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signal plover
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Kyrian/NF feel the most fun tbh

sterile berry
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Guess ill stay kyrian. Not that much of coordinated groups in the guild atm haha

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Tnx!

plush tendon
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Kyrian is a the generic pick because its very good, but lots of groups need that Kyrian

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More then enough of us NFs running around

sterile berry
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True

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Almost all mages, druids and rogues are NF

uneven mason
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My druid is NL AMA

solemn magnet
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My druid is venthyr AMA

sterile berry
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Wuuut

uneven mason
plush tendon
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My bear is also venthyr

uneven mason
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I'd go Venthyr, but my DK is venthyr

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and I wanted to be impartial

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VDH is Kyrian, druid NL, DK Venth, Warrior NF

plush tendon
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My Dk currently has a identity crisis between Venthyr and Necrolord. Currently working it out

sterile berry
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One reason why i was thinking about NL cuz my DH is already kyrian haha

uneven mason
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Venthyr so much > NL

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for BDK

plush tendon
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Naw, dont diss on the Abom

solemn magnet
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But NF dk, tho

plush tendon
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Motherfucker in the BDK just timed a 15 ToP with no Cov

uneven mason
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the RP gain from mists > boneshield charges

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especially with the revamped CRW

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yeah, coveanants not going to make or break

plush tendon
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honestly, not even the reason why I would go back to Venthtr

uneven mason
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they're more like fun extras

plush tendon
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I just miss having a 1 min CD for damage

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my Runic Power economy is fine with or without Swarming Mists

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But both are at 40 and its super easy to swap between the two

uneven mason
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I treat it as another defensive CD

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lets you slap Death Strike

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lots

plush tendon
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Its primary use is to fill the runic power bar up, but in a lot of cases its just not required

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I also think Abom has some cool playmaking ability. Was super nice this week with Sanguine and just kiting them with abom out

uneven mason
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required no, none of the covenants are required

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for any of the tanks really

plush tendon
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I meant the runic power gain from it XD

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awesome ability visually and functionally with great damage

uneven mason
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OH, no like I said, its good for things like, sub 30% on sludge where you want a reliable cycle of CDs

plush tendon
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I think Sludge sub 30% aint that bad

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as a BDK

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I basically just rotate CRW with a rune tap after its done, then he screams, then I go to vamp blood to IBF and by then its either dead or its going into the wall

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And if I die, got 10 more seconds to slap it in my Necro cheat πŸ™‚

uneven mason
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Yeah that is the one big benefit of NL

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10 seconds of "Its just a flesh wound!"

plush tendon
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I also love the Necrolord Cov cause the plate armor is sick and I like the aesthetic

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was really hoping banner was going to be the shit with the changes 😦

merry quail
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What about Prot Venthyr? Should I not even try it?

plush tendon
patent osprey
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Venthyr pog

uneven mason
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We have stronk AE to begin with tho

patent osprey
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Door of shadows is a great kiting tool + condemn is good ST

uneven mason
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Condemn certainly givesy ou a good tool for dmg ST while providing a defensive benefit, like combining IP with revenge

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vs 1 target

plush tendon
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Now if it cleaved, it would be a pog champ

uneven mason
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give us fury's WW and WW buff

signal plover
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Followed swiftly by the biggest nerf in years lol

uneven mason
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No way prot is bad Paw

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don't you read reddit

signal plover
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I responded to a post on comp wow once

plush tendon
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^ According to Kongoking-Zuljin prot is not VDH and therefore bad

signal plover
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Got told Ilvl prio is a lie

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I was like, k fellas you do you

plush tendon
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yea, some of the stuff on that sub reddit is just bonkers TBH

signal plover
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Kindly pointed them to come here to have a chat

uneven mason
plush tendon
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I see a lot of people thinking way to hard about gear still

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Blizz has been trying really hard to make it so its almost always Ilevel>stats

uneven mason
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I think doing fury in Antorus was the last time i thought about gear

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because they funked up the balance for main stat so bad

plush tendon
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Yea; I did the same in BFA season 4, but thats cause I was running around with Vers amps

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XD

uneven mason
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"Oh ok this ilvl 915 LFR piece of garbage out parses my 985 because haste is so strong? Got it"

plush tendon
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otherwise, I get a new piece, do a quick is 226>220? then slap it on

signal plover
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Ppl are literally just stuck in 8.3 mentally

uneven mason
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"Do I need more vers"

signal plover
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"hey I'm clap spamming and losing threat"

uneven mason
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I legit have a DK in my guild who refused to take some 226 legs because they were "not his best stats" and continued to wear his 207s

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(β•―Β°β–‘Β°οΌ‰β•―οΈ΅ ┻━┻

signal plover
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Well your guild is

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Well we know all about your guild

uneven mason
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yeah a work in progress

signal plover
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Well put

plush tendon
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He obviously didnt do the math. 226>207

uneven mason
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Yeah

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I'm starting to break through tho

plush tendon
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and thats not even a minor loss. I can understand a 223>226 in some cases, but thats like 19 I levels

jagged pier
uneven mason
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I like, repeat it any time their is a discussion about gear and "optimal stats"
"If you don't take ilvl you don't get HP, if you don't take HP, you die (and if you're dead a lot I'll start benching)"

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Living = the greatest DPS boost of all

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especially now that we're hitting bosses where taking damage is unavoidable

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Hungering prog again tonight ><

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Good news is, my sadpanda WW monk has his VDH up to 210ilvl already to replace our Paladin tank next week.

wanton harness
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I'm getting absolutely pummeled by 2nd pull in DoS and pull before ardenweald (+18-19), anyone got a VoD i could watch to see some movement patterns?

elfin nova
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Kick shadowcore

lofty widget
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are you kiting?

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shadowguard melees truck

plush tendon
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those pulls are super scary

lofty widget
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or whatever theyre called

wanton harness
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kiting after block and wall is down

lofty widget
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if youre not in melee then shadowcore is going through

elfin nova
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It's the caster pulls or am i cooked

lofty widget
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which is a dps problem

uneven mason
elfin nova
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Shadowcore will hit you for like half your hp

uneven mason
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like, use intervene + leap to get out of town

wanton harness
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i feel i cant interrupt shit

lofty widget
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you dont need to

uneven mason
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shadowcore

wanton harness
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cuz i have to keep running after my initial cds are down

uneven mason
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is the big one

elfin nova
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You can't interrupt it all

lofty widget
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dps can get all

uneven mason
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DPS needs to not be crap

wanton harness
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:<

uneven mason
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survival on tough pulls is 90% DPS not being flipperhanded monkies

lofty widget
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i usually reflect+kick then kite and let dps handle the rest

wanton harness
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in +15s the trash is usually dead

uneven mason
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Like, popping all of your defensives then save SR For when you leap out

wanton harness
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but in these higher ones they live too long for me to handle i think

uneven mason
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because they'll bolt you as your run

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you can legit just LoS Back down the stairs and get ut of casting range

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what cov are you?

urban tusk
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So, I got a question for my understanding...
Due to this Discord I learned that prot isn't really a scaling spec. Still it is quite often bad in the beginning of an expansion and starts to rise over the course of patches.
Is that because the spec is poorly designed and needs a lot of systems and adjustments, while still running in the danger of either being very undertuned or quite broken?

wanton harness
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nightfae

uneven mason
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Wat?

wanton harness
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i usually blow AA, ravager initally

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stay until block is down

uneven mason
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or just avatar + pop it to try and finish them off.

lofty widget
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does AA knock down unstunable mobs too?

uneven mason
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Some

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the big dude no

lofty widget
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aye

uneven mason
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in that pack

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but he should be dead before your CDs fade

lofty widget
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would be sick if it did

uneven mason
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are your DPS not focusing him πŸ˜›

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it can on some

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but not that one

wanton harness
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so i usually do this: charge, revenge, block, demo, AA, ravager

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as an opener on those packs

uneven mason
wanton harness
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k

uneven mason
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BFA we were only weak in situations where rocks were involved

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BUt for SL, our base kit is extremely strong

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I legit don't get your mentality when prot was literally used in the WF kill of Mythic Sire

mental scarab
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Them rocks in Tol Dagor hurt

tacit smelt
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Also the shooters were unblockable until blizz fixed it

uneven mason
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Yeah "ranged physical attacks"

patent osprey
uneven mason
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I think it would be amazing if Raider.io blacked out the top 200 "tanks" for the first month of an expansion and see how things played out.

patent osprey
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why block me out @uneven mason T_T

uneven mason
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its past the first month

mental scarab
merry quail
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Is Draven the best soulbind for prot warrior In m+ guys?

mental scarab
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@patent osprey knows the waydeswind

uneven mason
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but basically this "prot is weak" mentality comes from the early kiting dominated

uneven mason
mental scarab
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Any videos of warriors doing 23+ keys on youtube or something btw?

uneven mason
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just ask @urban tusk

mental scarab
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Wonna se hoe they tankπŸ€₯

polar hamlet
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Nerftank maybe ?

patent osprey
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πŸ˜… I may have a yt channel...

mental scarab
uneven mason
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Nerftank running warrior in keys because they needed a break from VDH, apperntly its narcolepsy inducing

deep steppe
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Plka is Kyrian now? I missed this memo ❀️

uneven mason
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Plka will make full circle back to Venthyr

deep steppe
patent osprey
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I will actually play venthyr again

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cause im a dps main πŸ™‚

boreal merlin
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@patent osprey I love your channel!! Keep coming out with the vids man they help a lot!

patent osprey
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next tier

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❀️

mental scarab
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Come to the blue sideyep

uneven mason
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I wanna go back, but I can't quit my blue glittery crack

mental scarab
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@deep steppe Yea watching now😬

tacit smelt
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Speaking of Nerf on his warrior, area52 leader board was close for warrior until this man came back greenbear There goes the #1 dream

hollow silo
deep steppe
tacit smelt
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Ikr

polar hamlet
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Lmao look at the amount of keys runned by nerftank vs plka.

uneven mason
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Nerf plays VDH normally

deep steppe
uneven mason
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legit #1 tank

polar hamlet
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Ye

uneven mason
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"Tank"

polar hamlet
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Just "quickly" ran some keys and took #1 warrior spot

strong forum
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Well yeah

mental scarab
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@patent osprey your keys are so smoothwadner wish i had dps who can interupt like that

uneven mason
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his team was the same

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just his warrior swapped

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more or less

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keys at that level are so much about your DPS/healer utility

polar hamlet
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Ye

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He got all his gear trough raid ?

uneven mason
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tanks are there to initiate the pull and have the mobs in the right spot hah

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may be

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IDK I haven't checked his gear.

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But I'd assume so

strong forum
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Pvp / raid

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Boes

cloud tide
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should warrior tank be in slg trinket group or dps?

uneven mason
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wat

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oh depends

signal plover
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Heraldry?

jagged pier
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u should run it yes

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its extra vers

uneven mason
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I mean, being in the group with 4 other SLG trinkets would be pretty amazing

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big stronk

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or are you asking should you give it up for another DPS?

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nah, fuck them, make em work for their parse, pipes

deep steppe
uneven mason
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makesure you're getting the WF buff too

mental scarab
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200 ivl hast pvp trinket or the 194 hymnal?

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If i can Ask

uneven mason
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yes?

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whats the other trinket

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because both of them are good

mental scarab
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Sire dps one

uneven mason
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hymnal I wanna say

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but thats close

mental scarab
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Aha

uneven mason
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haste for defensive

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you'd have to sim it

mental scarab
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Okejpeepostudy

atomic schooner
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Guys can anyone advise me a combat text for a blockable damage?

patent osprey
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Else dps don't kick Xd

mental scarab
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Okej so its same as meweird

modern brook
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Kicks are voice activated anyways

uneven mason
wanton harness
thick pond
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what to upgrade first? wall or reprisal?

uneven mason
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reprisal

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wouldn't go past 225 though, soul ash cost doubles for that last 10 ilvls

modern brook
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If you raid at all walls a better investment imo

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but its sucha doesnt matter that it doesnt matter

uneven mason
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haven't touched TW since I got reprisal tbh

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I might use TW for Artificer prog tho

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handy for Glyphs

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since they big kaboom ouch

plush tendon
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yea, Glyphs hurt

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give big boo boo 😦

uneven mason
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iirc SW can be brought around fast enough

plush tendon
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sucks I was BDK on that fight, but I had to save AMS to clear traps cause we only had 1 other DK

uneven mason
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if running AM

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that is big ouch

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when I was running my alt BDK in there

plush tendon
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so I ate that Gylph raw : ^)

uneven mason
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bet that was quite the death strike

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perfect use for vamp I guess

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10% - full

plush tendon
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took me 5 mins to get back to the boss 😦

uneven mason
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bigger ouch

plush tendon
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that fight is really good for blood though; spent a lot of time just doing seeds

uneven mason
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ask a Spriest to grip you next time

plush tendon
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I would.... if we had one XD

uneven mason
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or disc priest

plush tendon
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all we have are boomies

uneven mason
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(I wish I had a disc priest)

plush tendon
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I dont think we had our disc priest for that fight

uneven mason
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but my Spriest is like #1 on our damage ><

plush tendon
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yea, Shadow is great for the first couple of bosses in Mythic

chilly brook
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Shadow is great period tbh

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Like dummy single target damage

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Only not that great on a fight like SLG

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But even Sun King they're great because they destroy the only mechanic that matters

uneven mason
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moar guardians

chilly brook
uneven mason
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we'll see

chilly brook
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Their boss damage is insane

uneven mason
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yup

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I miss my feralboi

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ST damage just "WTF" levels

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but "child" had to happen so he's taking a break until like august

chilly brook
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Oof

plush tendon
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Child boss is rough, but completely avoidable damage

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and the loot sucks

uneven mason
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also lost one of my boomkins, he's back home..over in like...europe somewhere until June

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Roster boss beating me

chilly brook
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Oof what days do you raid?

left ibex
chilly brook
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The crit one?

plush tendon
uneven mason
signal plover
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The ol long ass break schedule

chilly brook
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Emeni is better

uneven mason
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I didn't make it ><

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I'd prefer something more like W - F - M

signal plover
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3 day boomer

uneven mason
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but yeah its so odd having all those days off

chilly brook
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Also itd just be better to not be Necro tbh

uneven mason
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or even W - F

left ibex
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and which final conduit of emeni is best on slg fight?

chilly brook
uneven mason
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you're not doing mythic atm?

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on break?

young oasis
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What you think about socketing full versatility for SLG Mythic? I'm on adds

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instead of going bolster

plush tendon
chilly brook
uneven mason
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o ok

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DM meh your bnet

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cause I'll probably be short tonight again

young oasis
chilly brook
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Its attached to my profile

uneven mason
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sounds liek work

chilly brook
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Lol

young oasis
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vers is 14%

uneven mason
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I don't think swapping sockets is going to make any difference

sweet summit
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secondary stat distribution will not make or break your survivability in mythic raids

uneven mason
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AM + reprisal for SLG makes like, mondo sense to me

plush tendon
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could probably run ravager also

young oasis
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was messing around with logs until now, but now want to get as tanky as fuck and finish this fucking tier

uneven mason
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That fight is made for Reprisal

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100% block uptime

young oasis
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was using Reprisal on Sludge

chilly brook
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I mean

young oasis
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but I did grave mistake

uneven mason
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sludge is super hard to maximize reprisal on

chilly brook
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You're not wiping on SLG because you're not tanky enough lol

sweet summit
blazing condor
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i feel like sludge would be kind of easy tbh

chilly brook
sweet summit
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thats not even remotely true

uneven mason
young oasis
uneven mason
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πŸ˜„

young oasis
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and any SB uptime is good

chilly brook
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Let your cotank move in after stomp then charge

uneven mason
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You can intervene during SW

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saves the healers mana

chilly brook
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And the intervene cotank tell him you're doing it

uneven mason
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he can click it off too

chilly brook
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And have an intervene cancel macro

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Ezpz

uneven mason
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/cancelaura

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just bind that to every button

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for yoru cotank

young oasis
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But I make mega mistake. I had Blood Scale binded, and I accidently pressed bind, without knowing its equiped. Was about to use Phial. It fucked up my log 😦

uneven mason
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So back to SLG

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AFAIK

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You not having meme vers stacking isn't why your raid will wipe

modern brook
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If you're ever at a point where you're looking at your tanks stat prioty cause of a raid wipe you're about 40 miles east of where you should be.

uneven mason
modern brook
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honestly

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If you're ever inspecting your tank for any reason other than to look at their mog you're making a mistake

uneven mason
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Unless you know

modern brook
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Nah

uneven mason
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they're a VDH

modern brook
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If your tanks causing wipes: find a new tank

uneven mason
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and not on the healing meters

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oh yeah that.

modern brook
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the role is braindead, especially this far into he tier

uneven mason
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Is that what I'm doing wrong, too many wrinkles in the grey?

modern brook
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ur just too smart man

uneven mason
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I overthink buttons

modern brook
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I'm an absolute Ooker tbh

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I'll be at 20% and be like "oh yeah im supposed to shield block

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Gold parse btw tho

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but thats why i dont raid tank :^)

uneven mason
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I started doing that

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reprisal brain

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SLAP REVENGE

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its why I couldn't be venthyr anymore

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was pumping condemn

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not blocking, which is bad at 197 ilvl on lady D

patent osprey
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I just can't ever raid tank

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I get too bored

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I just want to smash

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PARSELORDX

plush tendon
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I get bored when im not tanking

modern brook
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actual photo of me at my desk playing Prot war Raid tank

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strong forum
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me RL and parsing as tank

modern brook
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hang on ima make it better

short kiln
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raid tanking

chilly brook
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Just sayin

sweet summit
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tru just press condemn

modern brook
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ive improved it

unknown.png
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@ionic fern plz pin my cheat sheet to this class ^

strong forum
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execute is missing

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smh

modern brook
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SMH

sweet summit
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condemn where

modern brook
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if ur playing warrior and need a guide to tell you to execute idk what to say tbh

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also: i made it in 20s in mspaint cut me some slack :^(

strong forum
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:dab:

sweet summit
patent osprey
modern brook
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I got the warrior brain

strong forum
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turn off dmg numbers

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ez fix

modern brook
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spent a solid minute trying to figure out what the fuck prpt stood for

patent osprey
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my bad :)

modern brook
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nono not shaming you for the typo

patent osprey
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large hands, tiny phone

modern brook
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shaming me for the small, aerodynamic brain

strong forum
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protection ruling perpetually tanklists

crude heath
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Prot on the up? 10 percent damage reduction feels pretty awesome

uneven mason
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I mean, since all the tanks got the same thing

strong forum
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everybody got 10% besides vdh, so nothing much changed

remote hawk
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Forget to equip my Bss trinket and dis not even notice I needed it doing some 15s

uneven mason
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especially since VDH being meta had 0 to do with damage reduction

crude heath
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Prot also got the DPS boost too recently, though

uneven mason
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yeah

strong forum
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prot is defo very very strong

uneven mason
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we be bricks

short kiln
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I suspect it was the reprisal rework which led to the influx of them.

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it brought me here for sure

strong forum
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but every tank is very strong besides maybe pally and bdk

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maybe

uneven mason
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reprisal addressed a lot of the QoL issues (read: idiot proofing) that prot faces

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BDK is crazy in raid tho

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so, thats a compromise

patent osprey
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I suspect that even without the tank buffs, nerf would still be almost 3k with prot if he played it at the start of expac maybe even higher ^.^

uneven mason
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and Paladin is crazy damage

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I suspect, that nerf could probably 3k io with whatever the hell his team decided on playing

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except for possibly...paladin

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because paper is paper

crude heath
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Oh damn, my friends are trying to convince me to stop playing ret and switch to prot on horde alts

uneven mason
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mmm....

crude heath
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hopefully it's viable

uneven mason
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I mean if you're doing just +15s

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any tank can do that without problems

ionic fern
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"Viable" is a stupid word.

uneven mason
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and I overstate paladins squishyness

strong forum
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every tank is capable of doing 25s.

uneven mason
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its a small gap

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and yeah "Viable" is a trigger word

strong forum
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the question is can you do 25s

uneven mason
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High keys so much less about the tank, more about how much damage you can produce as a group

strong forum
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not the class

short kiln
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Where is the line at key level where it really becomes more about how fast you can kill things vs how long you can stay alive?

ionic fern
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No magic line. πŸ™‚

short kiln
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generally? 20s?

strong forum
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much earlier

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i think

short kiln
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I guess I'm trying to feel out if it's above 15 or 10. LOL

strong forum
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if you have shit DPS you can find yourself struggling even in 15s

uneven mason
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I can tank a +17 till I'm blue in the face

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but if DPS can't kill shit fast enough

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your DPS have to be on the spot

short kiln
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that tracks

dusky mica
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I love how this number goes up

uneven mason
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in those situations a paladin might be preferred because they can carry a LOT Of extra amage

short kiln
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I mean, it's not uncommon for me to exceed one of the DPS on the meters, especially in pugs

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when I'm beating two of them there's a real issue

uneven mason
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yup, which is sadly not uncommon

short kiln
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LOL. I mean, I mentioned it for a reason...

inland raft
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Whats a good haste value in m+ at 23% right now but starting to feel lack of vers in keys since not bothering with pvp on a alt

uneven mason
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what level of keys?

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I mean, vers stacking is meme

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but if you can do it without sacrificing ilvl

inland raft
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17-18 right now just take it to alt keys

patent osprey
uneven mason
#

Well, Plka you're like "Strange Math" in physics right

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when you get to extremes the normal laws no longer apply

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like fluids that ignore gravity

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but yeah 18 you could probably start adhering to the Plka school of quantum Mythics

heady plaza
#

What's the typical team dps necessary for finishing 18s? I feel like I am not pulling big enough and even with no wipes, my team can't finish the dungeon in time

uneven mason
#

whats your team?

heady plaza
#

I only have a consistent mm hunter and disc priest. We pug the last two spots

patent osprey
#

depends on key and affixes. Can't really look at dps and say thats the reason

uneven mason
#

18s you're going to have to find some real pumpers

heady plaza
#

Ya I feel like my sanguine management isn't the best when pulling big

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So I get hesitant for that

inland raft
#

Sanguine is a group effort

chilly brook
#

Eh sanguine is almost completely avoidable as a tank

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Not really group

uneven mason
#

rebind S

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πŸ˜„

chilly brook
#

Unless it's a caster that cant be kicked

heady plaza
#

Been watching @patent osprey vids and your pulls are so different from quazzi and others that I find online

chilly brook
#

Then you need help

inland raft
#

Can kite a lot but need group to do kicks and knocks

jagged pier
uneven mason
#

#returngagorder

jagged pier
#

☝️

chilly brook
#

It's still largely a tank affix

heady plaza
#

Do people normally still run the normal mdt routes for pushing 18s or does it start to change a bit

jagged pier
#

i run my own rotues

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🀷

uneven mason
#

some routs change

chilly brook
#

If you know something is gonna die, dont tank it on a caster

uneven mason
#

like you can trigger prideful and then do a mongo pull with the buff, but the MDT ones will work

patent osprey
uneven mason
chilly brook
inland raft
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Making your own routes will lead you to success more then usinf others anyways, maybr not ay first but over time youll fond what works for you

uneven mason
#

"kill the dude with the unkickable shit first"
*Kills every other mob directly under it"
Well guess we're standing here for a bit ain't we.

inland raft
#

Pug boomie uses trees at end of pull

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Always bis

uneven mason
#

I specced into menace just for this

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my favorites are the mages who frost nova

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😑

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or are frost and keep rooting crap

inland raft
#

I gd a mage do that in ardeanwald las night not once, or twice, but 3 times

heady plaza
#

Hmm gotcha. I'll try to design routes and test them out

uneven mason
#

you have MDT yes?

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you can just sit there and fiddle with it for hours

inland raft
#

β€œYou were running i thought you needed help”. No i was moving for sanguine

uneven mason
#

Oh, I had a better one - a UDK who kept gripping mobs back to him when I was running out of sanguine rather than following

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so many healing ticks for no reason

patent osprey
#

i tried menaced, and its just kinda ass

inland raft
#

What do you even say to them? They are well meaning trying to be a group player

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Just oblivious

deep steppe
uneven mason
#

Move targets cast bar under your feet, look at your feet

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I think that was repeated at least 50 times during sire HC progression

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"Look at your feet"

deep steppe
#

^

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my favorite was

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"Just fucking move"

uneven mason
#

I said that too

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when we lost 5 people to massacre

deep steppe
#

^

uneven mason
#

Fuck DPS just move

grand drum
#

whats your dps in dungeons with reverb@patent osprey

amber herald
#

I wish menace was just a knockback

uneven mason
#

me too

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actually I wish crackling thunder worked like that anima power

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"Thunderclap pulls up to 3 targets within 20 yard to you"

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give me a reason to press that button

patent osprey
#

uh depends on dung

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4.5? avg?

jagged pier
#

☝️

ionic fern
#

With Reverb? o.o

patent osprey
#

yeah

uneven mason
#

Don't stop now, this is kiting country

patent osprey
#

im specced heavy verse though

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if I was heavy haste could be more

deep steppe
#

This is where Mwahi comes in with his 8.7k dps

patent osprey
#

im also kiting alot

uneven mason
#

tbh Plka is doing keys where if he stops to reverb he might die outside of SW

jagged pier
#

dont use reverb that much, but from what ive since in a dungeon, it only does like 200-400 more dps in a key

ionic fern
#

I'm a feral main now.
Idk what Warrior is.

patent osprey
#

wait...

deep steppe
patent osprey
#

were talking reverb..

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sorry

ionic fern
#

Yes.

patent osprey
#

i thought we were talking repirsal

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im dumb

ionic fern
#

4.5k is like Reprisal damage.

patent osprey
#

5.0 - 5.2 in like 23/24 mists

uneven mason
patent osprey
#

i dont run reverb on any other key than mists

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dafuq calls it reverb

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i call it seismic

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yall nuts

uneven mason
strong forum
#

mic beration

ionic fern
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I always liked the idea of Feral but i suck at it.

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So i play easy things like Prot warriors.

uneven mason
#

Feral is fun

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more fun than rogue

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could be because you can bear

inland raft
#

Im just a dps main that has somehow been made into a tank main by my friends

uneven mason
#

when you get bored of bleeding things

uneven mason
inland raft
#

All started with sure ill tank for you guys since cant find one

uneven mason
#

I was fury in TBC and then my guild split and both the tanks left.

strong forum
#

"You either die to shit tanks, or become the shit tank yourself"

ionic fern
#

I became a tank due to que times and easier access to pugs

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πŸ˜‚

short kiln
#

For me it was totally queue time concerns

uneven mason
short kiln
#

LOL

patent osprey
#

Im tanking... because I couldn't find groups as a dps T_T

short kiln
#

plus, don't like being told what to do. LOL

strong forum
#

back in cata i started by doing "rent a tank" for dungeons and queues

uneven mason
#

cata is when they introduced the tank bag iirc

inland raft
#

I just wanna play momentum havoc and listen to music

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Instead i ended up vengeance with a prot alt

uneven mason
#

I miss the old tank bags

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that had pets and mounts in them

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I got 2 proto drakes and a rare ass slime pet that sold for 15k

amber herald
#

I tank because dps rotations are too complicated and I can't be arsed

grand drum
#

I miss memebeam havoc

inland raft
#

At least with reprisal i can pretend im momentum

uneven mason
amber herald
#

it is what it is

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I came back to the game from cata this expac and ...

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fuck that

inland raft
#

Dps specs are generally spam one or two buttons and occasionally hit a cd

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Game is mad simple which is partially its success

amber herald
#

my preferred spec is ele shaman though, which in cata had a proc and a builder and that was it

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and now it's got priority lists within priority lists

uneven mason
#

lol shaman DPS "Hope you like buttons, because you have 8, before talents"

inland raft
#

Guides make things seem more complicated then they are

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A lot if times its very intuitive the guides are just wordy to explain what ends up feeling natural even if just picking up class

grand drum
sharp belfry
#

Hey guys, wanna try tanking more in 15-20 keys, coming from fury. Gear is sadly 22 haste and only 10% vers and 32 mastery , schould i switch some lower itemlvl gear for more vers? not sure if im gonna survive the higher keys with that low vers

ionic fern
#

You could run full mastery and be fine in 15-20 keys.

lofty widget
#

play your highest ilvl, vers aint gonna save you

inland raft
#

Only yhing that really trucks warrior is magic damage or bleeds, magic damage is largely stoppable

ionic fern
#

Bleeds are largely kitable.

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So you're gucci.

inland raft
#

And the stuff that cant be stopped you can use cds and maybe us ip to smooth it out for the healer

amber herald
#

play dwarf and be smug

sharp belfry
#

its like a completly new game trying to learn from tanknotes all the skills and packs, where i need to kite more

inland raft
#

True dwarf master race

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Dwarf kyrian

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What is a bleed?

sharp belfry
#

is therre any beneefit for prot sim provides besides dpssims?

lofty widget
#

no

inland raft
#

Sadly im an orc for classic nostalgia purposes, race changed from blood elf and tmogged the aq set to look like every classic warrior

sharp belfry
#

so gearing is more like get as much haste and vers as possible? with the highest itlvl

inland raft
#

Highest ilvl and then if have a choice haste vers

sharp belfry
#

ty gonna try some 15s first, are there some prot warri streamer, with good commentary for reference? πŸ™‚

uneven mason
#

Plka

gloomy cradle
#

plka and sense

lofty widget
#

theres a few linked in the faq

uneven mason
#

Nom if you enjoy frenchwords

gloomy cradle
#

nerf plays some warrior as well

tender oak
#

Ahhhhh life is pain this character has literally never gotten accepted into a m+ group. Time to gear as tank instead

uneven mason
tender oak
#

Need a lego as well

uneven mason
#

nah, prot is stronk, go nekked

inland raft
#

Signet as a tank and randomly bladestorm

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Bis

uneven mason
#

☝️

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what I did the first 2 weeks of tanking

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in raid even

sharp belfry
#

do we still nlock and parry in bladestorm? ^^

lofty widget
#

you do

uneven mason
#

yeah all defensive stuff works

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you just can't press any other offensive buttons

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you can Demo shout during BS

tender oak
#

Oh really? I thought getting a random bladestorm in a large pull was just insta death

gloomy cradle
#

nah

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is gud

inland raft
#

Its pretty great on like 15 weekly keys, though id think seismic better there still? Idk my prot just an alt so dont have a lot if leggos to play around with

hot oxide
#

sigh

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just did a +6 Mist

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when i walk out with 3-4k dps and 2 dps are below me, it's disheartening

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missed timer by like 1 kill

inland raft
#

I mean 3-4k is high for a 6 key especially nowadays when often its people on their fresh 60 normal dungeon geared alts

uneven mason
#

you can time +6s on fresh 60s

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so...

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but 3-4k is solid

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keep doing it!

inland raft
#

Wel ta i started doing 14s day i hit 60 on prot since i run with an amazinf healer but just saying that dps is often high for that key range so hard to be the meteic but if failed key then ya disheartening

hot oxide
#

yeah, didn't have that bad comp group either. Fury warr, frost mage and outlaw rogue

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i just think my dps shouldn't even be close or above any DPS

inland raft
#

When i run alt keys with my group im often top fps in like 8-10s it really depends on their gear

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And often we just hit 60 and jump straight to 10-15s to get them geared at like 150 ilvl so if it was a bunch of alts it wouldn’t be surprising

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Warrior also pumps

tender oak
#

Man I really have to get a group to play with, I am just stuck looking for groups for hours and hours on end. This character has yet to be accepted into a single m+ group sadge

hot oxide
#

are you doing it as a tank?

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i have no issues, and I'm not on IO either

inland raft
#

Do it as a tank and when you spot a good player hit them up

tender oak
#

Nah dps, which is why I need to swap over cause this is just hell

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But I dont have the confidence to tank so it is pretty whatever

inland raft
#

But ive been playing with same group of friends for years

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So maybe not best person yo advise but that’s generally a good way

remote hawk
#

Thing is ppl still think warriors as kinda bad and when u queue up you should be awarw that another 10-15 players might be queue with meta classes and better ilvl

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So its really tough outthere

uneven mason
#

TFW Fury is close to the #1 melee for M+

signal plover
#

Maybe he's arms

inland raft
#

Yup at start of expansion i was top 10 havoc player in the world timing 19/20s when only a few geoups were doing that but would get declined to 15s in pugs, pugs are hell for non meta

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Now i just tank

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And mainly play with my friends

uneven mason
signal plover
#

I mean I can't think of any other reason why fury wouldn't be taken to keys

inland raft
#

I mean community perception is a hella thing and fury is gaining ground but a lot of groups still arent on board

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Look how long took for ww to catch on despite its insane performance

tender oak
#

I do play fury

remote hawk
#

Ppl are just assholes

hot oxide
#

for night fae, koryn conduit, face your foes...is it just a goof when I read it, or what spells that we use decrease the dmg they inflict on us when we use them?

tender oak
#

But yeah ilvl isnt super high and neither is raiderIO

inland raft
#

First strike baby

tender oak
#

I'm pretty casual honstly just wanna get my keystone master done that is my goal for now more or less

uneven mason
#

for raid tanking, face your foes, just hitting them will trigger the 3% reduction

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don't use face your foes outside of raid tho, (first strike!)

inland raft
#

Just work your io up over time

uneven mason
#

even that

inland raft
#

You got plenty of time for ksm still

uneven mason
#

just wanting to slum it for a +5DoS to maybe get a quick scale to valor up

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and getting declined

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1k raider io fury

tender oak
#

I'm not super super low but still low

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1.2k currently

inland raft
#

1.2k is practically ksm isnt it?

#

What you missing still?

uneven mason
#

"Dude has a +15 completed in DoS, man he might scuff our +5 because he's a fury warrior"

tender oak
#

Literally missing only SD

uneven mason
#

Oh

tender oak
#

Nvm only got a +14 on HoA as well

uneven mason
#

play the "My key" lotto

tender oak
#

Been doing my own key for 3 days now with no luck sadge

uneven mason
#

ew

tender oak
#

Did a spires earlier today that missed time by like 2 seconds and it degraded into a +14 SD

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So that was... fun

inland raft
#

If i had one id run you through rq my group isnt playing today but pretty sure my warriors key is a 17 or 18 top and dh is not sure what level spires havnt played it in a few weeks

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Can always try yo post up for a β€œlf X Key”

tender oak
#

True. Might give it a shot, thanks.

inland raft
#

Just put it up with note to whisper link key and watch tv or something with wow on the side

tender oak
#

Might bench this character and roll a mage or something, pugging as an "off meta" class is just hell when you have 0 friends to play with

inland raft
#

Alternatively i don’t remember the name but @patent osprey knows a streamer whos whole thing is helping people out with keys not sure if that would fit your situation

tender oak
#

Aww got invited to a group and then insta kicked out sadge I almost felt joy there for a brief moment

#

Turns out it was just a missclick inv

torn stump
#

don't feel to bad, most of these fotm dps who get into groups end up throwing the key anyway cause they still terrible players

inland raft
#

Ya pug life is toxic all around

plush tendon
#

Obviously the pugs havnt caught up with the times

inland raft
#

Finding friends to run with will increase your fun a million times over

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Even if you end up a tad below you personal skill level itll be more fun then playjng the group finder game

tender oak
#

Not wrong

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But at the same time

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WTB social skills

torn stump
#

regardless of any other problems with gearing over the years, the vault, and all its previous incarnations are the worst thing they ever added to this game

#

giving people rewards above the skill threshold required to get them is actually insane

inland raft
#

Its multilayered

torn stump
#

it completely removes the incentive to improve as a player

inland raft
#

Giving people gear above their skill level but at same time not rewarding people for their skill level if they dont want to do content dont like

#

Its a mess in both directions

#

Like i haaaaate pvp but did the 2100 grind on dh because otherwise f me right?

modern brook
#

nothing lets people know you're non threatning more than saying kekw.

torn stump
#

tru

gloomy cradle
tender oak
#

Ah yes

#

A man of culture

modern brook
#

"hey girl, it'd be pretty poggers if i could by you a drink"

gloomy cradle
#

pls like me

tender oak
#

Also fuck pvp I wont touch that garbage even though it gives me gear

inland raft
#

Ice veen doing 10 14+ keys every week on dh since m+ came out and if i hadnt pvpd i wouldnt have a 226 weapon

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So def worth but ya hated it

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Hell only got 220 trinkets after valor i had 207 phial for longest time

torn stump
#

twitch culture is like fake toxic, if you grew up playing games in the late 90s and early 2000s, you had to play your best or some kid would flame you for 20 minutes with words im not even sure im allowed to say in discord anymore

#

kids today don't know the pressure

signal plover
inland raft
#

Warrior has had better luck at least

modern brook
#

its all your own perception

tender oak
#

Gear is nice but not big enough a reason to play for me to get me to sit through content I despise just to get it

inland raft
#

Sadly only content i like is m+ but to do m+ at higher level you pretty much are forces to raid and pvp

kindred shadow
#

Speaking of m+ how is prot looking these days in there?

modern brook
#

IDT theres anything in the raid that you need for high keys tbh

inland raft
#

Well this expansion not really i only did heroic to get cheat trinket and called it

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But prior tiers ive def raided to get gear

modern brook
inland raft
#

Luckily my guild is pretty accommodating and if i really want mythic gear theyll take me since i do a lot of keys for them even though i hate raiding

kindred shadow
#

Yeah? Good to hear have been maining fury and looking to off spec prot possibly

inland raft
#

Prob should get myself a mythic cheat trinket but cba to go yo raid

short kiln
#

the only way I get invited to guild raid is as dps so this week I gotta farm up Ash for the Fury ring

#

😦

tender oak
#

Honestly thats a reason why I am kinda thinking of quitting once my sub runs out next month, m+ is more or less the only thing I enjoy pvp is hell and raiding is just a chore

#

Kinda want my KSM before just because my autism demands it keksquad

torn stump
#

if you're just trying to get a good foundation of gear, RBGs to 1600 really isnt bad

#

if you already tank in pve its not a huge jump to target call in rbgs

inland raft
#

Ya just pick someone mainly healers and just call foe them to die

#

You can practically trip your way to 16-1800

torn stump
#

tbh at 1400-1600

#

go for the other war or dk

inland raft
#

True

torn stump
#

snipe their TC and the team falls apart

#

above that you have to be a little more subtle

modern brook
#

target calling is easy

inland raft
#

I did 2100 in 3s on dh then did rbgs to farm honor to upgrade gear and just joined no voice yolo groups and hit 16-1800 range

modern brook
#

if you need to not die, calldps, if you need to clear them, target healers

#

ggwp welcome to 2100

inland raft
#

Its super inflated rating

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In retrospect shoulda just did it all in rbgs

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But was at start of expansion and disnt realize how inflated rbgs were

torn stump
#

theres also a ton more groups sub 1800, so if you're starting out its super quick to just farm your full conq bar in low cr yolos

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then once your full conq gear push for 1600 or whatever

#

if you only want it for pve

plush tendon
#

Side option, buy a carry to 2400 with all the gold you earn from Mythic plus carries

tender oak
#

The way I look at the game currently is that m+ is the content I enjoy doing but pushing higher keys requires me to raid and pvp which I dont enjoy and also I just dont have the skill to m+ above +15 or so or even hc raid. So once I get my KSM I've basicly done everything I can do in the game for now that is within my skill level.

inland raft
#

Alternatively if you have gold can het boosted, a couple guildies of mine boost people to elite/glad and make mad insane gold

plush tendon
#

^^^ this is de way

jagged pier
#

i made 150k today boost dungeons

#

was good money for pressing revenge

gloomy cradle
uneven mason
#

besides like, sire

inland raft
#

only thing hard about sire in pugs is getting them to look at their feet/drop stacks

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granted its a pretty big task

uneven mason
#

also - "where is your butt"

#

"is your butt hanging off a ledge"

light thicket
tender oak
#

Honestly speaking what really prevents me from enjoying the game and potentially getting into raiding/pvp is that I play alone and I dont see that changing. I do not think MMO's are for me in that regard

uneven mason
mellow gorge
#

wooooooo

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vapid tide
#

How do you guys look at last stand and shield wall usage? Do you at it as like a "Oshitbutton" that you press whenever you are close to death. I find myself doing not using the abilities that much in m+ so I feel like I maybe could press it more often.

blazing condor
#

fotm warriors on their way to ruin keys pog

light thicket
mellow gorge
light thicket
#

I became spoiled

mellow gorge
#

i use bolster with 2 shield charges to get 30 second shield block

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and if i am gonna take big dam i will use wall beforehand

#

or just use it if it's a big apck

light thicket
#

Havent pugged a key since early 8.2

mellow gorge
#

since i run the wall i ought to use it

uneven mason
mellow gorge
#

or if you run bolster

#

15s shieldblock

uneven mason
#

Why bolster when you can, Reprisal

mellow gorge
#

cz i like wall

#

i don't like reprisal

uneven mason
#

fair enough

#

wall is good

mellow gorge
#

wall is good.

light thicket
uneven mason
#

I was running AM with TW before reprisal was a thing though, ama

vapid tide
#

ty for the info, very useful

mellow gorge
#

tho it's best to always use em not as an oh shit but as an i'm going to take dam,

light thicket
#

If you run bolster you can use LS just as part of the rotation to keep SB up

uneven mason
#

yup

#

bolster ins't bad, with the conduit its big RPS too

#

TW + UF = megarage

light thicket
#

Yeah but i run pelagos and i really like stalwart guardian and the IP one

uneven mason
#

IP one?

#

If you're pressing IP

#

that means you're not pressing revenge

light thicket
#

The one that adds a percentage of your dmg to ip

uneven mason
#

thus, negating the use of the IP one

#

IDK I never saw it very good since its such a small %

#

6% of your damage to your current IP

light thicket
#

Ye

uneven mason
#

that would be like...if used perfectly on a IP that is always up, less than 200HPS

light thicket
#

Revenging crap all over the place

uneven mason
#

the victory rush one will give you more healing

light thicket
#

My guildies love taking the fking last hits

#

Fking ex dota players

uneven mason
#

I'm taking that into consideration

#

also mouseover execute

#

Brutal vit is just 😱

light thicket
#

About the mouse over attacks

high torrent
#

does anyone have a Intervene/Charge mouseover/target macro?

#

I.e. would use either Mouseover > target ; Friendly > foe

light thicket
#

Does it change your target? Or just throw the binded ability to another trash while keeping your previous target?

uneven mason
#

mine changes target so I don't have to keep holding down my mod key

#

incase it needs a 2nd execute

light thicket
#

Is it a normal one like mouseover target and cast? So i dont ask you to paste it here

uneven mason
#

good because I Can't remember exactly how its setup since I'm at work πŸ˜›

wanton quest
modern brook
#

Mouse over does not by itself change your target

young oasis
#

SLG Mythic is mega fun as prot warr, with reprisal. Most fun fight until now, by far

uneven mason
#

IDK if I've ever seen SLG Mythic and "Fun" in the same line until now.

mellow gorge
uneven mason
#

Ugh, great, we're on a tier list

wanton quest
light thicket
#

Nerfs incoming

uneven mason
#

Basically

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As soon as someone starts singing our praises, we get revenge damage reduced by 30%

light thicket
#

See? If we kept quiet like when SL was about to release this wouldnt have happened

uneven mason
#

I was quiet

light thicket
#

But ya ll had to say "nah we're fine"

uneven mason
#

I mean, to be fair I was going to be a HDH when SL was in beta

#

but then I decided if I was going to do asstastic damage I might as well play something I enjoy.

light thicket
#

Got tired of pressing buttons huh?

uneven mason
#

all 2 of them

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the GM didn't want 2 warriors

light thicket
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They dont even blade dance now right?

uneven mason
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not below like 4 targets

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could be different now, I haven't run into any

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since uh, SL launched.

light thicket
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All hdh ive seen spam chaos strike non stop

uneven mason
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yup

light thicket
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To get eye beam faster

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Somehow

uneven mason
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more or less

light thicket
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They managed to make the "class memed for being easy on the buttons quantity" even stupider

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Gotta admire that class devs dedication

uneven mason
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I mean, look at BrM

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"2 buttons 2 hard, make 1 button now"

light thicket
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They took the "i wanna press as little as possible and do as much dps as posible" and ran atraight to tge end

rocky patio
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that doesnt sound right from last time i played it

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you use blade dance to proc their legendary

uneven mason
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ah yes, the maintenance buff legendary

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its there literally to force eyebeams more often since its increases the rate which chaos strike refunds fury

rocky patio
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I mean you could call anything a maintenance lego lmao

uneven mason
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??

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You really couldn't

rocky patio
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what legendary do you currently use

uneven mason
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a maintenance buff is something you basically only do, to provide an increase to something else.
Hows the wall a maintenance lego? It reacts naturally with our rotation by pressing shield slam (Something we do anyway)
Reprisal provides sb and rage off of charge and intervene (something we do anyway rotiationally)

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Seismic produces its effect naturally through our rotation

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so wheres the "Maintenance" in that?

rocky patio
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wow the wall lol, the maintenance buff legendary

chilly brook
uneven mason
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wat

chilly brook
uneven mason
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The wall doesn't even provide a buff?

light thicket
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Taw

uneven mason
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Just reduces SW cooldown and rage

chilly brook
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Rend=maintenance button

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The Wall isn't anything close

uneven mason
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This dude probably uses the word "viable" a lot.

rocky patio
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peepostudy rend...maintenance button

chilly brook
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We getting trolled

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I mean it is a maintenance buff

uneven mason
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I think he thinks he's being sincere.

chilly brook
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You literally don't hit it unless its gonna run out

rocky patio
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lol

chilly brook
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Same with deep wounds aka mortal strike in condemn range

light thicket
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So just to see if i got it

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Flame shock would be a maintenance buff?

uneven mason
light thicket
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There to just make lava burst hit harder?

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Ok

uneven mason
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you do it just so it stays there and provides a 2ndary effect

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being crits on LB

rocky patio
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do you think that is somehow bad design

uneven mason
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so the chaos theory lego is maintenance, because you do it only because it provides an additional effect on Chaos Strike

chilly brook
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Did anyone say that?

uneven mason
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not because blade dance is a rotational button.

chilly brook
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Why you shifting the goal posts

uneven mason
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Shifting goalposts, he's playing basketball when I thought we were playing soccer

rocky patio
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lol i never set goal posts I'm trying to understand what they meant when they said maintenance lego

chilly brook
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????

rocky patio
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what are you questioning

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be specific

uneven mason
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You started this by proclaiming that all legos can be maintenance, which leads me to believe you don't know what the word means.

chilly brook
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I'm confused at this point

uneven mason
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but anyway clowning heading out!

rocky patio
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it's called hyperbole my dude

sand condor
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It happened

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I found a group

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No longer shall i pug

light thicket
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Nice

young oasis
light thicket
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Enjoy not having every decision questioned

signal plover
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M SLG is pretty fun tbh. The fight is still kinda meh but it's far from the shitshow it was before the most recent nerfs.

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Our prog has been pretty steady. Closing in on double boss phase this week I hope

high torrent
hexed rune
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hey all, what dps spec do you guys off spec with Kyrian? Arms or fury? is there a significant difference?

hexed rune
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does this help?

high torrent
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Ooh, so if in the second line i change target to also mouseover > it would charge mouseover target else charge my target if it's enemy correct?

hexed rune
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I think so

plucky jacinth
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Can arms play anything but venth

regal fox
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hey guys, what is currently the better legendary for prot warriors in mythic plus?

late rampart
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in m+ use reprisal. It's awesome

regal fox
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so thunderlord aint as great as reprisal i guess?

amber herald
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nope

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because shield block uptime is so valuable

regal fox
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okay cool, thanks a lot!

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and talent wise....do i go 3321233?

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that is the current build i am running

amber herald
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reprisal lets you take anger management instead of bolster on the last tier

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and best served cold instead of booming voice

wanton quest
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is anyone know which invi potion that people are using to skip certain pack in m+

mighty valley
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Hidden Spirit

inland raft
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Potion of the hidden spirit ya

amber herald
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although those talents you have now would be a more defensive build and you could still play it and be viable

wanton quest
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thank you guys β™₯

regal fox
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okay awesome, thanks @amber herald i am going to try it out the way you are suggesting as well to see which is better for me

amber herald
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you want to aim for playing with best server cold and anger management for getting better at the spec

paper venture
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Hey guys, just started raiding with prot as my alt (brew 4/10m), looking to craft The Wall on shoulders since I am going for raiding mostly. Should I get Versa/Haste secondaries?

amber herald
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but the other talents are fine

inland raft
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Bolster isnt even necessarily the more defensive option, you already have nearly full uptime on ahield block with reprisal and with am you get more walls

amber herald
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no disagreements here

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bolsters a bit easier to play with though, and the 40 rage from BV is easier rage management

mighty valley
paper venture
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Thanks πŸ™‚

cloud tide
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guys for single target tanking i should use revenge only when its free?

sweet summit
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revenge is your main offensive rage spender

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so

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if you want to do damage (which you do want to btw) you press revenge regardless of proc or not

cloud tide
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punish or devestator for single target?

sweet summit
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devastator everywhere

cloud tide
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so im doing mythic sire and i just switched to warrior so in this situation when im tanking and boss hits pretty hard i should not use revenge when its not free or i still want damage

sweet summit
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you keep SB up and its mostly fine

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Ignore pain is very weak

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so it wont really save you

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but i guess if it makes you feel safer you can throw some rage into IP

cloud tide
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when should i use ingnore pain

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is it really bad?

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maybe for magic damage?

sweet summit
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you use IP to reduce heavy incoming damage, for example in p3 sire; scorn fucks. so there id use an IP or three

cloud tide
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is p2 damage big?

mighty valley
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IP is also a rage spender off the GCD, so sometimes when rage income is high, you can just press it to avoid overcapping

cloud tide
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i cant tell yet since we are not doing it right

sweet summit
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remornia bleed hurts a bit? inevitable is ouch?
idk i havent tanked mythic sire

mighty valley
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what were you playing before? seems weird to switch to a new tank spec when progging mythic denathrius

cinder nova
patent osprey
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hmmmmm I see alot of purple

halls_24_time.JPG
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and alot of pink in the healer area

torn stump
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half of the page is nerfmeta so really, you're like top 5