protection

[noble nacelle]

IM necro right now but debating swtching to NF or Kyrian

[uneven mason]

leave that slot blank in protest

[modern brook]

Sidenote: any one ever test if bonegrinder works w/ prot ravager?

LOL ask Erga i almost did

[noble nacelle]

NF is more DPS in sims for me, but Kyrian has pot

[uneven mason]

I would expect nothing works with prot ravager

[surreal sinew]

just went nf from nl, it's pretty fun aftershock is

[uneven mason]

as its 100% a diff spell ID

[modern brook]

yeah same

but one could dream 😦

[noble nacelle]

Korayn seems pretty good for M+ for prot

[modern brook]

I'm a firm believer that kyrian is our best option

but not so much better as to be the only option

but Kyrian dungeon buffs are big, spear is also insanely good, pot has great utility in comparison to the movement abilities that we dont really need. Pelagos and Kleia are both very usable

[noble nacelle]

whats the conversion of crit to parry?

[remote tusk]

100

[surreal sinew]

100%? pretty sure

[noble nacelle]

so first strike gives 25% parry chance?

[remote tusk]

I think it's only rating

[noble nacelle]

Maybe ill have to test it on PTR, because that seems like it could be good, i know we have block up with reprisal but being able to just being really tanking at the start of pull seems good if it does give parry

[sweet summit]

its crit rating yeah

not crit %

[modern brook]

https://www.wowdb.com/spells/161798-riposte

oh everyone beat me

[sweet summit]

so first strike is pure damage

[noble nacelle]

damn

[sweet summit]

first strike is still really fucking good

[noble nacelle]

yeah

[sturdy trench]

getting that those juicy crits

[modern brook]

I mean its no HERBS

[sturdy trench]

on pull

[noble nacelle]

Charge in big revenge into aftershock

[sturdy trench]

with 10% dmg increase

[sullen quartz]

At how many stacks of necrotic I should start kitting/ panicking / kirian por/bop, 40 or 50 ? In a 18+ key

[sweet summit]

depends on a lot of things

[modern brook]

Kite when you're in danger of dying if you dont

Kiting is Necrotic agnostic TBH

[noble nacelle]

i start to feel it at around 30 and it starts becoming a problem at like 50

[sweet summit]

current hp
pack hp
cooldowns available
which mobs youre fighing
etc

[sullen quartz]

Cool

[autumn pendant]

mood

[chilly brook]

You leave when you feel like you need to

Theres no magical number

It depends a lot of your group and your confidence level

[edgy void]

Hey, wowhead and icyveins tell me to go for different Talents. Which guide is more up to date or rather, which talents do you suggest we take for prot with reprisal for m+

[torn gust]

leaping away with 30 stacks of necrotic only to charge back in for the shield block :y

[chilly brook]

Forget the wowhead guide

Llarold is a meme

[modern brook]

wowhead more like Wow, 4head

m+ reprisal is Ravager + AM +BSC

[chilly brook]

Check the m+ section of the icyveins guide

[modern brook]

booming voice + Bolster if ur a pussy

[edgy void]

K, ill to that! Thanks^^

checking m+ i mean

obviously i am not a pussy xD

[modern brook]

my man

jokes aside if u need the extra defensives those are strong options still

[torn gust]

lol bolster

[edgy void]

I will consider it. Though i had little problems tanking last night's DoS +15 on my 195gs warry

[uneven mason]

WHO'S READY FOR THE HYPE TRAIN!

[sullen quartz]

I still can’t drop storm bolt over double time , I don’t trust puggs, also I think storm bolt is kinda good this week cuz you stun the inspired walk out a lil bit and shockwave the rest of the pack

[noble nacelle]

Why do we not play AM with the Wall in raids? is that not more valuable than bolster?

[uneven mason]

we do?

[noble nacelle]

Guides say to use bolster.

[uneven mason]

guides are guides, not laws

for beginners

bolster is much easier to play by

and provides much better SB uptime

SW is a situational ability, and fitting it into every 1min is a bit more complex

it leads to more overall damage taken, but better ability to deal with tank busters and bursts.

[noble nacelle]

how is SB better than SW? SW is a flat 50% mitigation

[uneven mason]

Because most of the damage you take in the majority of raid fights is melee attacks

so higher SB uptime leads to less dmg overall

which is why most of us run Reprisal now

[noble nacelle]

SB only blocks 30% damage though unless you crit block

[balmy coral]

Does anyone rub repres in raids? I find that there are many good uses for it. Especially just tossing an intervene in a melee to proc it.

[uneven mason]

That hasn't been true since Legion

[dark lark]

Depends on the fight but yeah

[uneven mason]

SB works on a linear mitigation table the same as armor

so, like at 220 I think my block is like 38%?

[noble nacelle]

Meaning? higher armor means more block?

[uneven mason]

more shield block value

[balmy coral]

I find in heroic raiding there is definitely some good use cases. Maybe not every fight but many fights have many oops to charge at least 3-4 times.

[uneven mason]

which is a state exclusive to shields.

[noble nacelle]

So as your shield gets higher ilevel itll reduce damage furhter?

[uneven mason]

yes

[noble nacelle]

Wow, i didnt know they changed that

[plush tendon]

Block super strong

[uneven mason]

conversely, as content gets harder (new tiers) the k value (a variable used to scale NPC damage) will be increased and thus, relative to content, our shields will block the same amount roughly

[noble nacelle]

Ideally getting the highest ilvel shield is the best you can do for mitigation then?

[uneven mason]

yes

[plush tendon]

Shield is the most important from a defensive point of view

[marsh aurora]

how many % are you guys blocking on dummies ? according to your stats page

[uneven mason]

if you can upgrade your shield, do so, over almost anything else

[noble nacelle]

Yeah i got a shield from M+ and am upgrading as a ican, its 213 now which is where itll be untill i get KSM

[plush tendon]

I mean, using reprisal I’m between 75%-80% blocked

In practice; never tried dummy

[balmy coral]

Oh nice, so grabbing a 220 shield from the vault makes sense

[dark lark]

Yeah. I think one of the few fights I switch off Reprisal is actually Huntsman, because I have better SB uptime with Bolster against Hecutis (and I try to put my nuts on the table and never move him. I haven't been able to safely do that with Reprisal yet but maybe it's a user issue)

[noble nacelle]

Yeah now im crossing my fingers for a 226 shield in my next vault

[plush tendon]

220 maybe not if you can get and upgrade one with valor

[marsh aurora]

i don't mean uptime @plush tendon i mean pure block % value when you hover block

[plush tendon]

Oh, no clue XD

[modern brook]

Like how much damage you block?

[noble nacelle]

and critical block all ways be double your block balue

value*

?

[marsh aurora]

yeah

[modern brook]

Never tried it on a dummy

[plush tendon]

All I know is block= good

[modern brook]

Let me see if i can find the big B

[marsh aurora]

it's the same value as if you're not targeting

anything

btw

so you can do it whenver 😄

[uneven mason]

I mean I get why they capped our SBV

[noble nacelle]

So have we gotten close to 50% block value in previous expansions>

[uneven mason]

rather vary it per tier

because for block to be effective in say, this tier, they need shields to be strong, but that means the next tier shields will be stronger, and we'll reach the "soft cap" on SBV quickly (iirc even critical block mitigation is capped at 85%)

[noble nacelle]

Oh alright

Damn i was wondering if you get crit block to 100%

[uneven mason]

so next tier, a 220 shield will probably do the same 38% vs heroic bosses

rather a heroic shield will do the same 38% vs heroic bosses

[marsh aurora]

im at 37.66 atm so i guess it's fine...

[modern brook]

@marsh aurora

its from last expac but the formulas the same

Block is kinda good

[dark lark]

god those numbers boggle my mind

after the stat squish

I sometimes forget that I ended BFA at like 870k hp

[uneven mason]

figure if you're armoring it by 58% already, then reducing that by another 76%

[modern brook]

my co tank let me eat 3 fucking smashes lol

[noble nacelle]

So really, with reprisal are we more tanking than bears in pulls?

since we have the high uptime on SB now?

[dark lark]

Maybe not, Bears are still stupidly tanky

[ebon hound]

We gained consistency, not a higher peak

[uneven mason]

vs blockable hits yeah

bears are tanky vs everything

[modern brook]

Pansernes got it tbh

[uneven mason]

and give no fucks

[uneven mason]

☝️

[dark lark]

But it's also a wasted raid slot

[uneven mason]

wat

[noble nacelle]

Yeah, i know, i dont like the kite meta, i like to be in the fray and eat the blows like a man

thats why i played my vdh for a day and quit

[marsh aurora]

So i'm gearing up both my gdruid and prot war at the same time

and the druid is taking WAAAAY less dmg

[noble nacelle]

Well i was a BrM before 9.0.5 but i still had to run like a bitch in 14s

[marsh aurora]

especially this week cause the necrotic is completely denied by the m+ legendary

[noble nacelle]

the absorb thrash one?

[marsh aurora]

don't tell anyone but the absorb isn't affected by necrotic

[dark lark]

All the top RWF tanks think BDK is the tankiest (in its own unique self-healing way) but they just play whatever tank is needed to bring a raid buff

[noble nacelle]

Yeah i watched Max's video on the "Play what tank brings the most for raid, not who is tankiest video"

[uneven mason]

I mean when RWF was goign on BDK was struggling to hold aggro.

so IDK

But the gaps btween tanks

so small

[dark lark]

You want the tankiest tank? It's probably still Bear

[uneven mason]

yup

[dark lark]

But Prot War is fun af

[uneven mason]

If you want bear to not be boring

goVenthyr

[marsh aurora]

the trash absorb legendary is pog

[noble nacelle]

Prot warrior go 5x more fun the expac

when they took away the dumb revenge cd

[uneven mason]

Venthyr + Ursoc's + Incarnation - rolling ball of death.

[dark lark]

Boomyweaving in raid is also fun, but the bear itself is so boring

[marsh aurora]

boomyweaving in keys

[uneven mason]

use vortex and pop boomweave

[marsh aurora]

when i play bear i'd run mists just for that 1st boss convoke honestly

[dark lark]

Yo when I first saw Dorki boomyweaving in beta, my mind was blown

[balmy coral]

I like the fact that I can spam revenge do really good DPS comparable to some of the other tanks and if I happen to get rage starved in a Mythic plus I can simply intervene the melee to get a quick shield block in some rage.

[noble nacelle]

i like the fact that i can spam revenge now period, part of what i hated about prevous warrior iteration was is super reliance on TC for aggro

so TC had to do strong damage to keep threat

which led to the avatar bfa fiasco

[amber herald]

bear and warr are pretty comparable until incarn comes into the picture and then bear rockets to the moon

[dark lark]

I actually liked Avatar BFA fiasco :/

[noble nacelle]

i mean it was kinda fun for the meme

[dark lark]

But I'm fine with the changes for SL

[noble nacelle]

but it not for hte long run

[dark lark]

Especially with Reprisal/Best Served Cold

[noble nacelle]

i prefer the reprisal/BSC playstyle.

I honestly wouldnt hate if the swapped whirlwind for slam(and make it do good damage) either, so when offtanking and you want to dump rage you can do a little more ST damage.

[uneven mason]

IDK if you knew this, but the only thing that could out threat a Prot warrior in BFA, was nothing.

Legit we WERE the DPS in M+

[noble nacelle]

yeah i know

[uneven mason]

pushing 6 figures

[noble nacelle]

i played prot warrior in 8.3

[uneven mason]

in 8.0

oh, that was post nerfs

[marsh aurora]

the fact that you're able to incarn before the key starts and it resets allows for back to back massive pulls it's just insane

[uneven mason]

Yeah thought they fixed all that

[hot oxide]

Wtf that’s still a thing?

[marsh aurora]

as warriors we can... pop everything on one necrotic pull and wait for the next pack

[sweet summit]

yeah?

[marsh aurora]

yeah it is

[noble nacelle]

It works the same as Meta

[marsh aurora]

in mists / dos you're basically saving your group a minute on 1st pull

it's just stupid

[sweet summit]

any cd over 2 minutes gets reset as the key starts

and if it lasts long enough

is yuge value

[noble nacelle]

3 or longer i think

[marsh aurora]

especially in dos where you can get both big pulls without kiting an inch

[noble nacelle]

i dont think 2.5 min cds reset

[sweet summit]

oh right

[hot oxide]

Hmmmm

[noble nacelle]

not that there are any

[hot oxide]

Someone was telling me yesterday that venth druids are OP as hell

Now I wanna take my resto and play bear

[marsh aurora]

venth druids are unkillable

[autumn pendant]

3min and higher

[marsh aurora]

but war has more than 2 buttons

[dark lark]

hey now, guardian has four. Mangle Thrash Moonfire Swipe

VDH is two.

[modern brook]

"paw + moony D"

[languid flower]

let's be honest, they don't REALLY need that swipe.

and mangle's on CD half the time anyway, so it's more like half a button.

and moonfire lasts like 30 seconds so it might as well be a cd.
We're really just talking about 1.5 buttons.

[balmy coral]

I think prot warriors are in a really good state they don't take a lot of damage and they're pretty good at AOE damage not the worst and single Target either. What I would like is either some self-sustain maybe buffing our self-healing a little bit and/or make ignore pain stronger for spell damage. Make it 75-100% vs 50% for spell damage

[languid flower]

/s, obvious

[chilly brook]

Bo

Booooo

Self healing is dumb

Make me just not take damage

[jagged pier]

i dont want to play like other tanks i like mitigating and not healing

[languid flower]

I actually don't like the self healing shenigans, aside from pvp

[jagged pier]

what am i a healer?

[chilly brook]

Seriously

I'd take legion IP

Or a weaker legion IP

[jagged pier]

i might actually press it then

if we had that

[languid flower]

I'd take a reduced rage cost on IP, in all honesty

[jagged pier]

but then we would be busted

why?

[dark lark]

I just hate Shadowcore. I hate Shadowcore.

[balmy coral]

The problem is that some other classes like vengeance demon hunters brought paladins guardian druids and blood decays all have a fair bit of self-sustain. So even if we don't add any more healing maybe remove it and make ignore pain a lot stronger.

[dark lark]

All other spell damage is tolerable

[obtuse marsh]

how was the legion ip ?

[dark lark]

legion IP was 90%

[jagged pier]

i have far to much rage as it is i actually have to spend rage on IP otherwise i over cap as i cant press revenge fast enough

[languid flower]

yeah, it was good.

I don't mind the 50%, it's just too expensive for what you get

like triple the ratio of rage to shield

[plush tendon]

yea, once you get some gear, the rage starts to just flow

[languid flower]

(maybe I said that backwards?)

[balmy coral]

Maybe I stead of indomitable healing us, for every 1 rage spent, make it increase the absorb amount by 10% up to 100% more?

Every 10 rage spent*

[jagged pier]

so never surrender?

[chilly brook]

90% damage absorbed and the absorb value was higher it stacked up to I think 5.5 or 6x

[plush tendon]

Legion was also kind of silly; those nominal numbers on everything were huge XD

[balmy coral]

I think 75 to 80% is a pretty good number if they would maybe increase the amount to scale with your health and then have a dominable buff the amount it absorbs would be good.

[modern brook]

thought it was 3x tbh

[hazy sparrow]

sup my shield brothers

[modern brook]

nm talking about ways to make prot warrior bdk

[jagged pier]

just get more gear and the absorb will be bigger

[elfin nova]

in what situations does absorbing 50 or 90 make a difference

[sly summit]

What build are you guys using for max damage in m+?

[balmy coral]

Like I think it should be 20% shields you for 80% of incoming damage up to 20% of your max hp. Then have indomitable increase it by 10% up to 100%, so the shield would absorb 80% up to 40 of your hp.

[hazy sparrow]

lol remeber inspiring pressence

[violet violet]

Sorry guys I’m so new to prot. Does demo shout generate threat? Or do you always open on a pack with revenge first?

[chilly brook]

It definitely makes a difference especially in conjunction with higher IP stack value

[modern brook]

a situation where you take damage :^); 40% more of it will go into your fake health instead

[uneven mason]

No DS doesn't produce aggro

and yes, open with revenge

[violet violet]

Okay thank you!!

[elfin nova]

yeah but if the absorb amount and how high it stacks is unchanged

[uneven mason]

slap revenge like its a feederbar and you're a hungry rat

[modern brook]

Ratvenge

[uneven mason]

I approve

[languid flower]

just make sure you have enough rage for your sheild blocks

[marsh aurora]

spam revenge as long as your block is up

[elfin nova]

90 makes it so it's harder to waste IP/you don't need any healing when you're taking low damage

[marsh aurora]

then intervene and pull rage for block

i guess

[hazy sparrow]

huh imagine if revenge gived back health per enemy hit

[plush tendon]

sounds like leach

[balmy coral]

Tanking Mythic plus this week was pretty easy until I ran into a group that was doing subpar DPS and I kept dying after getting 50 necrotic stacks purple instead of 15. I'm being screamed at that I have to kite which is very difficult when the inspiring mob is still alive and can't be slowed or stunned and I'm like no this is a Mythic 14 you should be doing more than 3500 dps...

[hazy sparrow]

or an absorb

[uneven mason]

Legit why Legion prot was "I'm either full HP or something hit so hard that it can 1 shot a planet"

[elfin nova]

mm

fair

I didn't play protection until the end of bfa

[uneven mason]

3500 overall?

[elfin nova]

and not enough to spoil myself

[sick jasper]

Picking a cov as a warrior is hard ;o;

[balmy coral]

No, they were upper 2s, just above me.

[languid flower]

Just pick which one you like best

they all have their perks

[elfin nova]

nightfae and go vulpera

[violet violet]

Thanks for the help guys! How often should I have ip up in keys?

[modern brook]

ironically, 1 shotting the planet was the whole goal of the burning legion so

[hazy sparrow]

go kyrian for blue buff waifus

[balmy coral]

The only one that isn't that great for prot is venthyr.

[noble nacelle]

Just use it as you feel you need it

[languid flower]

Well done.

[modern brook]

you know

[modern brook]

people should say this more often 🙂

[chilly brook]

It would still technically be better depending on the situation

[hazy sparrow]

speaking of mythics, how much monsters per pull can prot safley handle

[languid flower]

Depends. are my CD's up?

how much dps is the group doing?

[hazy sparrow]

wait il give a senario

begining of mists with a uh/frost mage/outlaw

[hot oxide]

haha, dps is doing 3k each, you have LS and reprisal but SW and RC are on CD

[elfin nova]

you can't really evaluate it like that

not all mobs are the same

[signal plover]

Both creepy dude packs and the back treeboi pack izzi

[languid flower]

I think it's a pretty good example, actually

[dark lark]

I pull 9 mobs in the beginning of Halls with lust

Pretty safe with SW

[elfin nova]

pulling the 5 small mobs into the 4 is HARD for the entire group not just the tank if you don't dispel + blow up the little guys fast

[signal plover]

Yeah dispel/purge on lilbois is key

[dark lark]

Yeah fuck the 5 spiteclaws

[modern brook]

i leave the dungeon

[elfin nova]

they also just jump and kill everyone if you don't have damage

[dark lark]

We separate that pull from the villager 4 pack

[hazy sparrow]

wait those little shits do alot damage?

[elfin nova]

not if they die

🙂

[dark lark]

Not to you, but to your healer and dps

That bleed low key sucks

[elfin nova]

if melee stack 📉

[hazy sparrow]

ok that explains alot of wipes

[dark lark]

It's just unnecessary to stack those two pulls

[signal plover]

We pull onto villagers if we are heroing and have poompers

[elfin nova]

yeah it's a good lust on fort week

or if you don't need to lust the boss (?)

[signal plover]

Ya fort week lust there feels gud

[violet star]

hey there ! I've got a quick question for my prot warry.... I'm fresh 60 Necro Warrior and I'm asking myself what soulbind is the most beneficial for tank warriors? I've got all 3 unlocked and can go down to the last row, so anything is possible there

[chilly brook]

That depends on the dungeon and your group

[sturdy sable]

And your own self play

[chilly brook]

Yep

It's not a binary answer

[chilly brook]

Emeni most likely

Maybe bonesmith

But really just sim yourself

[violet star]

and then the haste bonus on the last row?

[plush tendon]

Emeni and Bonesmith are your best bets; Ive prefer Emeni so far cause its quite similar to bonesmith to performance, but I like being able to channel fleshcraft on the move

[languid flower]

What do you use to sim, @chilly brook ?

[plush tendon]

I dont run the haste, I run the movespeed and potency

[violet star]

can I sim Tanks on Raidbots?

[chilly brook]

Raidbots aka simc

[languid flower]

does that actually sim survival?

[chilly brook]

No

[languid flower]

...

[chilly brook]

You dont run soulbinds for survival tbh

Your conduits maybe

[plush tendon]

Unless its Draven

[languid flower]

I try to run everything for survival

[chilly brook]

Even with draven

Hes useless to you most of the time

[languid flower]

well, fun > survival > everything else, imo

[chilly brook]

Like legit draven isn't useful

[plush tendon]

cant disagree with that

[chilly brook]

And heres a mild spoiler

What makes you pump with emeni aka the strength buff is big for survival

[plush tendon]

yea, 15% strength plus the X% from the potency together

huge strength

[signal plover]

Necro still doodoo

[chilly brook]

Same with nadjia

[plush tendon]

I waive my banner in your general direction

[chilly brook]

Huge haste is big for survival

And the same for Niya

Big mastery buff is noice

[languid flower]

the mastery buff is only around 10%

[violet star]

so in the end it doesnt matter that much what soulbind I use?

[languid flower]

when you plop down your big thing

[plush tendon]

I think the consensus, Emeni is the play. But both Bonesmith and Emeni are good.

[chilly brook]

I mean you should kindly just pick the one that is the best for damage tbh

[languid flower]

otherwise it's about a free food buff, if it actually procs

[chilly brook]

10% isn't a small amount

[violet star]

okay then thanks for the quick help !! 🙂

[chilly brook]

And its constantly active

[marsh aurora]

Pick the covenant that has phials and stop simping reee

[chilly brook]

Fuck the cult bois

We woyers

[languid flower]

the 10% mastery from niya is only when you lay down your blue swirlies

[chilly brook]

Not cultists

[chilly brook]

No

All your abilities can proc a stack

It's a constantly active buff of mastery

[languid flower]

right, but that's somewhat rare, and even when it's up you only get a food buff

[chilly brook]

It's not rare?

[languid flower]

I beat on the training dummy for a while and didn't get any

maybe I'm just unlucky

[fossil sparrow]

is ravager bad in raid? or is wowhead ood?

[modern brook]

Niyas like on par with Pelagos even if you dont ever get stacks

so getting stacks outside of aA ==> pretty good period

[languid flower]

but the blue swirlies give 12 stacks, and that's ~ 10% mastery

[plush tendon]

Most people run into the fray, which i believe is better in ST then Ravager

[chilly brook]

So rare

7 minute fight btw

With downtime

Hungering mythic

[fossil sparrow]

@plush tendon I take it BSC is best with reprisal or?

[plush tendon]

Yes, but sim yo self. Booming Voice still sims higher for me then BSC even though im running Reprisal

[languid flower]

well, maybe I'm just unlucky then

I didn't see a proc for about 2 solid minutes on the training dummy

[marsh aurora]

any ideas on the overall damage i should average in a m+ setup ?

with 207 ilvl

and a shitty amount of haste (16%=

i feel like i'm valuing damage a bit too much

[plush tendon]

If you are playing well, the damage will come. No clue what you should be doing

[chilly brook]

Shriekwing

[modern brook]

I pull about 3k at around those numbers moa

[plush tendon]

^ sounds about right

[marsh aurora]

i had 3.4k at the end of a 13 mists but with 70% SB uptime so i probably could use more SB and less revenge

[plush tendon]

also depends on dungeon

[modern brook]

that sounds good to me tbh

The problem is boss fights gimp our overall alot

[marsh aurora]

also fuck soul split i can't time my reflect right i have to kite those packs every god damn time

[uneven badger]

Hey yall, new to prot warrior, with reprisal I obviously should.be intervene charging and heroic leap charging a lot in m+ yeah?

[marsh aurora]

but AM instead of bolster skyrocketted my dps due to uptime on avatar

[chilly brook]

Something where I have full uptime like Huntsman is 77% uptime @languid flower

[uneven badger]

And if so should I be using double time over storm bolt?

[marsh aurora]

Idk about heroic leap into charge this week except on super safe pulls

[uneven badger]

Yeah necrotic and all

[plush tendon]

You can find interesting ways to get a charge off without having to leap away

[marsh aurora]

shockwave and charge back in on the inspiring mob if there's one

[plush tendon]

sometimes just walking away and then a min range charge back is possible

[fossil sparrow]

@plush tendon wtf I thought itf was bad, thought it was still only enemies

[marsh aurora]

even thunder clap

[uneven badger]

Alright cool, I've just been using leap and intervene mostly to get off extra charges

[plush tendon]

naw, its good

[uneven badger]

And I saw earlier someone mentioned taking best served cold over booming voice?

[marsh aurora]

my uptime sucks so i can only speak about theory

BSC increases your revenge damage a lot

[uneven badger]

Is that just for increased damage over booming voice?

[marsh aurora]

and you get a free revenge everytime you use reprisal

[plush tendon]

Depends, BV still sims higher for me, but BSC has the potential to do a lot

[marsh aurora]

i had a geared fire mage in my party and holy shit i'm glad i had BSC

[plush tendon]

both are fine, and honestly I would go with preference

[jagged pier]

BV for ST BSC for aoe

[uneven badger]

Yeah I've jjst stuck with booming voice mostly, but I might give BSC a try

[languid flower]

@chilly brook I went back to the training dummy. I just got exceedingly unlucky.

[chilly brook]

/shrug

[languid flower]

I had a really good uptime this time around

okay, so not rare

fairly common food buff

sometimes 2 food buffs

still, we can realistically not worry about too much mastery until like 75%

which really means we don't have to worry about it

[copper lava]

Yeah I hate bolster ngl. I felt like im doing no dps. AM feels so much better damage wise.

[languid flower]

Bolster only increases damage if you take the conduit that increases rage gen (and then spend it on revenge)

[plush tendon]

Bolster is great, I just wished you didnt have to lose AM for it 😦

[languid flower]

My gut says avatar more often is better than that, but I don't have data to back it up

insofar as damage is concerned

[copper lava]

Same

But running bolster ST i do like 1.9k at shit ilvl

AM idk, haven't run it in raid yet

[sweet summit]

ofc AM is more dps than Bolster

[plush tendon]

yea, I just did my napkin math and can comfirm

[sweet summit]

if you dont trust me you can sim it

[plush tendon]

AM does more damage then bolster

[sweet summit]

napkin math bad

just sim

👍

[copper lava]

I don't doubt it

[fossil sparrow]

all I know is devestator feels like ass

[copper lava]

Doesn't mean I like it. I want that BIG DAM 😫

[chilly brook]

Not really, any mastery increase is good

[languid flower]

well, you said there was a hard DR cap for crit blocks at 85%

[mighty valley]

i expected devastator to feel like ass but I almost never have an empty gcd

[fossil sparrow]

I..do

many

idk if it's me

then again, I'm not kyrian so idk if spear changes it

[copper lava]

Same. I actually never don't run it, except in torg and it feels wierd

[fossil sparrow]

[languid flower]

if we get 85% mastery (via the +10 from nia), and we have 100% uptime on SB from reprisal, then more mastery isn't offering us any defensive bonus

[mighty valley]

i'm venthyr and i'm not slapping condemn a lot in m+ packs lol

[sweet summit]

?
mastery is crit block

you dont take mastery for rng block

[plush tendon]

I agree. Thought I would miss devastate from my BFA days. Honestly, why did I ever not use devastator. Necro BTW

[fossil sparrow]

necro devestator, going 4gcds for autos is fun 🙂

[plush tendon]

I dont have that many empty GCDs

[mighty valley]

it had to compete with ITF back then

[plush tendon]

A little downtime here and there, but not really

[sweet summit]

devastator competed against BV in BFA

[copper lava]

NF is more fun than necro. I maxed Nf, kyrian, necro and working on venthyr atm. Personally that big boom is nice with the knockdown big dam button

[mighty valley]

oh, my old man brain is getting mixed up again

[chilly brook]

You're not hitting 85%....

[modern brook]

People even mentioning devestate got me seeing red tbh

[languid flower]

exactly, it's unreachable, so we don't have to worry about it

[modern brook]

Buttons so shit my phone literally autocorrect devestate to devestator

[plush tendon]

I agree with that now

[copper lava]

🤣

[plush tendon]

hard agree

[copper lava]

Plus, I legit don't have room on my hotbars

For a key bind for devestate

So its nice 😆

[languid flower]

my devastate is keybound to d

[copper lava]

LOL

Little d

[sweet summit]

d?

[copper lava]

Makes sense

[sweet summit]

wah

[mighty valley]

I still have a slot for Devastate that doesn't do anything lol... guess I don't want to overwrite it in case devastator ever becomes awful

[sweet summit]

do you not strafe with d and a?

[fossil sparrow]

I'd rather have deve over execute ngl

[languid flower]

d for devastate! what do you guys have it bound to?

[sweet summit]

strafe right??

[languid flower]

I strafe with g and j

[sweet summit]

??????????

[fossil sparrow]

you strafe?

[sweet summit]

what the fuck

[fossil sparrow]

[surreal sinew]

holy molly

[tardy parcel]

Holy shit

[sweet summit]

thats new

[copper lava]

Hahahahaha

[surreal sinew]

that's some next level shit

[tardy parcel]

My man playing 5d chess every time he navigates Oribos

[mighty valley]

ESDF are my movement keys, and I just strafe by holding right mouse

[fossil sparrow]

wait..are you left hadned?

[languid flower]

I just moved my hand to the right

[fossil sparrow]

only way that makes sense

[copper lava]

LOL this

[languid flower]

'cause I needed moar buttons to hit

so I rest my pinky on f and my index on j

[fossil sparrow]

to think my first bind was L

[languid flower]

instead of wasd it's yghj

but now I can hit buttons to the left and buttons to the right

all the buttons available!

[copper lava]

Or

Get a g600

Mouse

[chilly brook]

That's not how stats work

[copper lava]

Then you have 22 buttons on the mouse alone

[surreal sinew]

if you have both

[plush tendon]

I use the arrow keys

[surreal sinew]

you can bind everything

[chilly brook]

It it was we wouldn't have cared about hate

[surreal sinew]

even pet battles

[chilly brook]

Haste*

[copper lava]

24 buttons actually

Not including the roller which I use too

[chilly brook]

Just because you cant reach a point where every block is a crit block doesn't mean increasing the chances of a crit block isn't valuable

[tardy parcel]

Remember, we're prot warr discord... we care about hate too

[languid flower]

I try to not bind much on the mouse - I never got good at hitting those buttons

[chilly brook]

[fading quiver]

for rings do stats matter over ilevel?

[languid flower]

IF you cap at 85%, then what's the value of having 90%?

[sweet summit]

if the ilvl differnece isnt that large then yeah

[fading quiver]

so whats large? like 10 ilevel?

[copper lava]

@languid flower

[sweet summit]

like 20 ilvls or something

[copper lava]

🤣

[north rampart]

Blocked hit still apply necrotic?

[sweet summit]

yes

[north rampart]

Parry hits no?

[sweet summit]

no

[copper lava]

Stack crit obviously

[north rampart]

Stack up 33% parry for necrotic weeks?

[copper lava]

For dem riposte

And enchants

[north rampart]

One in 9 chance of double parrying a boss for easy resets?

[sweet summit]

no dont

hes trolling

[copper lava]

Lol I'm trolling

[languid flower]

I'm not sure how to interpret this. Was it meant to be offensive (directed to me), or funny (because bigger numbers are better)?

[chilly brook]

First of all mastery doesnt impact the amount you crit block for your shield does

85% is the cap for the amount of damage reduced

[modern brook]

evreythings offensive until proven funny tbh

[copper lava]

Was in response to the mouse button stuff, funny insult not serious tho 🙂

[languid flower]

I usually opt for the reverse.

[chilly brook]

Secondly, mastery serves another purpose besides crit block chance. It increases your AP

Which coincidentally also impacts your IP

[languid flower]

Oh the mouse. Yeah, that makes sense. Fair play.

[modern brook]

see?

proven funny

[north rampart]

Parry, boss casts ability, parry you are almost at 0 necrotic right?

[copper lava]

Just go with standard defensive stuff. Never go for parry stacks. If it happens great, if not you will prob block it to low damage anyways

[languid flower]

Okay, so you in theory could crit block 100% of the time?

[chilly brook]

Afaik no

[strong forum]

You'd need copious amounts of mastery

[languid flower]

an unreachable amount of mastery

[strong forum]

Which was barely reachable in bfa

[languid flower]

but if you had an iLevel of 9001

[north rampart]

33% parry is 33% less necrotic tho, why is no one talking about this amazing discovery

[keen oasis]

What's better 500 vers and 280 crit or 440 vers and 350 crit?

[strong forum]

Whatever has the higher ilvl!

And what you prefer

[keen oasis]

Oh, well it's a ring.

[north rampart]

700 crit, 80 versa

[strong forum]

I'd run the crit cuz crit is more dmg

[copper lava]

Because the trade off in the other areas of defensive stats would make you squishy asf

[north rampart]

Like a demon hunter?

The most beloved of tanks

[languid flower]

you might not die to the necrotic, but you'll probably die to the mobs.

[copper lava]

This

[north rampart]

How will i die to a mob if i parry them all the time?

[strong forum]

Also, necrotic is not an issue, it's annoying, but not an issue

[copper lava]

Return with your shield or upon it spartan!

[strong forum]

Building around it is unnecessary

[languid flower]

but you will only parry them a third of the time

the 2 out of every 3 hits they will whallop you.

[strong forum]

Like, I have currently 20% parry, with my regular gear, there's no real point trying to get more crit for the sake of parrying

It's good, but nothing revelating for necrotic specifically

[north rampart]

Still have base dodge and block chance plus SB uptime

[keen oasis]

I have 680 haste instead

[north rampart]

A critical hit generates twice the threat right?

[languid flower]

Alright, would someone remind me again why we like haste so much?>

[north rampart]

Very good tank utility having more threat

[strong forum]

SB uptime, rage gen, shorter CDs on SS and TC

[rough vine]

Hello, going to level a warrior alt aiming at Prot/Fury. Any tips regarding which covenant I should pick? It seems most people going NF

[copper lava]

So you're not taking into account mob attack speed variances. Like the little flying fucks in SoA attack fast asf and are deadly as hell but the third boss attacks slower than molasses on a cold day. So you stack to hell in back stacks of necrotic regardless on the birds and go overtime on the key because of them but you would live through the boss attacks? Na not worth it. Bosses this expax attack slow so necrotic isn't an issue on them, its the trash before them

[modern brook]

rage gen sb uptime more ss more tc which means more ss mroe aa which means more ss

[languid flower]

I always chalked it up to more rage and higher sb uptime, but reprisal takes care of the latter, and if ya'll are spamming revenge then you don't need the former

[surreal sinew]

for both probably fury, you could go vent if you wanted or kyrian even

[chilly brook]

Wat

[modern brook]

compressing a rotation that has procs in it is very beneficial because you by nature, get more procs

[chilly brook]

If we spam revenge we dont need more rage?

What

[languid flower]

I've heard tanks in here complaining they have to use IP becaeuse they can't revenge fast enough

[strong forum]

The more rage you generate, the more rage you can spend

Be it dmg or IP

Which is a net gain of surv and dmg

[modern brook]

I've hit that point before

[chilly brook]

We want infinite rage

[copper lava]

Haste is nice, if you don't believe it run into the fray in torg. It's amazing

[sweet summit]

@modern brook BONEGRINDER WORKS WITH PROT RAVAGER

[modern brook]

POGPOGPOGPOGPOGPOG

POGPOGPOGPOGPOG

hang on pogging out my gourd

[strong forum]

Aswell as reducing avatar and SW CD through AM

[night tusk]

Is Necro now the best for Mythic raid tanking?

[strong forum]

No

[plush tendon]

Not even close

[modern brook]

Show of force? more like Show the door

[north rampart]

I spend all my rage on revenge, why not just make my revenge crit so i can spend more rage on Ignore Pain to have better defense, every critical revenge is in essence 20 free rage

[plush tendon]

its hard to use in raid, trust me, Ive been trying

[modern brook]

Get thte fuck out a here ima B O N E G R I N D E R now

[night tusk]

@plush tendon What is best for Covenant for Mythic Raid tanking?

[strong forum]

What's bonegrinder do

[copper lava]

See my above comment about SoA and such

[plush tendon]

They all close, most people progged as Kyrian though. But by no means is there a best

[sweet summit]

whirlwind does 90% more damage after ravager ends

well 90% at 226

[strong forum]

Eh

[languid flower]

I'm wondering if I focused exclusively on survival, and ran reprisal to help with SB uptime, how much haste do I actually need? Could I get by with less haste and be better for it because more of the other stats?

[modern brook]

my pogging ends it doesnt work on revenge?

[copper lava]

Yes but it doesn't feel good.

[modern brook]

its still probably better than sof tbh :/

[copper lava]

And you feel rage starved

[sweet summit]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[chilly brook]

Bro

[sweet summit]

3 WWs vs 4 revenges

[chilly brook]

Haste is still valuable insanely for survival

[sweet summit]

5 targets

[night tusk]

Kyrian for Mythic raiding? is best hmm

[strong forum]

Yes

[chilly brook]

Lower GCDs means more rage

[sweet summit]

i do nthink so

[chilly brook]

More rage means more IP if you're playing purely survival mode

[modern brook]

try it for me please im still stuck at work 😦

[strong forum]

90 rage vs 80 rage

[chilly brook]

It also means more shield wall

[strong forum]

And 0 SS reset chance vs 4 SS reset

[sweet summit]

it doesnt

[modern brook]

this game sucks

[sweet summit]

i know its terrible

but

its time

to meme

[modern brook]

i mean

YEAH

[chilly brook]

You have this obsession with trying to break the meta for some reason

[modern brook]

but like im still mad

[strong forum]

Pair it with seismic

[sweet summit]

Y E S

fuck

[modern brook]

oh my WHIRLWIND

[north rampart]

Bonegrinder + reverb meta inc

[sweet summit]

need to do torghast then

[copper lava]

Lol

[plush tendon]

is this new technology

[modern brook]

its likea new fidget spinner

[sweet summit]

but why the FUCK does this work with ravager but not signet

[north rampart]

Erga, dont forget to stack crit

[modern brook]

its not helpful but everyones gunna be talking about it soon

[sweet summit]

im suing blizzard

cba

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-technology-patrick-hung-gif-5567497

[copper lava]

We need that ss +whirlwind tech baseline

[strong forum]

Yes

Please

Omg

[copper lava]

That would be hawt

[strong forum]

It's such a good power

[copper lava]

Agreed

[languid flower]

I can't argue with that, @chilly brook . I don't like doing what other people tell me to do. I like understanding WHY I'm doing something. I like to KNOW I'm on the right path, not just trust someone else's word for it.

I also get a bit worried when no one in this chat is simming for survival at all

[keen oasis]

I think I prefer vers to crit, especially that i mainly raid.

[chilly brook]

You can't sim survival

[languid flower]

you can

[chilly brook]

You cant....

[copper lava]

As evidenced by the finger gymnastics your left hand has to do to strafe

[languid flower]

you might not get it perfectly

[steep condor]

im really struggling to drop necrotic. have tried shockwave and run. and intervene away.. but often they catch me

[sweet summit]

you can absolutely NOT sim survival

[surreal sinew]

you don't need survival, if you die it's the healers fault

[strong forum]

Because you can't lol

[chilly brook]

Also you can literally look at all the top players and what they're running to see that you're not being misled lmao

[strong forum]

98% of your survival comes from playing well

Not from stat allocations

[copper lava]

BIG DAM ONRY

[north rampart]

Anyone done an apple to apples comparison on reprisal vs reverb damage over a dungeon run?

[modern brook]

no

reverb wins tho

[strong forum]

Seismic is more dmg, but a huge surv loss

[chilly brook]

Reverb big dam

[strong forum]

A massive fucking surv loss

[copper lava]

Reverb is big dam

But huge surv loss

[languid flower]

The top players in the world take only as much survival as they need to survive, then put everything else into damage and utility.

[copper lava]

🤣👍

[languid flower]

they have min-maxed their stats to match their healers outputs.

[strong forum]

No

[chilly brook]

I mean no lol

Plka plays defensively in high keys brother

[strong forum]

For high keys you go max turtle

For raiding you just equip highest ilvl

• whatever trinkets you feel like are fitting for the boss

Often people just go max damage

There's absolute no need to find a middle ground or have different kind of stat allocated sets

Or min-max anything

[copper lava]

On baer I rotated hateful chain with hakkar. This is norm for all tanks tho.

[strong forum]

I often don't use scale, just my anime emitter and decanter

[keen oasis]

So crit 290, 670 haste, 501 vers and 300 mastery is a good distribution?

[jagged pier]

i use phail and decanter, scale i dont see the hype about it tbh

[strong forum]

If its your highest ilvl, sure

[keen oasis]

Yeah it is

[chilly brook]

Scale is actually really nice imho

[copper lava]

Scale is only really useful for a couple fights.

[chilly brook]

Gives you an extra button to cover

[jagged pier]

meh ive used it tis okay but i dont need the shield

and decanter does more damage

[keen oasis]

Scale is amazing

[chilly brook]

I like it but that's me

I get why people wouldn't

[jagged pier]

dont get me wrong i thinks its okay

[copper lava]

Ya its more of an oh shit button or like artificer for glyph on last phase when timing is fked and you have the aoe suck in too

[jagged pier]

i just dont think its like a must have

but maybe thats because i havent had it til this week

🤷

[strong forum]

I used scale for the first time in raid on council

[uneven mason]

Imagine being able to make choices about what trinkets are best

[strong forum]

Just for safety in potential p3 or dance fuck ups

[copper lava]

Scale is nice for nikki

On council

[hollow silo]

If you're not doing something that requires more survivability then scale probably not appealing just like heart

[copper lava]

Pretty much

Like I said its more of an oh shit button or extra defensive in raid.

In m+ its nice tho

I want the spike tho

To swap with it on war

Or hateful chain

[toxic prairie]

First boss in spires- overhead strike is doing big dmg even through SB. Any tips ?

[copper lava]

You can avoid it

But if not IP

Demo shout

[hollow silo]

You can't avoid it why people keep saying that

[copper lava]

You can

[strong forum]

You can't avoid it

[copper lava]

Its not easy

[cinder nova]

How bad does a pally have to be to lose in DPS to a warrior 🤔 ?

[copper lava]

You can lol

Ive done it haha

[strong forum]

You can parry/dodge sure, but not avoid

[keen oasis]

I honestly prefer scale in mythic plus, but I use heraldry in raid.

[strong forum]

It's been fixed literally months ago

[shut summit]

there used to be 2 parts to the spell, one you could avoid and other always hit you, they just removed the avoidable part

[timber nest]

at what point does BSC before better than BS?

[strong forum]

It always hits

[strong forum]

3+ targets

[cinder nova]

So all of M+ and any cleave fights

[strong forum]

Yuh

On 2 targets its somewhat even

[cinder nova]

I wonder, would it be any good on Council? 🤔 I'm thinking no since only the first leg of it is at 3 and the rest is at 2 or 1.

[strong forum]

I'm was running it on council yes

Soooo many targets to hit

[cinder nova]

Oh on M probably huh

[keen oasis]

Is Heart and Heraldry good trinket combo for raid?

[cinder nova]

Lots of adds in M

[strong forum]

Ye

[cinder nova]

I mean like H Council

[strong forum]

Bit overkill with heart but heraldry is good dmg

[cinder nova]

I doubt I'll see M council because my group was riding the struggle buss for beating the HD timer on M

[keen oasis]

I just like it for when bad things happen.

[strong forum]

On H Council... BSC is better padding still

[timber nest]

I just ran BSC in a M+, but granted it was only a plaguefall. none of the pulls are big so

didnt feel that good

[cinder nova]

Lots of pulls are big in PF?

There's plenty of 3+ pulls in PF.

[strong forum]

Not rly

[timber nest]

nope

[strong forum]

Well sure 3+

But not bigger than 5

Ever

[timber nest]

and everything you kill with a canister

[strong forum]

It's often only exactly 3 mobs

[cinder nova]

Yeah, but 3+ is the benchmark for BSC

[timber nest]

or plagueborer

[strong forum]

I'm not saying to not run BSC, in m+ always run BSC

[uneven mason]

big pulling in PF there is like what...one big pull where you blowup 3 packs with the cans

[cinder nova]

There's only like... 2 or 3 pulls in PF you can reliably doink with borer/barrels.

If you have a good DPS pull the lower ickus adds

It's more

But I've never been able to swing that

[uneven mason]

I don't trust the damn leapers/ runners in that area tho

[patent osprey]

noone dpses in PF 🙂

[uneven mason]

and if you accidently get big purple boy

[patent osprey]

PF is all about ST dam

so if everyone specs for pure ST

its the most success

[uneven mason]

last boss

🤮

screaming at the DK who "had his music too loud to hear me" to AMZ

[strong forum]

Chad move

Tbh

[cinder nova]

Imagine need to be told to AMZ

[uneven mason]

WHy I was screamin

[strong forum]

I miss the days where I could just HARD BLAST music and play m+

[uneven mason]

Legit the healer was hard OOM after the full channel of plaguerain

[cinder nova]

You can still do that if you set up Discord right.

It can suppress your tunes when you or others talk.

[uneven mason]

I have my discord setup to supress everyone but me

[strong forum]

Now it's all about, CoRDinAtioN and CaLLinG CC and asking which CDs are ready

😪

[uneven mason]

Lamenting the days of Legion

and BFA

[cinder nova]

Yeah, they saw what early M+ was like and how it developed into a big pull and cleave meta

[uneven mason]

"Why coordinate with DPS when you are the DPS"

[cinder nova]

So they built their dungeons and affixes to discourage that

[strong forum]

Which is dogshit

[uneven mason]

They literally spent 2 years staring at Greater Rifts in D3 and knew what was coming

it all turns into "Pull bigger until you get 1 shot"

[modern brook]

They coulda just made it not have %

Then I'd just be speed running bosses

[cinder nova]

Listen, after 3 expansions of Never Surrender still existing as a talent I've given up on their powers of observation.

[strong forum]

Hah

[modern brook]

Always surrender

[jagged pier]

ppl run it

[uneven mason]

then you group would be whatever CC/invis crap would allow you to skip the most trash

[cinder nova]

WHO?

[jagged pier]

i saw alot of warrior while lvling my shammy that had it

🤷

[modern brook]

Yeah and rogues would be good again

[cinder nova]

Lol...

Leveling talents are the new meta guys.

[modern brook]

What a world to be in

[cinder nova]

Nobody runs NS.

[chilly brook]

More like wasn't bound or on the bars

[cinder nova]

It's been a dogshit talent since it was made.

[uneven mason]

ANyone who knows Mwahi's super secret OP Prot mode

[cinder nova]

If they just made a weaker version of NS baseline and gave us a real talent in that row I'd be happy.

[uneven mason]

Nah I've seen him use it in raid

Like on sinseekers

[chilly brook]

Jokes on you

[uneven mason]

after I've mentioned that its physical damage

[chilly brook]

He clicks it out of his spellbook

[cinder nova]

He opens his book and

BEAT ME TO IT

Fuck you Griff

[uneven mason]

right

[chilly brook]

[uneven mason]

Just like my only warlock specs out of cookies

and fucking trolls by handing them out one at a time

[chilly brook]

Kekw

Sounds like a solid dude

[uneven mason]

He is

[chilly brook]

I'd do the same if I was a lock

[uneven mason]

Or my mage who summons a Portal to Dalaran Crater

inside the summoning closet

(best troll ever)

[light thicket]

Classic

[cinder nova]

Share some tea with your lock.

Just straight up fucking dome him with a can

[light thicket]

Oooh never seen this one

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[light thicket]

Cant wait to try it out

[chilly brook]

That bullshit does actually piss me off

[cinder nova]

Why? You can leap.

[uneven mason]

It delays raid

[modern brook]

Best troll portal is still stonard cause u can say haha u got stonard

[nocturne sage]

Odd question but I was pugging H Sire last night and the pug said I was the first warrior tank they’ve seen/run with. Are we that rare or is this just too small of a sample size?

[chilly brook]

This

Has nothing to do with me dying that's a non issue

[cinder nova]

Warrior is the lowest pop tank, yes.

[uneven mason]

We're rare because it takes more than 3 fingers and enough braincells to tie your shoes to play Prot in raids

[light thicket]

Former, english be hard

[chilly brook]

It's the fact that it just wastes a lot of time

[cinder nova]

Mostly because it takes a brain to do it well and people don't like using their noodles.

They like pushing the shiny button and being health bars.

What causes BrM to pump damage? 🤔 They're 3rd and not by a necessarily slim sum.

Do they just stack crit and get fat kegs or what

[chilly brook]

They just do fatty damage

[nocturne sage]

Well they also commented that I was taking less damage than one of their main tanks who out-gears me 220 to my 216. (Their main tank is a DK so I kinda get it)

[cinder nova]

I mean, yeah, everyone but maybe paladin takes less damage than DK lol

[lusty marsh]

Sounds like a lack of revenge.

[chilly brook]

They got actual dps CDs now and they have two good dps legendaries

[cinder nova]

Makes sense.

Nothing gets me harder than seeing WW specced for that bonkers SCK cleave in M+

Watching those dopey fucks get north of 20K DPS on pulls

[chilly brook]

Keg smash pumps with stormstouts last gasps

And they SCK lego is dummy damage

[cinder nova]

Yuh

I remember when SCK was filler AOE

Now it's the big chad cleave

[light thicket]

My co tank on H sire was a BDK who according to a healer was recieving almost double the damage i was

[cinder nova]

Yeah he's also healing like 3x the amount you are too

BDK has some hilarious healing parses

[uneven mason]

To quote "Why is the BDK 2nd on healing"

My response "Why isn't the BDK first?"

[cinder nova]

Basically.

[flint roost]

Bdk is a fun class but i would argue against calling it a tank class...in the strictest of terms heh

[cinder nova]

When you have a rotational ability that can full heal you from 20%

You're gonna do a lot of healing

[uneven mason]

SOmeone getting mad at our healers, and I'm like - because that is literally how they work

[cinder nova]

Your entire object is don't get one shot lol

[uneven mason]

in mid keys BDK is amazing

[copper lava]

This

[uneven mason]

it just REALLY sucks on Necrotic

[cinder nova]

Necro is like the anethama of those guys

[uneven mason]

Like its the only tank that doesn't have big padding vs getting 1 shot

[cinder nova]

It's why I like warrior. Greiv sucks, but it's not really that bad.

[chilly brook]

Wdym its 100% a tank

[cinder nova]

Necro shits on so many

[uneven mason]

everyone else can turtle the fuck up

[flint roost]

I mean, it feels less tanky anf more healy

[uneven mason]

Guardian and warriors deal with it the best, a Venth Guardian just gives 0 fucks about necrotic

Its a reactive tank

[cinder nova]

Most tanks are operating on a band of damage smoothing, BDK doesn't really smooth damage all that much.

[hot oxide]

That bdk with the venth cov ability. Suck

[uneven mason]

the most reactive tank

[cinder nova]

Spike damage is the leading cause of tank death.

That's why we attempt to smooth our intake because it makes healing easier and predictable.

[uneven mason]

which is why BDK do less well in higher keys

[cinder nova]

BDK very much strays from that

[uneven mason]

where Spikes can happen very suddenly

[cinder nova]

And there are plenty of one-shots

[chilly brook]

Getting hit hard is irrelevant if you can tank the damage and still live....

[uneven mason]

yup

yeah if a BDK takes 98% Of its health in 1 hit

[cinder nova]

That's not really true, Griff.

[uneven mason]

and has a 5 stack of hemo

its going to be 100% in 1 GCD

[cinder nova]

BDK has dogshit numbers on TMI because it's so spiky

[uneven mason]

you didn't just mention TMI

[cinder nova]

I did.

Fight me.

[uneven mason]

blocking is easier

[hot oxide]

Today escalated quickly

[cinder nova]

If BDK could use shields they'd be the biggest chads in tanking

1000%

[chilly brook]

It is if you take 98% of your health and restore 75% of it you only took 23% of your health in damage

[cinder nova]

Problem is that you're taking other damage usually between that.

[chilly brook]

At least for the healer

[cinder nova]

Only a bot with perfect reaction time can reasonably make that an argument

[uneven mason]

I prefer healing BDK over VDH, at least BDK I Can monitor runic power

[chilly brook]

Bro

[sturdy sable]

Good thing you can death strike more then 1 a fight then

[chilly brook]

Like

[uneven mason]

VDH I'm like "Does he have souls...IDK"

[chilly brook]

I play with a blood dk

He's a monster

[flint roost]

I would rather smooth out dmg and heal less but then i guess it wouldnt be bdk heh

[cinder nova]

Pretty sure there's a buff on VDH for souls.

[uneven mason]

Yeah BDK legit

[hot oxide]

I feel like bdk haft to use that 20% dmg reduction ability in cool down

[cinder nova]

Our Holy Priest screams at him about taking his souls.

[chilly brook]

No

They dont

Blood using DRs in places that wouldn't kill them is actually hurting their tankyness

[cinder nova]

What do you mean? We do that.

[uneven mason]

BDK feel very nice, as long as you're not wasting RP

[cinder nova]

Even without BV you Demo on CD

[sturdy sable]

Vengs souls scale with damage taken like death strike

[chilly brook]

Like legit

If the swing isn't gonna kill you

You dont pop a DR as a blood dk

[cinder nova]

What, their entire gimmick is just using CDs on one shots? 🤔

[chilly brook]

You'd rune tap at the start of a pull without bone shield up

[cinder nova]

I do think something has to be done about their bone shield wind up.

[sturdy sable]

Their entire gimick is to survive exactly as much as you need to

[cinder nova]

You can't kill what's already dead

[uneven mason]

The only time I Start rolling the rune taps

[chilly brook]

But otherwise you only use DRs if its gonna be fatal without it

[cinder nova]

:^)

[uneven mason]

is like, Sludge sub 30%