for a DoS trinket and he's like "Here, you can have a 226 IQD and a 223 IQD enjoy
plush tendon
its what you do after pride that matters 😛
prisma bear
hogging a night fae slot as a tank if its not lightyears ahead of the 2nd best option in m+ doesnt make sense to me
plush tendon
all im saying, dont knock the Venthyr bear till you try it
frozen isle
I ´ ll
uneven mason
Yeah but then you take Ravenous + berserk + Prideful and pull 7 packs
and burn it down for 80,000DPS
plush tendon
^ stonks
uneven mason
Venthyr bear, big IQ
frozen isle
Lol haha
frozen isle
That could be fun u right
uneven mason
"I can pretend I'm a chicken" every 5min
Being NF On my druid made me nautious
its no where near as satisfying as 
so I went NL to see how things are there.
probably going to endup back on Venthyr
frozen isle
Thats why i want to try prot war
plush tendon
Prot War has all the options
frozen isle
´m tired to play my drood tank thats why i wanna dwitch
plush tendon
want to simp a bit, NL. Want to Pump NF. Want to be basic andy Kyrian. Want to PVP Venthyr
plush tendon
Yep
plush tendon
naw, i dont push currently. I just do lots of 15s and 16s with friends
frozen isle
Ok okkkk
plush tendon
PLKA is the pusher
plush tendon
he released a guide recently; he basically went over Cov choice; I do know his personal fav is NF but since hes pushing hes stuck on Kyrian 😦
for dungeon buffs
plush tendon
twitch
plush tendon
he was number 1 Prot War for a while (while Prot War was bottom) and now is number 2 cause Nerf exists
uneven mason
free advertising
https://www.twitch.tv/plkatv
uneven mason
Nerf doesn't count
because he had his DH team carry his war 😛
plka was representing the whole time ✊
frozen isle
War are so nerf ( i mean nobody want a prot ...)
ionic fern
free advertising
https://www.twitch.tv/plkatv
It's already in the F.A.Q 
frozen isle
They want only dh etctetc
uneven mason
Yes, but his english is poor.
uneven mason
War are so nerf ( i mean nobody want a prot ...)
That's called "community perception" AKA - Lemming mentality.
Everyone sees the meta because the meta provides the top pushers with a 🤏 miniscule advantage
so they figure everything else is crap
without understanding a single part of why the meta is the meta.
plush tendon
Lol, watching Ellesmere right now; literally talking about how community perception is a cancer XD
uneven mason
Yeah, and how it screws with hivemind demands for nerfs/changes when none are needed
uneven mason
Prot didn't need defensive buffs, we're tanky as hell, damage yes, which I'm glad we got.
VDH doesn't need to be really nerfed
frozen isle
In FAQ they talk about it
distant crystal
idk i feel like the blanket buff was nice
torn stump
all DH need to be nerfed into non existence until demo lock gets meta back
distant crystal
all tanks were relatively squish in keys
torn stump
never forget
languid flower
VDH is problematic as a playstyle though, from a dungeon designer's point of view
hollow silo
Nerf doesn't count
uneven mason
all DH need to be nerfed into non existence until demo lock gets meta back
Mordi? is that you?
torn stump
lmao
uneven mason
<:sadge:820202363359854633>
I kid, Nerf did the keys with the war I'm sure to prove to the community that it can be done.
But Nerf and Plka are abberations
hollow silo
uneven mason
they exist outside of the usual laws of physics
distant crystal
i bet all my channel points that nerf would set a new record in 26 PF
uneven mason
"Quantum Warriors"
distant crystal
then the moonkin broke shroud by roaring from mount form
the key lasted like 10 seconds
uneven mason
big ouch
languid flower
the kite-tanking style is really antithetical to the design of tanks and pve encounters
uneven mason
the kite-tanking style is really antithetical to the design of tanks and pve enc...
Its not even kiting anymore
gear has caught up
We're at damage caps I believe
with 26s
or close to
languid flower
damage caps as in the team can't do enough damage to push past dps requirements?
plush tendon
yes
uneven mason
But yeah, the fact that the high end of DPS throughput and the maximum tank intake are so out of whack
distant crystal
uncapped aoe means pull bigger to time bigger
but ppl can't live the bigger pulls
global 10% DR for all specs/classes imo
uneven mason
I mean, uncapped AE is the problem TBH
if they had capped ranged AE as well as melee
we'd be looking at a far different meta
either all or nothing
but this is the 🖕 you melee expansion
languid flower
almost all AoE is capped. The few that aren't are almost all dots.
uneven mason
fire and boomkin are uncapped and provide massive utility
while being near unkillable in many situations
languid flower
it's just capped differently than most melee abilities
and that difference is very problematic
uneven mason
yeah
languid flower
so I agree with you
uneven mason
I mena warlock has uncapped AE, but none of hte survivabiity or burst
distant crystal
it's really just hunters that are capped as far as ranged eh?
uneven mason
kinda
their #1 lego for a while was because their cleave applied a DoT to everything
and the firepool lego
is also uncapped iirc
languid flower
WW hits 5 targets max?
languid flower
I never use it, so I don't know ><
uneven mason
survival isn't a real spec
solemn magnet
Rude
uneven mason
kidding, IDK because I've seen 2 survival hunters in M+
and they're bursty as all hell
solemn magnet
Carve is capped, so don't worry
uneven mason
like there is cap, and then there is squaroot cap
solemn magnet
Pretty sure carve is hard capped at 5
uneven mason
yeah like most warrior abilities
languid flower
there's the 5 hard cap, and then the 20 soft cap, and then the uncapped
the 20 soft cap means it does max damage at 20 creatures. every additional creature just spreads the damage around differently
Now most of us aren't mobbing up 20 creatures, so the 20 soft cap spells are effectively not capped.
but in the offchance that you run through and mob up all 3 shards in HoA, even the Aoe damage of the big pumpers won't be enough
uneven mason
the soft caps vs the casters uncapped are the reason why we're not doing biggerp ulls
its REALLLLY hard to hold aggro vs that many mobs with Revenge
uneven mason
Yeha you can do it on a big pack, but its not reliable
languid flower
you can hold aggro for a while, but you'll still die
uneven mason
I did the full pull in the necropolis in my 14 NW lastnight
and had some mobs peel off
just couldn't hold em all
I died last ><
about half the pull died heh
but even with CS
was the healers idea
since they were bored
languid flower
I've been known to overmob in heroic dungeons
uneven mason
Heroic dungeons are what victory rush is for.
languid flower
last night I wound up soloing half of spires
because I'd mob big enough to kill everyone else
uneven mason
mmhmm
languid flower
poor saps
uneven mason
I don't think I've finished a heroic DoS on an alt
languid flower
still did it in about 12 minutes
uneven mason
without having to solo Mehuzy
plush tendon
Target cap is is frustrating, especially last week when I was doing the big pulls in Ardenweald. Either you cant hold aggro on all of them since you arent hitting all of them if the mage is going to pound town and the health of each mob is so dramatically different
not impossible to deal with, just frustrating
solemn magnet
i already have it
late rampart
would you use 226 slimy consumptive organ ( stam trinket) over 200 ilvl darkmoon haste deck?
strong forum
no
solemn magnet
no
strong forum
organ is trash
late rampart
yeah, that's what I felt too lol
maybe not that stam is bad per say... but str is just too good. Can't really see myself using non-str trinket
strong forum
stam trinkets havent been good in forever
feral gulch
lol
hollow owl
so i'm new to prot warrior, what's the best way to handle explosive? in melee it seems like shield slam but it has a CD, and then heroic throw has the weird dead zone
i feel like i should be able to get most of them, but at least in the little i've done that doesn't seem to be the case
lofty widget
i just target them and pray for a melee hit
and when ss comes off cooldown i use that
mighty valley
^^ I do the same
but I'm lucky to play with very eager healers and even dps
so i'm just kind of the backup
hollow owl
i was just in a pug that has apparently never seen the explosive mechanic...
strong forum
theres a first time for everything i guess
distant crystal
healers can handle mostly
guess it depends on the class, kinda sucks for shamans
toxic gyro
Can’t they just spam frost shock?
lavish oracle
I swap off of Devestator for explosive weeks in pugs
Having devastate makes it so easy to solo almost all the orbs
distant crystal
orbs still don't give VR right
plush tendon
Yea, but then I need a key bind for devestate
lavish oracle
Yeah, not since like S2 last xpac
light coral
I got 3 trinkets in my cache this week... Bladedancer, Decanter of Anima-Charged Winds and Sanguine Vintage are any of these just... out right better than the others? for what it's worth I currently have Gluttonous Spike and Anima Field Emitter
plush tendon
Decanter prob
lavish oracle
I hate decanter
plush tendon
Sanguine vintage in niche cases
lavish oracle
The only one I would consider is vintage
Decanter always seems to perform much better on sims than in practice
light coral
Does the item level really matter? It's only a 207 and the two dungeon trinkets are 220
lavish oracle
I'm not sure how the shield scales with ilvl, I've only ever had the 220 version
sick sentinel
Anyone who can review a quick m8 i did, and see if i made fuck ups? Trying to learn prot warrior atm, bit of a learning curve :b
languid flower
so i'm new to prot warrior, what's the best way to handle explosive? in melee it...
I use devastate. it's always up
hollow owl
yea, i wondered about going punisher instead this week
languid flower
I always run punish
but then again, I'm bad
Wow, Barghast's leash
even though it's 226, I'll stick with the 213 spike
heh, bargast's leash and slimy consumptive organ both in the same vault
I'm really tempted to take the leash and try to troll people to death
but the only people I would really wanna kill with it are having a bad time in their lives, so I'll just take the 6 level shield upgrade (it has avoidance too!)
languid flower
is that before or after my damage reductions?
'cause I can totes take 200K before
strong forum
after
strong forum
its like a 20% ignore pain
and it used to bug out liek crazy on monks
where stagger would trigger a full on dmg transfer
potent crypt
reprisal is better for raid >> the wall?
strong forum
both are perfectly fine to play
languid flower
yup
reprisal is a little harder to use in some fights, but you can always intervene someone
languid flower
I mean, if it were a 226 scale, I'd have gone with it.
distant crystal
ew
languid flower
a variety of ways to get a shield. only one scale.
median tulip
The day I finally got to a 226 Scale, a 226 Shield and a 226 AFE was a good day
languid flower
AFE?
mighty valley
anima field emitter
gaunt dawn
Give me a way to get max vault options without doing 10 keys
distant crystal
hire someone to play your char(s) in 10 keys
gaunt dawn
But there isnt just one char
distant crystal
fixt
honest plinth
You are lazy
gaunt dawn
If they're not all played terribly people will know it's not me
honest plinth
No pain no gain
gaunt dawn
True
floral pewter
But there isnt just one char
remember when capping valor for the week on one char gave you bonus valor on other characters?
that was nice
gaunt dawn
Valor xd
gaunt dawn
Dont think I have more than 1k total
strong forum
bruh i didnt do 10 keys combined in the last month on my own character, you think id do it for someone else
gaunt dawn
Across all chars
But yes I do remember that
Could be a feature next season
Who knows
🙂
floral pewter
yeah, I'd love to have a feature that makes it easier to fill the vault on alts
after one character has all 3 slots, other characters get double progress or something
honest plinth
Haha. Gl :)
languid flower
gets 2/10 for free
or maybe for each piece you unlock, you get 1 free run on an alt
crimson furnace
Hymnal of the Path -- sup with this??
languid flower
so 3 -> 1, 6 ->2, and 10 -> 3 (a free piece)
gaunt dawn
Hymnal of the Path -- sup with this??
Its good
strong forum
ima run it perma in raid now that i got a 194
honest plinth
Pumper
gaunt dawn
Silly
strong forum
its solid dps
strong forum
id pair it with a phial, but im too lazy to grind it
gaunt dawn
You're scared for your life
strong forum
so im willy nilly swapping between anime decanter and OPcrystal
gaunt dawn
The real OGs use skulkers
strong forum
i dont have skulker either
floral pewter
I got a 203 Hymnal from a calling chest... on my other character :<
strong forum
i wish i had skulker
gaunt dawn
It drops p late in the raid tbh
strong forum
but i didnt know that thing actually did any dmg up until we started extending
honest plinth
Anime ❤️
honest plinth
We will hit next patch in few months
strong forum
🙂
exactly
im more likely to get 233 dreadfire vessel than a skulkers wing
at this pace
gaunt dawn
I just keep getting sire hats
honest plinth
Seems like we will be muuuch stronger next patch at least in m+
honest plinth
Even now top players do like 25s after buff in not optimal gear with 222 ilvl
Sounds good
sick sentinel
Anyone who could check my log from a mist run? ^^ https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XK2VBw8J4rxamRFY/#fight=last
strong forum
you need to intervene and charge alot more
6 intervenes in a 23min dungeon is way too little
you only had 43% shieldblock uptime when you could reach a solid 60% with just charging and intervening more
you also only used spear 13 times, when you could get close to 20 effective uses
flat cosmos
Picked up 207 version of the shield from necrotic wake, think it’s crit vers, currently using 213 one from raid that has some haste, worth using valor to pump the shield up?
sweet summit
220>213
junior osprey
When should you be using spear?
sick sentinel
you need to intervene and charge alot more
Thank you! I think my issue is I hold on to my cds way to much!
junior osprey
Oh are you talking about Kyrian spear?
junior osprey
I’m dumb I was thinking of shattering throw I was like wtf
sick sentinel
Does anyone try to work in Pride buff for Helkias on Tyran weeks (15-16 keys)? I'm having trouble coming up with a route that doesn't involve weird skips or having pride spawn early in a pack.
sweet summit
is that first boss HoA?
sick sentinel
yea
sweet summit
just grab a stoneborn thing or two and lust
usually grab a pride for 2nd boss instead
torn stump
ya Helk is really just executing correctly
theres not like any constant massively increasing aoe that requires pride
just dropping the pools smart and good movement
sweet summit
^
humble nebula
hi all, just got my first ever IQD on my prot warr alt.
Is it good for tanking? If so, whats best way to use it?
sick sentinel
I can get a Venthyr but you don't think lust is needed on 2nd boss?
sweet summit
you just lust first boss cos its usually off cooldown there
so theres no real downside to not lust really
honest plinth
Anyone who could check my log from a mist run? ^^ https://www.warcraftlogs.com/r...
Im pretty sure you are using wrong dmf trinket, also bsc>bv with reprisal imo
torn stump
i just crafted reprisal today, pretty pumped to jump on this AM train
honest plinth
pride for all shards and 2nd boss
You dont need pride for shards on tyran
potent crypt
i dont have idea how to do dmg with revenge and defensive rotation :S
sweet summit
keep up SB and spend the other rage on revenge
potent crypt
IP?
sweet summit
dont overuse IP, thats the secret
sweet summit
use IP to avoid overcapping rage as an off GCD spender
or if you're about to take HUGE damage
potent crypt
xymox love me
sick sentinel
You dont need pride for shards on tyran
The route just kind of works out that way to keep pride timings safe for the people I play with.
honest plinth
I mean you still can have pride on both 1st and 2nd boss
junior osprey
Dratnos has a route on r.io that gives you pride for first and 2nd boss HoA
Need to use invis skip tho so that may be a factor for some groups
honest plinth
Idk its trivial
hasty fjord
Ok Prot War fam I need some input - 210 B.S. Scale, 187 Hymnal, and 210 Slimy Organ. What is best combo? Both 210 ilvl or one and the Hymnal?
honest plinth
Scale is best trinket you can ever have. And hymnal> organ im pretty sure ye
You need to work on your alar for m+, or anime
hasty fjord
Groovy thanks all!
sick sentinel
Im pretty sure you are using wrong dmf trinket, also bsc>bv with reprisal imo
Bsc?
sick sentinel
best served cold
Thank you!
last pebble
im having such a hard time staying alive as prot warrior. i have 18% verse and just feel like im constantly getting destroyed. Coming from a prot pally i thought it would be much easier to tank
floral pewter
im having such a hard time staying alive as prot warrior. i have 18% verse and j...
haste is more important for prot than vers
but good cooldown and shield block usage will matter a lot more than shifting stats around
agile holly
whats the standard for Reprisal legs or feet? I’m guessing legs cause more stats?
last pebble
i have 20% haste
mossy sluice
Hi guys, How an IQD is good for prot? Got a 226 um chest today
its eh
floral pewter
20% haste should be pretty solid, so it's probably an issue of using mitigation effectively
mossy sluice
whats the standard for Reprisal legs or feet? I’m guessing legs cause more stats...
yeah legs
floral pewter
are you talking M+ or raids?
agile holly
M+ ill just use the wall in raids probably
last pebble
m+
mossy sluice
if people miss kicks you will get trucked
floral pewter
yeah, there's only so much you can do with bad groups
honest plinth
Log your run and look at your sb uptime
floral pewter
but like, if you're spamming IP instead of using shield block, swap that around
mossy sluice
sb uptime is bait, look at % of melee hits blocked
torn stump
legs for when we can wear two leggos for huge reprisal leaper action
floral pewter
and if you're running Reprisal but not charging around like a madman for uptime, get on that
torn stump
legs feet mario action
last pebble
how do you charge around when you're fighting packs?
torn stump
shockwave,leap,intervene
mossy sluice
shockwave charge or leap charge work
floral pewter
charge the caster who refuses to move
leap out, charge in
intervene out, charge in
stun, run, charge
some packs it's harder than others, but you can often find or make opportunities
mossy sluice
what key level are you doing?
last pebble
16 HoA
mossy sluice
still have details up? check your dam taken from wicked blast
doing that dungeon w/ people who dont interrupt is a nightmare
last pebble
we bricked the key caquse we couldnt kill second boss
honest plinth
Im pretty sure they died after boss leap
You need mage or maybe drood for that boss
last pebble
yeah i mean the second boss wasnt my fault
the dps was trahs but
671k taken from wicked blast
mossy sluice
yeah thats a lot of wicked blasts
last pebble
all before second boss, is that a lot?
dusky mica
oh, a 203 hymnal, doing WQ's paid off
floral pewter
or just like, check interrupts overall, lol
mossy sluice
yeah that too
last pebble
i will, i think im not using my shield block efficiently either
floral pewter
671k has gotta be what, like 60+ casts? that seems like a lot
honest plinth
oh, a 203 hymnal, doing WQ's paid off
Gz
honest plinth
671k has gotta be what, like 60+ casts? that seems like a lot
If they are doing 10k per hit its nothing
Like ez healable
potent crypt
guys what do you think about my stats https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/sanguino/ashrim
i thinking change to kyrian necro is pretty good but i think i need more dmg and one kyrian for m+
i trying stack full haste versa
mighty valley
stats are fine, would be nice to move some vers into haste at your level imo
but we take what we get
chilly brook
mighty valley
it's too beautiful..
full peak
last pebble
are prot warriors decent at face tanking or if my shield block isnt up im just kiting?
torn stump
depends on the mobs
obvs you want sb up as much as possible but there are times when you can sit there with it down
if you arent taking huge damage and you know theres a big hit you have to block coming up
or you can use demo shout during short gaps
haughty token
is stone legion heraldry at ilvl 194 better then a greatbelt at ilvl 207?
Because I dont have stone legion, and thats one of the best trinkets for prot warrior right? Both would be an upgrade.
187 > 194 trinket
vs
197 > 207 belt
this is from the vault
lone hearth
sb uptime is bait, look at % of melee hits blocked
can you do this in details? or only logs?
mossy sluice
only logs
knotty pewter
can anyone confirm that soul split in MotS is still reflectable?
lilac quail
I know I'm crazy, but why does it feel like I'm taking more incoming damage now than 2 weeks ago?
mighty valley
do you run with a consistent group?
lilac quail
4/5, so consistent ish
mighty valley
I guess it's raging week, that's something
it was funny after the buffs went in last week, and people had the reaction that trash was harder
when it had just ticked over from tyrannical week to fortified week
lilac quail
Yeah, like, I get why the gargons were trucking me last week, but holy balls, even the little dudes in HOA are hitting me for like 14k
mossy sluice
those little fucks hit hard
lilac quail
I guess I've just never noticed
mossy sluice
think its called smack or something. if you take a raging one w/o sb you'll feel it
mighty valley
raging can fuck you up if the dps aren't taking the pack seriously
opal salmon
Why isn’t a ring BiS for a legendary since Haste, verse > strength?
You get 2x haste/verse on ring than boots and you get more stamina
median tulip
a) Where did you get the idea that STR was worth less than secondary stats? b) None of our good legendary powers go on a ring.
opal salmon
Okay B makes more sense
Strength doesn’t attribute to any tanking aspects besides damage right?
Did think about the powers
Dudnt*
fervent portal
I've always gone with Haste and Versatility
median tulip
Armour, Attack Power (which feeds Ignore Pain)
You get a lot of Armour from Vanguard
mighty valley
a lot of DPS specs rank rings right after the biggest armor slots. but for us, yeah, kind of moot, ring isn't an option for our good powers
opal salmon
Ya the powers part makes sense but I’m curious how it’d stack up when just looking at stats
mighty valley
higher ilvl also gives higher armor
opal salmon
You get about 60+ more haste/vers
mighty valley
I guess str adds a little parry chance too? huh
median tulip
Crit feeds Parry, via Riposte
opal salmon
Yeah strength is just attack power which feeds vanguard which feeds armor
median tulip
Well, Vanguard makes Strength directly feed Armour
opal salmon
Correct
median tulip
Strength also feeds Attack Power - IIRC it's 2 AP for 1 STR
mighty valley
I'm just looking at this
median tulip
and attack power feeds Ignore Pain - IIRC it's 3.5*VersaMod IP per AP
opal salmon
So what’s better 60 more strength or 60 more vers and haste
median tulip
So what’s better 60 more strength or 60 more vers and haste
You pretty much never have to make that decision.
median tulip
Given that a feast (+20 Primary Stat) is better than a top-rank Secondary Food (+30 Secondary stat), Strengths weighs at least 50% more than any secondary
opal salmon
Better based on DPS or mitigation?
opal salmon
Lol I get they are the same thing in the end kinda
I gotta ask the dps chats now. Can signet be put on a ring?
median tulip
Yes. Most people do put Signet on the ring slot
opal salmon
Gotcha that’s what I was assuming
solemn magnet
Dps mainly get rings cuz most rings suck and getting 2 good ones is hard.
sweet summit
Strength also feeds Attack Power - IIRC it's 2 AP for 1 STR
its 1 to 1 str -> AP
unique shale
warrior tank becoming meta ?
torn stump
warrior tank been meta in our hearts
sweet summit
warrior tank becoming meta ?
idk i cant predict the future yet
unique shale
lol good one
unique shale
idk i cant predict the future yet
people calling Reprisal making prot war meta
