protection

[flint roost]

You can dancing rune to bone cap like a true chadwick

[uneven mason]

oh my god that new lego

rather the improvemnts to CRW

pure squee

[hot oxide]

The DR every minute?

[chilly brook]

Death strike healing is entirely based on damage intake, if you pop defensives when you dont actually need them to survive you're negatively impacting your rune/rp economy

[uneven mason]

its reprisal for BDKs

[uneven mason]

Math is hard griff

[hot oxide]

That’s what separates good from best in terms of BDK

[chilly brook]

This is why Blood is realistically the highest skill cap tank

[cinder nova]

Seems like DK is one of the more thought-intensive tanks

[copper lava]

Shhhh

[chilly brook]

Blood isn't "reactive"

You have to know what's going on

And plan accordingly

[restive wigeon]

is there a restriction to how often you can change covenants? I'm necro atm and I have like 10k anima in my venthyr bottle, can I go venthyr, grab that and instantly swap to kyrian?

[uneven mason]

Its reactive in how it deals with damage, but its not just "fly by the seat of my pants"

you have to pre plan resources

but you use them in reaction to what happens

[chilly brook]

Mistakes you make 7-9 globals before your death actually cause your death

[uneven mason]

☝️ sounds like 8.0 prot

[flint roost]

Its the transition from solo questing to tanking as bdk. Taking deathstrike out of a dps rotation and saving it for spike dmg

[hot oxide]

How do you take your animal out of the bank thing?

[restive wigeon]

you buy items for it and sell them at your new covenant

xd

[uneven mason]

this

[restive wigeon]

did that on my last swap as well

[hot oxide]

Holy shit, i never knew this

[soft lotus]

Hi. Do holy palas benefit from our AP shout when they do dps? E.g. how important is it to buff a combat ressed holy pala?

[uneven mason]

yes

[copper lava]

Sounds like wrath prot

[chilly brook]

Probably not

[uneven mason]

wait

holy, no

they're sp

[cinder nova]

What is this?

[uneven mason]

thought it said prot

[cinder nova]

Am I missing something

[hot oxide]

Thinking of making my DK frost

[uneven mason]

wdym WoTLK prot was amazing

[restive wigeon]

wym?

[cinder nova]

Buying at one covenant and selling at another?

[uneven mason]

if you swap covenants, you can buy all the stuff to empty your anima bank, and then you just do the sellback within the hour

[restive wigeon]

ye that way you "convert" your anima storage to your new covenant

[uneven mason]

and it fills the new bank

[cinder nova]

Bruh

I feel so cheated

I had like 5K in my bank

[uneven mason]

right

[hot oxide]

I left so much anima behind...

[restive wigeon]

thats why i wanna go venthyr for 5 mins

[uneven mason]

yeah my Kyrian bank had like 5500 whe NI went venth

[restive wigeon]

grab my anima

and go kyrian

[uneven mason]

and didn't think of it

[restive wigeon]

but im not sure if its possible to change instantly again

is it?

[uneven mason]

to go back

no

[restive wigeon]

like im necro rn

[hot oxide]

Gotta do a quest to go back to a left covenant

[restive wigeon]

I wanna go venthyr, grab my anima, and sell them at the kyrians

but I have been kyrian before

[uneven mason]

not gonna be that esy

[hot oxide]

Kyrians hate you because you left, you need to do a quest for them to accept you again

[restive wigeon]

they love me

I was their strongest

they shall acceptt me

[hot oxide]

They like your abilities in battle, as a person they hate you

[restive wigeon]

big tru

they only value my might

but its only 1 quest?

[hot oxide]

They’re like “man, that 1 person could kick ass, but he was a Dick so f him”.

Not sure, i just know it’s a quest. Never done it myself.

[restive wigeon]

the venthyr sure fucking hate me as well

ditched them months ago

[mighty valley]

yeah we still talk about you at sinfall

what a piece of shit, leaving us behind like that

[restive wigeon]

damn man im still hiding from dravens sight in oribos

[cinder nova]

Yeah I hate the way they made Covenants so restrictive

Makes no sense.

Imagine the afterlife really being that juvenile

[restive wigeon]

do you have to do both "prove your worth" quests before you can enter your rejoined covenants sanctum again?

[sweet summit]

yeah

[restive wigeon]

so if I buy stuff for anima and I want to sell it at a rejoined covenant i have 2 hours to complete both quests

should be easy if I spam heroics tho

do I have to complete the first quest before the weekly reset to get the second one?

or just have it accepted

[cinder storm]

complete first one then second one will be available after reset

[restive wigeon]

how long do you think the first quest takes me

I spam stomp heroics

if I*

[cinder storm]

what cov you are trying to swap to?

[hot oxide]

Not long, it’s time gated though for the 2nd

[restive wigeon]

how exactly?

[hot oxide]

You do 1 quest for loyalty

Then another for forgiveness

[restive wigeon]

ye from what ive read now its 2 times the exact same quest

[hot oxide]

Yup

[restive wigeon]

im planning on buying stuff for anima > doing the swap > completing first quest > instantly accept second quest on reset > complete that one > sell anima stuff at new covenant

[hot oxide]

Time gated. So you can’t get the 2nd quest till reset and if you don’t finish the 1st quest in time, goes wait

[restive wigeon]

so I will probably swap like 1 hour before weekly reset

and blast the first quest

[cinder storm]

There is a npc you can farm in bastion if you are planning on going kyrian

[restive wigeon]

I will have to go venthyr first because theres a chunk of anima in that storage that i need

and the week following that ill do the same shit and rejoin kyrian

im just tryna calculate how long I need to complete the first quest

each heroic dungeon boss kill is worth 12% of the bar

[cinder storm]

the kyrian farm takes about an hour or so

[rough vine]

so, what are the hot covenants now for Prot and/or Fury? Is there one I could take that would be good for both? Looking at doing M+ more than raiding I think.

[restive wigeon]

realistically theres no way I need an hour to fill the bar if I spam heroics on prot

[vestal moat]

NF is the hottest in my opinion right now.

[restive wigeon]

its more like 2 and a half dungeons

[cinder nova]

NF

[copper lava]

Oh I ment planning ahead to not be dead and 6-10gcds ahead messing up knowing the cause of death

[wintry jetty]

2 dungeons + a wq is enough for the quest

[north rampart]

Have wq 9/10 complete before switching?

[tranquil turtle]

Even after reading I can't really decide. Would you guys craft the wall or reprisal for general play? this is my first warrior/prot warrior.

[restive wigeon]

reprisal for m+ / wall for raids

if youre doing both probably the wall

reprisal doesnt really have value in raids whereas the wall has some value in m+

[mighty valley]

people are making reprisal work in raids... I'm too lazy rn though

also haven't found replacements for my wall shoulders yet, so my choices are wall with 226 legs or reprisal with 210 shoulders

[copper lava]

Yeah I did reprisal as my first lego and ngl wish I had done the wall but I am enjoying the dam increase in m+

[mighty valley]

i'd still give the edge to wall when progging in any case probably, if dying is any kind of concern

[slim pier]

Nice buffs

[floral pewter]

hot damn https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-tank-tuning-10-overall-damage-reduction-to-all-tanks-vengeance-dh-magic-321588

[latent oriole]

Lolwut. I would hope they mean "all tanks except warrior"

[slim pier]

What do you mean

This isn’t a damage nerf, it’s a damage reduction buff for all tanks

[floral pewter]

it's a 10% reduction to damage taken, not to our damage dealt

[amber herald]

prot warr is going to be giga tanky

[cinder skiff]

This also means 9.1 is far off

[astral crystal]

wait does this mean vanguard gets 110%?

or is it a flat 10% aura?

[solemn magnet]

so DH another 10% better, got it

[floral pewter]

VDH doesn't get the 10% buff

[wind surge]

oh I thought it was 10% less dmg dealt

[cinder skiff]

No doubt get 5% the rest get 10%

[sweet summit]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[astral crystal]

it's 10% less dmg taken

[cinder skiff]

No DH

[latent oriole]

Oh I thought damage dealt

[cinder skiff]

Not doubt

[floral pewter]

VDH get 5% extra mitigation, and loses the magic damage reduction bug

[amber herald]

it says "to the effect" so who knows what it'll be

if they slap a 10% damage reduction buff to vanguard that'd be hilarious

wait no I read it wrong

they are doing that lmao

[torn gust]

fuck yeah prot warrior op again :y

[flint roost]

10% allows for what...3 more keys? Heh

[floral pewter]

I feel like this is probably most beneficial to prot paladin, since they struggle the most with mitigation

but making us unkillable while also having high damage now will be great

[torn gust]

^

[floral pewter]

VDH meta bye, prot/prot meta hello

[flint roost]

Bdk will smooth out a bit as well

[mighty valley]

I think other classes will catch up a little but I don't think people are just gonna toss their VDHs

maybe some FOTM swappers will go back to their original tanks

[torn gust]

very true

[amber herald]

VDH won't be dethroned until dps meta changes

[fresh belfry]

VDH is shit dps tho

oh you mean

dps classes

(:

[amber herald]

yeah because of chaos brand

5% more dmg for boomies and fire mage is a lot

[hollow silo]

Is warrior meta now do I reroll

[sweet summit]

if you believe hard enough

[flint roost]

Everyone should have a warr ready at all times

[hollow silo]

I just want to beat plka on rio

[sweet summit]

how high is your warrior rn?

[fresh belfry]

swapping back and forth between VDH and prot warr discord

good laughs

[sweet summit]

what are they saying

[signal plover]

that our pp smol

but rly THEIR pp smol

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

Fucking poggers

We gonna be invincible to melee now bois kappa

[lucid bough]

not kapa thou

[chilly brook]

I mean we'll still take damage

[maiden ravine]

If they buff thick skin on druids, I'm gonna slap on oath to have flat 28% DR haha

[chilly brook]

It's a welcome buff though to all the tanks

Like very welcome

[maiden ravine]

I may actually play my warrior again

[dense flame]

[chilly brook]

Cant believe it took them this long though to do it

[amber herald]

what's oath?

[signal plover]

imagine quitting warrior like a coward

[fresh belfry]

for raids its giga boring

i hope next tier wont be undertuned

[maiden ravine]

oath is a druid legendary that buffs your affinity passives and grants you heart of the wild for a bit when you shift into your affinity form every 60 seconds

[sweet summit]

i dont tank raids, but this raid was sleep til sire right?

[maiden ravine]

it buffs the passives by 75% which is why it'll be silly if they buff druid's passive 6% dr to 16%

[fresh belfry]

i mean it did slap harder on tanks than in bfa

significantly

but i think that was a good thing

SLG prenerf and sludgefist undergeared also slapped

[amber herald]

I don't get it

unless you're getting the guardian affinity buff in guardian?

[simple stump]

Aight so is it prot or guardian that's bis now

Hit me with it

[sweet summit]

vdh still i guess

[fresh belfry]

^

[sweet summit]

hard to predict the future

but thats my guess

[fresh belfry]

vdh isnt dominating dungeon meta because they take so little damage lol

cant facetank anyway

and magic damage taken is giga low in dungeons

[deft copper]

dang the DH disc is kinda salty

[fresh belfry]

yeah its giga fun

[elfin nova]

there's one guy POPPING OFF

[deft copper]

One guy said in what way are they overperforming

kiting

thats where

[deep steppe]

I mean VDH is flavor of the month, gotta expect some fools in that disc

[topaz ember]

prot warrior new meta is my guess 🙂 just got to believe hard enough

and it will come true

[vestal vault]

I like that they did it in a necrotic week

[blazing condor]

honestly they do be kiting well

[sweet summit]

its not live til next reset

[deft copper]

next reset

[remote tusk]

Unluck.

[blazing condor]

next week is gonna be such a push week

[flint roost]

Small bet. Next raid is heavy magic dmg and we get bdk meta

[deft copper]

not well they're doing it heads and shoulders above the other tanks

calling the prot/prot meta

[remote tusk]

So Demonic Wards will reduce Physical Damage taken by 20% and Magical Damage taken by 5% in the change?

Or am I reading it wrong

[signal plover]

calling the continuation of the "every tank will be fine" meta

[deft copper]

Well, yeah

but that's boring

[signal plover]

truth usually is

[deft copper]

gimme that spicy arms warrior off tank meta

[fast wyvern]

Guardians were tanky as shit anyway

[floral pewter]

31/5/15 will rise again!

[daring bay]

How is prot dmg wise? compared to other tanks

in m+ ofc :)

[grand drum]

📈

honestly idk but its pretty high compared to my bdk lol

[daring bay]

Well, my 190 holypriest do more dmg than bdk :)

[chilly brook]

Fights definitely have been way more scary than BFA fights tbh

[signal plover]

i've enjoyed this tier as a tank tbh

[chilly brook]

Like maybe not the most mechanically involved but stuff actually hurts

Sludge enrage actually kinda scares me

[fresh belfry]

except for kiting general kaal to avoid bleeds

that sucked

[signal plover]

is also very satisfying to execute blocks well on sludge tho

[chilly brook]

But I mean also not my job to worry about myself outside of making sure I'm popping mitigation

[elfin nova]

sludge was not really that hard to live but he still hits harder than like every boss in nyalotha combined

[chilly brook]

Just once you hit the 35% you kinda pucker a little

[signal plover]

30 but yeh

[elfin nova]

and ye he does hurt in enrage

[ancient fractal]

hi

what does condemn feel like to play with as prot?

[surreal sinew]

fien in raids

not so in keys

[mighty valley]

Cool and powerful on bosses, non-existent on big m+ pulls

[surreal sinew]

☝️

you'll do fine with it though

[maiden ravine]

I like it on bosses in dungeons

satisfying thunks

[mighty valley]

yeah it's pretty good on tyrannical weeks

[ancient fractal]

I'm just not sure if to drop necrolord for it, I'm addicted to that thick absorb with damage mitigation, I like the self sustain

[mighty valley]

why would you switch if you like necrolord?

[surreal sinew]

☝️

[ancient fractal]

it's the mog

necrolord plate mog's just not as cool

and I already have other chars on necro so I feel like fleshcraft gonna get old eventually

I wish cov switching was as easy as threads of fate, that would've been cool

[distant crystal]

just give it a cooldown

like you can cov switch no strings every week or something

[ancient fractal]

I just switched, takes a quest + another one after reset

[distant crystal]

that's the second switch right

like you switched back to one you'd left before

[sweet summit]

thats switching back yeah

[ancient fractal]

yes

new is instant

[soft lotus]

Hi, I'm only ilvl 190, but I'm having a few empty GCDs with devastator. Am I doing something crazy wrong? Or is that okay? Does it get better with haste or something?

[surreal sinew]

yeah it's ok, haste will fix it

[soft lotus]

would i be better off going war machine or punish and switching to devastator later?

[surreal sinew]

no most probably not

[soft lotus]

alright, thanks!

[sweet summit]

youll have dead gcds with devastator

thats just a thing

[latent oriole]

Isn't it technically better to take devastator though

If you can manage to robotically work it in the way it's supposed to be done

Er NOT to take it, rather I mean

[limpid burrow]

Did you check tank dmg reduce tuning

Pretty insane

[sweet summit]

devastator is the optimal talent choice on that row

yeah looks like a solid change

a step in the right direction

[topaz ember]

would you say it would be devastating not to take it?

[sweet summit]

[latent oriole]

I think you could prob devastate if you worked it into rotation

[sweet summit]

we know where it is in the rotation

at the very bottom

[compact palm]

It exists to reset slam

That is all

U could swap to a 2h and auto for more dmg then it does

[steep condor]

shuld i be using bolster rather than anger managment during necrotic week?

[sweet summit]

id still play AM tbh

[steep condor]

ok thx

[sweet summit]

only thing id change was to go to kleia instead of pelagos if i were kyrian

[steep condor]

how many stacks of necrotic before you run for the hills?

[sweet summit]

depends on a lot of things

[steep condor]

im venth

[warm silo]

depends on alot yeah

if you arent gonna take dmg, there is no need

[sweet summit]

so am i

[warm silo]

how do you like venthyr prot?

[sweet summit]

kiting during necrotic depends on:
your current hp
pack hp
cooldowns/externals available
which mobs youre fighing
etc

[steep condor]

this is my first day of prot so ill let erga answer that

erga hmm ok 🤯

[sweet summit]

venthyrs good fun

but its clearly the weakest option in aoe

[warm silo]

basically it depends alot on the dmg ur gonna take and if you can handle with necrotic or not

[sweet summit]

which kinda sucks

[warm silo]

yeah when do you even use condemn

[sweet summit]

but i do respectable damage on prides and bosses

prides and bosses

lol

[warm silo]

haha

but you have to sac defense no?

[sweet summit]

eh

kinda

[warm silo]

or do u only press if you have spare rage

[sweet summit]

its a bit weaker than IP

but its so close doesnt really matter

when u can condemn u just ignore IP and use condemn on ST

[warm silo]

yeah i guess

im fae atm, cuz i wanna play fury aswell

but everyone tells me to go kyrian

not sure if i wanna

[sweet summit]

NF is more damage

kyrian has phial

[warm silo]

yeah for sure

[sweet summit]

thats the tradeoff

really close

[warm silo]

aftershock is nice for pugs tbh

just for random stops

[sweet summit]

for sure

[daring marlin]

Kyrian is nice in M+ for the buffs too

[warm silo]

yeah ofc

[daring marlin]

Since so few actually go Kyrian

[warm silo]

not alot of other classes are kyrian

ye exactly

[daring marlin]

Usually falls on the tank

[sweet summit]

and theres that

[warm silo]

except some hpals and ww monks

a few rogues i guess and a few hunters

[daring marlin]

That's pretty much it lol

[warm silo]

im seeing more hunters going kyrian

not sure if its just for fun

[daring marlin]

The 1 min build slaps

[finite orbit]

Ret pally can go kyrian

[sweet summit]

hunters do for pvp

[warm silo]

true

[daring marlin]

Especially after spirits nerf

[finite orbit]

Not as common as venth tho

[warm silo]

wait

are more ret pallys going venthyr than kyrian?

i thought kyrian was better

[finite orbit]

I mean venthyr is generally better for raid, but a lot have switched for reclear

[daring marlin]

There are more Kyrian rets than Venthyr now I think

Especially in keys

[finite orbit]

Yeah

I want kyrian on my pally for that reason

[daring marlin]

Also the final verdict buff was massive

[finite orbit]

^

[warm silo]

for pally id go venthyr though

to play holy i think

[daring marlin]

Hollow sucks for ret compared to prot and holy

[finite orbit]

Ashen hollow is kinda monkaw in keys

For holy

Just since divine toll is super good

[daring marlin]

Hpal would prolly do more damage in ashen than the ret

[finite orbit]

The damage is really good tho

They’d probably do about the same tbh

Which is a bummer for ret

[warm silo]

i mean seeing like ellesmere etc

on some bosses and prides

with hollow

is nuts

[finite orbit]

True

If you’ve got a group that plays around it

It’s really good

[warm silo]

yeah

[celest chasm]

Yo that aura Dr tho????

[strong forum]

Stonks 📈

[celest chasm]

That's gonna feel so nice

[lilac quail]

Are there active mitigation checks in shadowlands, or was that just Legion?

[sweet summit]

i have no idea what that is so i dont think its been a thing since legion

[lilac quail]

there used to be boss abilities that did fkloads of damage to the tank if they didn't have their class specific Active Mitigation ability up - shield block for warriors

[strong forum]

It was only a legion thing

[sweet summit]

oh so just like every single attack

[strong forum]

Has been entirely removed

[sweet summit]

[lilac quail]

well there's ya problem blizzard

tank damage is so high because you keep Hazzikostas around

[marsh aurora]

i ran a 14 mists and i got fucking destroyed by every pack, my health is dropping low 24/7

[sweet summit]

👀

[marsh aurora]

and i can't tell if i'm doing smth wrong

[sweet summit]

link logs

[waxen cradle]

Ok guys yet another freaking DoS run and no Scale trinket... I am reeeing pretty hard now trying to get that trinket

[sweet summit]

you 100% are

[marsh aurora]

will link

[lilac quail]

were you getting out of necro?

[marsh aurora]

huuuh at 30 stacks i started considering

running

but with 205 ilvl, probably not my best move

[lilac quail]

it reduces healing taken

[marsh aurora]

yeah

i know it does

but like

i thought i could smooth sail it as this is an alt

[torn stump]

using battle master conq trink until i get scale

[marsh aurora]

we still went +2 but like damn

[torn stump]

100k hp ez

[marsh aurora]

uploading log atm maybe you can help cause that felt wrong and i know i'm doing A LOT of things wrong

[sweet summit]

ill have a look bud

[marsh aurora]

wait my log file reseted

what

[sweet summit]

[marsh aurora]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fTvgtGwF9pHnqMyY/#fight=last

there it is

my key so i took big guys to carry me, i didn't think they'd carry THAT much

i was an absolute weight

[pure sun]

Show of force vs ashen jug for second potency conduit as kyr

[lofty widget]

SoF m+, ashen for raid

[mighty valley]

hmmmmmm you overcapped 1000 rage, you could be throwing on more IPs if you're getting trucked

[quasi marlin]

is Necrolord best for prot warriors now?

[mighty valley]

if i'm reading this right

[pure sun]

nah

[mighty valley]

no, kyrian and nf probably best overall but all four are fine, arguments for each

[feral remnant]

In terms of dps, whats the state of prot warriors in m+?

[marsh aurora]

good dps and high aoe burst

single target is meh

[steep condor]

vampire life ftw

[torn stump]

huge condooms on bosses

[steep condor]

misread that ><

so day 1 of tanking is an emotional rollercoaster. From the high of soloing torghst as my first prot warrior activity to the lows of failing +5 keys and getting flamed to the highes of 3 chesting a 7 pf.. all in just a few hours.

seems to me tanking is more about how well the DPS and healer do than what the tank ddoes 🙂

when the dps was strong tanking felt easy and fun.. when they were poor it was horrible... getting necrotic stacks and just praying stuff dies.

[sweet summit]

your blocked hits are solid mate
should try to dodge tongue lashing, its a frontal so just walk back out of it. it hurts a lot
you can spell reflect soul rip, sync the cast with a shockwave like ~3 seconds into the pull ish then hit spell reflect 📈
you wasted A FUCKTON of rage. use ignore pain as a rage dump to avoid overcapping

Fueled by Violence is pretty fucking shit, i recommend getting/using Unnerving Focus instead of that

Kleia with Ascended Phial is great during Necrotic weeks

[marsh aurora]

i got unnerving focus right after that run

and i still don't have SoF

[sweet summit]

SoF is a very small damage increase, dont stress it

1% on ST and like 2-3% in AoE

[marsh aurora]

well i need DoS for a scale i can upgrade to 220 without wasting my valor cap anyways so

[gentle notch]

I got mine after 35 runs dont give up!

It had avoidance so it was worth

[marsh aurora]

do you spam victory rush in m+ btw ?

[sweet summit]

if you can cast it and you dont have full HP, why not

free heal

[gentle notch]

I remember being immortal on last boss of underrot, each of the orbs counted as a KB so you could just victory rush every other global

[sweet summit]

lmao yeah

remember when explosive orbs triggered victory rush? good times

[marsh aurora]

so i guess i should focus on getting gear and dumping rage

[sweet summit]

yeah, never overcap rage. especially with anger management

[marsh aurora]

well i'm not really doing it on purpose ahahah

it's more like i'm focusing on 20 things and i forgot rage for a few secs

[sweet summit]

happens

just gotta get used to the spec i guess

[marsh aurora]

yeup will do

thx a lot 😄

[sweet summit]

no worries

hope to see you around

[marsh aurora]

heh you'll, rerolled to tank so i'm gonna be bothering you for a while

[hot oxide]

So new tank buffs

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern how good is prot warrior now with this buff? are they the best tank

[hot oxide]

10% across the board, but VDH isn’t clear

Is it 15% loss then add 5% or just nerf them by 10%?

[sweet summit]

i think so yeah

[charred osprey]

Its nerf by 10% without fixing the bug

I believe

I think this will make bears extremly strong in m+. Like we gonna start going away from kiting meta

[mystic ridge]

Bears can already facetank gigapulls during incarn

[hot oxide]

They did say they wanted to get away from the current meta in mythic

[daring bay]

well, who dosnt

[hot oxide]

We also want to address feedback that we’ve heard about overall tank survivability in Shadowlands, especially in Mythic Keystone dungeons.

With this 10% buff to over all dmg

Kitting might be a 25+ mythic

Is it a hot fix or restart buff?

[mighty valley]

going live with reset

[gentle oak]

I don't like this change

[mighty valley]

they are fixing the bug and compensating with 5% DR

[gentle oak]

tanking is about getting hit like a madman and having resiliance and smarts to outplay it

10% more physical reduction means it will be expected of tanks to go dps trinkets

[sweet summit]

🤔

[compact palm]

Debatable

[hot oxide]

10% across the board, not just physical

[compact palm]

10% doesn't mean u can suddenly facetank 15s

[sweet summit]

you can currently facetank 15s

[compact palm]

If u pull small

[hot oxide]

Aside from a few mobs, what cant you facetank in 15s?

[gentle oak]

this is a lazy approach by blizzard, they'd need to rework tanks to have a proper tools to deal with damage

[sweet summit]

15s dont really hurt that bad

maybe not during necrotic

but yeah

[compact palm]

Dos

[gentle oak]

everything up to +20 mythic? idk what you mean 15 sec is not really that long

[sweet summit]

+15 keys

not 15 seconds

[daring bay]

jokes on u, already doing that

[gentle oak]

ah

[compact palm]

Well

[daring bay]

Healers hate me

[compact palm]

I'm out of the loop it seems

[gentle oak]

I mean, since we are at warrior discord, and warrior are the kind of tanks that facetank, I don't see the issue

[compact palm]

I retarct my statement and will wallow in shame

[hot oxide]

Because you make them do their job

[gentle oak]

idk, in legion tanks did the same damage in dungeon as dps, if they itemized right
in shadowlands it really was looking like blizzard wants to go into different direction with tanks and finally force tanks to go full defensive if they want to survive

[mighty valley]

it's all entirely a sliding scale based on key level and gear level

[gentle oak]

with the additonal changes to target cap the flat damage reduction seems pointless, since pulling more will just make you loose all them aggros

[hot oxide]

i've always agree'd with this stance, it's not our job to be huge dps. it's our job to survive. we should be equipped with such IMO

[mighty valley]

if you want to have to go defensive to survive, push to a higher key

[gentle oak]

I mean sure, mr @mighty valley I tanked +10 and I tanked +22, these are still the same games and these are still the same problems.

The huge popularity of DH is not because they take the least damage, but because they can generate threat with 1 button, use 2nd button to stay alive for 6 sec and get the fuck outta dodge and dps clears the rest

[hot oxide]

the insane mobility with this helps

[gentle oak]

I was so happy that I tanked sludgefist mythic 214 on my 8 days old warrior, it was hard af, it took a lot of my attention to keep the CDs and know the layout of the fight.

now the same thing could be done with a 205 ilvl warrior, since 10% physical reduction is basically a difference between these two exrtemes

[floral pewter]

with uncapped revenge, isn't prot aoe damage now some of the best among tanks...?

[sweet summit]

its up there in aoe

[gentle oak]

I would actually say that warrior has comparable mobility to DH, since we are running NF for higher keys from what I so

oh and isn't revange capped by "deals reduced damage beyond 5 targets"?

[hot oxide]

I wouldn't go that far. I would say we have tools, but not on par with DH

[sweet summit]

less damage>no damage

[gentle oak]

well then we ain't target capped at all lads

thunderclap is the same

[sweet summit]

yeah

[gentle oak]

imagine this

you pull 20 mobs

your damage is reduced AF
mages damage isn't

[sweet summit]

very epic

only problem

[mighty valley]

i'm trying to imagine...........

[sweet summit]

is "you pull 20 mobs"

[gentle oak]

DoS

Ardenweald section

[hot oxide]

i saw that today, they pulled a shit load into that hallway leading into the aardenweald section

[gentle oak]

I mean 20 mobs is a normal pull there

[lofty widget]

thats literally 1 case out of hundreds of pulls

[gentle oak]

ok, but scale it lower

to 12 mobs

to 14 mobs

that's not really uncommon

first pull DoS is like 10 mobs

[sweet summit]

its 7

but yeah

[gentle oak]

yeah I see you didin't count the 2 that are at the beggining

so, hoa, 2nd pull

[sweet summit]

5+2

[gentle oak]

oh, you are right, sorry

[sweet summit]

2nd pull HoA is 10 yeah

if you count the smallies

[gentle oak]

and BTW, I'm talking only in the case of this buff to our damage mitigation

you will be, not forced, but you will be inclined to pull more

what my point is

this is a lazy solution to a problem that is complex

give us mechanics to do shit, instead of making the game easier

[mighty valley]

it's a low-effort bugfix update late in the patch cycle

[sweet summit]

oh id argue there are too many mechanics in SL dungeons lol

[mighty valley]

of course they're not going to redesign tanking

[sweet summit]

thats whats limiting your pull size mostly

the amount of kicks needed in the first part of HoA for example

[gentle oak]

I mean every new affix is trying to limit the amount of stuff you pull, true 😄

[marsh aurora]

are warriors really running nf for high keys ?

[mighty valley]

some are

[lofty widget]

anything is run at high keys

[sweet summit]

if youre really pushing youre most likely playing kyrian cos no other spec does, unless WW is back to being meta now idk

[lofty widget]

pretty sure plka has run high keys as every covenant at this point

[marsh aurora]

the way Dargor said it was "nf is the option for high keys"

which seemed weird

[patent osprey]

aye aye

[gentle oak]

oh, sorry, Mao

[marsh aurora]

oh wait yo'ure

that pika guy

the one

thanks for your vids !

really helping

[mighty valley]

the number 2 prot warrior worldwide 😏

[floral pewter]

does anyone know exactly how Revenge aoe scaling works? the best info I could find is a wowhead article that says "Linearly reduced damage from 5 to 12, no change from 12 to 13, uncapped from 13 to 20, soft-capped after 20" and I'm not sure what that means

[marsh aurora]

im actually surprised the super high io guys are DKs or Prot pal before warriors

[floral pewter]

I guess 12 targets take the same total damage as 5 targets, which is 5/12 of a normal revenge, but then 13-20 targets still take the same 5/12 damage?

[signal plover]

https://tenor.com/view/charles-robinson-penis-thats-a-penis-himym-how-i-met-your-mother-gif-4703463

[sweet summit]

go to horny jail

[signal plover]

grabs life by the horns

[gentle oak]

if I'm not mistaken, and I am mistaken quite a lot when it comes to warrior, you are correct, but I really have no data to back this up

I just noticed that is makes little difference if I pull 5 mobs or 10 mobs when it comes to my damage, because upfront damage from stuff like NF skill and ravager is hardcapped anyway

[sweet summit]

ravager on its own doesnt do a whole lot of damage

[gentle oak]

well, when it comes to aggro there's always mass taunt 🤡

[sweet summit]

its mostly the rage gen that owns

[limpid coral]

I need help with a macro for intervene that seems broken for me

[gloomy sundial]

Do we want to run Reprisal now or still use The Wall?

[sweet summit]

reprisal in m+

mostly the wall in raid

but reprisal can also be used in raid if you like the playstyle

[gentle oak]

yeah, @sweet summit, but it's one button and it runs in the back, so it usually still is on pair with thunderclap during a dungeon run 😄

[plush saffron]

reprisal is bis in raid

[limpid coral]

Can someone link me a working intervene macro for mouseover? My macro seems to not want to work

[sweet summit]

yeah its like a bit below thunderclap for me

[gentle oak]

yeah, for me too, like 0,5-1%

[sweet summit]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover] Intervene

[gentle oak]

overall dps ofc

[sweet summit]

yeah

[gloomy sundial]

I see, guess I gotta make that Reprisal legendary if I want to start using Warr for M+

[languid mason]

hey guys is gluttonous spike trinket ok to use for prot? just got tit thats y

it

[sweet summit]

its alright

depends on what other trinkets you have

and the ilvl of that and the others

[limpid coral]

thanks for whatever reason the one I copied off icyveins was not working for me but worked for my budyd

buddy

[languid mason]

nothing else really have blood splattered

with that

[sweet summit]

does solid damage

[night wadi]

when will the 10% dmg reduction on Vanguard get implemented?

[plush saffron]

reset

[sweet summit]

and has a neat self healing component

[languid mason]

memory of dark sins and that darkmoon card

wat u think

[gloomy sundial]

#showtooltip
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene

I use that for Intervene, seems to work fine for me at least.

[sweet summit]

which darkmoon card?

[languid mason]

indomitable

[sweet summit]

o :/

[limpid coral]

that the one from Icyveins?

[sweet summit]

it sucks ass :(

[gloomy sundial]

I don't remember tbh

[sweet summit]

id use memory on ST and spike in aoe

[limpid coral]

looks like it is and it didnt work for me

[night wadi]

yeah but when is it? Still tuesday?

[limpid coral]

I had to press intervene then click it again for it to go off

[plush saffron]

unless they plan to put reset on another day for the first time in 17 years

[sweet summit]

its on reset

[languid mason]

my sblood splattered scale is jus basic that cant be upgraded 184 ilvl

everything else is 200+

[night wadi]

Well they do random server restarts even not on Tuesday so yea not the first time

[languid mason]

wat u guys think so go gluttonous and scale?

[gentle oak]

yo they said it in the post its on march 30th xD

[languid mason]

or gluttonous and dark moon card

[sweet summit]

glutt+scale defensively

[night wadi]

I didn't see it. Thanks

[sweet summit]

sim it for dps

[languid mason]

ok

how do i sim?

:S

i kno i kno sry

dont kno these perks

[sweet summit]

i have a copy pasta for this

[languid mason]

raidbots?

[sweet summit]

sec

yeah

1 - Download this addon https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/simulationcraft
2 - in game type /simc
3 - copy that info
4 - go to https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear
5 - paste it there
6 - choose items/talents etc you want to compare , set Patchwerk, 1 Target in option in bottom preferably with all buffs on , hit Find top gear
7 - profit

if you wanna sim aoe you just change the target count to like 5 or something

[languid mason]

damn

[vestal moat]

So which non DH tank benefits from the overall 10% DR buff on Tuesday?

[languid mason]

ok click quick sim as well

[sweet summit]

all of them

[vestal moat]

Benefits the most , i should say.

Worded that wrong.

I'm thinknig maybe a brewmaster because of how they work.

[gentle oak]

yeah that's most likely true

[vestal moat]

maybe a blood dk too? def not prot

[gentle oak]

blood dk doesn't work on damage reduction, I mean don't get me wrong they will be tankier, but they want to get hit more so they can heal more

[thorny saddle]

hi guys i just got the reprisal legenday and was wondering if i should get SBC over booming voice for m+?

[sweet summit]

yeah BSC>BV with reprisal in m+

[thorny saddle]

ty erga!

[languid mason]

ok waiting for it to load

[thorny saddle]

but dont they want to be less squishy haha i mean yeah you wanna get hit more but the reduced damage still helps with survivability

[gentle oak]

yeah, but not as noticable as for other tanks, because they basically nerfed their self heal by 10% 😄

not really 10%, but 7%

[thorny saddle]

like a reduced spikyness helps

[gentle oak]

sure, it always does, but the whole point of BDK is to outheal the damage taken

it was done right in legion, I was main BDK back then and I yelled at my healers if they tried their healy magic on me

[languid mason]

ok currently equipeed is top gear with gluttonous spike and blood splatered

at my ilvl 201 im droppping in 2,844 dps which is the highest

ok

so the combination of those trinks are best

thx alot guys

❤️

[gentle oak]

I really dislike this buff, the whole reason I want to tank is not because I want it to be easy, I want a raid boss to grab me by the hair, spit in my face and call me a little bitch
I definitely don't want the boss to be equipped with baloon weapons....

[languid mason]

@sweet summit ❤️ thx

[sweet summit]

np bud

[plush saffron]

This isnt your bedroom dargor

[gentle oak]

depends on your relationship with bosses 👌🏿

[sleek echo]

I’m pretty happy for this buff. Feels bad to push keys past the 21 mark when tankiness was the limiting factor, even during cds it could be an issue.

And I’m sure mythic sire will still prove to be a challenge even with 10% more dr 😛

[stable kernel]

just did a dungeon and someone said all tanks getting buffed?

[steep condor]

dratnos has done a video on it already

im about to watch it.

[stable kernel]

ah ok i'll watch too then

o wow lol

[hot oxide]

Link please

[median tulip]

So am I reading this right; Demon Hunters got the shaft, and the rest of the tanks all got buffed?

[torn stump]

they didnt really get the shaft

[grand drum]

they got buffed lol

[torn stump]

more like a light caress on the hole but they kind of liked it

most VDHs are not at stage 2 yet

[steep condor]

https://youtu.be/fRiw3OHXH1w

Yah vdh got a mini buff and everyone else got a bigger buff

[median tulip]

If I'm reading it right, VDM lost some of their insane self-healing

[hot oxide]

Lol this is basically true

[hot oxide]

Just magic defense but gained 5% across the board

[empty spindle]

What % of haste do we cap at

[hot oxide]

10% magic dmg nerf specifically, and then a 5% buff for app damage

All*

I think DKs will get a jump

Druid is gonna be op

[atomic grove]

!conduit

!conduits

[surreal plinth]

!conduits

😐

[atomic grove]

unlucko

😦

[sweet surge]

Is there a way to sort damage taken by type (i.e. physical vs magical) on WCLogs?

[heavy sail]

10% buff

Poggers

As-if druids needed to be 10% more durable though

[mystic zodiac]

The challenge as blood dk is to not get globalled. So 10% definitely is welcome.

[mystic zodiac]

I disagree. There is no nerf to self heal if you dont take the 10% dmg in the first place

[mighty valley]

yeah, "death knights want to take more damage" is a wild take

[grand drum]

taking less damage means that every point of damage you heal up is more valuable. and it increases their EHP to not get 1 shot

[stone sonnet]

do you have a good plater profile to use as protection'

?

[stable kernel]

tbh this update is nice in general

all tanks gonna feel tonky

[vestal moat]

Raid is gonna be pretty easy to tank. just gonna go 2 dps trinks

[hot oxide]

I’m a just pull a shit load after Tuesday maintenance and see what my limit is on each mythic level

[vestal moat]

i mean, it's 10% DR

so roughly 1.5 key levels

Like, a 16 would feel like a 15

very roughlky

[mighty valley]

(pulls three packs, no one kicks anything) "this buff sucked"

[plush tendon]

I caved bois... I went NF

Im weak

[turbid gazelle]

Oh noes

[plush tendon]

I know; good knews I can start on the return quest this week

so If I want to go back, I can on Tuesday

[devout pike]

do you guys think reprisal is better for sire?

heroic

since in p3 u keep charging

[charred siren]

Hey guys, i play mostly Fury but occasionally i run some m+ as Prot. Unsure which trinkets i should use, any tips? also Sanguine Vintage is the 220 ilvl one. the 210 one is Decanter of Anima-Charged Winds

[sweet summit]

phial+decanter/phial+vintage depending on needs

[charred siren]

@sweet summit Thanks for the help. Is there a scenario where i would use Splintered heart of al'ar instead? or is the 8 min CD just too long?

[sweet summit]

the cd resets when/if you actually die

its great if you need a cheat death tbh, but i still dont really recommend it

[charred siren]

@sweet summit Alright. thanks for the help again

Should i get my hands on the Hakkar trinket? would you replace it with decanter/vintage?

[sweet summit]

scale is just a better vintage on a longer cooldown

i would not run both scale and vintage together

[wanton condor]

Heart/scale is my personal dream team

I feel like in m+ if heart never procs you aren't aggro enough

And it just covers mistakes too damn well

[hot oxide]

gotta be honest, yes it be like that

[royal rune]

Does the tank buff make prot war more op

In M+?

[sweet summit]

it affects all tanks, so its as if nothing happened

[plush tendon]

Everyone happy 🙂

VDH a little less so, but who cares

also, initial thought on NF; AA good in cleave, not as much ST

Will continue testing; only been spamming heroics for ez renown

[gleaming pawn]

can shield block duration be stacked, like prot paladin shield of righteeous? so i can have 12 seconds of shield block if i use both charges back to back?

[torn stump]

on Dealer Xy'exa in De Other Side, do fucking melee just gravitate towards the trampoline thats closest to the tank

is their some type of low level melee brain disease that makes them do that

[smoky wave]

Yup, up to a max of 18s, with the exception of bolster that can extend it above this.

[smoky wave]

Spell reflect works on it, not sure if it requires everyone else to go up though

[gleaming pawn]

awesome thanks, just picked up prot warrior to give my guilds tanks a break from tanking raid and m+ and being burned out XD trying to learn as fast as possible

[torn stump]

it will reflect the entire hit?

or just the debuff

[turbid cargo]

I've had a rogue run into one, grappling hook, then run into mine

[torn stump]

see thats just a high level rogue living up to the stereotype

[turbid cargo]

it was so stupid I couldn't even be mad

[smoky wave]

I think it reflects the whole thing, but check the reflect sheet in the pins, I could be wrong and just being saved by the dr

[turbid gazelle]

It reflecs the initial dmg, but the debuff remains

Same for AMS , debuff seems physical

Deflects*

[lilac bloom]

I'm going to craft thunderlord piece

legendary

which one would it be feet or hands

cos i have hand which is 226 gear

[sweet summit]

before you craft it, why?

[lilac bloom]

and my feet is 213

for mythic dungeon plus keys

[sweet summit]

you use reprisal in m+

or the wall

but not thunderlord anymore

[lilac bloom]

i have the wall already

rank 4

[strong forum]

Then get reprisal

[sweet summit]

make reprisal then, it owns hard

[unique shale]

for raiding have port war is must ? cause my guild is like no re rolling to other tank classes we need prot war

[lilac bloom]

but i have to intercept with team mate to get that effect

[strong forum]

So?

It's the best leggo for m+

By miles

[lilac bloom]

ok

[strong forum]

Not a single tank is a must

Just having 2

[lilac bloom]

so what piece should i craft it

[strong forum]

Legs

[sweet summit]

not really, ideally you have a warrior

but you dont need a protection warrior

[unique shale]

then why they keep saying prot war is must ?

[strong forum]

Cuz they're dumb idk

[sweet summit]

tru

[unique shale]

[lilac bloom]

so feet or hands

[strong forum]

Legs

[lilac bloom]

mmm

ok

legs then

mssives

[strong forum]

Reprisal goes on legs, haste vers

[lilac bloom]

ok

will do thanks

[unique shale]

i think my guild is old school

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

Pwar is good, but it's not a must

[unique shale]

what is best tank for raiding right now ?

[sweet summit]

theyre all good

people used vdh/warr cos those classes' dps specs was dogshit at the start

but now theyre at least somewhat decent, so tank doesnt really matter

[urban portal]

also really depends on how good your raid is

[unique shale]

btw in mythic hungry what is worth to SR cause they are a lot of things you can SR

[sweet summit]

expunge

[strong forum]

Expunge or the orb you leave after

Either or

[unique shale]

those orb tickle me so i go with expunge

[jagged pier]

for AP buff maybe? 🤷

[unique shale]

[urban portal]

sounds about right

battleshout is a must

but a dps warrior isnt

[unique shale]

make sense

[sweet summit]

thats literally what i said

[urban portal]

its like real life

its just a diversity quota

youd bet they would take only afflock+boomie+dk+mage if possible

[unique shale]

my guild struggling so hard on mythic hungry is anybody have guide or weekaure for it ?

[unique shale]

no

[sweet summit]

https://wago.io/pRjJp9JLw
https://wago.io/PXM28wJfq

[unique shale]

any good video ?

[sweet summit]

depends on which strat youre using

[urban portal]

we got it in 5 pulls

[unique shale]

boss in middle and four groups

[urban portal]

with the square strat

yeah that one

[sweet summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BltbKWRdkI

[urban portal]

and the rest is just how good healers are

oh yeah thats a fight where arms is really good

[sweet summit]

this is the one that was linked in our strat chat

[unique shale]

why ?

[sweet summit]

not really

its ST

arms isnt great on ST

[urban portal]

soaking doesnt break 2nd wind

so you can relieve a lot of healer stress

[sweet summit]

oh like that, yea sure

[sharp sun]

Did the M+ talent tree setup change much with reprisal in the end now it’s had time to be trialed?

[sweet summit]

BSC>BV
AM>Bolster

thats it

nothings really changed since

[sharp sun]

Cool thanks, still need to farm it from TG currently as been absorbed in getting my sv Hunter up to par 😂

[sweet summit]

o it was up last week

unlucky

[unique shale]

would be ideal to go with most tankest build for hungry or no just normal build ?

[sweet summit]

just normal

hungering doesnt hit very hard

[unique shale]

i know just help healers

[sweet summit]

feel like healers shouldnt have too hard of a time there tbh

just up to people to open eyes and help with miasmas

tanks included

[unique shale]

how

[sharp sun]

Oh nah sorry meant farming out the soul ash, have got the item 😀

[sweet summit]

wdym how?

[unique shale]

i mean how can i help without changing boss position

[sweet summit]

you just walk to a group?

one of the front ones

since youre doing the 4 stack points
i assume you have divided the raid into 4 groups, one for each marker

[unique shale]

does it matter that boss face back raid or team or not ?

[sweet summit]

tanks are a part of those groups

ideally its not faced towards melee

cos of parry

like every other boss

but if you have to, you have to

but youre not always tanking

so when youre not tanking you can help soak

you feel?

[unique shale]

hmm

i will tell raid leader to put melee group near tanks

[sweet summit]

what the heck

how are tanks not in melee group

[unique shale]

they are not

[sweet summit]

exactly

thats a problem

[unique shale]

i know i noticed that but i told to shut up and do my job and let them to sort it out

[sweet summit]

????????

whatthefuck

[unique shale]

[sharp sun]

Excuse me @sweet summit I identify as a ranged class

[sweet summit]

shush

[urban portal]

for us the group was pretty arbitrary

it doesnt really matter

my group was with 3 ranged and the enhance shaman

[sweet summit]

we prio melee and tanks in the "front" and ranged/healers towards the entrance of the room, i guess thats what i meant by melee group

[urban portal]

ic

im not the one assigning

i just go where the icons are

[sweet summit]

point is, just help soak as a tank

[urban portal]

i got really good at following instructions

[unique shale]

[graceful pewter]

JUST GOT INTO a spiteful volcanic key? how?

how do u message blizzard this wtf

[sand condor]

Lmao what

[graceful pewter]

what the fuck

[jagged pier]

lucky

[sand condor]

Free rio

[graceful pewter]

bruhhhh

[fresh belfry]

Happens when you don’t open vault for a week

You will still get reward and key from the previous

[sand condor]

Wait for real?

[fresh belfry]

Yes

[sand condor]

Omg

[fresh belfry]

But after completion it will get the new affixes

[sand condor]

This can be...beneficial

[graceful pewter]

next season could have a low gear toon save good affixes for a long time then do it many weeks later

with better gear

idk

[fresh belfry]

Uhm

[sand condor]

Also how’re people feeling with that 10% less damage taken buff

[fading prawn]

Doesn't that buff not take effect yet, or was that this morning?

[ruby berry]

Buff isn't in yet, goes in on restarts on regional maintenance days.

[fresh belfry]

For current raiding 10% less damage is an actual joke for warrior and Druid. I can see where it makes sense on bdk and monk

[sand condor]

But for m+

10% less magic

[fresh belfry]

Magic damage in m+ is a super small amount

Like tiny

[graceful pewter]

prideful

[feral dock]

Hey i am new to warrior and started leveling a prot warrior. Into the first dungeons i struggled a lot with resources. I somehow need to hold aggro using revenge and simultaniously generate anger for def cd (lvl 20 just shield block and ignore pain). So either i take tons of damage and habe aggro or i dont have aggro but have def cd up

Any advice? Does it get better xD?

[graceful pewter]

what level are u

[feral dock]

As said in the text i am lvl 20

[graceful pewter]

just hit lvl 50 and then u will get a better feel for how the character kinda works

[fresh belfry]

Kinda doubt Ignore pain is a button you press on level 20

[feral dock]

Cause it consumes too much resources while i dont generate enough?

[fresh belfry]

well that’s always gonna be true to some extent

But I mean because it’s super unnecessary

Nothing deals damage on that level

[feral dock]

Lol i just ran 2 wotlk dungeons and a group of 4 mobs was destroying me in seconds xD

So i got replaced by a higher lvl dh and i was like an offtank

Maybe i just do something terribly wrong

[fading prawn]

Sounds to me like your healer wasn't casting fast enough, the thing about Chromie time dungeon running is you have to adjust for your party, dps have to scale back and healers have to scale up if the tank is lower level.

Near level 20 the dps should know with warriors there is a ramp time to agro anyways. have to at least get off that first Thunderclap

[feral dock]

What should my opener look like? Charge, thunderclap, wait for ressources, shield block, shield strike (dunno the eng. name) and then revenge spam if i have the ressources?

Using war machine btw as i hoped to get more ressources thst way

[versed bough]

No one fcking told me that reprisal also works in charge

and generates rage

[jagged pier]

says it in the tool tip

[versed bough]

before the patch I thought it was just intervene

fck man

[outer spoke]

So the dr changes come up on Id reset?

[blazing condor]

how long does a realm change take

[surreal sinew]

1-2 hours smthg like that

[blazing condor]

aight

[surreal sinew]

it can be rather quick

[blazing condor]

dont wanna miss raid cus im stuck in limbo

[surreal sinew]

or not

it's usually less than an hour but i've had some surprises

[blazing condor]

thanks man

anyone know how i can see which DGs ive done for my vault? It would do that before now it just doesnt show

[cinder skiff]

Thought you couldn't raid the week you transfer you are lock-out

[surreal sinew]

that doens't influence the loot you will get

[surreal sinew]

for mythic you're locked out, or at least where, maybe that changed with x-realm mythic?

[blazing condor]

yeah i know it doesnt but im still interested in seeing it and its weird cus ive seen it before

[surreal sinew]

well in that case hovering over the reward box in the gv should list all the keys, there's also a weak aura to track it easily

https://wago.io/lNCA6Tv1s

[blazing condor]

https://gyazo.com/4149126d80d30507f2dbbd97bfffdc81

yeah just get this

[surreal sinew]

ah i think it might not show if you have all 10 keys at 14 plus

the 10 key box shows me a list i'm guessing so i can see what and how many keys i need to get to 14

[stone sonnet]

for m+ is bettere best server cold or booming voice?

[median tulip]

Depends on what legendary you are using

If Reprisal (or Seismic Reverberation) use BSC. Otherwise use Booming Voice

[surreal sinew]

☝️

[remote dawn]

I hope we can two leggy use 😄 reprisal and seismic big Pumping 😄😄

[smoky wave]

Ran some m0s to boost alts and made seismic for it and hoooooo boy that was fun. You folks aren't kidding when you say it slaps.

[surreal sinew]

yep, switched nf too, doing some pretty nice overalls in dungeons now, even on decent-ish keys

[marble summit]

How do you feel our damage is compared to brewmasters?

[heavy sail]

Worse