protection

[brave jetty]

but my guild isn't doing relevant content in mythic so 😐

[jagged pier]

if u enjoy the playstyle and not make life harder for the raid and make it work run reprisal

[brave jetty]

Yeah that was mostly why I tried it, I find it way more fun than The Wall for sure

[woven torrent]

how do you guys deal with necrotic stacks without kyrian?

just TC and leap away?

i find myself getting 30 stacks in places where I cant move much and making it much harder for the healer

[ionic fern]

Intervene/leap mostly jeah. It will be a lot harder if your dps players are bad and don't slow or just to horrendous dps making the packs live forever.

[woven torrent]

hmm alright

[blazing condor]

always good to make sure inspiring mob goes down early so you can cc

since you can CC the inspiring mob you can also get it further away even in pulls and then CC the rest of the mobs

but thats a bit more work

[strong forum]

Or hard cc the inspiring mob, kill the dangerous mobs, then include the inspiring mob in the pull afterwards

[jagged pier]

pull inspired mobs onto bosses

[strong forum]

Would be nice, but then brother necrotic fucks you in the ass

[blazing condor]

just do it on bolster weeks

[strong forum]

And you'll like it wherether you want to or not

[blazing condor]

🤔

[crisp dragon]

What do you guys think? Get some sockets, for work towards 226 conduits? I have all 213 conduits, some 226, and 3 sockets, got 14k stygia to work with

[ebon hound]

Conduit upgrades dont really help much, sockets more worth

[crisp dragon]

I would have enough to get them all 226, and that does mean a few extra % damage here and there on different things

But you're definitely right

[lime urchin]

fellow tonks

big drama here

mah 13 year old macbook is dying I think 😦

anyone tried that new mac M1 series?

[crisp dragon]

I think it's gonna be hard to find one using them in here, there probably are some, but maybe there's a better place to look

[lime urchin]

I should ask this question else where indeed

[jagged pier]

if im gunna be honest i dont recommend using a mac for any game

[lime urchin]

but this window frame was open when it happened and I panicked

[strong forum]

I wouldn't use a laptop to begin with

[north coral]

Can you block while casting door of shadows?

[worldly crown]

Why are tanks tanking ravager on M+? its damage is shit

[remote tusk]

Damage shit? What

[strong forum]

Ravager is huge rage gain on short CD and good dmg

[worldly crown]

Fellow tonk. Stop being a sheep and buy a proper laptop. Kind regards, windows tonks

[worldly crown]

Oh what, slap it on CD and just spam ignore pain from it?

[strong forum]

Revenge

[worldly crown]

yeah could do

[strong forum]

Not IP

Ravager + revenge spam is huge dmg

[worldly crown]

10% haste just seems really good overall

[strong forum]

Back in bfa ravager was dogshit dmg yes, but they greatly increased its dmg output and it now generates 60 rage

ITF itself is best for ST

But in multitarget ravager grants more rage and dmg

[remote tusk]

Plus it moves with target

Which is pretty nice

[strong forum]

And it's 40 yards range and moves slowly with the target now ye

[lime urchin]

you write dis and shit on ravager. I dont know what to say 😮

[jagged pier]

i mean he also said get a proper laptop which is sus get a proper PC and be much happier

[steep condor]

Bit embarrassing this but i tend to find it much easier to learn the basics from youtube guides (which i then follow up on by looking at IV/Wowhead). Is there anyone whose prot warrior (rotation in particular) guide you'd recommend on youtube? I know there's a lot of misinformation out there too.

[jagged pier]

i mean prot doesnt have a 'set' rotation

so thats gunna be pretty hard to find

[strong forum]

Current specs have priority lists

[blazing condor]

if it procs u press

[strong forum]

Moreso than rotations

[steep condor]

ok i will just try soloing a torghast run then. I tend to learn a lot from doing that 🙂

spam thunderclap i guess?

[jagged pier]

no

[strong forum]

SS > TC > Revenge

If you're rage capping revenge > TC

[steep condor]

i've just been hitting shield slam's when they proc to generate rage and then using it on shield block, ignore pain or on dps.

[strong forum]

IP is defensive rage dump

Avatar on CD

Demo basically on CD

[steep condor]

only if booming voice right?

[strong forum]

Ravager on CD

[steep condor]

ahh so its mostly all on CD 🙂 nice!

[strong forum]

Technically Demo on CD aswell for the dmg reduction

Even without BV

[blazing condor]

some bosses i use it proactively for certain mechanics if i know its gonna hit hard

[steep condor]

ah this seems less complicated than i had thought 🙂

[blazing condor]

and i dont got SR or similar

[steep condor]

i think the hard thing for me will be when to use shield wall and other defensive cooldowns. In my head they have a 30 min cd 🙂

[strong forum]

Yeah that just takes practice

[remote tusk]

Don't bring Shield Wall back to 30 min CD plz

[steep condor]

do we have a way to get health back during a fight without victory rush?

[strong forum]

Knowing when it's smart to use it, to get it back for when you need it again

[strong forum]

Indom and VR are the only ways

[steep condor]

indom? vr? 🙂

oh vicotry rush

[blazing condor]

indomitable (the talent)

[steep condor]

ok

cool thx

[steep condor]

with like 185-190 ilvl i should be able to solo torghast lvl 8?

no lego yet

[jagged pier]

yes

[remote tusk]

If you select the right powers, easily.

[steep condor]

will check guide for desirable powers 🙂

feels so sexy hauling a big shield around 🙂

[blazing condor]

😳

[steep condor]

?

haven't had a shield for a long time /sigh

[jagged pier]

i dont have a shield atm

disappears when i enter instances

[steep condor]

haha

[blazing condor]

my shield is a turtle shell

and not one of those spikey ones

[strong forum]

Same

I miss it already

[jagged pier]

im gunna be honest tho i like backhanding ppl

and i like tanking with the sword i have

[strong forum]

It's okay, but I didn't farm fixing 400 legion assaults in 1 week to then not use the shield..

This is my current thing + what would be legion breaker

It would look so fucking good

With legion breaker showing

[steep condor]

immovable object?

[jagged pier]

yer but i think they tried to fix the bug and this is the result and tbh i can get behind 2h tanking

not gunna lie

[strong forum]

I hope it's just cuz of trial of style

I actually miss my shield

[jagged pier]

oh yer could be something stupid like that

wish i had tusks geting close to like 700 kills or somthing dumb

and i fuking cba running it anymore it takes so long

[strong forum]

Doesn't the ID abusing work?

[jagged pier]

its harder now and takes longer to do it

[strong forum]

Unlugg

[jagged pier]

plus the drop rate doing it that way it like .007 or somthing dumb

[blazing condor]

@steep condor secretion-coated carapace 🙂

[strong forum]

Ah the classic "npc mog" for pandas

Cuz nothing else works

Besides npc mogs

[blazing condor]

nah there's a few good ones that work

[strong forum]

Have not seen a single one that uses shoulders

That's not fugly

[jagged pier]

i use shoulders on mine

tbh the elite set or cn mythic doesnt look that bad at all on pandas

male or fmale

[steep condor]

im .. i die a lot in torghast on packs

i think im panicing and just spamming keys 🙂

[flat bramble]

i solo t8 at like 175 ilevel prot

so it's possible

the hardest one for warriors is the fire one with the perma %pv dot

[steep condor]

cool 🙂 will keep trying

casters seem to be hurting me

cleared the first floor of level 8 .. only one life left though so restarting 🙂 shame. had this realy nice power taht gave me victory rush every 20 seconds

[smoky wave]

Eeeeeurgh. That one can get in the bin. It's fine past floor 3 as the ravenous orb basically turns the mechanic off, but it's just so obnoxious.

[sick sentinel]

Leeet's go!

[blazing condor]

there it is dude

[lime urchin]

how is palading on le bottem

necrotic is no affix for them, right

[sick sentinel]

because it's paper

hah

[lime urchin]

they are paper at +23

they are fine at +16

[blazing condor]

the proper term now days is cardboard

[lime urchin]

cardboard are pretty stronk

[blazing condor]

actually true

[sick sentinel]

better?

[strong forum]

I'd rather say

That the S tier doesn't exist

So it's full on misleading

Should be everyone in B tier and vdh in A tier

Then it's accurate

[ebon hound]

Cardboard Assassin - S tier

[sick sentinel]

Dunno, tbh imo it's quite accurate since i go by raider.io runs

[strong forum]

Na, it just puts the highest thing automatically in s tier

When S tier shouldn't be filled out at all

Nothing is S tier

Is what I'm saying

[sick sentinel]

you don't think dh is very much ahead of the others?

[elfin nova]

He does

You're missing the point

[strong forum]

I'm saying VDH is A tier, but not strong enough to be S tier

Every other tank is B tier.

S would mean the tank is actually a real tank spec

[sick sentinel]

Ah okay

[sick sentinel]

haha yeah, slow morning 😛

[sick sentinel]

Wish this kitting meta would just end...

[strong forum]

Well pwar doesn't really kite, vdh kites 50% and bear kites like 20%

Ish

It's just vdh offers his stupid high magic mitigation and meta windows for insane safety Windows, where other tanks would flop, but then have to run screaming when meta is over

[junior pebble]

S tier is all relative isnt it

VDH in S and everyone in A or VDH in A and everyone else B is the same

[strong forum]

Ofc it's relative, but it's stupid to say anything is S tier in a meta when all tanks are paper, that's like accepting defeat

S tier implies overwhelmingly strong

When it's factually incorrect

[junior pebble]

Yes, there is the implcation that S tier is good, but in reality its less shitty relatively

[strong forum]

So I hate those metrics

Cuz it gives a wrong perception to those that don't understand the nuances of it

Like, the wowhead post about dungeon viability is great

It says every dungeon is C tier or worse this week

Which is absolutely correct

Even the easiets dungeon is only C tier this week

[junior pebble]

Yeah saying any tank is S tier this week is meaningless and inaccurate

saying any tank is S tier in general is misleading and inaccurate

[hazy thicket]

no it isnt. This isnt just a relative ranking. S tier exists to imply powerful to the point of oppressive in the form of making any alternative almost pointless.

[surreal sinew]

i mean brm mastery/evasion makes necrotic easier than most tanks i find

only week where i kinda miss it

[strong forum]

Ontop of that, subcreation only pulls logs from the highest keys done, so if a tank ( like pwar was) that has veryfew representation and nobody pushing keys with it, its automatically portrayed worse cuz it only goes by highest key done

And if nobody plays it, it automatically gets a bad ranking due to low representation

[strong forum]

Subcreation is literally only going by relativity

Not by real metrics

If the entirety of wow, for 1 week would only do 15s and then only 1 class would do a few +20s, everything would be ranked as F tier and only the class that has done the 20s would be automatically S tier

It's a great site, but the rankings are to be ignored

[hazy thicket]

Right, no idea that was how the tool works. I would still say it is incorrect that it is conflating 'best performance' alone within these ranks, but i guess 'S Tier Rankings' are flashy and get people talking. Seems reasonable as you say to ignore the rankings, and the implications of the 'S Tier' completely

[strong forum]

Si

[languid mason]

Hey guys!

Jus looted my mythic weekly box and got gluttonous spike trinket, is it any good for m+/raiding?

[steep condor]

WOOOOOT. solo'd one side of torghast level 8 solo. ok i had AMAZING powers lol so it felt like cheating. but nice improvement in using my abilities 🙂

[languid mason]

Is it any good guys?

Or worth it

[strong forum]

Spike is good

[surreal sinew]

the spike is more than decent and is a fine trinket. Think someone was saying it scales quite a lot with ilvl a while back. I used to run it with scale on easier keys (still prefer the sun king trinket)

[strong forum]

Nothing amazing, nothing terrible

[languid mason]

Ok good to work with till u get BoS

BiS

[fading prawn]

Which is best for Reprisal, Legs or Feet?

[surreal sinew]

legs unless you can get the pants of slg mythic

so usually legs

[fading prawn]

Lol My main isn't even doing Mythic yet so no way my tank alt will be anytime soon, Legs it is xD

[steep condor]

do you need the red ravenous anima cell in upper reaches?

[jagged pier]

no?

[steep condor]

ok cool

wait.. why the ?

[jagged pier]

i like dont pick up owers in torghast

[surreal sinew]

it offers some perks but it shouldn't really change much and base powers should be enough, i take if i have too much phantasma and that's all

[jagged pier]

so i dont know what they are

[steep condor]

and yet you answered 🙂

[surreal sinew]

it's the orb you throw at mobs

[steep condor]

in soul forges its very useful to stop the constant health loss from aoe heat

[surreal sinew]

yes and there's also one that removes slows if you want to pull everything

[steep condor]

was just wondering if something similar in upper reaches.. no worries though too late now 🙂

[inland raft]

Good in twisted for the skeletons ao can get infinite currency basixally and get all the powers

[surreal sinew]

pretty sure the only remarquable buff is the fire dmg reduction

[inland raft]

But mostly its not important

[steep condor]

kk 🙂 thx

I thought I would join a torghast group rather than soloing it. Every group listed had a tank.. and every one of those tanks was a warrior 🙂

[stoic mural]

Hey guys ! How do i know which trinket combo is best when i Sim as a tank ?
I have Hakkar one and the one giving armor and reflecting melee dmg. But 2 actives seems not very worth uh ?

Should i pair with a passive one like Putrefaction flask or Gluttonous spike?

[surreal sinew]

remove the armor trinket (the one from sd)

it's hot garbage

[median tulip]

The Anima Field Emitter is amazing

[surreal sinew]

spike is decent

anima is awesome

[median tulip]

AFE+Scale is what I run all the time

[surreal sinew]

putrefaction is nice for damage

[jagged pier]

honestly after running scale its not all that i like my decanter phial combo tbh

[inland raft]

Scale does pretty solid damage and practically doubles your effective hp on a short cd id say its all that

[stoic mural]

Yup now i got scale, im pretty impressed how good it is

[jagged pier]

it does half the damage of my decanter 🤷 and i dont really struggle with the damage so the shield is sort of meh

[stoic mural]

Need to find whats best in slot in my bags to pair up with. Ty for hints

[inland raft]

I mean if just doing weekly 15 keys then ya its prob not that hot

[jagged pier]

when i got back to 18s maybe then

but atm its a bit meh for me

[stoic mural]

You run different builds for 15 keys ? Im still pushing slowly

I ran hot runs with PF flask so i Wonder if i should run very agressive with Scale

[surreal sinew]

high gear and more xp means you can look for more damage and need less survivability

/comfort too

[inland raft]

Generally anything less then a 20 you can get away with prioing damage over anything else

[stoic mural]

Since the up i feel like i need less survivability and bring extra damage

[inland raft]

If comfortable with class at least

[stoic mural]

OK, seems right i should try scale + flask

[surreal sinew]

phial will do decent damage

[jagged pier]

we do damage here bois

[surreal sinew]

and anything is better than the sd trinket

[stoic mural]

Yup SD is very weak imo. Only works vs melee

Maybe i could give it a shot against some Dungeons but... dont Know which one x)

[surreal sinew]

is that with reverb or without?

[jagged pier]

nah that was my first run with repirsal

[surreal sinew]

i'm doing something wrong ><

[jagged pier]

was mists 16/17 cant remeber big pump dungeon

[stoic mural]

Gained 1k dps with reprisal change and aura buff tbh

[inland raft]

Warrior pumps if ignore ip and dont have to kite and just pump out revenges especiat with bsc and reprisal

[jagged pier]

i barely press IP tbh

[inland raft]

Ya best defense is kill then before they kill you

I generally only ip boss magic damage or if a pride goes long

[stoic mural]

Same, ip isnt my priority. I feel ok so i dont max it out

Best Served Cold forever

[inland raft]

Im also nf so im all in on the more damage

[surreal sinew]

i made the switch yesterday but it's back to the renown grind for now

way more fun than the bloody banner

[steep condor]

im just gona stick with venth and see how i get on 🙂 just started reading about prot warrior last night and playing it in torghast today 🙂 enjoying it!

[stoic mural]

NF was my 1st covenant. Tried Kyrian and Venthyr but damn. NF is so Well rounded

[steep condor]

and now. i get to make the legendary!

[surreal sinew]

all covs are fine

i was vent for most of early xpac and did ksm with it easily enough

[steep condor]

hey i asked this last night and so im just double checking before i spend the soul ash.. im only 190 ilvl but my legs are 226.. its ok to make reprisal on feet right? i will never mythic raid..

[stoic mural]

Yes, every single covenant seems good atm. Venthyr prot is very Nice toi

[steep condor]

in fact i will prob only do m+

[jagged pier]

slot of leggo makes a very small different tbh

so it really doesnt matter yes legs are more stats

but it really doesnt matter

[stoic mural]

Sure you can take another slot. Some go on legs others on feet

[latent oriole]

Am I the only one excited to pair leaper with reprisal when we get 2

[surreal sinew]

if you have 226 legs maybe you want to try feet

it shouldn't be a big difference

[stoic mural]

Nah ! I want Reverb and put revenge on every single keybind

[surreal sinew]

does feel really nice when you can get away with it and just pump

[stoic mural]

I Never get away until theyre all dead. I took the warrior class ideology too far

[steep condor]

Thanks @jagged pier and @surreal sinew (ps i want a fez. I used to have one as a kid and wore it all the time)

[surreal sinew]

I like hats

It’s the pinnacle of my collection

That and too much doctor who

[jagged pier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nPShmyequ4&t=409s&ab_channel=TheAngryAstronaut this might help you with the basics

[fiery remnant]

How the hell do i use banner

[jagged pier]

what do u mean?

you use it to buff others with their cds

thats it

[surreal sinew]

Omnicd to track them

Rétri is really cool, easy to line up with

There also a week aura that shows who’s in range (on wago or on plka’s disc)

The wall

[signal plover]

Wall

[surreal sinew]

Nah not at all

Inerva sucks a bit more than the rest

But that’s all

Nw, you too

Shoulders

Haven’t seen anyone make back

Dw dw

(Although the pins probably have that bit)

[cinder skiff]

I have been using https://mplus.subcreation.net/ to see what people have been using on specs in m+

The data used is from high keys

Prot has been climbing the list since 9.05

Bolster talent seems big this week

[strong forum]

Back is the worst slot to put a legendary on

[strong forum]

It's cuz the people that are pushing, are fresh rerollers and aren't geard enough, but have groups that allow them to push higher keys than the average player

So they play bolster

[cinder skiff]

I have slowly gearing my prot from playing my bear, lower gear does suck. But I darn near put out the same damage.

[versed bough]

EYO does the unbreakable will better than the wall?

[cinder skiff]

Feels good to have a shield lol

[steep condor]

PERFECT!!! Thanks 🙂

[surreal sinew]

no not really

it's an intresting legendary at best but i'd put it at the bottom of the list

[versed bough]

Im using it in m+

• anger management

feels good tbh

[surreal sinew]

reprisal should just do more for damage mitigation and damage output

but i haven't had the occasion to mess around with it

think i want to try on a high ish SD

[strong forum]

It benefits your group more, but wall itself will make you much more tanky as you can play Bolster

Am + UW is just asking to get killed frequently, cuz you have very little block uptime

[cinder skiff]

Booming voice or best served cold while gearing, I was using BSC

[plush tendon]

Booming Voice was simming better for me, I think both are viable though

[jagged pier]

its better on ST

[strong forum]

BSC in multitarget, BV in ST

Assuming you're playing reprisal

If you play anything but reprisal, play BV at all times

[cinder skiff]

Yes I have reprisal

[surreal sinew]

even for reverb @strong forum ?

[uneven mason]

Use the wall, you'll get more total shield walls

[signal plover]

Nah, bsc for reverb

[surreal sinew]

k thx

[uneven mason]

Seismic big BSC

don't use seismic in ST tho 😄

[surreal sinew]

yeah ofc, i'm liking it for the weekly 10 chest grind

[lusty marsh]

How do you guys create distance to charge with reprisal

[surreal sinew]

leap or shockwave run away

[hollow pine]

focus intervene

or leap

[surreal sinew]

intervene out works too but you lose one revenge

[jagged pier]

make sure im max range and running and fear

to chrage

[hot sky]

there is a soft cap to hazte?

[surreal sinew]

after 39% it falls of hard

there's one before but can't remember

[hot sky]

i mean soft cap not hard bc I'ma build crit n haste / vers for pvp

[surreal sinew]

there's no minimum hast and no maximum haste, around 20/25% starts to feel pleasant to play with

(with itf)

but if you're getting some haste on most of your gear you should be fine

[inland raft]

Wtb vers

[surreal sinew]

just pvp

[jagged pier]

106%

[hot sky]

😝

[jagged pier]

thats the softcap 🤷

[uneven mason]

softcaps generally mean, meeting a criteria where the stat loses value, in this case, there is none 😄

Haste until your feet fall off.

[sweet echo]

What secondary stats we aiming for in m+

[surreal sinew]

both are nice

streamers are big, there are some links in general

and i know plka and jakey have done some commenteray on keys

[ebon hound]

Use Icy-Veins (:

[lime urchin]

Wait yall got haste? I’m sitting here on 14% :-((

[sweet summit]

[uneven mason]

I think I have like 9%

or 8%

[surreal sinew]

ouch

[uneven mason]

or -8%

kidding I Have 21%

is gud

[jagged pier]

yer but Ikarikaze has boomer fingers so he needs low haste

[surreal sinew]

nice bait

xD

[strong forum]

30%

[surreal sinew]

same as always, ilvl>haste

think at equal ilvl you could look at vers or crit for your other secondary

[strong forum]

I'm fucking flyiiiing dude

[sick sentinel]

and what´s your feeling on damage intake with 10% versa ?

[jagged pier]

people really need to get the vers thing out of their brains

[signal plover]

Hot take, vers doesn't fuckin matter unless you're getting one shot by a cast in a 24

[jagged pier]

its means nothing

[strong forum]

Very little, Id like more mastery though now.. I crit block very rarely

Don't like that

[plush tendon]

I think people need to stop caring about stats in general; put on your highest I level gear; prioritize pieces with haste, but like dont sacrifice I level for a stat

[strong forum]

I think I'll socket and enchant into mastery, it does have quite an impact with having huge block uptime from reprisal

I'm also running pelagos again for the added benefit of the mastery for crit blocking

[plush tendon]

ewww Kyrian

[strong forum]

(also sims higher on multitarget now that sof works)

[jagged pier]

i run pelagos in dungeons

and sludge

[strong forum]

Especially on sludge I'd run pepe

For that burst mastery buff

[jagged pier]

get pv and ashen for big pillar pump

but nome gunna come in and get rank 3

and knock me down to 4th

sadge

[strong forum]

Mebeh

Idk

[jagged pier]

beaten me on every other fight 🤔

also you have an easier sludge fight than i did

[strong forum]

Oh I beat you on council by 600 dps, I thought you were higher

[jagged pier]

i killed it jus tbefore the nerfs

[jagged pier]

i havent been there with reprisal or in the new patch

[strong forum]

Get fucked

[jagged pier]

yer sadge

wont get to go for logs till sire dies so probs never

as we will kill sire like the week before new raid at this rate

[strong forum]

Me neither

It's my 1 shot at not being scrub tier

[jagged pier]

not that i actually care about mythic logs to much tbh would rather the boss just be dead

[sweet summit]

rumours say tiers gonna last a very long time

so i believe in u both

[signal plover]

Yeh expecting a reclear.

[sick sentinel]

new tier also got stuck in the Suez...

[jagged pier]

well we at SLG now but if u loked at our artifcer and council progress you wouldnt believe

[signal plover]

We lost a full night of prog last night because one of our long time (2+ years) raiders decided for the second night in a row that he would rather just play CoD instead of raiding instead of telling us. Then another one had an internet maintenance guy show up right when raid started.

[shut summit]

[jagged pier]

i feel a bench coming for that guy

[signal plover]

He's getting booted today

[strong forum]

Wish that were me

[uneven mason]

I don't understand kids

[signal plover]

We usually have 3-4 bois on bench to cover but this tier has been more rough than usual

[strong forum]

We'll be losing 2 raiders on Monday aswell

Cuz they didn't like the atmosphere and slow progress

[signal plover]

And fuckin making 4 swaps on SLG fucks with timing so much

[sick sentinel]

I do. He probably has a new girlfriend and he´s on a short leash

[signal plover]

He's not a kid...he's a 30+ yr old doctor

[plush tendon]

Naw dude, by this time in the tier people get burnt

[jagged pier]

my guild has gone from ~500 to ~2000 because ppl like to stare at there numbers instead of mechanics

[plush tendon]

its hard to find the will to finish the tier

[uneven mason]

Dude applies to my guild to raid, all excited about raiding, busts his ass to gear up.
Legit raid night comes when he finally breaks the 210 mark to be brought in.
"I can't raid tonight."
15min goes by he's still online, Y?
"Because I'm doing M+"
/ G U I L D R E M O V E

[signal plover]

It's not tbh, this has been a fun tier, ppl just get in their own heads about the dumbest shit.

[uneven mason]

yeah this raid has been a challenge

[sick sentinel]

true, we got several guys who just got burnt.

[uneven mason]

I think the difficulty with the early gear grind really burned people out

[plush tendon]

This is why its so important to have the 21 man

[signal plover]

Like typical burn out is no problem were always rdy to cover that

[jagged pier]

this was our artifcer progress me falling alseep because im so bored, then range still getting hit by ghosts because they need to finish their casts

[uneven mason]

when you pump dungeons and all you hve to show for it is 88 gold from vendoring another cloak

[plush tendon]

or people on the bench, that may not prog, but you bring them in

for reclear

[signal plover]

Unexpected, uncommunicated selfish absences are the killer

[uneven mason]

This

[sick sentinel]

Y, that is just plain rudeness and lack of respect

[signal plover]

Correct

[plush tendon]

At the end of the day though, its a game and you arent beholden to a bunch of randos on the internet

[uneven mason]

Legit got 2 people who just might not be there, and when I @ them 15min after raid start "Oh uh, work came up" (Literally saw one dude "Playing Hearthstone")
Like bro..

You can't lie when you're streaming card games

[signal plover]

You'd expect a little more than that from someone you've considered a friend for 2 years tho

[uneven mason]

Must be a girl

[signal plover]

It's not

He's just mad that we aren't reclearing cuz he doesnt do weekly keys and has 200ilvl shoulders.

[plush tendon]

Breaking news, local man disappointed by friend letting him down

[signal plover]

At least I don't play banner

Kek

[plush tendon]

why u do this

[broken flame]

I love my banner. No one will change my mind.

[signal plover]

Just had to vent a bit

[jagged pier]

its not the letting down tbh all my guild stilla good group of guys but every few tiers everyone get complacent and want logs so our progress is trash and slow and it kicks every one in the arse to do better, like i can tell u how many times a certain dps has complained about not getting PI when it doesnt fucking matter if he does or doesnt

[modern brook]

bro if my doctor played cod I'd find a new doctor

If i cant trust him to play good games why would i trust him with my health?

[signal plover]

Rofl

Fair point

[sick sentinel]

14 haste

[strong forum]

Well that's just low ilvl right there

[uneven mason]

49k HP

oof

what is that like 180 ilvl?

[strong forum]

Around 195 I think

195-200

[uneven mason]

TFW Niya gives you scewed perspective on max HP

[half scarab]

Hey, is the prot FAQ up to date? I was browsing it and it said that Kyrian would be the best covenant for raids with the shieldwall lege. But I've been talking to guildies and they seem to think that a new lege that gives you shield block would better along with Necro as covenant.

[uneven mason]

They're trying to trick you with that necro talk

The Wall is very strong in raids still, and simple to use

reprisal is more complex to take full advantage of

NL is a personal DPS loss but a gain for other classes if used right

it was Llarolded into being some amazing superpower but really its still weaker than the other 3 covenants, just, not a dumpster fire

its functional and is fine if you want to use it for 🤘 Xmog

[half scarab]

Aight, I did go Kyrian at first before checking with oneone so I guess I'll stick with that for now. It's not too much of a hassle to change covenants anyways. Thanks for the reply!

[marsh aurora]

They want you to go NL for their logs

don't listen

don't simp

[signal plover]

Using "Llarolded" was 10/10

[surreal sinew]

Moa is a 100% right

don't cave

[modern brook]

for raids def not

they're echoing hype fora class they dont understand

[surreal sinew]

reprisal is playable on some bosses

[modern brook]

playable != best option

[surreal sinew]

ofc

[modern brook]

frankly you're a tank

[surreal sinew]

felt smoother on sludge though

[modern brook]

everythings playable and none of your pre-fight decisions matter

[surreal sinew]

wall is the best choice pretty much always though

[brave mortar]

reprisal better on legs or feet?

[tame jasper]

legs if you DONT have access to SLG Mythic legs

[hot oxide]

do i want koryn or niya as NF?

[wanton condor]

I use koryn for m+, niya is more the ST bind

she does give more defenses when you hit AA if that's what you want though

[chilly brook]

Well bois I might actually be back to tanking fr

One of the tanks messaged me asking if I was willing to tank lol

[sand condor]

[shut summit]

[jagged pier]

someone else to beat me in rankings

[chilly brook]

Oof

[uneven mason]

got so many stacks from Niya my paladin co tank legit swore at me cause I hit 90khp

had LS going as well tho

still, not hard to make a paladin jealous

[blazing condor]

just realised ive done 10 DoS in 2 days

no trinket but ez vault i guess

[wanton condor]

like, are they threatening to kick you if you don't raid tank

[chilly brook]

No

[uneven mason]

Griff is prot at heart

4 serious

[chilly brook]

Hes just considering going dps

[wanton condor]

protraid is such bigsleep

[chilly brook]

And they know I'm decent at prot

[uneven mason]

73% uptime on Demo shout

[wanton condor]

they don't have enough mechanics for one tank, let alone two

[chilly brook]

Eh I'm really ok with raid tanking

The worst part about raid tanking is just the waiting 40 pulls for everyone else to get their stuff down

[uneven mason]

40 pulls 😢

[plush tendon]

raid tanking is a blessing and curse; probably the easiest role overall and youll never be sat. Worst part about tanking is waiting for everyone to get their heads out of their asses so you can kill a boss and you never get a night off 😦

[uneven mason]

right i Mean that is the catch tho, our stuff is all about being consistent so everyone else can find where their feet go.

[wanton condor]

I quite because I found I would literally be nodding off after 2hrs of raid because I had nothing to do

[uneven mason]

leading and tanking ez until SLG and Sire

[wanton condor]

you figure out optimization in 3 pulls and everything after that is getting dps to step out of the bad

[chilly brook]

That's why you PUUUMMMPP

[uneven mason]

Make it a healer problem, go all

[plush tendon]

Of course... but like after failed pull number 25 you sort of become numb to that also

gotta invest in that second monitor so I can catch up on some Netflix

[chilly brook]

Our rl is a tank

[wanton condor]

I stepped down tanking midway through fallen avatar prog back in the day because he had a total of 3 things for the tank to do in the whole fight and I was either going to doze off or neck myself if I did another pull as a tank

[signal plover]

Coward

[chilly brook]

I can feel the annoyance in his voice 20 pulls in

Because I know his pain

[plush tendon]

yea, thank god I dont rl

thankless job

[wanton condor]

make your BM raidlead

not like they have much to do otherwise

[plush tendon]

its hard to RL as a tank, cause you are sort of in your own world

[wanton condor]

you just can't see enough imo

boss takes up a quarter of the screen at least even at max zoom on some fights

[chilly brook]

Depends on the fight

I felt like I could probably do it from a tank perspective a lot of the time

But ranged is definitely the play

[signal plover]

You don't need to see to call cadence. And you can delegate positioning calls to a solid RDps player

[wanton condor]

it's the secret beast mastery raidbuff, you can raidlead from it because it's not like you've got anything else going on

[smoky wave]

this is a biggie for me. Introducted the raid to the concept of a crotch-boss the otherday, where you've your back to the wall and can only see the boss' crotch for the 10mins while they run about doing w/e dps do

[chilly brook]

It's not necessarily that, you can potentially do a lot more

[signal plover]

But you don't have to

[chilly brook]

For example BM really do have a lot of extra stuff they can devote brain power to

Sure you dont have to

[signal plover]

Most ppl fail at raid leading because they take on way too much instead of delegating

Both in and outside of raid

[chilly brook]

But being able to call individual personals etc. is a nice benefit

Theres a reason 21st man became a thing

[plush tendon]

Yea, but for your average gamer guild, the 21st man doesnt really make sense

[chilly brook]

But I 100% agree delegation is key in any leadership position

[signal plover]

Limits burnout as well

[chilly brook]

Yes and no, having someone that can potentially bring what a 21st man could bring is beneficial to any raid skill level imho

[plush tendon]

True, but no gamer after a long day of work wants to sit at their computer and tell other people what to do

[chilly brook]

But I do think its very unrealistic to expect anything like that whether inside the raid or outside of it from an average guild

[plush tendon]

at least, I wouldnt and couldnt imagine someone wanting to

[wanton condor]

I'm morally against 21st man in the same way I think stuff like hekili is bad, but it can help at any level and you really shouldn't be using it outside of wf races

[signal plover]

Absolutely. A solid RL or team of shot callers will elevate an avg mythic group to a CE one

[chilly brook]

I dont think theres anything wrong with 21st man at all

We have coaches in literally every competitive esport

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[wanton condor]

I think you should play the goddamn game. I'm okay with stuff like dbm because the game is designed around it at this point and the telegraphs are ass

[signal plover]

I mean, I'd probably chuckle at like a WR 2000 guild doing 21st man

[wanton condor]

and you generally don't have coaches midround?

[chilly brook]

But you are playing it

And you do

Coaches don't just stop being coaches once the round starts lol

[signal plover]

That new ERT healer CD WA is awesome

[chilly brook]

I've done it for my old siege team

[plush tendon]

21st man makes sense for those at the top, but for everyone else, although it would be a benefit, ya dont need it

[chilly brook]

Its enjoyable in its own way tbh

[wanton condor]

you don't have a team of coaches making shotcalls for the international competitors or shouting at evo "get the DP ready daigo"

[chilly brook]

I wouldn't ever do it for wow though, I'd rather just play

[plush tendon]

I mean, in most professional sports, the coach is directly involved

[chilly brook]

You literally do

Igl handles most of what he can

[plush tendon]

maybe not Esports, but they are still evolving

[chilly brook]

Coach steps in and supports where needed and if need be makes a call

[plush tendon]

I think the 'coach' position has been a relatively recent addition to most esports if im not mistaken

[brittle owl]

noy really, been around some time

[wanton condor]

coaches are literally banned in ranked for dota

[chilly brook]

Been around for a while

[surreal sinew]

not anymore

[wanton condor]

and tournament

[surreal sinew]

with the patch

[stark sage]

i'm just chiming in, but the old dota international many chinese teams used coaches
which kinda spurred western teams to use coaches, at least for dota

like TI1 pretty sure ehome had coaches

[surreal sinew]

but it's only one friend @wanton condor

[brittle owl]

you want a coach anyway for any performance based competition

[chilly brook]

Dota isn't the only competitive esport

It's super common in all of them

[brittle owl]

all of the big ones

[chilly brook]

Cant speak to whether they're banned in tournament

[stark sage]

yeah just an example of esport coaches being around a while ago, idk what the original premise of this discussion is tho

[plush tendon]

I think esports is just getting more sophisticated as it becomes more popular, and with that brings new support systems to improve the players ability

[chilly brook]

But in CS/R6 they're definitely not banned

[plush tendon]

its no longer 5-20 greasy gamers in a basement

[brittle owl]

it's all about money in the end. if the esport can support a coach's salary

[chilly brook]

And they're hugely involved in competition

[brittle owl]

they'll be hired

[wanton condor]

I think CSGO they're not allowed in match?

which is my point

[chilly brook]

Basically comparing 21st man rl to coaching

[brittle owl]

more of a sideline captain

than a coach

[stark sage]

ah, well wow esports are kinda weird in general
but idk 21st RL is fine

[brittle owl]

you could argue a guild master should have coaching responsability

[chilly brook]

All I know rn is my arms are dead

[brittle owl]

🍝

[hot oxide]

like

what qualifies you as a Esports coach?

you just say it and it happens?

[chilly brook]

No usually you played the game at a decent skill level

[hot oxide]

I have a doctorate, that doesn't mean I can go perform brain surgery.

[chilly brook]

It's not just a "yo lemme coach you I'm a good coach"

[stark sage]

i mean your ability to help the team get results is a pretty good qualifier

[chilly brook]

^

But usually you're an actually good player

[marsh aurora]

a few silver players made it to coaching postitions in league but taht's so rare

[chilly brook]

Cut your teeth coaching amateur teams or you played in some sort of competitive league and word of mouth makes it around

[marsh aurora]

basically people looking at games all day and not exactly playing the game could have good knowledge but meh

[stark sage]

usually the coach will specialize more in what the meta climate is, or what general strategies work best for your team
an individual player might be good at their class or w/e, but lack the knowledge of how to apply themselves in a team environment
so basically they need someone with managerial skills to get the most out of them

[chilly brook]

Also scouting

Although that's kinda something that's been pushed to the analyst

[stark sage]

same reasoning you want coaches for a NFL team, the players might be good but they're better in the hands of a good coach

[chilly brook]

^

[lime urchin]

I teach architecture and work as an architect. We are working more and more with gaming-spaces / e-sports ‘stadiums’ / gamers club housing etc

Interesting course of events. Did not expect this 10 years ago.

[chilly brook]

It's a huge industry

One of the fastest growing entertainment industries actually

[stark sage]

also esports players tend to have big egos, a coach can really reign in big personalities

[uneven mason]

Legit walmart even is getting in on it

putting Esports arenas in their stores

and they don't do anything if it can't make money

[wanton condor]

our old hole in the wall fighting/smash place moved into a racetrack for a full on esports area a few years back

need to get me shot so I can start going out again

[uneven mason]

ah yes, days when going out was an option.

*cries in parent

There are times I miss those days, selling loot from EQ on player auction so I could go waste it at the bar

[sly summit]

so ehm... prot warrior is busted? XD

[uneven mason]

Like, busted good, busted bad?

its not either, but just wondering context

[sly summit]

its insanely good

with reprisal

[uneven mason]

No, we're just good

sounds like someone got Llarolded

[sly summit]

i just dinged and im tanking +5 easily :/

[uneven mason]

ok

(we were doing that before Reprisal)

[sly summit]

you hardly take damage

[uneven mason]

hint - prot is strong at base, has been all Xpac

[sly summit]

way more tanky if feels compared to my brewmaster and DH which are 223 ilvl and 214

[uneven mason]

yes

because we are, "more tanky"

[sly summit]

and like perfect control and non stop cds

[uneven mason]

our base mitigation is higher than either of those 2, which are reactive tanks

DHs have far faster CD use than us 🤷

all tanks are just dandy, prot has a lot of base armor

[sly summit]

im NF and i enjoy it so mich lol

[uneven mason]

but not a ton of utility

so you're not wrong 😄

[sly summit]

#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
= win lol

[light thicket]

I love ppl discovering just now that prot is good

[remote tusk]

Why target=

and not just @

[uneven mason]

My healer last night in a +13 HoA "you're at 50 stacks"
"And I still have half health just kill the damn pull"

really am going to go back to kyrian, to eliminate kiting in keys higher than 15 as well for necrotic/grevious

I hate having to duck out because my DPS can't keep up ><

[surreal sinew]

just dps more?

[chilly brook]

Bruh no

[uneven mason]

I tried that

[sly summit]

whats the best dps build for prot?

[surreal sinew]

i don't look forward to kyrian

[chilly brook]

Kyrian isn't gonna eliminate kiting bro

👀

[modern brook]

I give you permission for the ultimate move

[uneven mason]

for necrotic/grevious it would

[sly summit]

3111223 im playing

[torn stump]

its just going to make your guild dps even lazier in helping you hite

[uneven mason]

mm

[torn stump]

kite*

[uneven mason]

true

[modern brook]

"You're at 50 stacks"

"When?"

"now wtf?"

"no when did i fucking ask"

[surreal sinew]

☝️

[uneven mason]

never tell me the odds

[torn stump]

signet+am prot huge peen dps, no sb uptime

get wrecked and blame it on heals

[surreal sinew]

you don't need sb

if stuff is dead

[torn stump]

boom

[uneven mason]

I don't take reprisal off to shower, why would I ever use signet

[torn stump]

bladestorm tom cruise meme

[modern brook]

Seismic Reverb asking if its a joke to u rn

[chilly brook]

When healers say this I laugh

I'm literally like "bro you're freaking out because I'm still at 70% and barely dropping, I'll be fine.

[torn stump]

never kite, if you die its either the healers fault for not healing enough, or the dps fault for not doing huge damages

kiting is for women and demon hunters

[uneven mason]

Although last night +12 DoS legit had a hunter who would CC the inspiring target

[chilly brook]

Idk I just laugh when healers freak out about necrotic but I'm not in danger

[uneven mason]

AND THEN FUCKING SHOOT IT

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[chilly brook]

[torn stump]

it has to be still so he can aim at it

[modern brook]

this is just hunter things

yall think just cause they aint playing bm anymore they're suddenly gaining brain cells?

[torn stump]

bm stonks on the rise rn

[modern brook]

smh dont buy into the bm shortsell

[chilly brook]

Bro bm is gucci now

They literally just couldn't let hunters not play bm for one tier

[sick sentinel]

we all know hunter´s problem was the pet being smarter than the player

[uneven mason]

I was so excited

[chilly brook]

[uneven mason]

to have someone who would CC

and then, they just crushed my dreams

[copper lava]

I hadn't played prot since legion and am rediscovering it now. Came back to the game for SL and just defaulted to what I knew was always good, baer. Now I'm changing mains to prot war and only regret is not doing it sooner. One thing I will say tho is that despite the resurgence of prot wars, I had a healer alt and I ran into so many bad prot wars. Squishy asf and awful to heal. It is an easy spec to be bad at apparently.

[uneven mason]

I mean, bur is legit the tankiest tank

but yeah, lots of bad prots

"I don't have slef healing HALP"

[chilly brook]

People have always been bad at prot

Funnily enough

[uneven mason]

Y hel wen u can 🧱

[chilly brook]

It was the same in BFA

And then when we became "meta" all of a sudden we were just so "ez"

[strong forum]

The best tank is always considered stupid easy

Very weird coinkidink

[chilly brook]

Like realistically it's not a hard tank to learn but I run into so many bad prot bois even when they were good

[strong forum]

Just clap and have 60%-110% vers 4head

[copper lava]

I will say I tanked a 10(I know low for most people) as prot at 188ilvl successfully and on baer I didn't feel comfortable doing it in a pug until like 210ilvl

So yeah baer is tanky but not until you get more gear.

[uneven mason]

end of BFA when our armor + corruption vers stacking put us at the mitigation cap, yeah Ez

[sick sentinel]

Now its easier, pugs are better geared, instances were tuned and ppl know more

[uneven mason]

"Oh you hit for 1,000,000 k, I reduce that to 1,000

[uneven mason]

your bur was broken

[copper lava]

Hadn't thought of that

Fair point

[wanton condor]

yeah, I remember tearing my hair out w1 in ToP at the final boss, now she's the easiest part of the dungeon because everyone knows what to do

[copper lava]

Btw spell reflect is bamf

And NF is bae

[sick sentinel]

and all healer´s love us for spell reflecting the scythe

[chilly brook]

NF is great

[copper lava]

I love spell reflecting the first boss in PF

[chilly brook]

Niya pumps

Korayn is bonkers

[uneven mason]

Kora

omnomnom

that crit and dmg on pull

with free revenge

and BSC

"SLAP!"

[wanton condor]

had to explain to a pug dps war that you could SR the 2nd boss in SD, run was smooth as silk after that

[mortal hinge]

So is prog viable again?

[chilly brook]

Smh

[mortal hinge]

Prot*

[chilly brook]

Again

[uneven mason]

"Again"

[chilly brook]

As if we ever stopped being viable

[uneven mason]

"V I A B L E"

[copper lava]

"Again"

[wanton condor]

prog is never viable

[mortal hinge]

So no got it

[wanton condor]

it is pain

[uneven mason]

Nope

[copper lava]

🤣

[mortal hinge]

Lol

[uneven mason]

Literally gets used in the world first - "Man prot must be shit"

[copper lava]

Na its terrible and we are all lamenting about our woes

[chilly brook]

Basically

[copper lava]

Tbh

[light thicket]

Its awful

No one play it

[copper lava]

Thats actually what qued my interest

[light thicket]

Shhhh

[mortal hinge]

Ahh DH is better got it

[copper lava]

I didn't find out they used a prot war in WF until like 2 weeks before 9.0.5

[sick sentinel]

Hey give him a break, since 16th March that nobody asked if prot was viable

i mean prog

[mortal hinge]

Wow y’all never miss type so you?

[sick sentinel]

issue was the question, not the typo

[mortal hinge]

Oh that’s right prot warriors don’t

[blissful isle]

That's not the whole story - Arms and Fury weren't great and they needed Rally / Battle shout

[mortal hinge]

Simple question just wondering what tank I want to roll. Used to play prot

[copper lava]

Lol is this guy serious?

[uneven mason]

Oof, so, Skellyy we were legit just going over how stronk prot was

[sweet summit]

can you guys stop being cringe and just help the guy instead

[sick sentinel]

Ofc we are viable

[mortal hinge]

Ahh shit I didn’t read enough then

[uneven mason]

But community generally thinks we're not that good.

[chilly brook]

That's my speciality thooooo

[uneven mason]

Hence our 🤣 reaction

[copper lava]

Cuz most of us arent tho 😪

[uneven mason]

All tanks are fairly well balanced, gear/skill is getting out of the "kite age"

so prot is looking stronger after a buff

we're still not kings of running away (VDH)

[mortal hinge]

Yea kite age isn’t fun I want to face tank 4 packs

[uneven mason]

but for raiding we've never been weak, actually the best raid tank for many situations

[sweet summit]

then bear is probably the best pick for you
bears are insane tbh

[uneven mason]

and in M+ we've never been bad execept our DPS

[elfin nova]

Prot warrior is very strong verses white swings and blockable damage and has much higher block uptime than before with reprisal legendary new in 9.0.5
Using the legendary isn't 'free' though it takes some getting used to and can be awkward to maximise

All tanks are viable

[copper lava]

Tbh baer is king of face tank. Just throwing that out there. For m+ at least

[mortal hinge]

Bear is boring I have a 216 bear

[uneven mason]

We're 2nd "tankiness"

So you might enjoy prot

we do well vs necrotic because we don't rely on self healing but instead reduce everything to near 0 with our 🛡️

so that was our joking line being at obtuse levels of stacks and still just facetanking away,.

[mortal hinge]

Well I healed a pally the other day that face tanked 50 stacks and was fine as well

[chilly brook]

I'm not viable

[uneven mason]

(he probably hit his bubble)

[mortal hinge]

Nah he would have lost Afro

Aggro*

[chilly brook]

Not if he has the talent

[copper lava]

Not with the talent

[uneven mason]

super secret squirrel Paladins have a talent that forces mobs to attack them during bubble

[mortal hinge]

Ahhh shit

[sick sentinel]

at 50 stacks he wasn´t being healed

[mortal hinge]

True or very little

[uneven mason]

50 stacks is 100% reduced healing

[copper lava]

Bubbled

[uneven mason]

Paladins are made from paper

unless they can WoG

[copper lava]

I fking hate healing a prot pld

[sweet summit]

theyre not that squishy?

[uneven mason]

me too

[uneven mason]

shut your mouth Erga!

I mean relative

[sweet summit]

[autumn pendant]

Dont you dare

[uneven mason]

to us

[chilly brook]

Good ones aren't that bad tbh

[autumn pendant]

Insult my Erga

like that

[copper lava]

They are like Dks minus the insane self heals

[chilly brook]

Nah

[uneven mason]

not that bad

DKs are papertanks

the butt puckering tanking sludge on a BDK

[chilly brook]

Definitely better than DKs lol at least in terms of damage reduction

[copper lava]

I like tk rhunk of DK as a balloon

[sweet summit]

?????

[uneven mason]

BDK tanks like those punching bags

[sweet summit]

DK is omega in raid

[uneven mason]

OH don't get me wrong

[sweet summit]

worse in high m+

[uneven mason]

I like BDK in raid

but when you're not used to a tank that takes damage

[copper lava]

Health goes in than comes out, back in, than out etc

[sweet summit]

the butt puckering tanking sludge on a BDK
?????

[uneven mason]

I went from prot to a BDK alt

so when my HP actually drops

I know when I press DS My HP will jump back up

but its that momentary "health actually going down"

[copper lava]

Yeah BDK is tanky but just a different way. Their damage is just the lowest

[strong forum]

Erga is our favourite e-girl, no bully

Need to simp

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

[chilly brook]

Erga ain't even a girl smh

[copper lava]

Penis until proven otherwise. Anyways back to prot

[uneven mason]

I don't discriminate ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

The pfp CLEARLY states otherwise

[sweet summit]

^

[chilly brook]

If our boy Rosjen was still around he'd set you straight

[strong forum]

Silly Dino

[copper lava]

So I missed this thing about second boss spell reflect move? @chilly brook

[solid cairn]

Does someone have a good plater profile? It seems like a mess to configure it ^^

[chilly brook]

Wat

[uneven mason]

?

[uneven mason]

#ui-addons-manager

[copper lava]

I need to go read the reflectable moves soreadsheet again

Spreadsheet*

[uneven mason]

think I saw something down there a while back

[light thicket]

Dont think that's an issue

[bright parrot]

is prot viable as venthyr

[chilly brook]

Yes

[bright parrot]

im kyrian and want to swap

[light thicket]

Yes

[chilly brook]

Just realize you're losing aoe

In a trade for single target

[uneven mason]

but gaingin some single target pipes

[copper lava]

Im venthyr right now for pvp this week and I hste ny life ngl

[uneven mason]

Condemn is nice

[modern brook]

@sweet summit 's old pfp def looked like some culture I've seen before tbh

[copper lava]

Already started the NF switch

Hate my life*

[bright parrot]

why this week? necrotic?

[uneven mason]

So when you're swapping back to your old covenant do you keep your current covenant crap until you turn in that 1st quest?

[sweet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/625679510548905987/728350137075630280/unknown.png

this?

[copper lava]

Na had shit luck with drops, want that hast/vers gear

[light thicket]

Fkn weebs...

[signal plover]

Erga stop posting selfies

[sweet summit]

uwu

[copper lava]

Yeah you keep everything, sanctum upgrades and any anima you stored plus renown ofc

[sick sentinel]

In general (anyone who wants to answer) what are your thought processes during a big pull? Like for example the pull before 2nd boss of SoA no spear. I feel like I'm at a mediocre skill level but my next jump in skill is going to be how I'm interpreting the game.

[modern brook]

yeah that one

[uneven mason]

No I mean, if I start the swap back to say Venthyr

will I keep my NF abilities until I turn in that first "forgive me quest"

or do I go a week without a covenant

[modern brook]

you keep them until you hand in the one that chagnes covs

[distant crystal]

i think you keep

[copper lava]

Yes

[modern brook]

speaking from experience

[copper lava]

You keep the abilities until you turn in the quest but do not have the venthyr ones

[uneven mason]

Oh ok

I've been holding off

because I don't wanna be without a covenant for a week

[chilly brook]

Weeb

[uneven mason]

and its ass'O'Clock by the time monday night progression ends

[modern brook]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

nice

[marsh aurora]

I feel like war has a huge learning curve i can't remember all the reflectable spells aaah

[light thicket]

"don't forget to face them away from the group you moron"

Thats basically my opening thought with all pulls

[modern brook]

UNGA BUNGA

but a good tank would think:

[light thicket]

Usually followed by "why the fuck would i bind victory rush all the way down on 6?!"

[modern brook]

1. positionng 2) mitigation 3) cc 4) CDs when?

5. REVENGE

More accurately: You should not be entering BIG pulls without knowing exactly how it will go

Casts are on timers, auto attacks wont kill you unless you're not atyour keyboard so you need to know when to pop cds and what needs to be stunned/kicked

as always; tanking, especially on prot, is 90% homework

[sick sentinel]

holy fuck that guess tho haha! 194 😛

[modern brook]

there are very few things in keys that requires the tank to react in significant ways outside of other members of the group failing somersetting

[sick sentinel]

My brain just might not be big enough

[modern brook]

nah its like math right

everyone says "I'm bad at math, i dont get math"

but they just straight dont try to learn it

[light thicket]

Its just practice

[modern brook]

same deal here

U just gotta put in the leg work

[light thicket]

Ypu charge and pray and wipe 5 times

By number 6 instead of charging

You stop and think

[digital nova]

having a consistent group helps with getting fights right without dying from pug pressure

[light thicket]

What am i using wrong?

[uneven mason]

Rogue - this is why we wipe.

[sick sentinel]

I started logging to track my block %. But idk, I think about getting tot he point where I'm calling kicks and calling for stuns instead of letting them think on their own and overlapping. Just seems overwhelming. Just need practice I guess

[uneven mason]

He should be like "WHAT DO I KICK NEXT!!!" instead he's like "man, my butthole itches, hope I don't have bumworms"

[modern brook]

So like

I find this alot in tanks

[agile aurora]

do necrotic stacks reduce the healing of the heart of a'lar proc? :)

[modern brook]

where they think they need to raid lead

But frankly

Theres 0 reason for you to be taking on the onus of your dps playing the game

[hollow silo]

Yes

[agile aurora]

tyty

[modern brook]

To do progression keys your whole group needs to be on the same page about PUSHING

if you're dps arent calling "ok I have next fist"

and are instead saying

"well my tank didnt tell me to kick"

they're gunna be hardstuck at maybe 18s

[uneven mason]

Yes, but the 2 times I had it go off the explosion was legit enough to kill the remaining mobs and so dropping combat cleared my stacks

[modern brook]

its a mentality problem on their end

[hollow silo]

I have to tell my dps when to kick or they don't do it

[modern brook]

Not a macro issue on yours

[hollow silo]

[modern brook]

yeah

You have braindead monkey assed dps

most people do

[sick sentinel]

I get what you're saying

[modern brook]

because they dont do keys with me :^)

[uneven mason]

The brain of 99% Of DPS in pugs

[sweet summit]

👋

big fan

[noble nacelle]

Is the venthyr conduit good at all for mitigation in M+ or not worth it

[modern brook]

no

[sweet summit]

its very bad

[noble nacelle]

ok

[modern brook]

you dont want to be condemning in aoe anyways

if you're ven u just bitch about having to use show of force