protection

[lavish oracle]

It's not exciting but it doesn't really need to be

[crisp dragon]

And on that note, have a good evening.

[solemn magnet]

So, what'd everyone get in their loot boxes???

[lavish oracle]

Lol, anyone who uses snowflake unironically in an argument loses

[modern brook]

🤷‍♀️

Bro these takes are weird af - I'm literally promoting homogenization :/

[lavish oracle]

I got some 6 ilvl upgrade shoulders

[chilly brook]

Leave it to a rogue smh

[unreal scarab]

dangit now i really think about going vulpera for the full fairyvibes

[solemn magnet]

I only did 1 dungeon on my war last week.

[modern brook]

If any of these warriors could be right for a second a rogue wouldnt have to correct them all the time 🤷‍♀️

[uneven mason]

I think he's praying that homogenization will bring something interesting to a class that hasn't changed since 2010

[chilly brook]

Wdym bruh I am right

[chilly brook]

Oof but also not true

[lavish oracle]

I was kinda slacking last week too, only got 4 15+ keys done because of monhun

[remote hawk]

Vulpera love

[modern brook]

i only ever do 4 15s

[uneven mason]

Changing the name of Combat to outlaw

[solemn magnet]

I been gearing a hpally. It's a lot of fun

[modern brook]

getting 10 in is a slog a lot of the time

[uneven mason]

big change, sitll literally spam sinister strike

[chilly brook]

Slacker

[modern brook]

espeically across both my characters

[chilly brook]

Combo points on you and not the target

👀

[lavish oracle]

I usually get 10 pretty easy but I like keys

[modern brook]

It used to be Saber Slash :^)

[chilly brook]

RTB

[solemn magnet]

I kinda hate my war with reprisal, no lie. I may go back to using wall again. /shrug

[modern brook]

well it went SS->Ss->SS

[chilly brook]

Between the eyes

[modern brook]

welcome home brother

[chilly brook]

Meanwhile here I am warming up to reprisal

[lavish oracle]

I like reprisal

[chilly brook]

[modern brook]

IMO Reprisal is the correct choice

[lavish oracle]

I kinda like flying around the fights

[modern brook]

But not so much more correct that it justifies taking ash away from pvp leggos

235 wall is good nenough for my content 🤷‍♀️

[uneven mason]

TBF you were fury when Reprisal became "viable"

[lavish oracle]

It is definitely incredibly correct in M+

[chilly brook]

Yea but I was also fury when I started warming up to it

[celest chasm]

I really dislike using reprisal in raid

[modern brook]

all those fury revenges :POG:

[solemn magnet]

I know when I look at logs, everything is better. SB uptime is better, my dps is better, but it feels bad in the dungeon.

[sweet summit]

wish it worked with slam for fury/arms

[lavish oracle]

In raid, you're perfectly fine with the wall

[solemn magnet]

I need to give it more practice

[sweet summit]

as revenge is just slam

but nah

[modern brook]

Its ok

We cant use signet so they cant use reprisal

[mighty valley]

I've started to think it's fun... I'm not really pushing any more so reprisal is a little less autopilot than the wall

[modern brook]

now we're even

[sweet summit]

truetrue

[modern brook]

doy uo run with a consistent group? and is one of them melee dps/ holy pal?

[languid flower]

I fell in love with reprisal the first dungeon I ran it.

[solemn magnet]

Only a consistent healer. We pug our dps.

[modern brook]

taking 1x melee dps makes reprisal a lot less pepega

[languid flower]

even the nerf didn't change my opinion: It's exactly what prot warriors needed.

[solemn magnet]

For sure. I grab a melee every key now

[lavish oracle]

Hpal makes it pretty nice too

[modern brook]

yeah i run with an hpal

[languid flower]

So what about it feels bad to you, @solemn magnet ?

[solemn magnet]

My healer is a rsham

[modern brook]

Just gotta keep my glorious pink pal safe from harm

[languid flower]

I'm sorry, I can't stop reading that as "my healer is a sham"

[solemn magnet]

I think it's mostly mouse overs and targeting my intervene target is what's the most annoying. That sounds like it should be so easy, but it's kinda frustrating.

[modern brook]

are you targetting the model or the player frame?

[chilly brook]

Eh I hard disagree with this statement

It's not what we needed

[languid flower]

or the healthbar?

[chilly brook]

It's what we got

[solemn magnet]

My mouse over doesn't work on frames. :(

[modern brook]

Its a bad mouseover then lol

[chilly brook]

But what we need is either something that's actually a DPS legendary OR something that actually helps in areas of weakness

[languid flower]

can you copypasta your macro for me?

[chilly brook]

Like

Maybe a legendary that gives us Legion IP

[languid flower]

@chilly brook It seems you and I disagree on a lot of things.

[chilly brook]

Because we'd actually have a use case for that

[modern brook]

smh u and legion ip

[chilly brook]

One that actually fills a void

[modern brook]

its dead, boomer

[solemn magnet]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exists] Intervene; Intervene

[chilly brook]

I know its dead it's just an example

[languid flower]

Mind if I give you a different one to try out?

[solemn magnet]

Sure

[modern brook]

triple ` brackets plz

[solemn magnet]

I was trying to have it work as a mouse over and default functionality without a modifer

[chilly brook]

Legion IP is just an easy thing we know that existed that I can point to that would actually fix a lot of the problem areas we have in say keys

Bleeds? No problem

[lusty marsh]

What made legion ip so different?

[chilly brook]

Dps didnt kick? No problem

[modern brook]

was a 90% absorb and stacked a fuck ton more

[chilly brook]

^

[modern brook]

i thought it was 3x but ppl have been quoting 5-8

IDK, doesnt really matter

[languid flower]

/cast [mod:alt,@focus, help, nodead] [@sinful boltover,help,nodead] [help, nodead] [@targettarget,help,nodead] [] Intervene

[modern brook]

rip mouse

[chilly brook]

We're never getting it back

[languid flower]

It was broken in legion

lots of things were broken in legion

[modern brook]

I meant mroe that "how high it stacked doesnt matter cause the point is that it was more"

[chilly brook]

It wasn't

[modern brook]

tanking was very different in legion

It's broken in todays climate

but back then it was fine

[chilly brook]

I miss legion tanking

[solemn magnet]

I'll try it out this week.

[modern brook]

I do too but i'd be lying if i thought it was better for keys as content

[chilly brook]

I do

[languid flower]

actually yang, I kinda feel bad about that one. Let me get mine for you

[limpid burrow]

i cant choose between and

[chilly brook]

I don't think that 9 different abilities you have to keep track of each pack is necessarily "good" for tanking

Or rather keys

[amber herald]

kyrian has the dungeon buffs positive

[chilly brook]

They just moved further in the opposite direction I thought they should take keys in BFA with SL

Ideal world of keys for content is a mix between Legion and BFA

[dark lark]

[chilly brook]

Like I get Legion is comparatively braindead to what we have now

[modern brook]

agree to disagree here. the problem with the high amount of _needs_tracking abilities is that they only indirectly affect those in charge of them by virtue of eventually your tank cant eat them anymore

[chilly brook]

But more mechanics on every mob doesnt mean good content either

[solemn magnet]

Do all those conditions make your mouse over ignore mobs? For instance, my melee dps are always on the mobs butt, so if I'm trying to mouse over their player model it doesn't register using my macro because I'm moused over the mob. If that makes sense.

[modern brook]

Regardless though Mob mechanics & dungeon design arent really what i meant by legion tanking

[limpid burrow]

use party frames to mouseover

[modern brook]

I was refering to the literal godmode that was playing a tank in legion

Dying was embarassing and near impossible if you were actively at your keyboard

[chilly brook]

I'd rather be a god than be super reliant on everyone else

[languid flower]

@solemn magnet Do you want intervene and charge to be the same button?

[solemn magnet]

Nah

[chilly brook]

I prefer to be in charge of my own survival as a tank

[modern brook]

I feel like most of us would push that button yeah

[languid flower]

And do you want to be able to intervene your focus?

[chilly brook]

So then what's the problem lol

We have a tank problem in the game

[modern brook]

Because its 5 man content 4head

Legion tanks were literally able to ignore having a healer

[solemn magnet]

I don't usually set a focus, but it wouldn't hurt to grt used to that.

[modern brook]

you brought one because you couldnt find a 4th warlock

[chilly brook]

No one wants to tank for the most part and it's a dwindling subset of the population every xpac

[languid flower]

I usually set my focus to be something I need to interrupt

[light thicket]

I rly rly suggest what other ppl said

[chilly brook]

So why do they keep making tanks ass to play

[modern brook]

you're moving the goal posts here dude

[lusty marsh]

This expac definitely didn't help

[light thicket]

And intervene using the party frames

[languid flower]

but sometimes I'll set it to the other tank, or the 2nd part of the boss that I need to swap to

[light thicket]

With a mouseover macro

[chilly brook]

How is that moving the goalposts?

[subtle island]

who doesn't want to play tank

[chilly brook]

If it means we can have more of a dwindling role for a certain type of content then how is it bad for that content

[strong forum]

People that know better

[light thicket]

Most of the playerbase

[chilly brook]

Your average pug wasn't neglecting to bring a healer in Legion

That's a red herring

Yea you saw it in MDI

Then they changed the rules

Soooooo......

[modern brook]

its a sign of early adaptation

The average pug is behind on trends

If legion tanking remained the standard

by mid bfa

1/0/4 would be standard

garunteed

the point begins and ends

[chilly brook]

Your average pug doesnt have the skill to not bring a healer

[modern brook]

Legion tanking made tanks way too powerful

[chilly brook]

I strongly disagree

Especially when MoP existed

[modern brook]

You played a shitty version of Legion then

[chilly brook]

Tanks were arguably way more powerful in MoP

[modern brook]

M+ didnt exist in mop

[languid flower]

So here's the macro I propose using:

/cast [@target, help, nodead][@mouseover, help, nodead][@mouseovertarget, help, nodead][@targettarget, help, nodead][] Intervene```

[toxic gyro]

I would love to watch you do upper or lower Kara with no healer 😈

[strong forum]

It's been done before

1x bdk 4x monk

[chilly brook]

People doing 15s with all balance druids rn

[toxic gyro]

On high keys?

[strong forum]

Was pretty standard for mdi

[chilly brook]

Might as well drop all your tanks and healers

And just stack all boomies now

[strong forum]

Upper kara 23 1x bdk 4x ww

[chilly brook]

[strong forum]

On explosive

iirc

[toxic gyro]

Ppl did ~30 by the end of legion

[chilly brook]

It's really unrealistic to use these examples as a reason for why tanks shouldn't be better

[modern brook]

Its not a reason why tanks shouldnt be better

[chilly brook]

Because they'll never be widely accepted

[modern brook]

ITs a reason that tanks needed to change

[toxic gyro]

But 23 without healer still seems pretty spicy

[chilly brook]

They really didnt need to change

Blizz just wanted them to change

[languid flower]

I disagree

If you have a significant portion of the player base whose entire ROLE is being shunned as not necessary, then you have a broken game

[toxic gyro]

Bfa tanks were best imo

[wild hemlock]

lets see all the 226 scales that i didnt get in my chest

[modern brook]

Wellthats just wrong bandi

[toxic gyro]

U had to kite a bit but not as much as now

[solemn magnet]

Thank. Will try and report back.

[modern brook]

The direction tanking went after legion was like objectively negative

But the idea that legion tanking could stay as it was and for m+ to be interesting content still is just shortsighted

[chilly brook]

BFA tanking wasn't what I would call good

[strong forum]

Okay 22 https://youtu.be/BD3rJhDNPyY

[toxic gyro]

Why not

[languid flower]

You build a system using 3 roles: tanks, healers, and dps, and then you allow for groups with no healer to do better and faster than groups with a healer? How does that make the healer players feel? do they continue to play? is that good for the community as a whole?

[toxic gyro]

What was wrong with bfa tanking

[lusty marsh]

Shrine lol

I kid

[strong forum]

Bfa tanking was already not great compared to legion

[chilly brook]

No one did this outside of very very coordinated groups with good players or MDI groups

[modern brook]

BFA began a trend of the tanks survivabilty being directly tied to the competency of your group

[uneven mason]

8.0 prot in M+ ugh

[languid flower]

Let's flip it. Blizzard makes it so that tanks aren't necessary. they don't do enough damage, and the mobs are either kiteable or just don't hit hard enough to need one. I don't get picked for groups, I don't feel good, I don't play.

[chilly brook]

This already exists

[modern brook]

so like what? 3 months ago?

[chilly brook]

Red herring argument

[languid flower]

Oh, but you know DAMN well that all most players do is copy the pros anyway

[chilly brook]

Actually red herring

[uneven mason]

Legit the reason why VDH was the meta?

[chilly brook]

This ALREADY exists

[languid flower]

everytime I come in here with a question, you tell me I'm overcomplicating things and I should just do what the pros do

[chilly brook]

Have you not seen the 5x boomie +15s?

[uneven mason]

Actually we don't support copying the pros

[modern brook]

We support copying sense and plka

[uneven mason]

I Mean, there isn't a ton more

[toxic gyro]

Isn’t that the point? Ar least in m+. Depending on your group.

[uneven mason]

like "pros" doing crazy pulls with big kites?

[modern brook]

i mean thats ultimately a design decision

Tanks entire purpose is to not die

if me dying is dependant on my group kicking necrotic bolt

What am i even doing there?

my decisions dont matter

becasue my mage wont counter spell

The other extreme of that is that ONLY my decisions matter

[toxic gyro]

But being a god and taking everything to the face and dps just being monkeys pressing their buttons would be pretty boring

[modern brook]

and your dps just face roll their rotations and your healer exists only to heal non-avoidable damage that your dps cant sustain thruogh

[chilly brook]

I could do huge ass pulls in Legion and keep myself alive

It didnt matter

Because my group would still die

Sooooo

Not really true

[modern brook]

I'm sorry your group has 2 iq

[solemn magnet]

Does sense actively post about stuff? It's been a hot minute since his last yt video and he's usually pretty short on words here

[toxic gyro]

Wish blizzard got more creative with spells but that’s just wishful thinking

[sick sentinel]

It's group content, group responsibility, all shoul help an use their skills to achieve group goal

[strong forum]

The times where you pulled entire room in lower kara below the theatre

[modern brook]

doesnt change what was possible

[uneven mason]

Yeah, the basic thing they took from us was the ability to control our own damage intake

[strong forum]

Your group dies

But you live through it and kill it solo

Wait for group to come back

[signal plover]

That's just how sense do

[uneven mason]

but it takes FOREVER

[strong forum]

Good times

[languid flower]

The priority is your target,, whoever you moused over (including portrait, model, or nameplate, if I recall), the target of whoever you're mousing over (so if a mob is running awy from you, whoever they are attacking), and then finally, the target of your target (so you're hitting the boss, someone pulls aggro, boom! intervene)

[chilly brook]

Kinda my point

[modern brook]

he respondes to @ mentions generally

people dont do it often casue its rude

[strong forum]

Sense is a busy man

[limpid burrow]

legions arcane torrent

[chilly brook]

Just because you were in charge of your survival doesnt mean that you're no longer making important decisions based on pull size etc.

Because you were

[modern brook]

but you wrent

[chilly brook]

But you were

[toxic gyro]

The times when u had over 110% vers and 16% Leech and u could tank everything lol

[modern brook]

or rather: you didnt have to

[chilly brook]

But you did

Because your group being dead was worse for the key

[modern brook]

You could just as easily take [broken dps, at the time it was warlocks, today itd be boomkins]

that can sustain whatevers killing them (or kill it before damage gets unreasonable)

and you skew the meta

[strong forum]

That's with an overly strong stat budget + perfect gear

[modern brook]

because suddenly 1/0/4ww is faster and more efficient than 1.1.3 whatevers

[toxic gyro]

Yea my gear was pretty nutty

[chilly brook]

And again 1/0/4 was never widely adopted

Even with that

👀

[languid flower]

in legion I used to play without watching the screen

[chilly brook]

You're making a false equivalency

[languid flower]

gather a mob, set my position, and then tell someone to just pound on the keyboard while I took a piss

[strong forum]

And it was a dogshit time imo, bfa s4 vers stacking was incredibly boring cuz it wasn't even from you playing well, it was just you stacking 1 stat into oblivion, it barely rewarded good play

[modern brook]

No you're ignoring what was possible because jonny Conquest cant do it

[toxic gyro]

Some od top warriors had up to 30% leech. Pretty insane

[modern brook]

The idea that the avergage wouldnt rise to that is incredibly short sighted as well

[chilly brook]

I'm acknowledging what was possible and also saying that just because it was possible doesnt mean it sees wide adoption

[modern brook]

and ignores basically every statistical trend ever

[fading quiver]

anyone know how hard veng DHs were hit today?

[chilly brook]

It's not ignoring statistical trends

[modern brook]

Felhammer might have a better answer for you

[chilly brook]

Its using what we know happened

[wanton condor]

the basic issue is that the holy trinity is really a holy binary where they split (don't let health hit 0) into two

[modern brook]

What we know happened was that the entire method of tanking was gutted after 2 years

[wanton condor]

so if you swing too hard in favor of tank survivability you kill the healers

[modern brook]

so saying "it didnt happen in 2 years, so it wont happen period" is short sighted

[wanton condor]

and they didn't like that for obvious reasons

[chilly brook]

Not even true with current dungeon design

So much guaranteed damage

[wanton condor]

right, that's one way to deal with it

general aoe damage/rot/archers

such that there's always spot healing

[chilly brook]

The only times you see no healers is if what's brought has strong off heals

[wanton condor]

but in general folks don't like that

[chilly brook]

Oh hey

Wait

Prot paladin 4 dps

Something we've seen

Even in BFA and beyond

And never widely accepted

[modern brook]

Talk about false equivelencies

[plush tendon]

Some would say they got buffed, not as much as everyone else, but they gave up 10% of their 40% magic damage reduction for 5% more physical damage reduction

[languid flower]

I ran a heroic dungeon the other day, healer left for some reason around the 2nd boss and I finished the dungeon. It was nice, but I overgeared the content by 40 item levels so I kinda think it's okay.

You're always going to have fringe groups try to do things that are absurd just because they're fun

like 10 bears clearing CN

or 5 boomkins doing +15s

[chilly brook]

This

[languid flower]

but the problems arise when this becomes more effective than standard play

when tanks have trouble getting groups because your DPS DKs are strong enough to tank in their place

or when good tanks eliminate the need for healers

[mild ruin]

Been trying to do a 4 dps 1 prot pala 15 for a while, think next week we’ll smash it tbh

[languid flower]

or when mobbing up the entire dungeon in one pull is the optimal strategy, so you pick your dps based exclusively on their AoE ability

some classes/specs were designed to excel single target

but if that's just not happening, they're being screwed

from a design perspective, the last thing you want to do is make your players feel screwed like that.

[grand drum]

4 dps 1 prot pala might work if 1 of the dps is a feral druid using the elder leggo

[languid flower]

I really REALLY like the ability heart of the wild for druids. On a 5 minute cooldown, you basically can change your spec for 30 seconds. Want to be a spot-tank or a spot-healer but you're a moonkin or a kitty cat? push this button and bam! there ya go!
Can you use this in a pinch when the healer goes down? absolutely! can you use this to fully replace the healer? yes, but only if you're willing to wait 5 minutes between every pull. The design is balanced (even if some of the numbers might not be)

[wanton condor]

counterpoint, legion rocked

but yes, it's definitely an issue with the design

I'm not sure blizz has a great idea of how they want the m+ meta to look

and they're dealing with the fact that the folk meta most players end up in doesn't really resemble what's optimal for their play level

[languid flower]

Wrath suffered from a similar problem, but wrath also rocked.

hrmm, maybe we're on to something!

[uneven mason]

Blizzard shouldn't be in charge of shaping the m+ Meta

at the same time, when something sticks out like a 3rd eyeball

like say, VDH being capable of dealing so much damage in short windows with long range on high aggro abilities

they should step in and curb that

[plush tendon]

Its also doesnt really help that our game knowledge and access to new strats/meta is so much greater then ever before. Makes it really hard for blizzard to find some balance in M+ when we are all looking for the same thing "how close to death can we get but do the most damage?"

[uneven mason]

they also should have finished target capping

or not started at all

either all or nothing

[wanton condor]

they're the designers, they need to have some idea if they're going to make changes

[plush tendon]

agreed, failed experiment blizz

[wanton condor]

if they're not in charge then we can't blame them for any of the issues is the problem

and they can't fix them

[uneven mason]

Blizzard should be the ones shaping the mainstream gameplay, meta is as far from mainstream as Alaska is from Florida

[wanton condor]

I'm not sure that's really separable? The problem is that the playerbase is very monkey see monkey do

[uneven mason]

But I mean, the meta is always going to formed around whatever allows for the most obscene level of play, so no matter what blizzard does, there will always be "a meta" 0.01% players are notorious for trying to use anything to gain a 0.5% advantage

[uneven mason]

Monkey see monkey not understand, monkey ends up sniffing finger after picking bung

[wanton condor]

yet monkey continues doing so

[uneven mason]

Because the "average" player in wow is a mindless lemming sadly

[wanton condor]

also there's the problem that some specs really are better at most levels of play

[plush tendon]

thats fair, but now its so visible what those players are doing and whatever they do seeps down into the playerbase at large and players with no business or knowledge of why the meta is what it is just copy it

[wanton condor]

you really do gain a lot from a boomie!

because they're mindlessly easy to play and bring a ton of fire and forget utility

[plush tendon]

yea, but remember BFA boomie

[uneven mason]

I've seen some bad boomies

[plush tendon]

^

[uneven mason]

who can't even beat me in dps

[wanton condor]

yes, there are always morons

[uneven mason]

The thing that really gets me

[wanton condor]

but in general waiting for a decent rio boomie is never a bad choice

[uneven mason]

is people try to emulate the meta

in like, heroics

dude legit just hit 60 and is like "WTF Prot warriors are garbage"

[wanton condor]

personally I think social media should just ban anyone who complains about not getting invites instead of running their own key

[uneven mason]

(yes I run heroics for the bag)

then again, now that we've seen gear catch up with content, warriors are creeping up the raider.io

[wanton condor]

oh, was gonna say, there's definitely an issue with aotc guilds going too hard into the meta

[light thicket]

Ppl are kicking players from heroic just for being noobs

[wanton condor]

couldn't get my old aotc RL to recruit a goddamn mage, any mage, because they had to be a fire mage

[light thicket]

Its been shit for a while

[uneven mason]

Literally got told by my ex GM that we couldn't run dual prot because prot isn't as good as VDH so we needed at least 1 VDH

so I was fury

well...arms

[plush tendon]

KEK

[uneven mason]

WE WERE IN NORMAL

[light thicket]

LOL

[uneven mason]

when she said that

[light thicket]

Imagine giving 2 fucks aboout meta in normal

[wanton condor]

caring about tanks
literally the only times to give a fuck is to sneak in raid buffs or wf1 racing

[plush tendon]

I honestly cant imagine a world where I dont get or get close to AoTC in the first week

with shit gear, alts, and people generally trolling around with no idea whats going on

[uneven mason]

Yeah I was pretty frustraited

[plush tendon]

I can understand asking people to swap for certain bosses

[uneven mason]

was told the guild would be doing CE

[plush tendon]

like I went on my DK for Huntsmans cause we only had one for grips

[uneven mason]

pushed to get over 195ilvl first few weeks, "oh we're doing normal"

notice the rest of the guild is at 178

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[modern brook]

logrimace

[chilly brook]

I just skinned a bullfango

[light thicket]

...

Security!

[plush tendon]

gotta find a guild with a pamphlet

[chilly brook]

I'm playing monster hunter

👀

[modern brook]

ha

imagine playing monster hunter

nerd

[wanton condor]

you get to HR ziggy and narga yet? They're on enough uppers to kill a lagiacrus

[uneven mason]

A few of us rerolled the guild after the GM scared off a dozenish raiders in 2 weeks with bad strats and DPS shaming

[modern brook]

dps shaming normal?

[wanton condor]

it's a tough choice this week: push, farm narga for the weapon, or play outriders

[uneven mason]

heroic by then

but yeah, like, sitting people after a wipe where DPS legitimately wasn't the problem

[modern brook]

honestly pog

[uneven mason]

Like expecting the bench to magically empower them to become better

[modern brook]

Rise is the like 9th game on the switch to make me want to get a switch

[chilly brook]

Rise is the first monster hunter I've actually played

👀

[modern brook]

great series tbh

[chilly brook]

Idk what I'm doing

[uneven mason]

My daughter has a switch

[wanton condor]

rise is fun! LS is even more OP than before!

[modern brook]

You're doing it dude

[uneven mason]

I guess I'll swipe it

[modern brook]

U talk to people then u punch dinosaurs and large mammals

then u wear their skins and do it again

[wanton condor]

"yes I would like to counter FUCKING EVERYTHING no I do not want to be below #1 in terms of damage done"

gonna turn that giant cat into a leopard print pillbox hat

[modern brook]

not a huge fan of the direction the game went in World and didnt play the one that came after that

[wanton condor]

like imagine if you could actually wear sludgefist as a codpiece

[modern brook]

gen3 was prime hunter years

[wanton condor]

4U was my fav

[modern brook]

3u was where men played

In my day u had to kill g rank diablos ALONE 😠

no wifi to do it for u

[wanton condor]

3U was fine too

good dual blades time

[light thicket]

Are we just gonna let this slide?

[chilly brook]

I need to learn how to combo

[modern brook]

Just press the button again 4head

[wanton condor]

unless you need to hit the other button

then hit that one

[modern brook]

^

Jokes aside though MHcombat is sick af

[wanton condor]

in general I recommend dual blades or LS for beginners, as they make the most sense coming from other games

hit button, do damage

[chilly brook]

I'm the dumbass using bow

[wanton condor]

bow is fine

get in range, do charge shots in sequence

[lusty marsh]

World definitely had a few interesting changes.

[solemn magnet]

Bagpipe is op

[lusty marsh]

Though I'll never complain about infinite whetstone or bbq not taking a item slot

[signal plover]

Da fuq is goin on in here

Actually nvrm this is better than the trinity discussion

[lusty marsh]

A mh pallet cleanser.

Palate even

[modern brook]

GS or bust

[wanton condor]

GS is hard

too big brain

[modern brook]

WHAT

its the most unga weapon

Just hit them with the BIG SWORD

[wanton condor]

have to actually time and know patterns to do damage

[modern brook]

SMH @chilly brook how do you not have patterns memorized by now 😠

[wanton condor]

meanwhile LS is hit button, monster going to hit you? Hit other button, get big counter damage

[modern brook]

games been out for 20 years

[lusty marsh]

Ls is the most unga

[wanton condor]

you have 4 different ways of blowing through attacks

[modern brook]

All these Zoomers lecturing me on LS Vs GS like they werent the same weapon 😠

🧓 🤜 ☁️

[wanton condor]

back in my day, when you attacked with the right stick...

[modern brook]

Rathalos is a final boss 😠

[astral crystal]

hammer chads

[raw gyro]

What makes vulp bis for warriors?

[lusty marsh]

We're all secretly furries

[modern brook]

nose for trouble is awkwardly very efficient in Keys

"awkwardly" because no one will admit it until they see it on the bars

[uneven mason]

initial damage reduction

[teal mulch]

is there a good talent set up to help move mobs out of sanguine this week or do I just l2kite better?

[grizzled nova]

being aware of which mobs move and which tend not to.

and whether you need to move mobs away from something dying or move something dying away from mobs

[wanton condor]

menace is the only one that can really help

but if you think you'll need it idk

[grizzled nova]

the general answer is to just start mobs moving before something dies

[stable kernel]

orc is bis for warr do big dam EZ

[teal mulch]

I think crackling thunder is too good to pass up. i just used to brewmaster and ring of peace.

kk I can do that, thanks for the help

[grizzled nova]

and accept that sometimes things are just gonna spam cast in sanguine

because fuck you

[solemn magnet]

Vulp also gives a 40yard ranged attack

[teal mulch]

'because fuck you' seems to be the prot mantra

[stable kernel]

But Vulp also makes u a vulp

[solemn magnet]

Yeah :(

Setting camp owns too

[sharp canopy]

Initial dmg reduction on an already guaranteed blocked attack with Reprisal? There is no way furry is best because of that tiny mitigation

[teal mulch]

if I'm going to play a furry, its going to be a tauren.

[stable kernel]

taurens are badass

[modern brook]

see what'd i say?

No one will admit it until they see it

[stable kernel]

as prot they look dope

[solemn magnet]

Nose for trouble mitigates 10% of my overall dungeon dmg

[modern brook]

its actually an insane amount of mitgation

for a racial

[teal mulch]

for real yangbb?

[solemn magnet]

For real

[teal mulch]

jesus christ

[sharp canopy]

Put some logs up to confirm it?

[stable kernel]

vulp racial is good but i’d rather be orc for mog and personal taste

[wanton condor]

my problem is that tauren and vulps kind of suck for mogs

hence I orc

[modern brook]

#protection message @sharp canopy

[teal mulch]

Tauren mogs can be good, but you're limited and have to hunt for pieces that fit well

[grizzled nova]

It's 5% of your max life, so it's mitigating ~3k damage off the first swing from every mob you touch.

[modern brook]

best mog for tauren is bear form if we're being honest

[wanton condor]

harsh but not wrong

[teal mulch]

I got a slick set up on my monk. my DK and shaman though look very meh

[wanton condor]

I wish they'd do racial specific druid forms like KT and ZT got >.>

[modern brook]

they uhhh

do

[wanton condor]

they have minor tweaks on a base model

bear with gout, bear with antlers

[modern brook]

they look nothing alike

and thats old models

because my google is lazy

[ionic fern]

I liked the old modelks. 😦

[signal plover]

Minor tweaks me lad

[wanton condor]

HM/Tauren/Troll/Worgen are all basically the same thing with different colors

[modern brook]

the tauren one looks like a mouth breather dude

[ionic fern]

Still stand by my statement. 😦

[grizzled nova]

I live the hardest mechagnome mog life I can.

[wanton condor]

all the bears are similar other than the two new ones, same with moonies

[grizzled nova]

It's always cool when you unlock a new boot appearance and you wanna check what it looks like

or gloves

[uneven mason]

Tauren/Troll life since vanilla, deal with it

[modern brook]

aight bears and moonies fine

I still say only worgen lacks; but the bear models are def the same w/ frills

but if ur making a worgen druid you have other problems

[plush tendon]

Gotta go highmountain

[wanton condor]

worgen should just get big wolf, smaller wolf, wolf with fake beak strapped on, wolf holding tree branch in front of face

[plush tendon]

Moose OP

[wanton condor]

moose is best

that's what my ele is

the racial is great for prot too, seriously considered it for that

[solemn magnet]

This was from a awhile ago, so pre-reprisal. It was 8% reduction

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XdjGLr89QZw4v3Dc#fight=71&type=summary&source=100

[grizzled nova]

half robot gnome man easily best

[solemn magnet]

I'll get a vulp log this week with reprisal. I switched to belf after the log I posted till last week

Or just look at one of plkas

[modern brook]

what hte fuck am i looking at

[plush tendon]

yea, theres no doubt Vulpera nose for trouble adds up quick, but how much of that is actually useful healing

[chilly brook]

No.......

[solemn magnet]

All of it?

[signal plover]

Delete this

[modern brook]

all of it

[plush tendon]

I dont know, I feel like its a lot of pad

[modern brook]

it literally cant overheal

[solemn magnet]

It can't pad

[plush tendon]

nothing a SB and some healer hots wont just heal up naturally on pull

[solemn magnet]

You could say that about anything

[grizzled nova]

Which isn't an argument against.

[signal plover]

It is tho

[plush tendon]

granted, Im always pro play the race you like 🙂

[solemn magnet]

I don't need to press my buttons if the healer heals good

[patent osprey]

Nose For Trouble helps establish early grouping of mobs without it, you take alot more dam. It's insane and none of it is pad

[grizzled nova]

I mean the only operative question is whether nose is buying your healer GCDs they otherwise would've had to use on you.

[solemn magnet]

It smooths out big pulls

[sharp canopy]

Thanks, that's all I needed

[solemn magnet]

Everyone gonna get nose for trouble with today's patch. Smile

[plush tendon]

UwU

[patent osprey]

yes everytime. If you are doing big pulls u don't want ur healer healing you at all because they will get healer threat

[plush tendon]

yea, imagine your healer healing you XD

[grizzled nova]

While I understand that it mathematically cannot pad, that doesn't mean a thing can't functionally pad, in the sense that if it ceased to exist would it force a healer to play differently.

[modern brook]

bro

Just dont play Vulpera

ITs ok

[strong forum]

just play vulpera

[grizzled nova]

I don't play horde at all, I'm just lensing the topic.

[modern brook]

i mean the right choice

[uneven mason]

But who would we play with

[signal plover]

You're kinda just piling up smart sounding silly statements

[patent osprey]

u can play whatever you want. But it doesn't diminish the strength of vulpera

[plush tendon]

I already went NF.... I dont think im ready to go Vulpera yet

its too soon

[wanton condor]

vulpera is just too small for me to melee with

[uneven mason]

can Vulpera be monks?

[patent osprey]

just play another race cause u want to :) don't have to justify why not vulpera haha

[wanton condor]

I don't want to play a blue square icon

[modern brook]

they can

[wanton condor]

I like my vulp caster though

[modern brook]

Mine is :^)

[solemn magnet]

I tried NF and didn't like it, but I'm vulpera. Can't have it all

[patent osprey]

yes pikabrew is

[uneven mason]

THats what I"m rolling then

[grizzled nova]

I already play an nf mech prot warrior, I'm as hipster as you could possibly get.

[plush tendon]

^ delete that

there are no wrong choices... except that

[patent osprey]

if ur ally and ur not dwarf, ur WRONG

[modern brook]

imagine making 2 wrong choices on character select 😬

[sand condor]

this

is so true

[cosmic oasis]

fuck dwarfs they look shit in 90% of mogs dude

[sand condor]

i upgraded my ui today

[plush tendon]

I would be female Nelf cause... you know 🙂

[sand condor]

and it feels so smooth

[modern brook]

for the culture

[sand condor]

and pretty

[plush tendon]

yea, culture

[solemn magnet]

Thicc step moms make good tanks

[grizzled nova]

I've considered swapping dark iron

but that's somehow less hipster than mechagnome which makes your coolness ilevel go down

[plush tendon]

My issue with Dwarves is the same I have with Orc and other more 'monster' like models... they look awkward on mounts

Im also a basic bitch and prefer to use a horse

or my bear

me like bears

[wanton condor]

really? I find orcs tend to have less split leg issues on some mounts than the skinny races

[grizzled nova]

dark iron heritage set is top tier, though

[plush tendon]

its their shoulders

they just look so top heavy

[solemn magnet]

I'd love to play alliance, but my friends are too edgy for that.

[wanton condor]

the floating shoulders suck

[patent osprey]

Dark Iron is still WRONG :)

[wanton condor]

the mogs I like turn them off if they don't have good molding

[patent osprey]

Only OG Dwarf

[sand condor]

wiat

what

no

[plush tendon]

what about female gnome with cute pig tails 🙂

[sand condor]

fight me pika

[uneven mason]

if I Could be dwarf on horde side

[signal plover]

Dark iron should be horde, HMT should be alliance...change my mind.

[sand condor]

i may have just copied your ui

[patent osprey]

STONEFORM

[sand condor]

but i will still fight you

FIREBLOOD

[uneven mason]

All races can have pigtails afaik

[solemn magnet]

I'd be okay with this

[uneven mason]

I mean, ALliance are the ones who are all lovey with the void/old gods

so

DID makes more sense there

HMT have honor as well

[plush tendon]

naw, they can take the nightbourne

[uneven mason]

so

[patent osprey]

u know what

[plush tendon]

couldnt even give us a good Nelf remodel -_-

[solemn magnet]

If I could customize the appearance of my pvp merc human, I'd settle

[uneven mason]

yeah Nightbourne on the alliance makes more sense except oh wait - the druid bois are all lower class citizens, so they're too snobbish

[patent osprey]

u just read dark iron dwarf racials and ur right @sand condor Dark Iron or OG Down!

[modern brook]

TBH if horde was just orc troll Belf, and alliance took everything else

[sand condor]

hell yeah brother

[modern brook]

theres be like ~5% population shift

[sand condor]

look how fucking awesome their racials sound

[uneven mason]

TBH if Horde was just ORc

[solemn magnet]

Look how awesome nose for trouble is

[sand condor]

also

thx for the ui pika

[modern brook]

Puika

[uneven mason]

its a l

not an i

[plush tendon]

except then you are playing with the alliance debuff

[uneven mason]

english is hard

[patent osprey]

mole machine looks lit

I may have to go ally

[sand condor]

ive

[modern brook]

sorry Lkarikaze

[sand condor]

never used mole machine ..

[wanton condor]

give murloc allied race bliz

third DH race

[mystic warren]

anyone know of a good WA that tracks the intervals between ancient aftershock's knockdown? To help figure out whether I have to interrupt/reflect casts or trust on the knockdown to do it for me

[patent osprey]

would murloc be horde or ally

[uneven mason]

had a warrior in a guild called Iilac

[sand condor]

neither

[wanton condor]

mercenary

[uneven mason]

fuck that name

[sand condor]

they would eb their own faction

the chaos faction

[wanton condor]

access to all classes

[sand condor]

even demonhunter

[wanton condor]

but can't use in game chat

[sand condor]

all your typing turns to "mrgmrgrlgrllrlrgglrlglr"

[wanton condor]

they is an in canon DH murloc

so entirely reasonable

[chilly brook]

I have a feeling it would be ally

[plush tendon]

There is no way murlocs are joining either faction

you know how many murlocs we have killed on both sides XD

[sick sentinel]

most likely both like pandaren

then

[wanton condor]

murloc shouldn't be faction bound, you can just group with anyone

that's how they'll enable you to play with alliance or horde friends

make a murloc

[sick sentinel]

but needs to be exclusive, hard to unlock

[plush tendon]

and also need OP racials

[sick sentinel]

yes

but waterspeed already has kul tiran

[uneven mason]

most likely less than murlocs have killed of level 1 humans

[solemn magnet]

Murloc race will be locked to a blizzcon virtual ticket

[uneven mason]

nah

150$ Elite expansion version

"Cross faction PVE Game Service now available, only $299.99 on the blizzard store"

"Allows you to flag ONE character on either faction to be able to mingle with both!"

[chilly brook]

👀

[uneven mason]

I mean, if my wife wouldn't murder me with my mousecord

I'd be up for paying 300$ to have my original warrior (who is currently a DiD) able to raid hordeside

not that hard to get tokens

[chilly brook]

Whale

Did you really level a warrior to play horde?

[plush tendon]

you know, i might level a vulpera warrior

dont know if im ready to commit my current max level and geared warrior to the cause

[chilly brook]

I cant do vulpera

I played it for 2 weeks

Panda is the play

[plush tendon]

Im currently blood elf

actually, all my toons are blood elves

[modern brook]

LOL

bro

[plush tendon]

im basic AF

[modern brook]

Just name it like fido or something

so when ppl call u furry u can be like

ACTUALLY ITS NAMED AFTER MY DEAD DOG

and they have to apologize

bam stigma gone

best race unlocked

[plush tendon]

[modern brook]

blood elf warrior smh

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-trees-falling-cute-cute-panda-gif-15463149

[strong forum]

When wake up morning and go to work

💯 😆 🤣 🤣

[plush tendon]

cant be male panda though they too fat

gotta be female, at least they are fit

[uneven mason]

IDK what your definition of fit is

but they thicc

not fit

[strong forum]

Ya dat ain't fit

[plush tendon]

I mean, they thiccc, but they arent like 'dad whos lost all self respect 40 years ago' thiccc

so in panda terms, they fit

[sand condor]

man

am i retarded

[grizzled nova]

yes

[sand condor]

or is prot warrior

really

:(

good this week

[sand condor]

[strong forum]

Why shouldn't it

It's pwar

10% multiplicative defensive buff + 0 affixes

[uneven mason]

They're like "We felt tanks were a bit squishy"
Meanwhile I'm like wheres the damage buff?

give prot warriors paladin level damage

+30 keys here we come

[strong forum]

Tbf

Tanks are squishy

This is a perfectly reasonable buff

[uneven mason]

I agree

damage is overtuned

well

nah

Damage is fine, our buttons don't do enough impactful stuff for us not needing to be 1000% reliant on our healers and DPS competency

in higher keys

[grizzled nova]

Well in higher keys that's an unavoidable problem

Either it starts happening at 23 or 33, but it's gonna start happening somewhere

[uneven mason]

Jimmy Rogue can't find his kick? Well guess we're going to die to embrace buffed caster packs in DOS

[grizzled nova]

The other situation is just that you don't have enough damage to time it, which is phenomenally more boring.

[uneven mason]

But how you should be able to cap keys

I mena

with VDH that is the issue they're running into

because of how VDH works

"not tanking tank"

[grizzled nova]

yeah I mean if DPS and incoming damage scaled perfectly with each other and ilevel, the game would be boring nonsense in that it wouldn't change from +2 to +22.

[uneven mason]

???

I mean, you still have variance in comp

[grizzled nova]

You'd just get better gear and keep doing the same thing you were already doing but with bigger numbers

[uneven mason]

Same thing, each tier, bigger numbers.

[grizzled nova]

But the game would fundamentally be the same, nothing would change, challenge wouldn't shift anywhere.

[uneven mason]

Legit sounds like whats happening already

they make chances to class balance and comps, are the only differences.

[grizzled nova]

The fact that incoming damage scales faster than healing can deal with it, requiring shifts in strategy is the only thing that makes scaling keys interesting.

[sand condor]

maybe this nerf

will kick dhs down a notch

maybe...mdi prot warrior!?

[strong forum]

It's not a nerf to vdh

[grizzled nova]

Requiring more and more immaculate play to meet tighter and tighter survivability checks is the interesting difficulty part.

[strong forum]

It's still a buff

They just get buffed less

Because of the bug fix

[ocean finch]

Hey, what would you guys say is the best item to put reprisal on? Legs or feet for a fresh toon?

[uneven mason]

legs

has biggest budget

[ocean finch]

reason some people have feet is cause SLG drops legs?

[patent osprey]

Yep 🙂

Cause SLG has 233 legs

[ocean finch]

Aight! Not gonna do SLG Mythic on this toon, so legs will be crafted! ty 🙂

[stray gazelle]

Even with that nerf not sure if warrior are strong enough yet for mdi but we can hope

[vestal moat]

cant go wrong with legs. even if you get slg legs you can still upgrade reprisal legs next tier where it will likely be best again

[patent osprey]

Without AOE Silence + Mass Grip hard to see DH getting overtaken if they still pump the dam

[uneven mason]

VDH would need to have its damage reduced to compensate for its utility, still it supports the meta primary damage dealer

So I'd go out on a limb and say that VDH will remain at the front of MDI unless they cap fire mages AE, and nerf vdh primary legendaries

and or reduce sigil range to melee range

[brave jetty]

how do folks like Sanguine Vintage?

[uneven mason]

its yummy

tastes like raspberry

[tight dock]

not gonna be that esy
@uneven mason

[vestal moat]

I am using 233 sanguine over a 220 scale. I do miss the instant threat of a scale but the fact that you can use vintage so much more often is better imho. Especially with the new tank buffs. It becomes one more quick on use oh shit that just buys you time to kite or get topped, so you don't really need the extra shield the scale gives.

[hot oxide]

holy egads, i just killed volrath in ashrans

[exotic arch]

thats funny i joined this discord to ask that exact question. I do need help with trinkets tho, I have a 220 sanguine vintage, 226 scale, 207 heraldry and a 213 glut spike. Any suggestions on what I should wear? Trying the vintage+heraldry

[vestal moat]

It's nice to have them all. Just switch based on the content. For example i would do the spike and stone legion for low content no matter what.

For most raid sanguine vintage is superior to scale in my opinion particularly single target where you can not max use of the scale and even if you do it may not be needed.

for keys it's a much closer question.

[oblique radish]

Should i get Legendary legs or feet? Im realistic and I won't find a guild to do Mythic SLG with to get the 233 legs. IF that's the case, what would you choose?

[grizzled nova]

Sounds like you already know the answer.

[vestal moat]

The answer is legs in all situations as long as you think you'll continue to play the game in 9.1.

Then if you have absolutely nothing to spend soul ash on AND you have access to mythic SLG AND you want to min max RIGHT NOW, recraft them on to feet.

[oblique radish]

Got it.

Thanks a bunch.

[uneven mason]

If has SLG on farm > Boots > else > legs

[unreal scarab]

well so far so good... NF feels goodish to play

aftershock adds nice dps and i don t even have soulbinds

[jaunty vector]

Did the prot change go through :o?

[inland raft]

Worth upgrading mists shield with valor or hold out for the one from top?

[ocean finch]

To get the Reprisal recipe, how many tries did you guys need to do on Torghast?

Done it 8 times now, nothing still

[ionic nimbus]

Its 100%

[ocean finch]

am i doing something wrong then? doing it layer 3 this last 7 times

[lofty widget]

100 % if you did the pre-requisits and make sure its the right wing youre doing

[ocean finch]

1 time I did on layer 8

what pre-requisits?

[lofty widget]

like the torghast intro quests

[ocean finch]

the ones where you get bain and the others home?

[plain root]

What legendaries do you guys run for M+?

[lofty widget]

reprisal

[ocean finch]

Cause Im running upper Reaches atm

which should be the correct one

[plain root]

I ran with a guy using the Bladestorm procs off avatar the other day in a 15

[torn garden]

Sounds like a dps player decided to tank a dungeon

[plain root]

Fair hah, he did like 3.8k and didnt die.. soooo

[torn garden]

Sounds like it went well

Signet is not common for tanking m+ afaik

[plain root]

Sounds good, thanks

[hot oxide]

how are affixes this week

decent or bad?

[inland raft]

Good if you in a grouo with comms

[plain root]

sang quaking should be an easy week

[inland raft]

Really easy week if not brain dead

But can become a nighymare if say boomie trees randomly etc

[blazing condor]

its still easy in terms of difficulty

if you get unlucky and sang heals a lot you just lose time which is an annoyance ofc

but the affixes dont add difficulty to the pulls really

[inland raft]

Hows the 10% buff feeling i just been doing covenant stuff cuz swapped to kyrian this morning

[noble nacelle]

My friend is my pocket shaman healer. We ran a 15 spires and 16 top this morning and he said he could notice the damage difference from pre buff

[dark lark]

2 quick question regarding M Huntsman (on farm): 1) Do you guys lust Barghast off the top to try and beat the second set of spawns? 2) How high have you guys gotten Hecutis' stacks for fun?

[compact bloom]

Dumb question, but stat priority is haste>vers right?

[south heath]

Pretty much

[lofty widget]

ilvl>haste>vers tho

[south heath]

Oh yeah main stats always go up top

[compact bloom]

For sure, thanks :)

[zenith barn]

ughhhhh

I need slight vault help

220 ilvl hast vers ring (i have 2 213 vers/mas and vers/crit) 216 blood spattered scale (i have 216 bladedancers armor kit and 213 trink off sunking) or upgrade my shield from 207 to 213

[sick sentinel]

Scale

[astral whale]

Trinket probably

Bladedancers is pretty underwhelming, scale + sun king is good

[sick sentinel]

You can get a decent 220 shield from 3 instances with valor

[zenith barn]

i have to actually run 15s

havnet done anything higher than a 12

[sick sentinel]

Do it as 12 and upgrade it

[zenith barn]

i can only upgrade to 213 atm

[sick sentinel]

It's a good week to get the 15s :)

The hard part is getting the 1st one on time.

[uneven mason]

yay a meathook

druid in my guild got a 226 scale

his 2nd one

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Why does scale hate warrior

[sick sentinel]

You have that feeling too ?

[frail wyvern]

I thought it was a fact

[fringe marten]

hmm...trying to set up macro for SLG for intervene/charge.

Is there a way to macro charge, unless the target has a target..then @targettarget intervene?

(without having a shift/control modifier)

[floral pewter]

/cast [@targettarget,help,exists] Intervene; Charge

should work I think?

[fringe marten]

seems right? that is basically...'cast intervene at target of target..if there's no ToT..charge"

[floral pewter]

yeah

and only if the target of target is a friendly unit

[zenith barn]

i just use

#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge

[fringe marten]

Won't that prioritize the charge though?

[zenith barn]

it does unless you mouseover someone which my frames are setup in a nice spot for me to do

[fringe marten]

I have a mouseover intervene but for this fight I want a ToT intervene; so I can react off the gargoyle and not try and mouseover a raid frame name.

Right; so that macro won't work for my purpose here.

[ocean bloom]

id just make it a seperate bind thats what i did

[fringe marten]

eh..? I just swap out the macros. I made a different one for sludge..now a diff one for SLG.

[ocean bloom]

i just have a bind for tot intervene

[fringe marten]

My 'normal' button is heroic leap if I have no target, charge if it's a hostile..and a mouseover intervene in 1 button.

The only downside to that button is that I've had to get used to flipping my character away from my target if I want to leap away.

[ocean bloom]

i replace it with normal intervene macro on anything thats not SLGG

[fringe marten]

None the less; gonna' give that first macro a shot..it looks like it should work.

[toxic prairie]

Does this week suck? Tried out two twelves to test new buffs and both times (pugs) it was absolutely miserable, like we didn’t get to first boss miserable

[kindred pewter]

Just don’t stand in sanguine

This week is free bro

[last mason]

Push weeks always bring out the most brain dead players

And sanguine depths is so awful this week

[toxic prairie]

Yea, was totally not standing in anything. Just got reprisal so i am zoom zoom

[mighty valley]

what fucked it up? quaking is a "please pay a bit of attention" affix so sometimes pugs will struggle, but that's most weeks

also tight corridors are a struggle this week

[hot oxide]

Gonna run some mythics tonight

[unreal sequoia]

Someone talk me out of switching to NF.

[ocean bloom]

do it its perfectly fine to do so

[unreal sequoia]

I'm venthyr right now for pvp, its my only concern. I really want the ability lol

[sturdy sable]

https://c.tenor.com/mpGUzUBJifQAAAAM/do-it-star-wars.gif

[warped mulch]

Ew, no don’t go NF. Go kyrian.

Vial better than furry form and spear+ ravager is so good

[unreal sequoia]

Ok here's the real issue. I was pvping a lot, and kinda stopped. My legendaries are a 235 executioners, 190 unhinged, and 190 reprisal. I'm afraid of being useless in pvp without being venthyr. But I really want to try out other covenants.

And I'm being the prot tank for my irl friends now

[signal plover]

both kyrian and NF are useful in PVP

spear is great to combo with burst cuz it tethers players in it, AA is very solid burst

kyrian gets pot and kleia (8 sec immune to disease, poison curse and bleed), and NF gets pod memes lol

[unreal sequoia]

So is NF decent as prot, I thought some of the top players were running it

Or is it just kyrian

[inland raft]

I just swapped to kyrian from nf for group covenant diversity and id say if anything nf a tad better if wasnt for fact every dps is nf

[unreal sequoia]

None of my group is NF lol

[inland raft]

Ability yo lock down a pack for 12 seconds while doing big fam is nice

[unreal sequoia]

but we also don't have a kyrian

[inland raft]

What type of comp doesnt have a nf?

[oak condor]

What piece should i craft my Reprisal legendary on?

[inland raft]

Legs unless you have slg on farm

Even then prob still legs since dont know what next tier looks like

[oak condor]

ait thx homie

[compact bloom]

I crafted them on feet cuz I'm a broke bitch and 190 legs are still 50k on my server LOL

[unreal sequoia]

Oh just running shaman healer, and our rogue is venthyr. Our last member is a dk, and we just pug the last guy

[fallow beacon]

whats the general consensus on the value of avoidance these days?
have two pairs of boots (Haste/Mast vs Crit/Vers+Avoidance) and wondering if the avoidance out weighs having haste on the item

both 226 ofc

[chilly brook]

👀

[unique shale]

for m+ i would say cirt/versa with avoidance

[unique shale]

this week ?!

[compact bloom]

Damn you're gonna make me switch my warr to venth 😳

[chilly brook]

yea this week

wasn't venth

[unique shale]

damm

[chilly brook]

I'm back to simping for the Winter Queen baby

[compact bloom]

Same I don't have a group to play with, fuck giving randos mastery xD

[chilly brook]

Korayn go brrrrr

[unique shale]

venthyr is awesome for ST

Especially for raid

[compact bloom]

I'm tempted to switch to kyrian or venth, does the renown save if you eventually switch back?

[unique shale]

yeah

even anima

[compact bloom]

Damn that's nice

Btw what's ST I'm kinda slow

[unique shale]

single target

[compact bloom]

Ty

[unique shale]

get sinful on weapon and duel soulbind plus crystal trinket (cirt) and go brrrrrr condenm 

[shell hare]

Damn I used to think burrs go brrrr but first strike seems like the play

[unique shale]

[compact bloom]

I use first strike just for face your foes LUL

[unique shale]

i use charge to hug my enemy before fight

[compact bloom]

I'm just scared to switch to venth because it's rage I'm using not on ignore pain xD

But with reprisal I guess it's justified cuz extra 20 rage

🤔

[unique shale]

rage issue ?

rage issue coming mostly from gameplay

and it would be more annoying with low haste

[compact bloom]

Yea, I'm still learning a bit, im getting better, and reprisal helps a lot, im not nearly as rage starved as I was using shield wall lego

[unique shale]

wall is best with high haste cause you proc a lot of SS

[uneven mason]

I mean, TW has insanely high RPS gain too

but you get those free revenges with reprisal

and free SB

[unique shale]

RPS lose its value if you don’t keep charging in and back and charge on ally

[muted wedge]

best served cold vs booming voice for m+? with reprisal

[unique shale]

BSC

[chilly brook]

Burrs is the big play in raid

[proven pier]

Hi everyone, do you have any link with the dungeon's BIS for warrior tank ?

[chilly brook]

Maybe even tyranical

[unique shale]

bis items?

[proven pier]

Bis stuff 🙂

But only with dungeons

[unique shale]

wowhead

gear

[proven pier]

oh theres only with dungeons ?

[unique shale]

both raid and dung

target for haste and versa

if you can

[proven pier]

no crit ?

[unique shale]

cirt work too for m+

[proven pier]

i'm going only for M+ tho

[unique shale]

if you cannot get those stats just go for ilvl