protection

[haughty token]

how do I get scale at 200?

[sick sentinel]

7 and above m+

or 4 and above for vault

nvm sorry, 2 and above for vault

you should try and max out your vault. do your own key and if it gets higher than you are comfortable with, downgrade it and repeat

[haughty token]

Is maxing out my vault do all 3 in a horizontal line? Or clearing all 9 of those boxes

[sick sentinel]

i was just referring to the 3 for mythic plus

[haughty token]

kk

[next copper]

It's usually worth it to get your 10 dungeons in a week, if you've got time.

[haughty token]

So would I just find a party running a dungeon, or do I have to join a guild for success?

[next copper]

What key level are you running?

[sick sentinel]

you can try to join groups. Or run a reg and get a key, and form your own.

[haughty token]

Uh, I'm playing with my friends, and we failed (but probably would succeed) at +4 haha...a combo of us all being new players + not knowing the mechanics

We almost beat it tho

[sick sentinel]

You get credit towards the vault even if you don't beat the timer

[haughty token]

Yeah, we got the credit

[sick sentinel]

So yea, just do that or make your own group with your key. And if it gets too high, you just zone in, start the key and zone out and drop it down 1 level until you are comfortable

[haughty token]

Thanks, the key is for the same dungeon rihgt? or does it change

I know that when I get a +1 key its for a different dungeon

[sick sentinel]

It will be for the same dungeon if you drop it down

[haughty token]

but not if it gets upgraded

its rng then?

[sick sentinel]

I think it's possible to get the same dungeon? I'm not sure. But yea it's rng

[haughty token]

So how to progress:

1. Learn all the mythic dungeon mechanics
2. Watch some how to improve at prot guides.
3. Finish vault row.
4. Work on ilvl 200 BiS trinket drops with Valor

[sick sentinel]

Yea that seems good. 4 will be done passively. What ilvl is your weapon/shield?

[haughty token]

194/184

LFR weapon/Mythic 0? Shield

(Should I being farming anima, and renown so I can upgrade my covenant gear to 19X with anima?)

[sick sentinel]

What renown are you?

I think 22 is 197

[haughty token]

31

[sick sentinel]

Then you can focus on anima

the last couple upgrades are like 300 anima per

[haughty token]

So it is worth it? Just so I can do higher mythic

[sick sentinel]

Well you'll be doing your callings anyway for valor right? So just upgrade as you get the anima

Just prioritize anima WQ's for your callings

[haughty token]

Ok. Another question, some of my covenant items are low #/7, do I upgrade those from that point, or is there a way to get a higher version

since [someone] mentioned how it wasnt worth using valor on low ilvl ones, is that true for anima?

[sick sentinel]

Looks like the vendor sells them at whatever rank they are when you get them doing the campaign

so doesn't matter

[haughty token]

ah kk

[sick sentinel]

There is no cap on anima like there is on valor

[versed nexus]

Ok noobish question. I play arms + prot. Is Venthyr Prot horrible? Not planning on tanking anything higher than a 10

[sick sentinel]

If you like Venthyr, stay Venthyr

[versed nexus]

Currently Kyrian, thinking about switching. I raid and do 10+ keys as arms

[mellow gorge]

Venthyr prot isn't bad, great for ST

and is always viable in SD and HoA

if you want to off tank +10's or below then it's perfectly viable

[sturdy sable]

Venthyr is viable in 15s+ as well

[mellow gorge]

everything for 15s is viable

[sturdy sable]

Hence the plus

[mellow gorge]

super sweaty content such as 20+s depends on you and your team and coordination

[versed nexus]

Ok; guess I’m switching. Thanks all

[mellow gorge]

• general draven has one of the best defensive soulbinds to exist

so that's always nice

[haughty token]

Kyrian or Night Fae if your planning on mostly doing Mythic+ prot and PvP Arms?

Seems like those two are the best choices that overlap, but still not sure.

I keep hearing Kyrian is best generalist, but i hear a lot of good things about night fae

and I want one that works the best in both roles (i really wish prot could be played non niche in pvp 😦 )

[languid flower]

For tanking, all the covenants are viable

they will definitely change your playstyle

but you can get them all to work well

[haughty token]

kk

[unique shale]

GO NF

if you are pugging

so you don't have to shout on people to interrupt for you

[languid flower]

you still do - it has a CD

or you could go kyrian and clear your own stacks of whatever

or you could...

all the covenants have their advantage

some work better in certain situations

[unique shale]

all covenants are not good for pugging

necro is not good if you don't have boomy or fire mage to tell them pop cds with banner

[languid flower]

Banner is still useful

[unique shale]

mastery is worse stats of prot war but keke

[languid flower]

mastery isn't much worse than any other stat

otherwise iLvl wouldn't be our first priority

[sick sentinel]

Fleshcraft is also good if you don't have scale

[haughty token]

What's the main thing you lose by switching covenants? renown right? but isnt there catch up?

[languid flower]

also anything you've built

(command table, portals, etc)

if it were just renown, I'd have tried them all out by n ow

but I ain't rebuilding all this shit

[unique shale]

they are not gone so if you go back you still have them plus anima

[floral pewter]

you lose any stored anima

but you can buy stuff from the vendor, switch, then sell it back to transfer anima to your new covenant

[unique shale]

since when

?

[floral pewter]

since always, afaik

[unique shale]

i didn't lose mine

[floral pewter]

I lost mine when I swapped yesterday, so...

[unique shale]

if you go back you still have your anima

[floral pewter]

right

but you don't take it with you

[unique shale]

y

[haughty token]

Hm such a hard choice :/

can i experience the drust questline if i swap to nf?

[green fjord]

is wowhead safe to follow for talents on raid

[lofty widget]

yes, swapping AM for bolster if you feel that you need the extra block uptime

[unique shale]

i used to get bolster for sire hc but now nah am work too

[green fjord]

doing an alt night and im tanking for like the first time so

gonna be interesting

[unique shale]

rotation and shield reflect are important thing you should know

[green fjord]

mmmmm

fuck

[unique shale]

otherwise you will have rage issues or feeling Squishy

[green fjord]

well i know not to just spam sheild block

use it intelligently

do i not use revenge much

thunder clap on cd, sheild slam on cd or if it procs

[lofty widget]

revenge is your offensive rage dump, IP is your defensive rage dump so you use accordingly when you feel you can afford to

[green fjord]

kk ty ty

[unique shale]

Opener for Protection Warriors
Generally, you will want to Taunt Icon Taunt as you cast Charge Icon Charge.

Cast Charge Icon Charge.
Cast Avatar Icon Avatar as you Charge.
Cast Shield Block Icon Shield Block.
Cast Shield Slam Icon Shield Slam.
Cast Demoralizing Shout Icon Demoralizing Shout only if Booming Voice Icon Booming Voice is selected.
Cast Thunder Clap Icon Thunder Clap.
Proceed with the appropriate ability priority.

[unique shale]

👆

[green fjord]

well just died twice on council

but ty so much for that

feel like a chicken with my head cut off tanking

literally only tank experience ive ever had is FF14 dark knight levelling dungeons

[green fjord]

what does the icon part mean? or did you just copy and paste that from somewhere that actually had the icron and something weird happened

[unique shale]

it is copy paste

[unique shale]

and you were tanking which boss?

[green fjord]

@unique shale i told the monk to take frieda at start and i took stav and nik. we blew through frieda, i took stav andf nik again. but towards trhe end of friedas health dancers dropped and the RL said to stay still. ended up getting cleaved by like 2-3 dancers while tanking stav and nik and i didnt have cds to save myself so i died there. Then when i got rezzed i taunted nik off monk bc he has 3-4 stacks of riposte. then stav died, we got the gargoyle. i taunted garg as i had too many riposte. the garg ended up just killing me by 20% health bc i didnt have any of my cds

oh and i didnt kite, which i prob should have

[mighty valley]

wait you've never tanked before and you're just getting dropped into mythic council?

oh wait alt night, i see

[stable kernel]

nerf just timed wf warr 25 key

[unique shale]

[stable kernel]

soon meta slaves will add us

[opal salmon]

there a good auto icon marker weak aura?

[muted pendant]

it's the same group that timed wf +25 too

[stable kernel]

yea its his group

[strange rivet]

for prot warrior how do you manage shield block and ignore pain?

[solemn magnet]

Shield block when you're taking physical damage. IP if you're going to cap or literally about to die

[urban portal]

whats the downside of blowing both charges of block

[unique shale]

kiting after it ends if pack is big

or heavy hitting

[noble nacelle]

Do you guys run lightless or celestial

[unique shale]

celestial or sinful if you feel comfortable from not dying

[jagged pier]

sinful isnt very good, only use is in a raid really

lightless does more damage in m+

celestial also does damage but gives defence

but its preference

[modern brook]

The downside is a loss in efficiency

Since mobs arent always punching you in the face if any of the double block duration overlaps with a time of non blockable damage its wasted. Ie: taunt swaps, boss casts, etc

Its also less rage efficient since thats rage that could go into revenge

[stable pawn]

Main a VDH and getting my alt warrior on 14s but seems to be dying too quickly against magic damage especially in DoS (deathspeaker & cultist packs). 212 ilvl. How do you deal with those packs? Blow your CDs?

[blazing condor]

Save shield wall for that pack. You can reflect the first shadowcore and interrupt the second. Then you just gotta hope the rest of ur pug interrupts

[subtle tulip]

So for m+ and in pugs, with Keys at 15s or below, do you deviate from standard pathing? I was trying to skip the middle pack before the third boss in PF, my pug did not like that.

[gaunt crane]

tank is boss 😄

[stable pawn]

Thanks @blazing condor

[weak dune]

the problem is that pull often takes like 1min cause no one has cds

you could try skipping that pack and doing the enraged spirit then come back for it when dps cds are up

@stable pawn

[blazing condor]

I think ideally youd just bl first pack and not commit all cds

Then just cd burst the 2nd pack

First pack isnt really that bad

[weak dune]

maybe but pugs will always pop every cd with lust, whereas in organized groups you'll have boomie save for 2nd pack etc

[subtle tulip]

Do you guys kite the first pack in DoS? Or just sit there and face tank the enrage?

[blazing condor]

I can face tank pretty much 90% of it then i usually leap and kite a little bit when i notice i take damage

Its usually pretty fine with LS up

[polar flame]

Could I get some tips for sanguine? I'm starting to get into 7+s and I feel like I'm wasting my groups time by having 1 or 2 up that just don't move

just did a NW 7 twice and it happened both times

[blazing condor]

Make sure to be proactive so when you see mobs are about to die try and pull the mobs out. Some casters need to be interrupted mid cast for them to move and some will need help from pug with ways to displace them. Worst case you can always leap far away and out-range something out of the pools but thats a bit wonky

Sanguine isnt completely 100% the tanks job and a dps should help get shit out if necessary.

[polar flame]

Ahh okay, that's a bit more comforting to know. I'll give the 'moving right before they die' thing a try since what I've been doing (unsuccessfully) is just moving constantly and it's making dps also run around in circles/get chaotic

[mighty valley]

There are a few affixes where it's good to get in the habit of noticing when enemies are about to start dying

[polar flame]

yeah, I'm still playing a bit reactively, and sometimes slow

[subtle tulip]

Also learn the line of sight spots, it will pull the casters and stack em.

In Sanguin its important 🙂

[mighty valley]

You can try stunning very low enemies who are gonna die to cleave/dots and then move the rest away

[polar flame]

damn I hadn't thought of that, might be a bit harder since shockwave just hits all? Is that waht you're getting at? like stun the ones who are low so they all drop the puddles where they are and just move the rest

[mighty valley]

are you running Storm Bolt?

[polar flame]

nope

[mighty valley]

it's pretty good!

[polar flame]

I've been running double time for the reprisal, but I think if I have another stun heavy dungeon, I'll change and go with it!

[polar flame]

and yeah, I don't think I know enough of the spots yet. The gauntlet is also messy for me xD

[blazing condor]

But all in all just play enough and you’ll get experience with the affix and how to handle it so im sure it’ll be no problem for you 🙂

[mighty valley]

if you really trust the people you're running with to CC, storm bolt isn't necessary, but in pugs i wouldn't want to run without it

[polar flame]

okies! yeah I'll give everything said here a shot 👍 sure it'll be fine soon enough

thanks guys!

[remote hawk]

what NF tree are ppl running ? I kinda really like Niya atm Seen ppl going between her and Korayn

[unique shale]

Korayn is good for aggro against big pumpers

[remote hawk]

I can see that. tho not really had any probs yet unless ppl just go ham before i even put down a tclapo

[next ridge]

Is it worth changeing to NF is you are kyrian?

[sweet summit]

that's up to you mate

do you think its worth?

do you prefer higher dps rather than a tether and phial?

[inland raft]

I went from nf to kyrian for covenant diversity and 100% if you dont nees the diversity in group id go nf

Big dam

And locking down caster packs on non-dr stun

[fleet river]

Kyrian is the more defensive option

Also if you raid there are a few raid debuffs that being able to phial off is a big deal

[noble nacelle]

Ehhhhhhhhh

Sure the phial on some bleeds are nice

But any of the important bleeds cannot be phialed

[woven galleon]

Go be a NF dwarf! You get the best of both worlds! 👍

[stable kernel]

phial in m+ is pretty nice

[inland raft]

Aa is pretty nice too

Makes the dos packs not nearly as scary

[fleet river]

my mythic group doesn't have any paladins and my other tank doesn't have a lot of experience, so for example on huntsman i let the p1 bleed stack up to 4 on myself and phial it off instead of having to swap around

its not required at all but it is a usable raid cd

beats soulshape in terms of raid utility 👽

[lone turret]

Any tips for getting in more uses of reprisal??

[fleet river]

its pretty simple. charge, revenge, intervene, revenge, then maybe shockwave so you can run away to get back to charge range, charge, revenge

toss in some IP to avoid capping rage

i use a macro for charge/intervene so it is all one button but its nothing special

[lone turret]

So just run in snap threat and then keep range??

[fleet river]

/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead] Intervene; Charge```

i mean, you have shield block up

there is no reason to ensure you dump 3 reprisals into every pack

you can just charge in, revenge, do normal stuff

use your 2 shield block charges

if you need more then get fancy with reprisal

[lone turret]

Okay thanks :)

[remote dawn]

But the reprisal give Rage and revenge free sooo i make reprisal before normal shit

[ionic nimbus]

1. trigger CD from SB, so it can recover.. otherwise you waste this CD, 2. trigger reprisal to get free Rage and Revenge...

[remote dawn]

Ye i think this know every

[tender oak]

Would NF or Kyrian be the better choice if you wanna play both fury and protection?

[plush tendon]

[tender oak]

[sterile moss]

hakkar's scale

anima field emitter

depending on the situation, Kaelthas's cheat death trinket may be useful

Stone Legion Heraldry is solid

otherwise, some dps trinkets are good for dps

[subtle tulip]

Still no scale

rip

[prisma canopy]

So necrolord is just a bait right?

[stable kernel]

i accidently swapped back to necro

and i'm disliking it a lot

[timid sand]

necro is bait?

so kyrian or NF for mythic plus tanking?

i already have a kyrian DH tanking 19s

[gentle oak]

Best case scenario you give 4% increase to your raid members on a 5 min fight, which is more than other covenants give you

But its quite a hustle to do it properly and to not give it to the other raid tank is sometines impossible (sludgefist)

Im doing the ultimate prep for 9.1, 4 covenants 40 renown, since they change it on a fucking whim

[distant crystal]

necro if you want to be a moonkin slave

[sweet summit]

hpo slave

@ max

[distant crystal]

h...p...o?

wut

[sweet summit]

hippo

[distant crystal]

🤔

[sweet summit]

[distant crystal]

i love inside jokes

i hope to be a part of one some day

[sweet summit]

x bdgg raider
now pieces raider
boomkin

[distant crystal]

ahh

[sweet summit]

@distant crystal https://twitter.com/Hipposareneat/status/1378418241253543936

hippo (@Hipposareneat)

As if I'd keep my necrolord banner buff in na. He's coming with me. https://t.co/wgYZNux6G7

Twitter · Apr 3, 2021, 6:44 PM

[grand sphinx]

how much better is reprisal than the wall in m+? I kinda hate the whole nonstop jumping and charging and intervening, but if its super significantly better i guess ill deal

[distant crystal]

https://tenor.com/6Kt7.gif

[sweet summit]

its a lot more damage since it allows you to run BSC and AM instead of BV and Bolster

guess its roughly equal defensively? with reprisal being a bit better

[grand sphinx]

alright. and for raids same deal?

[sweet summit]

the wall is mostly used in raids

[prisma canopy]

@gentle oak @distant crystal im guardian for prog right now but rreclearing on war

[sweet summit]

reprisal is very good on fights like council/sludge where you charge often

[prisma canopy]

Considering selling banner to guildys 😂😂😂

[sweet summit]

banner prison is hell

do not

[prisma canopy]

Lel

[grand sphinx]

just feel so squishy even in a +5 at 193 ilvl, feel like maybe im not using reprisal right. the wall seems much easier for someone not aiming to go past +10-12s

[sweet summit]

the wall is definitely easier to use than reprisal

[grand sphinx]

okay yeah i just didnt want to significantly gimp my survivability using the wall, which it sounds like i wont. just sacrifice some dps which im fine with

[prisma canopy]

@sweet summit but guildys litterally outbid eachother for pi on reclear

[sweet summit]

[prisma canopy]

And they have already started bidding on banner

Lol

[zenith field]

I didnt make the reprisal legendary yet - how much better is it then the wall for mythic+ and then raids in comparison?

[prisma canopy]

Our raid lead hasnt even said my warrior can come to reclear and shriek banner is at 10k for boomie one and 23k for boomie 2

[grand sphinx]

sounds like if your focus is on pushing keystone master for m+, reprisal is the way to go. but for raids the wall is better on most fights

[sweet summit]

hard do say just how much better it is, but it is better in m+

[prisma canopy]

So for m+ kyrian for pushing to 20's?

[sweet summit]

usually go kyrian since noone else is kyrian, any covenant can do 20s

[lofty widget]

probably just play whatervr your team eneds

[prisma canopy]

Okay cool

I dont have a team :(

Tryna find one

[plush moat]

how mutch % vers do u guys have in mythic raid ?

i have 20% now i that good enough ?

[sweet summit]

thats relatively high

[plush moat]

kk

[sweet summit]

secondary stat distribution will not make or break your survivability in mythic raids

[plush moat]

23% haste without the buff

i guess its good like this

using some haste gems on some loot i also use as fury

[arctic wasp]

i'm progressing mythic right now, currently 8/10 and i have 3% vers have no issues surviving honestly 😛

have high haste and mid crit / mastery, something like 30% haste

[floral pewter]

substantially better, but people did M+ with The Wall just fine pre-9.0.5, it's perfectly playable

[obsidian girder]

Good evening. I got a simple question - not sure if wowhead guide is up to date.

M+ I really go ravager over unstoppable force and bolster over anger management?

[floral pewter]

some napkin math: Bolster+Wall and AM+Reprisal both give you about the same ~2min cooldown on Shield Wall, and rage gen is also in the same ballpark, so let's compare SB uptime

Bolster gives you 15s every 2 minutes, if used on CD

if you charge twice and intervene once per minute - which is very far from optimal Reprisal usage - you're already getting 24s of uptime every 2 minutes

[arctic wasp]

ravager is better in aoe so yes, bolster over AM is a personal preference, do you need the extra survavility? then get bolster, you are not dying and having a good time tanking, take AM 😛

[floral pewter]

and then Reprisal also gives damage

[obsidian girder]

Okay, thought unstoppable feels much better

[sweet summit]

but its kinda dogshit

[floral pewter]

UF is worse than Ravager in every way

less damage, less rage

longer cooldown

[arctic wasp]

unstopabble is not that far behind overall, thing with ravager is that helps u a lot with the thread and rage regen at start of the pull, other than that, unstopabble is really close, is if you feel it better is not a bad option

[median tulip]

Basically UF is bad because Thunderclap is bad

[obsidian girder]

Okay thanks for your feedback

[jagged pier]

😮 194 hymnal from WQ today

[sweet summit]

📈

[arctic wasp]

true

[jagged pier]

30 ilvls on my current one XD

[floral pewter]

is the Hymnal good enough to be worth using over 200+ stuff??

[sweet summit]

depends on what "200+ stuff" is

[jagged pier]

my 164 one did like just a bit less than my 226 decanter

[arctic wasp]

it dmg is very high for a 194 trinket honestly, i woul sim it, but at least for me sims way better than most 200 trinks, is similar to a 220 or 226

and ofc depends on which one, it's also a dmg trinket, the healing part is pretty much garbage xD

[floral pewter]

jesus o.O I have a 194, maybe I should use it more often

[arctic wasp]

for me sims almost equal as a 220 phial, i have a 187

[jagged pier]

its an insanly overtuned trinket

and a reason i still do callings to get a 203 one XD

[arctic wasp]

yeah like it's 226 version would be BIS for everyone xD

[jagged pier]

its not great on other tanks from what ive heard

[feral dock]

What trinket are we talking about?

[jagged pier]

hymnal of the path

[feral dock]

Other question as i am new to tanking. Should i actually use shield block on bosses like NW last boss at all? Since its almost casts only? Do i shield block for the incresed damage on shield slam or should i invest this rage into e.g. revenge?

[strong forum]

It's blockable.

[jagged pier]

ice shards is phyiscal

[feral dock]

Okay. Need to check the resource for blockable/reflectable damage

Okay then lets take khultharok in ToP as an example for this question

Checked the resource and it says magic damage only, except of its white hits

[strong forum]

He only melees you and occasionally throws a dot on you

[stable kernel]

he's a weird boss tbh

you would think he does mainly magic but its like all phys

[feral dock]

Okay so basically shield block on cd xD

Well. I'll hit 60 this evening and i wanna be prepared xD

[stable kernel]

^^

[jovial sable]

hey guys im just picking up my prot warr since nyalotha as we werent able to get a warrior for the buff. Our healers keep saying a pro streamer said tanks dont need healing in raid right now but i feel really dependant on it. Nor sure if im playing awful or warriors just need heals. here are last night logs at huntsman M, could use some help. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JDPx2ZFy3KgLqjAn

[jagged pier]

for reprisal your blocked hits are really bad

u also run booming voice and ITF in raid

[feral dock]

We are playing a prot+dh in raid and i feel like our prot needs a lot attention of us healers (main heal, alting prot warrior)

[jagged pier]

i get like no attention in my raid

🤷

[jovial sable]

thanks jakey

[jagged pier]

you should ojnly run repirsal

[jovial sable]

i cant really use reprisal much as they kill me if i move the boss

[jagged pier]

if u can make it work

[jovial sable]

the char has 7 days

[jagged pier]

otherwise u should run the wall and bolster

[jovial sable]

so i cant really get another one yet

[jagged pier]

also intervening isnt helping as u take all the damage your cotank does so if your already struggling u shouldnt be doing that and should run the wall

also your trinkets are aweful they wont make much difference if any

but they are shit

your shield slam casts are a bit low

[feral dock]

Isnt reprisal some kind of awkward in raid? Since you cant really make use of charge and intervene?

[jagged pier]

i mean u can

but it harder to do

but the blocked hits are the big thing

u have more hits than blocked hits

so u really need to work on using sb effectively

as with repirsal u should be like 80% if done correctly, or 60% if just using intervene on cd

where with the wall and bolster u can get 70% easy no porbs

[zenith field]

are you saying if you run reprisal you dont run bolster?

[jagged pier]

u shouldnt no

u get enough block from repirsal alone

to not need bolster

[jovial sable]

thanks on the help ill work on it

[jagged pier]

your also tanking the boss so u can intervene melee just as a tip

and leap/ move away to charge when shes doing the channelling stuff

sinseekers or somthing

[floral pewter]

there was a limit video recently talking about how tanks in raid generally shouldn't need direct healing as in, someone spamming heals on them all the time; it doesn't mean the healers shouldn't heal you lol

just that like, if you have hots and a beacon, you should be able to get by with that outside maybe specific mechanics

your EHRPS looks reasonable, and is actually lower than your cotank's

[stable kernel]

You shouldn't be a prio but you shouldn't be completely ignored aswell

[jagged pier]

means nothing with a warrior as we dont heal

if your spamming IP to stay alive your playing the spec wrong

[floral pewter]

EHRPS is not HPS

EHRPS is how much the healers need to heal you

"external healing required per second"

high EHRPS means you're not mitigating, low EHRPS means you are

[jagged pier]

still literally means nothing as we by default require the least amount of healing

as we are based on mitigation and have the most passive armour in the game

so passive we already need less EHPS than the other tanks

[sweet summit]

ehrps is an alright metric to look at

but its not end all be all

[floral pewter]

for sure it's not a slam dunk, but like, if the guy's healers are complaining that he needs too much healing, looking at EHRPS seems like a decent first pass

[jagged pier]

i mean huntsman is a physical fight where u can block the damage and with repirsal you should not have less blocked hits than hits just imo 🤷

[sweet summit]

this is the metric u want to look at

67% is relatively low

[floral pewter]

overall ten wipes, he's got 65% blocked shots and 72% blocked melee hits, not sure where you're seeing fewer blocked than unblocked?

for sure that could be improved, not saying he's totally blameless

[muted pendant]

Hymnal up in EU

[grand spruce]

is Hymnal any good?

[sweet summit]

ya its a strong trinket for big dam

[grand spruce]

my other options being 226 emitter and 200 scale

[sweet summit]

its better than scale and emitter offensively, worse than both defensively

[grand spruce]

hmm

a trade off

[floral pewter]

is Hymnal correct in simcraft? at 194, it sims for me as +100 DPS over my 213 alar on patchwerk ST, and actually a dps loss on 5 targets

[digital arch]

24% of haste is good?

or i get less

[blazing condor]

bolster or AM for tanking niklaus m?

for the last phase that is

[jagged pier]

depends if your running reprisal or the wall

[blazing condor]

wall

[fervent kestrel]

How far ahead are Kyrian and NF than Venth/Necro?

And how much more useful are the two abilities in M+ than the others?

[mental scarab]

sooo any cool elvui profil for a tank?=)

[solemn magnet]

Can always have more.

[solemn magnet]

If kyrian is the constant, NF is ~+200dps and necro is - 200DPS.

[sweet summit]

kyrian and necro is basically equal in terms of personal dps

[tender oak]

How big is the loss of Kyrian phial?

[sweet summit]

venthyr is far ahead on ST and NF is far ahead in aoe

its big enough for you to hold it in your hand

its nice

but you can play around not having it

so its not that big of a deal

tbh

[dark lark]

Has anybody done the math on how many mobs makes spear outweigh ancient aftershocks? (Aftershocks is target capped at 5 and spear is reduced after 5)

[sweet summit]

u can do a simple sim

[tender oak]

Might honestly swap from NF to Kyrian if I end up swapping to tank completely on my warrior but having to do everything covenant related from scratch sucks

[dark lark]

40 seconds, no BL, and just keep going up on targets from 5 to 6 to 7 etc?

[green fjord]

it was also heroic lol so wasnt too bad, although i did have a 168 shield lmao

[sweet summit]

for example ye

[grand sphinx]

running the wall legendary should I use storm bolt instead of double time?

[mighty valley]

in m+? yeah

I still run storm bolt with reprisal tbh

[solar crown]

stormbolt it pretty clutch

[smoky oriole]

Question, is reprisal obtainable this week?

[dark lark]

Upper reaches so no

[sweet summit]

you can get it from twisting corridors

[dark lark]

True

Otherwise, this week is skoldus/fracture

[blazing condor]

you cant phial niklaus right

[sweet summit]

doubt it

[strong forum]

You can bop it

But it's not a bleed just a physical debuff

[jagged pier]

no put u should be fine upto like 9 stacks

thats when i died

[strong forum]

weird flex but ok

just bop at 5/6 stacks

no need to greed it until 8/9 lol

[jagged pier]

we didnt have a paladin

the only external i had was a pain sup

3 shamans and disc priest

no rets

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

[haughty token]

Two questions.

1. What UI add on should I use
2. How do I know if a shielded wind up is interupptable or not? Some of them are and some arent, and I havent noticed a design difference.

[lofty widget]

im using elvui, but it comes down to preference really, some use SUI, some just use default UI and it wont really stop you, as for second question i would suggest getting a nameplate addon like plater, that way you can customize cast bar colors depending on if they are kickable or not (say, green if you can kick and red if you cant)

[green fjord]

i use shadowed unit frames, plater or threat plates cant remember what one tbh. bartender and luxthos weak auras. i think thats it for ui

[haughty token]

Im using CurseForge to manage my add ons and I see like a billion ElvUi

Couldnt find the actual one

[jagged pier]

as my guild likes to meme i have a wrath ui so i shall refrain from this conversation

[haughty token]

Any tips on how to get the right one?

[jagged pier]

use one that works for u

like my ui wouldnt work for anyone else

but works for me

[haughty token]

See I have no idea what that is, I have to try it

[jagged pier]

thats what u do

[haughty token]

I just know I dont really like default

[jagged pier]

you try stuff

[haughty token]

So see thats step 1. Can't even figure out how to get ElvUi on CurseForge

[jagged pier]

its not on there i believe

[haughty token]

Ah I see

[jagged pier]

u have to get it from elvui itself

[haughty token]

Ty.

Also, to clarify. There is no way to normally tell if an shielded ability is interupptable other then trial and error?

Or is there a subtle design queue im missing on

[jagged pier]

i dont get what u mean?

do u mean a cast?

a shielded ability

is an absorb u can shattering throw that

[haughty token]

Like a boss is casting a ability surrounded by the grey box with a shield.

Means I can't kick it.

But some I can interrupt with a Stun.

But sometimes I can't...

So Im told there are interruptable and uninterruptable "shielded channel" abilities.

But I havent been able to tell the difference

[jagged pier]

a lot of nameplates addons have cast bars and the cast will be greyed out or what not if u cant inturpt it

and u cant stun bosses

[haughty token]

I know you can't stun them, but I've been able to interrupt some of their shielded channel casts with a stun, but not others.

And for normal mobs as well

So I NEED a nameplate addon, to be able to differentiate between them?

[lofty widget]

it depends on the mob, some mobs can be stunned but can have casts that cant be kicked

mobs being kickable has nothing to do with them being stunable

[sturdy sable]

Being able to stun a mob or kick a cast are not mutually dependent

Also stunning a mob during a cast usually just delays the cast not stopping it completely

[haughty token]

I feel like either I'm not understanding or people are misunderstanding me.

In default WoW, it tells me an enemy is channeling to cast a spell. Usually I can Kick to interrupt. But sometimes there is a grey border channel with a shield, that I can't interrupt with a kick.

However, SOME of these grey borders, I can interrupt with a Stun. But SOME I can't interrupt. I have not been able to notice a difference in tell between these two grey border unkickable channels.

I'm going to just grab a nameplate add on since it doesn't seem like there is a clear answer to differentiating them without it.

[floral pewter]

there's no difference in the cast bar

the only difference is whether the mob is stunnable, and that's not displayed on the nameplate

there is no way to know whether you can stun a cast just by looking at it; you simply have to know about the mob and whether it's stunnable

[mighty valley]

it's not about the spell itself - if it's got the grey border, you can't interrupt it

separately, obviously if an enemy is stunned, it stops casting -- it's not actually interrupting the cast, or anything to do with the spell, it's just... is this mob stunnable

and in that case you kind of just have to learn which elites can't be stunned

notably, stunning an enemy that's casting doesn't spell lock them like real interrupts do, so many of them will just start recasting as soon as the stun ends

[grand drum]

Which one of these trinkets should I use alongside Scale?

Pvp on use, pvp haste+str proc, heraldry

[lofty widget]

heraldry

[mighty valley]

oh weird followup to the spell interrupts thing - I've noticed the UI doesn't update very well when Inspiring mobs die, so the cast bar can still be shielded but the cast IS interrruptible

[vocal bison]

Any tips to parsing high on sun king as prot? I feel like stuff dies way too fast to get any meaningful dps. It’s my one blue parse I haven’t been able to get purple or higher so my ocd is kicking in.

[noble nacelle]

Push buttons that do damage

[vocal bison]

Damn, good advice, maybe I’ll parse higher on the other fights too if I try that.

[onyx abyss]

Sun king gives 0 all star points

[vocal bison]

Didn’t know that, that’s convenient.

[prisma canopy]

i feel like for day 3 of prot warrior gearing im doing pretty good

[vocal bison]

Oh yea nice, guess you can click on each boss individually to see total number of points, just been looking at the overall view in my phone

[prisma canopy]

is there a haste soft cap like bfa or?

[lofty widget]

not a realistic one

[prisma canopy]

okay so not achieveable yet basically

[lofty widget]

at 39 % you probably wanna prio other secondaires over haste, but thats it

[prisma canopy]

kek

easy

[lofty widget]

exactly

[prisma canopy]

now just to replace the helm and belt and then i get to goto mythic reclear tuesday D:

also its shoulders > cloak wall legendary right?

[lofty widget]

yea, cloak is the worst spot for legendaries

[prisma canopy]

k thought so cuz slg gives 233 and my guilds progging sludge rn

the second bis prot trinket is the field emitter from spires?

with splintered heart being situational?

[lofty widget]

heart is for prog content wether that be high keys or mythic raid, emitter is a super solid trinket all round

[gray haven]

yo guys, i recently came back to the game and ofc i decided to roll a warrior to experience the BfA xpac ( :))))) ) and i dont know how i feel about arms warrior, i like the spec, i think its great for pvp but i dont feel that i play it well or use the utility well, so i was thinking about re-speccing to Prot warrior, i don't know how it would play out on Keys (im not looking into running keys tbh, i would be okay to raid tank and thats about it, and ofc transmog 😎 ) the problem i ran into is Arms having way too many situational spells and me not being sure how Prot works out

i would be interested in tanking, since arms gameplay is basically X amount of situationals and then the overpower for mortal strike etc rotation which is incredibly boring (coming from a Fire mage main kekw)

[solemn magnet]

Not really sure what you're asking? Most classes have situational abilities, prot warrior included. Give it a try, tho. It's a lot of fun /smile

[gray haven]

sure, is the go covenant Venthyr ? looking to get into pvp as warr aswell

[plush tendon]

If you arent looking to M+ and looking to PVP, Venthyr is great for it

[gray haven]

will most likely play Arms Venthyr and do raiding at a normal level, i dont feel like playing arms with all the clusterring it has and the boring rotation but transmogs look siiiiiick

[fluid wraith]

thought process on using the wall over reprisal on fort weeks? seen a prot warr on my server using it and am trying to understand why

[floral pewter]

The Wall is still perfectly usable, 9.0.5 didn't make it any worse

It might even be better against heavy magic damage like DoS

Dude might just not have Reprisal, or have it but not like it, or forgot to switch, or etc

[tender oak]

Any tips for for starting out someone who want to get into tanking as warrior but has barely done any tanking before

[noble nacelle]

Learn the game. By which I mean. Tanks that know encounters/dungeons well are way more useful than those that don't. Living as a tank is easy when you know what's dangerous and what's safe

[floral pewter]

^

For dungeons especially, you're by default in charge of the run, so simply getting in more reps until you know how to handle every pull will help a lot

[orchid sand]

Just started using Reprisal and I remember intervening a party members pet to stun packs w/warbringer if no melee was in the group. Can we still intervene party memebers pets?

[solar cypress]

No pets

Has to be players

[orchid sand]

Thank you

[misty charm]

Guys should i go for niya or koryan for mythic plus? in the guide it sais niya but many on raider io use korayn

[strong forum]

korayn is for big aoe dmg

[misty charm]

and niya?

[strong forum]

for good st dmg and huge uptime on mastery buff

niya is thus more defensive

[misty charm]

hmm i see

is the defense part big? im currently tanking around +13 with ilvl 200 and i just thought maybe going korayn is the way to go for me

[strong forum]

cant say as im not NF myself

[plush tendon]

Korayn all the way

for M+

you can decide if you want the crit or the 3% DR when thngs are in front (which they should be!!) if you feel like you need def

[lime trail]

How do you guys handle the taunt swap in Phase 2 of sire? I get trucked the minute the boss teleports to me and I'm unsure why

[plush tendon]

Do you have SB up?

do you have bleed from Remoria?

[lime trail]

Yeah the way we tank is one has sire and the other has remornia and we switch them around, is that not supposed to be the case?

[plush tendon]

no, you should be switching

What would be hurting you is not having SB up or having a high stack bleed

[misty charm]

3%? how do you get that number

[strong forum]

korayn trait

99% of people run the crit tho

thats the only reason to run korayn

is the first trait and the crit trait

if you dont take the crit, might aswell go niya

[misty charm]

hmm i see

[last mason]

this week has me considering quitting

keys literally unplayabble

[misty charm]

lul?

[last mason]

the quality of pugs

plummets every time i think it cant get worse

[strong forum]

every push week brings out the worst people trying to yoink free io

[last mason]

These are the people who complain about not getting into keys on Reddit, and then they literally play like this

Literally blows my mind

[strong forum]

1. people wanting IO are considerably worse than those that dont care
2. keys are easier so more people play
3. people get higher IO than they should cuz of the easy weeks

[last mason]

All true

I’ve depleted like 11 sd19s this week

No exaggeration

People just on autopilot

Or actually that bad

Nobody presses anything but dmg buttons

People would rather do 1k dps to pride and let it get to 20stacks at 75% then pop dmg on it

And don’t even get me started on the lower stuff I tried to heal as a mental reset

People queueing up for 17s that still don’t know basic dungeon mechanics

[strong forum]

that happens at every level, especially dps players

and also pug tanks

its just wild

but then again

i never pug nor do i do shit higher than 15 cuz fuck that

[last mason]

I have fun playing with likeminded people

But I can never get there

Which is why I’m thinking Of quitting bc I feel like I’m not getting my money’s worth

And bliz doesn’t really help by only deciding to flip a switch and aura buff once every 4 months

To the point where like 60% of keys above 15 are tanked by a single spec

[patent osprey]

T_T

[last mason]

Dps are just on constant autopilot

Then spam ?? When they solo deplete something

[orchid sand]

How are players geting 1k+ Io scores with 0 overall kicks? amazing man

[astral crystal]

1k io is like all 10s

not exactly difficult

[chilly brook]

Yea

Youd be surprised

[wanton quest]

When do you use these 3 skills? Whirlwind, Hamstring, shattering throw
Prot is new for me, but it is not fit for my action bar/rotation etc

[orchid sand]

torghast

[red tree]

I just 4 man a 13 top with 2 monks and a holy priest... The warlock just left after xav... We didn't time but at least the 4 of us held it together and finished with hardly any deaths. This lock was doing like 900 dps tho wtf

[modern plank]

hey guys, i know this is off topic i just had a basic question about tanking, when it comes to ignore pain - how often should i be pressing it? does it need to constantly be up or only when i expect big damage?

[lofty widget]

dont press whirlwind ever, hamstring is for ST slows, has very little use in raid/m+ but is good for pvp, shattering throw has some use in m+ but dont use it much

[red tree]

I never use whirlwind, hardly ever see a use for shatter, and hamstring is ok if you need to kite

[merry ocean]

I use shattering on Hakar. Dont know if I should

[torn stump]

Hakkar shatter is huge flex

[lofty widget]

shatter on any shield is huge

[red tree]

Could use on last boss of necrotic wake too I think

[sick sentinel]

Does shattering throw work on the big cleave skeletons in NW?

[lofty widget]

yep

any shield

[orchid sand]

I think last boss in mist has a shild that shattering throw has a use for

[wanton quest]

so throw out whirldwind of the window, hamstring if i need a singe target slow, and shattering on any big shield

[torn stump]

just stick to the hamstring/charge macro

its super rare you will use hamstring

so dont dedicate a seperate keybind to it

[red tree]

Basically that

[lofty widget]

i use it on spiteful weeks to help dps kite

[remote marsh]

Revenge is better than Whirlwind on any points, so always use Revenge. Whirlwind is not even in my spell bars.
Hamstring can be use to slow one mob when you need to kite, but its rare. Moist of the time, your DPS will help you with that.
Shadering Throw : basically useless in PVE. It does damage against shield, but I don't rly know if its worth in terms of DPS to spend time casting or just keep with your damage rotation

[torn stump]

spiteful week is your chance to tell dps to fuck themselves for not helping you kite during necrotic week

[lofty widget]

it's your defensive rage dump, so you use it if 1) you are about to cap rage, or 2) you are about to take alot of dmg/magic dmg

[remote marsh]

Yep, me too. This is when I use it the most

[orchid sand]

Torghast has alot of uses for S.throw and Whirlwind

[lofty widget]

4000 % dmg to shatter is fun ngl

[orchid sand]

right?

[unique shale]

lol my dps pull all of their cds on the pride before boss XD

[wanton quest]

thanks for the answers 🙂

[orchid sand]

and 4 stacks of hairpin for rage genaration when using execute power

[unique shale]

and wiped from first boss of plag

cause not enough dps

[wanton quest]

can you send it to me?

[torn stump]

#showtooltip Charge
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [@mouseover,help, nodead] Intervene; Charge
/cast Hamstring

[lofty widget]

just reflect stomp, ez 6k dps

[orchid sand]

hey!?

thats my macro

lol

[torn stump]

thats everyones macro lul

[wanton quest]

thx haha

[merry ocean]

Wait it reflects? I thought it was only deflect.

[lofty widget]

yes it reflects

[unique shale]

but no damage

[lofty widget]

yes damage

[unique shale]

Charged Stomp YES NO Magic Says reflect, doesn't actually do damage to boss

[lofty widget]

reflect is always 50 % of my dmg on that boss

[sick sentinel]

Talking about first boss of PF, not 3rd in SoA

[unique shale]

oh isee

[remote marsh]

Which enchant are you guys using on your Back ? Full Endu or Endu+Avoidance ?

[torn stump]

movespeed

gotta go fast

[unique shale]

lol

[lofty widget]

^

[patent osprey]

leech

leech OP for tanking

[merry ocean]

^

[unique shale]

how much self healing do you do with leech ?

[patent osprey]

don't remember:)

[chilly brook]

Never use whirlwind or hamstring, shattering has some niche uses

[patent osprey]

but decent amount

[chilly brook]

Sinking mythic, last boss of NW etc.

[patent osprey]

goliaths

hakkar

[chilly brook]

^yep

Big bone bois in NW

[patent osprey]

yeah.. but if ur tanking, u can't block while shattering

so not advised

unless u want to get cleaved with no block

[chilly brook]

Yolo

[torn stump]

blame healer shatter anyway

[unique shale]

always blame healer

[torn stump]

blame dps first tho

[amber herald]

I shattering those bois in NW :S

[unique shale]

ok

[torn stump]

healers are always one rant away from a mental breakdown

[daring bay]

So whats the deal with people taking AM and BSC? dont tell me those talents are actually good?

I mean, avatar is only giving us more dmg atm right?

so

[unique shale]

new lego

[daring bay]

Reprisal?

or somthing else?

[lofty widget]

yes

[daring bay]

How does reprisal synergise with AM?

i can see the BSC

[lofty widget]

it gives us so much block uptime that bolster isnt needed

[young oasis]

Any tips for SLG mythic?

[lofty widget]

so why not spec for more dmg?

[daring bay]

Is it really that much more? hmm

[lofty widget]

you can get 80-85% effective block uptime with reprisal+AM

[daring bay]

Ah, alright. Why arent people taking the avatar talent then?

[lofty widget]

because TC hits like a wet noodle and takes globals away from revenge

[amber herald]

it's more of a thunderclap talent and thunderclap isn't very good

[daring bay]

Wat

[lofty widget]

i assume you mean unstoppable force

[daring bay]

yup

[lofty widget]

which allows you to press tc every other global in avatar

[daring bay]

Sounds good to me

[lofty widget]

or rather "forces" you to, meaning youre not hitting revenge

[sick sentinel]

Then play it

[lofty widget]

which hits for a ton more, especially with BSC

besides, ravager is better for both dmg and rage gain

[amber herald]

it's more damage to spam revenge within ravager

you can play UF if you really want to

[lofty widget]

UF was good in bfa because TC actually did dmg, now its just meh

[amber herald]

depends on the level of content you're doing, but do what you want

[daring bay]

i do low level

but like to know what is best

[amber herald]

ravager m+, into the fray for raid

[sturdy sable]

Reprisal does in the sense that it gives you alot of rage to burn. That added with the block uptime and the fact that bolster only works out to 12s of block every 2 minutes it's a no brainer to pick AM especially since you are no longer running the wall (discount AM).

The wall was good for the rage gen and the fact that it covered not being able to pick AM over bolster

[torn stump]

instead of doing legendaries, soulbinds, and conduits they should have given each class 90s era wrestling moves for this xpac

id much rather be able to put mobs in the cobra clutch than get some extra shield block

[solemn magnet]

Anyone have logs of hitting 80-85% block using reprisal in keys? I'm around 70%

[lofty widget]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n6XkcrT4NfMP8Vtz#fight=5&type=damage-taken&source=48

[floral pewter]

it doesn't especially synergize, it's just that AM was always a good talent and fairly competitive; Reprisal just makes Bolster unnecessary so AM is the clear winner

with Reprisal+AM, you have better SB uptime than Wall+Bolster, the same shield wall cooldown, similar rage gen, and more damage

50% uptime on avatar is just gravy

[daring bay]

Kk i will play with and see how it goes

I did always like bolster for IP spam

But with indomible that might be less needed

[wanton quest]

Which cove did you choose? I chosed kyrian, cuz the healing pot + rage gen, but NF looks awesome too o.o

[mighty valley]

If you're doing low level content, doing the highest damage build will be optimal to go fast

[mighty valley]

i'm venthyr for the vibes

[sick sentinel]

2 rings, both favor vers. 1 is vers/crit and the other is verst/mast. It will cost me an extra 250 valor to upgrade the vers/mast, but that's still worth it right?

mastery is better than crit or equal to?

[mighty valley]

not a huge difference, i'd hold valor for just about anything else

[lofty widget]

save the valor for any ring with haste imo

and use the vers/crit until then

[sick sentinel]

alright. already set on wep/sheild and scale

i have a 207 phial but also a 220 emitter wasn't sure if i should spend valor on phial

i dont dps

[mighty valley]

I think emitter is better in most situations? upgrading the phial will be expensive too

[sick sentinel]

yea that was my thoughts. emitter procs all the time

[mighty valley]

would probably start upgrading it for single target if you get close to valor cap, but til then, hunt for haste rings/other upgrade slots

[sick sentinel]

Am I missing something or are the only chests that don't have crit on them the ones that come from pvp?

[lofty widget]

nah thats right, not that theres anything wrong with that

[remote marsh]

Is there any cap for Haste, a minimal or maximal amount we need to have ?

[torn stump]

more is better

that is all

[sturdy sable]

More is better but not mandatory

[sturdy sable]

Phial is still one of the best DPS options for prot

[unique shale]

Is blue pack too hard to do this week ?

[quasi dove]

Not if you use the naru shield on it at the right times

[unique shale]

I could do it without naru shield but our dh tank was crying this pack is super hard to do

made me wonder is it really hard

[floral pewter]

what are the right times?

[noble nacelle]

The naaru shield does something ?

[quasi dove]

I mean I don't really use it on that pack either but I have read where you can, it cuts the damage by like 40-60%

[noble nacelle]

Yeah I just did this on 16 today and we just brute forced it

[unique shale]

i always use it after bleed dot

cause it hurt a lot

[mighty valley]

the pack is tough, but skipping it is really risky, since if anything goes wrong in the gauntlet at all you'll have to run back through it again

[haughty token]

Anyone have a good keybind recommendation guide?

I know its personal preference, but I want a good place to start

any "must have" macros

[torn gust]

i just invis that blue pack :v

[tame jasper]

That's why I like to play it too and I time my pride so we get it after the red pack

[limber shadow]

is there a weak aura to track the remaining absorb on condemn?

[cinder nova]

It's still BIS to get a single +7 STR socket, yeah?

[unique shale]

why you want something like that

it is just unnecessary

[cinder nova]

At what point do Shaded Stones do more than weapon oils? 🤔

[unique shale]

man i did my worse plaguefall

healer thought i am dh and i can self heal all time and he wouldn't heal me above 50%

it was so stressful as f man i was only looking at my health bar and SB

[cinder nova]

I stopped paying attention to my HP closely once I started doing +18

My HP just ping-pongs all over the place.

Best I can do is preempt big pulls with CDs and smash Revenge and pray lol

[unique shale]

have to disable that red area when you are low on health

i mean i did time four 17

no problem

but that 17 plag hurt me so much

[clever heart]

hey quick question for new prot warrior

so Raid bis lego = The Wall & M+ bis lego = Reprisal ?

[unique shale]

both are good

it is just different gameplay

wall more face tanking while reprisal is all about leaping and charging more moving

[clever heart]

which slots do I build them ? and with what stats ?

[unique shale]

haste/versa always

leg for reprisal

shoulder for wall

[clever heart]

what are our stat prios ? from 1st to last

[unique shale]

haste /versa

versa/haste 20+ keys

[mossy peak]

some folks will say haste/crit for damage, which is true but applies only after you know you're tanky enough

haste is the common factor

[unique shale]

i have Overwhelming Power Crystal so big cirt here 😄

[clever heart]

so our stat prios are =
Haste / verse / crit ? in that order ? like the icy veins article says

is that correct

[cinder nova]

No.

Haste > Vers=Crit > Mast

[surreal sinew]

cirt is more off, vers more def - you don't need to stack vers unless you're doing really big keys

[unique shale]

don't over think it just pick up higher ilvl gears

[surreal sinew]

☝️

[clever heart]

well what if I am using my gear from Arms / Fury. I have all 220+ dps gear.
Is there a certain verse thresh hold I need to hit to be safe & make sure I dont die ? like (x)%

[cinder nova]

No.

[clever heart]

really ! uh surprising

[surreal sinew]

armour and stam are your main stats, more haste is better but stats are really secondary

[cinder nova]

Nope.

STR is.

Stam is pretty much an incidental stat.

[surreal sinew]

oh yeah and str

[cinder nova]

Not and.

Stam is not a stat we look for.

[unique shale]

just more haste making your rotation more smoother

[surreal sinew]

more ilvl means more of both but yeah that wasn't clear in my head for starters

was just thinking of vanguard

[cinder nova]

The reason we take ilvl is because STR is huge and secondaries are close enough together that more stats > ideal stats.

Nothing to do with STAM.

We get all the STAM we need from just putting on stuff and using Indom.

It's really not something to be included in a stat breakdown for prio.

[surreal sinew]

yy ofc

[mossy peak]

the tldr is just item level

as is the case for most specs in the game right now

more stats > less stats

picking which stats is a luxury, since you're looking between two equal level items

in which case you would want haste, and lean into vers for survival or crit for damage

[cinder nova]

Probably best that way anyway. Not a great feeling to pick up a 226 and sim it to realize it's dogshit.

[clever heart]

thank you so much for the info ! you guys put that very clearly for me. I appreciate it

[mossy peak]

keep in mind a big part of tanking is that once you meet the survival check, you cant like

over-survive

that does nothing

if you're alive and not causing undue stress on the healers you're alive

so that is why people will start to focus more on damage

knowing how tanky you are for your content is something that comes only with experience and also depends on your group/healers

so err on the side of tankiness

until you are comfortable

[clever heart]

gotcha ! If I wanted to tank +15 keys how much item lvl / strength / verse would you recommend ?
I understand this question is impossible because it is based on the skill of the player & not the stats themselves. but if you had to guess.

[unique shale]

it is depends on your game play first and people timed 15+ with 190 ilvl

[cinder nova]

Yeah, you can do it with 190, but maybe gun for 215+

[weak dune]

tbh it’ll prolly be hard to even get invites to 15s unless you’re 215

[unique shale]

do your own key

[mossy peak]

as far as str/vers i would just

get completely out of the mindset that any percent or amount of any particular stat is relevant or important

that is ancient thinking

and has not been the case for the vast majority of specs through modern-ish wow

[clever heart]

kk ty

[cinder nova]

That's not true.

Lots of DPS has major stat breakpoints.

[mossy peak]

there are always breakpoints

but they are not necessarily vital, and if they are, they are represented in simple top gear sims

[cinder nova]

I'd say breakpoints are pretty important lol.

[mossy peak]

depends on what they are

[cinder nova]

Like getting another pyro in a combust.

That's huge.

[mossy peak]

it's amazing that i already left room for certain edge cases in my original statement

the one you disagreed with despite not reading

[cinder nova]

You're saying a statement that isn't predicated with vital information is misconstrued? 🤔

[mossy peak]

people get far too hung up on getting specific stat %s

[cinder nova]

There's a reason for that.

[mossy peak]

the reason is because we didn't have top gear sims until the last expansion

plain and simple

[sick sentinel]

Being a mage main I can say that this is also one of those quite common misconceptions. For mage it is just as much "sim it" as anything else, not chasing that magical extra pyro.

[cyan shore]

What's the recommended legendary for a noob tank? I know wall, reprisal and the thunderclap ones are viable. But what's the best option for survivability? I'm thinking reprisal

[mossy peak]

there isn't a clean answer here, although i can say you can disregard the thunderclap one at this point

[cyan shore]

Well, which one is the easiest to pilot you reckon?

Wall requires indepth knowledge of packs and whatnot I'd assume

[mossy peak]

reprisal gives more uptime on shield block when you are able to be charging and intervening, which is not necessarily always the case

shield block uptime is what will reduce the small and constant damage you take

[cyan shore]

I feel like I can always throw out an intervene just to get the buff going

[mossy peak]

the wall on the other hand reduces shield wall which means you will be better poised in an instance of taking large hits and instances of damage

and want to cast shield wall more often

if we are talking m+, reprisal is largely favored until really high keys

at which point it starts to vary and you would surely have enough experience to know which you want

[cyan shore]

I definitely won't be doing "really high keys"

15s and 16s most likely, just for a change

[mossy peak]

for that, i would recommend reprisal

the wall is generally more of a raid legendary

[cyan shore]

And I haven't tanked since 8.3, so I'm sure things are fundamentally different

[mossy peak]

you don't need a lot of shield block uptime for most raid fights, since you have a second tank

and trade

[cyan shore]

I'll never be called on to tank in my raid, there's like 3 others in line if we ever need a tank before me

So this is strictly M+

[mossy peak]

for strictly m+, and in the 15ish range, definitely reprisal

[cyan shore]

Unless I'm tanking heroic pugs for fun and I'm assuming I already outgear that content tbh so it doesn't matter

Awesome

[mossy peak]

it gives you snap threat and defense, and then a little wiggle room of rage for whatever else you want to do

[cyan shore]

Sounds good

Time to get depressed as I remember our DPS output from 8.3 with full corruption

[jolly spindle]

question

i managed to reflect some insane dot in ToP

but i have no idea what it was

in the ghost area

[strong forum]

There's a difference between top people pushing IO and your average Joe hunting IO

[turbid gazelle]

Ghosts tend to dot random targets, u can reflect that

Also the frost shard spell from the lanky skeleton dudes

Reflecting that does about 20k dmg

[jagged pier]

@strong forum we pumping now

[jolly spindle]

not the ghosts

it was on one of the platforms

and it was a massive dot like

ticking for 10k

[strong forum]

👏

[fringe perch]

What dungeon is that from @jagged pier

[delicate iron]

Hi guys, I know it was probably asked hundreds of times but which trink would be better offensively (for lower keys or raid on farm):
phial of putrefaction or anima field emitter
I'm using scale as my other trink

[frail finch]

hi gentlemen, fresh to prot wars. do we use Victory Rush in M+? or it doesn't activate at max lvl

[tired cove]

sim single target dps

[jagged pier]

14 mists

[blazing condor]

@jagged pier Addon/WA for the covenants?

[jagged pier]

its an addon dont know the name

[hollow sun]

@frail finch no, it activates every killing blow. I use it if i need healing 😛

but, i do only 15s

so idk if people use it on higher keys

[frail finch]

ok ty

[solid cairn]

Is it me or this is harder than last week to pug?

The people i got for my key just don't know what to cut, how to do some mechanics

[strong forum]

cuz IO is inflating

more bad people are out to get that free IO

1. average joes wanting IO are considerably worse than those that dont care
2. keys are easier so more people play
3. people get higher IO than they should cuz of the easy weeks

[solid cairn]

ok

That's pretty boring

I find it way easier last week

[strong forum]

so yeah, pugging during push weeks is always gonna have alot more extremes

[solid cairn]

i depleted a +10 HOA

Because they just don't know what to focus/cut

And some body aggro

[valid zodiac]

Regardless what week it is I still have to yet see a group that everyone can do the skip in SoA at the end of those stairs.

The best part is you can do it without any invis or spells.

[fleet river]

Yeah but like, you have to pay attention and stuff. You expect me to think???

[silk edge]

imo past a certain key level pugs are really not that bad at all

when i pug low keys on alt i am really mindblowned tho

[gloomy cradle]

You’d be surprised

[sick sentinel]

What are people using to clear explosive other than heroic throw? Do you just primary target the orbs in melee with revenge? Are people speccing out of devastator to have a spammable melee ability?

[sterile berry]

hi guys, does someone know if there is something special u gotta do to get prot warr hidden artifact or is it just rng? walking in and out of the cave every day.... been trying to get it for a while now 😛

[obtuse prism]

target orb and thunderclap?

[acoustic root]

As far as i know, you need to have the legendary itself and then just farm the cave every day:-) If you hear a roar near the entrance, you are lucky!

[sterile berry]

lol guess ive been unlucky for weeks then xD on 4 toons 😦

[acoustic root]

You need artifact knowledge Level 5

[sterile berry]

i thought since the launch of bfa u didnt need artifact knowledge anymore... didnt need em on other hidden artifacts

[strong forum]

The AK requirement is gone

Just need to be lucky

Took some people several months

[fleet river]

Guess I'm pretty lucky, I got it on my first try lol

[sterile berry]

is it accountbound tries or does it work having 4 chars to try it??

[strong forum]

Works with every char

[fleet river]

Traded that for my utter shit luck for basically every drop mount since the zulian tiger

[sterile berry]

tnx for the info. i guess ill try a few more weeks/months maybe a year

[signal plover]

Make sure you have dragon roar talented and use it when you walk into the cave

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

KEKW

i remeber when u could just log in and out in the cave to trigger it

[signal plover]

That's how I got it lol

One of the few degen things I ever did

[jagged pier]

my GM whispered me if i was okay cause i kept going on and off line XD

[sand condor]

ayy

did it boys

1600 rio

[valid zodiac]

I think for the skin you need to read the table in your mission hall before going to the cave.

Then once you are in the cave if the skin is there a message will appear saying "You hear a roar..." or something like that

Then you go below and in the pile of gold the scale is there

[shut linden]

#showtooltip
/cast [@harm] Charge
/cast [@harm] Victory Rush
/cast [@help] Intervene

anyone know why this isnt working?

[tender spire]

You can try several times a day with trial characters

[sterile berry]

will get it someday tho

in the guide they say u need to read the saga on that stone, but i wonder if i have to read it every time before entering cave or just once

[tender spire]

?
You just have to see if there is an emote when you enter the cave

Afaik there’s nothing else

I got mine with a trial char

[sterile berry]

how many trial chars did u have to make? 😛

[tender spire]

Don’t remember tbh

[sterile berry]

cuz i didnt succeed so far on 4 chars haha

[tender spire]

But i got it in like 2 days

Make a Highmountain tauren

U spawn at orgrimmar

Then take the teleport to high mountain, go to the cave, if there’s no emote, rince and repeat

[sterile berry]

kinda a good tactic tbh

[tender spire]

I think you’re limited on how many trial characters you can make in an hour or a day

[sterile berry]

dont u need the legendary equiped?

[tender spire]

Don’t remember 🙂

[sterile berry]

😅

[tender spire]

The thing i remember though, is that you have to be in prot loot spec

Otherwise you won’t be able to see it, even if you get the emote

[sterile berry]

true

[plush plaza]

Hey guys, what are your thoughts on the trinket Beating Abomination Core? I got a 203 version from the epic calling this week, and it's been healing for about 3-400k depending on the runs. Seems solid

[modern brook]

My only thought is that its a stam stick with no damage effect

🚮

oh nvm its a str stick thinking of the like 9th heart-based-trinket

Uhhhhh honestly still snoozing on it

[plush plaza]

On higher keys do you just need more offensive?

[uneven mason]

basically

[plush plaza]

I just switched to Prot this week, and im still at a 15-17 level

[uneven mason]

swear at your group more

[modern brook]

historically tank damage matters in high keys

[uneven mason]

bring that offensive

[sterile berry]

omfg @tender spire it seems to be working lol

[modern brook]

And generally our kit lets us survive most stuff just by using it well

[sterile berry]

all i need now is the original to add the appearance to haha tnx mate

[plush plaza]

Yeah reprisal lego is incredible

[modern brook]

In the past REALLY good tank trinkets have made their way into keys like the nzoth one

[plush plaza]

So long as im not lazy i can have insane uptime on SB

[modern brook]

I think maybe the hakkar trinket is the only one that really gets there

[plush plaza]

Yeah my setup is Scale/Abom Core, but i mained dps so i have a ton of dps ones. Not sure which is best for prot

I have a low level phial

[uneven mason]

phial big deepus

[plush plaza]

Okay noted, thanks bois

[modern brook]

Scale phial will carry you through most 15s tbh

it'll still be good into the late-teens as well as long as youre playing well

no real comment on 20+

[jolly spindle]

phial is bae

[sterile berry]

Whats best covenant for prot atm? Cuz i have seen some venthyrs, kyrians and necrolords... am kyrian myself atm but doubting about switching to necro

[stark sage]

Necrolord will be a solid group damage boost in raids and Mythic+ as long as you can co-ordinate the usage of the mastery buff. It's also dependant on the DPS you run with if they actually benefit from Mastery or not. The increased group damage comes at the cost of your own damage output so if you are mostly PuG'ging keys you will be better off as a Kyrian/NF.

from pins

[solemn magnet]

NF and kyrian great all rounders. NL really need a coordinated group. Venthyr is fine, especially if your group doesn't have one.

If you dps at all, NF will pull ahead of kyrian, but lots of NF users out there. Not as much kyrian players.

[plush tendon]

NF is offense oriented. Kyrian is well rounded in def and damage. Necro needs coordination to gain value. Venthyr is for ST and PVP. All viable, all do different things well