protection

[ionic fern]

Have you tried not playing torghast?

That's also fun.

[chilly brook]

Facts

[plush tendon]

I have; its great

[patent osprey]

@ionic fern I can't. I HAVE TO TEST LEGENDARIES

[ionic fern]

Be like me.

Just have evertything at 190.

😂

[patent osprey]

SKYHOLD NEEDS ME TO

[ionic fern]

No, i got Reprisal on 210 now.

[strong forum]

Fuck I think I missed last weeks torghast actually

[patent osprey]

seismic is almost 235

1 more week

[ionic fern]

👀

[queen gazelle]

i was planning on running around +18-+20s roughly

[outer solstice]

think about 2 legendaries, seismic + reprisal *gasp

[queen gazelle]

hows venthyr for that bracket

[mighty valley]

prot torghast is so chill now, I can just watch something on other screen and mash through it

[ionic fern]

It's fine.

[queen gazelle]

dope

[patent osprey]

@mighty valley I just run to the end boss on each level

[mighty valley]

lmao yeah I should do that

[light thicket]

Leaper build is hilarious

[mighty valley]

though i dunno what i'm building now though... i guess it's leaper time

[light thicket]

EQ jumps

[chilly brook]

I got mine at 225

I hated it at first

[patent osprey]

I got reprisal at 235 :D

[chilly brook]

Still kinda do but also feel like it's doing its job

[patent osprey]

yeah that's why I try to find ways to run seismic

[chilly brook]

Wtb better lego design

[patent osprey]

:)

[chilly brook]

At least in doing 5k

[patent osprey]

I was telling nerf in my stream yesterday, seismic is the play in mists. Doing God's work convincing him

anything to get away from reprisal

[mighty valley]

maybe i should get seismic for farm keys......

[plush tendon]

yea

guess im jumping back into Torggie... thanks @patent osprey -_-

[patent osprey]

:D if I get more people to do torg then I am truly going to hell

[chilly brook]

I actually like torghast

👀

[mighty valley]

a lot of the time i gotta do torghast for guild people who haaaaaaaaaaate doing it solo anyway

[plush tendon]

The first time its ok

[chilly brook]

Although I also dont do it religiously sooooo

[outer solstice]

make sure to take leaper, so you're really jumping in thorghast

[sick sentinel]

What do the admins/class writers look like in this discord

[chilly brook]

Wdym lol

[outer solstice]

I hate doing torghast in a group xD

[mighty valley]

like, are they hot?

[sick sentinel]

Are they the Val’kir

[ebon hound]

A good percentage of them are bald

[chilly brook]

No

[sick sentinel]

Or storm forged

Ugh autocorrect I don’t mean look like

[patent osprey]

I do torg right on reset so I don't dread it

Mwahi is theorycrafter

think nom and erga are stormforged

[sick sentinel]

What ranks do the admins/class writers of this discord have

[patent osprey]

have?

they have the power :)

and authoritay

[chilly brook]

Why?

[sick sentinel]

I just want to know

That’s all

I know the paladin discord ranks for their admins and what not

same with the monk discord

[patent osprey]

Erga is the one with the paddle

[sweet summit]

contributor/theorycrafter

[chilly brook]

Valkyr literally has (mod) in the rank

[sweet summit]

valkyr are mods yeah

[sick sentinel]

Boomer

[patent osprey]

don't see many valkyr ever though

must be behind the scenes

[chilly brook]

They lurk

[sweet summit]

mwahi is mod

u see him a lot

:v)

[patent osprey]

mwahi Is scary. he told me if I keep stepping out of line like pushing as venthyr, I'd get banned

that's why I'm kyrian now

[sweet summit]

he's right tho 👀

[junior spade]

I'm getting an itch to come back to prot warrior over paladin are still really fun?

[sweet summit]

fun is subjective

but i enjoy it

[chilly brook]

Cant answer that for you

[patent osprey]

Yes, Change now

[plush tendon]

Prot War> Prot Paladin

EZ

[chilly brook]

Bro we all know necro is the best

/s

[plush tendon]

One day it will be.... then I can return to being a Necroboi

[junior spade]

Sweet my original main lol he's venth right now was thinking about making another warrior to go night fae

[plush tendon]

until then

[chilly brook]

But if you really think about it do you actually want to? Now that you've been exposed to the shock?

[plush tendon]

I have hopes and dreams that one day, the banner will become somthing great

that can rival the power of AA

[vocal bison]

I pulled +4K for the first time last night in a non-cheese mechanics 17, prot warrior is fun again, although if I was a prot pally might have hit 5k

less kite now = more dps

[plush tendon]

I think Prot Warriors are significantly sturdier then Prot Paladins, though Paladin damage is nutty

[junior spade]

Sweet! I'll make reprisal tonight and go rage

[vocal bison]

Yeaaaa buddy

[plush tendon]

like we talking about revenge and seismic reverb, mofos over there throwing the shields and SoTR like its going out of style

[junior spade]

Lol my favorite role in game is tank so I love all tanks

[last gazelle]

Do you go Best served cold over Booming with reprisal

[chilly brook]

Yes

For m+

No for raid

[last gazelle]

Gotcha

[digital hawk]

Is there a specific timing for blocking evasive lunge on council

Just press when he casts I guess right?

[chilly brook]

Pretty much

Talkin Nicklaus ye?

[digital hawk]

For both

[chilly brook]

Nicklaus you press when cast

[digital hawk]

One of the spreadsheets shows evasive lunge as blockable

[chilly brook]

For stavros it's a really specific timing for spinning around

Like super specific

Otherwise you dash him into your raid

Like you basically have to spin to face him as he starts dashing

Not on the windup

[digital hawk]

Hmm okay sounds spicy

[jagged pier]

just have your camera loking behind u then press boht mouse buttons to turn

[chilly brook]

Easiest way ye but you can still fuck it up and get hit in the back lol

It's a finicky timing

[signal plover]

Just fuckin take the back hit

Not worth the risk

[mellow gorge]

tried reprisal

did not enjoy reprisal

back to the wall gang i go

[digital hawk]

its wonky for raid

[odd verge]

question about gear again. should i continue using Worm Smasher or upgrade the Supercollider and use that

[digital hawk]

really good for m+ imo

[digital hawk]

yeah im gonna probably do that

use last stand at the high stacks and manage block and wall for niklaus

[signal plover]

I don't think I've seen logs or vods of anyone consistently blocking lunge

But I would be very impressed

[chilly brook]

Inb4 jakey links his consistent log

[jagged pier]

thats why in the end i gave up and just took the stacks like the potision is more improtant and we were only swapping at 3

so not much damage

[chilly brook]

Nvm

[jagged pier]

XD

[chilly brook]

[jagged pier]

it was the most consistent way i could do it

[signal plover]

I was half expecting it tbh

[jagged pier]

but it wasnt worth the eeffort

[signal plover]

But if sense ain't doing it then there's no sense in doing it ;)

[chilly brook]

I got to skip being a tank for that nightmare

[manic haven]

is there anything special i have to do when tanking stavros?

[chilly brook]

Now I'm back to tanking on sludge

[signal plover]

Dont hit others with lunge

[chilly brook]

[manic haven]

i feel like paper @204 on heroic

[jagged pier]

but like its the easiest way i found anyway and even if i did turn around etc like 50% of the time its like nah u were facing it but u didnt block even tho u had block up

🤷

[signal plover]

It's so fast it would be latency dependant

[jagged pier]

probsbalyt

[elfin nova]

snaked my warrior into sludge

and got chest and hands

[chilly brook]

Make sure your cotank isn't making your life harder by actually not taunting when he should be taunting

[mighty valley]

i've moaned at my raid to stop getting hit with lunge enough that i'd never live it down if i fucked up spinning and got them hit

[chilly brook]

It shouldn't be too bad

[signal plover]

I just want a couple reclears for a shot at hungering shoulders.

Plz mog

I think I need chest too

Fak

[manic haven]

@chilly brook how many stacks should you be swapping on?

[signal plover]

2

Unlrss you're phasing in the next like 5 secs

[chilly brook]

^

[blazing condor]

he only lunges the way you're facing when he casts right

as in if i move after he teleports behind me is it "fixed"

it is right?

[chilly brook]

No

It doesnt lock direction until he actually starts moving

[blazing condor]

i move a lot using my mouse so you can probably turn around as he teleports really easily that way

just change angle and right click and its insta

[chilly brook]

The thing is

It's not that easy lol

[subtle tulip]

I died once and our druid cotank tanked Stavros up and till 7 stacks or something.

[blazing condor]

i havent really tried it

i will next raid

we're wiping anyway might as well experiment

[chilly brook]

It's not really worth the effort tbh

[shut summit]

yea not worth, I'd turn and have him randomly charge diff directions and shit, too much of a headache

[chilly brook]

^

[jagged pier]

☝️

[shut summit]

if he was the last one to die would be bigger deal but just use CDs for higher stacks and it's nbd

[jagged pier]

its great from like blocking all of them then doing the same thing next pull and blocking none

[chilly brook]

Sense makes my damage on sludge look like a kid trying to hit a baseball

[jagged pier]

same

[shut summit]

Lol

[jagged pier]

[subtle tulip]

the only issue with stavros is when you you have to DPS the one dancers down. We now just tell the raid to move directly out of stavros after the dance.

[chilly brook]

Although did have a pull at 3200 going into execute range

[jagged pier]

come in really happy im here than sense, hes come in next week nah sit down

[shut summit]

[chilly brook]

Just need people to stop dying so I can pump

And get the kill

Wtb massacre for prot

[jagged pier]

fuck that i want sudden death

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[jagged pier]

im rank 5 on sludge now

[chilly brook]

Rank 5 is still pretty freakin good

[jagged pier]

but i was 2nd

[chilly brook]

If we killed last night on that 18% I'd probably only be like 20

[signal plover]

Dude somewhere I have a screen of me beating sense on like a week 1 heroic hungering or some stupid shit

Obviously got dumpstered later

[fast wyvern]

Does anyone know drop rate of TOP shield

Done so many and not dropped

[jagged pier]

i had him beat on sludge mythic, then he actually came back with reprisal and made me look like a fool

twice now

[mighty valley]

afaik all items have same drop rate, so 2/5 chance you get an item, then divide that across all the items on the prot war loot table

[signal plover]

https://c.tenor.com/tQ5V2vpG2YwAAAAM/trash-wrecked.gif

[mighty valley]

bump that up by bringing a bunch of people loot speccing a shield spec

[jagged pier]

pretty much

[fast wyvern]

Yeah lol I’ve been trying to do that

Holy pala ele shammy

Maybe some geared rets that don’t mind changing loot spec or wars

[mighty valley]

hunting a specific item is always gonna be kinda maddening though

[fast wyvern]

True my shield is still 184

[elfin nova]

i'm rank 38

angery

[fast wyvern]

Which happens to be bis before 9.0.5 😑😑😑

[mighty valley]

you could get a quick n dirty shield upgrade through PVP

[fast wyvern]

Hmm very true

What rating is 2v2

I’ve never played arms man

But then again just spear of bastion and bladestorm

Sorry what raiting is 200ilvl haha

[mighty valley]

I don't remember, you can just do unranked bullshit and still get up to 197 pretty quick

[opal escarp]

does intervene still soak the remaining portion of ravenous feast on slg if you don't get it off beforehand?

[fast wyvern]

If you intervene on the other tank in the sludge fight do you essentially take double damage?

[mighty valley]

yeah, but you can get your cotank to macro in clearing the intervene buff

[elfin nova]

taking double hits is about the same as not having block up

[mighty valley]

it's really just for hardcore maximizing reprisal... wouldn't think about it pre-mythic

[crisp dragon]

Im wondering, how much uptime can you realistically get on physical damage blocked on SLG

[subtle tulip]

Any tank who doesnt mind me asking him/her about logs and what to look at :)?

[mighty valley]

jakey made an in-depth video about it, lemme look

[crisp dragon]

Cause Im hitting 31/32 Good casts of shieldblock

And Im not getting higher than 65

When wowprogress thinks I should behitting 85

[mighty valley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNrx_TNv1No&t=553s

[subtle tulip]

Well that is just absolutetly wonderful. Thank you 🙂

[mighty valley]

oh god slg not sludge

why make these things so close blizz lol

[signal plover]

They prolly think we can like read ya kno

[mighty valley]

they should know better than to overestimate us like that

[signal plover]

Prolly

[fast wyvern]

I always thought slg was sludge lol

[opal escarp]

Does anyone know the answer to my question above?

[mighty valley]

It's probably easiest if you share a log and we can point some things out, then you can compare for future logs

[subtle tulip]

Yea I was thinking that but then I thought I might get publicly memed on 😄

[mighty valley]

getting publicly memed on is how we improve

[subtle tulip]

I already got my guild and the mythic pugs that do it, I guess what is a extra discord server right 😄 ❤️

[mighty valley]

i've never seen anyone be a huge asshole to someone sharing logs in here lol

[strong forum]

@jagged pier anager Management?

[soft lotus]

Hey, I'm gearing up my prot warrior. Looking at conduits. About Ashen Juggernaut (the execute conduit), I suppose you have to play a bit intelligently to maximize uptime in M+, target swapping etc.
But what if I'm lazy and don't do that, is it still really good? I'm not keen on putting in that much effort, so I'm wondering how much I lose out on.

[mighty valley]

What cov are you? I think basically all the covenant specific conduits other than venthyr are better

[soft lotus]

necrolord

[strong forum]

In m+ just don't use ashen jugg

Not worth

[soft lotus]

bloodmallet ranks ashen juggernaut high? Am I reading it wrong?

[strong forum]

For raw St its good

But not in m+

[dusty wasp]

Am I able to tank keys under +10 without a tank legendary? I have the signet of kings but am waiting to craft a decent reprisal

[strong forum]

Yes

[soft lotus]

show of force then, for M+?

[strong forum]

If you have to run 2 potency, yes

[jagged pier]

yus

[soft lotus]

guess i'll also take a look at what other necrolord warriors do in M+ for inspiration. Thanks

[jagged pier]

ashen jugement and PV on pelagos

BV

[strong forum]

Anager

[jagged pier]

i missed 1 melee on my kill the rest i blocked

[strong forum]

Slg

[jagged pier]

oh

i have had like 70%

but 60 is more common

[strong forum]

85%ish you game it well imo

Just like m+

But 70% should be more than enough

Like absolutely enough

[jagged pier]

on my longest attempt tonight

67%

but i could do better

like far better

can get more charges in

[strong forum]

Ye 67% is basically only intervenes

And 0 charges

[jagged pier]

its some charges and charge on stone fists

[strong forum]

Or well, only your occasional charge

[jagged pier]

i can defiantly fit more charges in on the adds and stuff but like the adds jump around melee u in the back etc

🤷

[signal plover]

Yes I believe intervene will prevent the dmg after you cast it even if you didn't land it before hand

[jagged pier]

give me 100 more pulls ill me 75% consistant

[strong forum]

Yes

It's multiple hits

Not 1 dot

Just intervene as soon as you can, even mid ability it'll transfer

[signal plover]

I was between 60-70 over the course of prog pulls last night

We're working on P2 atm so lots of missed uptime there as the sheep are being herded

Grashaal phase w/e

[opal escarp]

ty

[jagged pier]

same

and i get around the same

oo i just got 90% in a pull up to half way through intermission 1

[crisp dragon]

log pliz

[jagged pier]

nah i was talking about sludge there

not slg mis read

[crisp dragon]

Ahhhh

[ionic fern]

Aight, my evening is complete

[signal plover]

I sit on a charge of charge most of intermission

[signal plover]

Much ember glow

[plush tendon]

@ionic fern im confused... is that your Tmog or are you just killing blackhand?

[ionic fern]

Transmog beacon dude

gave it to me

[red tree]

207 Viscera trinket from ToP vs 194 SLG trinket?

I think the 207 ya?

[plush tendon]

ah makes sense; ive been using the blackhands battlegear with the agility sword he drops + Red and Black Scale shield

so was interested to know if you could get one to look like blackhand himself 😄

[sand condor]

Man

Prot feels good

[stable kernel]

we tanky and do good dmg

feels nice

[sand condor]

Now just gotta survive scuffed slg mythic pulls

[open elm]

Does someone know if Intervene redirects AoE abilities?

[mighty valley]

it's literally just basic attacks afaik

plus you can get the DR conduit

[lofty widget]

it redirects single target physical hits

[cinder skiff]

When do we use shield wall in m+ , big pulls or pretty much cd

I find I sit on it alot

[lofty widget]

to fill SB gaps or in high dmg spikes pretty much

[nimble laurel]

what is the passive ability or talent that makes Revenge free when you dodge or parry?

[cinder skiff]

I use IP over SB for caster heavy packs too, should I cast both?

I ran a HoA and I felt squishy so just wondering

[ionic fern]

It's a buff called "Revenge!".

[cinder skiff]

I'll 181

[ionic fern]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=5302/revenge

[nimble laurel]

Thanks. I expected to see it in my spell book somewhere.

[lofty widget]

as long as youre taking blockable dmg you prio SB over IP.

those packs really come down to if your group can kick or not, a full IP wont save you if your group is not interupting

[cinder skiff]

Ok I ran spires yesterday and ft good, today in HoA was squishy

[plucky grotto]

have to ask, the buffs to warrior tanks ( to vangaurd ) how big impact is it really for us?

[mighty valley]

the impact is about 10% DR

[nimble laurel]

how often do you actually use Execute in m+?

[mighty valley]

on bosses and big single target trash

[plucky grotto]

so we're still useless in m+

[mighty valley]

?????

[deep steppe]

[uncut fog]

How much uptime on SB does ppl have while using Reprisal and AM talent?

[lofty widget]

80-85 % effective uptime

[mighty valley]

what matters is that your uptime now lasts through most of the threatening parts of pulls, when everything's up

without having to kite or just eat unblocked hits as soon

[uncut fog]

Just did a dungeon, first time with the legendary, I got 55% on details :S

[mighty valley]

takes a bit to get used to maximizing it

[lofty widget]

cant really say much from details

[uncut fog]

Yeah true I didn't feel squishy at all

Feelt like it was up all the time

[mighty cairn]

details tracks whole dungeon and not just activity time

unless you have it set up otherwise

[lofty widget]

my blocktime on details is usually 65 ish, but my effective uptime is closer to 85

[distant crystal]

details tracks combat time wym

that's why details #s are always higher than wcl #s for the same key

[mighty valley]

logging and checking what percentage of hits were blocked is a better indicator

[lofty widget]

thats theo nly right indicator tbh

[mighty cairn]

o wait i thought there was a separate setting for that in m+

sometimes my details numbers don't match up with my party members

[distant crystal]

well i get that too but idk what that's all about tbh

but you can look at the overall segment's time #

and compare to the keystone tracker

it'll always be lower, it just throws out the time out of combat

not 100% sure if it's only using your personal combat status or like if anybody is in combat

[blazing condor]

[cinder fern]

Oh look, the April first version of Deja.

[silver trout]

that spirit tho

[woven pecan]

someone convince me to not swap from necrolord to night fae pls

[remote tusk]

Owlboi is best boi.

Go Kyrian

[sweet summit]

stop being a cringe sim and do some damage ffs

[shut summit]

go nf

[woven pecan]

bet

[chilly brook]

That's just how it is if you have classic as well as play retail

[chilly brook]

Go night fae do yourself a favor

[peak iron]

Anyone here tried venither tanking.
Considering taking my warrior out kyrian for more damage.

[unborn violet]

Any high level tanks fancy carrying me through tp +10 👀

[unique shale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/397975215113633792/751659680983679046/etwnom.gif

[unique shale]

i am venthyr and i have answers

[peak iron]

Does the damage seem to be better for them or does it fill weird to run prot that way?

[peak iron]

How do you fill the class run’s together with that combo’s

[chilly brook]

It's fine, it does good single target damage but you give up any extra aoe you'd gain

[unique shale]

you go brrr with condemn at single target without any defensive

its like playing arm at single target

[cedar stump]

Whats the right way to use sanguine vintage? When your not taking damage to maximize the heal?

[peak iron]

So I get that there is no increase to damage except single target even with the haste buff from the tree not the ability.

[unique shale]

haste doesn’t increase your condenm damage it is either versa or cirt

haste reduce your rotation down time and SB

[elfin nova]

@cedar stump as close to on cooldown as possible, when you're about to take a big hit

You pretty much ignore the heal

For the heal to be good you need to be low but not taking damage, in which case you weren't in danger

[cedar stump]

That makes sense, so basically like a worse lingering psychic shell

[elfin nova]

Yes

But something can be a lot worse than LPS and still be decent :p

That trinket was insane

[cedar stump]

makes sense, thanks!

[full peak]

Does block (and crit block) work from behind or the sides?

[sweet summit]

you need to be what the game calles infront of the target

or rather the target has to be infront of you

same same

[modern brook]

"Front facing" is pretty generous on most mobs tbh

But yeah if u give ass you vet what you came for tbh

[full peak]

Protect ass. Got it.

[unique shale]

[nimble laurel]

anyone found a way to get Plater to react differently when treants have aggro vs other party members?

[weak dune]

Try looking for the plater mod "attacking specific unit"

[high torrent]

Does anyone have a video guide suggestion for Prot warriors esp around M+?

[wild torrent]

Plkatv

[patent osprey]

Oh...

[wild torrent]

That guy

[patent osprey]

guide video you say...

I'm too scared to post for self promo LOL but if you look up plkatv protection warrior guide on YT ull find it :)

[wild torrent]

https://youtu.be/yR2Vy52kpEQ

Sick guide love the content btw

[high torrent]

Wondeful thanks a ton for sharing

[restive ice]

really makes me want to try out prot warrior

[cinder nova]

Any of you guys used IRT for M HD?

[brave jetty]

Is BSC a DPS upgrade over BV even in single target?

[cinder nova]

No

[unique shale]

nice guide

👏

[patent osprey]

ty!

[slim fog]

@patent osprey did you switch covenants recently to kyrian? in the video you say you are necro but in Raider.io it shows you as Kyrian

[patent osprey]

Yeah im kyrian now

I get around

😉

[cinder nova]

So, how do I fix my healers if I'm dying on M DH with like 96% block uptime.

[toxic prairie]

Anyone have a guardian and feel... sturdier on it? I love my warrior , but I still feel like a yo yo health wise (reprisal, 70-80 percent uptime on SB)

[cinder nova]

That's because bear is all meatpoints.

I want to smash my head into an industrial shredder. I'm so tired of watching people wipe on M HD.

[toxic prairie]

We are on M HD also. We got an add on last week and starting getting him down to the teens

[cinder nova]

I've already killed him, but my raid feels like monkeys and typrwriters.

We wiped at 4% because my healers let me die from being punched over 10 s.

Like

I can't do any better than this.

What the fuck am I supposed to do at this point besides just mentally clock out and wait for my healers and DPS to figure out how standing in circles at the right time works.

[toxic prairie]

Yea that’s rough man

[cinder nova]

And my entire raid just gave so much pushback against the IRT module.

[toxic prairie]

How do you keep that uptime?

[cinder nova]

Reprisal.

[toxic prairie]

Irt was a game changer

Leaping out and charging in?

[cinder nova]

My entire raid bitched about it.

No, I run out when Overwhelm is about to start casting on the cotank and then taunt > intervene them after I grab boss.

Usually don't have to hit block, sometimes I do.

It's such a boring fight tbh.

I'm basically using charge as a buffer because he swings once or twice between taunts.

And then roll it into a block after his big casts.

You can tell if you need to bother blocking by just watching the Overwhelm timer.

If I have 8s on block and OW is coming in 6 I don't even block.

I just let it roll and revenge.

[toxic prairie]

Ahhh I gotcha , thanks . I just got reprisal , I need to get it working . I am getting frustrated in higher keys because I feel like I am getting my teeth kicked in on my warrior where on my guardian I’m half asleep at the keyboard and just fine

[cinder nova]

I can get you the log if you want.

So you can see the timing.

[toxic prairie]

I’m dps ing in mythic, was more talking about m pluses

[cinder nova]

Oh.

I leap and teleport out, yes.

Rarely caught flat-footed without a block.

And if something takes that long to kill it's probably a dead key anyway lol.

[toxic prairie]

That’s my biggest problem. I just came back to the game and am stuck in the 800-1000 dead zone of io where half the time my dps or healers are legit mouth breathers who don’t interrupt, use dcd s, etc

[cinder nova]

You gotta build your own keys, dawg.

That way you can get the top notch andys.

I'm coasting into 1400 atm.

[unique shale]

that's pug world nothing you can do

[twin chasm]

I'm confused as hell. When I sim over DTPS haste has negative value for me. TMI has it negative as well.
DTPS ( Pawn: v1: "Kamikazebob-Protection": Class=Warrior, Spec=Protection, Strength=1.77, Stamina=0.04, CritRating=1.50, HasteRating=-0.09, MasteryRating=1.68, Versatility=1.41, Armor=1.66, Dps=2.09 )
My current stats are
Crit 15%
Haste 7%
Mastery 37%
Verse 17%

Am I simming incorrectly?

[unique shale]

burh how do you live with 7% haste ?!

[twin chasm]

Just fine, honestly. Been somewhat unlucky with drops

[sturdy sable]

Is that a survivability SIM?

[twin chasm]

Is there a special mode? It's a standard 300 second patchwerk with myself in tank role. Scaling enabled and I'm looking a DTPS and TMI

[spark mortar]

Can someone settle an argument for me?
Prideful - the add, impacted by Fortified weeks or not?

[cerulean pebble]

no

Prideful is only affected by the default health / damage increase from the key itself

[cinder nova]

Bro...

How the fuck is this real.

Tell me this isn't normal.

That was our kill on M HD

[unique shale]

this is normal

[cinder nova]

How?

How is doing less DPS than the tank normal lol.

[unique shale]

idk how you do it but i doing it with condemn

[cinder nova]

I'm NF.

[sturdy sable]

prot can do good damage yeds

yes*

[cinder nova]

If you're doing less DPS than the 4th lowest DPS tank as one of the top ranged specs I feel like there's something abnormal.

Like, I know I'm tryharding as a pumper, but this is kinda unreasonable imo.

[lusty marsh]

Who needs a leggo for H nath or M shriek anyway

[cinder nova]

I'm gonna split, I'm just bitching in Skyhold about my shitty DPS and their crappy mechanics. Clogging up the chat lol

[lusty marsh]

I just spent half the night in seismic

[cinder nova]

kek

[lusty marsh]

big sigh

dumb 190 pos

[chilly brook]

Dawg you don't sim survival....

Literally no reliable good survival sim exists

[twin chasm]

That's kind of what I thought. How do people make informed decisions about trinkets, gear, and talents? Theorycraft alone?

[chilly brook]

Kinda

Ilvl is king

Not really much decision making to be had

Equip highest dps trinkets

Then if you need survival from trinkets slot one of the 3 decent options

Talent wise there isn't much to it

[lusty marsh]

Bargasts leash makes me wish I swapped loot specs

[unique shale]

leash on healers

[lusty marsh]

my 213 phial simms better 😦

[last mason]

just had the most ridiculous bbug in top

lich platforms trapped us in infinte loop

[unique shale]

lol

[last mason]

the portals wouldnt let us

out

and just kept sending us in circles

like wtf

[nimble laurel]

oof what do I do what Skulker's Wing

https://www.wowhead.com/item=184016/skulkers-wing?bonus=6805

[unique shale]

its useless

unless you want to wear it for ilvl

[haughty token]

Should I put reprisal on legs or boots?

New wow player here playing prot warrior. From what I understand legs is better for stats, so why would you ever put it on boots?

[floral pewter]

There are 233 legs from Stone Legion Generals, but there are no 233 boots, so you might be better off with 235 boots if you're clearing mythic

Otherwise yeah, legs

[haughty token]

Oh, but thats not a big enough reason to not opt for legs right?

what are the top stats that I want?

[unique shale]

haste

versa=cirt

[unique shale]

ok i going into 17 keys

any tips ?

[waxen cradle]

Don't die ?

Oh and while not dying do a lot of damage 😛

[unique shale]

lol wise words

[waxen cradle]

here to help 😛

[floral pewter]

Do what you did in 16s, but do it +1 harder

[waxen cradle]

^^^^

Can agree

[chilly brook]

Not entirely true

Its actually a pretty good trinket for pure single target fights

And it's a really good trinket for sludgefist

Legit crits for 47k during pillar

[dull zinc]

does double time give intervene charges?

[ionic fern]

No.

[stable kernel]

that would be so nice

[orchid frigate]

stupid question, if i sim equal as fury and arms will i do better on one of the specs in a raid (given that i play equally good on one of the specs)?

thinking that there might be CD timings etc that impacts 🙂

might also be a bit early in the morning for me to think straight 😦

[compact bloom]

Sir, this is prot

[orchid frigate]

i know

but you guys seem to know much about everything 😉

and im sure im not the only one with OS

[vestal moat]

You will do better as fury as it’s much simpler to play imho and less punishing to mistakes with cool downs.

[orchid frigate]

sounds reasonable

[soft surge]

I recently switched from dps to tank. What is the top priority to upgrade with valor? Shield? Because it actually has some block value? (210 shield currently equiped) or trinkets like scale?

[oblique radish]

How much haste is enough? its diminishing return on it ye? sitting on around 20%

[strong forum]

I'm sitting on 30%

Without ITF

You're safe to stack haste until 39%

[unique shale]

how much versa?

[strong forum]

7

[unique shale]

[unique shale]

upgrade shield and scale

then spent on your lowest lvl gears

[surreal sinew]

the dk's have lost their shit

[unique shale]

why

[surreal sinew]

they've renamed the entire discord

[unique shale]

why

[surreal sinew]

idk

end of days

smthg like that

[unique shale]

then why they losing their shit for a rename

[waxen cradle]

lmao its called Sylvannas Fan Club now lol

[unique shale]

lol

[unique shale]

can you send me dk discord link in dm ?

[slim pier]

[dry spear]

best quote "We don't need April 1st patch notes when the actual patch notes are already a joke on the other 364 days of the year"

[slim pier]

No that’s a terrible quote

[knotty arrow]

Hi guys, im trying to decide a covenant to play and can’t decide between necro and Kyrian, I don’t really want to be NF and will be mostly pugging keys. Can anyone offer advice?

[surreal sinew]

if pugging probably not nl

plus it's not really that fun i found

[strong forum]

In that case kyrian, it's very good and hardly any dps is kyrian either

[dry spear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR2Vy52kpEQ this is a good video about everything.

[mighty valley]

necro's only fun if you're gassing up your friends to have huge bursts

[surreal sinew]

☝️

[knotty arrow]

Great thank you guys!

[wanton panther]

I am necro since 9.0.5. I got my ksm being necro and I enjoy it SOO much more compared to kyrian. Bubble is very handy for prides and as you said, I have to post some logs so you guys can see how much boomie convoke and enh shaman benefit from the banner. It's insane they burst 25k on small packs.

If you have a few friends to play with go Necro 100000%. If you pug, kyrian is safer

Also necro traits are better than kyrian, more overall dps

[strong forum]

Tfw no honorable mention on stat weights

[knotty arrow]

I’m going to go Kyrian at the beginning when gearing and pugging, hopefully pick up a regular group to play with and then go necro. Thanks everyone

[woeful trellis]

Can you Post ur rio pillow

[sand condor]

Reprisal is fun on SLG

[strong forum]

Reprisal is fun period

[jagged pier]

☝️

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

Tf is that TC change? I re-rolled panda for nothing???

[elfin nova]

Reprisal is fun on sludge

Some of the other bosses I'm undecided

[twin vine]

I’m pretty new to prot and trying to get the hang of using reprisal in keys. So far I’ve been opening with charge, using my shield block charges, then intervene on a healer or ranged then charging back in to keep as much uptime on SB as possible then just waiting for SB charges to come back up and rinse repeat

Does that seem like the way to go pretty much?

[strong forum]

Wanna use intervene earlier

In an ideal scenario you would always have the CD rolling on charge, intervene and SB, and never sit on them

[tender oak]

Ive been playing fury up until now and wanna swap to prot or at least play some prot on the side, I am NF currently, how viable is that for prot

[strong forum]

Very

[tender oak]

Nice thanks! Glad I dont have to go through the hassle of changing covenant

[dry spear]

do we "pin" class guide videos? i think the new plika vid is pin worthy

[tender carbon]

What soulbind are you running with in keys?

[wary cove]

I'm really enjoying playing Necro on my warrior too. Fleshcraft is awesome for initial boss pulls, and banner + avatar + hero/lust makes for HUGE burst damage you.

[wanton panther]

Emeni. It's supposed to be for raids only but I like it more than the other one.

[wanton panther]

Yea the dps is insane.

[outer spoke]

If you run reprisal you dont need Bolster, take AM for more dps 💪🏼

[wanton panther]

Bolster bis for shield block up time

[wary cove]

It's great when the tank ends up with competitive DPS

[outer spoke]

But u dont need it

[elfin nova]

You can drop bolster if you play reprisal

And take BSC instead of booming

[outer spoke]

I do like 4-5k dps allover a dungeon and tanking most with my face 😂 and i have only 215 gear

Keys are 14-16

[wanton panther]

I just feel more alive with bolster. Since I am not using the wall, I really don't care about shield wall anymore, I have seen that shield block uptime is way better than stupid shield wall.

[elfin nova]

Yes but bolster is not nearly as good when you already have 80%+ shield block uptime without it

[wanton panther]

I will definitely try that thanks 🙂

[elfin nova]

You get more damage and rage (and more shield wall) from AM

You're defensively more likely to benefit from shield wall every 2m than even more block uptime

[wanton panther]

I had am before my ksm but when I tried to push I saw every tank was using bolster and I copied it. I will try AM again

[lofty widget]

that was most likely before reprisal

[outer spoke]

That was before 9.0.5 and reprisal

[elfin nova]

AM was not the pick with TW for sure but bolster is pretty much just overkill with reprisal

[wanton panther]

Nice nice guys I didn't know those tips. I'll try today 🙂

Thanks 💪🏽

[signal plover]

I'm pretty excited to try out Mwahi's special April 1st prot talents!

[sand condor]

HAHAH

where can i find this

[signal plover]

Deep in the archives of my prot warr disc screens

[solid cairn]

you should switch stormbolt for rumbling earth

[mellow gorge]

tbf, i used that build and recorded it, it wasn't actually that bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcZXfoB2f70

you can see here it actually held up nicely

[gaunt dawn]

that's actually better than i thought

big dam 👀

[twin vine]

So something more like charge, intervene a melee, SB, SB?

Or would double time be worth it for charge, intervene a ranged, charge again

[sweet summit]

a bit late, but its impossible to accurately sim DTPS, so just dont. survivability is like 95% self play anyway. ilvl>haste>vers>crit=mast. delete pawn
You can sim for dps with raidbots, thats as far as simming goes

[strong forum]

Ye smth like that

[plush tendon]

I think im going to kill someone with intervene this week with quacking

XD

[strong forum]

Good

Assert dominance

Compliance is death

[uneven mason]

QUACKING

🦆

[signal plover]

🦆

[uneven mason]

My Pug 15 ToP with 2 priests lastnight.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/808191215958622248/826786358155935754/12ognqpv57q61.jpg

[plush tendon]

Lol, range getting quacked on

this was me last night in a SoA 15

Killed Mr Cannonball many of times/close to death

[uneven mason]

My priests killed our key

Spriest doing 2.4k overall

[plush tendon]

thats what our ele shaman did XD

[uneven mason]

kept interrupting the healer

[plush tendon]

at least she quacks the mobs right back

[uneven mason]

facepulled

so many mobs

Like, ToP was pretty linear

I thought

[plush tendon]

not if you get bounced around in the Caster area

[uneven mason]

no, plenty of extra trash

yeah

and then my favorite "Focus the skull"

Spriest kills the little dudes and spawns Prideful on that small platform with the death tornado (you know the one)

[plush tendon]

KEK

though, shouldnt you need to kill all three to spawn prideful?

oh wait, right, extra trash

[uneven mason]

yeah

after that I was like GG

knew we were not going to kill Skeletor

[plush tendon]

Bosses aint bad this week though since its Fort

[uneven mason]

its not often I drop a key before completion

but we were only on our 2nd wing

[plush tendon]

ToP can be a slog

[uneven mason]

and had 4min left

[plush tendon]

yea, thats a riperino

[uneven mason]

I wasn't about to add to that Spriests pile of carried crap to boost his io

[plush tendon]

Overall, its a good week since the affixes dont directly buff any dugneons, just got to be able to deal with them XD

[plush tendon]

He just wants the Ruby 😭

[grand sphinx]

Anyone have any tips on how to use Reprisal efficiently? Charge seems straightforward (charge in / jump out & heroic leap) but I feel like I have trouble with how best to use intervene. Still new to warrior tanking but don't want to enforce bad habits

[solemn magnet]

Having a melee dps in the group helps

[grand sphinx]

ive heard something about using mouseover? would you reccomend? seems clunky to mid fight have to press the keybind, find my mouse, and click someone

[plush tendon]

I use party frames to target and intervene; you can use a mouseover

[solemn magnet]

Mouse over has helped me quite a bit.

[grand sphinx]

haha yeah just coming from Brewmaster i feel like i have ADHD playing this class, but I guess i just need more practice

not going super high end i just wanna be able to do like +10s and heroic raiding

[plush tendon]

Prot War with reprisal is interesting, since you are sort of zooming all over the place to get reprisal procs

[grand sphinx]

it is BiS though, right?

[digital hawk]

good change

[solemn magnet]

Yeah, I'd say so

[uneven mason]

get cliqu (addon) lets you setup a mouseclick macro using any group/raid frames

[plush tendon]

For M+ yes, but The Wall is a decent substitute

[grand sphinx]

ill check it out, thanks. actually about to build a whole new UI mine is garbage

[signal plover]

Mouse over intervene is good if you're already using your focus frame for something else. If you're not just focus a melee and intervene em on CD (while actively getting meleed)

[plush tendon]

but depending on your lego, your talent build does change

[grand sphinx]

For raiding specifically, would I be gimping myself using the wall over reprisal? I know for m+ reprisal is clear BiS but my main focus is raiding

[turbid kayak]

Hey all i have a wee question. Checking wowhead and they advise Thunder lord for m+ but i see reprisal mentioned here and other parts of the guide. Just wondering if this is outdated

[grand sphinx]

Might be outdated, reprisal seems to be general consensus BiS for m+ since 9.0.5 rework

[turbid kayak]

Ah thanks 🙂

[uneven mason]

No, you're fine.

[uneven mason]

Llarold can't be bothered to update non monk guides.

[grand sphinx]

this server seems way better than monk discord, monk discord is full of a bunch of jerks

[tame jasper]

Well we are prot warr 😉

[uneven mason]

Most discords are like that...

[tame jasper]

Ifc we ware better than monks

[uneven mason]

Warrior mains tend to be like....very tempered and calm

[grand sphinx]

yeah definitely not angry or full of rage or anything

ironic

[signal plover]

Hey fukka youuuu we're mean

[uneven mason]

Brewmasters, Blood DKs are both lamenting the fact that they were recently smoothbrain FoTM BiS uberboys who now have to actually "press buttons"

[tame jasper]

we regulary spend our rage you wanna say? 😄

[grand sphinx]

are Brew not still FoTM? Still feel like they are haha

[signal plover]

I still prefer wall over reprisal for most fights kek

[uneven mason]

Brew are squishy as fuck

[plush tendon]

Brews are still good, but they arent what they were back in BFA

[grand sphinx]

thats good to hear I might switch to wall. unless im pushing cutting edge stuff it shouldnt make that much difference and reprisal is a bitch to use so far

[uneven mason]

BrM now requires player interaction

is what the 9.0 patch notes hould've said

[signal plover]

Even at cutting edge stuff those two leggos come down to personal preference/comfort and some other fight assignment details

[grand sphinx]

I really enjoyed Brew tanking at the start of SL... for like 4 months. just so boring and same thing over and over

never experienced BfA brew though so

[uneven mason]

BFA brew was this, but with 1 more button, that didn't matter

[grand sphinx]

alright enough about monks im gonna throw up. sword and board > fists

[uneven mason]

😄

[plush tendon]

the real question is..... what Cov are you

[uneven mason]

the real answer is, it doesn't matter!

[plush tendon]

well if it doesnt matter... can i interest you in some

[signal plover]

This fuckin guy

Was hot to trot about banner like 48 hours ago

[plush tendon]

ok, I swapped Saturday

Ill have you know 😛

[signal plover]

48 hours, metric units

[plush tendon]

Im like one of those guys who at first didnt believe in god, then something happened, and now I must spread the word

[signal plover]

Dude I'm so ordained by the kyrians at this point they invite me to their gender ambiguous bathhouse orgies

It's a good time

The stewards provide musical entertainment only

[plush tendon]

Meanwhile, Im over here trying to justify making my Kyrian VDH Venthyr

XD

[signal plover]

My vdh is venth

[plush tendon]

I hate Bastion and the Kyrian

[signal plover]

I also barely play it

[grand sphinx]

Im kyrian, i love kyrian fight me

have fun dying to necrotic sucker

[modern brook]

Todays the best day of the year

I can finally make shitty left field opinions

and when they;re proven wrong i can go

HAHA U GOT APRIL FOOLED

[grand sphinx]

gotem

[plush tendon]

I got a joke for you; starting SLG prog tonight

[uneven mason]

Dying to necrotic is what other tanks do

Warriors face tank with 50 stacks

[plush tendon]

^^

well, more like 40

[uneven mason]

because reducing damage to almost 0 > healing yourself

I mean, depends if its fortified

[plush tendon]

I dont think Necrotic and Fort can be on the same week can it?

[uneven mason]

you might be right in that case

50stacks

fite me

[astral crystal]

hasn't been the case this expac

im reasonably sure anyway

[plush tendon]

yea, it looks to always be paired with Tyrannical, but holy do they add the annoying affixes to it

Necrotic+Inspire, Necrotic+ Bolster, Necrotic+Spitful

[modern brook]

spiteful confirmed not annoying anymore

they fixed the 900 yd attack range

[plush tendon]

WTB more bursting and volcanics

[plush tendon]

They said they fixed it

[modern brook]

100% did

I can tell because im not getting punched form 900 yds away anymore

[plush tendon]

I guess my melee are greedy then

[modern brook]

I would put money on "My melee isnt doing mechanics" basically every week

[uneven mason]

That crap is still pissing me off

M+ was the one place Melee could really shine

since Raids are generally scewed toward favoring Ranged stacking

this Xpac blizzard is like "Know what we need, an affix every week to fuck melee"

"Screw cleave groups!"

[modern brook]

more than just an affix

[stable kernel]

the only class discords i like are Warr and paladin

[uneven mason]

I'm not sure that isn't a contradictory statement.

[stable kernel]

[modern brook]

Target caps disproportionately targeting melee specs, Volcanic updated to spawn in melee more often, Storming, Spiteful, Sanguine still existing, Every dungeon has a "melee will die" mechanic on trash (bladestorms in hakar hallway, Thrash in HoA, buck in mists etc)

they just really said " we dont want melee to be fun ever"

[uneven mason]

The issue is that melee are fun to play

[plush tendon]

Thrash and Buck are actually the worst

[uneven mason]

casters are boring as fuck

[modern brook]

I play with a holy pal

And it makes melee way too cluttered as is

as the only Melee dps

[stable kernel]

buck fun mechanic

[modern brook]

taking 2 is impossible

[stable kernel]

gives me free reprisal

[uneven mason]

TFW You don't just lock buck down with

[modern brook]

Yah i mean

"do the mechanic 4head" is the solution obviousl

the problem is that range doesnt have to "do the mechanic" or die

even your tank can ignore buck well into the high teens low 20s of keys

[uneven mason]

I Mean, a rogue complaining about an attack from a mob that is blindable/stunnable/gougeable

[stable kernel]

ranged don't have to do half the mechanics in m+ atm

[modern brook]

fuck off dude

[uneven mason]

😄

[modern brook]

jokes Snoresville day 2

[stable kernel]

the only mechanic they make hard in pugs

is the thrash

[uneven mason]

But yeah you point stands

[stable kernel]

i love seeing my low armor ranged class people standing in thrash

so poggers

[modern brook]

always does

[uneven mason]

because there is a lot of "Bucking crap"

[modern brook]

its extra lame too cause half them are like 30yd range

liek the exact where range doesnt have to try and ourange it and melee cant do damage during it

[stable kernel]

yea and they stand beside the tank

with curse of obliteration on them

cus they cba to interrupt

[uneven mason]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[stable kernel]

[fallen hare]

just increase attack range with melee spells 15 yds lul, fixed melee m+

we are the casters now

[uneven mason]

THey legit gave Unholy DKs a talent for this

you can literally be a "Caster" as a UDK

[stable kernel]

death coil 🧠

[plush tendon]

Yea, but who wants to cast dry Clawing Shadows without a wound

[uneven mason]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fallen hare]

Been running range comp with my mates most of the season, but the storming weeks with 3-4 melee sure is fun

the range affixes feels like its a minor inconvenience while melee gets totally fucked over in comparison

[uneven mason]

The fact that storms spawn in melee always

😡

[stable kernel]

storming not only fucks ur melee but ur tank too

[fallen hare]

Storming was okay when I was the only one in melee

[modern brook]

and they still cant range thrash 😂

[fallen hare]

but with everyone in there filling up my screen with visual effects its worse and worse

[plush tendon]

I swear, I run with range that dont understand you can stand 40 yard away from thrash and not get it

[fallen hare]

Get new range :p

[stable kernel]

no ranged understands it unless ur in comms

[plush tendon]

I always hear "Im sorry, I was casting to stay alive"

[modern brook]

Storming a) lasts too long and b) is way too ambiguous as to its path when spawning

[plush tendon]

Even in comms though

[stable kernel]

just dumb playr

[plush tendon]

My frustrating levels with those Glioaths goes through the roof

[fallen hare]

I felt a melee focused group are easier to be punished by spiteful rather than storming

atleast before people semi understood how spiteful worked

[uneven mason]

Finishing a cast is the #1 Ranged privilege pile of crap.
"Not only do I Never have to worry about mechanics, when I do have to worry about them, I make it the healers problem"

"Because my parse"

[modern brook]

"uhh excuse me

How do you think we killed boss? Was it me not finishing a frostbolt?"

[fallen hare]

check mate

[modern brook]

ranged simps will say it was the frost bolt

[stable kernel]

u sure it wasnt execute?

[unique tree]

is there any amount of haste where I want to stop or just haste over all?

[uneven mason]

ilvl > haste

but no cap on it

(no reachable cap)

[knotty pewter]

Am i trolling if i try to play prot as venthyr? I enjoy playing arms in pvp and fury in m+, cause condemn go brrr.. but if i wanna tank m+ it's clunky af.
As ven-prot, do you just play as if you have no covenant ability?

[gentle notch]

You can play any covneant and easily clear 15s :)

[fallen hare]

ven prot also brings a lot of single target dps

if you dont have to spend all the rage on ignore pain / blocks

[fickle scaffold]

any venthyr procs here?

[uneven mason]

single target Condemn is > Revenge + IP

[sweet summit]

venthyr procs?

[silver trout]

I like venthyr prot, condemn can hit like a truck... then again my group is struggling on 14s and 15s because we're medicare players at best so take that with a grain of salt

[fickle scaffold]

ah okay lol

wait till the buffs

[sweet summit]

what buffs?

[fickle scaffold]

vangar is getting buffed by 20%

[strong forum]

[uneven mason]

🙄

[sweet summit]

what

the 10% phys and 10% magic damage reduction is live now

[strong forum]

Oh he means vanguard

[signal plover]

I was like did I miss a new orc name

[fallen hare]

yeah those are live

kind of cool name tbh

[strong forum]

And yeah, that buff happened yesterday

[signal plover]

Vangar would be a great warr name tho

[strong forum]

Too much like veigar from league

And thus its cringe

[fickle scaffold]

lol

[sweet summit]

fax

[uneven mason]

TFW I Would've rather had a 20% damage increase buff than a mitigation buff

would allow for higher keys on prot

can only be so 🧱

[silver trout]

right

[signal plover]

I'm ok with where our dmg is now prior to 9.1

[uneven mason]

Until I'm making DPS weep I won't be ok

[signal plover]

If they overcorrected it would prolly shoot us to the moon next patch

[fallen hare]

I'm a cuck necro prot warrior so I'll never catch up to my dps

[signal plover]

Just gotta b patient

[silver trout]

the damage reduction is nice, I guess, didn't really notice it when we did our Tuesday round of failing keys 🤣

[signal plover]

Just go NF man

Don't do that banner life to yourself

[short kiln]

It feels like the way PW scales with iLvl that 9.1 should make everything just feel better

[fallen hare]

Dont feel the NF play in pvp

banner burst is pretty fun

[sick sentinel]

Winter Queen simps

[signal plover]

Kyrian or venth better in pvp tho

[fallen hare]

Yeah I know venth is the optimal choice, but they use different stat prios

[signal plover]

Wot

[fallen hare]

venthyr arms warriors stack crit and shit, and cba having different gear sets :p, maybe fae is the way to go. But not grinding renown just yet

[uneven mason]

For the love of god this meme needs to die

[short kiln]

the entire concept of scaling?

[uneven mason]

we don't scale with ilvl any differently than other tanks.
K values will change in 9.1 so our "scaling" will be negated.

a HC dropped shield from 9.1 will mitigate roughly the same % Of damage vs a HC boss than a HC shield in 9.0 mitigates vs a HC boss.

we haven't "Scaled" in the concept of "gear gives more power than content" since Cataclysm

[short kiln]

cheerfully withdrawn comment then

[snow basin]

How is memory of past sins for m+?

[uneven mason]

Its one of my pet peeves, I see it all the time "Good thing warriors scale well"

There is some cymbal monkey at Blizzard repeating that up and down the cubicle farm is the reason why Fury was left a dumpster fire I'm sure

[short kiln]

LMAOOOO

[signal plover]

It's cuz our artifact was called scale imo

Only explanation

[uneven mason]

💯

[dark lark]

Very meh

[elfin nova]

If you press aoe buttons the stacks will go on different targets iirc

But even if they all hit the prio target or bosses, the trinket doesn't do any more damage on aoe than on st and is not tuned that high to begin with

[noble nacelle]

200 Vers/Haste necklace or 213 Mastery/Haste necklace Hmmmmm

[uneven mason]

the 213...

[solemn magnet]

^

[noble nacelle]

1k heakth us really that much better than 3% damage done and 1.5% less daamage taken

[uneven mason]

mastery isn't usless for mitigation or damage either..

I like when people compare like that "If I totally ignore this other thing, this thing is obviously better"

[elfin nova]

I'm gonna use 207 boe haste vers neck instead of huntsman mythic neck, you can't stop me 😡

[uneven mason]

k

you do you

[noble nacelle]

Its 2% block

from mastery

[uneven mason]

4% AP

(which also scales your IP)

[distant crystal]

big dam

also big stam

smol parry

[elfin nova]

Maybe I should stop being bad and learn to pvp

[noble nacelle]

Yeah, the 213 sims +20 dps

so thats the call then

[elfin nova]

Praying for a haste vers neck in raid in 9.1

[uneven mason]

its like

[distant crystal]

he's talking 226

[uneven mason]

splitting hairs on that close

but eh

[distant crystal]

it's not that close

[uneven mason]

20 DPS?

[distant crystal]

20dps is 213

he's talking about 226

[elfin nova]

No he asked an actual question, i wasn't serious

[distant crystal]

19 ilvl

[signal plover]

2 diff convos lads

[elfin nova]

He said 200 vs 213

[distant crystal]

i'll fight you all at once!

[uneven mason]

Waat, you jumped into the middle of someone jumping into the middle of a convo

[distant crystal]

hold me back

[noble nacelle]

yeah im debating between the 200 Pvp neck and the 213 Hunstman neck

[elfin nova]

@distant crystal but does your neck have haste mastery or haste vers

[distant crystal]

my neck has a beard

[uneven mason]

Neither will make or break you, 213 is ez because of more HP

[fallen hare]

1400 is ez clappers 207 bis stats is probably worth it

[elfin nova]

If you aren't going to do huntsman mythic then you could get 213 pvp at 1600

[fallen hare]

but eh just wear the necklace that make you feel good

[noble nacelle]

I plan on hitting 1800 on my warrior whenever my 2s partner gets his disc geared

[distant crystal]

but also... my warrior's neck has crit haste and mastery

😅

[elfin nova]

Pog

[noble nacelle]

and then ill use the 220 Vers/haste

[elfin nova]

Level 50 gamer

[signal plover]

The heart did nothing wrong?

[distant crystal]

i miss triple BoM, 1 DC, a clockwork, 1 HoD :*(

and TD

[noble nacelle]

I dont

I like pressing revenge

and being able to do that more