protection

[mighty valley]

feral healing is bananas, haven't seen any other offspec healer come close

[median tulip]

and they do have Ancestral Guidance as a CD

I'm sure someone will try and make it work xD

[mighty valley]

i've done multiple 15s with our feral as solo healer and it's like... not even scary

[patent osprey]

/wave

[polar lily]

Just trying out prot for the first time basically. Initial reaction isnt very good. You guys like it?

Cant decide what to do with the rage

[deep steppe]

Prot is big pog

[sweet summit]

press revenge 👀

[deep steppe]

^

[polar lily]

Feels strange with the nombo of ignore pain vs revenge

I guess you learn with xp? 😅

[sweet summit]

most of the time you just use IP to avoid overcapping rage

and spend most on SB>revenge

[jagged pier]

u use rage for SB if that is up

u press revenge

unless its execute phase

then u press execute

[polar lily]

So ignore pain isnt something that I should be focusing much on?

[languid flower]

So here's how I want IP to work: Costs 5 or 10 rage. Applies a 3 second stacking debuff. Rage cost doubled for each stack (10->20->40->80). The debuff also causes blocks to reflect some of all damage (both physical and magical). This reflected damage has increased threat.

[deep steppe]

ignore pain is a damage smoother, not really a big "Save me" button

[blazing condor]

does anyone have a stavros WA that counts down ?

i know theres one with sound

[strange lintel]

so for weapon enchant i should use lightless force or ascended vigor?

feels like i could use the aoe dmg proc more than the healing?

[sweet summit]

lightless for dps
celesital if not

[strange lintel]

roger~

[daring bay]

Anyone tried impending victory? feels pretty good tbh

and healing is pretty much same as indomitable

[patent osprey]

I don't have the free GCDs to use on IV

I have to do dam

[sonic tangle]

Dam is the way

[daring bay]

really? how much haste do you guys have?

[blazing condor]

i used to run it to try it out and its pretty neat tbh

[jagged pier]

☝️

[jagged pier]

26%

in dungeons

[patent osprey]

14%....

dont judge me

[modern brook]

plka hit it: its the same healing but costs a global

and comes with a 10% health hit

[latent oriole]

Is there a trick people are using for stavros? I've dodged it once or twice but do you spin around and block or...?

[modern brook]

IV suffers not from being bad but from being outclassed on its row on all specs.

[sweet summit]

ya just spin after he TPs, and block it

[latent oriole]

I'll have to work on trying to time that better

I don't like taking it from behind unless it's consensual

[sweet summit]

[latent oriole]

I didn't know whether or not you could actually block it

[light thicket]

Its hard

Too early and you kill ppl

Too late and you just turned around for no reason

Takes a little bit to get the hang of it

[latent oriole]

That ability probably chunks me more than anything else in the whole raid

[sick sentinel]

You mitigate physical damage with SB, Ignore Pain is for all damage. But if are you spending rage on mitigation you are generating less damage. so mitigate when needed

[latent oriole]

I had a successful leap once where I jumped basically straight up in air and it missed me totally

Another where I jumped to side and it missed and I charged back in time but yeah sketchy at best. I'd rather spin and block if that's an option

My two cents on the IP question is basically, if you're having survivability issues and dying to dumb shit use ip with your rage, and if not use revenge.

[patent osprey]

My two cents on IP is, If im dying, IP is probably not gonna save me anyways 😉 so might as well try to kill it faster

[potent patrol]

Hello ! I have to step in and replace a tank for our progress on inerva this evening. The thing is, I have high haste and mastery (28 and 29%), and low versatility (10% 😦 ). Is it worth to switch my ring enchants and jewels to vers instead of haste ? also should i use haste/vers or strength food ?

[blazing condor]

you simply just ignore the pain... i get it

[latent oriole]

It's not back to stack on top of something else. Like if I'm about to take a big magic hit I'll throw up reflect and dump an IP on top of it

Not bad*

More aggressive content though I find myself just focusing all my rage on sb and ip, I just move my keybind for it depending on what I'm doig and work it into rotation. I swap ip and revenge between 2 keybinds and it seems a pretty simple thing that helps me personally

[uneven mason]

just wear your highest ilvl, swapping enchants is going to be almost no difference

haste will win out in the long run.

[unreal sequoia]

Question. I've been entirely pvp arms this xpac and my friends all got into M+, I'm making my first pve legendary and our group of 4 doesn't have a tank. Would it be better to tank or play fury for pve.

[celest chasm]

I think it depends a lot on what you want to do... fury is absolutely busted in m+

[plush tendon]

Fury is strong in M+, but having the tank be part of you core group of friends is also a bonus

[celest chasm]

Like play dps if you wanna dps, and tank if you wanna tank

[distant crystal]

prot and fury are both pretty sick for m+

follow your heart!

[plush tendon]

Also, you can just build rank 1 legos anyways

[unreal sequoia]

Yea, I guess I'm just indecisive. They are both fun. I'm just looking for some advice on which is probably better for my situation. lol

[distant crystal]

well what other tank options do you have

[unreal sequoia]

I have a paladin at ilvl 200. Warrior at 220. And pugs

[distant crystal]

oh i meant your group

like if you weren't tanking who would

[unreal sequoia]

Its a group of 4. rogue, shaman, dk, and me. The dk might try to tank, but he's brand new

[iron lily]

Hey guys just curious on something:
I've mostly been doing arms PvP on my warrior though I intend to be tanking on as prot in M+. With the items I've gotten, I literally have 0 Mastery. Should I try to get at least some mastery at all?

[distant crystal]

i'd prob tank then

pug a dps not a tank

[plush tendon]

Be the big Prot War you were meant to be

[uneven mason]

PUG tanks 🤮

99% the reason why I tank

because everyone else is shit at tanking

including you guys

🤘

[distant crystal]

you're not wrong

[plush tendon]

wait.... if you tank to avoid pug tanks, but you pug.... doesnt that make you the pug tank?

[uneven mason]

😱

[unreal sequoia]

Sooooo, give me some prot advice. I'm in vers/crit pvp gear

[plush tendon]

change that crit to haste and you g2g

[unreal sequoia]

leggo for m+?

[uneven mason]

stats are irrelevant, you will stack ilvl, resistance is futile.

[plush tendon]

Reprisal or The Wall; but highly recommend Reprisal

[uneven mason]

TFW Crit is mongo strong in M +

but yeah haste feels better

[jagged pier]

espeically as u run BSC

[unreal sequoia]

Can I tank without legendary? Can't make it until tomorrow

[jagged pier]

yes

[uneven mason]

Yeah

Prot is plenty strong on its own

[plush tendon]

I would just run Bolster over AM without reprisal

[uneven mason]

our Legendaries that are "Good" for us would literally be dumpster tier compared to any other tank legendaries

[jagged pier]

if u dont run reprisal u run bolster

[cinder skiff]

@jagged pier is that you on youtube (Jakeyplops)

[jagged pier]

yes

[unreal sequoia]

I'm kinda hype now

[uneven mason]

Reprisal is bascailly a QoL bandaid

[cinder skiff]

was just watching your mists video

[uneven mason]

so, its not needed, but makes it easier to run 🧱

[unreal sequoia]

Ok, so my group is 2 necrolords and a NF. I'm currently Venthyr. Will I need to switch?

[jagged pier]

ah cool man hope u found it useful

[plush tendon]

If you really want to optimize your group for M+, then you or the rogue would be Kyrian, make the other NF, and then the DK and Shaman decide whos going Venthyr and Necro

but it shouldnt matter, play what you want. I play with a couple of PVP guys and I always recommend to them to play the Cov they want for PVP as any will work in PVE content even if it isnt best. I know far too well how some Cov abilities in the arena can either be godly or not worth pressing

[cinder skiff]

always enjoying hearing peoples mindset, always learn something.

[jagged pier]

👍

[lofty widget]

question for you guys, does intercepted melees give necrotic stacks?

[uneven mason]

I'd assume so

but can't say I ever tested it.

[unreal sequoia]

Which soulbind and conduits if venthyr?

[marsh aurora]

I'm thinking about leveling all 4 covenants, i got kyrian and venth covered, since i'm mostly pugging for now NF seems like the best option right ?

but sanguine + nf is gonna feel weird i feel like

[uneven mason]

eh

[marsh aurora]

"wtf man why do you stun them inside the sanguine"

[uneven mason]

TBH AA hits so hard that you generally have mobs die about the same time, or its faded by the time they die.

[marsh aurora]

huge threat generation aswell i'd assume ?

[manic haven]

is it a huge no no to turn your backs against enemies?

[mighty valley]

if AA isn't up on a pull when you start, you might have to restrain yourself from slamming it mid-pack

[manic haven]

i sometimes notice i take 12k melee

[mighty valley]

yes

you don't block/parry

[unreal sequoia]

Does anyone have experience tanking as venthyr?

[mighty valley]

yes

[unreal sequoia]

Are any of these soulbinds viable?

[mighty valley]

i mean, a tank without a covenant would be "viable"

nadija is best overall

[unkempt fox]

@unreal sequoia what content are you talking bout

[unreal sequoia]

M+

[unkempt fox]

What level

[mighty valley]

sometimes i set up theotar for prot just so I can leave nadija for fury when i'm swapping back and forth

[unreal sequoia]

Gonna do a few 5s, then 10-15s

I use Nadjia for arms pvp. But I can stop pvping for a few days

[neat pebble]

on what slot do i have to craft the charge legi (shoes or trowsers)?

[mighty valley]

legs probably best long term. short term, if you're gonna be doing mythic SLG, you'd get the 233 legs there and put reprisal on boots

[unkempt fox]

Keep using nadjia I would say but im using draven in 17-18 @unreal sequoia

[neat pebble]

@mighty valley why reprisal on boots ?

[unreal sequoia]

So Nadjia? and draven maybe later?

Could I use draven for now?

[mighty valley]

to get maximum possible item level in this tier, since 233 ilvl legs exist but boots don't

[uneven mason]

because SLG drops 233 pants

[neat pebble]

aaaah

ok

but when i dont raid i got legs?

[uneven mason]

yes

[unkempt fox]

@unreal sequoia personally I don't need that much haste with my 25 and reprisal and I don't have much uptime with theotar in m+ but that's a personal preference

[neat pebble]

and reprisal is the go to because we get charge stack??

[uneven mason]

yes

Shieldblock uptime

[mighty valley]

honestly i don't really rate draven that highly, it's hard to really be getting that much out of the traits

although saving money on prog fights isn't bad................

[wanton condor]

saving money
rich daddy guild is paying for my repairs or I'm cleaving the RL

need to give all the tanks Shirk from FFXIV so you can threaten that

[sturdy sable]

Nidja for prot draven for arms pvp

[chilly brook]

Basically this

[plush tendon]

He could run Nidja for both PVP and Prot War tanking; you would just take the triple endurance slots and no potency. Not like Prot Warrior potency conduits are anything to write home about

assuming hes running double potency for arms

[chilly brook]

I'd personally say draven is more useful for pvp but that's me

[plush tendon]

I dont arms PVP, im just saying

you could use Naidja for both

[blazing condor]

If i realm transfer do my addons get all messed up? are there any folders to save in that case

dont remember

[light thicket]

There should be no reason for your addons to get messed up from a realm transfer i think

But just in case

Go to your wow folder-interface

There should be an addons folder and thats the one you should backup if you want

[blazing condor]

i just have a vague memory of my addon settings getting all messed up

because you have profiles

[light thicket]

Could be, i honestly havent had a problem realm transfering and addons

But just copy that folder and youre good i think

[bleak chasm]

So did we come to the consensus that Necro Prot is a bit of a meme, or is it actually worth taking over Kyrian/NF?

[chilly brook]

Kinda yes, but you can just reimport everything/copy over the folder

[patent osprey]

it's can be good, but for 99% f warriors probably shouldn't do it @bleak chasm

[blazing condor]

yeah i hope my profiles are fine to import

[chilly brook]

Dont need to save anything

[blazing condor]

good good

[chilly brook]

Just copy pasta

[blazing condor]

i kinda did something in a rush without thinkin

thanku

[chilly brook]

Or if its elvui just import from the elvui menu etc.

[patent osprey]

since most tanks are kyrian, we have to fill that slot

[chilly brook]

Just be a rebel and play NF

[bleak chasm]

Oh I'm glad you responded actually. I've seen you excel at both Venthyr and NF, but it looks like you're back on the Kyrian train now. Is that mostly to do with, as you said, needing a Kyrian for dungeon mechanics?

NL* not NF

[kindred pewter]

kyrian pot is just huge man

[blazing condor]

its mostly for covenant diversity

[ionic fern]

NW/SoA bonuses are better. 🙂

[blazing condor]

only WW monks and tanks are those that run kyrian that are """"""viable"""""

[distant crystal]

rogues

[chilly brook]

Rogues

DHs

[bleak chasm]

rogues

sorry, thought we were playing repeat

[floral pewter]

ret paladins

[distant crystal]

🐸

[chilly brook]

^

Ret unironically big pumpers

[floral pewter]

and holy paladins, for that matter

[distant crystal]

haha you agreed with my frog

[bleak chasm]

or democracy, for that matter

[floral pewter]

I thought demo locks were garbage this tier though

[ocean acorn]

@ionic fern plka played your talent yesterday on stream

[chilly brook]

Demo is fine

[ocean acorn]

The heavy repercussions one

[distant crystal]

trell shouted out Plka on the last titanforge

[patent osprey]

Yeah, my rogue went necrolord from kyrian because of the recent buffs, so i have to be kyrian boi now 😦

[patent osprey]

I heard that 😮 i havent seen it yet

[chilly brook]

Gross

[glossy needle]

Do druid treants work on inspired mob packs?

[chilly brook]

Heavy Repurcussio s

[glossy needle]

do they take aggro from you

[chilly brook]

[bleak chasm]

but, assuming comp variety wasn't a thing, would you have stuck with NL?

[lofty widget]

only the inspired mob

everything else is not taunted

[ionic fern]

Oh no..really?

😂

[patent osprey]

oh hell no, if it wasnt a thing, IM GOING BACK FAIRY

[patent osprey]

i did 2 keys with it. I hated my life. Ur welcome

[ionic fern]

😂

[bleak chasm]

😆

[chilly brook]

Puuummmppppp

[ionic fern]

Why did you put yourself through that tho @patent osprey ?

[distant crystal]

@patent osprey they were meming about your L

[bleak chasm]

you think fairy bros are the way along with the leggo buffs? I love Niya on my bear, so I could totally see that. The damage would just be absurd. Wild hunt tactics might actually be dope as hell too.

[chilly brook]

I mean

If your sole focus is keys

[patent osprey]

Wut can you do 😛 when I made my name, I didn't think I would ever become a streamer

[chilly brook]

Between the damage and the fact that you can lockdown a pack for 12 seconds there really isn't anything better

[kindred pewter]

kyrian pot btw

[chilly brook]

Kyrian pot is cool but meh

[bleak chasm]

it more or less is for my alt tanks. I prog raid on my bear and I really don't see that changing anytime soon.

[kindred pewter]

best covenant ability in the game lol

[patent osprey]

Fairy bois is just too good for damage and utility. In the end of the day, high keys aren't about tank survivability. It is all almost how much dam u can do faster 🙂

[chilly brook]

Haven't been in a situation where Kyrian pot was all that impactful tbh

[patent osprey]

Cause I ❤️ u

[kindred pewter]

necrotic stacks

bunch of raid dots

[chilly brook]

Just get out of melee

👀

[kindred pewter]

👀

[patent osprey]

Necrotic is pog. But that is building your whole cov around 1 affix haha

[bleak chasm]

Kyrian pot is really only noticeable for necrotic imo. The "heal" is barely a bandaid when I'm in true "oh shit" moments

[ocean acorn]

What about the bleeds in hoa?

[kindred pewter]

kyrian is poggers for plaguefall

[chilly brook]

Like everything that kyrian pot offers you can be accomplished another way

[ionic fern]

Idk, i enjoyed it.
HoA/DoS/PF/SD

ALl had good uses for Kyrian potion

[distant crystal]

but just imagine for a second

that you're a kyrian dwarf

[ionic fern]

Like me?

🙂

[bleak chasm]

it's not unenjoyable, it's just not so great that I feel I can't live without it

[chilly brook]

Nothing does what Aftershock does

[distant crystal]

THE DREAM

[kindred pewter]

um

i raise u

kyrian mechagnome

[distant crystal]

gross

there are children in this channel

stop it

[bleak chasm]

Kyrian Mecha-Iron Tauren

[chilly brook]

Also who needs to worry about necrotic if the packs are dead anyways

📈

[distant crystal]

pull more!

[mighty egret]

4d chess brain

[bleak chasm]

[kindred pewter]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/protection/races/castingpatchwerk

all im saying

[patent osprey]

Its nice to have Kyrian pot for sure, but its not as good as having AA for other pack for big knockdown utility and dam

[chilly brook]

^^^^

[patent osprey]

or having soulshape to kite

[kindred pewter]

Mechagnome beats Lightforged Draenei by one dps

[distant crystal]

yeah i mean LF is obviously the play there

[chilly brook]

Like I said nothing does what Aftershock does

[distant crystal]

bursty dam > consistent dam

[bleak chasm]

imagine saying race matters in 2021 t r i g e r r e d

[distant crystal]

sometimes you get to top meters with light's reck

[patent osprey]

Race matters 🙂 @bleak chasm Vulpera club

[chilly brook]

And spear is just really damage since you're almost never going to get the use of the tether outside of specific packs that like to jump around

[bleak chasm]

aww

haha

anyways, thanks boys

[distant crystal]

@chilly brook i mean those specific packs it's giga tho eh

or like any time you'd wanna kite without screwing over the flame patchers

[chilly brook]

You're gonna pop it at the start of a pull

[distant crystal]

but idk how kyrian works idk if you wanna be in melee blasting during it

[chilly brook]

Which is when you're not kiting

[distant crystal]

i just know it makes me sad in pvp when it's on me

https://tenor.com/v5jh.gif

[kindred pewter]

just tehter them in flame patche ez

[ionic fern]

Can confirm.
Just use it on CD at the start of packs.

😂

FOr damage and Rage.

[chilly brook]

Which is why the tether largely is a meme in pve

[sleek timber]

So what's better in the end when you are doing higher keys and Raiding?

[distant crystal]

but man those pulls in the plague section of ToP

sounds amazing

don't have to screech at the ranged for not stacking

[chilly brook]

Realistically? Whichever fills the gap you need to fill

[distant crystal]

and those disengage bois in SoA

[ionic fern]

If you're seriously-seriously pushing then Kyrian. Just due to the fact that DPS'ers/Healers are not Kyrians more than likely.

Otherwise i'd say NF.

[chilly brook]

Disengage bois go whichever direction you're facing

You can game them into disengaging into a wall 2 feet behind them

[distant crystal]

or you can just toss down a spear and do a 360

:D

[chilly brook]

Sure but what do you do when that 8 seconds is over and they disengage again

[patent osprey]

vortex

[chilly brook]

Oof

Trruuuuuueeee

[amber herald]

you can tank them so they jump into the other side of the stairs

I've never managed it though they always just fuck off in whatever direction they want

[patent osprey]

What i have been doing recently, is I pull the 1 jump with the 3 lizard birds + the 3 pack of jumpers. I then LOS. when they get near, I do a 360 no scope with my spear to root them all

and when their cd is up we vortex

[tall pelican]

sounds pretty pog

[torn gust]

love teh 360 no scope part :y

[amber herald]

kyrian the last cov you're trying out?

[patent osprey]

Ive tried all of them at this point @amber herald ^.^ done the world tour

I will now be whatever cov fits best with the people im playing with and then when patch 9.1 comes around, Ill be whatever cov is bis for Dps raiding 🙂

[fossil sparrow]

just 3 more patches til cov restrctions are gone

[tall pelican]

gonna focus on dps for 9.1 or still prot god for m+?

[mighty valley]

can't really predict what 9.1 looks like!

i mean i'll be prot no matter how things shake out, but if you wanna play meta stuff, just have to wait for ptr

[tall pelican]

yeah thats fair

[mighty valley]

meta chasing will drive you mad eventually

just stick with whatever's fun to you and make it work

[tall pelican]

been really digging prot, glad that the perception of it has gotten better

usually the problem with wow ive found

[mighty valley]

yeah i'm spoiled by a guild of friends

don't need to deal with meta-brain community much

[quiet zinc]

how big is the difference between Ravager, Into the Fray and Unstoppable Force?

[sweet summit]

dps wise?

[strong forum]

in what situation

cuz you can just sim it

[quiet zinc]

well just overall

[distant crystal]

it's about... [ ] yay big

[quiet zinc]

I kinda dislike the point and click aoe abilities like ravager so if I dont lose too much going another direction I'd love to skip it

[sweet summit]

in m+ you lose too much

[quiet zinc]

cant hold aggro?

[sweet summit]

you can

[modern brook]

Cant do damage

[sweet summit]

thats not the point tho

the amazing rage gen from ravager

[quiet zinc]

true

[modern brook]

It's like going to a pool party without a swimsuit

[sweet summit]

itf cant compete with that both offensively and defensively in m+

[quiet zinc]

sounds like fun tho @modern brook

[modern brook]

Like yeah u can be there still but eveyone thinks you're a dork

Or a creep depending on your solution

Either way just bring a swimsuit 4head

[inland raft]

You dont go to pool parties in a 5k suit?

[quiet zinc]

well, yea thanks for the replies 🙂 guess I'll stick with a swimsuit on then

[pastel turtle]

Thoughts on the viability of Necrolord at end game these days?

[strong forum]

bro sludge

with reprisal

is so comfy

charge on every colossal rage

[sweet summit]

ya

it

owns

[strong forum]

so fucking good

holy shit

[sweet summit]

free 100% block all the time

[manic haven]

who does more damage, altimor or barghast?

im 197 doing a heroic raid

[strong forum]

barghast cuz of his rip soul

[sweet summit]

all covenants are perfectly viable for us

[strong forum]

does he even do that on heroic?

[manic haven]

can be mitigated with ignore pain and spell reflect yeah?

he does

[strong forum]

ye IP, SW and SR

Demo works too

[manic haven]

whats SW?

ah nvm

[strong forum]

havent done heroic in 3 months so idk what does what

[past grove]

SR works??

[strong forum]

The dmg reduction does

Not the reflect

[marble lantern]

Thought it's NF / Kyr or bust?

[strong forum]

For cool people yes

But all 4 will get the job done

And have different benefits

[past grove]

Aah just checked wowhead for it now. Once again, tooltips not showing all the information..

[strong forum]

Pretty sure it says it's grant 20% magic dmg reduction for 5sec on the tooltip

[marble lantern]

Reprisal on legs or feet?

[strong forum]

Legs

Unless you can get slg mythic legs

[plush tendon]

Ive played Necro, Kyrian, and now NF. By far the most fun has been NF. All are viable, but NF has been my favorite, even though I love Necrolord aestics

[glossy needle]

As someone who plays exclusively in m+, fury AND prot..which cov would you guys take as an allrounder

[plush tendon]

NF

[strong forum]

NF

100%

[plush tendon]

im on the bandwagon

[strong forum]

It's bis pumper covenant

[plush tendon]

[strong forum]

For fury it's bis in m+ and very very good for prot aswell

[sick sentinel]

talk me out of switching from kyrian to NF on a 1-day old fresh 60????

[short kiln]

I feel like not enough people have gotten the memo...

[sturdy trench]

why would u be anything but nightfae

NF is brokerino

[torn gust]

NF hella fun

[plush tendon]

I wont, go do it

[sturdy trench]

prot warrs actually think theyre in the correct covenant for tanking lol

[plush tendon]

lots of people are Kyrian because they want to fill Kyrian dungeon buff. But if you pick in a vaccum without taking that into account, NF would see a huge swing

[glossy needle]

Kyrian dungeon buffs suck dick anyway

[sturdy trench]

++

[sweet summit]

what

[sturdy trench]

only NW mb

[sweet summit]

youre trolling

[sick sentinel]

i actually dont even like the responsibility of kyrian dungeon buff

[plush tendon]

they are strong

[short kiln]

Oh obv. I've been fortunate enough to run with my friends who took Kyrian RetPal, and Venthyr Resto Shaman.

[mighty valley]

spires spears are pretty great

[plush tendon]

^

[short kiln]

so me running NF has been great

[plush tendon]

yea, i run with a Kyrian HPal, Venthyr rogues, not a lot of necrolords yet though

[short kiln]

I get lucky with NL UHDKs often.

[mighty valley]

i'm so happy when i have abom limb in the group

[short kiln]

makes Pumping much easier

but yeah, between those and trees, I have lots of instant outs if I need them

[glossy needle]

Do trees get the mobs off you when inspired?

Treants that is

[strong forum]

No

[pallid laurel]

no

[bold viper]

So what is the rotation while using reprisal? Regarding block uptime. Is it worth taking double time or is that much block too much to be practical?

[short kiln]

more block time equals more revenges really

so there's no such thing as too much

that's how I see it anyway

[bold viper]

So charge, intervene, then use charges or ?

Block charges*

[sick sentinel]

maybe a dumb question but i'm new... how do you best use intervene? or are you supposed to just be running around like a maniac in the middle of killing a pull?

[ancient pasture]

intervene someone in melee range

[glossy needle]

And shout IRL while doing so

[ancient pasture]

wont hardly move at all, and u'll still get the reprisal proc

[glossy needle]

The warrior way

[bold viper]

I'm going to go with charge, intervene, then spend rage for block. Maybe leap out and charge back in for the 3rd block. That is a lot of utility to blow though so maybe not. I've yet to craft it, looks very fun though

[arctic wasp]

got my reprisal, wall, thunderlord and signet to 4, seismic next maybe :O?, i'm not sure i'm even going ot use it hahah

[quaint onyx]

Craft seismic and pump

[arctic wasp]

sounds like i could use it in a 15 easily

[bold viper]

Since you're able to spend more rage on damage with reprisal how does it compare to reverberation?

[cinder skiff]

My understanding is to aim for a 80% up time on shield block, maybe I am wrong.

[regal quartz]

I'm coming from maining blood dk, any general tanking tips as a warrior? I made my shield block and ignore pain macro already lol

[arctic wasp]

honestly, shield block uptime is not a good measure imo, in raiding situation you can have 50 % and be perfectly fine, depending on the fight, in m+, you always want SB active unless you are facing only casters, in bosses you want SB for mechanics mostly too, and fill your gaps with IP or Demo cry, you dont just use SB for uptime just for the sake of having the buff

is better to use SB smartly than just blindly, also if you have no stacks lefts and you buff is about to expire, is a good indicator you need to kite

[cinder skiff]

Makes sense

[arctic wasp]

in some cases is better to take a few small swings without SB in order to have it avaialble for the big swing , that's part of understanding how the damage is coming to you

[cinder skiff]

Only tank m+

[signal plover]

It's 80% effective uptime, not actual buff uptime

Effective meaning you're blocking blockable attacks

[arctic wasp]

yeah, in that case, makes sense then

[signal plover]

And that's with reprisal in m+ and only a general "aim" value. other values kinda vary depending on content, dungeon (even route)

Basically if you're hitting that effective number your dmg intake should feel very smooth

[copper lava]

Yeah something I need to work on is when it gets more hectic I spam SB and waste it vs holding it a few secs for better effective time vs standard uptime

[languid flower]

So you can charge in, leap away, charge in again, wait for charge cd and then intervene to ranged and charge back in again, wait for charge cd then soulshape away and charge back in again, wait for CD and leap away... it can be kinda fun

[signal plover]

Good thing about that is there's usually melee swings happening when things are hectic.

[signal plover]

This is only rly possible with double time and not rly necessary

But can certainly be a way to do it yeh

[copper lava]

Is there a possibility for a wa that shows just the closest melee and or marks them?

For intervene that is

[signal plover]

Just focus any melee imo

And then focus intervene

[copper lava]

Fair

[signal plover]

Don't over think it

If u use a focus kick macro then mouse over is prolly the next best method

Bit of a personal pref imo

[copper lava]

Yeah I do

[languid flower]

I use charge and intervene on the same button - intervene with mod key, charge normally

[copper lava]

Use tbe focus kick macro I mean

[languid flower]

it's a lengthy priority list of target selection, and I'm not 100% satisfied, but it works in 98% of the situations.

[signal plover]

Most ppl have a one button macro for charge/intervene yeh

[copper lava]

I have clique for mouseover for it

Think I need to just move party frames

[languid flower]

I want to do @targettarget if that's not me, but I can't figure out the "if not me" part using just conditionals

and I don't want to learn lua just for that

[signal plover]

I mean in the end it's one button

Ppl overthink things

[orchid sand]

Heres one of several macros ill use #showtooltip
/cast [mod:alt,@focus] [@mouseover,help,nodead] [help] [@targettarget,help,nodead] [] Intervene

If you were holding the alt key then:
Cast Intervene on the unit saved as your focus target

Else, if the unit your mouse is currently over is a friend and is not dead then:
Cast Intervene on the unit your mouse is currently over

Else, if the currently targeted unit is a friend then:
Cast Intervene on the currently targeted unit

Else, if the currently targeted unit's currently targeted unit is a friend and is not dead then:
Cast Intervene on the currently targeted unit's currently targeted unit

Otherwise:
Cast Intervene on the currently targeted unit

[signal plover]

Case in point

[languid flower]

the problem with that macro is the 2nd to last conditional

[copper lava]

I should be planning on using intervene ahead of time vs waiting until SB is almost on cd and dropped. So gives me time to mouse over. Overthinking it when I should be preplanning it

[signal plover]

The SB buff extends

[languid flower]

[@targettarget, help, nodead] would be true for a monster attacking you. the spell fails because you can't intervene yourself

[signal plover]

And it's only 4 secs

[languid flower]

Yeah, you can get like 30 seconds of shield block at one time

[signal plover]

Prolly get more value outta just hitting on CD than thinking of complex scenarios.

[languid flower]

it just stacks

[signal plover]

Caps out at 18s psure

[crisp dragon]

With Bolster u can do 25 I think

[signal plover]

Yeh

But you can do 30s consecutive

Since it's ticking down as you refresh so semantics

[orchid sand]

#showtooltip
/cast [mod:alt,@focus] [@mouseover,nodead][] Intervene
If you were holding the alt key then:
Cast Intervene on the unit saved as your focus target

Else, if the unit your mouse is currently over is not dead then:
Cast Intervene on the unit your mouse is currently over

Otherwise:
Cast Intervene on the currently targeted unit

[languid flower]

if you figure out how to do the targettarget thing, please let me know.

[cinder skiff]

In a key today, I had one melee a ret pally, I would intervene him and he was always 15 yards away. Tonclose to charge back..

[orchid sand]

@languid flower I just tested it with pary member and targeted his target and i intervened party member. did you mean the conditional wouldnt work if i was in combat with mob also?

that might not work your right

[languid flower]

Actually, this one is simple enough that targettarget works fine here. IF you have a party member targeted, it will try to intervene them. if you don't, it will either intervene the boss's target or no one at all.

I was trying to use both targettarget and mouseovertarget, so it was a bit more complicated and I need a way to test for self.

the idea being that I'm targetting the boss, but an add breaks free and starts attacking a healer. I mouseover the general area around the healer and intervene. if I've mousedover the healer, it works. if I got the add, it still works. But I wanted that to be a lower priority than the boss (if they both break free)

the reason for the priority being there's a good chance I may accidentally mouseover a healer and don't want to intervene whoever they are healing when I'm trying to save the boss's target

[limber galleon]

leveling my warrior, I honestly can't pick between NF and Kyrian, both seem really cool

save me xD

[sweet summit]

1 is kyrian
2 is night fae

now

/roll 2

[short kiln]

flip a coin, you'll know what to pick when it's in the air

[limber galleon]

/roll 2

ha in game

[chilly brook]

Night fae

Duh

[limber galleon]

why do i keep getting bamboozled like this

😄

[mystic ridge]

big

[chilly brook]

There is no competition

Just night fae

Be a winter queen simp

[sweet summit]

[limber galleon]

but what about kleia

[chilly brook]

Kleia sucks

Bad soulbind

[limber galleon]

kleia simping is :chefkiss:

[chilly brook]

[sweet summit]

u suck

[chilly brook]

Am I wrong?

Kleia is like only useful once every so often

[limber galleon]

who's talking about soulbind, i'm talking about simping

[chilly brook]

Kleia a weirdo

[kindred pewter]

bro emeni is so hot

[silver crane]

Yo guyz

Best race for a prot war?

[kindred pewter]

mechagnome

[silver crane]

Because....?

Odd answer, wasnt expecting that hehe

Now i’m curious

[sweet summit]

mechagnome is great for dps

cos mainstat steroid

[mighty valley]

the differences between races are pretty tiny overall

[sweet summit]

if youre ally i recommend dwarf tho

[kindred pewter]

full answer is that race doesnt matter, its only ever a <1% difference in damage. Otherwise, dwarf has the best racials for tanking

all races have their benefits tho, play what u want, it doesnt matter

[autumn pendant]

/roll

[sick sentinel]

should i yell at my m+ team to cc hard for necrotic?

i feel like i should

[autumn pendant]

yell at them to help you kite

[floral pewter]

Having someone taunt unsnareable mobs when they're going to catch up to you is good

[sick sentinel]

A human sacrifice! why didnt i think of that?

[noble nacelle]

[cloud tide]

guys

how is necro in raid

[noble nacelle]

[unreal sequoia]

gonna be tanking on my warrior now, focusing on M+ for now. Currently venthyr for pvp, should I be looking to switch? Any advice hopping into it? Only tanked on paladin before

[noble nacelle]

All covs are fine for prot

Build Reprisal

[silver crane]

Ok, i rolled a dwarf. Thankssss

[limber galleon]

I don’t think it makes a huge difference but if you wanted to lean on small advantages, going Kyrian is actually a good idea for the phial

I’m leaning towards it, even though my pally and monk also both Kyrian but well

It’s a second (and free) healing potion and it clears necrotic stacks which is arguably one of the most annoying affix for tanks

[waxen cradle]

Agreed if playing Alliance as a Warrior either reg dwarf or DiDwarf feels really good

There is arguement for which is better, Stoneform or Fireblood, I really like Fireblood for the bonus strength ya get

[sturdy sable]

Yeah but

[robust surge]

which cape enchant is best homies

leech avoidance or straight stam

[obtuse prism]

I'm trying to figure out how bad I am and I'm looking at my logs and blocked %s in de other side - for meleee I get like 56% but overall it shows only like 20% so im a bit confused

is it cuz its a magic heavy dungeon or cuz im special and cant read graphs

[mighty valley]

can you share the log?

[obtuse prism]

might have some other crap in it aswell

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/txdFAkzKgb8qLn4j/

[mighty valley]

yeah that blocked melee percentage is the important one

what legendary you running?

[obtuse prism]

reprisal

[mighty valley]

hmm you could be getting better block uptime then

[obtuse prism]

it should be about 80% right?

[mighty valley]

can be if you're working pretty hard

i think the main thing here is you wasted a lot of rage by overcapping

i think you could be slamming revenge more

[obtuse prism]

that I know - but I'm a scardie cat and want to be able to pop sb/ib better so I hoard my rage

but maybe thats the problem

[mighty valley]

it's fine to hold onto ~30 rage to make sure you can shield block when it comes up but there's no reason to stay high

IP is off GDC so if you're approaching 100, just hit it

but you're already pressing IP probably more than necessary, so I think it's revenge casts that are lacking

[obtuse prism]

ok

I'll focus on dam then :)

[mighty valley]

mm hmm - you can put thunderclap on a lower priority than you have it now i think

[mossy peak]

generally, once you have met the survivability check of your given content, you want to be doing something else - guardian might off heal or boomie convoke or just cat/chicken weave, but for us, we press revenge

once you're alive, dps

with reprisal in keys we can do pretty decent damage, it isn't the highest, but it's not shabby

there's no bonus for over-surviving

[obtuse prism]

fair point

so in short - improve sb uptime and use more revenge?

[mighty valley]

also it looks like no one in your group was kicking lol

[obtuse prism]

I'm a simple minded person

[mossy peak]

warrior is pretty simple

keep up shield block, grit your teeth, clap cheeks

[obtuse prism]

ok, interrupts should be added to that then :)

[mighty valley]

every shadowcore was hitting you for 11k

that shouldn't all be on you though

[obtuse prism]

well i mostly pug

so its mostly on me

[mighty valley]

heh

might as well try saying "please interrupt shadowcore" in chat and see if anything happens

[obtuse prism]

I can definetly try :)

well I got stuff I need to improve on :)

thanks guys <3

[floral pewter]

SB uptime will partly come from Charging and Intervening a lot more

with Reprisal, you have to kind of look for opportunities to do it in combat

intervene out/charge back in is one easy way

[mighty valley]

you can start by just finding a comfortable way to intervene a melee

like a mouseover macro

[obtuse prism]

i had the dh on focus and was intervening him but I might have forgotten quite a few

[mossy peak]

i have it on a mouseover and i set a melee as focus

making it real easy to hit basically on cd without even moving

you can also weave charges in mid pack whenever a mob is casting, or if you leap away for natural reasons

a casting mob will be stationary long enough for you to walk a few feet away and charge back

without changing the pack's positioning much at all

[obtuse prism]

can i turn around to do that?

[mossy peak]

dont turn around

[mighty valley]

try to strafe

[obtuse prism]

ok

[mossy peak]

strafe always

there is no reason you should ever turn your back to anything that's currently attacking you

that's tank 101

[obtuse prism]

ok, so I strafe away and charge back in - is it ok if some mobs start following me so they move out of the stack slightly?

[mossy peak]

you don't need to go very far

the mobs should not be moving significantly

[obtuse prism]

ok

[mossy peak]

the minimum range on charge is like 8 yards or something

with 5 being standard melee

[obtuse prism]

oh

that i didnt know

ok I'll try to improve on that

[mossy peak]

maybe it's 10 yards, i'd have to look, whatever the case very easy to just strafe out a wee bit

[obtuse prism]

8-25, i just checked

[mossy peak]

while you don't have to go completely nuts with reprisal, it does strongly encourage you to be using charge and intervene when possible, keeping them roughly on cooldown with circumstances permitting

charge itself and double time can be harder to weave without fucking up positioning so

you charge when you can

rather what i mean is, taking double time can be kind of tricky/pointless

[mighty valley]

the other secret to good block uptime is good dps

[obtuse prism]

so double time is bad then?

[mossy peak]

it's not bad, but it can also just sit there not doing anything

it's up to you

[obtuse prism]

I mean my interrupting is already bad meaning my hammer would mostly stay there unused

[mossy peak]

it's between it and the bolt, that's just entirely your call

[obtuse prism]

ok

[manic haven]

in raids, do i try to keep up ignore pain as much as possible or revenge unless a big hit is coming?

[mossy peak]

depends

as i mentioned earlier, you need to know if you're going to be ok on survival, which will only come from doing that fight

play cautious at first

and then get more ballsy as you are more confident

there's no bonus to over-surviving

[manic haven]

i'm mostly just learning protection. already did all fights in heroic with my brew

[mossy peak]

just play cautious at first and focus more on ignore pain, and then once you know how well you can survive at what moments

you can ease off and use revenge more

[manic haven]

cool

[mossy peak]

obviously when i say survive i mean without undue stress on the healers

[manic haven]

basically as longa s i dont die revenge > ignore pain

aight

[mossy peak]

i wouldn't go that far, a death can be very slow

[mighty valley]

there will be a lot of times where your rage income is high and you might as well siphon some off with IP

eventually, that'll be as much as you need

[mossy peak]

also keep in mind shield block is way more important than either

don't lose block uptime because you spent too much rage on other things

[manic haven]

yeah i usually keep 80% shield block uptime

[mighty valley]

yes - max shield block uptime while you're being attacked is goal no 1

[open gazelle]

Is thunderclap spam back for m+?

Saw we had some changes made to us been gone for two months

[spring umbra]

when did they add the knock back to intervene?

[sweet summit]

ravager is still better

[spring umbra]

works every gd time in pugs...without fail

[sweet summit]

there is no knockback on intervene?

[mossy peak]

are you thinking of that pvp talent

[spring umbra]

lmao every time i intervene a puggy for reprisal they step back like they did something bad

[sweet summit]

xd

[spring umbra]

EVERY time

[sturdy sable]

Ignore pain will never save your life don't lean on it like it will

It's more to smooth our damage intake or try to cover magic damage/dots

[hot oxide]

anybody have a quick SS of night fae soulbind? trying to figure out which is best for mythic+

went to the guides resources, and i'm blind

never mind

[bright salmon]

Does SB mitigate necrotic?

[lament violet]

Can someone point me in the right direction of a good talent build for M+

[sweet summit]

no

[sweet summit]

devastator-storm bolt-best served cold-indomitable-ravager-anger management
assuming you play with reprisal legendary

[lament violet]

next week i will

[lament violet]

What about the 35 tier?

[sweet summit]

bounding stride or crackling thunder

[lament violet]

@sweet summit also what should stats be around?

[sweet summit]

item level>haste>vers>crit=mastery

[lament violet]

ilvl over everything?

alright

[deep shadow]

Haste cap is 30% if I’m not wrong 😅

[snow tusk]

why ravager with reprisal and not into the fray?

[hot oxide]

am I the only 1 laughing that pvp gear is so good for us?

[sweet summit]

burst of rage for more revenge/aggro/IP on a low CD

[snow tusk]

for raid as well as m+?

[lament violet]

okay i need to rework my stats then

[hot oxide]

wait till you get those convoke and combustion peeps and you'll be like "Ok..I get it"...

[sweet summit]

sim it for raid tbh

[lament violet]

@sweet summit Also for cov, i been debating on swapping cov's

from kyrian to Necro

[sweet summit]

why

[hot oxide]

when does I lvl trump stats? at a +3 or +5?

[sweet summit]

depends on slot

[haughty sleet]

Any mythic slg tips up in here

[sturdy sable]

You have alot of downtime during casts don't waste block charges

[noble nacelle]

I got a 207 crit mastery ring from top. Do I use that or my 194 haste/ring

[trim bay]

Cirt mastery Ilvl over stats

[sick sentinel]

when you cast ancient aftershock, are you supposed to push the mobs back a bit? it feels like the blue stuff on ground ends up slightly behind the pack if you cast it directly in front of you, if that makes sense. or am i just seeing things?

[fringe marten]

? I only remember using it during the leveling process..but..it's blasting out an arc in 'front' of you where you cast it; so if you're hugged up on mobs you're gonna cast it, floor them immediately from the KD and then the blue effect will be starting from you and their position..going backward behind them...they should still be IN it though.

@hot oxide No you're not wrong; versatility is excellent for pretty much everyone, that isn't any less true for tanks..if possibly even MORE so since we constantly get value from the damage reduction as well. But you can get versatility from pve as well; so it's not the only source of versa for us.

[marsh yacht]

hi guys. I am running necrolord in duengons and i was looking at buff uptime and i noticed no one got my conquerors banner, at least in the logs. anyone know if this is buggy?

[sweet summit]

it shows on logs but not with details ive found

[versed bough]

What are the limits of intervene

?*

[trim bay]

@sweet summit how come we use Storm bolt over double time for that row? with reprisal wouldnt the extra charge be the way to go? is is the extra stun in keys that viable?

[sweet summit]

viable? its life saving

[trim bay]

probably explains why i die

lool

[sweet summit]

probably doesnt

[trim bay]

rekt

[solar crown]

I think plka explained it pretty well in his recent video. Recommend checking it out

[trim bay]

@solar crown cheers for that. awesome video.

[solar crown]

No problem :)

It actually could be pinned here, as it answers a lot of FAQ

[quiet crane]

Definitely isn’t @trim bay I can tank 15s at 190 prot is stupid tanky, it’s be gameplay

[brave adder]

which soul bind should i go for if i do m+ as a kyrian prot warrior

[ionic fern]

Pelagos.

[chilly brook]

Pepegos is the only option for Kyrian tbh

Kleia maybe on necrotic

[brave adder]

ty u

[chilly brook]

Theres a sheet

In the pins

[trim bay]

@quiet crane it was a joke.

nothing goes over my head i would catch it

[cosmic mantle]

Havent found that, would love if someone had that, all I can recommend is getting plater profile that shows who is being targeted by a cast, then atleast you can spell reflect if a mob you arent targeting directly is casting on you.

[sweet summit]

https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker

most casts are added by default i think

take a read at the description

[orchid token]

What's the current state of ignore pain vs Revenge priority

[sweet summit]

its mostly just IP to avoid overcapping rage

[orchid token]

Assuming a prog environment where you're trying to do as much damage as possible without opening up risk of death

[sweet summit]

and revenge on everything else

[orchid token]

So ignore pain has dropped a fair bit in potency since bfa

[sweet summit]

its more the fact that you actually want to spend rage on revenge now compared to BFA

in BFA your builders did damage

like SS and TC

now its all revenge and SS

[strong forum]

IP was your only rage dump in bfa

With revenge not being worth the global often times

Now, revenge is our main rage and offensive spender and main dmg button in aoe

[orchid token]

so you'd expect that even in a high damage situation like sire P3 you'd still be spending a significant amount of rage on revenge, and the small amount of required healing reduction in using more ignore pain isn't worth it

[strong forum]

In that case execute, but yeah

[sweet summit]

id imagine you use IP more in P3 denny

at least if youre not the chad covenant of venthyr

[orchid token]

And is warrior in a state where high DPS and good defensive execution go hand in hand? Ie, will a warrior playing well defensively pretty much always be doing well numbers wise

And vice versa?

[sweet summit]

can you re-phrase that

i dont really understand the question

you obv sacrifice ""survival"" in favour of dps by pressing revenge over ignore pain

[fluid compass]

does reprisal proc the exta 50% dmg on revenge from best served cold?

[strong forum]

Yes

[sweet summit]

yea

[strong forum]

Yes

[fluid compass]

i thought so, but the talent is worded weird

[strong forum]

Every tank does Necrys

If you play well, you will automatically get 90+ parses

And take less dmg than a warrior that blue or green logs

[potent crypt]

i have good parses on healing but my dps is a joke

[strong forum]

Healing parses are a meme

[orchid token]

For sure but different tanks to different degrees, and naturally it varies expansion to expansion where each tank sits along that line of how much alike their damage and survival rotations are

So I was curious where warrior currently sits on th at line

[sweet summit]

warrior is for sure on the wrong end this xpac imo

[orchid token]

which is the wrong end for you just curious lol

[sweet summit]

^

oh

sorry im tired

[strong forum]

It's 10 am

[sweet summit]

i havent slept

i am not a fan of having a spender as our main damage button

[orchid token]

For context like many guilds we're considering running a warrior for next tier but it will involve recruiting one and since I haven't played warrior since season 2 of last expansion I thought id better brush up on how to accurately evaluate the people I looked at

sometimes it's true that the way to get good damage logs and the way to stay alive are the same rotation, and sometimes it's not

[sweet summit]

its basically the same thing, like the ability priority is the same

[strong forum]

Rn it's literally just IP vs Revenge

[sweet summit]

its just how much you lean into revenge/execute compared to IP

[strong forum]

You use it how you see fit

[orchid token]

My general rule of thumb is that any good tank should always be getting at least purple, but that getting very high parses in a lower rank guild can be a bad sign

Just wasn't sure to what degree that applied to warrior at the moment

[sweet summit]

i agree with that statement

[strong forum]

The only real difference that should be seen is IP vs Revenge casts

[sweet summit]

but i dont understand the "high parses in lower rank guild being a bad sign"

[ionic fern]

It's throughout the majority of the classes like that tho.

Warriors was just a outliner thus far.

[sweet summit]

bear?

[ionic fern]

"Majority".

[sweet summit]

yaya

[strong forum]

I like having the option of offensive spender

Tbh

Makes the rotation a bit more engaging and the risk reward structure play a bigger role

[sweet summit]

oh i agree, the option should be there

[strong forum]

Although I think the best comparisons between pwars can be drawn between floody and sense

Floody does not care about his dmg output at all

[orchid token]

In my experience in lower rank guilds you generally can't rely as much on your healers and for a tank that chooses between offence and defence in a significant way, choosing offence can lead to a risk of death. So if someone has really high damage logs but a few deaths a night that's always a red flag

[strong forum]

Whereas sense does slap hard

[orchid token]

so I was curious whether the Revenge v ignore pain comparison was significant enough for warriors to meaningfully affect your chances of death or not

[strong forum]

Shouldn't

[sweet summit]

nah something else should have to go wrong for that to be the deciding factor

[ionic fern]

Revenge Vs SB is.
Revenge vs IP is w/e in most situations.

[orchid token]

If using a bunch of ignore pain is just a minor thing that pads out ehrps but doesn't really move the needle on whether you live or die, then high damage parses are a good sign

because you definitely don't want someone who just throws out ignore pain because they think it's making them more tanky if it's actually having no real impact

[strong forum]

Yeah in that case spamming away ignore pains isn't gonna decide your survival, its treated as defensive rage dump, nothing that's actually gonna make you properly tanky

[orchid token]

You see some weird stuff in lower rank guild logs, like a death to a fifth cast of evasive lunge

[strong forum]

5 stacks

Wtf

[sweet summit]

just block it 4head

[orchid token]

it's hard for me to evaluate as a druid because I feel like even in that scenario I wouldn't die, but that's druid

[strong forum]

Why would you take 5 stacks that just seems dumb 3 at most if you forgot to swap for a few seconds cuz so much going on

[orchid token]

weird deaths like that are hard to evaluate because on the one hand it's not like it's unexpected, you can see it coming from a mile away and know you're going to be hit by the 5th stack, but if your other tank consistently doesn't taunt when they should eventually you run out of ways to survive it

yes exactly yet here we are

[strong forum]

Could live that with SW + IP up

But no clue, never went above 3

I have no clue how hard it actually hits

[unreal scarab]

smb else feel like a traitor when switching covenants?

[ionic fern]

Nope.

They are all supposed to be best buddies and working together and then yell at you for swapping away from them.

[unreal scarab]

[ionic fern]

Smh

[unreal scarab]

just wanted to give the fairy Prot a go, but know i m scared that Draka will yell at me

[ionic fern]

Just let me change Covenants as i go please.

SoA/NW? Aight, lemme swap to Kyrian.
Anything else? Aight, lemme go back to NF.

kkty

[unreal scarab]

ye i have not a single NF and also wanted to switch around a little. but they tend to be so passiv aggressive about it 😄

[ionic fern]

I just want to swap Covenants like i swap Talents.

😦

[unreal scarab]

Ohma gosh! You

[ionic fern]

Hei..they should be paying me to have me in their Covenant not me begging them to take me.

[unreal scarab]

[unreal scarab]

But you say just fun wise you re having a blast with NF? I mainly stay necrotic for my idea of support and the armor 😂

[ionic fern]

Yes, i'm having a blast with NF.

Necro so far has been the most boring one for me personally. 👀

[unreal scarab]

Ye I feel you. It is a nice idea but doesn’t bring anything to your toolkit I feel. Cheers bud. Gonna switch my covenants like my underpants (once a patch) and blasting away with y fairyboy!

[ionic fern]

Welcome to the good life.

[unreal scarab]

[analog raft]

NF is good for prot ? I change to that last week 🙂

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[fallow iron]

It took 30ish runs of DoS but I finally got the scale trinket Woo

[surreal sinew]

[fallow iron]

Side effect: I've gotten very good at tanking DoS

[unreal scarab]

I feel like DOS is giving us a lot of damage in the big packs before the wings.

[ionic fern]

In general it's just rotating CD's for each pack and having solid DPS'ers who actually interrupt.

Those packs go to hell if if they take too long and/or if no one is interrupting.

[prisma bear]

stop bullying necro

its plenty fun

[ionic fern]

👀

[prisma bear]

[blazing condor]

also people only interrupting scribe whilst 3 shadowcores go off

[mental scarab]

[sick sentinel]

Now there´s such hype about prot that I even have guildies with decent RIO, (casters mainly) that think that we are supposed to facetank those packs easily, "just spam ignore pain"

[blazing condor]

🤔

shadowcore hits for like 35k a cast idk what you want me to do chief

people back-seat gaming classes/roles they have no idea about are always good fun

[sick sentinel]

Just sharing my pain :). There´s really not much to do if no cds or interrupts up, we just have to run

[mental scarab]

Yea bad players are what depleting keys, not wrong classes

[sick sentinel]

agree

[mental scarab]

Some abilitys that makes DH hp go down to 10% we just laugh at🤷🏼

Block is super strong But in some areas we cant compete

[blazing condor]

yeah i was just agreeing with you i know your pain all too well lol. Maybe couldve worded it better

[glacial flint]

but at the same time DH can do up to ~8k hps in spikes ^^ and we cant.

[mental scarab]

Yea stupid class😂😂

But i like the midigation on warriors more then VDH and prot paladin🤷🏼 smoother

And healers like that

And the best spell in the game

SR

[unreal scarab]

oh it is fun! also the armor is hands down my absolute favorite for warri. But i kinda feel that sometimes i just miss a little bit of smth in my toolkit. if it is smth to kite. or the masssilence i just can imagine so many scenarios in my head where i was running for my life thinking maaaan i wish i had smth like that.

[unique shale]

Give venthyr some love

[prisma bear]

i recommend the emeni fleshcraft while moving trait, amazing

i love it for fleshcraft, the banner is just a bonus

makes me more comfortable in dungeons with bosses that would make me not want to go there sometimes otherwise

[glacial flint]

but u get a shitty defensiv conduit even more.

[paper flower]

i forgot i was prot spec on SLG so.. yeah , hello fellow prot warriors i guess

guess i craft reprisal if i wanna start blasting some M+ as prot , right

[glacial flint]

nice. thinking about changing lootspecc to. but my raid suck hard on 2nd intermission still :X

[strong forum]

Gib that shield

[paper flower]

gib danny weapon i gib shield

[strong forum]

Gladly

I'll come back to you in a few months

[misty salmon]

hey guys. whats the best legendary for raiding/m+ ?

[ionic fern]

Reprisal/The Wall.
Both work in both.

[sick sentinel]

gl on your vaults today

[strong forum]

Didn't even do a weekly

Fuark

[amber herald]

worth it

[prisma bear]

our potencys are all awful past the first

[pallid cradle]

ey guys do u guys think kyrian is the way to go (for m+) or ppl will start swapping over to necro

[strong forum]

People are actually swapping away from necro after initially swapping to it

But the pins explain it a bit

[finite night]

was going to ask the same thing but i can see its very situational

[strong forum]

Basically, unless you have a comp and strategy specifically built around banner, its not worth it and will result in a dps loss.

Ontop of that hardly anyone is kyrian so you will miss out on the kyrian dungeon buffs

[finite night]

how easy is it to switch covenant?

[strong forum]

Very

Just takes time to grind the renown back

[finite night]

(im new rto sl if u hadnt realised)

ahh yeah

[strong forum]

Yeah then don't bother going necro

[finite night]

Kryian?

[strong forum]

Necro is not worth unless you literally push world first content

And even then its debatable

[amber herald]

kyrian is the best choice without giving it any though I'd say

it's like b+ across the board

[finite night]

A+ being?

[strong forum]

Kyrian is the best overall choice, very good for raiding

[amber herald]

NF but it has negatives too

for m+ I mean

[finite night]

ah

Well id rather be rounded

[strong forum]

NF is A+ imo, kyrian is S+

Tbhlad

[finite night]

Krian seems a no brainer then

[gaunt crane]

should I upgrade my 203 bloodspattered scale or my 207 shield? I read shield is most important item for warrior right?

[strong forum]

Generally is

[strong forum]

Shield

[gaunt crane]

thanks 🙂

i'll wait till tomorrow maybe I get a better one in vault 😄

[finite night]

So whats reguarded as a good IO score nowadays?

i had 1390 in last expan but i've lost a sense of whats good and bad

[solid cairn]

More than 0 is good

[finite night]

kk set bar high then lol

[amber herald]

1300 is probably high average

I think 1300 is ksm, so around there

[pallid cradle]

Ty @strong forum ^^ im planning on rerolling to warr prot cause i dislike vdh and its the second best tank so... Haha

[solid cairn]

And after it s just better

[finite night]

Thanks for everyones help

[solar crown]

Isnt bears supposedly the 2nd best tank? Arent they like insanely beefy now

[pallid cradle]

They are tanky but doesnt apport that much damage

[amber herald]

There isn't really a consensus other than bear/vdh/prot warr are top 3

better or worse who knows

and even that's probably bullshit, monks are pretty good

[solar crown]

Thought bears were 2nd in terms of damage.. maybe things change the next week

[finite night]

whats next week?

[pallid cradle]

Nah they dl large amounts of damage cause they can do big pulls

And dont die cause of their legendary

[solar crown]

Im eu so reset is tomorrow. Just thinking next week will be a push week, so there will be more accurate stats

[amber herald]

bears have low damage outside of incarnation and convoke which causes them to have threat generation issues

but they are kind of unkillable

[pallid cradle]

They are unkillable but their st is really low

Even tho in raid they can do large amounts of damage byt thats cause they swap to feral on off tanking

[amber herald]

it's low but they can convoke in moonkin form for 20kdps

you swap to moonkin form in keys too

[strong forum]

Let's just agree that nobody knows and is truly capable of answering who is 2nd

[amber herald]

pretty much

[pallid cradle]

I agree too, but for me personally its prot

[strong forum]

There are massive arguments for both, and it doesn't matter, the only thing that will happen is one of the 2 is gonna get more popular, and that will then be perceived as the better

Or it'll just stay vdh

:^)

[pallid cradle]

Probs bear will be second most used honestly

[strong forum]

I think we will see alot more pwars popping up

[pallid cradle]

Cause most people is tired of prot after bfa s3 amd s4

[strong forum]

Na not rly

Nerf, Lepan, naowh and fem will play their prots alot more

[amber herald]

I'm already seeing more prot warriors in oribos/covenant halls... might be selection bias though

[strong forum]

Those 4 alone will make it more popular

[amber herald]

seems like a lot of the top tanks like prot warrior as a class from watching their streams

nerf definitely does

[strong forum]

Nobody enjoys the vdh meta

[sick sentinel]

In my guild there is a prot warrior hype now :)

[pallid cradle]

They will but naowh also said that he didnt want warr to be the way to go cause he wanted to stop a while

[amber herald]

the hypers will most likely be disappointed

[strong forum]

I mean that's more a naowh specific thing