protection

[noble nacelle]

is better than passive procs doing my dps

[distant crystal]

passive procs and bootyclaps :*(

[noble nacelle]

i am not dummy thicc

so i never had the problem

[distant crystal]

but warr is getting leveled next

and i'll make yet another nightfae

[noble nacelle]

[hoary crow]

Is it healers’ fault if i use revenge over IP and die?

[modern brook]

Sure

[strong forum]

Eeh

Depends

But probably

[steep oracle]

anything can be the healers fault if you put your mind to it !

[chilly brook]

@strong forum smh this discord is washed

No april fools jokes or anything

[mighty cairn]

does BOP work on the sludgefist off-tank or will you cleave another melee with it?

[light thicket]

This kinda counts? Maybe?

[mighty cairn]

similarly can i get a BOP and intervene main tank to immune damage for a bit

[signal plover]

I prolly could have waited a bit longer

[chilly brook]

Theres better uses of BoP on that fight tbh

[light thicket]

Use it on self and kill a chained partner?

[chilly brook]

Or to save someone from dying if you see their partner is about to fuck up

[light thicket]

Oh right

Beating the boss and all that

[chilly brook]

[light thicket]

I tend to forget about that part

[chilly brook]

I just want a dead boss

[light thicket]

Ill settle with dead teammates

Especially if i can kill them

[chilly brook]

Rude

[light thicket]

We dpnt do mythic

And are farming hero

And trustme some of them deserve it

[uneven mason]

Chains kills you thought BoP yes?

[chilly brook]

No

[uneven mason]

oooooo

[chilly brook]

At least it didn't

[uneven mason]

Big brain

[chilly brook]

Used to be you'd BoP/sac people on purpose and pick who you wanted to sacrifice

[elfin nova]

Well you can only pick the 4 who get targeted

You bop whoever gets linked to the buyer on pull and then watch as they get chased 🙏

Has anyone tested bopping the offtank?

I assume the mt will just get double hit

[uneven mason]

used to do that on Fetid, IDK if it works

[sullen valve]

@ionic fern were are my Skyhold memes for today >:(

[lusty marsh]

I did my memes yesterday by doing mythic shriek and altimor in my 190 seismic.

[elfin nova]

You can hit 3 targets for about 5 seconds on huntsman

[strong forum]

Hidden behind the wowA paywall

[sullen valve]

What do you mean kek
I don't see a paywall

wait the fuck. I do

It really was only 1 month worth of premium after working on it for over a year lmao

[strong forum]

Damn...

[hushed pier]

Sorry in advance if this has been asked too much already, any advice for legs vs boots with reprisal lego?

[elfin nova]

Do you have/can you get slg mythic legs

If yes, make feet

If no, legs

[hushed pier]

thank you

[solemn magnet]

Even if you can, legs is kinda future proofing

[buoyant sorrel]

Just switched from venthyr to necro to start tanking letssss goooooo

[small marsh]

Is there any easy way, or any good tools for it, to tell what mobs are immune to spear tether? It's really irritating to be hurt, throw spear and run to start kiting, and have fuckers just walk straight out of the spear

[uneven mason]

Basically if they're a big one that is immune to stun/CC, they'll be immune to roots/tethers knockbacks etc

Also y kite

be 🚪

Finally, imagine using spear on Sanguine week

🤮

[small marsh]

Eh I didn't have sanguine in mind it was just a thought I had and I'm in the bathroom ducking work

:p

And sometimes 🧱 tanking hurts when DPS eat mechanics and the healer is busy trying to keep them from licking floor

[uneven mason]

Get better DPS?

I know, the impossible dream

"Can I has at least 2 DPS that don't get hit by stupid?" Plz RNGesus!

"NO You'll take your flipperhanded chimps and enjoy running dungeons as the top DPS!"

😢

[small marsh]

I laugh because otherwise I'd cry

It's absolutely night and day having decent DPS

[mighty cairn]

dps using utility properly is ridiculously important

another week where boomkin is op

[uneven mason]

But its our fault when they don't kick death's embrace

[uneven mason]

days that end with y

[mighty cairn]

also true

[chilly brook]

Gross literally the worst choice

[uneven mason]

That Xmog tho

🤘

[mighty cairn]

i switched back to kyrian to push keys this week but honestly my renown 10 night fae felt better

ancient aftershock carries so many packs

[chilly brook]

Because NF slaps

[uneven mason]

AA is really the best

[chilly brook]

[uneven mason]

Also Korayn

my love

if you wanna simp, simp for goat girl

[mighty cairn]

yeah spear of bastion this week is just another ravager

[chilly brook]

I'm not kidding when I say that AA is actually bonkers and better than anything Kyrian brings

[mighty cairn]

can't use a few seconds into a pull or the tether griefs sanguine

[chilly brook]

At least for keys

[mighty cairn]

at least phial is op as usual

[uneven mason]

AA knocking mobs down doesn't matter for sanguine

kno why

[mighty cairn]

but the nf blink/dash makes playing reprisal even more fun

[uneven mason]

Because when you they ☠️

[chilly brook]

Korayn AA/ravager/revenge spam

[uneven mason]

pain train

[chilly brook]

It go brrrr

[uneven mason]

Glittery Blue Pain train

[chilly brook]

Played my BrM yesterday

Fuck they're squishy

[uneven mason]

🤮

I got to 60 on my BrM

[chilly brook]

Like talk about a kiting tank

[uneven mason]

felt like I was wearing wet cardboard tanking a heroic

decided not to go higher

[chilly brook]

Doing 3-4k hps because massive absorb and stuff

And still a wet tissue paper

Still fun though

[uneven mason]

but hey, barrels of fun right?

I think I'd enjoy my monk more if i had named it Dongkiken

[chilly brook]

[uneven mason]

throwin barrels

tauren of course

[strong forum]

[uneven mason]

Kiingkong was taken

[strong forum]

Kungenkong

[uneven mason]

so was Chailatte

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[plush tendon]

why when I look for some high level M+ runs on twitch, I dont see any and all I see is Asmongold with 34k viewers : ^)

[uneven mason]

mdis are done

pushes are done basically as high as they can go

9.1 was announced

them boys are playing stuff like CoD for 2 weeks

until they can get their hands on that PTR

[plush tendon]

: ^)

[signal plover]

Also wow has been a dead twitch game for like forever

Cept for I guess asmon

[plush tendon]

I mean yes, but still usually around this time Nagurra or Naow are on. Gotta appreciate the hustle from ya boi Asmon though

[signal plover]

He took a break for awhile or sumthin right

[plush tendon]

I think so? I dont watch him, but the man is obviously doing something right... right?

[signal plover]

He has entertaining moments.

He also did HUGE work for Ashes of Creation

[noble nacelle]

Has anyone else ran into issues with Necrotic Wake trash % not matching with what MDT says

[plush tendon]

Yea, sometimes it happens

As long as im close to 69% before going up I feel fine; skipping last pride aint a huge deal

but again, I havnt been in the wake in a while... my soul belongs to the Theater of Pain until that ruby drops

[mild crater]

Hey guys, new here! Returning tank from Legion. Which trinket is better for us? I've got: Blood-spattered scale il 210, Stone Legion Heraldy 207 and Splintered heart of Al'ar 200.

[plush tendon]

BSS should be trinket 1, switch between Herald and Alar depending on whether you think you need cheat

[mild crater]

so herald for dps imprveoemtn and al'lar for cheat death. ty mate

[plush tendon]

yea, herald will be a slight DPS increase and general tankiness since it gives vers (obviously better if more people have it)

[mild crater]

ye nice tyfor reply

[chilly brook]

Yea he takes breaks every now and again

[cinder nova]

Is there a way to parse for additional players with SLH?

[chilly brook]

Like hes a degen

But hes an entertaining degen

[signal plover]

Ya

[chilly brook]

And honestly his takes are pretty good

[signal plover]

Agreed

[cinder nova]

Honestly I stopped listening to anything Asmon says on stream because it's legit a character for him.

[signal plover]

It is, doesn't mean the character's takes are invalid

[cinder nova]

Some of what he says is just ridiculous polemical bullshit, though.

[signal plover]

Sure

It's just entertainment after all

[cinder nova]

Yeah, and it goes hand-in-hand that I've never been the "watch streamers" sort.

Not sure why.

[signal plover]

Tbh I don't rly watch streamers either. Just catch clips here and there

[cinder nova]

Also holy fuck TOP makes my shield so hard. The Commander pack after first Pride I managed to peak over 26K burst.

[signal plover]

But in general whenever asmon has had reasonably serious discussions about the state of wow it's decent takes/conversations

[cinder nova]

Felt so cash.

[hollow sun]

guys, someone else feels way more squishy after the "buff" that prot received?

[cinder nova]

I wouldn't be shocked if they accidentally nerfed tanks.

lol

[plush tendon]

Probably just feeling the difference from Tyran to Fort

[plush tendon]

Neither would I TBH

[cinder nova]

Big ol' fuckin' laff.

[short kiln]

I've been reading some people complaining about reduced threat gen since update but haven't really played enough to notice

[hollow sun]

my main is healer, and i got ksm in bfa on the warr, so i know how to play it. But yesterday sanguine 14 really really humbled me. The damage take felt absurd

[cinder nova]

That's because SD is brutal on Fort.

[hollow sun]

even with bolstered last stand and IP i was getting trucked

[cinder nova]

It's one of the hardest Fort dungeons comparatively.

[hollow sun]

idk man, i haven't tanked keys over 12 in SL. I was just not expecting it to be so bad

my il is 209, so i should be able to tank a 14

[plush tendon]

I dont have exact data, but I just reviewed my Sludgefist logs from last week to this week, and the damage reduction seems to be working

[hollow sun]

well yeah. It would be funny though if they messed that up 😂

[cinder nova]

Wouldn't be shocked. Even M HD felt a littl easier.

Honestly last night I wanted to kill myself. I got so bored and just gamed my SB uptime.

[plush tendon]

Mythic HD is a borefest

[cinder nova]

Especially when your raid can't do mechanics.

[plush tendon]

be thankful you are still there and not starting mythic SLG today :^)

[cinder nova]

And you're just waiting for them to figure it out.

We wiped at 4% because I died over 10s of being punched under wall and shield block.

[plush tendon]

its going to be a 150 wipe slog

[plush tendon]

oof

[signal plover]

Playstyle is quite a bit different atm than it was in BFA. Make sure to check updated guides (icy veins) just to make sure you didn't miss anything

[cinder nova]

Yeah, the healers said I was"taking too much damage" I'm like

[plush tendon]

still better then 4 0% wipes on Mythic Sludge

[signal plover]

M SLG prog is fun

No meme

They've made the fight way more comfy

[plush tendon]

I have only heard negatives

[cinder nova]

"I'm taking less than 1K DTPS than the DH, under my biggest CD, with block up. That's not a me problem."

[signal plover]

Not many ppl have progged it since nerfs.

[plush tendon]

yea, hopefully this is the fight where I am not delegated to my DK : ^)

[signal plover]

The fights isn't as much of a shitshow as it used to be as far as I can tell. Like, wicked blade splashes are still bullshit but the rest of the nerfs have gone a long way

[plush tendon]

want to be playing my war

[chilly brook]

I don't feel like I'm less tanky after reset

[signal plover]

Play reprisal, am, bsc and do adds in P1

Gud times

Shit you even have AA

Even with spear it's a blast

[plush tendon]

yea, if Im playing my War on SLG, its going to be a great time

:D:D:D

[junior bough]

Between the new buff to reprisal legendary, which is better for M+ and raiding atm? Reprisal or The Wall?

[cinder nova]

M+ : Reprisal
Raiding: Wall

Some fights Reprisal is better, but that's only if you can swing it.

[uneven mason]

reprisal vs wall in raid is really a per fight thing, and how well you can use it

[cinder nova]

I use Reprisal on Hungering because there's a shedload of gaps to abuse for charge.

[junior bough]

For a general tanking lego if you were to pick one

[cinder nova]

Wall.

Wall can comfortably carry you through all the fights and it's not terrible in M+

[signal plover]

It's good in m+

[uneven mason]

I'm of the other end, Reprisal is a bonus in all fights and is amazing in M+ (more than the wall is amazing for raid)

I haven't equipped my wall since reprisal got bumped tbh

[cinder nova]

Reprisal isn't a bonus in all fights. Fights where you can't be mobile or positioning is important it fall on its face.

[sweet summit]

[uneven mason]

🤘

[cinder nova]

Noice.

[uneven mason]

Which fight?

Sludge is a big one

but you can use reprisal on sludge

[cinder nova]

Not when you're chained to your partner lol

[uneven mason]

requires some wrinkles in the grey

but your min range on charge is 8, and you can just let your partner lead by 6 then charge and you get a wonderful injection of rage and SB

wall prob still better there

[signal plover]

You can pretty much just charge now since the break range is 14 but like

[uneven mason]

but thats really the only huge one where I don't see reprisal being stronk

they're both good mind

[signal plover]

Ill be honest I hate it on sludge

Wall feels rly solid by comparison

[cinder nova]

On H or lower SF it's meme-tier strong

I wouldn't touch it on M tho

[uneven mason]

Seismic for sunkin

rite!

kidding, goal is to have almost no adds

[signal plover]

Reprisal prolly better for SK.

[uneven mason]

prolly

[signal plover]

I gotta plan out muh reclear memes

[uneven mason]

run UWU

[signal plover]

Ya know, for two months down the line when we kill sire lol

[uneven mason]

So one of my applicants, after 2 weeks of not showing up and being "hidden" on discord posts "I'm taking a break from wow guys, just giving a heads up"

Yeah, checks out, figured it out last week.

[thorn knoll]

Reprisal is BiS on Sludge, SB always up and you get Avatar for each pillar

the 14 yard chain nerf makes it super easy

[signal plover]

The avatar during every pillar is prolly the best argument for it

Bolster+wall cover the mitigation just as well

[uneven mason]

but pumping

[signal plover]

Yeh but pumping

[thorn knoll]

But being able to Avatar + Spear on pull and every pillar is juicy

[signal plover]

Literally what I said

[thorn knoll]

Yeah lol

[uneven mason]

if only AA had a slightly smaller CD

but can't complain for the 3 uses

[signal plover]

I love how spear lines up well with just about every raid mechanic

[uneven mason]

and AA is 15seconds short

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

So I need new co tank, anyone on stormreaver LF a guild of flipperhandedmonkies?

[signal plover]

Your world top tier pally left eh?

[uneven mason]

Thats what he says

[signal plover]

Cool

[uneven mason]

we'll see if he holds to it come monday

my ex co tank (who has been WW this whole time) is getting a VDH ready

[languid flower]

holds to the world top tier part, or the leaving part?

[uneven mason]

leaving part

dude parses green on farm fights

IDK which world he's top tier in

but its not ours

[languid flower]

his own!

hot take: parses are stupid and ruining the average player.
fact: it's because we gather metrics, but we don't gather/easily evaluate the right ones
anecdote: so many people tunneling the boss and not doing mechanics, expecting everyone else in the raid to cover for them "because we can't afford to lose their big dick dps"

[sweet summit]

what

[uneven mason]

wat

[languid flower]

which of course just makes them look even more invaluable when you look at recount.

[uneven mason]

"recount"

more boomer than me

[languid flower]

angry old man yells at cloud

I don't really care what damage tracker you use. you get my point.

[gaunt crane]

my m8 said this too, he's a priest and he can't X because he will lose dps. bruh if we are dead you wont dps

[ionic fern]

I hate that Details now tells me how bad of a tank i am because it shows Sanguine healing.

[fluid wraith]

when should i be making the switch to vers gear for pushing keys? i did a 17 sanguine the other night and during the gauntlet i felt like i was getting fucked.

[somber sky]

[ionic fern]

Definitely not at 17.

[fluid wraith]

yeah thats what i thought. im 219 10% vers and 27% haste

[uneven mason]

vers stacking is for obscene keys like 22s

[fluid wraith]

definetely couldve played better but felt harder than i thought for a 17

[uneven mason]

sounds like a "my DPS were not being good" issue

Like, "hey casters - do me a solid and stop them from casting"

[languid flower]

The gauntlet also just sucks

[fluid wraith]

my rogue did take 500k in sanguine damage to give you an idea of what i was running with

[uneven mason]

with quaking

sanguine sucks for melee

because its another thing that "hey I have to leave melee range"

[fluid wraith]

that dungeon is ass especially with this weeks affixes

[uneven mason]

or rush in and kick spells

so I take ticks

[fluid wraith]

anybody got suggestions for when to lust? last time we lusted first pack for lantern stacks, 2nd boss, and last boss

dunno if its necessary to lust each boss since we usually line up prode for it

pride

[lofty widget]

we lust bosses, dont feel like lusting first pull is worth it

[fluid wraith]

1st, 2nd, last?

[lofty widget]

yea

[fluid wraith]

spell reflext so good for 3rd boss

only need like 1 orb

[lofty widget]

indeed

i dont even take orbs, just get a full IP and youre fine

[fluid wraith]

ive been trying out AM but i feel like i get into a bad habit of revenge spamming too much when i use it

block uptime is never lower than 60% so maybe my healer is bad idk

[lofty widget]

as long as youre maintaining your block uptime and having IP for dmg smoothing, revenge spamming is fine

[wanton harness]

i like revenge spamming

[uneven mason]

AM and revenge spamming are like PB & J

they go together

[fluid wraith]

i think i have a hard time balancing the 2. im usually only using ip during a hard pull or only revenging on easy pulls

[uneven mason]

that's ok generally

[gaunt crane]

always 🙂

[fluid wraith]

i also dont have a scale which is holding me back. using 213 alar and 220 emitter

[languid flower]

I kept hearing you guys talk about this scale

but I've been pretty happy with what I've been running

[strong forum]

humming black dragonscale ye

[fluid wraith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/794373154822422551/826952738478227486/unknown.png my gear for anyone interested

[languid flower]

so I go look to see what I've got. turns out I got a 220 gluttonous spike and a 213 scale ><

[fluid wraith]

sounds like ur set

[languid flower]

So yeah, scale's great.

[fluid wraith]

i need to start logging my runs. trying to push for #1 prot on my server group (only like 1430io lol). do we do log reviews in here?

[uneven mason]

#449510248579858432 ?

[fluid wraith]

ah i see ty

[uneven mason]

we do em here too

because we're all bored

[fluid wraith]

i only ever use this channel on this server

[uneven mason]

sounds about right.

[solemn magnet]

You can post it here, too. A couple people are pretty good at finding errors

(not me)

[halcyon crest]

Does anyone know of a complete list of boss spells that can and/or should be reflected?
I feel like I'm missing a ton

[plush tendon]

In the Guides-Resource-Faq under prot

[tepid sparrow]

@halcyon crest https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQgrszRE22Brb0f5k761vUXVe7MD1-qHThpalxzn0zWFRdQqrh0hM5LcQNoa-lLz4781S5rH2e9tRXG/pubhtml

[halcyon crest]

noooice

[bold plume]

Hello, boys. I am joining the club

[plush tendon]

?

[subtle ginkgo]

do we have a haste cap?

[lofty widget]

not a reachable one

[plush tendon]

no, its our general best stat, but theres no limit or max we can reach. However, dont actively avoid other stats so go for i level (minus rings and neck, there is some leeway there)

[unkempt crystal]

which covenant should I pick as protection?

[lofty widget]

whichever you prefer, theyre very even and all has their up- and downsides

[plush tendon]

all are viable, but after trying Kyrian, Necro, and NF... gotta go with

[lethal arrow]

@fluid wraith how can you use gladiator title with another character when its char specific

[potent anvil]

Halls 19, prot warr is back

[hollow sun]

mouseover over your dmg? xD

i am still doing 2.6k

[fluid wraith]

its account wide now

[fluid wraith]

i can use it on lvl 1s

[hollow sun]

how do you do so much dmg with revenge?

[fallen hare]

simple, just unbind ignore pain

[ionic fern]

It has never left. 😦

[potent anvil]

I left...but I'm back now

[strong forum]

press it alot

and charge alot

[uneven mason]

many revenges

why would you use anyting else?

[hollow sun]

I feel very squishy so i use ip a lot

[strong forum]

get better dps and healers

👍

[potent anvil]

Most of your damage mitigation is sb imo

[short kiln]

Instead of using IP, just jump/Soulshape/Back away and then charge in when SB is back?

seems simple enough. LOL

now to actually do it.

[hollow sun]

usually its SB with ignore pain

[short kiln]

dead mobs can't hurt you

[uneven mason]

IP is nice for smoothing magic damage, otherwise its going to be better to pump some revenge

Like, if your healer is struggling, and you've got SB up, and kicks are going out

proooobably the healer

we're so frigging durable

[mighty egret]

you wont feel that squishy when the mobs are dead cuz of big dam

[short kiln]

also, the kicks are a huge part of that survival equation

[small marsh]

Teach me professor Deswind 🤣

[potent anvil]

I have a pov for prot I uploaded recently. Another halls key, because halls just seems giga for aoe padding lol

[small marsh]

Offhand questions, do you more or less pop avatar, ravager, and AA on cooldown?

[opal sedge]

Whats your healing done on this one?

[potent anvil]

Yeah, more or less

[opal sedge]

Still not bad

Good job on that key

[potent anvil]

Ty

[plush tendon]

lol, wish I could get my hpal to heal me like that; my healing tends to be at 2.5k and his is about the same

granted, hes pumping damage to

: ^)

[small marsh]

Ooohh hell yeah I'd love to watch some pov vids

[potent anvil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfeF8L-xuAc

[molten sigil]

lmao nice tmog Deswind

[plush tendon]

how did he get his camera view so far out

feels like im watching someone playing a RTS

[mighty valley]

You can zoom out that far in open air spaces

[eager flame]

Can you share your prot secondary stats ?

[lost dust]

What is the best to reflect on sire?

[sick sentinel]

that overal dmg is crazy

monkaW

[quaint onyx]

Like I want to go NF I just hate that it feels like I’m not bringing a unique covenant to the table in m+ dungeons. I’m probably putting too much value into that but w/e. Might just swap to NF anyway

[fallen hare]

Yeah I share this sentiment as well. My group already got 3 faes atm

[plush tendon]

Thats basically the only thing bad about NF. But for most people, its better to play what you like, unless you run with the same squad and are intending to push high keys

You pay to play this game to; play what you want, and things will work out in most cases. Hell, someone else couldve been Kyrian

[fallen hare]

I just charge my boomy 1k for every banner

[lethal arrow]

how big is vers defensivewise compared to ilvl?

[deep steppe]

Irrelevant

You don’t need vers unless it’s big keys

[bold plume]

if you're always pugging, banner is probably not worth correct?

[deep steppe]

Correct

[bold plume]

Kyruan it is

Kyrian*

[hoary crow]

im grey parsing on lady

why

[bold plume]

think youll need logs bro

[signal plover]

Prolly pressing IP a lot

[hoary crow]

yes 27 casts

[signal plover]

M or heroic?

[hoary crow]

mythic

[signal plover]

Prog or farm?

[hoary crow]

prog, 1st kill

[signal plover]

Did u live?

[hoary crow]

yes

was never a problem

[signal plover]

Then press revenge more

And your parse will go up

[hoary crow]

alright ill do that next time then

[signal plover]

You can also prolly line up CDs with ad spawns better n shit like that

[deep steppe]

IP: 📉
Revenge: 📈

[signal plover]

But that's the best I can give ya without logs

[ionic fern]

Too much healing. 😦

[unique shale]

200k for victory rush

damm

icould get to 50k but that's it

[snow tusk]

quick: does the stoneguard cleave in some shape or form?

from council

[potent anvil]

I dropped blood splattered for power overwhelming crystal. 52% crit on the opener for 5s to get aftershock to crit and spam revenge

Probably use scale for like 21+ maybe, dunno though.

[ionic fern]

I got no other trinkets. 😦

[snow tusk]

does the stoneguard from council cleave in any way?

[shut summit]

No

[tidal quarry]

Hey @potent anvil watched your YT link. Was wondering what addon/WA was telling you what mobs you were in/out of range of? Looks handy!

[balmy canyon]

Am I doing something wrong or is this week's M+ harder to tank as prot than last week was?

[red tree]

Just gotta be moving the mobs before they die

[distant crystal]

i mean this week is fort

mobs hit harder

[red tree]

Yeah but at least you can cc this week

[distant crystal]

necrotic was only really an issue with tons of mobs or slow dps

[red tree]

Slow dps is pug life man

[bold plume]

i had 217 fire mage dealing 2k dps last night

[strong forum]

thats cuz you actually have to play your combust properly to do dmg

[bold plume]

it was painful, didnt help the tank wasnt moving mobs around either, that key bricked in 5 minutes lol

[manic haven]

anyone have a route that skips the pack before ring and the pack before gauntlet in sanguine?

[spring mountain]

yep

Need it?

[pure sun]

Ayo starting Mythic sire prog today, how come more warrs take Anger Management over bolster for this fight?

[fringe marten]

you often don't tank him for long enough periods where you'd burn off both block charges then really need more block badly before a swap..then there's fairly long windows in between taunt swaps so you can regain your block charges.

[outer solstice]

yaaay

Lady finally down

love that boss xD if not for these damn ghosts

[dull zinc]

couldnt find anything but just double checking, there is no haste soft cap we should be aiming for?

[outer solstice]

it's over the reachable amount

around 160%

so yeah

as much haste as possible

[plush saffron]

More dam lol

[outer solstice]

lol

I have no xp on sire, but I heard he hits like a freight train

[plush saffron]

bolster was for crappy sb uptime, thing of the past with reprisal

[outer solstice]

yeah, but not sure if you maybe need the wall

for specific timers

as I said no clue of the details, we only jsut killed lady ^^

[steep wraith]

They don't though

I think you're looking at heroic

[outer solstice]

yeah for hc go ful brrrrr

yeah most runnign bolster + wall

even after reprisal buffs

like 13% running reprisal

[shut summit]

Yea denathrius hits hard af, AM is possible but I'd suggest bolster for prog

[outer solstice]

ze master of brrrr is typing

damn, that out of Sense's fingers yeah run bolster ^^

[shut summit]

P1 and p2 aren't too bad but last phase can get scary

[fringe marten]

What I was thinking but since I hadn't looked at what people ran I was like "well? if they running Anger mans must not be as bad I thought in p3" His combo is stronk

[plush saffron]

depends how many externals you have in group

can get away with more offensive builds

[dusky mica]

the shadow dot does 2x his melee damage

[shut summit]

Also splits 2 healers in each realm in mythic last phase

[fringe marten]

I always run bolster for progression on fights until I know we can get all the way through and that there isn't a time I desperately need bolster..then for kills I'll go back to AM. I held bolster even through the kills on council...holding that gargoyle is spicy if he lives a while.

won't even matter now..people be looking for reasons to call raid or not even show up with outriders out now.

[dusky mica]

not gears of war, the game

[timber nest]

what CD usage are people doing for mythic sludge prog? just got to this week

[fringe marten]

really you're holding cd's for any spicy times you might dip; usually when people are moving/repositioning after roars or moving to different spots after pillars...and then in the final 30% to 0..it's all personals and externals.

until the final enrage portion; he's not that bad really.

[woven galleon]

Hihi what ilvl should i be to be able to comfortably tank +15s? At ilvl 213 with a 213 shield and i just feel squishy AF

Ksm feels like a dream sighs

[strong forum]

209 is when 15s felt like baby hits to me

around 203-205 actually

so with 213, youre already outgearing 15s.

group plays alot into your survival as a tank, not just ilvl, if your DPS players are shit you will feel squishy

if your healer is shit you will feel squishy

gotta find good players and 15s are literal walk overs

[nimble laurel]

Make sure you have good uptime on shield block and ignore pain. I'm 210 and tanking 15s with little issue.

[heady knot]

Allo. Just swapped my old dusty level 50 to prot to level it up, as I want a 2nd tank for 9.1 just in case paladin goes to shit.
I have one question tho..

Sometimes I feel like I have.. no skill to use.

Using Devastator talent, as it seems most are using that on high keys, to get used to it, but I just.. stand there for a few seconds sometimes while waiting for some cds. What on earth do you use as a filler?

[median tulip]

I hate Devastator TBH

[signal plover]

Sucks 4 u bruv

But with low haste you will occasionally have gaps with devastator

[timber nest]

is reprisal a good leggo for sludge

i feel like im either not using it right, or theres no good spots to intervene or charge

[ocean bloom]

you can charge after every stomp just need to coordinate with your cotank to make sure they run closer as well

in mythic atleast in heroic just cahrge as much as you want lol

[shut summit]

after stomp / knockback you can charge pretty safely

[woven galleon]

Ahhh i was wondering if my shield was pulling me down haha i think its just my dps NEVER KICKING SHADOWCORE

Thanks guys! Gonna be trying to get ksm this week! Getting rekt by big pulls and dps stunning things in sanguine

[arctic wasp]

Niya or Korayn for SLG ? i'm about to start prog and i want to go full def so we can learn best, can't decide 😛

[languid flower]

Mythic?

[sacred roost]

They really need to give Prot Piercing Howl.

It's really the only thing we really, really need.

[lusty marsh]

quick fellow warriors

what's the name of the WA that changes dbm bars to a vertical slider thing

[sacred roost]

been tanking m+ on monk ,and warrior, and it's just SO much eaiser as much

as monk

[lusty marsh]

nvrm I found it 2 seconds after asking like a dummy

[muted pendant]

would you still consider phial as "best" dps trinket for prot from dungeons?

[sacred roost]

is there a BiS list for prot anywhere? I've been having some survivability issues in 12-14 keys and I was wondering if there's anything I can do to improve.

I'm using The Wall legendary, but I have the Reprisal one, Reprisal is just ALOT of work to maintain, or it feels like it.

[muted pendant]

BiS for legendary?

I woudln't say there is a BiS list for all gear slots

but for trinkets and legendaries it is clear who's the winner in most cases

[languid flower]

if you're running keys, you really can't beat reprisal

unless threat is NOT a problem for you, in which case you might be able to justify leaper (but it's a stretch for sure)

[elfin nova]

There is no universe where leaper is good

Just walk away from the mobs

If you need (multiple) leaps to kite you're not using cc properly to help you

And you're moving the mobs too much

[fair tulip]

if surviving is not a problem maybe try thunderlord i guess

[elfin nova]

Etc

Reprisal is better damage than tl anyway right? If you want pure aoe damage you take seismic

@sacred roost unless you're significantly undergeared gear is unlikely to be the problem. You could try reading the wowhead guide/watching plka's YouTube guide and then coming back with questions

[gleaming pawn]

any advice on smoothing out incoming dmg on the start of pulls? im using reprisal legendary, i am using shield block to get charges rolling as i charge in and establishing good threat, but i feel like im getting obsolutely trucked. i had a few pulls were i down right out healed the healer so im thinking maybe it was a weak healer but idk.

[chilly brook]

@jagged pier

I was at 3.8k when I died

[chilly brook]

If you're using reprisal

you havbe block right at the start

So that should be good enough for mot pulls

but we need more information is this M+? Raid?

[bold plume]

is it me or does prot have a lot of button

presses

[storm sigil]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PKB2XtVrQmzny9J1/

How did I do?

[turbid gazelle]

Tanked 19 ToP without a problem (i know we're kinda op for that dungeon) but still getting absolutely shredded in DoS 16s... any advice?

[snow basin]

is battlelord the best pvp legendary?

[stable kernel]

@turbid gazelle need people to interrupt shadowcore

[floral pewter]

Don't be afraid to pop a cooldown right at the start of a big pull

The pack is still at full strength, and they'll all hit you right away

After that, some die, cooldowns and swing timers don't all line up, etc

So often you're taking the most damage right away

[solemn magnet]

Race change vulp

[stable kernel]

yikes just be orc and kill them faster

[solemn magnet]

Kill it instantly off the pull, aight

[turbid gazelle]

[wanton condor]

you can interrupt the first and reflect the second yourself at least

[stable kernel]

yes if you aren’t killing them instantly ur doing it wrong

[grizzled forge]

anyone know why it seems sometimes we are getting double blasted out of intermission on SLG?

everyone gets knocked then we get hit a second time.. but not every time

[royal rune]

Nerf is pushing io with his warr

Seems to be doing ok with not such great gear

[stable kernel]

lets not discredit his team but yes his warr is doing fine

[unique shale]

bruh

[fervent kestrel]

Hey all, just coming back after a three month break. Is Kyrian still best covenant for M+? Or is Necro decent now?

[stable kernel]

Kyrian and or NF are best imo

[bold plume]

haste verse is our prio correct?

[fervent kestrel]

... how close is the difference between Kyrian/NF and Necro?

[bold plume]

pretty close in terms of damage

[fervent kestrel]

How about survivability and utility?

[stable kernel]

i mean i think they are close in a lot of things

I would chose one or the other which ever u prefer and it'll go the way you want

[royal rune]

@stable kernel what's wrong with his team?

[stable kernel]

nothing i'm saying his team is also insane so I wouldn't discredit them

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

I just want this boss dead

I think I might actually be able to break 4k though

[flint zealot]

Pretty new to prot, how does SB work exactly? Does it stack? Is it better to stack them or chain it like only refreshing it when it's about to drop?

[lusty ember]

it stacks

[sweet summit]

stacks to a maximum of 18 seconds without bolster

with bolster it stacks to 18+15 seconds

[lusty ember]

As for what's best, whatever gives you the most effective uptime. I.e use it when you can block

[sweet summit]

with reprisal you want to use charge and a charge to get them on CD fast

then just keep it rolling as long as you take blockable damage with intervene/charge/SB

[jagged pier]

the 4k dream probs would have hit it if i didnt die

[sand condor]

Am i a troll for playing menace this week

I’ve been trying it for fun

And it works decently

[unique shale]

socket worth more or higher ilvl conduits ?

[strong forum]

socket

[modest oxide]

Hi all -- I just had a TOP fail for the 3rd time due to a bug on the platforms, where on the 2nd orb placement (left), the portal takes us backwards to a previous platform with a variety of mobs and not forward to the two tornado guys. Has anyone else encountered this? Is there anything that could be causing this that I can avoid?

[coarse robin]

Hey guys! Currently leveling my warrior

I plan to play him main tank in m+ and sometimes fury
Fae > Kyrian in that case ?

[sand condor]

nf is massively better for fury

and the best damage for rpot

prot

so if you wanna slap

nf is quite fun

[coarse robin]

dope! all my char gonna be nf xD

[zinc shale]

most prots go kyrian tho

[coarse robin]

yeah i saw that but i can be competitive as nf tank ?

[zinc shale]

depends on how high you aim to go i guess

[coarse robin]

+15 m+

[strong forum]

NF is omega fine to play as tank

[zinc shale]

15 is pretty medium now, so then its whatever

[strong forum]

its more damage than Kyrian

you can play literally any covenant and do up to 24s

it doesnt matter

[coarse robin]

Thanks a lot guys

[sand condor]

just be a dwarf

so you dont need phiall

[royal rune]

Why doesn't dwarf need phiall

[remote hawk]

Stoneform

[tepid nest]

is it actually a dps increase to use shattering throw on a shield?

[jolly thistle]

Did they change anything on Inerva? We had a few add spawn on the tanks last raid. I never had that before.

[strong forum]

yes

[strong forum]

rng, but tanks could always get it

[strong forum]

shattering throw does like 20-30k vs a shield, thats very much worth the 1.5sec cast

[jolly thistle]

Ah ok so I just got lucky on the other kills. Guess I hold reflect for the add casts

[main lance]

Does anyone know of a guide or a resource for the best way to read and interpret logs? Where to find key bits of info such as shield block uptime and how effective it was or is it something most just learn by doing

[fading prawn]

https://wowanalyzer.com/

[tepid nest]

i figured it would be but had never bothered to look at how much dmg it was doing. good to know, thank you

[tepid nest]

I'm not aware of any guides that would teach you this stuff. I learned by trial and error, asking questions to people who already knew this stuff

[obtuse marsh]

I swaped from kyrian to necro, if i go back to kyrian i need to rebuild all renown and campaign ?

[tepid nest]

Shield block uptime should be easy enough to find, select yourself as the only source and go to the buff tab

How effective it was, as in, how much damage it reduced?

[main lance]

Yeah so how many hits did it actually reduce/negate, how many times did I hit shield block and it was pretty much useless except the added damage

That wow analyser site is great tho so thanks for that

[tepid nest]

im not a warcraft logs genius by any means, but you can build a query to see how many melee attacks you blocked while shield block was active

and knowing your block value, you can find out how much you negated

[ebon hound]

Select yourself, damage taken, hover melee, check blocked hits%

[tepid nest]

although that doesnt account for critical blocks

[strong forum]

You start where you left off

[obtuse marsh]

Seems easy to swap, grind 4 campaign and 4x 40 renown 🤡

[unreal scarab]

[sick sentinel]

Hi, where i can download MDT routes?

[unreal scarab]

you keep your renown if you switch back. also your anima

[solid cairn]

On raider.io

[lone turret]

is there a preferance to what i craft my reprisal on legs or boots?

wowhead says legs but my boots are 158 atm and my legs are already 207

[solid cairn]

you carft the boots if you can have the legs from mythic Sludge

(that"s what the discord say most of the time)

[lone turret]

why is it valued higher on legs??

[ember token]

mythic SLG* as they are already 233, but if you cant get them - legendary on legs would give you more

[storm sigil]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PKB2XtVrQmzny9J1/

How did I do??

What can I do better?

[stable kernel]

Legendary legs could also be safer for later

[solemn magnet]

Legs have a higher stat budget

[gleaming pawn]

@chilly brook was a +15 DoS first and second packs. Both times i died inside my shield wall and both times i was equal to healers healing done to myself or more then. sorry went to bed

[remote dawn]

Reflect, kicks, kite

[lime urchin]

No interrupts there and you will die all day everyday

[mild ruin]

Hi all, just getting back in to tanking and a bit rusty atm, is there a weakaura / addon plugin that helps show you the mobs to pull next according to MDT?

I know there has been in the past

[sweet summit]

ive never heard of that

[lofty widget]

https://wago.io/twT6CzqdD this has been likned a couple times in here, i havent tried it myself tho, so cant say if its any good or not

[remote hawk]

finally pulled the trigger. So let's try this out

[finite prairie]

I need some addon advice. My method for interrupts is to have enemy nameplates up and mouseover interrupt key spells, which im sure is pretty standard.

My problem is that all the nameplates overlapping when I group up a pull makes me interrupt the wrong thing some times. Any good nameplate addons you guys use to make this easier?

[strong forum]

plater, also dont use mouseover as interrupt

either use general target or focus interrupt

[finite prairie]

Any other reasons why? Or just the reason I listed of wasting it on the wrong target

And thanks

[strong forum]

cuz its slow

and you can easily kick the wrong thing

[finite prairie]

Word thanks

[jagged pier]

can also just use stacking name plates

in the settings of the game so they dont overlap

[outer solstice]

I actually use mouseover interrupt, but with a modifier, but that's mostly a remnant from some raid bosses

[strong forum]

i mean thats fine

my kick also has mouseover in it, but not exclusively

[hollow sun]

focus interrupt is the best method imo

focus the mob bbefore pulling

and then attack others

you never lose sight of important mobs this way

[harsh sandal]

/r

[woven galleon]

any weakauras you guys use to announce SPELL REFLECT?

[ionic nimbus]

Even if u announce ist, pugs will interrupt... even my pals are triggering me sometimes:)

[robust surge]

i'm not dying at all, why is my shield breaking every 2 dungeons lmao

i'm about to go mikanikos just for the repair function

[lofty widget]

only one that announces succesful reflects

[lone turret]

hey should i use spectral flask of power or strength? to be a tanky boi ofc

[sweet summit]

power is strength

[lofty widget]

same thing

[merry ocean]

Tru

[sweet summit]

but use power yeah

not stamina

[lone turret]

okay thanks 🙂

ahh i was looking at the pot and the flask mb

[young glen]

Switched to NF too, hoping it supports me pushing into 21s

[plush tendon]

Itll help you pump that damage thats fo sure

[young glen]

Which is precisely what I need

[limpid orbit]

Hello all, making a prot warrior alt. I saw discussion about Kyrian being better in sense of incoming damage and necrotic xyz and NF allows for higher dps. Also which horse races brings the best M+ utility? Is it still belf? I only really plan on tanking keys primarily

[remote hawk]

nice @young glen

[sweet summit]

belf/panda/tauren/hmtauren all have great utility racials

[limpid orbit]

yuck

Prob go belf then

Tauren has stomp and Stam buff too

[plush tendon]

Im blood elf, cause im pretty 🙂

also, all my toons are blood elves except for my bear

[limpid orbit]

I’m an afflock main and I think prot could be fun and overall make me a better player tbh

Learning routes and all that good stuff

[plush tendon]

Prot War is de way

[limpid orbit]

big dam

so then in terms of covenant

ive done NF campaign so many times already too

[plush tendon]

All are good; for strict prot only I would stay away from Venthyr and Necrolord (makes me sad to say) NF for offense, Kyrian for defense (but really, to fill dungeon buff)

but again, you have some freedom of choice

[chilly brook]

I mean

Potion isn't that great imho

[plush tendon]

I agree

[limpid orbit]

yeah I’m only really gonna run keys and look to push too

[chilly brook]

Mobs cant kill you if they're dead

📈

[limpid orbit]

stonks

[chilly brook]

Definitely not biased towards NF at all

[plush tendon]

You can always switch, and switching aint bad

[limpid orbit]

reprisal m+ leggo still?

[sweet summit]

yar

[plush tendon]

im 40 renown now on 3 covs for my war

[limpid orbit]

kk

[chilly brook]

[limpid orbit]

where does that drop from

[sweet summit]

torghast

[limpid orbit]

ugh

[sweet summit]

upper reaches

[limpid orbit]

Is that open this week

Fuck

[sweet summit]

nah

[limpid orbit]

I hate torghast leggo drops man

[chilly brook]

Last week i think

[young glen]

You can also get it from Twisted Corridors

[plush tendon]

just spam first layer in Twisting Corridors

[sweet summit]

but u can get it from tc

[chilly brook]

^

[limpid orbit]

Ohhh

I see

Prot warrior discord seems cool

I’ve seen some dickheads in other cords lmfao

[chilly brook]

We try

[sweet summit]

just dont touch #arms or #fury

[limpid orbit]

lock one isn’t bad either

[deep steppe]

[sweet summit]

and its fine

[signal plover]

Hey fukka u guy

[plush tendon]

Yea, they are... aggressive

[limpid orbit]

lmao

[young glen]

They just sad

[sweet summit]

and stay away from #off-topic

[limpid orbit]

because their dps sucks

[signal plover]

Too many ppl calling us nice these days

[plush tendon]

I mean, this disc is full of Vulpera NF Prot Wars looking to do big dam

[limpid orbit]

furries?

[sweet summit]

[limpid orbit]

Rude

[chilly brook]

U a bish, bish

[signal plover]

U fuk on me?

No no I fuk on u

[plush tendon]

vulpera secret OP tank race cause of nose for trouble

[chilly brook]

I fuk on u

[signal plover]

Fukka u ya fukkin

[chilly brook]

[limpid orbit]

isn’t it like 5 % reduced dam

I’ll never play violets

Vulp

[signal plover]

No work today, no need for pwarr disc distraction

[limpid orbit]

I’ll prob just go orc tbh

Or Tauren

[chilly brook]

Nose for trouble adds up to a significant amount of damage mitigated over the course of a dungeon

But also not needed

[plush tendon]

yea, on the first hit. Really good in M+. Granted, I play Blood Elf. Orc and Tauren are OG

[young glen]

It's Orc or nothing

[limpid orbit]

What about mag hat

[sweet summit]

When you first take damage from an enemy, reduce that damage by 5% of your maximum health.
it looks good on healing meters at least

[chilly brook]

Maghar racial is booty

[plush tendon]

Orc>Reskined Orc

[limpid orbit]

orc helps with dps I suppose

[plush tendon]

though their racial Tmog on point

[limpid orbit]

which race does best dam?

[young glen]

On Horde? Orc

[limpid orbit]

word

[chilly brook]

Mechagnome

Kekw

[sweet summit]

the difference between races are very minimal, just go for looks tbh

[limpid orbit]

I’ll just go orc

[sweet summit]

mechagnone has best dam i think

[young glen]

And since there is nothing else to do in this game challenging wise, you do deeps

[limpid orbit]

big dorc guy

so how do I kite

Charge intervene charge

Heroic leap

Stun charge intervene

charge again

[sweet summit]

create distance between you and the mobs

[deep steppe]

Highmountain Racial

[sweet summit]

thats how you kite

[plush tendon]

We dont kite

kiting means you arnt doing damage

[sweet summit]

try to keep the mobs as stationary as possible, run around the mobs in circles

[young glen]

Revenge Execute Charge next pac

k

[solemn magnet]

Vulpera is true value

[young glen]

Or swap your dps 😛

[sweet summit]

you dont really need to kite a lot until you get to higher keys, but there are some mobs like the dogs in HoA where you need to kite in earlier key levels

[plush tendon]

Also, when running reprisal, it is important to learn how to get some mid combat charges in for the proc. With practice, youll learn some spacing to help do this without committing heroic leap or other CC/Movement CDs

[sudden relic]

yo dogs i've been thinkin of learnin prot for off spec, usually fury so i'm already stacked on haste but lackin the verse, am i do what for? also reprisal a good starter legendary?

[sweet summit]

reprisal is a great lego yeah

[plush tendon]

Dont worry bout stats

[sweet summit]

dont worry about vers, its not as important as you think it is

ilvl>haste>vers

[sudden relic]

awesome 🙂

thanks a bunch

[plush tendon]

I have been thinking of race changing my war to Orc, first i got to see how my Tmog would look on him though

[sudden relic]

plate looks pretty dope on an orc. just not a fan of their run animation

[tulip coral]

what's the reprisal farming method with chambers down? spam TC layer 3 until chambers pops?

[chilly brook]

I'm starting to wish 8.3 didnt exist

[chilly brook]

Basically

[tulip coral]

rip

[jagged pier]

hey guys im just wondering what vers % we should running in + 10

[solemn magnet]

I think full rival gear is the play

[jagged pier]

🤔

[chilly brook]

72.3419%

[solemn magnet]

Make sure you got both pvp trinkets for that extra bonus

[jagged pier]

😮

[lost eagle]

For runing wall in raid, bolster vs AM thoughts ?

[glacial skiff]

What. Ilvl>stats for all tanks

Unless it’s probably like 5 or so item levels then something with mega vers MIGHT be better

[sweet summit]

bolster if you need the extra block uptime, AM if you dont

[hushed cobalt]

in SoA, can you block the ranged hits from the forsworn usurpers (the line of non-elites before 3rd boss)?

[jagged pier]

hurl?

yes

but its random target

[hushed cobalt]

👍 was curious as they aren't in the spreadsheet for block/reflect

[vague abyss]

Hey fellas, just getting back into WoW, had to take about a month or so off. Thinking of going prot, what's the downlow on their M+ performance right now?

[amber herald]

v.good

[solemn magnet]

Always been solid

[lofty widget]

good

and fun

[vague abyss]

Notably better than their 9.0 performance I assume lol, I saw they got some decent buffs

[chilly brook]

Notably?

[solemn magnet]

All the tanks are better than their 9.0 selves, but prot still doing well

[chilly brook]

I guess?

Like never had issues in 9.0 to begin with

[lofty widget]

10 % extra dmg and dr and reprisal that lets us play BSC and AM

[floral pewter]

Reprisal was a more impactful buff than the tuning stuff imo

just makes the spec feel better in M+

[vague abyss]

Yeah for sure, Reprisal sounds like a massive buff and a really interesting playstyle

[solemn magnet]

Reprisal is an annoying bandaid of a fix, imo, but people enjoy it 🤷

[floral pewter]

I expected charging/intervening for SB uptime to quickly get old, but it hasn't so far

I've been pleasantly surprised by it

[sterile moss]

I don't enjoy it but I don't hate it. Just appreciate the higher sb uptime

[amber herald]

yep

[vague abyss]

How's their aggro holding capabilities? In 9.0 I pulled aggro from a fair few prot warriors lol, I assume the damage buffs helped that quite a bit as well

[chilly brook]

Reprisal isn't as big of a buff as people think

[sterile moss]

It was awkward playing without stormbolt when I was trying to maximize benefits with double time

but back to stormbolt now

dt is a trap imo

[chilly brook]

Played with bad tanks who didnt revenge I suppose

[amber herald]

reprisal helps with the aggro problems we were having, which were really only instantly on the pull

[solemn magnet]

Aggro isn't an issue on pull, and I never really had problems with aggro in 9.0 either

[chilly brook]

^

[sterile moss]

especially if you're a kyrian or nf, aggro should be ez

[sudden relic]

i tanked as prot in warlords and its really fun

[jagged pier]

aggro has never been an issue all expansion tbh

[chilly brook]

When you're doing 20k on pull kinda hard to lose aggro

[vague abyss]

Sure, but you guys are probably masterclass prot warriors as opposed to your everyday fella xD

[solemn magnet]

Hardly

[jagged pier]

im literally an average prot player

[solemn magnet]

Most the time I'm not even sure I know what I'm talking about.

[chilly brook]

Ok Jakey

[sterile moss]

you're literally not average. average means 50 parses

[chilly brook]

Mr top 10 on every fight

[amber herald]

just gotta ravager the pack before you pull

[sterile moss]

lol

[chilly brook]

[amber herald]

the secret to prot 9.0 threat

[jagged pier]

☝️

i literally say stuff and have no clue

[vague abyss]

Fake it til you make it, as they say

[jagged pier]

like the hurl stuff its a range projectile probs can block it

🤷

[solemn magnet]

I'm riding my healer to victory everyday

[jagged pier]

and im not griff we've extended since before 9.0.5

[chilly brook]

Same

[vague abyss]

Last noob question; I started the expac on Arms, so I'm Venthyr. I'm assuming that's pretty bad for Prot

[chilly brook]

Its fine

Good single target damage

You just lose out on extra aoe

[solemn magnet]

How do you see a parse's ranking other than percentile?

Venth utility is lacking compared to NF and kyrian, but you should be fine doing most content.

[vague abyss]

On your character page the ranking is on the rightmost side, the orange 863 you can see over there

[solemn magnet]

Thanks

[sudden relic]

is low key and lfr a good place to practice and learning for off spec prot?

[chilly brook]

LFR is bad period

Keys are fine

[sterile moss]

the higher the key the more you notice mistakes and learn to do the dungeon

you need mistakes to be at least moderately punishing to learn

[sudden relic]

im talkin like i haven't even switched to prot and i have no idea what to put on my hotbars 🤣

figured LFR would be ez breezy beautiful cover girl

[sterile moss]

it wont teach you much tbh, other than building muscle memory for your rotation lol

[floral pewter]

LFR is such a shitshow that you won't learn much

nobody knows or does or expects you to do mechanics

[sterile moss]

you could do that on dummies

[sudden relic]

true

[floral pewter]

even running heroics or something would work better, you're not in danger but you can actually tell what's going on

[sudden relic]

i was just doing normal pug on a hunter alt and a DH tank didn't know huntsman 3rd dog

just stood there getting up to 15 stacks, we tell em to move it little at a time to clear stacks, then proceeds next attempt to constantly move it even with no stacks

i'm aware of most mechanics just doing it for awhile as dps. i think m+ would be more challenging anyway. tankin raid seems boring af

[sterile moss]

it is

[vague abyss]

You guys feel like the Wowhead stat prio is accurate? Str>Haste>Vers>Crit>Mastery? I know that stat prios generally fluctuate quite a lot depending on content/gear. Any breakpoints I should be hitting or anything like that?

[plush tendon]

Everything checks out; dont worry about breakpoints, you wont have enough stats right now to make it matter

[vague abyss]

In reference to M+ btw, I don't plan on tanking raid

[deep steppe]

ilvl>>>>>Haste>>Vers/Crit>>Mastery

[vague abyss]

Gotcha, thanks

[sudden relic]

what about for things like neck and rings

[vague abyss]

Would be the same with less prio on ilvl, I assume

[sudden relic]

like would a 3 ilevel different be that important if the stats are betta

ah

[vague abyss]

Since ring/neck don't have mainstat you're generally just shooting for BiS stats, but if the ilvl gap is big enough it may counterbalance. Can be tricky though

[plush tendon]

This is probably a case by case basis; but general rule of thumb is like 10 i levels I think

[sudden relic]

yeah theres like this ring i got thats ilevel 207 with heavy haste/mastery with a socket buuuuut

[plush tendon]

should look for BiS stats though

or at least haste

[sudden relic]

theres a 213 ring with verse on it and i'm conflicted

[vague abyss]

Also depends on what stats you're gaining and losing, for some stat shifts it may be a 5 ilvl difference to make it worth, for some it may be 15, etc.

[plush tendon]

gotta add that socket value though

assuming you cant just put one on a item

[vague abyss]

Sockets generally balance out to like +10 theoretical ilvl, yeah?

[sudden relic]

mmm sockets more valuable on jewelry or was it stat gear?

probably not too much of a deal i guess to get too into min/max starting out. just like makin it interesting

[plush tendon]

I mean, sockets are same value individually, but since theres no prim stat on Jewelry, they tend to increase the value of the piece more

[vague abyss]

Sockets generally hold more relative value between jewelry pieces than mainstat pieces, yeah

[sudden relic]

gotcha 🙂

if i dont plan on raiding should i just pick up thunderlord instead of reprisal?

[languid flower]

nope

if you don't plan on raiding, you can skip the wall

you need reprisal

[sudden relic]

oh wow yeah

[languid flower]

but I'm just some guy on the internet

[sudden relic]

i didn't read it closely until now

[languid flower]

who really REALLY likes what reprisal did for his M+ runs

[sudden relic]

i do intervene a lot

[languid flower]

I don't intervene enough

but it's not about that

it's about the first 3 seconds of the pull

I used to have to decide to spend my rage on defense to stay alive, or offense for threat

[sudden relic]

i have S keybound to whirlwind as fury, is backstepping a must here?

[languid flower]

far too often, I couldnt' have both

do you move your character with right-click and drag?

[vague abyss]

Realistically you never have to backpedal in this game

[languid flower]

it's possible to not backpedal as a tank, but I backpedal a LOT

[sudden relic]

yeah i use mouse to moving directions

like realistically id be facing like 45 degree angles if i'm going backwards, holding A/D

[languid flower]

you just have to make sure you're very careful on your facing directions. you can strafe and block, but the margin for error is small

[sudden relic]

yer

what trinkets are a must outside raid?

[floral pewter]

Blood-Spattered Scale

[sudden relic]

i only have heraldry/crystal/phial

kk

[floral pewter]

Heraldry is a great tank trinket, and any dps trinket is basically fine

[sweet summit]

slh and phial are good 👍

crystal is great for dps

[chilly brook]

I cant decide on what trinkets to run for sludge

If skulker crits it's actually disgusting

[plush tendon]

but if it doesnt....

I guess you need to gem for more crit then

XD

[vague abyss]

Oh lawd I forgot about tank trinkets

I've been running DPS warrior since SL dropped so I have none. Wanting to swap but the thought of farming for trinkets again...

[sudden relic]

right

cappin on valor feels awful

[plush tendon]

DPS trinkets more then fine, even ideal in some cases

the only one you really want to try and get is the Blood Soaked Scale

[sudden relic]

how does prot compare to others with their DPS?

[plush tendon]

@chilly brook can you link your damage again?

[vague abyss]

Compared to other tanks I think it's relatively close to Guardian and Brew

But still yet nothing touches Prot Paladin xD

[chilly brook]

This?

[plush tendon]

Hellz yea

[vague abyss]

🤔

Not sure if god-tier prot or trash-tier DPS

Or both 👀

[chilly brook]

Damage woulda been higher

[plush tendon]

That overall seems pretty good for the DPS