the taunt is kind of irregular
#protection
surreal sinew
It’s dépendant of their damage too
So an rsham ele is not as sweet as dps one. Still decent
craggy pilot
i always panic taunt back, because i think it was a DPS who suddenly got aggro 😄
surreal sinew
Yeah that’s why you want to track those two clearly
craggy pilot
any of you know a good WA pack for that stuff?
craggy pilot
https://wago.io/affixes
i have only this one
it has Shaman stun totem
but nothing else :<
thx @lofty widget i will try it out 🙂
seems my TidyPlates has a specific color for when a pet is tanking, didnt notice that until now 😄
torn garden
Leg sweep BIS aoe stun
copper lava
Is there an effective way to avoid the severung slash from the dudes in SD?
And easily replaced
Without slashing a melee
Severing slice
torn garden
Isn’t that one just a cone from the gargoyles
You strafe out after he starts casting
amber herald
you can heroic leap behind you
also have a party member stand behind you and intervene
nightfae blink works if you're nightfae
timber lagoon
Isn’t that one just a cone from the gargoyles
Pretty sure that one's directional
So it'll follow you if you move, have to range it
torn garden
ionic nimbus
Pretty sure that one's directional
right, outrange it or take it, but never sidestep ^^
torn garden
Spin it on to your healer by intervening
copper lava
Yeah its the gargoyle one. Chamber Sentinel
timber lagoon
Or just troll your party and get 3 ppl hit 
ionic nimbus
😄
copper lava
🤣
ionic nimbus
Melees will be happy
torn garden
Healer will be very engaged and thank you for the content
timber lagoon
They get hit enough by that when I face it away, my healer will yell at them anyway
torn garden
In my experience playing resto Druid alt the only thing melee can dodge is my healing circle on the ground
timber lagoon
In my experience playing resto Druid alt the only thing melee can dodge is my he...
This is big true right here
"A ground effect! Mist be danger"
ionic nimbus
during pride standing in green or blue is bad, but catch the red ball (gives extra dps)
timber lagoon
Stand in fire dps higher 
torn garden
Just like in raid. Tell dps standing in blue seeds is a haste buff
timber lagoon
I told my buddy that last night who doesn't raid 🤣
mortal edge
Hey, quick question regarding NF Prot Warrior, What's the ideal Soulbind?
Im flip flopping dps and tank queues this weekend - just didnt know if Face your Foes was the go to?
ionic fern
Korayn is really solid.
For m+ you would use First Strike tho. 🙂
mortal edge
That is interesting - I didnt think it would be ideal for the tank
But that is good to know
So ideally
Since im NF - Fury, Prot stick to First strike
Arms goes Burrs
right?
ionic fern
I don't know about DPS specs unfortunately.
But as Prot you would preferably go for First Strike jeah. 🙂
mortal edge
Nice nice. Yeah this is my 1st week back in like 2 months
Benched my shaman for life, and converted warrior main
mortal edge
Yeah bro, tanked a 9 mists - necro is no joke
havent played my warrior since may of last year
What talents would you recommend for this week?
or in general to aid
heady mesa
If you're just coming back to Warr plka just released a fresh 9.0.5 guide on yt
mortal edge
yeah, i watched those for the dps- kinda throwing myself back into the fire and just learning through the dungeon.
ionic fern
With Reprisal:
Devastator/X/BSC/Crackling(or Stride)/Indom/Ravager/AM
Without Reprisal:
Devastator/X/BV/Crackling(or Stride)/Indom/Ravager/Bolster
mortal edge
Mwahi, thats pretty awesome ty for that
i have a question tho
since i only have signet
should i go AM instead?
ionic fern
If you're doing keys where you do not need the extra SB from Bolster then go for it.
mortal edge
yeah, i only have a 190
ionic fern
I mean key levels.
mortal edge
signet trying to get caught up obviously buut dont want to be gmpd
ionic fern
Just run Bolster if you're still getting familiar and are low ilvl. 🙂
mortal edge
okay
perfect, i thank you
i look forward to becoming a better warrior!
cause i hate being this weak 😦
mortal edge
lol - i told you, i benched my shaman main ! 15 years
no more
I want to be a Warrior /flex
woven trellis
hi so i want to go from kyrian to nfae how long until i get like 30 renown
i never made a cov change
solid cairn
hey when do you switch in P1 of heroic stone legion?
or do you just soak the crystallise while tanking the boss ?
subtle tulip
Depends, but ideally I'd say no especially in p1 with Kaal. You want her on her mark for the blades.
but whoever is OT should help soak
amber surge
Reprisal goes on legs for bigger stats or feet because no haste/vers feet available from dungeon?
if raiding isnt an option past HC, maybe
elfin nova
legs for more stats unless you can get stone legion mythic legs
and even then you are accepting you probably have to recraft reprisal next tier
solid cairn
Depends, but ideally I'd say no especially in p1 with Kaal. You want her on her ...
and how do you take of the bleed? im' not kyrian so i have to soak
elfin nova
you can soak whilst tanking the boss just fine
just make sure you're high hp before it hits
subtle tulip
At two stacks you tank swap to remove ur bleeds
so the tank tanking should basically always have 0 or only 1 stack
so the other OT can soak and remove stacks
elfin nova
it's more dangerous to tank the goliath whilst getting stunned to remove bleeds than it is to tank the boss
but either works
subtle tulip
GL 🙂
solid cairn
ty
fast wyvern
I feel like I’m struggling to us ignore pain, when is the best time to use it and should I always have it up?
floral pewter
hi so i want to go from kyrian to nfae how long until i get like 30 renown
you can do that in about a week if you focus on it
floral pewter
I feel like I’m struggling to us ignore pain, when is the best time to use it an...
use it when you're in danger or when you're going to overcap rage, you should not always have it up
steep condor
on second boss of halls how do you get the little adds to clump up together?
floral pewter
tell your dps not to hit them before they get to the center
they'll run to the center on their own, UNLESS they get hit first
then they stop and cast
lethal spear
Prot warr is my least played tank spec by a large margin. I cant for the life of me wrap my head around how to use ignore pain. Is there a situation where it gets used before SB? How do I use it effectively? Is there an Analogous ability with other tanks ?
languid flower
It's your defensive rage dump
lethal spear
So I spend extra rage on it if it's around and SB is up?
languid flower
if you are generating more rage than shield block is using, you have a choice of either offensive (revenge) or defensive (ignore pain)
floral pewter
SB is much much stronger against blockable attacks; IP only takes priority if you're taking entirely unblockable damage
lethal spear
Is there a way of knowing what's block able and unblockable?
languid flower
other than that, you're really only going to use it if things are going south and you need to squeeze out a little bit more survivability than your current CD's can manage
lethal spear
if you are generating more rage than shield block is using, you have a choice of...
Also thank you that is so much clearer than what I'm reading
languid flower
lots of other prot warrs in here just spam revenge all day, but I think that's doin' it wrong.
that said, IP is pretty grossly underpowered imo
floral pewter
Is there a way of knowing what's block able and unblockable?
basic melee and ranged attacks always are, special melee attacks usually are but not always, spells are not
the reflect spreadsheet in the pins lists which attacks in Shadowlands content are or aren't blockable
and then there's a few weird cases, like the last boss in NW who casts an ice shard which is nevertheless a blockable physical attack
languid flower
and then there's a few weird cases, like the last boss in NW who casts an ice sh...
Oh damn, smells like I need to read that list
floral pewter
no, his basic spam attack Icy Shard
you'd think it would be a Frostbolt-type thing, but it actually does physical damage and can be blocked
lethal spear
Ah
languid flower
it replaces his melee attack
so it's not THAT surprising, but I definitely have been doing that fight wrong
floral pewter
yeah, it's basically a melee except it doesn't apply Necrotic, lol
lethal spear
Yall are aces thanks
lilac jackal
How many of you folks are playing devastator? It feels wierd and quite slow doesn’t it?
floral pewter
even with Devastator, I don't have enough globals for Revenge and I have to dump into IP sometimes
mild ruin
What haste % are you running @lilac jackal
lilac jackal
Like 17%. I’m 194 ilvl. Just returned from a break. Getting back into the swing of things.
floral pewter
to directly answer the question, almost everyone is running Devastator, it's easily the best talent on that row
if you're feeling like you have lots of empty globals, you might be casting IP too much and Revenge too little
some guides say to cast Revenge only from free procs; this is wrong
oblique nymph
Sorry to interrupt folks; just a quick one, sine the latest patch is Reprisal best leggy for prot?
torpid cliff
At that ilvl you will probably feel more squishy than at higher ilvls. I remember pooling rage more for IP at least for fear of dying
floral pewter
Sorry to interrupt folks; just a quick one, sine the latest patch is Reprisal be...
for M+ yes, in raids The Wall is arguably better
oblique nymph
Ah fair one, is it a lot better than the original Thunderlord for M+?
median tulip
Ah fair one, is it a lot better than the original Thunderlord for M+?
Hell yes
oblique nymph
Roger xD Thanks folks.
median tulip
Thunderlord is kinda bad because Thunderclap is bad, and the legendary and the Avatar and everything else still doesn't counteract that enough
oblique nymph
Is it true what folk have said about prot warrior being far better since their buff atleast?
inland raft
upgrade mists shield to 220 or hold out for theatre shield/hope for 226 in vault?
copper lava
Thunderlord is kinda bad because Thunderclap is bad, and the legendary and the A...
DID YOU JUST SAY TC WAS BAD
🤣
floral pewter
I like how you can tell when a fotm character was made based on which ability they put in the character name
anything with "clap" in the name was made in BFA
or the paladin I fought yesterday named "Itolledyou", I'm sure that'll age well
viscid agate
What talent is better for darkvein Intothefray or Unstoppable force?
inland raft
my warrior has had same name since vanilla so i wouldnt know
median tulip
DID YOU JUST SAY TC WAS BAD
Sadly, it is bad.
lilac jackal
My warriors orriginal name was tamelcoe back in vanilla. I got name struck in wrath. Still salty
jagged pier
What talent is better for darkvein Intothefray or Unstoppable force?
never UF
viscid agate
ok
copper lava
Anyone else like ravager for m+ more than ItF?
floral pewter
haha get it, because the ravager rotates
glacial skiff
So I’ve tested it and reprisal revenge proc definitely gives you 50% extra damage with BSC doesn’t it?
Looking at the tooltip anyway
lofty widget
yes it does
solid cairn
someone can explain why all the spell for prot war are target capped and almost any for DH? (don't know for other tank)
torn garden
No
half scarab
Maybe dumb question. Should I get The Wall leggo for cape or shoulders? I see both on wowlogs
Is it just based on which slot is the best for me atm?
strong forum
Shoulders
Back is the SINGLE WORST SLOT to put a legendary on, whoever crafted their legendary on the back is stupid as hell
half scarab
There's a couple of the best dps ranking prots on wowlogs that have theirs on back 😄
knotty arrow
What about Reprisal? Which slot is best
strong forum
Legs for reprisal
copper lava
I regret not crafting reprisal on feet
knotty arrow
Ty
strong forum
There's a couple of the best dps ranking prots on wowlogs that have theirs on ba...
Then they're brain damaged
To be using wall for dps to begin with
copper lava
I am going to do reprisal on feet once I get wall upgraded max and leg reprisal maxed I think
I'm missing out on huge stats by not having that option
strong forum
Shriek drops feet
plush tendon
been trying out NF last couple of days; its aight, still working on renown 31 to give max Korayn a go
particularly underwhelming in ST
but 5 targets, its good damange
copper lava
been trying out NF last couple of days; its aight, still working on renown 31 to...
What
amber herald
ST dmg comes from burrs mostly
plush tendon
havnt gotten there yet; still trying it out
copper lava
NF is big dam. Me war no understand. Me NF go big blue BAM Dam watch happy meters higher than dps.
plush tendon
I agree; though having them stand in the blue is sometimes annoying
trust me, im giving it a honest go; ive already grinded like 20 renown and havnt started the campaign
XD
ill have 36 Kyrian, 40 Necro, and getting to 31 NF
copper lava
Are you lining it up with avatar at start? It's legit. I was doing 3.5k overall at 185 ilvl in a m+ with it vs venthyr only 2k
Nf vs venthyr I mean
plush tendon
yea, Ive been using booming voice also
so lining it up with Avatar, Demo and then Slam
exciting for the crit though and Korayn
copper lava
Don't hold avi for it tho
plush tendon
been trying that out more recently
plush tendon
yea, its definetly does more damage then banner, no debate on that
I just like necro aestically, so once I get to 31 going to do my remaining 6 keys for the week or like 4 next week before I decide
copper lava
Banner as in necro? For sure, necro is sacrificing your deeps for their increase(if used and properly coordinated)
plush tendon
I will say, AA is more exciting to press then Spear
copper lava
Oh yeah
plush tendon
not even close
copper lava
Kyrian is really great as a covenant for most specs and classes but its so bland and boring to play. The campaign is the best story tho.
crisp dragon
What is it with people and saying "I dont care about your logs"
People really only think when you mention logs that it's the number by your damage or healing, so retarded duuude
crisp dragon
logs is like 20% gloating about your 90+ logs and 80% about studying my casts and uptimes, like coooome on maaaan, stop telling me "we dont care about your logs" in front of 20 people, logs matter >.<
copper lava
This is actually 100 % accurate
plush tendon
The most important thing for me when looking at logs is A) how much reasource am I wasting B) could I have used a CD earlier
crisp dragon
Little do I know, the guy who said it has 40% physical mitigation on sludgefist vs. my 85'%+ there's such a big difference
copper lava
Lol yeah I was in a guild at the start of rhe expac progging heroic sludge
crisp dragon
I was just introducing myself to my new guild, told them I was a legit tank, they could look at my log, raidleader was like "tank logs btw" And they're 8/10 
copper lava
Had a similar issue of taking way less damage than the other tank who was the same class and needing way less healing.
I was 15ish ilvls below him
crisp dragon
I got kicked out from my last guild for saying "co tank is taking too much damage, need to figure out why". amongst other things, but this was one of them
copper lava
Logs got him removed from the tanking role when I convinced them that no its not to show my dick size only
Just log on your own honestly
crisp dragon
I mean, I do log myself, but I want to tell others that, hey, look at my logs, I'm a good player for them just to go like "tank logs l o l"
copper lava
Can't fix someone elses tanking. Usually players that are willing to not be the stereotype guild tank are in higher end guds unfortunately.
If they don't care about logs you should question how effective they are as a guild or Raid leader
Hinestly
Honestly*
crisp dragon
I just got juggled inbetween guilds, finally found one that seems good, can't afford to tell them what I feel, I always get kicked because I get too elitist when shit like that happens
Thanks for listening to my rant tho
copper lava
Ive never been in a mythic prog guild that hasn't because it is effective in fixing issues
No problem man I feel ya
Fuzzy's comforting couchtime is now over. Please remove yorself from my presence so I can co tinue my big dam
Ty
😁
serene rock
is kyrian the go to covenant for pugging or can necro also be viable?
stiff bear
quick, had to step in as tank for mythic sludge last minute. Lego and talents and souldbind as NF?
signal plover
Bolster for M sludge if running wall
plush tendon
really?
signal plover
If ya don't you're better off with reprisal
signal plover
really?
For prog, definitely
The timings with bolster and wall line up almost perfectly with active tanking intervals between stomps and wall charges. V smooth.
amber herald
kyrian is good for pugs
copper lava
is kyrian the go to covenant for pugging or can necro also be viable?
Kyrian and NF are both great. Personal preference for ehich you prefer. NF is higher dam and better on caster packs of mobs.
serene rock
its more about the fact that half the wow population is nf/kyrian
so im trying to just roll something that is niche to fill in some gaps
copper lava
Unless you're ina set group pushing keys higher than 16/18/20+ it doesn't matter. Its only QOL
serene rock
i do plan on pushing past 16s, but mainly pugging as i don't have a set group yet
i guess ill just stick to kyrian
plush tendon
its more about the fact that half the wow population is nf/kyrian
everyone may be Kyrian or NF, but its the tanks who are all Kyrian
copper lava
Then run NF or kyrian.
serene rock
everyone may be Kyrian or NF, but its the tanks who are all Kyrian
that is true tbh
plush tendon
granted, Im on team not Kyrian
serene rock
honestly i'd really love to play venthyr but it seems to be the worst for prot out of the 4
copper lava
Try both
plush tendon
yea, switching isnt bad
copper lava
I like NF for caster mob packs
plush tendon
actually, right now is the best time to try a new cov and que up the return
copper lava
Yeah
plush tendon
then on reset you can go right back to where you were
copper lava
Yep
Just bare in mind that burrs on niya is good damage so your dam might be lower than it would be if you didn't spend time increasing renown. Before swapping back
river niche
Mythic xymox, Reprisal or the wall?
jagged pier
which ever u like
river niche
And I see people runnimg reprisal but not best served cold? Does it not gain benefit now that's worth?
sweet summit
river niche
Hmmm. Im night bae. I feel like I can get more revenge rage dumps
marble lantern
What about necro for pushing damage though?
jagged pier
it really not that good
patent osprey
Both BSC and BV are good with reprisal but BSC has no defensive value but is higher aoe dam. BV is good for ST and a little aoe with defensive value. so Mongo or not Mongo up to you @river niche
amber herald
yo plka I watched your new guide, anything you would change with the 10% dr change
I was thinking maybe more offensive trinkets instead of scale/a'lar
chilly brook
What about necro for pushing damage though?
You're playing the wrong covenant to push damage
patent osprey
@amber herald nope :) defensive trinkets are always Bae for high keys. more tanky means u kite less and ur dps damage will go up by a ton
if you have to kite more due to offense trinkets it is a net loss
patent osprey
I like vintage but both are ok. one is just more ST dam with Phial and vintage is just another shield.
rocky sky
BSC or bv for m+
crisp dragon
Just bare in mind that burrs on niya is good damage so your dam might be lower t...
I just wanna complain again
Im looking at his talents/logs analyzing this prot warriors casts etc, he has more counts of physical damage taken without SB than with SB
wanton hedge
One Question. Which slot is better for Reprisal Legendary i see many on R.io on Feets but Guides like wowhead mean that i should prefer Leegs. What is better ?
versed lark
Legs give more stats
strong forum
Legs if you dont have access to slg mythic legs aka 233
If you have 233 legs already or can get them, it's feet for short term
Crafting it on legs is ultimately the long term investment
mighty valley
I had a moment in denathrius p3 last night where taunt was just not working
Did three back to back on cooldown and he was staying on cotank, stacking up scorn
Anyone seen things like this before?
fossil cloak
whats the best leggo for keys?
mighty valley
reprisal
frail wyvern
Read about 5 posts up 😂
fossil cloak
ty lol
sleek echo
council finally dead, sludgie next xd
plush tendon
Korayn the play for M+ right?
frail wyvern
Alot of people like NF for M+ now, good dmg and long stun
short apex
Guys, I've been playing a lot more prot lately, but I'm Venthyr so I kind of have no real covenant ability. My mainspec is fury and I love condemn, but I got super mixed feelings. I'm not sure what my question is, i just dont know what to really do because I kind of want another Covenant but I love condem. Help...
frail wyvern
What content are you doing?
torn gulch
is anima field emitter good for protection?
mighty valley
Yeah it's pretty good, you can get surprisingly high uptime
short apex
What content are you doing?
Keys around KSM and AotC/Casual Mythic Raiding
mighty valley
Venthyr is totally fine for raiding, and if you're not pushing tip top keys you're not losing much by being venthyr
frail wyvern
I play venthyr prot, I love it in raids but hate it in keys, I usually play my monk in m+ nowadays
short apex
Yeah I know, but Ive been playing more prot lately and condem is kind of a dead spell in keys for prot
unique shale
I play venthyr prot, I love it in raids but hate it in keys, I usually play my m...
hate it in keys XD
short apex
But ngl, necrotic without vial is fucking disgusting
lofty widget
not venthyr, but i could imagine condemn being very nice for prides and bosses
frail wyvern
Just go dwarf 🤭
unique shale
i just cheesing boss and adds mechanics with door
unique shale
not venthyr, but i could imagine condemn being very nice for prides and bosses
my co-tank cannot hold aggro when i condemn
lofty widget
mighty valley
Just be first tank on the pull
unique shale
Just be first tank on the pull
i am
short apex
I think I'm mostly thinking this way because I tanked way more this week and vial looked fucking delicious
lofty widget
nothing more empowering than stealing aggro without taunting
unique shale
lol
mighty valley
If your cotank is failing to hold aggro after they taunt there’s something bigger going on lol
frail wyvern
I would rather have something that's more useful on m+ trash than condemn, I only went prot because guild needed shout/rally and dps was bad back at launch
But its a fun raid covenant
mighty valley
Switch if you want, but I promise you KSM is not hard to get as a venthyr prot warrior
It’s not gonna be the thing that makes the difference
unique shale
i mean i went kyrain for fun but i was struggling to kite without door so .....
short apex
how does nf feel? I heard its simming super well for fury aswell
frail wyvern
I prefer playing my monk in keys really, might switch covenant on the warrior when/if I don't need it for raid
unique shale
how does nf feel? I heard its simming super well for fury aswell
bis for dps and prot
is there any better addon then DBM ?
cause i noticed DBM has delay and not working sometimes
frail wyvern
Have you tried removing/reinstalling DBM? I haven't personally had problems with it
Big wigs is the other option though if you want to try something different
unique shale
Have you tried removing/reinstalling DBM? I haven't personally had problems with...
will do that
short apex
bis for dps and prot
Ugh, do I pull the trigger? 😦
unique shale
Ugh, do I pull the trigger? 😦
i mean different between covenant is pretty close after 9.0.5
noble nacelle
I switched to NF today from be necro and it's insane the difference
unique shale
so if you are all about min/max then go for it
noble nacelle
Aftershock is borderline broken
180 rage every 1.25 minutes is insane in and of itself
outer solstice
... have you seen the unnerved version? xD
that we had in beta
it was like 4x as much rage
and yeah finally Xymox down 🙂 and got the shield on first kill 🙂
I'm a happy gnome
is hella fun
noble nacelle
How much rage does spear give with 200 conduit?
outer solstice
on ST more
bright salmon
So this is my first time tanking Necrotic. Generally how many stacks is too high?
noble nacelle
Yeah but like is Aftershock more rage on just 2 targets?
Because then idk why anyone would go spear. Howany times unless you raid as a main do you only have one target to hit.
frail wyvern
So this is my first time tanking Necrotic. Generally how many stacks is too high...
It's really situational, depending on how hard you are being hit, how many mobs etc
outer solstice
Because then idk why anyone would go spear. Howany times unless you raid as a ma...
it's because of phial not because of spear
unique shale
So this is my first time tanking Necrotic. Generally how many stacks is too high...
it is depends
noble nacelle
Yeah. I just don't see how phial makes kyrians so valued.
bright salmon
I'm assuming SB doesn't mitigate it at all?
noble nacelle
I feel like anything phial does soulshape does betyer
outer solstice
Yeah. I just don't see how phial makes kyrians so valued.
it let's you fix mistakes
lofty widget
being able to reset debuffs, staying in longer
unique shale
I'm assuming SB doesn't mitigate it at all?
i mean you should feel it that you are going to die if you stay more
lofty widget
better than slightly faster movement speed
bright salmon
alright, thx
noble nacelle
It gives another way to gain reprisal
dawn frost
Phial also really nice for necrotic stack dropping and preventing gain with certain souldbind
unique shale
elfin nova
You are generally safe with a lot of stacks if you have SB (maybe plus other cds) up and the pack is close to dead
sleek echo
any big boys that can give some good tips for sludge mythic? will it be meme after nerfs? 😄
unique shale
every 3 min for dropping stacks ?
elfin nova
But you tend to run out of stuff and already have high stacks if you don't reset early
outer solstice
@unique shale on bossfights myhtic that means you can tank some adds without a tank swap and such
lofty widget
every 3 min you can do a huge pull with dps cooldowns
noble nacelle
I just think that if phial is what saves your life you were pulling wrong to begin with
lofty widget
and stay in for super long
dawn frost
It's good to know that phial works on necrotic if it's up and you need it
unique shale
<@!493219369648783371> on bossfights myhtic that means you can tank some adds wi...
i mean they are already nerfing Phial in raid so it won't thing anymore in future.
frail wyvern
any big boys that can give some good tips for sludge mythic? will it be meme aft...
I'm progging at the moment on sludge. The nerfs do make it a lot easier but tbh you still rely on dps not screwing up more than anything
outer solstice
@unique shale then you still have a 2nd healthstone that you can use twice in most boss fights
elfin nova
Phial already didn't matter for almost all of this tier so
unique shale
<@!493219369648783371> then you still have a 2nd healthstone that you can use tw...
that's why we have healer
outer solstice
that's why we have healer
what if you could go 1 healer less?
noble nacelle
I think the biggest boon for Kyrian is that you are Kyrian, when there arent many classes that are meta M+ that are
unique shale
what if you could go 1 healer less?
when healing me is not a issues why should i care about extra pot for healing ?
outer solstice
on most bosses I heal myself more than I get healed by any healer
elfin nova
It is complete nonsense to suggest kyrian phial on the tank could ever let you drop a healer
outer solstice
when healing me is not a issues why should i care about extra pot for healing ?
what level of content do you play?
elfin nova
Lmao
sleek echo
I'm progging at the moment on sludge. The nerfs do make it a lot easier but tbh ...
always the way lmao, usual raid set up with wall booming voice and am? or is it worth using reprisal and bolster for extra sb?
unique shale
what level of content do you play?
highest
outer solstice
I press doubt
elfin nova
Reprisal with AM is good on sludge
unique shale
I press doubt
i press overhealing
elfin nova
But you should get your cotank to macro cancelaura intervene into something unless you're very confident
outer solstice
highest
in the highest level of play if you can heal yourself more as a tank and are more healer independent it can allow your raid to run 1 healer less, which makes damage checks far easier, especially in myhtic raids
surreal sinew
Watch jakeys vid. It’s a full run through of using reprisal on sludge
frail wyvern
I am using standard talents, the 15 sec of SB lasts an entire period between stomps which is really nice @sleek echo
noble nacelle
Out of curiosity as I was a BrM till 9.0.5 so what did reprisal used to do?
unique shale
in the highest level of play if you can heal yourself more as a tank and are mor...
if you have giga healers healing is not problem our dh doing over 70% healing cause we have giga healing
elfin nova
Sludge is the best boss in the raid for reprisal
outer solstice
if you have giga healers healing is not problem our dh doing over 70% healing ca...
if you have giga healers, one more reason to run less of them
surreal sinew
Free ignore pain and big damage revenge I think?
frail wyvern
I'm sure there are some big brain tactics that can be used on sludge though, I just go for a straightforward approach
elfin nova
But the wall still works
surreal sinew
Can’t quite remember
unique shale
if you have giga healers, one more reason to run less of them
to run less what bruh
outer solstice
healers
sleek echo
Watch jakeys vid. It’s a full run through of using reprisal on sludge
have you got a link for that? :3
surreal sinew
unique shale
always going 2/5/13
outer solstice
boss mechanics requires big healing
if boss mechanics require the healers attention one more reason why selfheal is important
sleek echo
tyvm 🙂
outer solstice
2/5/13 on lady?
unique shale
no
unique shale
if boss mechanics require the healers attention one more reason why selfheal is ...
i suppose dps have to go f them self with your idea of taking less healers
outer solstice
i suppose dps have to go f them self with your idea of taking less healers
yes they have to take case as well
unique shale
yes they have to take case as well
well see
stop making extra pot big deal while there are a lot of more factors then taking less healer
copper lava
Not being critical just curious
outer solstice
stop making extra pot big deal while there are a lot of more factors then taking...
yeah but extra pot IS good, especially being able to use 2 in a fight
unique shale
yeah but extra pot IS good, especially being able to use 2 in a fight
its not it is good for chessing
outer solstice
how far is your raid?
unique shale
6/10 mythic
surreal sinew
we're dropping one
outer solstice
let me find something that fits
unique shale
people just fail mechanics and get os
take less healer problem solved 
surreal sinew
felt like i was taking less damage than on sludge hm firt week
elfin nova
@copper lava it was, now with the multiple changes 4 is also fine
Spirit link for healing reductions is very good and you need a priest if you want to skip some crystallises but beyond that it doesn't really matter
kindred rapids
hey guys, looking to the new upcoming change on tank. I see lot of war switch necro and go back to kyrian now, why?
near radish
How should I use cds like 'Ravager', 'Spear of Bastion' and 'Avatar' in m+? Together for more dmg or spread out on different packs?
lofty widget
whenever theyre available unless a pack is legit 2 seconds away from dying
unique shale
hey guys, looking to the new upcoming change on tank. I see lot of war switch ne...
stop following people dude
play whatever you like
serene rock
does anyone have a help/harm macro for charge/intervene?
with a mouse over would be nice
serene rock
ended up making my own, so if anyone is interested:
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
hazy sparrow
i use this one has 3 buttons ( mouse over intervene, charget current target or hamstring them if they are in charges deadzone)
#Showtooltip Intervene
/use [@mouseover,help] Intervene; Charge
/use Hamstring
serene rock
oh hamstring is a nice idea, ill add that to mine
marsh aurora
when is necrotic week over i wanna stand in packs and wait
oh wait next week is sanguine
kekw
unique shale
guys between those two trinket which one should i use ?
[Macabre Sheet Music] 213[Overwhelming Power Crystal] 226
marsh aurora
i wouldn't pick an on use trinket that would risk fucking over scale tbh
marsh aurora
well it's really strong and it should be your on use trinket probably
but if you don't care about that, the haste buff from sheet is great
marsh aurora
but killing mythic council not knowing about scale is impressive
marsh aurora
aaaah
unique shale
i do pretty big dps with Overwhelming Power Crystal in raid and dung
sheet is annoying
finite berry
Yo doods what cov is best for all 3 specs? Night fae?
marsh aurora
so play what you enjoy the most
floral pewter
hey guys, looking to the new upcoming change on tank. I see lot of war switch ne...
probably because they wanted to try out necro, then decided they wanted to be kyrian again
it's not always a complicated meta reason
unique shale
so play what you enjoy the most
when should i use scale kind of new to it cause i got right now
marsh aurora
Scale drops from dos and increases your survivability by a lot
Aswell as damage
Pair it with sun kings trinket and you're a beast
marsh aurora
Every content I'd say
unique shale
the situation i mean
kindred rapids
Here i running key with my team we are on 21+ and im trying to look for the best option @floral pewter that the reason i asked this question. Im loving kyrian but i dont know if its the best option to get the last few lvl of key
floral pewter
when should i use scale kind of new to it cause i got right now
holding it for very long is probably a waste, but you get the most value out of it on multiple targets
it's mostly just a defensive cooldown, think of it like any other 2-minute personal CD
I think the shield isn't reduced by necrotic? so it can be good to hold for when you get high stacks this week
marsh aurora
I usually pop it on pull for big packs in m+
flat locust
best slot to craft Reprisal?
flat locust
soooooooo.. feet is best?? LOLOLOL
flat locust
guild is proging him now
elfin nova
That's why there's a distinction
lofty widget
if you think youll kill it soon ish, id make it on feet
elfin nova
I dunno man i killed slg two months ago and my dh doesn't have the shoulders yet
lofty widget
or just make it on feet regardless, the difference is minimal
and you MIGHT get slg legs, most ppl dont have that chance
elfin nova
If you raid mythic and will clear the raid you make it on feet and hope that doesn't screw you for next tier
elfin nova
I imagine if he's raiding slg he has the wall
Or maybe he just plays with no legendary, idk
unique shale
i want to go full dps for raid and i have one slot for endurance which one should i go
elfin nova
The one that gives you damage
lofty widget
unique shale
Unnerving Focus look good but i can benefit from it every 3 min
unique shale
ok make sense
elfin nova
Last i checked the APL doesn't use last stand
astral crystal
Unnerving Focus look good but i can benefit from it every 3 min
every 2 mins bro :^)
elfin nova
But yes that was the point i was making, only unnerving gives dps
lofty widget
its either that or show of force soooo
astral crystal
abandon the reprisal meme
elfin nova
It's every three minutes if you're going for dps ie playing AM
unique shale
every 2 mins bro :^)
Oh srr
astral crystal
nah only if you run bolster
i'm just shitposting
still dont think reprisal is that good
lofty widget
better than our other options
astral crystal
nah the wall is still solid
reasonably certain 99% of people doing content where reprisal would be relevant in terms of damage AND survival wouldn't need it for that content
the higher you go the better the wall gets
elfin nova
How do you figure
unique shale
The wall is bis
elfin nova
You have almost the same shield wall cooldown but more block with reprisal
lofty widget
the wall is literally a slightly better AM
elfin nova
Trivially
In m+
In raids i think the constraint of having to charge so much is a definite problem on a lot of fights
But raids don't scale higher and most fights have inherent downtime so higher block uptime is less relevant anyway
You're then just asking how much more damage it does
astral crystal
when you refer to raids it's not just one indistinguishable conglomerate, idk how many prot warrs are progging real end game right now, not just 6/10 M
elfin nova
Yeah but if you're factoring in player skill then the wall is certainly easier to play
astral crystal
progging or farming*
elfin nova
And it is good enough for all content
astral crystal
i don't think of it as a matter of skill, the wall is just superior in terms of gameplay, but that falls in the realm of personal preference too
some people like zippin and zoomin
and will find a way to do it
elfin nova
The only fights i think reprisal is really smooth to play is sludge
And slg because you can charge something you aren't tanking
unique shale
elfin nova
And hungering because he casts so much but that boss is obviously a joke anyway
Sire I am as yet unsure
You can charge easily in p3 but postioning in p2 is pretty strict
astral crystal
i'm on m sire right now, we've seen about 50% of the fight, still too spooked to zip zoop too much
elfin nova
I've only done the first 5 on my warrior but based on how easy it is to charge stuff in heroic you can get a feel for most bosses
And it's way more relaxed to play the wall and bolster
Hopefully we have a week with no buyer soon and i can slide my warrior onto sludge and slg 🙏
Sire I'm not sure about because you can definitely charge in p3 and that's the hardest hitting part of the fight
unique shale
Sire I'm not sure about because you can definitely charge in p3 and that's the h...
which is mostly magic damage
elfin nova
It's a lot of magic damage but he melees for 40k+ on my dh without spikes
unique shale
lol
elfin nova
So he definitely doesn't fuck around
unique shale
you compering dh with war
unique shale
base on my dh get 40k melee then war should get that too keke
elfin nova
Yes that's exactly what i said
It's 40/60 phys/magic on a warrior probably but the magic is a dot, unblocked melee swings could definitely still be what kills you
unique shale
yeah on my dh i got killed without spikes
unique shale
its okay to die with dh
serene rock
anyone know why victory rush won't work in a macro?
sturdy sable
You spelling it right?
elfin nova
Paste the macro
serene rock
#showtooltip Execute
/cast Execute
/cast Victory Rush
super simple macro, yet it doesnt work at all
median tulip
Macros terminate at the first valid function that incurs a global cooldown
serene rock
is there no way to set it up so its almost like a condition?
median tulip
No
elfin nova
No
serene rock
rip
median tulip
Macros aren't allowed to do that sort of thing
serene rock
so there is no possible way i can sandwich victory rush with another button?
serene rock
Sadge
median tulip
You can use a modifier button
elfin nova
You can't cheat with any buttons that are on global
floral pewter
you could macro it to something off-gcd like Charge
wide pilot
Just in case you ask one more time the answer is still no
floral pewter
but macros can't do things like decide which ability you should use, by design
serene rock
charge is off gcd?
wide pilot
Macro has no logic
elfin nova
You could get your brother chris to decide which to press for you
Nvm
I'm going to bed
unique shale
prot war has not that many keys so why you want macro almost everything
wide pilot
????
We don’t have many keys?!
Sounds like someone who doesn’t keybind all their abilities lol
unique shale
this is subjective so
serene rock
im literally running out of keybinds
median tulip
We have quite a lot of keys. But TBH victory rush procs are not something I worry a lot about
unique shale
im literally running out of keybinds
share your keybinds
unique shale
Sounds like someone who doesn’t keybind all their abilities lol
i have one of those mouse with bottoms at side so i don't run out of space
serene rock
utility
median tulip
I mean I'm using '123456 QERTY FGHJ ZXCVBN and M1-M9
ocean bloom
1 tip for multipling your number of keybinds is use your modifiers (Shift/alt/cntrl) if you have like 10-15 buttons you can easily hit 40 keybinds with easy modifiers
serene rock
extras - usually trinkets
wide pilot
Now do those with shift modifier lol
serene rock
all of them are with shift modifiers
floral pewter
ZXCV are also good keybinds for stuff
median tulip
I never use modifiers, I just use a Logitech G910 and a multi-button mouse
ocean bloom
yeah i use "QERTYFGZXCV" before i even get to numbers
ocean bloom
pedal for PTT is bis
median tulip
i have a logitech racing sim wheel, might bind the pedals to big cooldowns
Galaxy Brain solution
hazy sparrow
this is what i use not special but has all the buttons
wide pilot
I don’t stop at 6 though I go 1-8
ocean bloom
also you dont really need to bind shout
serene rock
you don't need Whirlwind, Hamstring and Shattering Throw is optional
okay thats pretty neat to know, ill remove them to clear some space - though i think ill keep shattering throw for that odd time i'd need it
median tulip
Everyone has their own way of setting up their binds
unique shale
this is mine plus pot at right bar
hazy sparrow
except for arms warriors, those sadists have 1 button
median tulip
One thing I recommend people try to improve their situational awareness and stop watching their binds is try turning the bars invisible with Bartender and do a few sessions on the training dummies. It works wonders at building muscle memory.
lofty widget
how do you track cooldowns like that?
serene rock
WA
elfin nova
Is that stuff on your mouse
unique shale
how do you track cooldowns like that?
me ?
elfin nova
The utility stuff
median tulip
how do you track cooldowns like that?
Weakauras
lofty widget
makes sense
unique shale
i use omnicc for tracking cds
serene rock
i never press 1
elfin nova
You aren't using half the buttons with modifiers it looks like
serene rock
i am, every button u see, has a shift modifier to it, but not ctrl i guess
elfin nova
And 1-5 should be premium keyboard space tbh you should definitely use those
But i guess everyone is used to their own shit
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
unique shale
serene rock
yeah im more into the Black Desert sort of keybinds, all of the main stuff surrounds the WASD
means that ur most used spells require minimal movement from ur WASD
different strokes for different folks tho i guess
median tulip
And 1-5 should be premium keyboard space tbh you should definitely use those
3-6 are premium binds, ', 1 & 2 are more of a stretch
unique shale
yeah im more into the Black Desert sort of keybinds, all of the main stuff surro...
i also recommend pairing your avatar with a trinket by macro
serene rock
is avatar off gcd?
lofty widget
yes
serene rock
what other important spells are off gcd?
serene rock
avatar, charge?
lofty widget
reflect, kick
unique shale
but changing Macabre Sheet Music and write your own trinket name
lofty widget
think thats about it
serene rock
ignore pain is on gcd?
lofty widget
IP is on an internal 1 sec cd or something
lofty widget
maybe taunt
if you absolutely wanna macro it to something
although that wouldnt work in raid
serene rock
what about necro banner and avatar?
unique shale
that works too
serene rock
but is it a good idea i mean
astral crystal
It's a lot of magic damage but he melees for 40k+ on my dh without spikes
shit, man
it's ~23k unmitigated on warr i think
that's rough
unique shale
but is it a good idea i mean
if you don't have boomy or fire mage then use it with avater
serene rock
i do frequently play with my fire mage friend, if they are in my party, how does it change my banner usage?
use with their convoke/combust?
unique shale
yes
serene rock
okay thats actually pretty decent
unique shale
then pair avatar with a trinket
serene rock
yeah that might be a good idea
hoping i will get scale on this alt
would be nice to pop scale and avatar and just forget survivability for a few secs lol
unique shale
i got scale in 3h ago and tank was piss about for not giving him XD
unique shale
yes
serene rock
im a heal main so no clue about tank trinkets or anything
unique shale
scale don't pair well with avatar
2 min cooldown plus it is best to use it for multi target
i would pair avatar with trinket that has less then 1.5 min cooldown
serene rock
so i take it that anger management essentially shaves off 30s off Avatar?
unique shale
so i take it that anger management essentially shaves off 30s off Avatar?
depends on your haste
serene rock
makes sense
median tulip
There or thereabouts though
serene rock
what about fleshcraft if anyone uses it
since it decreases by 1s per corpse
in m+ is it also a 1:30cd basically?
actually are there any mobs that dont count towards the corpse decrease on fleshcraft?
cuz the huge pulls on ardenweald DoS might be nice for fleshcraft
fiery remnant
How many necro stacks before kiting?
floral pewter
in m+ is it also a 1:30cd basically?
more like 1:50, you're not killing 30 things in two minutes
the cd reduction is basically irrelevant now
serene rock
more like 1:50, you're not killing 30 things in two minutes
you’re right, so basically fleshcraft every other pull really
really looking forward to tanking keys with fleshcraft
sick sentinel
does reprisal require a lot of micromanaging to get "decent" use out of it? or will just playing as normal be fine (M+)? not sure if i should make reprisal or wall for casual alt
median tulip
Depends if you think movement and charging are micromanaging
I mean, with Reprisal you have to move to utilize it effectively. But you have to move with any tank
floral pewter
charging and intervening on cooldown or close to it doesn't really require a ton of micromanagement
esp if you have a good mouseover or click-to-cast for intervene
mighty egret
its as much micromanaging as just looking at your SB uptime
plush tendon
after extensive play, renown grinding, and experimentation, I can now comfirm, NF is da shit
mighty egret
does it slap or does it clap
plush tendon
its a slapper
unique shale
after extensive play, renown grinding, and experimentation, I can now comfirm, N...
how come
i heard people keep saying NF bis
indigo pumice
more rage on 3 plus targets constant knock downs in the aoe it leaves on the floor and more dmg in 3 plus targets than the other cov's PLUS soulshape mobility
chilly brook
really looking forward to tanking keys with fleshcraft
You lose a lot to be necro it's really not worth it
chilly brook
i hit 31 Renown in 1 day
I'm going back to NF in Tuesday since I'm stepping back into being a raid tank
Cant wait tbh
I miss being a winter queen simp
indigo pumice
NF is better than kyrian at raid tank or they about the same?
chilly brook
You're probably gonna do more damage as NF in raid compared to Kyrian
Really your choice
indigo pumice
Kyrian just gets to clear stacks on things like SLG to tank kaal for longer and stuff
but less dmg
chilly brook
Honestly I never found phial to be super useful
plush tendon
ecept vial dont worry on mythic
mighty egret
NF big dam ook ook
sick sentinel
dang you're making me want to switch and i just hit 60 and picked kyrian a few hours ago...
plush tendon
ive done my research, play Kyrian, NF, and Necro
Necro looks best
NF slaps
Kyrian.... dungeon buffs?
sick sentinel
i chose kyrian b/c you can use the spear from a distance (not a cone like nf) and it holds mobs in place. idk if that was good reasoning or not. i only play m+
inland raft
I was thinking of swapping away from nf to kyrian but then i press aa and puuump
So idk
grand drum
does this mean any target you tag or killing blow?
atomic mulch
quick question. about how much haste do you need to have shield block up full time?
ocean bloom
its not possible with current design of the spec
but when usingg reprisal in m+ you can get close during combat depending on pull lenggth
floral pewter
From haste alone? You'd need 167%, which is pretty firmly out of reach
With Reprisal and 20% haste you can have it up for almost all relevant times though
rough vine
I just hit lvl 60 and I am planning to main tank with Fury on the side for fun and WQ. Can't force myself to go anything else than Kyrian for some reason. Am I making a mistake?
empty spindle
Why is unbreakable will not solected over the wall - wouldn’t you think the unbreakable will has far better value and utility ??
elfin nova
@astral crystal i checked a sense log and he is getting hit for 30k unmitigated in p3. Big slaps
Two charges only amounts to one extra use on a raid fight (and a bit of flexibility on when you use them)
It's only your party so the group DR benefit doesn't cover enough people to be meaningful verses most raid mechanics
And the wall gives rage and more SW uses on longer fights
chilly brook
Why is unbreakable will not solected over the wall - wouldn’t you think the unbr...
No lmao
2 charges
Still on a 4m cd
Which means you're literally getting maybe one extra shield wall use than you otherwise would normally in the dungeon
Whereas The Wall gives you a ton of extra rage over the course of a fight or dungeon
And also means you can double your casts of shield wall over the course of a dungeon if not more
Using your biggest defensive for the gain of a party to get a barely better barkskin makes almost 0 sense outside of extremely niche use cases that we currently dont have
chilly brook
I just hit lvl 60 and I am planning to main tank with Fury on the side for fun a...
If you're playing fury as well you should really honestly go NF
elfin nova
I'm 40 with NF and kyrian now and i have 0 desire to swap back to kyrian so far
rough vine
Ok then, the phial is so appealing for tanking tho
empty spindle
Which means you're literally getting maybe one extra shield wall use than you ot...
More so talking about raid - should of clarified that
elfin nova
On a 5ish minute fight you get the same # of uses with the wall but more freedom on when you use them
Anything longer than 6 minutes the wall is more uses and on every fight the party dr is mediocre, whereas TW rage is good
chilly brook
More so talking about raid - should of clarified that
Again it's still shit
unique tree
I got 226 barghast trinket, which is kinda meh, but its probably still better than the 200darkmoon haste for m+ I assume cause of ilvl for strength?
dry spear
how is the social butterfly trait in m+? or is dreamweaver more or less a pvp soulbind?
i'm struggeling to find a good all around setup with NF for m+. face your foes or first strike for example
dry spear
thank you mr. orange.
broken mulch
i might pickup raid tanking this tier on my warrior, should i swap cov's from nightfae? is there any big difference survival wise?
ionic fern
Most of your survivability comes from proper play.
Your Covenant choice won't affect it that much.
So stay NF if you like it.
mental scarab
If HP not ping Pong you doing right ✌🏻
ionic fern
now all i need to do is find how to proper play 😂
If you're having issues or concerns just ask them here.
Preferably with logs.
fringe marten
I think it's pretty cool they actually got the covenants into a spot where there's legitimate argument for them being 'best' in various situations and useful in all; and due to the content you really like to play it's not a hard 'this is best for sure'. Even the legendary equipment now has flexibility where you can have viable choices for different content and raid encounters. (there will always be a best, but there's legit reasons to use different stuff even if it's not absolutely optimal.)
broken mulch
awesome tnx 😄 yea only did 1 bit of farm on prot today without any prep so it wasn't the best haha so i'll see what next reset bring me log wise and then i can see where i struggle 😄
i guess for started i should probably run the wall in raid right? looks best to start deffensive and add more offence the more comfortable i get
solid cairn
i'm pretty new with the prot too but i use reprisal in raid (only doing hmat the moment )
hoary crow
should I switch from venthyr?
glacial skiff
So if I swap covenant and get to 40 renown and later decide I want to swap back do I need to grind out 40 renown again with the covenant I left or what?
hoary crow
No you get 40 back
solid cairn
And if you want to do some m+ i think reprisal is easier , since you start the pack with some rage and SB
fringe marten
I used reprisal for our last half of prog and kill on sludgefist, we have private logs but I would have come in at (the day of) 5th? or 6th for warrior. I think jakey had me by like 105 dps, or like 90 dps or something. 😦 my Phial was 207..if I would have had a better phial I might have been another rank higher.
glacial skiff
So after hitting renown 40 with two covenants I can just freely swap between the two whenever I feel like it?
hoary crow
yes, there is a 2 week period you need to wait though
fringe marten
Sludge is an exception though; you don't get to make great use of Reprisal on a lot of the other castle Nathria encounters.
ionic fern
i guess for started i should probably run the wall in raid right? looks best to ...
Yes, The Wall is a solid choice for raiding that brings you passive benefits just by doing the rotation properly.
fringe marten
Depending on your gear/raid etc of course (and I'm talking about mythic raiding, but content is still relative to a degree) you can get away with running the wall+anger management on most of the mythic fights..and have insanely fast shield wall regen.
And with the upcoming tank changes... 😉
@jagged pier what was your guys TTK on sludgefist?
jagged pier
TTK?
lusty ember
time to kill i'm guessing
jagged pier
I dunno 2-3 weeks cant remebr
Too long
If u mean how long was the kill like late 5 mins or somthing
fringe marten
no lol
on your last week? or whenever kill..(this week? LOL..between work and other crap I forget it's sunday)
your logged kill time
5 min.? 5 min 20?
jagged pier
5:40 somthing i think
fringe marten
He hit the wall for us; then we got him like a few seconds after he woke up..I think that's about how most folks are doing it? Guilds with 'really fast' kill times don't have him hit the wall.
jagged pier
Yer we hit the wall for us but like instantly died in the stun
fringe marten
k; yeah I think that's how most guilds are doing it..because you really can't go much past that.
jagged pier
For fist kills fod sure
For*
I think we did loose someone at somepoint so, we might have killed before
Or just as he charged
jagged pier
Well yer if he hits the wall like the raid dies as enrage
But i mean before that charge eariker in the fight
fringe marten
yeah, he hits the wall and basically there's so much rubble and raid damage you will not survive much passed it.
I think I may have simply forgotten to utilize shattering on first pillar too.
jagged pier
Honestly if i didnt fuck up at the end i think i could have got rank 1 as i had a full rage bar to execute into for the damage increase but i charged back got stunned and had to dace the charge
fringe marten
was using it prepull then realized you can squeeze it in for much more damage while you do the first 'soak' on first pillar.
jagged pier
Nah i just used soaks to setup demo and throw spear
fringe marten
Right; (and avatar)
but you can on that first pillar..squeeze in your shattering too.
as he charges you, avatar..hit the demo if he's in range while you are in the soak..shatter..and then move to your second soak, then go hamskies.
but then I think I forgot to do it on our kill shot LOL
fringe marten
avatar/demo pillar stun shattering? that's a very strong hit of damage..yeah it's worth.
It would have been very difficult to take #1 spot..you see the trinkets he has LOL
fringe marten
That's my point..by like 90 dps...#1 has us both by 400+
and his shattering throw, was on pillar 1.
jagged pier
Yer because he ran dreadvessel
fringe marten
yup
jagged pier
I wasnt allowed to run 2 dps trinkets
fringe marten
he had insane trinkets; so ? oh well.
jagged pier
If i was allowed to run sin i probs would have beaten him
But no put the slg trinekt on
fringe marten
Yeah I dug out my 207 putrefaction and bat wing...now I wish I had farmed up new putrefaction.
Most of our raid has moved beyond it; I think my cotank still used one, and I think 1 dk?
what they would gain from another person using another SLG trinket is so small now, they don't care.
jagged pier
You should have a group of it to help with tank damage anyway, and the dps only loose like 5 dps or somthing like that
fringe marten
But I'll be in more turtle mode for our first..tons of attempts on SLG.
? tank damage? you mean..our damage output or mitigation? because no one cares about EITHER lol
fringe marten
Yeah if I was like "hey guys can we make a group so I can get more vers for damage mit" "HAHAHAA? what? NO..more dps ..shutup"
stark mica
Should I spam upper reaches to get Reprisal?
fringe marten
If you don't have it; I would get it yes. It's definitely a tool you want in the belt.
All that logs tell me is that; we're all doing it the same..some have higher dps raid, mob dies faster..some got lucky gear drops..etc. But fundamentally pretty much doing the same stuff when comitted to damage output...everyone has the same talents, everyone using reprisal (for sludge) etc.
Though there was some shifts in soul binds; which I thought was cool.
and sometimes your raid just doesn't really let you even try..they have a different strat/etc..I think sludge is the only really homogenized encounter where everyone is really going to be doing it exactly the same pretty much.
Fireblood and Kyrian phial do NOT cure mythic SLG effects right?
jagged pier
They do not
fringe marten
I've literally never tank swapped on SLG or huntsman...in heroic or mythic; but now we going to be doing SLG Mythic for the first time and I'll be forced to swap as intended.
well? we swap in p3 for the fist thing from the ..other general bat guy
jagged pier
Nither
fringe marten
hm?
dry spear
i taked to my main tank (DH) yesterday about tips in puggin m+ as a tank (i am dps mainly). and he said something about not overlapping CDs as a DH. how is it as a prot warri? do we overlap CDs or is one-at-a-time enough? i count as CDs: demo shout, last stand, shield wall and cry
fringe marten
It's a fairly similar situation; unless you absolutely for whatever reason have to...you aren't going to blow all your big defensives at once; it leaves you too vulnerable later. (if the content/encounter is lethal)
Demo shout is USUALLY used on cooldown, as it's used as both offensive and defensive..and you generally use it instantly as you engage whatever you're fighting...but again; not always.
jagged pier
No i was just saying i dont taunt swap ither
fringe marten
Oh yeah; so...SLG will be a really new learning curve... (but swapping the bat/kaal early on is no biggie)
jagged pier
Yer we did but then we realised it was pointless tbh
fringe marten
SIccore, Rallying cry is generally used not for yourself though. It's generally used on nasty pridefuls, bosses like Margrave Stradama...(plaguefall boss) etc.
dry spear
hmm okok
fringe marten
Rallying cry is prot warriors biggest group/raid utility aside from Battle Shout..and it's actually a VERY powerful group/raid cooldown.
fringe marten
correct..and demo shout. But as I said demo shout is 'mostly' an..on engage/insta cast...cast on CD ability.
dry spear
i just dont want t run into a pack, and press all my holyshit buttons if i know that this is not good because i will sit on a long CD
i play with reprisal so i have a good amount of shieldblock uptime
fringe marten
Also do not forget; it's not a 'cooldown' but intimidating shout is usable as a way to stop multiple casters in a pack, along with shockwave..or a way to stop the pack for a second so you can get away, or break a channeled ability (the bubble shield in plaguefall/etc)
fringe marten
Little things a lot of newer prot wars forget about is using Intimidating shout as a spell interrupt, using heroic leap to reset taunt (rarely needed but can be useful in raids if a mob taunt DR's)
And as far as cooldown usage; the big one is of course shield wall..and you'll know when you can just use it to stand n' bang..or if you HAVE to have it for an upcoming pull/pack.
I mean..you'll get to know as you run zones more/etc.
The only big one that stands out right away is that you have to have shield wall for the second pack in De Other Side; so you can engage and live long enough to establish threat; get your shockwave and reflect off (if you can get the position right on it) then interrupt...and you're either kiting or pack has to be mostly dead.
dry spear
i thank you very much for your time.
fringe marten
That's another trick if you haven't played prot too much; Reflect only does 1 ability..generally. However if you can force mobs to align casts up; and they cast EXACTLY at the same time; you can reflect them all at once. The major use for that is in spires of ascension. on NON inspiring weeks..you can engage the packs of..? Birds? the blue wyvern/birds. Wait a sec...see cast bars; shockwave them...then when they all unstun they will all cast EXACTLY together. You can reflect them all in 1 shot.
fringe marten
There's like ? a couple other spots you can sometimes make use of that; but that's the big one that results in actually a lot of dps for you/your team.
It's inspiring week so it's super jank to pull it off this week, you have to keep the inspiring mob out..etc.
In uhh..? Necrowake on the big packs of casters before boss 2; after your orb fades you can get off a shockwave/reflect and get a couple abilities together.
blazing condor
You can also spell reflect the soul splits in MoTS so the ads take a buncha extra damage
fringe marten
Remember not to confuse abilities that you want to reflect with things you NEED to interrupt too.
Yup; lots of cool places to use reflect..the only prob with that is; you'll get 1 reflect in, and they'll hit you with soul split like 5 sec later anyway.
But you still wanna do it
..welp..guess I'll go get my week of Torghast in.. =\ and see if there's any oceanic pugs doing Sunking heroic..
unique tree
also some boss abilities are reflectable, even tho they don't look like it. like DoS soulcrush and piercing barb or scythe from ToP (most melee hits with magic damage built in)
fringe marten
Does piercing barb full reflect or is it a deflect? (either way you wanna do it LOL)
fringe marten
Yeah piercing barb is legit terrifying on a solid key on tyrranical.
junior cliff
Guys I can’t decide I like all covenants. Which one would benefit me most for both high keys and mythic raiding? As prot
They all feel like they have uses and downsides
fringe marten
Kyrian, Nightfae, and even Necrolord are all viable for that; I think Venthyr is viable but is only attractive if you want to also play a DPS.
junior cliff
Yeah I’m currently necro and love it. But feels like it doesn’t bring as much to the table as others can sometimes
fringe marten
And I think the overall better 2 are Kyrian and Night Fae...and due to the combination of the soul bind talents and covenant abilities I think night fae is a tiny bit more damage..mostly in the aoe 'burst' department. and Kyrian is more frequent burst, and I think better survivability due to the phial.
I think necrolord is really cool and niche but you're really going all in mostly for that banner; necrolords real covenant ability isn't so great in actual combat; as it is to be used before it. (still good, just not? great? and not a damage boost) I think the overall best two are currently Kyrian and Night Fae. If you are going to be pushing mythic raiding as well as keys; I would probably lean into Kyrian.