Did the 10% buff come with 9.0.5 or is it 9.1?
#protection
solar crown
strong forum
Today/tomorrow
amber herald
comes with the reset
pallid cradle
Btw #449510248579858432 is also for prot right?
solar crown
Oh, ok. That explains it for me. Gonna be fun to see
pallid cradle
I ask cause i did 2 bosses only as prot and want to see my mistakes over
signal plover
TIL Nom is from the south
signal plover
Which pwarr are u?
pallid cradle
Korateral
Sry forgot i was playing with my friend who is also gearing up a warr haha
And im only on shriek and sludge
signal plover
Sludge is pretty good for log feedback tbh.
Your blocked hits are at 77% (consistent for melees and giant fists) which isn't terrible, but could also be much higher on this fight. Sludge is a great example of a fight where you can time shield block around his abilities to get more effective uptime (not wasting 3-4 secs of block when he does a chain slam for example)
You also only cast SW once which makes me think you're using it as an oh shit button rather than a rotational mitigation.
Since you're running AM, you wanna use SW at some point early in the fight when youre not covered by block.
Reprisal can give you 100% blocked hits on sludge but you have to use intervene to do that (I'll let someone who runs it comment on it cuz I've always preferred wall for the fight). You did charge a bunch which is good tho.
You could also probably afford to cast fewer IPs and more revenges to get your damage up a bit.
But I'm on mobile and those kinds of details are a pain to check.
pallid cradle
Didnt charge as much as i would like to cause my friend is also low and was scared of giants fists
And tried to intervene on cd
signal plover
Block is very strong against fists tbh
pallid cradle
Yup ty btw ^^
signal plover
Meaning, taking both melee and fists
But kinda depends on shield ilvl
I checked for the most frequent mistakes and didn't see too many but SB coverage could definitely be better.
Mobile logs kinda suk
pallid cradle
Yeah im trying to get better at sb management
For example on m+ im really fucking low on uptime
With only a 60 or so
70*
signal plover
East of wall da
signal plover
fringe marten
SB in raid fights, as far as being really efficient means you need to know the mob behavior and know when you can choose 'not' to block due to the mob casting/phasing..etc. in M+ you basically are just trying to have SB up at all times, while it's up you can probably face tank..when it's down you can't be. When keys get really high you can't even fully tank when 'just' shield block is up sometimes; things get very niche at higher keys..like what team comp you have determines what you can do, when you can pull big..what kinda' burst you have..etc.
pallid cradle
That's a prob csnt really relly on pugs haha
fringe marten
...?
fringe marten
Oh; you don't CC..you kite. And that is exactly why I'm not pushing my IO score aggressively any more.
fringe marten
Basically wherever Stand N' Bang ends...my pushing ends. I could kite and get teams that are conducive to it..and go for more score; but why? I'm just not that competitive of a player other than knowing I'm doing things 'right' and playing well...pushing up more IO score lost luster real quick for me in shadowlands.
fringe marten
16'ish 17'ish or so...Stand N' Bang ends on a fortified week (which is any push week)
signal plover
Not even our beeg dps pushers wanna go this season
pallid cradle
I just have 1 15 timed as tank rn and did it few weeks ago with 190 ilvl tbh
fringe marten
Yeah it's just dumb...it's not super 'hard' to go into higher teens; it becomes challenging to time 20 this season based on the route and having enough DPS..but going into upper teens isn't tough at all if you're willing to have a team that allows you to kite a bit, and then DO that.
void stump
How are people finding reprisal? I hate it 😦 But its BiS so I have to use it 
fringe marten
Mackie you mean do people like it? or HOW do you get it?
void stump
Do people like it
fringe marten
I wouldn't say it's "BiS' giving it that moniker gives it a "must use at all times" vibe.
The top M+ prot warrior does not like it..and went back to using the wall.
void stump
Im picking up a 235 Wall asap tbh...
fringe marten
And I know exactly why; running in some 17's last week and the week reprisal came out..I was like "ugh..meh"
pallid cradle
But maybe its cause its tyranical? idk
void stump
I feel like the extra brain needed to constantly charge - intervene could be better used elsewhere
signal plover
Tbh I like it for the 4ish or so keys I do per week. A little more active than wall and running AM and BSC is a bit more rewarding dmg wise. But less value there on tyr weeks imo
fringe marten
There's some bosses where 'using' the extra block on reprisal is not super easy.
signal plover
I also think ppl greatly over complicate reprisal useage. Intervene is just use on CD and then charge is on pull (and mid pull if running double time)
As long as u track their CDs it's barely any additional brain
fringe marten
Right; and that's why people keep saying 'omg it's the best..gotta' use' because they aren't pushing keys so challenging that just having a bit more block uptime is good enough. You get to a point where you have to kite..no matter what; weather block is up or not. And when that happens reprisal loses it's luster. (that's for a very small % of players though)
void stump
I only do M+ 15-17s with no plan of pushing any higher
signal plover
It is also useful in raid tho.
fringe marten
I do, made weak auras for them the day I started using it. It's not about 'it's not that much more bother to track' it's that it is ..ANYTHING... more to bother with.
signal plover
Like M SLG prog it feels pretty good for me
pallid cradle
Yeah bosses like sludge where u can stop most of its giants fists
Is kinda huge
imo
signal plover
Well sludge is not the best example cuz u can be just as effective with bolster and wall
uneven mason
big brain running Menace to knockback so you can charge mid combat easier
signal plover
U just use SW and LS more
fringe marten
So for me to now watch intervene; have a focus target for it..or use a raid frame or player model.. to hover over.. then try and squeeze in extra charges to casters at range, or a shockwave/run charge..or leap/charge..or any of that. I NEVER did that before to supplement missing block time.
pallid cradle
I dont know im new to prot but i find it good
uneven mason
issue with charging casters is a lot of the time you expose your back to the melee mobs you're tanking
pallid cradle
So for me to now watch intervene; have a focus target for it..or use a raid fram...
that will stop being a thing when haste is high enough i guess
uneven mason
negating your block anyway
fringe marten
Before it was...charge in..do standard opener..do interrupts/whatever as needed..if I needed last stand block..pop that.. and just keep smashin'. And if need be..when EVERYTHING is down..kite. None of that extra BS.
signal plover
And imo just comes down to preference similarly to how TL vs Wall in keys did
fringe marten
Ese no.
uneven mason
TL was 🤮 tho
void stump
So for me to now watch intervene; have a focus target for it..or use a raid fram...
Pretty much this tbh
uneven mason
really bad after they nerfed it
fringe marten
We're never getting haste to a point where the CD on block will be SO low that we can cover it's OWN downtime...that won't happen.
signal plover
Reprisal is good in keys because you can do more damage on situations where you're face tanking.
naive panther
Tl wasn’t worth making
pallid cradle
Obv it wont be a 100% uptime
void stump
Maybe I just need to make my ui better for using reprisal...
pallid cradle
But itll be lower and we wont need that much the leg
signal plover
I only used TL until raid came out and then never upgraded again, but others used it for a lot longer
void stump
I have a intervene friendly macro and i monitor charge and intervene CDs
wanton condor
issue with charging casters is a lot of the time you expose your back to the mel...
what I've taken to doing here is with crackling thunder you can slightly disengage and then charge kind of at an angle
uneven mason
yeah
wanton condor
so they don't get to hit you while you charge hopefully
fringe marten
I dig reprisal, I do run it...just used it in a 16 theater of pain. But I just miss the ease/stability of having bolster and just only worrying about that one thing on top of shield block management. was just cleaner/easier..and STILL good.
wanton condor
not that much this week because bounding stride is a safety blanket
but for this reset likely
uneven mason
I learned the hard way on huntsman that intervene can kill you
tame jasper
@ US-players Whats this (for us upcoming) ids m+ affixes?
uneven mason
if your target isn't where you think it is
signal plover
If bolster and AM were split up again, I'd agree. Til then reprisal is gud times for damaj
fringe marten
Also..for 1 key, on day 1 of reprisal..I had the 6 second block timer. When they smacked it with the 4 sec timer..it was a much stronger nerf than I thought it would be.
uneven mason
Fort Sang Quake
signal plover
I guess I could just meme seismic too tho
astral whale
@ US-players Whats this (for us upcoming) ids m+ affixes?
fort sanguine quaking
wanton condor
yeah, on raid I mouseover melee generally
uneven mason
EZ week
glacial ivy
Servers still off?
astral whale
servers havent even gone down yet
tame jasper
sanguine were this blood pools right?
glacial ivy
Rip
astral whale
yeah
fringe marten
I've done a 15 with seismic..and watched pika run thorugh a 17 mists with seismic...it's honestly so much fun.
You mad pump; but you feel rage starved big time. (at least I do)
signal plover
That's kinda the point tho
fringe marten
I guess it's because I am actively TRYING to dump rage as hard as I can into revenge..instead of using it as 'damage as needed'
signal plover
Mongo dump
languid flower
I think seismic is superior, imo, but with reprisal I run double time.
fringe marten
Much of the time if I carry a guildies twink in a lower key, like a 12 or some crap..I'm top damage for the zone since I run seismic in those too.
uneven mason
doing +2s with seismic is barrel of monkies level fun
wanton condor
yeah, if I'm doing carries seismic is often beating the DPS
uneven mason
the uninitiated just see monster prot demolishing everything
fringe marten
the lower geared players or weaker players who are just 'trying' 12's for their first time..think I'm doing godlike prot warrior damage; they just don't know they are doing awful damage..and I'm using a half assed meme legendary LOL.
uneven mason
get em young, its how you change community perspective.
fringe marten
Basically...it's BFA again~
Also finally been able to run some proper keys with my 220 scale. Good lord that thing is dummy.
signal plover
Not quite 8.3
fringe marten
48k+ shield when you hit 5 targets..like..what IS that?
fringe marten
LOL right! But it so SHITS on other defensive trinkets SO hard. like..ANYTHING else considered a 'defensive' trinket isn't even CLOSE except the one from the 'final' raid boss of the tier.
signal plover
Work with whatcha got
strong forum
Was a fucking 400k+ shield on a 1min CD
fringe marten
Yeah nzoth was a better Denny trinket.
signal plover
Wasn't it also boosted by our giga vers?
strong forum
Well every shield is 
pallid cradle
I remember a friend using it the first month of shadowlands cause he didnt have scale
pallid cradle
That trinket was kek
fringe marten
How much stronger was nzoth trinket...comparatively, than denathrius trinket?
signal plover
Right I'm just saying those that did
fringe marten
Like; how much of your HP bar was nzoth trinket?
strong forum
2-3x Dadugan
fringe marten
I had it..I just don't remember at this point honestly.
signal plover
Was v powerful
strong forum
It was 280k base
But that being 80% absorb
So technically a 320k shield
When you had ~700k hp with buffs iirc
fringe marten
Right; but what was our HP then? I know it was last expac but at this point that was ...whatever amount of time I had kinda' quit the game after I was done with the end of BFA..then 7? months ago
fringe marten
Yeah I know it was approaching a mil
and would crack a mil if you swapped up your neck essences
to use the high HP one
strong forum
Cuz dhs had 980k-ish
tame jasper
lol I imagine classic back then when 10k was a high number 😄
fringe marten
and use uhh? indomitable..but we didn't 'want' indom then. But I know I could crack a mil HP if I swapped up talents/essences etc..just to do it.
strong forum
Yeah but that's irrelevant
fringe marten
But our REAL tanking HP was like ~800k
strong forum
Ye 850/860ish
fringe marten
So...40% of your HP bar?
fringe marten
So right now, I have 67.8k hp with no armor kit on my chest, and no priest HP buff.
void stump
Heavy Repercussions + Reprisal might be OP defensively...
strong forum
Overkill
fringe marten
and my HEROIC sanguine vintage is.. 14.8k.
fringe marten
so Heroic Denathrius trinket is 25% of our HP bar
uneven mason
Heavy Repercussions + Reprisal might be OP defensively...
Why, they have negative symmetry?
strong forum
You get more defensive benefit out of AM due to more SWs
uneven mason
☝️
strong forum
SB uptime is entirely covered by reprisal and haste
fringe marten
I mean; that's still solid..if Nzoth was 40% Denny trinket is 25% (heroic) same CD. But it's not 'splitting off' any damage by absorbing 80%
uneven mason
Vintage is great indeed.
uneven mason
a health stone every 1min
fringe marten
on ONE target specifically; the vintage is solid.
strong forum
You can cover so many bullshit mechanics, especially on bosses
uneven mason
?? its a huge absorb, target size has nothing to do with it
fringe marten
(it's funny I had this discussion many weeks ago and was told the scale was better; etc etc..LOL now people have flipped)
Not saying vintage is bad; it's good
strong forum
Scale is better
uneven mason
We're not saying vintage is better
strong forum
But vintage is better qol imo
uneven mason
(I'd use both)
fringe marten
but scale, scales up to a 48k shield, and does ? non crit..like 7.5k? or 8k? on 5 targets.
uneven mason
2m CD vs 1min CD
fringe marten
So the scale literally gives you more shield, for the same cooldown duration (2x vintage vs 1 scale)
uneven mason
you can cover more mechanics with vintage
strong forum
Yes but less frequently
fringe marten
Yes, truth.
uneven mason
was Noms point
uneven mason
if mechanics happened in 2 min intervals we'd be gods
strong forum
For the smash, you can use it
fringe marten
So now it's...what are you more worried about? The nasty pack of trash..or the boss mechanics?
fringe marten
Then yeah, vintage...but then you're supporting what I said..'for one target' IE a raid boss..or a dungeon boss.
wanton condor
stitchwerks would like to know your location
strong forum
Also better to have vintage vs those
Cuz you could potentially use it twice for a mutilate :^) IMO
wanton condor
my general feeling is that it's dungeon specific which scares me more
often you can make better time with larger facetank pulls
strong forum
Ye
wanton condor
but some bosses are just scary
wanton condor
you will rip my heart out of my still beating chest
fringe marten
My normal dungeon loadout now is 220 scale, 226 glut spike.
I like the spike a lot; but for PURE healing alone (not damage prevention..which I know is the point of using either of those trinkets) I wonder which does more?
servers are down so I can't look at the parse from that dungeon; but I'd wonder if vintage healed more than mythic spike.
You can't click off the shield to get the heal insta can you?
I never though of doing that?
wanton condor
vintage gives more controllable heals no?
uneven mason
no
fringe marten
I didn't think so
uneven mason
you can't click it off
signal plover
No it's after duration
fringe marten
Oh no the point of any trinket that gives a shield is to buffer damage...either from predictable mechanics or just to eat more 'time' tanking.
But I get what you mean sigma...it is on demand so to speak.
signal plover
Usually just cover a big raid dam spike we otherwise can't
fringe marten
But the spike just gives honestly constant bit of HP regen is what it really boils down to; but a meaningful amount.
crimson ginkgo
Is there somewhere a li!st of good Addons or WA for prot warr?
uneven mason
crimson ginkgo
oo lol thx!
fringe marten
wago.io is the website people dump their weak aura suites to.
But if you haven't tanked before, more than weak auras..a good nameplate addon (and setup you like) I think is super critical.
uneven mason
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zmy8GBxHc6fdMZht#fight=16
So Fucking Mad at this.
fringe marten
I see a huntsman wipe..? I'm guessing you had a good parse until you died
uneven mason
hit phase 3 and everyone suddenly forgot mechanics were a thing and my paladin cotank was racing around with Hecutis like he was in the kentucky derby
0% wipe
uneven mason
I'm the RL and I'm yellin at him to STOP MOVING
fringe marten
Are you guys progging on it?
fringe marten
congrats!
uneven mason
tho keeping us sub 20
funny enough one of our pugs left - picked up a fury warrior to rep them (mage)
and killed him within 2 pulls
so the moral of the story is Warrior > mage
pallid cradle
gz!
languid flower
I missed timing +15 ToP last night by 1 second.
fringe marten
Dat execute
uneven mason
CLeave condemn serious pewpew
languid flower
My healer friend felt really bad because on the 2nd boss his cat jumped on the keyboard and caused a wipe.
fringe marten
Forget overall dps to the encounter...I'm curious to see a strong warriors relative dps to everyone else in that last 20% phase.
no wait..
35% right?
that's the talent most dps warriors run right?
pallid cradle
35% as dps 20% as tank
uneven mason
Remember
fringe marten
whatever dps warriors run...I think they run the 35% talent.
uneven mason
the dogs give you access to comdemn almost 100% of the time
pallid cradle
100%-80% as venthyr then 35%-0%
sweet summit
massacre
uneven mason
the boss is at 80% when the fist dog is at around 35%
sweet summit
pallid cradle
Every1 runs massacre both arms and fury
strong forum
I'm the RL and I'm yellin at him to STOP MOVING
Wait for the Lust until mages have combust for barghast, you wanna skip the 2nd adds of barghast by omega bursting him down.
Then you yourself just tank Hecutis and you can control the movement
uneven mason
and then when the 3rd dog is below 80% the boss is at 35%
fringe marten
Right; but forget huntsman.. fights where the WHOLE fight is built around "eh it's pretty easy...THEN MAD HECTIC RACE TO THE DEATH' at the end...Sludge/Inerva...etc.
uneven mason
Wait for the Lust until mages have combust for barghast, you wanna skip the 2nd ...
Tried a few pulls with the pal tanking Huntsman
Wet Cardboard
strong forum
Na, huntsman is pretty much omega free if barghast is dead
Unless your cotank dies to huntsman 
fringe marten
On those fights; I'd be curious to see warriors dps relative to everyone else at the stage that 'matters'
OH..council too.
uneven mason
Unless your cotank dies to huntsman <:weird:718676218500874320>
x1000
fringe marten
Council is "blahh blahhhhhh dance...dance..blah....KILL HIM NOWW!! THE GARGOYLES OMGGGG"
uneven mason
Like, I tanked Huntsman for the full minute when he got 4 pierced souls
Pal tanking him, he got 2 souls and just vaporized the windchim
strong forum
Rotate externals on him until Hecutis is dead, pally for sure can't tank Hecutis
fringe marten
My cotank is bear; so he's actually the tank that's more durable than prot warrior...AND does more damage... 😭
strong forum
Hecu slaps,
Especially if you forget to move and he gets to like 10 stacks
And then you run like a bitch
And eat externals
uneven mason
Especially if you forget to move and he gets to like 10 stacks
he just kept moving and we cycled externals on him for when sinseekers were out
fringe marten
On our sludge kill; we were literally exactly neck and neck I did 3.8 so did he. That put me at like #5 or 6 prot warrior in the world on sludge? and put him at like...#30 bear.
strong forum
Ye bear can convoke during pillar
fringe marten
..you can't have the MOST durable tank, ALSO do the second most damage..like c'mon man~
crisp dragon
Running to a pillar, is the best thing ever
wanton condor
bear is less constant aoe damage I guess
jagged pier
thats why u demo and spear at that point Nome
wanton condor
just gets it where it matters though
fringe marten
yeah during initial soak... sometimes you get those super lucky pillar soaks where it's RIGHT next to him~ the dream.
uneven mason
bear is less constant aoe damage I guess
Bur is crazy AE dmg, but in 3min bursts.
strong forum
Bro, siin, when you perfectly heroic leap and infernal strike at the same time
polar radish
bear doesnt get rally
crisp dragon
Bro, siin, when you perfectly heroic leap and infernal strike at the same time
We did that on first pull, it looked sooo fucking good, but it's just too risky for the minimal dps xD
strong forum
That shit is so satisfying
fringe marten
Yeah; on the first pillar you can get into position on first soak..pop avatar, demo him and cast your shattering throw..the soak will hit, and you'll still have time to run to the 'second' soak.
crisp dragon
What I try to do is make him run into the corner of the pillar so I might be in range, but at least so the melees can hit
fringe marten
oh the KD? yeah nice.
uneven mason
no DR
fringe marten
This week will begin our SLG progression.. but we're gonna' be a tougher tank now right? so that's cool ? Raid prog is never about the tanks though.
uneven mason
Actually
crisp dragon
Yeah, all u need to do is tank and spank
fringe marten
If your progress is being held back by your tanks..you are either replacing them, or you're a VERY casual guild who doesn't care.
uneven mason
this raid has been pretty tough on tank damage
wanton condor
Bur is crazy AE dmg, but in 3min bursts.
exactly, prot is just consistent these days while bears get to yolo out
crisp dragon
this raid has been pretty tough on tank damage
I dunno man, I've never really struggled super hard, unless I fuck up
wanton condor
I think they should just make revenge! into sudden death and let it work on execute, would do a decent bit for our ST
without really touching our aoe
distant crystal
i struggled so much more on heroic sludge than mythic
uneven mason
I guess I'm just scewed on tank damage because I was progging on HC sire for so long ><
that dude hurts
can't wait for mythic
distant crystal
once you kinda get the hang of timings and get a rough plan for what you're using when
it's p free
fringe marten
Yeah bear is insane bursty but that's the problem; most raid fights have durations where you get to finish out near the end with your burst as well..so it ends up balancing out. Your raid has to push it a lot quicker to get to a point where you get to cut off the second convoke.
er...THIRD convoke sorry.
distant crystal
prob helps that i'm like +15 ilvl from heroic sludge prog
strong forum
This week will begin our SLG progression.. but we're gonna' be a tougher tank no...
Prot is the best tank for slg
uneven mason
So much melee dmg
fringe marten
heard that a bunch; not sure why though...I know some people want intervenes for the gargoyles but I can't imagine that's why.
strong forum
Intervene 📈
uneven mason
yeah
strong forum
Huge SB uptime
fringe marten
Is it another reprisal fight?
uneven mason
after a few stacks the goliaths will eat a DPS/Healer with their pounce
strong forum
Every fight is reprisal fight tbh
uneven mason
I've been practicing on HC farm runs to stay withint 10 yards of my co tank when I charge
fringe marten
...well any fight that's 'easy' I'd probably run seismic; but there's not enough targets.
uneven mason
no fight is worth seismic but for maybe SLG
just for the burst you can put out
but you'll want the block
fringe marten
Council..but council is actually 'hard' at the end
wanton condor
if you intervene your cotank on sludge, do you take both hits? Does it matter if you're tanking him or not?
uneven mason
if you intervene your cotank on sludge, do you take both hits? Does it matter if...
yes and no
fringe marten
Yeah; reprisal is the better damage option if you don't NEED defense. Only seismic would be worth using if you can get away with it..but you can't utilize it on most raid targets.
If you intervene your cotank you will take more damage.
strong forum
Yes you take both hits and no it doesn't matter who is tanking
wanton condor
I was running reprisal on a heroic reclear and it did cause a damage spike, wasn't sure if that was why
fringe marten
Even if you're MT or not.
strong forum
Which is great
Just have SB up + SW and you are a walking 100%sac on your cotank that's not a warrior
uneven mason
I mean, at least with reprisal you'll have block 😄
fringe marten
If you intervene anyone it's gotta' be a melee who gets close...otherise you're charging on pillar hits. My parse was pretty good and honestly I was BARELY engaging him on pillars. I would blow my wad if I had anything decent up..then try and get a charge AS he roared..and use the roar pushback to get the SECOND charge off before I ran to my bear.
I was just trying to get the 6 seconds of demo shout in mostly...then trying to get the charge at the last second of that.
I could have actually done ? noticably more damage through all pillar phases but I was trying to use that to get the extra block time in (on top of the roars during normal phases)
fringe marten
yup...BUT we weren't doing that.
fringe marten
Because my cotank is bear, on the second stomp he would hover out..and only go in to apply 1 more ? rend or whatever.
strong forum
Cuz they'll be close
fringe marten
So I was kinda' shafted there...the second stomp would hit..and I'd basically be tethered to a guy who wanted to hover out of melee range.
fringe marten
Right; then charge (and he skull bashes) back in.
strong forum
Ye
fringe marten
Then on the second one..he would position for the pillar hit, and go toward it.
strong forum
If he doesn't charge, doesn't matter, you have enough range to charge anyway
Chains are 12yards
Min charge range is 8
So you can always charge without breaking chain
sweet summit
14 yard chain
sweet summit
yea
fringe marten
Right..but he's running to the edge of the pillar...that's now 20 yards away from sludefist.
fringe marten
So I was losing solid uptime
strong forum
No
fringe marten
You don't have to do it as early as he was though, is what I'm saying.
strong forum
You'd better tho
fringe marten
We had more time to fight him..trust me.
polar radish
what if 2 prot warriors intervene each other
strong forum
After stomp I'd always insta go to pillar
fringe marten
Even if by more time ..I mean...I could have slipped in 1 more shield slam before we HAD to run and just have time to get behind pillars edge.
signal plover
Literally just greeding
strong forum
Na man that's too risky imo, also take 1 or 2 extra melee attacks
Just for the sake of it
fringe marten
You have time..2nd stomp you can charge..get 1 or 2 globals in..then hoof it quick. Yeah but that's what parsing is..is greeding.
slim elk
Are you guys using LEGS or BOOTS for reprisal?
fringe marten
You think we're using Bat wing trinkets and Phials of putrefaction...to LIVE better?
strong forum
Legs
There's a difference between 1 SS and potentially wiping the raid and playing it safe and still parsing
slim elk
Ty @strong forum
strong forum
Imo
fringe marten
No..we're trying to be mongo scummy DPS and try and squeeze in more globals and wait until the last POSSIBLE second to move out with mechanics~ instead of just being 'good' tanks and making this easy for healers.
He was starting to get it at the end though; because he was trying to do the same thing. Move back in to melee to reapply a rend or some crap.. so I told him I'd full commit and charge so I could get another global in.. But our wipes were never tank issues; they never are.
oh crap that reminds me I had to 'sign up' for warcraft logs so I can start to view our private logs.. they never shoulda' made them private to begin with.
And if 2 prot warriors intervened each other on sludge; both running the safeguard conduit? you're still both taking more damage.
Sludge is offloading 50% of the encounters damage to the 'other' tank. So if you both intervene each other..now you're BOTH taking that 50% by reducing it by whatever safeguard would.
strong forum
I think whoever intervened last would take the hits and overwrite the others? Idk
fringe marten
naw you'd both basically be being hit by the same amount of extra damage...except one of you would be taking the "giant fists" 50% and one of you would be taking the "standard melee" 50%
and then just reducing it by safeguards % (whatever your ilevel is on it)
So people are going to be expecting intervenes on the gargoyle pounces now?
ugh~
Do you actually take all the damage? and do you have to intervene BEFORE they are struck with the pounce? or are they just relying on safeguards %?
strong forum
You take all dmg before safeguard I think
shut summit
you take the damage
strong forum
Safeguard has no effect on the intervened dmg
fringe marten
I would think that you'd have to land the intervene before the pounce hits? I didn't think it would offload a dot like that mid cast?
strong forum
Mid cast is enough
fringe marten
Well not if you take the whole hit.
uneven mason
So people are going to be expecting intervenes on the gargoyle pounces now?
I mean, you either intervene them or have your healers get ate.
fringe marten
So it just transfers what the gargoyle is doing to them; to you.
uneven mason
yes
shut summit
yep
strong forum
If you stay close to them
uneven mason
at 2 stacks a garg will chomp a non tank
fringe marten
I thought what the garogyle was technically doing was channeling a DoT on them; so it wouldn't just shift it over to you.
fringe marten
Right; but I thought the 'series of melee attacks' was graphical in nature and what he was really doing was channeling a DoT. But I guess it's actually a flurry of hits..and the more often they pounce the more vulnerable the target becomes to it?
uneven mason
I mean, if you need a comparison, Shattering pain is a channel that is 3 fast attcks and a shadow slap
open gazelle
Is thunderclap spam back? I heard our damage got buffed? Been mia for two months
fringe marten
Right; but that's what I always call a 'combo' ..I know that's a few actual hits with a spell blast at the end.
uneven mason
yes, that is what the pounce is
fringe marten
I just never looked that deeply into what the gargoyles were actually DOING. I just thought they suppressed the target and then applied a DoT.
But obviously that's not what is going on.
fringe marten
So yeah; then intervene is clutch because it will stop all the remaining hits.
^
Plus..if I'm running the shiny new leggo..I also get more rage and free block~
uneven mason
IDK am I the only one who has the reflex to press the target of target intervene macro anytime a mob changes target on them?
fringe marten
Nope..if my mob changes targets it's usually a taunt swap or it's a M+ and one of the DPS went ham off the rip, and I just taunt or aoe taunt LOL.
I'll obviously be making a ToT macro for SLG's though.
hollow owl
I'm considering rerolling my main alt from pally to to warrior, am I crazy? I mainly tank M+, but I also like to offspec ret/fury as well. Fury > ret, I think that's easy, but is prot pally damage still much higher than prot warrior? I guess we don't know how the 10% buff will shake out the meta either yet
strong forum
Ret > fury tbh
hollow owl
really?
hollow owl
in m+? I thought fury was actually almost a meta class
strong forum
Prot pally is fucking massive though
Not in m-
In m- fury is better
But a good ret slaps fucking hard
hollow owl
raiding ret is ahead though, especially in mythic
uneven mason
m- ? is that a new mode where you go when you're not meta?
fringe marten
yeah the defense changes won't alter how much damage paladins are doing. Pally is the king of tank DPS atm.
hollow owl
yea, i just feel so squishy on it. like if i dont have holy power when i need it, i'm just praying
fringe marten
As of earlier in the week when I was looking at it; to give you an idea.. the #1 prot warrior dps on mythic sludgefist was 4.2k and change the #1 Guardian druid was 5.2k? or 5.1k and the top paladin was 6.4k? IIRC basically guardian druid was 1k (25%'ish) ahead of prot war.. and paladin was another 1k above guardian druid (so 20% above guardian druid, and almost 50% ahead of warrior)
hollow owl
that's a good point. i wonder how different it is in aoe/m+ because to be honest, I won't be doing mythic raiding on my alt, I do that as elemental
fringe marten
But as they said; prot war is a more durable (consistently) Tank. The ONE night I had to take off this tier during prog, one of our paladins who tanks M+ and dps's in raid...tanked mythic hungering destroyer during prog.
uneven mason
betting you got death threats from the healers
fringe marten
THe next night the raid lead (holy pal) was like "you can never take another night off, healing him was terrifying..never again"
hollow owl
lol
fringe marten
I know he's a good player too, been playing a long time..and he likes to tank; he just always ends up dps'ing. Obviously he might not have had all his conduits in order, or been the 'best' covenant..or had all his gear set up for tanking.
hollow owl
i think i'd miss avengers shield and divine toll, but not having to stand in consecrate would be nice. and i think rage > holy power as a resource for sure
from what i was looking at, night fae is the multispec pick for warrior? would you agree?
fringe marten
Simple..you'll be a more durable more mobile tank with some really cool niche features as you figure out when/how to use them (spell reflect, intervene) But you're going to do noticably less damage.
hollow owl
cool, thanks for the info guys
i think i'll keep playing both until i find which one to keep playing. problem is my pally is around 220 ilvl as an alt where as my warrior has tons of catch up to do. but with 9.1 seeming like it's not coming out for a long time, i have time to catch up
uneven mason
you'll start feeling just as tanky as that 220 pal at about 205 on the war
so
no worries
uneven mason
Nom what ilvl were you on your first 15~
torn tapir
got around 3k avg dps. my 214 monk gets like 3.8k for comparison
raw gyro
what is stat prio for us?
raw gyro
ok ok ty
amber herald
parry gang 😎
patent osprey
hope you parry that shadowcore bolt to the face
hot oxide
whats affixxes this week?
sweet summit
sanguine quaking
patent osprey
sanguine quake
amber herald
hope you parry that shadowcore bolt to the face
yeah but... crits = bigger numbers
hot oxide
o snap, world pvp quest is up
amber herald
bigger numbers = win
craggy harness
Hmm... 226 Glutinous spike over a 220 SLH or 226 ring over 213
short kiln
verse >= to crit? T_T?
You still have haste > vers though?
amber herald
I'd take SLH or ring
patent osprey
haste > verse or verse > haste are both good and situational
amber herald
spike 👎
uneven mason
verse is best in situations where you're getting slapped by shadowbolts that hit for 50k
like Plka on fort weeks
Because
Plka is our top 0.01%
uneven mason
He's like the Elon Musk of Prot warriors
short kiln
Lol. Truth
craggy harness
Who yells at him to delete his tweets
uneven mason
Nom yells at everyone
craggy harness
Point.
uneven mason
haven't you watched his stream
uneven mason
when you feel that magic hurts
sweet summit
around there is where id value it >= haste personally
uneven mason
(TBH Vers is good stat to stack but you shouldn't sac ilvl for it
patent osprey
<3 naming my kid X AE A-XII
sweet summit
patent osprey
IM ON A PHONE AND WAS LAZY
patent osprey
my phone has no option
craggy harness
lol it doesn't?
sweet summit
we have Æ Ø and Å in norway 😅
patent osprey
don't yall have phones
sweet summit
LOL
sick sentinel
Is that A kyrian?
short kiln
Decided last night to move my BDK to Venthyr for that reason actually
sick sentinel
I was thinking of going from venth to fae. But i like draven DR.
short kiln
Can't stop pumping AA on PW though
patent osprey
Draven Dr hardly comes into play. u shouldn't really be below 40 as a prot war cause if so ur probably dead
I also hate the stone thing that gets left behind and if u quick release it keeps u in combat
tardy parcel
Should I rock https://www.wowhead.com/item=183036/most-regal-signet-of-sire-denathrius?bonus=6805 at 220 (Heroic) over a 226 https://www.wowhead.com/item=178824/signet-of-the-false-accuser?bonus=6805:1472 ? I'm assuming so
sick sentinel
Ahhhh right that has happened to me i think.
patent osprey
@tardy parcel since there is no mainstat on rings this is actually closer and not so much just ilvl wins. so personally I'd use the 220 regal over 226.
just cause regal is haste heavy
tardy parcel
That's what my gut is telling me, thank you. It's a loss of 6 stam, but the Haste is so absurdly budgeted on the Regal Signet that it's hard to turn it down
patent osprey
6 Stam is useless
tardy parcel
yep
deep steppe
sick sentinel
Is fae AA a big deal? Should i feel wierd about condemn not feeling super useful in m+
tardy parcel
grats
patent osprey
oh hell yeah @deep steppe
sweet summit
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
patent osprey
Is fae AA a big deal? Should i feel wierd about condemn not feeling super useful...
if you like vampire stay vampire
hollow silo
This is the week we try to beat pika in io
patent osprey
do it! I'm community Boi now
sick sentinel
ok
hollow silo
patent osprey
I like making podcasts instead of pushing:)
celest chasm
Bro thats huge
hollow silo
Podcast
patent osprey
community things are so fun. Pushing kinda gets grueling at like keys levels 24+
sick sentinel
after 73 runs in m+ and more on M0, 13 weeks of vaults and still no scale all I can say is GZ 😄
patent osprey
at 24+ some bosses just destroy ur team and there's nothing u can do about it as a prot war. and prot war needs to also be watched by the healer when taking magic dam so it's a lose lose
deep steppe
after 73 runs in m+ and more on M0, 13 weeks of vaults and still no scale all I ...
Now that I have mine, yours is next week for sure
sick sentinel
at 24+ some bosses just destroy ur team and there's nothing u can do about it as...
even with this 10% redux, is 24 our cap ?
deep steppe
patent osprey
u can do 25 pf probably
but it'll hurt
25 NW u can also do as prot
it's all about your group really
if you play with nerfs group then yeah probably 25s max
but keys like top probably 23 24 max
top keys aren't about tank survivability. they are about damage output
amber herald
✊
patent osprey
sick sentinel
I'm going for 25s as prot warrior
Godspeed
short kiln
is NA back up now from reset?
uneven mason
yeah
sick sentinel
should be, the NA scale posting has already started 😄
tidal nest
Hi, just a quick question about reprisal legendary. Is there a notable difference between legs and feet slot for that?
flint tiger
Is the Viscera of Coalesced Hatred any good for prot, or is it hot garbage?
torn garden
What’s the play when using reprisal in M+? Charge in, use shield blocks as buff duration expires, intervene a melee then leap out if block charges deplete?
sweet summit
Hi, just a quick question about reprisal legendary. Is there a notable differenc...
not a big deal, can go with your lowest slot/cheapest slot. preferably you take legs unless you can get SLG mythic legs
sweet summit
What’s the play when using reprisal in M+? Charge in, use shield blocks as buff ...
charge, SB asap to get it on CD, intervene often. dont sit on capped charge/sb/intervene charges
sick sentinel
What’s the play when using reprisal in M+? Charge in, use shield blocks as buff ...
pretty much, increase shield block uptime and revenge dmg by using charge and intervene
sweet summit
Is the Viscera of Coalesced Hatred any good for prot, or is it hot garbage?
its not great, but as always depends on which other trinkets you have
tidal nest
not a big deal, can go with your lowest slot/cheapest slot. preferably you take ...
Thank you
torn garden
Ok so to keep charge on cd are you just stunning mobs to charge back in or leap out charge in? Charge is the one that feels super clunk to me
uneven mason
I only have charge once per pack
signal plover
Just ask the mobs nicely to stay put
flint tiger
@sweet summit I have the pvp haste with str proc (glad insignia of alacrity), Inscrutable Quantum Device, and Decanter of Anima winds, so not great trinkets (primarily was dps)
sweet summit
item level also matters
sick sentinel
Just ask the mobs nicely to stay put
no need to ask the casters 🙂
signal plover
Well ya don't wanna be rude bud
flint tiger
item level also matters
@sweet summit pvp trinket & IQD is 213. Decanter & Viscera is 226
vagrant zinc
Guys, any thoughts for Gluttonous spike for tanking?
vestal moat
it's good, be careful it doesnt accidentally pull thjings
vagrant zinc
I am currently using a 197 Hymnal of the Path and a 213 Splintered heart
have a choice between a 220 crit verse ring and a 213 spike
sorry, crit haste ring
vagrant zinc
Sim the DPS of it or is there an effective health score on SimC?
I usually use raidbots for DPS sims
uneven mason
no, you can't really sim survivability
amber herald
dps
wanton condor
hymnal just doesn't seem that good
chilly brook
Hymnal slaps
vagrant zinc
Hymnal is about 5% of my dmg in an M+
chilly brook
For the ilvl especially
strong forum
Hymnal is good dps
A solid 100+ dps
Prolly more at 200ilvl but I haven't had the luxury of getting that cuz I don't do callings
uneven mason
legit got a hymnal at 197 and a scale at 200 on my druid
strong forum
Pantheas hymnal is like 150-170 dps
uneven mason
erm was it the dru..might've been the DK for the hymal
remote hawk
Never even seen a hymnal
wanton condor
I'm just looking at it from a defensive standpoint, meh, would generally rather have trinkets to let me pull bigger
ionic fern
o.o
It won't stop you from pulling bigger.
No trinket is going to be like "Oh,now i can pull gigabig cause i got this trinket!!"
wanton condor
idk, I feel like my heart did
strong forum
The only dungeons where you can pull bigger than standard pulls are ardenweald zone and hoa
wanton condor
SD you can pull bigger
plush tendon
That’s what you think
strong forum
Rest is limited by CC
plush tendon
NW pull the whole front section on first boss
chilly brook
I'm just looking at it from a defensive standpoint, meh, would generally rather ...
No trinket really let's you pull bigger
strong forum
Nobody does that cuz of the CC on your casters
Too many drain fluid casts
You pull 3 packs there, maybe 4
strong forum
Yea that's the normal pull
A 3 or 4 pack pull
Into a 3 or double pull
That's Standard pull behaviour
I thought
chilly brook
But those are full of mobs that dont hit that hard
strong forum
Exactly
chilly brook
And also you're not doing that if your dps suxks
gloomy cradle
you can pull the pats onto the boss, or alternatively the pack on the platform with a spear
wanton condor
is doing the citadel in 2 pulls also normal?
chilly brook
is doing the citadel in 2 pulls also normal?
If you have pride and orbs available yes
uneven mason
because 3 of little joey's are 400 feet 👉
wanton condor
idea is 1 pull -> pride -> 1 pull
strong forum
Sounds about right
wanton condor
I generally split that into 3 total pulls so we don't have to deal with the stitchwerk, but I also don't trust my dps >.>
uneven mason
trigger pride with the 2 pull + small pat
torn garden
TFW DPS won't gather in for the leapers
Love this. You pull mobs toward ranged to mitigate their idiocy. They run away
chilly brook
I generally split that into 3 total pulls so we don't have to deal with the stit...
Grab the orbs yourself
Trust me
Its bis
strong forum
I generally split that into 3 total pulls so we don't have to deal with the stit...
That's the main reason to do or not do pulls
uneven mason
yeah
strong forum
Imo
chilly brook
I yell at dps who grab orbs
strong forum
I always pick orbs
chilly brook
Because they just wanna pad
wanton condor
I trust them on orbs, I don't trust them to focus down the stitchwerk
chilly brook
Like I'm using this at specific points to enable larger pulls you dummy
wanton condor
will probably get 1 orb myself this week though
strong forum
I always have to orb 2nd boss NW cuz we suck
wanton condor
as I've been holding one for post-pride, 1 for a boss for tyr weeks
strong forum
gloomy cradle
orb on second boss is a nice safety net but you probably souhldn't need it on fort week
uneven mason
I always have to orb 2nd boss NW cuz we suck
legit had a mage blink over grab the 1st orb, and use it on the little leaper pack
wanton condor
lol
uneven mason
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
wanton condor
I've felt more comfortable not using orb on 2nd boss recently, there's just such a gap between them that you can generally get some CDs back
uneven mason
"only pack with no casters i the WHOLE PLACE, good idea!"
wanton condor
and always CC an errant archer
ionic fern
Who CC's a archer. 👀
celest chasm
I'm having trouble with vault selection
wanton condor
my DK will always grip in the archer
folks are pretty good at kicking the mages
but if we don't have a grip for whatever reason sometimes it's easier to just kick and kill
chilly brook
Just cc the mage and leave it alone
wanton condor
can swap that up though, see if it's easier
celest chasm
How important is weapon?
chilly brook
Very
celest chasm
I've got some tough choices
chilly brook
It's probably not as tough as you think
wanton condor
what, do you have shield vs scale vs weapon vs heart?
celest chasm
223 weapon, 220 stone legion, 220 sanguine vintage, 220 stichflesh misplaced (haste verse)
chilly brook
Weapon
outer solstice
good evening
celest chasm
I've got a 210 weapon
wanton condor
then you go back to farming dos like the rest of us
outer solstice
what are we on about?
uneven mason
weapon then
celest chasm
And 213 trinkets
wanton condor
weapon
gloomy cradle
weapon
uneven mason
also screw you for getting a SLG and Sire loot in your vault at the same time 😛
outer solstice
@wanton condor yeah.... fml I got the phial on the 3rd PF since 905 ....
but no scale in about 30 runs
uneven mason
why does scale hate warriors
outer solstice
shrug
uneven mason
all the paladins druids and Dks in my guild have one
uneven mason
INCLUDING MY ALTS
celest chasm
Took the weapon
chilly brook
why does scale hate warriors
It doesnt
outer solstice
I got myhtic shield this week, so I'm fine anyway
chilly brook
Remember when I got a scale 3 weeks in a row at the start of the xpac?
outer solstice
now I hope for kael thas trinket.... just for progress
@chilly brook yeah but prob <210 ilvl I guess?
uneven mason
Griff was pumping 15s out of the womb - he was "viable"
outer solstice
haven't seen a single 226 weapon or scale in my box yet ...
outer solstice
still better than any of us DOS spammers can get
uneven mason
think I'll valor cap before I get a scale
chilly brook
I got a trinket and a shield early on thankfully
outer solstice
oh well I get shiny things for other speccs
outer solstice
I got a trinket and a shield early on thankfully
oh yeah shield took me ages.... was running around with 220 PvP shield until 2 days ago
NF 226 shield is pretty damn yummy though
outer solstice
^^
chilly brook
chilly brook
That the mushroom dude?
outer solstice
yes yes
chilly brook
you only miss niya
I mean true
wanton condor
debating if I just want to push really hard this week or just use it as an excuse to go venthyr and continue my world tour of the covenants
vagrant zinc
US has the easiest week ever
outer solstice
EU has it next week
chilly brook
Wat
outer solstice
that's why I ask
chilly brook
Isnt it the same?
outer solstice
it's reset day on US
chilly brook
Just different reset days?
outer solstice
yep
outer solstice
that's why it's 2 day "what item shall I pick" in here again
as every week
and I love to take part
plush tendon
Todays the day I either keep the or go back to the 
how long can you hold part 2 of the cov reroll quest?
severe hound
Hey guys, do you guys think I should make the wall or reprisal legendary first as an intro to M+ tanking? I'm 1650 io with timed 19s as dps but just now messing arounf with prot after all the buffs and signet isnt cutting it of course lol I'm struggling even tanking and timing 12s.
plush tendon
Hey guys, do you guys think I should make the wall or reprisal legendary first a...
Reprisal
uneven mason
reprisal
signal plover
Legendary alone won't make the difference tho
severe hound
haste vers and build on legs?
signal plover
If you're struggling in 12s
signal plover
Ya that won't do jim
severe hound
lmao
uneven mason
Nothing scuffs a key worse than shitty DPS
except for a shitty tank
but yeah, if you're finishing a 12 with DPS doing 2k
you should have a cigar
you carried that shit like a champ
signal plover
I mean I'm gonna assume a reasonable amount of competence if you're capable of dpsing 19s
uneven mason
"It's not you, its them"
severe hound
competence as dps but as far as tanking its been really bad on my part too lmao
like
having a good route and shit
unreal scarab
Imagine going to banner in the first place
is this like a personal attack or something
signal plover
Sure
unreal scarab
had to really convince myself to leave my necrowaifus for NF.
signal plover
Sounds like a personal problem tbh
unreal scarab
uneven mason
Should just be able to put your head down and go in a 12
If you run seismic you should be able to do this in a 15
signal plover
📈
unreal scarab
<:Aftershock:742631092326236282> 📈
good argument Sir
chilly brook
Todays the day I either keep the <:Aftershock:742631092326236282> or go back to ...
Banner bad
Good
chilly brook
Burrs
crisp dragon
Ah yes, the burrs
chilly brook
crisp dragon
You have convinced me
unreal scarab
was waiting for some kyrian to jump in
sand condor
burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrss
crisp dragon
Yeah, are the standard conduits better?
Cause I feel like, Pelagos is super fucking bad
only thing thats good is mastery
chilly brook
Ye
chilly brook
Niya has stacking mastery/health procs and burrs is dummy dps
unreal scarab
but but but ... cool armor!
uneven mason
and thats my sad butt
chilly brook
Korayn is just huge crit and big dam
crisp dragon
Thether on spear is really nice for Sun king, but Im way past that now, so I need to figure out how to do more damage
uneven mason
some of these other pumpers probably pull 25k+
chilly brook
Although korayn isn't that great in raid
But in m+
Korayn might actually be gucci on council and SLG though
unreal scarab
Do i have to wear a fairy costum in front of my PC if i play as NF prot?
chilly brook
No lol
unreal scarab
pretty new to this.
crisp dragon
Although korayn isn't that great in raid
whioch one is best in raid then?
uneven mason
Korayn might actually be gucci on council and SLG though
extra pumping vs goliaths good
chilly brook
Niya
unreal scarab
ah ok sorry. don t want to do anything wrong!
chilly brook
Niya is super nice
crisp dragon
I just dont see why
uneven mason
Do i have to wear a fairy costum in front of my PC if i play as NF prot?
required to race change to rat tho
chilly brook
Big mastery on Aftershock and huge single target damage gains from burrs for no extra effort
crisp dragon
Ill have a look into it
chilly brook
Like you're getting 100ish dps from burrs alone
Excuse me I lied
200 dps
@crisp dragon
unreal scarab
required to race change to rat tho
ohhhhh so i m not allowed to stay zandalari :(?
inland raft
to go kyrian or stay nf, that is what i am grappling with rn
remote hawk
Im on EU so we reset tomorrow. Is the best time to swap covenant now, the day before ?
plush tendon
if you are swapping back to a cov youve been before then yes
wanton condor
if you're trying to make it easy to swap back yeah, just go grind out a world quest + 2 normal dungeons for your old cov
remote hawk
Nah been kyrian since day 1
modern brook
Ill have a look into it
What's there to look into you get fatty mastery and health every aftershock and burrs is still dumb
Not even accounting the secret op that is herbs
plush tendon
Nah been kyrian since day 1
I would recommend, if you are making the switch to something, to do it today, then start the return quest and finish the first part today before reset
that way, tomorrow, if you dont llike what you chose, you can go right back
wanton condor
do lfr + normal + dungeons + callings
honestly everything will give it up through like renown 24 or so then you need to do some campaign quests to uncap it from my epxereince
remote hawk
Nice
plush tendon
The best way to grind renown; spam heriocs till they no longer give you renown, then do mythic 0s till they no longer give you renown (should bring you between 17-20), then start the campaign, finish campaign, hand in callings, then hand in anima and soul retrieval quest. You should now be 31
remote hawk
Jesus that makes it sound so easy xD
plush tendon
Did it this weekend, from Saturday to Sunday I swapped from Necro to NF and got to 31 renown
unreal scarab
The best way to grind renown; spam heriocs till they no longer give you renown, ...
gonna be a NF simp in no time senpai!
plush tendon
remote hawk
Same. Wanted to try them for lile forever. Just been Lady as fuck
uneven mason
Same. Wanted to try them for lile forever. Just been Lady as fuck
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inland raft
why cant nf or kyrian be clear cut better then the other? im so torn
unreal scarab
just think of it as if you play DH you gonna go Kyrian asap. So try NF with prot and feel the fairylife
inland raft
i been nf for a couple weeks just thinking of going kyrian
crisp dragon
Like you're getting 100ish dps from burrs alone
It's just, I really love the Venthyr bonusses, but I would never go it, Kyrian just seems so useless in the soulbinds (sorry for my late response)
signal plover
Poor pelagos and kleia actually being strong but ppl somehow thinking they're not...
crisp dragon
Pelagos gives Mastery, 3% magic dmg reduction, what else?
signal plover
What else do you want lol
chilly brook
What else do you want lol
I want my vers back for pepegos
limpid burrow
poor Mikanikos
chilly brook
Kleia also isn't that great tbh
crisp dragon
It's just very dull, it's not interesting, and I think you're over-exaggerating how good they are
chilly brook
She just exists for necrotic
wanton condor
yeah, kyrian is real stupid on necrotic and decent on grevious
modern brook
It's just very dull, it's not interesting, and I think you're over-exaggerating ...
lol hard wrong
wanton condor
but otherwise I kind of prefer NF having played both
modern brook
Pelagos gives a fuck ton of mastery every minute
Pelagos gives 55% heal phials
3% damage reduction for free
wanton condor
AA letting you shut down casters is too nifty
modern brook
double endurance conduits without losing potency conduit cause its actually good in kyrian
signal plover
Imagine calling pelagos "useless"
crisp dragon
Pelagos is by no means useless, and I never suggested it was
All I say is, I'm looking for something that is a little more interesting to play
lavish oracle
Anyone played with the new 10% DR?
signal plover
It's just, I really love the Venthyr bonusses, but I would never go it, Kyrian j...
...
modern brook
IDG how u can look at pelagos and like lol draven and think draven is more interesting
but whatever do u
100% doesnt matter
chilly brook
I mean the real take away is none of the soulbinds are really that interesting
signal plover
All covs have pretty good soulbind options
crisp dragon
I mean the real take away is none of the soulbinds are really that interesting
I just wish some were more interactive, at least the less combat relevant ones are more interesting for NF, the phial and other steward CD's reduction is just downright trash
lavish oracle
Well like, they can't really be that interesting
lavish oracle
If they're too interesting and you're stuck in a different covenant, it's gonna be a bad time
crisp dragon
You can, contrary to popular belief, make a system interactive and fun, without making it overpowered
But Blizzard, can not.
modern brook
🤷♀️ I think you just want to complain about a system
signal plover
I mean that's a whole other discussion tbh
modern brook
casue what you think this system should be; and what it actually should be, are totally different things
borrowed power talent trees != interactivity belongs.
lavish oracle
I mean, I think the current iterations of soulvinds is fine
crisp dragon
🤷♀️ I think you just want to complain about a system
At least I'm trying to create conversation now, I think you're being a bit of a ❄️