Had a bad pull
#protection
chilly brook
sudden relic
fury of course 😎
plush tendon
I think the point remains, prot can pump when played aggressively, but isnt squishy like a Prot Paladin
chilly brook
Plka makes me look like a bitch in terms of damage though
plush tendon
Plka is the most aggressive of all of us
lapis magnet
Best prot race and why?
plush tendon
Best prot race and why?
Vulpera, Orc, Blood Elf, HM Tauren, Tauren
solemn magnet
Vulp. 8 to 10 %mitigates dmg overall in m+
solemn magnet
40 yard aggro, camp shit
lusty marsh
Kaelthas why you so mean to me.
lapis magnet
ne? extra dodge&meld
lusty marsh
Also, ew horde races j/k
plush tendon
ne? extra dodge&meld
oh you are alliance....
solemn magnet
For alliance, ima go dwarf on this one
lapis magnet
solemn magnet
Even tho thicc step mom always in my heart
lusty marsh
Dark irons are pretty dope tanks.
plush tendon
For alliance, ima go dwarf on this one
the difference is small
but dwarf covers the weakness to bleeds which is huge
solemn magnet
Getting AA and racial phial sounds dope
lusty marsh
Atm I'm worgen but heavily considering swapping human or void so I can have better mogs
lusty marsh
Also so the guild stops referring to me as the pet dog
solemn magnet
Yikes
shut summit
lusty marsh
#stopworgenhate
lapis magnet
dogs are cute doh
flat cosmos
Hey guys. just starting to reroll to my prot warr and got sanguine vintage from normal denathrius (207 ilvl) is that worth hanging on to / what sort of stuff should I look to replace it with asides from Blood spattered scale?
lusty marsh
Idk what the consensus is but for defense I like scale+heart offense phial and emitter.
But I'm almost purely raid focused.
flat cosmos
Ah fair, I'll be running that with the decanter of anima charged winds since my ilvl is like 195
strong forum
Hey guys. just starting to reroll to my prot warr and got sanguine vintage from ...
Scale, anime emitter, Phial of purification, decanter they're all good
Heraldry, vintage, hateful chain, gluttonous spike
They're all good trinkets
flat cosmos
hateful chain is only agility though isn't it?
sweet summit
it is
strong forum
Ah right...
stuck wing
reprisal generally best on feet?\
solemn magnet
Legs
unless you do mythic slg then feet, but legs will end up better next patch cycle anyways (probably)
stuck wing
ok thanks
chilly brook
It really hardly matters tbh
outer solstice
Best prot race and why?
gnome! because gnome
outer solstice
Idk what the consensus is but for defense I like scale+heart offense phial and e...
emitter is pretty good for defense
chrome arch
Best prot race and why?
Tauren , beefy juggernaut
strong forum
whatever you prefer aesthetically
flint zealot
KT best warrior race because they dummy thicc and clap their cheeks without thunder clap
solemn magnet
^
sweet summit
😩 💦
signal plover
Someone didn't read the patch notes
solemn magnet
20% extra clapping from those step moms
plush tendon
people still have thunderclap on their bars?
strong forum
i have a macro that types it letter by letter, 1 global per letter
hollow sun
guys, i was wondering why i see very few warriors take bolster
deep steppe
guys, i was wondering why i see very few warriors take bolster
dont need it with reprisal
sweet summit
because reprisal gives you a fuckton of shield block uptime
in raids you see a lot of AM because its a) more damage and b) you dont need to tank all the time so natural tank swaps gives you enough time to regain SB charges
hollow sun
alright. I usually use bolster cause it makes me feel safe 😂
lusty marsh
I still use it because I still need my training wheels.
lusty marsh
Honestly CN isn't very demanding of tanks in general. You could probably use any combination of talents and leggos.
strong forum
clearly havent played VDH
jagged pier
not really its great this in CN well in mythic anyway
correcot positioning
correct rotation or u die
strong forum
CN is much more demanding of tanks than any BFA raid
strong forum
sludge is big fun
plush tendon
Sludge is fun, until you know what to do and you go on autopilot
until the last 20%
plush tendon
I think the most engaging tank fight was council
strong forum
sire is huge
plush tendon
granted, still dont like it cause I had to think a lot
havnt gotten to sire yet
on SLG
strong forum
me neither, but its very easy to tell that its gonna be a huge tank job
huge dmg intake and alot of positioning requirements
plush tendon
I think thats only in the last phase
jagged pier
i cant wait for sire tbh
plush tendon
not sure
jagged pier
on guldan i was the tank that was running around everywhere
plush tendon
but excited for Dena; very cool fight
jagged pier
was losts of fun
astral crystal
denathrius is hands down the best fight in the tier
and after a shitshow like SLG, it's worlds apart
limpid orbit
into the fray or ravager for keys
strong forum
astral crystal
deep steppe
jagged pier
obtuse prism
evil
patent osprey
my eyes went so wide when I saw that
jagged pier
sweet relic
near tundra
sweet summit
pins and #268491842637660160
jagged pier
🤔
rancid ember
That fucking fly though
spark jolt
can someone share me a charge/intervene Mouseover(if exist) macro? 😮
quick pollen
#showtooltip Charge
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [exists, nodead, harm] Charge
/cast [@mouseover, exists, help, nodead] Intervene
I use that
spark jolt
thx @quick pollen
surreal remnant
Hi, I see Avatar in the spellbook, does this have any defensive value or is it just a fun +20% damage?
stable kernel
its a offensive cd
surreal remnant
ahh cool
strong forum
Gives 20 rage!
surreal remnant
feels a bit weird coming from guardian where berserk has an offensive and defensive capacity
inland raft
Original iteration of avatar gave additional rage gen but they quickly got rid of it
sterile stump
this might be a bit of a noob style question but how do you determine whether to use SB or IP? IP for magic damage, SB for all else?
inland raft
Sb if blockable which with reprisal it should be up extremely close to always ip can help against unblockable
sterile stump
ah kk so how do you know if its blockable? just practice i presume?
strong forum
mainly experience
and whenever an ability looks like a swing with a weapon or a punch, its generally blockable
youll quickly find out if something isnt blockable aswell if you pay attention to it
sterile stump
cool ty 🙂
gleaming oracle
Hi guys! I just have a question im new to warrior...asked here before about covenant choice and decided to go nightfae, I just checked the io leaderborad and there is 1 nightfae rest kyrian on the front page..did I fuck up?
mighty valley
No, the difference is pretty small... NF is a little more offensive which is good, Kyrian has defensive benefits like phial for bleeds and necrotic
gleaming oracle
im rollin korayn is that "ok" XD
mighty valley
I’m not nf so I’m not sure, I think I’ve seen people say korayn is the m+ play while niya burrs is the ST choice
gleaming oracle
ok thank you so much for your time
stable kernel
Kyrian is picked in higher io teams due to cov diversity mainly
warped cave
have to say the spear is good for kiting which is done alot, the vial is also so very good esp. with a soul bind row granting you immunity to certain effects inc. necrotic after consuming a vial
jagged pier
kitings done a lot? 🤔
subtle ginkgo
are all prot warrior conduits shit or am I just dumb?
stable kernel
I prefer kyrian but NF is also great
subtle ginkgo
coming from VDH they all seem extremely underwhelming
stable kernel
subtle ginkgo
nice, thx blizzard
sweet summit
stalwart guardian and unnerving focus are good
the rest
are
just
dog
shit
kyrian/night fae/necrolord covenant conduits are also good
sweet summit
weak
sweet summit
blazing condor
i just go with rallying cry one
lime plume
Should I run Unnerving focus or Brutal Vitality if I'm using Anger Management instead of Bolster? (for raid)
blazing condor
brutal vitality kinda ass tbh
go focus
big deeps
LS is still good even without bolster
extra rage doesnt hurt
lime plume
Shoot I was over here thinking it was one of the best. Mistakes have been made apparently
blazing condor
i mean its not terrible either. Just not particulary strong
stable kernel
ye brutality kinda
blazing condor
its like "eh"
lime plume
It was like a ~2k increase on my IP ceiling so I was like "OOOOH! I use that a lot!"
But I'll give Unnerving a shot instead then
jagged pier
2k on IP is nothing as you dont press IP
languid flower
I was thinking of niche places to use it, but even if you always IP before you do a demo shout + ancient aftershock, you still don't get a whole heck of a lot out of it.
lime plume
You dont... press IP? If I dont keep it up like all the time under shield block I spend the remainder of the fight hugging the ground
Although I do see most of the highest parses are pressing Ignore pain less than 8 times a fight
stable kernel
Yeah I don’t IP a lot tbh
lime plume
Maybe I'll try to lessen my use then
I'm using it like 20-25 times per pull, at least on Shriekwing
mental scarab
Healers can heal more😒
solemn magnet
I only IP if I need to dump rage or going to take magic dmg and don't have SR up
stable kernel
^
inland raft
Ip is that button i use when im about to cap rage but nothing rose else to spend it on or when magic damage a out to introduce me to the floor
Otherwise its not really worth, press revenge more move on
Scary mob cant hurt you if you kill it
craggy warren
.0
iron arrow
is 31% haste too much haste?
ocean bloom
if you are wearin your highest ilvl stuff nope
iron arrow
word
surreal sinew
lime plume
Is stone legion heraldry trinket that good? I have 226 Anime conductor and Gluttonous spike trinket, and a 220 scale, those all seem better than a 220 stone legion heraldry trinket but a lot of the logs for shriek and huntsman are running it
(I cant get the mythic version of the trinket, not there yet with my guild)
lime plume
Would you use it over a 226 anime conductor, spike, or 220 scale though?
strong forum
for dmg sim it
lime plume
For survivability and progression though? Spike seemed like a trap but lots of parses are running that too and almost none are running the anime conductor
strong forum
people often just use whatever sims highrst
and gluttonous spike is the easiest to get at high ilvl
lime plume
Ok thanks will do, I'll just sim the three then and go with that and try to farm out the trinket
strong forum
for surv youd wanna use herald + scale
lime plume
If I dont have herald would you use the spike or the field emitter?
strong forum
emitter
lime plume
Thanks again
Sorry for all the questions, but just maybe one last one, would you guys run The Wall on M Huntsman or Reprisal?
strong forum
Reprisal
rustic shadow
Guess it depends on if you're doing gargons or the boss
lime urchin
I know it should not replace current trinkets, but is it even worth to fiddle around with and check some numbers with it or do I vendor it?
sweet summit
do what you want mate
lime urchin
I most certainly will do what I want
but any input before I do so, would be appreciated
sweet summit
ok then, you asked for it
use scale and organ and see how high your hps can get 👀
soft lotus
hi, is there an easy answer to the balance between ignore pain and revenge in mythic+? Or is it a balance
strong forum
a balance
if you feel like youre taking dmg, use IP
if you dont, spam away on revenges
gotta find a healthy balance and throw some experience in there
soft lotus
ok, thanks. Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss some mechanic
topaz dragon
Hey fam, just rolled a Prot Warr. Coming from BDK, lets hope I get to thunderclap with my thunderthighs and not die all the time xD
soft lotus
feels more like a shield slam game now. Not the thunderclap meme like in legion
strong forum
it was always about generating max rage
topaz dragon
Yea, spammed dungeons to level to 60. It doesnt quite feel like it used to in BFA aswell. Feels nice though. I feel like I barely take damage compared to BDK.
How is it in mid/high keys? Now after the buffs?
strong forum
that i cant answer, i dont do high enough keys to take dmg
lofty widget
its always been fine
floral pewter
where do I have to look in a log to see how many hits I blocked vs didn't?
lofty widget
damage taken>hover melee hits
floral pewter
aha, thank you
final cedar
Dragon's Roar
- 40 rage/min
- 5-10% overall damage increase
- Use demo shout defensively
- Snap threat generation on pull
Booming Voice
- 53 rage/min
- 3-5% overall damage increase
- Use demo shout proactively
- No threat generation
Why do ppl even run booming voice?
sweet summit
people run best served cold in m+
sweet summit
in raid you run booming voice because it has offensive and a defensive benefit. you could also run best served cold in raid if you play reprisal, for the extra revenge damage
astral crystal
bv is for chads
strong forum
and for m+ yeah DR is just terrible
final cedar
idk where you pull the 5-10% vs 3-5% from
BV is 20% increased dmg with 20% uptime if used on CD. That's 4% overall.
strong forum
yeah but it lines up with ravager, avatar and other buttons, like spear / AA
so its not just 4%
sweet summit
you also get 2 free revenge casts from using demo + ^
final cedar
you get 1.5 for Dragon's roar
sweet summit
dragon roar is quadratic scaling?
so it doesnt do a lot of damage on more than 2 targets
sweet summit
whereas BV is just a flat damage increase
strong forum
its barely good
final cedar
Even in the absolute best situation where you're getting double effectiveness from BV. Let's say you maximize CDs and get 40% extra dmg for all of its uptime. You're still only getting 8% overall
strong forum
its usable, but as soon as there are multiple targets, its a dps loss to play DR
btw
dragon roar, even on sludge when it lines up with the 100% dmg bonus from pillars, only makes up 5% of my damage
so im curious to see where youd get 10% dmg increase if not on sludge
the arguably only boss where its potentially good
crude heath
What on earth do you do against a 49k Ray of Hope nuke in PvP?
sweet summit
you spec arms
strong forum
be in defensive stance, know that its up and press parry or smth
crude heath
' all damage and healing dealt to the target is delayed until Ray of Hope ends.'
that's the rub
final cedar
so im curious to see where youd get 10% dmg increase if not on sludge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MxBphRCJ84tmkWjT#fight=10&type=damage-done&source=18
DR is 8% of his overall
chilly brook
@final cedar not entirely sure what you're getting at?
All of the top 10 logs for Sludge use BV
You're also conveniently ignoring that BV equals snap threat anyways and that it's a non issue
final cedar
Is demo shout's threat relevant compared to dragon's roar? Honest question.
final cedar
Pretty sure demo shout on it's own generates a little threat, but I could be wrong. I thought you meant that.
If that's what you mean, then I think it's strictly worse than DR for threat. The only time you really need threat is at the start of a pull in m+ when the fire mage goes ham. If you're going in and doing Clap > DR > Revenge, that is bonkers more threat than Clap > Demo > Revenge
mighty valley
How much does DR fall off past the main target
chilly brook
Bro wat
final cedar
And the best part about DR IMO is that you can save Demo as a defensive
lofty widget
we dont really need threat on pull outside like, having everything on cooldown
final cedar
I gues that's fine when you have those up, but what about next pull?
lofty widget
so DR isnt even needed
chilly brook
Like DR is actual dogshit in aoe
Revenge?
Like it's not difficult to hold aggro or get snap threat
And DR AGAIN is absolute DOGSHIT in aoe
final cedar
I'm not saying its difficult, just that DR is better at it
chilly brook
It's not
Because it sucks ass in aoe
Like you realize
That an ability that either trades blows with, is slightly worse than or slightly better than BV in single target
Would not be better as soon as you introduce a second target?
mighty valley
with my current stats DR hits for roughly the same as an unbuffed revenge against secondary targets when i hit the 5 target dummies... if you have high crit it could be better overall I guess but it's also less rage gen in this snap threat situation
umbral yarrow
any prot warriors know how to tmog into 2h artifact?
mighty valley
you can't tmog a 1her into a 2her afaik, not even artifacts
umbral yarrow
well i know you can do it with frost 1h-> 2 2h and monk can do it too. but i wasnt sure if the shield was going to complicate things
mighty valley
oh yeah, fury can tmog 1hers into their old 2h artifacts, but the artifacts are still spec locked it looks like
vapid tide
When you run reprisal in m+ what shield block uptime is normal/should I aim for?
solemn magnet
People here say 80%+, but that's Hella optimal
lofty widget
80+% effective uptime, meaning you block 80% of melle attacks
remote dawn
220 phial or 220 slg for 15-20 keys
weak dune
stupid question, how do I see % of blocked hits in m+ in WCL?
lofty widget
press "damage taken", then your name, then hover the "hits" from melee
weak dune
thanks!
paper coral
I haven't played retail in awhile, can somebody give me a TL:DR on the new necrolord thing for us?
quaint onyx
fallen hearth
Has anyone created any useful target macros for intervene? Intervening the CLOSEST target for example?
placid oar
any prot warriors know how to tmog into 2h artifact?
Check out the #transmog channel pins, I believe there’s a step by step on how to do it where u can Tmog your 1-handed into a 2-hander artifact appearance.
weary python
Would leech or avoidance be a better 3rd trait proc for us?
round cliff
does prot have enough self heals do to stuff like solo the 62 elites in the maw
i know prot pally can do it ez
round cliff
i have a 183 shield i got from a world quest and dont currently have a one hander in my bags
solemn magnet
Sounds like a problem
grand drum
do we still go for haste over other stats after it hits the 30% diminishing returns?
lofty widget
yes
can start looking at other stats at 39 % when 20 % tax kicks in
but thats not reachable this patch
ionic dagger
Hello... what soulbind is best for night fae prot warr? and bis conduits for m+ ? 😄
Would help a lot
lofty widget
i believe niya is the best for NF, for conduits unnerving, stalwart, inspiring presence, show of force and the NF specific that buffs AA are all great
sharp carbon
does raidbots work for prot sims ?
lofty widget
you can sim dmg like any other class/spec but not tankiness
languid flower
@fallen hearth I recommended this one a while ago
just be careful not to mouse over your healer when you use it.
obtuse prism
is it just me or have all the hunters migrated to shamans? had 2 keys today where shamans "helped" with pulls and scuffed my prides
gleaming pawn
do you guys think going vers > haste is better then haste > vers? or is there a certain amount of haste needed?
sacred roost
Been tanking on monk recently, same ilvl as warrior, and it feels so much easier and smoother then warrior tanking.
lofty widget
do you guys think going vers > haste is better then haste > vers? or is there a ...
ilvl>haste>vers, vers is near irrelevant unless youre doing ultra high m+
fluid wraith
is there anyway to see how much damage i mitigated with shield block in logs?
gleaming pawn
ok ty
brazen surge
I have not tanked on my warrior since Wrath. I've watched a plethora of guides but have not found one where they go over the basal rotation for single target and AOE. I've ready the written guides but want to see someone break it down in actual practice. Anyone have any handy links? I appreciate any and all help.
signal plover
I think Pika did a video guide recently but haven't watched it myself yet
patent osprey
Same, I think Pika did one
vocal bison
Same, I think Pika did one
Yea I think you’re right.
grand drum
Nah, Pika plays rogue
main lance
He did but I don’t believe it covered rotation
steel fiber
Hello guys, i did several runs SoA always trying to know how the pack of birds which we all love to reflect works, and i didn't realize how did this bird works, they are randomly casting one after the other, so how do we deal to make them cast at the same time ? Thanks a lot !
main lance
Icy veins guide has a good breakdown of rotation
finite citrus
just looking for some quick answers for a friend, but usually what's your overall uptime of shield block for a mythic 10-15?
deft sapphire
With reprisal I’ve been getting around 70% uptime I think
That’s with anger management not bolster
sweet egret
Check out the <#238066915187097600> channel pins, I believe there’s a step by st...
can't get this to work, from what I can find it's been patched
digital arch
can warrior nightfae be a good prot?
unique shale
i ganna go night fea should i do 2 days before weekly resat or it doesn't matter ?
unique shale
can warrior nightfae be a good prot?
giga dps
and good to pin down caster from casting since they keep getting mini stun
digital arch
nice
unique shale
soulshap for kiting
digital arch
im tanking as nightfae and i loved
but all the time someone tell to me that is best the kirian
unique shale
i would have been venthyr but pugs don't kick shits so i think nf is bis for that
digital arch
i use nightfae, some fights i get the top dps
unique shale
but all the time someone tell to me that is best the kirian
it is for extra pot that cleanse bleed or other things
digital arch
im using the same gear that my fury
its good
i just use the legion at the trinket of critic
unique shale
yeah both haste is bis so super optimize then playing arm
fringe marten
If you're alliance either of the dwarf races+Kyrian make the dungeon bleeds, and up through a lot of heroic raiding irrelevant. (on mythic the racial/phial only cures a couple effects in castle nath 😦 )
unique shale
i am human and i don't care about that phial
fringe marten
That's fine; you get to stun stuff with your covenant ability and have first strike/etc (and burrs)
unique shale
im looking now for the shield and weapon better
i mean i saw warrior has higher rio then me with lvl 207 shield XD
tbh gameplay and group is more important that having super high ilvl
fringe marten
Yeah. M+ is just like raiding..you aren't going to go in, and just win because you 'are pretty good at playing prot warrior' (or whatever other class) You have to have a strategy, a team..and then put in practice on the dungeons. Because depending on your covenant/team/race etc..you'll tackle different parts of a zone differently (kite earlier, pull an extra pack and burst down because you can sustain longer..whatever)
A lot of people get discouraged because they try a 16 or something in a pug and it falls to pieces and they aren't sure if they were a bad tank, or if the group was bad or what happened..so they think it's 'hard'.
As you get to tougher stuff you are gonna' have little mistakes that wipe you, cost you too much time..die for some reason you didn't expect..whatever. Your group has to be willing to take that failure, and go back and try again. If not you're going to be just jumping into random pugs and have random results and most often it won't be favorable.
unique shale
i ganna go night fea should i do 2 days before weekly resat or it doesn't matter ?
fringe marten
The difference between a 207 shield and a 226 is like..? 2% block mitigation and like 1.5% armor or maybe less? That's not the difference of being able to talke the world..and dying instantly~
placid oar
can't get this to work, from what I can find it's been patched
ah okok, i had no idea. Thanks for highlighting
fringe marten
I think if you're gonna' change covenant I think you want to do it on the previous week? because it takes two weeks I think to fully do it.? I haven't changed so you'll have to ask someone who has.
unique shale
i hit 30 on kyrain in half week
fringe marten
Most people I know do it the night before the weekly reset..so they get the full week in as their fully leveled covenant, than change..and get the 'week' timer skipped by hitting weekly reset on tuesday morn.
Had a rogue in my guild do it..twice? or 3x? now
But I'm honestly not sure about details at all..so I'd do more research.
unique shale
idk is it worth to go nf tbh cause i went kyrain and i dislike it cause i couldn't kit well without door
fringe marten
Are you a prot warrior..?
unique shale
y
fringe marten
You couldn't kite with intervene, leap, 2x charge an aoe stun, an aoe fear..?
unique shale
none elite is easy to kite but elite
fringe marten
I totally respect not WANTING to kite, but we certainly have the ability to DO it. I think you got really used to having shadow door (as you will having that NF blink)..and feel like there's a missing part of your kit without it.
unique shale
it is hard plus intervene depends on people pos so
fringe marten
Right..often you're leaping away...waiting until they come toward you..then charge back to it..intervene 'through' to something else..etc (provided the mob won't 1 tap you)
Or charging to a distant caster (like in spires..or something)
Not blaming you...you got used to having an ability. Just like I'm used to having phial now.
If I lose phial...I lose a 'third' healing item, I lose a necrotic/bleed cure...I lose the ability to activate golems in necro wake..etc etc. Stuff I'm USED to having now.
so if I gained shadow door I'd be thinking "who cares..I lost all that other stuff"
You got used to a playstyle with something; and lost it. So you either have to adjust to it with what you have now..or regain that ability or something similar.
What you're going through is why a ton of us got used to using the wall in M+ from the first couple weeks because we poured ALL of our soul ash into it for raiding. Then made thunderlords..and didn't like them at all. Because we got USED to a playstyle that the wall provided.
Plka was the top M+ prot warrior on venthyr for a long time, and everyone under him was kyrian. He ran venthyr for raiding dps as fury and just found a way to make the venthyr toolkit work for him in M+...I bet he missed shadowstep too when he swapped. You can make the toolkit work for you however you want..if you want shadow step back; go back..nothing wrong with it. Unless you're trying to compete for an MDI win or world first race where you HAVE to be the best thing to compete with other players using the best thing; do whatever...utilize the kit well and you'll do fine.
All I'm saying is...I got this clear plastic bunny full of Ferrero Rocher's for easter; and I love these things.
unique shale
cool
main lance
True, rotation is next video
Looking forward to that one, first one was brilliant thanks for the work 👍
digital arch
im using this for Prot, is the best?
flint cliff
I am using the last stand conduit instead of the IP conduit, but thats prsonal pref
jagged pier
brutal vitality is dogshit
flint roost
I wish the soulbind/conduit stuff was more...interesting i guess is the right word?
I dunno maybe its just the expansion fatigues
solemn magnet
I'd go korayn instead of niya
digital arch
I'd go korayn instead of niya
this so?
solemn magnet
modern brook
sand condor
this so?
I use that personally
It’s pretty nice
First strike is good to take if you have aggro issues on pulls
solemn magnet
its for the dam not the aggro
wanton harness
anyone got a good vod of +15 or higher SD this week, wanna see timings for when i should hit certain parts to i know what i need to speed up to make timer
spring crypt
So I know venthyr isn't really good for prot, how would y'all go about using it properly? Just use it on single target in place of ignore pain when able?
solemn magnet
pretty much
topaz dragon
Anyone else popping? Or am I doing something wrong?
sweet summit
popping? 
topaz dragon
haha, just dying
sweet summit
do you have logs?
strong forum
patent osprey
subtle tulip
What dung you getting popped in?
mental scarab
@patent osprey 
mental scarab
Coolest prot Warrior 
granite atlas
is there a tank dps ranking somewhere?
sweet summit
best you can do is probably to look at warcraft logs 🤔
granite atlas
Subjectively warri feels good dps wise but i cant really compare it to my other tanks because of the gear differences
unique shale
tender kraken
what talents would u suggest for m+
granite atlas
No booming voice?
wanton quest
Hey, i am currently leveling the prot, why is it better to use devastator instead of war machine? I feel comf to have a plus skill and it is good rage boost too
sweet summit
war machine might be better while leveling idk
sweet summit
what bleed
granite atlas
bleeding at DoS
huh? what mob
sweet summit
kite and let it fall off?
digital arch
i did it, but the dot hurts a lot
sweet summit
raptors or berserkers?
unique shale
i did it, but the dot hurts a lot
don't get more then 4 dot
otherwise you will die from more
100%
in higher keys you have to get less than 4 dots even
brittle owl
sacred roost
Reprisal legendary is a pain to maintain.
echo arrow
Quick question about reprisal, if i'm offtanking, and i intervene on the main tank, will i block all attacks ? Tooltip says "all melee attacks against you"
granite atlas
in higher keys you have to get less than 4 dots even
Rly? I only ever did higher keys as a bear but i dont even know what dot you mean
granite atlas
Reprisal legendary is a pain to maintain.
I love the idea but I'm sacred i will find it annoying to cast intervene during combat
last ivy
I've just levelled my prot. That leggo does seem to be a pain in the arse
delicate iron
I love the idea but I'm sacred i will find it annoying to cast intervene during ...
You can literally focus cast it on some melee and most the time you won't even move so it makes no difference, just remember to use it
granite atlas
You can literally focus cast it on some melee and most the time you won't even m...
So you enjoy using it? I haven't tried it yet just contemplating if i should get this leggo or the wall
delicate iron
I love it, allows for so much more aggressive pulls as your shield block is up more often. Plus you can get conduit which reduces damage your intervene target takes by 13% which is great addition
Obviously it takes a while to get used to it
delicate iron
Yep, or focus
Or both 😁
It can be tricky in raids as you won't always be able to move away to charge and intervene might kill you by taking too much damage or extra stack of dot, however, in M+ you can easily CC to move away and charge back
Give it a go, definitely worth trying
solar spear
i find it's best to keep it on mouseover, but that does need a bit of mental bandwith to see who's in a roughly good position before you use it
otherwise you might be pinging everywhere, which isnt so good on certain packs
twin vine
Anyone have tips for areenweald section of DoS. 90% of the time this is where the run will go south for me between dps face pulling unnecessary adds, damn star fall pulling everything, people pulling Aggro when trying to LoS to urn etc I feel like every time at least something funky happens in there
I try to follow the route but 9/10 times I end up having to improvise cause the shenanigans mess my % up
sterile moss
doesn't starfall not pull stuff that's not in combat?
maybe if losing aggro just give each pack a couple seconds where you build threat then move on and pull another
also make sure the first packs you pull are the ones that dps are most likely to ninjapull
patrolling runestags, etc
unkempt fox
@twin vine pull first 3 packs so there is nothing to asspull for dps then get the middle pack and middle patrol and pull them back and kill pride
Then run to urn and get another patrol and the birds to the right so nothing to asspull again @twin vine
sterile moss
it's annoying to have to urn as tank
unkempt fox
After that jump down kill everything else nothing to ninja again and the count is perfect @twin vine
twin vine
doesn't starfall not pull stuff that's not in combat?
You know I’m not sure maybe they just let it rip after things aggro and it looks like it caused it
sterile moss
yeah probably ^
the main things to watch out for in that section are: (1) dont step in swirlies or get put to sleep
(2) never let a hatchling cry
(3) don't hit something that's next to a matriarch
twin vine
dps love to pull the stealthed spriggans to the right before the middle section
sterile moss
body-pull it and then hit it when it's far away. you don't want to fight matriarchs
the ones next to the urn?
I always get there myself and pull them
twin vine
nah the other ones
sterile moss
idk. my path goes to the right of the dragon, so there's only one stealthed pack there
twin vine
Then run to urn and get another patrol and the birds to the right so nothing to ...
you mean the patrolling birds and then the 5 birds in the water?
unkempt fox
Yep that way there is nothing to ninjapull @twin vine if group is coordinated there are def better ways to do it
twin vine
yeah i just need to keep practicing this section
everything else is butter but give pugs a big open section with lots of enemies and things can go south lol
sterile moss
if things go south remember that it's a very kitable section with lots of space to run backward
twin vine
very true
I think the hardest part for me is the approach to the urn grabbing the pat and the birds + spriggan pack there without everyone blasting away and grabbing aggro
sterile moss
if you have another nf in the group make sure to assign them urn duty
twin vine
but since im still learning prot i havent done very high keys so hopefully that gets better
in the 5-10 range no one waits for positioning
twin vine
😿
tulip coral
Do y'all have any fun macros you use to weave intervene for reprisal?
Or any macros that make it easier?
haughty falcon
Who enchant will better for M+ Lightless Force or Celestial Guidance ?
wicked pulsar
atomic flicker
Why am i taking soo much dmg
I feel like im wearing paper
I have shield block and IP up all the time but im still getting rekt
fleet river
Or any macros that make it easier?
I use a macro that intervenes my mouseover so I just hover over a melee friend and never lose target
tulip coral
Not a bad idea actually
fleet river
/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead] Intervene; Charge```You'd need to either track intervene cooldown separately or mouse over a friendly to see the cooldown on the button
Be careful on something like denathrius blood price that you're holding right click if you are trying to charge him because basically everywhere on your screen will be considered a friendly target and try to intervene
fleet river
I have shield block and IP up all the time but im still getting rekt
Take a look at the damage breakdown. If it is physical damage and you really do have shield block and ignore up, and the mobs are in front of you (very important), then it just comes down to gear. If the damage that wrecks is mostly magic then you and your group need to be more diligent about interrupting and stunning dangerous mobs.
Unless you're like ilevel 170 trying to do +12 or higher keys I highly doubt it is the former
If you don't already, you really need something big and obvious tracking shield blocks duration. It doesn't last very long so it can be easy to think it is up when it isn't
And keeping all the mobs in front of you should be in the front of your mind every single pull. Most tanks are constantly making small movements backwards in small circles because when mobs are stationary they spread out. If they spread too far they can get dangerously close to outside of your front 180⁰
Also don't be afraid to use cooldowns. With bolster your last stand cooldown is only 2 minutes. In the 12-18 key range that is basically every other pull. Similar story with shield wall but add a pull between. Try to avoid using both at the same time
raw gyro
NF>Kyrian?
fleet river
All covenants work
There are arguments in which kyrian is better. You get the spear to kite with, faster rage generation, and the phial is on its own level.
With NF you get to terrorize groups of caster mobs but it comes with slower rage gen and the caveat of losing all the benefits if they move out of the area (see: sanguine) and having a longer cd
I can see soulshape being useful but I rarely feel like I need more mobility buttons
Most tanks can work with any covenant, meaning if you are in a static group you get to be the one to fill whichever covenant isn't already covered and you'll be fine with any of them
sterile moss
I have shield block and IP up all the time but im still getting rekt
It's not necessarily advisable to have IP up "all the time," but if you have logs it would help us help you
fervent kestrel
Hey guys, I know this is all subjective but I’m just coming back after three months away and I have a 190 Prot warrior and 190 bear. I’m doing up to 15 keys, all pugging. Which class is better at covering up the mistakes pugs inevitably make?
distant crystal
by gearing them up first
lavish oracle
Oh, I misunderstood the question I see
distant crystal
he's asking which one to gear up for doing keys...i think
lavish oracle
Bear is very tanky, no doubt about that
distant crystal
and I think they're both fairly similar in that regard really. Druid is a lil tankier
warr is a lil clappier
Warr has a lil more cc
Which I guess can help carry the grp
lavish oracle
With a pretty straightforward playstyle and simple but powerful legendaries
That said warrior is more fun and you'll have an easier time with threat
gleaming pecan
I’m looking to start leveling my prot warrior, I have a couple questions. Is prot warrior close to dh as far as tanks go after the last patch? And does one covenant stick out more than the rest? It seems like on icy veins they can all be useful
fleet river
I’m looking to start leveling my prot warrior, I have a couple questions. Is pro...
All covenants are fine really. Necrolord is more of a support covenant. Banner is useful but maximizing benefit from it can be tricky.
Prot war can do all the same content a DH can apart from the very highest keys where the lack of ranged aoe fear, ranged aoe silence, ranged aoe root (seriously who the fuck thought giving all of those to one class was a good idea) will hold your team back by limiting mob control options
gleaming pecan
I don’t really plan on pushing anything above like a 15 possibly if I even ever get there
amber herald
high keys are gated by damage
demon hunters bring more damage because of chaos brand
15s with warrior will be omega fine
fleet river
Yeah honestly warrior is probably better at 15s than DH because you're a lot more tanky outside of your cooldowns
Prot war is probably in the most dire spot in nathria out of all the tanks but it's still 10000% doable and fine
unique sable
Yea warriors are more then fine raiding there was a port warrior for world first mythic and they have only been buffed since
Prot*
gleaming pecan
Oh okay awesome. So pretty much night fae or kyrian is the optimal covenant choice?
fleet river
Yea warriors are more then fine raiding there was a port warrior for world first...
World first is not a good measure of meta. They brought 2 warriors because they needed 2 rallying cries
unique sable
Sure but it shows that they can clear content more then fine doesn’t mean they are the best for more casual content I agree
fleet river
Pretty much everything is viable. I bet a determined enough group could get CE with nothing but demo locks ,survival hunters, mistweavers, and prot warriors
Might take more gear and more reps than any other group in history but it can be done
gleaming pecan
I was just asking to make sure I wouldn’t hit 60 and then have a hard time getting in to groups cause I have the option to level a dh also
But I’ve never played dh tank before
fleet river
Oh okay awesome. So pretty much night fae or kyrian is the optimal covenant choi...
If you want to know the "best" prot warrior covenant you're going to get 3 different answers, all of them are "not venthyr". I like kyrian because of the phial and because spear is great for rooting a pack and leaping away
Night fae is 'better' for m+ tanking under perfect conditions but how often does that really happen?
gleaming pecan
Night fae does the different type of shock wave right?
fleet river
It's a 12s ground effect with a short stun every 3s. Damage dealt and rage generated
signal plover
and it's a knockdown so it doesn't DR with stuns
fleet river
Kyrian spear is a 4 sec root with instant rage gen, instant damage and short dot
gleaming pecan
Oh okay, which covenant is most played for the other specs? Is there one that is good for all specs?
fleet river
Kyrian is probably the best if you'd like to keep being competitive in dps
It will always be behind venthyr but condemn is not a good ability for tanking
signal plover
NF is actually strong for fury as well i believe
fleet river
It costs too much rage to use early on in large pulls
fresh ruin
Quick prot question for M+
signal plover
condemn is fine for ST tanking tho, big bonk dmg
fresh ruin
should i be stacking haste/mastery, or haste/verse, or haste/crit?
fleet river
Haste vers
signal plover
ilvl>secondaries
gleaming pecan
Thank you for the info guys I appreciate it
fresh ruin
i see alot of people using acidslough bulwark (whaich is haste/mastery), and im wondering why they would use that
signal plover
only secondary we "stack" is haste
just because mastery is our "worst" stat doesn't mean it's a bad stat
gleaming pecan
Is prot warrior above prot paladin?
fleet river
Probably just availability. Ive seen like 2 shields above 220 in months
fresh ruin
so wouldnt barricade of the endless emp be better (high haste/crit)?
signal plover
ppl use what they can get
signal plover
Is prot warrior above prot paladin?
in dmg reduction, yes, in dmg output, no. that being said, all tanks are still strong and comparable
gleaming pecan
That’s kind of what I was seeing from YouTube videos. Is that they are all@close
fleet river
I had to bribe a raid buddy for a shield token from heroic SLG just to get a shield above 207
signal plover
that's prolly the best way to get a shield outside of pvp
stable kernel
luckily my pala has ksm so
signal plover
226/233 shields are limited to vault or m SLG (and then raid vault)
stable kernel
i got a bss first m0 thats 220 and a shield thats 220
i dont really raid so
220/226 shield best i can get
i dont pvp either
signal plover
266 is perfectly fine
flat cosmos
Hey guys, is there a preferred way of finding guilds these days? Like in game search / application vs web based finder etc?
signal plover
there's recruitment discords
stable kernel
266 is perfectly fine
266 would be pog
signal plover
sry fakkin in a key lol
lone turret
hey all im a total noob to prot + tanking, im having a really tough time managing my rage and how to spend it, should i be trying to keep 100% uptime on shield block and using ignore pain to fill the gaps in that?
sterile moss
the rule for IP usage is simple: use it if you're (1) in danger of dying; (2) taking lots of magic/bleed damage
lone turret
and outside of that it has no place in the core rotation?
signal plover
(3) if you're about to overcap rage*
lone turret
okay so im only thinking about managing shield block + using ignore pain to mitigate bigger / magic dmg
signal plover
since revenge is on the GCD
sweet girder
Dont give him weird info.
sterile moss
?
sweet girder
@lone turret Prot warrior "skill" after maintaining shield block, is playing properly to know when your rage is better spent on Revenge, vs wasting it on IP.
The guys are right, but its up to you to play properly.
lone turret
yeah just trying to figure that bit out 🙂
sweet girder
Yeah, its up to you basically, your character and your reflexes/knowledge are your own, the general rule is always shield block 24/7, if you are confident after that, waste rage on Revenge
signal plover
tbh, for a complete pwarr beginner, if all they did was press IP when they needed to dump rage they'd b fine
sweet girder
if you arent, spam that IP cause you arent ready yet.
sweet girder
tbh, for a complete pwarr beginner, if all they did was press IP when they neede...
Pretty much.
signal plover
by far and away the most important thing is maintaining shield block while you're taking blockable damage and when there's a gap covering it pre-emptively with shield wall or other defensives
sweet girder
yeah just trying to figure that bit out 🙂
you will quickly also discover you have threat issues if you arent playing correctly, its why Reprisal is a strong legendary at the same time.
bronze epoch
Hey folks, if you were to do just m+ as prot would you go kyrian or night fae? Or does it matter that much?
signal plover
kyrian is a bit more defensive and NF is a bit more offensive
for just m+ prolly NF cuz big dam
bronze epoch
Ok tyvm, that aoe silence thingy looks sick too tbh
signal plover
both those covs are so strong that it almost just comes down to which aesthetic you like better
bronze epoch
I am groot?!?!?!
fleet river
If you're spending all your rage on IP your group is going to pull threat from you, at least the mage combusting on the target you didn't shield slam first
Reprisals main benefit is not having to spend rage on that first revenge
While also having mitigation up
jagged pier
anyone finding the higher you pug the harder it is to get invited?
grim radish
I run prot venthyr with theotar strictly for the tubbins and gubbins don’t care what the experts say
lavish oracle
That's basically always true for tanks, meta or not
main talon
Just wondering if someone can tell me.. why am i now hearing prot warr is the better tank class?
bold plume
I don’t think they mean better than veng but a better class overall ?
Than what it used to bev
lavish oracle
Prot's good, there's some speculation that they'll be the best tank next season with prideful going away
Turns out a huge mob that does big ticking magic damage hurts for a tank who's biggest weakness is dots and magic damage
😄
mild jolt
Prot's good, there's some speculation that they'll be the best tank next season ...
xD who have thought it
signal plover
Most ppl that have been in here since at least 9.0 prolly
Pwarr been juicy all xpac was just missing a couple things
Also kite meta
mild jolt
i disslike the kite meta a lot. even if my swap to nightfae makes it a bit better to handl
e
lavish oracle
Yeah, now that our damage is comparable or better than DH and our block uptime is improved with reprisal, we're looking very good going into next season
mild jolt
yep, i finaly touch my prot again. for a long time i only played arms. Now i push in m+ . but this week affix are also rly good
nimble laurel
How do you all decide what to spend rage on during Prideful? Damage, Shield Block, vs IP
lofty widget
SB is highest prio, melees hurt more than anything, as it gets stacks i tend to move from revenge spam to weaving IP
for the magic dmg
amber herald
I try to keep spell reflect and demo shout for the DR when it'll be on higher stacks and commit rally for the last 20% of the pride's hp as well
grand trellis
Can you guys recommend some warrior streamers?
torn stump
@patent osprey is great to watch, you learn about warrior tanking and how to passive aggressively tell your dps they're doing things wrong
grand trellis
I love passive aggressiveness!
patent osprey
HUGE Passive Aggressiveness
uneven mason
It is more passive aggressive than Nomeratur's mournful sighs though?
placid oar
Can you guys recommend some warrior streamers?
Check out Pika’s prot warrior guide on YouTube as well. It’s pretty informative.
jagged pier
when plka does the same thing as me but is 10000000x better at the class
reprisal or the wall
the wall is alot easier to use
shoulders
yes
tldr get both leggos
ilvl on leggos doesnt mean much like if u use reprisal correctly in m+ its better than a lot of leggos at 190 even if they 235
nah to get full use of reirprisal u need to charge on cd and intervene on cd
where to get full use of the wall
u just press SS
yes
it stacks
but then u loose a revenge proc
so thats bad usage
shield slam
subtle tulip
Yea but check out Plka's vid! tells you everything you need to know to make a solid start with tanking as a warrior.
junior osprey
So the wall is still pretty solid in m+ if I wanted to get that first? Can’t make reprisal until upper reaches comes up
jagged pier
u can
just go to twisting corridors
and reset till u get upper reaches
at layer 3
then do the 6 floors
ez leggo
grand trellis
Check out Pika’s prot warrior guide on YouTube as well. It’s pretty informative.
Thanks man. Will do
mellow gorge
how good is ~52% shield uptime throughout a dungeon without using reprisal 🤔
jagged pier
overall uptime?
mellow gorge
overall
jagged pier
bad
mellow gorge
hmm
mellow gorge
number 1 is let go of the past lol
jagged pier
as u can have it up and not be blocking anythiong
toxic prairie
What do we need to check , effective uptime ?
sweet summit
What do we need to check , effective uptime ?
blocked hits
jagged pier
like u can get 70%+ effective uptime with bolster and without reprisal
sweet summit
in logs
toxic prairie
Gotcha, so a good thing would be like, 80 percent blocked hits over a run right ?
sweet summit
80% blocked hits is solid
you can have SB up and not taking damage at all
but then take damage without SB up
so its kinda
dogshit to look at pure uptime
uneven wagon
oh cool ty
jagged pier
jagged pier
LUL
strong forum
i didnt even use demo on CD
jagged pier
jagged pier
youll get it next time
strong forum
yes but BSC is much more dmg in m+
sweet summit
aye
mellow gorge
so boomy boom for dmg is not that good?
strong forum
only in ST
sweet summit
its good, but bsc is better in aoe
mellow gorge
i wonder why they won't buff it for prot and leave it as is for fury
mellow gorge
ah yes
buff it for one spec
and leave it as is for the other
smh
but ah well now i gotta get used to rage not being capped
with no rage on DS
sweet summit
dragon roar is better for prot than it is for fury since it generates 10 more rage for prot lmao
still very underwhelming
bring back pre-patch dragon roar
solid cairn
what was diffenrent?
atomic schooner
yo guys
bis neck aside pvp is... HoA one?
waxen cradle
atomic schooner
and chest is from hoa too?
i mean im trying to gear my alt and i rely mostly on boe/m+ gear
dont wanna pvp :C
sweet summit
hoa chest aye
atomic schooner
nice
gloomy cradle
Legs from there solid as well
stone sonnet
Ho guys
Hi*
I try reprisial for the First time
I gas hard time ti understand some stuff
Should i use intervene on CD?
zenith brook
Hi guys I have a question about what legendary it's better for raid as Tank Warrior
stone sonnet
Hi guys I have a question about what legendary it's better for raid as Tank Warr...
The wall
unique shale
Hi guys I have a question about what legendary it's better for raid as Tank Warr...
read guides
stone sonnet
How do you use intervene?
lavish oracle
If you're playing reprisal, on cd
stone sonnet
And could be worth ti use both charge stack on the same pull?
floral pewter
How do you use intervene?
mouseover macros, focus macros, or click-to-cast addons like Clique are all good
stone sonnet
I mean with reprisial
strong forum
basically on CD
lavish oracle
I just have it on a mouse over and cast it basically on cd
floral pewter
it's not critically important to use charge/intervene exactly on CD, but on any pull where you want the uptime, it's worth some effort to use them pretty close to on CD
lavish oracle
There's some nuance when you have to kite or might over cap SB duration but I wouldn't get too hung up on that
stone sonnet
With reprisial After charge and avatar,i cast Thunder clap raveger,intervene charge
Is It correct?
strong forum
ravager - charge + avatar - revenge - intervene - revenge/SS/TC+SB
stone sonnet
Raveger before charging?
strong forum
yes
muted pendant
build threat upfront
stone sonnet
Sb?
lavish oracle
First damage tick takes a sec, might as well save yourself a global
Shield block = sb
stone sonnet
No ignore pain in opener?
lavish oracle
It's a rage dump
So use it when you're taking a lot of damage and have rage to dump
Otherwise dump into revenge
strong forum
no, its your main dmg button, especially in aoe
strong forum
over TC, sometimes, depending on how much rage you have
lavish oracle
Over TC sometimes, not over SS
strong forum
whatever is closest
stone sonnet
Do you suggest a macro?
strong forum
the one linked on icyveins
with the mouseover intervene
basically the same thing we've been using since bfa
stone sonnet
Mousover on the same Botton of charge,right?
strong forum
ye
dark lark
I have two helmets that I can upgrade via valor- haste mastery leech vs haste vers. Probably go the first one right?
Mastery also benefit my off specs
stone sonnet
I'm item level 155 and i tanked +8 spires, i used 97 ignore pain...too much?
sturdy sable
Well
At that ilvl
Your probably gonna play more defensive then you would at a better gear level
stone sonnet
Understand
sturdy sable
But really ignore pain isn't gonna save your life
lavish oracle
Fair warning when using intervene, be careful that you don't intervene in a way that puts your back to the mobs
stone sonnet
U guys are really helpfull!
dense sun
If I'm not taking complete advantage of Reprisal, i.e. I'm not charging/intervening on cooldown, is the Wall better? Or in other words, do I have to be maximally efficient/effective with for it to be better than the Wall?
sturdy sable
U guys are really helpfull!
It's what we are here for
lavish oracle
You have a pretty big margin for error with reprisal for it to still be better than the wall in M+
dense sun
You have a pretty big margin for error with reprisal for it to still be better t...
Glad to hear that, thank you!
sturdy sable
Yeah you'll only get better with it with experience as well
floral pewter
If I'm not taking complete advantage of Reprisal, i.e. I'm not charging/interven...
trading Bolster+Wall for AM+Reprisal gives you basically the same shield wall cooldown, but you lose 15 seconds of block every 2 minutes
sturdy sable
Playing pinball as a mini game while your tanking takes a little getting used to
floral pewter
so if you're using charge/intervene at least 4 times in 2 minutes, it's already a net gain
and that's not a high bar
dense sun
Makes sense
stone sonnet
But really ignore pain isn't gonna save your life
Uhm,so what should save my life?
sturdy sable
Your healer
stone sonnet
Lol
floral pewter
shield block, indomitable, and your healer
sturdy sable
Better blocks
floral pewter
trading a full rage bar for ~12k healing just isn't a big deal
sturdy sable
Better as in using your block uptime better (also a better shield helps)
floral pewter
if you're struggling, sure, spam IP
but it's not impactful enough to be worth it all the time
lavish oracle
Which does more damage on 8 targets in wake, the spear or the orb?
stone sonnet
On dungeon boss revenge only when it procs,right?
stone sonnet
So the same in aoe scenario
floral pewter
yes
stone sonnet
Rage to spend you mean 70/80 rage?
floral pewter
no, I mean that you have some rage and you can afford to spend it
rather than eg needing to save it for a shield block or pooling to IP a mechanic or something
next copper
Do you guys prioritize Haste or Versatility to any thresholds for your Prot gear? I don't tank much at the moment, but I keep my gear options for it updated in case one of our Mythic MTs has to miss a raid. I could run about 11% Haste/20% Versatility, or 30% Haste/10% Versatility, roughly, arranging pieces around.
stone sonnet
Last question for today, booming voice or revenge talent?
floral pewter
BSC for dungeons or aoe, BV for single-target
stone sonnet
Why bv for single target? Isn't shout more strong in aoe scenario?
floral pewter
nope
I mean, yes in the sense that almost anything adds more damage in aoe
but revenge is a small fraction of your damage in ST, and probably your #1 damage source in AoE
so buffing it on aoe is a big deal, buffing it on ST is not
while shout is worth about the same in both scenarios; it's 10 seconds of +20% damage
stone sonnet
Make sense!
chilly brook
but revenge is a small fraction of your damage in ST, and probably your #1 damag...
Small you say?
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toxic prairie
Am I missing something with community perception for prot warriors? I have a prot pally and prot warrior, both 210 ilevel. On my prot pally I can get in to high io groups no problem (I am 900 ish io on both ). On my prot warrior, I can only get into 11’s or 12’s with a who’s who of people you would never want to play with
chilly brook
We've always been fine
Lots of bads out there though that make the class look bad tbh
kindred pewter
So confused
What’s the point?
Revenge isn’t 50% of your dps so don’t press it or what
floral pewter
My point is that 20% of 10% of your damage is not a lot
so BSC is not very exciting on ST
on aoe, it's more than 10% of your damage, so +20% is a lot
sweet summit
BV on ST yeah, thats tru
floral pewter
BV gives +20% damage with 22% uptime, so even if you are absolute dogshit at aligning cooldowns, that's at least +4.5% total damage
sweet summit
sturdy trench
guys we need to all swapp away from venthyr
so they buff condemn
because we all like spamming 1 button
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sweet summit
im still venthyr 
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haughty token
184 GS rn, wondering if I should be farming for Blood Shattered Scales, since I already have Phial of Puterification
Then leveling their item levels up?
distant crystal
farm for errthang
haughty token
Or if I should be working on something else. Not quite sure what I'm doing tbh.
signal plover
get a high ilvl shield before trinkets
haughty token
Mine is 184, which is about as high as I can get on Mythic 0, do I try to find Mythic 1 or 2 runs and run those? Not sure what the gear break points are when i should attempt them etc
chilly brook
It's not even worth upgrading anything at 184
floral pewter
at ilvl 184, you definitely should be running stuff above M0
floral pewter
you can probably tank a +10 just fine if a group is willing to take you, but if not, +6 or so should be very doable
floral pewter
and yes, farm anima and renown for covenant gear
chilly brook
197 is well worth
floral pewter
even for a bis item like Scale, it's probably not worth the valor to upgrade starting from below 200
ideally 210
valor upgrades are expensive
upgrading one trinket from 184 to 220 would cost 4400 valor!
haughty token
ih damn