red means you cant interrupt right
#protection
autumn ingot
timber lagoon
You can reflect interruptible spells
remote tusk
Not all.
timber lagoon
Some anyway
remote tusk
ionic fern
Jep, Reaping Scythe reflect feels good.
remote tusk
By Marok, not sure if it up to date.
Not sure why it's not pinned in #ui-addons-manager
ionic fern
Cause it's pinned in the #268491842637660160
hot oxide
https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker
so any spell that is being cast, it checks to see if it can be SR? if not it won't alert?
ionic fern
Well, mentioned there under PRot section
remote tusk
Should be in both 😛
ionic fern
No point.
remote tusk
There is.
languid flower
you guys are going to make me download weakauras, aren't you?
timber lagoon
Yes
languid flower
I've been holdin' out for strongauras...
timber lagoon
hot oxide
i broke down and got it
distant crystal
you know weakauras is a fork of an old ass addon
called powerauras
but dbm is a dead meme it's all about BigWigs
autumn ingot
https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker
is this an addon?
sweet summit
thats a weak aura
autumn ingot
okay
autumn ingot
what does it do
autumn ingot
oh I do? I have everything on and I dont even know how everything works lmao
remote tusk
Just type /wa and see if it comes up.
languid flower
aww, so the reflection tracker doesn't have a way of notifying you that you got hit by a spell you could have reflected (instant cast spells, I'm lookin' at you)
remote tusk
Honestly, I know that I have them installed but I never look at them 😦
mighty valley
@autumn ingot honestly, my biggest takeaway from watching this is that you should just focus on always hitting buttons, there are a lotta gaps where you're just not hitting anything at all. but that just comes with practice. also stop hitting whirlwind and hamstring lol
remote tusk
Just remove Whirlwind from your bars.
It should've been replaced with Revenge if you specced into Protection imho.
mighty valley
some of the spells they made baseline with shadowlands just feel like intentional traps
weird choices
wanton condor
the only possible usecase for whirlwind is if you need to hit behind you for some reason
remote tusk
For those 0.5s cases where you have to look away from a boss to negate a fear or sanity loss, you are better off using a Thunder clap.
hazy sparrow
Just remember. someone, somewhere, uses slam as prot
remote tusk
You lose that one.
hot oxide
wait, dbm got replaced for bigwigs?
mighty valley
i'm still on dbm? think it's just personal taste
granite atlas
Hey guys Im kinda new to prot, is ignore pain supposed to feel this.... meh?
remote tusk
Yes.
hazy sparrow
Shield block brother
wise adder
Just remember. someone, somewhere, uses slam as prot
slam turns into revenge, you can't even press the button as prot
amber herald
it's for buffering between your better spells
and occasionally stacking for a large hit
...and to help with magic dmg
or if you're rage capped
hazy sparrow
amber herald
but it's our bottom priority defensive
mighty valley
was IP busted in legion or something? everyone who doesn't play warrior seems to think it's huuuuuuuuuuge
amber herald
when I first played warrior I assumed IP was better because it worked against all types of damage
hazy sparrow
It used to increase dmg by 10%
amber herald
and that shield block was some niche thing for specific mobs
hazy sparrow
With a talent in legion
rare kraken
IP was incredibly strong early Legion I think
😄
Ignore Pain also used to have a variable rage cost
granite atlas
I get that ignore pain is just the rage dump
granite atlas
But compared to my guardian the dumping doesnt feel great 😄
autumn ingot
I normally run with this https://www.wowhead.com/item=184023/gluttonous-spike?bonus=6805
but do yiou guys think that kyb is a much better choice i mean it adds an additional health stats +20
stamina
hazy sparrow
Yeah ip is quite bland, still good to smooth magic dmg
autumn ingot
what do you guys think? should I replace my 213 gluttonous spike for a level 40 trinket that has extra stamina on it
granite atlas
I love demoralizing shout tho, really smoothes out the pull till you get rage
hazy sparrow
Damn wouldn't the "bladed bulwark" anima power be awesome as a lego
rare kraken
The biggest demonstration of IP being batshit OP was tanking the spider boss in EN with ridiculous stacks or something
Bladed Bulwark would be fucking crazy
50% chance to get 50% reduced damage on your main rage dump? christ
hazy sparrow
I KNOW 
strong forum
@jagged pier im sad
hazy sparrow
Dude it only costs 20 rage holyyy
jagged pier
<@!179993058186625025> im sad
F
hazy sparrow
Oww
rare kraken
There was also this
jagged pier
Havent been back since it was nerfed so cant scam logs yet :(
Gratz on kill though now you can knock me down to 4th on slydge @strong forum
strong forum
im not even happy about this kill man
cuz i know its 80% my fault
that it took this long
strong forum
legion IP was our main mitigation
SB was only for "AM checks"
mechanics that did 4x more dmg if you didnt have AM up
just for the sake of not having it up
strong forum
legs
paper wedge
oh, thanks!
sick sentinel
talked with a group of other tanks, they said warriors and dks are probaly the hardest to get KSM with, is that true? I thought with the new warrior buffs, they were quite close to the others?
surreal sinew
think because of perception it's easier to get invited as dh/brm/guardian, prot is strong though
and yeah pally gets owned
mighty valley
yep, they're all totally fine to actually do the dungeons at 15, but if you're exclusively pugging you'll get there faster on a tank with better public perception lol
rare kraken
I miss the Legion tanking model when there was more emphasis on using your cds correctly and cycling AM
Rather than this weird amalgamation of AM/threat
Indomitable used to be lit
BV was also stronger
Vengeance was a pretty decent talent too though because you could use revenges for free damage rather than threat, and you got way more free revenge procs which reduced ignore pain's rage cost which went up to 60% back then so the talent was much more valuable
wanton condor
legion was fun as hell but idk if the tanking model really worked, it often because slap on giant slows and walk the pack of 100 mobs in a circle
or like in BRH's case, run down the hallway and back again if needed
I did BDK in those days though
rare kraken
The tanking model worked, the trash just had no mechanics so you could just run them around lol
also
Give me back Warbringer Blizzard
wanton condor
I mean, I'm including said mechs in the tanking mechanics
legion dungeons were fun as hell but also kind of simple mechs wise (way more fun routing though)
rare kraken
Tanking model was great, tanking overall was piss easy due to how easily you could cheese dungeons
Yeah a lot of the dungeons were open so you could get creative
Legion M+ in general felt way more fun because the dungeons weren't designed for M+ so they weren't super linear and you could swap around gear sets/talents
wanton condor
I feel like non-linear dungeons with lots of routes is perfect for m+
as it gives you choices
misty charm
Guys what are the go to talents with Reprisal?
wanton condor
like the first area of HoA is cool!
wanton condor
Guys what are the go to talents with Reprisal?
only difference is you can run BSC and AM more easily
also double time gains value
misty charm
so 3111231?
wanton condor
I still run storm bolt on some dungeons
sick sentinel
Lol they touch pally?
pally is legit the only tanking class i won't touch 😛 But i am nervous about aiming for KSM, because of perception
wanton condor
and will run bolster on certain weeks if I want to pull real big as the 2min cd is nifty
misty charm
i see, what about ravager vs into the fray?
wanton condor
ravager for m+
rare kraken
Ravager for M+
wanton condor
ravager -> charge to open
misty charm
kk
rare kraken
@wanton condor Yeah, optimal routes or no, we should have the option to make our own routes rather than going through the single-track rollercoaster that is most of the SL dungeons
I hope the broker market gives us room for creativity
wanton condor
I'm weird in that my favorite dungeon in legion was basically a long hallway (BRH) but I still appreciate big open routing decisions
misty charm
Also my IP tracker for some reason doesnt show time left anymore, can anyone link me a working one?
wanton condor
like plaguefall you can yolo new routes on the fly if someone buttpulls
rare kraken
to be fair, BRH had a dope atmosphere
strong forum
BRH was my favourite cuz its 4 OMEGA pulls
rare kraken
Plaguefall is kinda neat in that you can do some cool gigapulls around the barrels/plagueborers
chilly brook
pally is legit the only tanking class i won't touch 😛 But i am nervous about ai...
No need to be, its not that difficult to do
strong forum
not this bullshit 5-8 mob boring sleepfest
rare kraken
Funny enough Plaguefall has become my favourite dungeon recently because of that + I've been playing a Necrolord Ele Shaman lately so having a 25% haste buff throughout half the dungeon is neato
strong forum
more often then not its less than 5
chilly brook
not this bullshit 5-8 mob boring sleepfest
Let's not forget every mob not having 4 things that need to kicked
strong forum
rare kraken
@strong forum I've seen a lot of posts/comments talking about how doing omega pulls and annihilating them isn't fun and I'm just like 🤔
chilly brook
<@!192743144276623360> I've seen a lot of posts/comments talking about how doing...
That's because the posts are from people who dont care about m+
rare kraken
Nah I wanna go BRD :((((
chilly brook
Or never did it at a serious level
remote tusk
Man why does DH have like one button, my bars feel so empty.
rare kraken
I wanna spend 4 hours in the dungeon and discuss polys on every pack :(((
strong forum
"i like having to tryhard 30 CCs per pack and coordinate every single interrupt"
fuck off
chilly brook
Man why does DH have like one button, my bars feel so empty.
Gotta make it easy for baby brains
chilly brook
"i like having to tryhard 30 CCs per pack and coordinate every single interrupt"
Basically explains m+ rn lol
strong forum
its so bad
rare kraken
Nah bro M+ isn't s t r a t e g i c
I miss crawling through every pack CaReFulLy and CooRdInaTiNg Cc
rare kraken
I fucking hate those people
rare kraken
Yeah dude I want dungeons to be a slogfest
chilly brook
My fucking left arm
rare kraken
wtf did you do lol
strong forum
fapped too hard
chilly brook
Chest/triceps
rare kraken
yeah that'll hurt ya if you overdo it
sick sentinel
No need to be, its not that difficult to do
I did hear tho that prot pally had the biggest carry potential!
rare kraken
Legit as someone who's main form of content is M+, BFA was significantly more fun than SL
So much more rewarding and you could do some neat stuff
strong forum
Same tbh
I only played m+ in s4, didn't raid cuz you didn't need to for gear
And it was much more enjoyable to play the game
rare kraken
Meme beam/Vision of Perfection/3x Bastion of Might and 3x deafening crash/Anima of Life and Death/Twilight Dev
Good days
strong forum
Not good days, but better days
chilly brook
I did hear tho that prot pally had the biggest carry potential!
My ass they do lmao
rare kraken
I fucking loved Anima of Life and Death even though I'm pretty sure Vision was better
Prot Pally has a lot of fuckup coverage
remote tusk
😗
rare kraken
Spellwarding/Protection, big heals with WoG, poison/disease cleanse, sacrifice, LoH, highest tank damage I think
Problem is they're made of fucking paper
chilly brook
Just bring ret
remote tusk
Pally leveling is a breeze
chilly brook
You get 3/4s the utility and you actually get to do your job without having to peace out in 3 seconds
misty charm
https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker anyone knows how to fix that IP tracker so it tracks the time left again?
rare kraken
oh yeah aoe silence every minute
yeah bringing Ret is a better option than bringing Prot
I absolutely adore my ret pally but that may or may not be due to my own customisations
Namely my divine storm sounding god tier which makes m+ extremely fun
balmy coral
I got a 203 decanter, seems to vastly out damage 213 glutt (for mythic+)
sick sentinel
Only thing that makes me nervous about switching main from guardian to prot warrior, is how weak they are against magical damage, and there is so much of it in sl 😦
rare kraken
actually for m+ that makes sense
lol if you're playing guardian don't switch
they hella strong
Guardian doesn't really have tools to deal with magic damage beyond their fat health pool do they>?
balmy coral
It seems like glutt is garbage for every spec out there I am gonna bank it IMO
strong forum
Also barkin/survival instincts
chilly brook
I absolutely adore my ret pally but that may or may not be due to my own customi...
Bro ret legit is fun af rn especially running the Kyrian build
1m burst machine
balmy coral
The red splash thing?
When is GLutt useful for prot?
sweet summit
final reckoning?
chilly brook
final reckoning?
Yea that thing
rare kraken
When did I say Glutt's useful for prot
Or are you just asking me flat out
Because I don't know the answer to that
@chilly brook Final Reckoning looks and sounds amazing, absolutely love it
Does bonkers damage and it's uncapped
sick sentinel
lol if you're playing guardian don't switch
haha guess i just got a bit burned out, from only playing my druid since release 😛 Also 13-15 key range is killing me atm
rare kraken
How come?
balmy coral
When did I say Glutt's useful for prot
Many people said it did good aoe damaghe
sweet summit
it does
are you looking at both parts
it has two damage components
thats split on details
balmy coral
33Combined it does about 3% of my damage
rare kraken
yeah i think he's conflicted because apparently his decanter sims higher
sick sentinel
How come?
I can only pug, i don't have any friends who play 😛 So it's such a hit and miss if you get people who leave, or if someone ass pull, and ruins the route etc :/
potent anvil
It's time 👀
trim bay
hey guys, how much would not having the correct conduits effect us? wasnt paying attention and switched to arms to many times yesterday. Should i just not tank till i have enough energy to have prot ones not arms.
rare kraken
ayo
trim bay
24 hours is such a reasonable cool down as well
rare kraken
Doesn't Prot have super mediocre conduits lol
sick sentinel
Guys, 75% is good or still can improve?
sweet summit
mouseover "hits"
rare kraken
How are people switching conduits down to the limit? I never go over half of it lol
sick sentinel
The biggest affix
yup, first time i got my social anxiety to a level where i can try to push, but stuck on 14's atm haha
trim bay
im soft in the head
sweet summit
and look at "blocked hits"
sick sentinel
only two 15 done
balmy coral
Swap covenants
sick sentinel
64,92%
sweet summit
a bit on the low side 
sick sentinel
dam still need practise those charges miidle pack
this from analizer, but analizer calculate form whole dung time not only active combat time
outer solstice
guys, I just checked bloodmallet after a logn wile again, anyonw knows why Niya is now below ventyr soulbinds?
did it change because of the aura buff which reduces burrs amount? or did they change the profile for it?
strong forum
Cuz of updated conduits I reckon
strong forum
Unnerving will and show of force didn't work up until a few days ago in sims
outer solstice
on yeah and on top the 10% aura buff
balmy coral
mouseover "hits"
I have 2 glutt spikes, where is the blocked hits one?
sweet summit
i was replying to Dastrol
outer solstice
oh well 3 effects, the "active effect" the "lifesteal effect" and the "damage instead of lifesteal effect"
@strong forum oh well it seems bloodmallet sims are ignoring UF anyway, weird
outer solstice
I guess they just support potency conduits rn
sick sentinel
Haven't even done a 15
welp gonna try to a 15 sd now, on the guardian druid let's see how it goes
rare kraken
woof
strong forum
Sd15 necrotic
rare kraken
good luck
chilly brook
welp gonna try to a 15 sd now, on the guardian druid let's see how it goes
So heres my tip, put your key up, take your time filling the group. Hell even go a step further and look up their logs.
rare kraken
necrotic tyrannical
strong forum
Brave soul
chilly brook
SD isn't that bad on necrotic
strong forum
chilly brook
I should know
strong forum
Gauntlet is terrible, wdym
chilly brook
Bro it's not that bad
chilly brook
Just be a Nightfae
sick sentinel
😦
strong forum
Idk never done it on necrotic
chilly brook
Ezclap
strong forum
vocal bison
15 necrotic slaps on gauntlet, only saving grace is I’m kyrian so I get a get out of jail free card when it gets too bad
chilly brook
Everything in the gauntlet should die pretty fast since tyrannical
rare kraken
Yeah it's just the gauntlet that's bad on necrotic, but most of the mobs are non elites
yeah
the only mobs that are elites in that hallway are the ones that aren't part of the gauntlet
vocal bison
what is hard is just the constantly spawning packs that make it hard to reset stacks, not necessarily the trash itself
chilly brook
Especially now that they buffed the lanterns
sick sentinel
the bears dont give stacks
chilly brook
Pretty ez
sick sentinel
the gargon spawns i mean
rare kraken
yeah the "constantly spawning packs", aka the pair of gargons, don't apply necrotic
so you can reset the stacks by just waiting it out between packs
strong forum
Oh right
vocal bison
Hm, have never noticed, just assumed they did and would run, stun/pot, will try it out this week
strong forum
They changed that
vocal bison
swear they did at one point
chilly brook
Gauntlet really is a non issue on necrotic/tyr
Only thing that might suck is getting away from kaal
If you absolutely need to drop stacks
But treants
rare kraken
They did at one point, they removed it in the first round of SD nerfs
vocal bison
I feel like I’ve become so dependent on running with a boomkin this patch, not that I need it but just makes life ez
vocal bison
They did at one point, they removed it in the first round of SD nerfs
Ok, glad to know I’m not going crazy
I love running boomkin/mage/dk, or boomkin/mage/DH
rare kraken
How do you look at how rage was spent in logs?
rare kraken
What am I looking at?
strong forum
Top-right
sweet summit
select yourself maybe 👀
strong forum
Oh yeah, and that
sweet summit
what are those queries for
rare kraken
Is this it? still doesn't show me usage
sweet summit
and sb*
strong forum
Well yeah but that's kinda omega obv
sweet summit
execute 
etc
sweet summit
but yeah, i dont know of any other places than casts tbh
strong forum
What matters is, you wasted quite a bit of rage
Especially from spear
272 rage overcapped from spear alone is alot
rare kraken
These aren't my logs 😛
amber herald
does phial of putrefaction only apply to the target I'm attacking?
mighty valley
I would've thought yeah but this wowhead comment suggests otherwise?
amber herald
I just realised I can go hit the aoe target dummies and find out myself
amber herald
it does seem to
but it didn't wait for 3 stacks for me
and the 3 stacks appeared on the mob I wasn't targetting
mighty valley
???
amber herald
it spreads onto targets you aren't targetting
but in the post it said it needed to be on 3 stacks before it spread to other targets, which didn't happen for me
it just appeared on all targets I was hitting at random
mighty valley
I guess that's... fine... not great if you have a prio target
turbid cargo
from what I've seen, it just adds a stack to whichever target gets hit by a valid combat event first following the 5-sec timeout
skipping over any target that already has 3
amber herald
ah that would make sense
turbid cargo
regardless, overall the trinket is really, really good. I love mine and it's just a rinky un-upgradeable 207 one haha
amber herald
I got lucky, the ret pala traded me a 207 one after we didn't even time the key
upgraded it to 220 and it's beating all my other trinkets in sims for damage
can't wait to test it out in dungeons now
rare kraken
@sweet summit@strong forum so just look at these casts and see how much I'm spending on revenge vs IP and stuff?
oh wow when I look at it like that
that's way too much revenge vs IP christ
mighty valley
there's no such thing as too much revenge if you're not dying
rare kraken
which the guy I'm looking at is
mighty valley
oh lmao
sweet summit
casts
rare kraken
He complains about feeling like paper
and I find out he's got 66 ignore pain casts through a 46 minute dungeon
not to mention this
sweet summit
this is my casts in a 19 halls
mighty valley
ok that's the real problem
rare kraken
Where do you see all the casts?
sweet summit
the tab called casts
sweet summit
hover over here to see blocked hits
rare kraken
yeah found the blocked hits
rare kraken
Spear/Ravager have the same cd right? So they should always be used together?
@amber herald Enemies can't hurt you if they're dead 😎
rare kraken
Probably shouldn't be 10 whole casts of spear over ravager tho
undone verge
I think spear is a minute 15 but It might just feel longer
rare kraken
Nah spear's definitely a minute
sweet summit
AA is a minute 15 with the conduit
amber herald
spear is 1minute
sweet summit
first pillar on sludge is 55 sec into the fight
sweet summit
Probably shouldn't be 10 whole casts of spear over ravager tho
they should be same, or with ravager like 2-3 casts higher i guess
cerulean tree
Any big boys with exp on mythic stone legion
cerulean tree
was wondering if intervene can transfer the damage of ravenous feast of the target to me
sweet summit
ya it will
vestal moat
It's the first tick the feast though that will kill the victim. u gotta be fast
sick sentinel
gratz!
Thank you! Missing dos, top pf and mist now, and spires 😦
Gauntlet and third boss was a pain tho...
Had 30 stacks in gauntlet and was told to drop them, but no dps cc’ed the mobs hahah
steep condor
Guys - I want to find the tank that i enjoy playing the most but i'm also not the most skilled player. Is Prot Warrior much harder than Brewmaster to play in keys?
(have tried druid and vdh so far - didnt enjoy either THAT much.. want to try prot warrior and brewmaster next)
rare kraken
@sick sentinel wdym dude it's 100% your responsibility to drop stacks imagine using your cc as a dps to help the tank tf
heavy locust
I enjoy the prot warrior kit. Every move seems like it does something.
empty spindle
Brewmaster I think is the worst tank atm
heavy locust
Monk seems like a lot of weak dots. Just meh. And their stagger has a weird feel
steep condor
Brewmaster I think is the worst tank atm
not so worried about 'at the moment' since im looking for a long term project
fair tulip
Guys - I want to find the tank that i enjoy playing the most but i'm also not th...
id say brewmaster is harder to play than warrior
steep condor
ok. that plus the fact that i want to run around with a big f off shield is pretty solid push towards warrior then 🙂
thx.
i'll go read guides etc. Should i use IV or Wowhead? Varies class to class
im venthyr - guessing i'll need to switch covenants /sigh
fair tulip
if u have like 0 idea on how to play warrior check a guide, if not go to subcreation m+ and see what other people are running
steep condor
yah i been on there and most are kyrian but it's not as biased as on some other classes
its like 46% kyrian and 21% nf and 18% venth.. so not liek TOTALLY biased
hexed atlas
Is bounding stride viable this week over crackle, just getting back into prot warwar (main VDH), ran it by mistake and not sure I would want to give up GtFO option every 30 seconds (over default 45).
Tend to play in rough end of pugs helping out guild dps
fair tulip
id say venthyr is the worst for keys, cuz condem will make u rage starving for your ignore pain and block
steep condor
i dont mind changing. which is the BEST for keys? Kyrian i guess.
steep condor
thx
torn stump
@hexed atlas crackle gives you a lot more wiggle room to kite after you've used your leap charge
the 70% runspeed for 3s wont help you that much if mobs are still chasing you at full speed
lavish field
hey how many crit i need as prot war?
mighty valley
any is fine, not a high prio stat
lavish field
any soft cap?
mighty valley
there are diminishing returns on all stats but they're so high you don't need to worry about them in current gear
hexed atlas
<@!379014357088075777> crackle gives you a lot more wiggle room to kite after yo...
Thanks I figured it was likely to be an accidental crutch rather than any good.
steep condor
i guess the pvp shield would be a good starter shield to use for a first time prot warrior?
i mean. its a shield at least lol
timber nest
mighty valley
i guess the pvp shield would be a good starter shield to use for a first time pr...
yeah you just want the highest ilvl shield you can get easily, pvp shield is fine
eventually want a haste shield but at first just want ilvl
steep condor
yah
god. not looking forward to donig covenant campaign again...
since i pug i will go kyrian
hate their tmog 🙂
rare kraken
lol only covenant armor I've seen consistently used is necrolord plate
steep condor
i like the venthyr one 🙂
using it on my warrior right now. will be sad to see it go
looks nice on undead warrior
hexed atlas
The basic kyrian campaign set is ugly AF, but in the more muted colours it’s mildly more acceptable.
steep condor
it's all very paladin to my eye..
stable kernel
i like the kyrian set minus shoulder/helm
if the shoulder / helm were diff
would be a bit better imo
wanton condor
I like the kyrian set as a bit smokestack set but it doesn't work if you have any sort of hunch
not even a slight upright orc hunch
steep condor
won't it gimp me?
stable kernel
my warr is necro atm cus i accepted last quest by accident while doing the change back quest
steep condor
i mean.. im pretty bad at wow in general. I need all t he help i can get 🙂
stable kernel
so i got necro armor on
mighty valley
eh, the number one warrior in the world was venthyr for a long time lol
it's not the easiest but covenant isn't what makes the biggest difference
wanton condor
if you're raiding venthyr is more than fine
stable kernel
u can play any spec and be fine
wanton condor
if you're not doing high keys it's also fine
if you're doing high keys it's a bit harder
stable kernel
like higher then 20s
wanton condor
bit still doable
steep condor
yah i can always change if i ever get to that point (i wont ever even get close)
stable kernel
20 and below u can be vent
steep condor
ok phew thx
and just stack ilvl then haste/vers i guess. i really should read the guide :()
lavish field
how much hast ? ^^
steep condor
reprisal on legs i guess. turns out i already have it! and enough soul ash to make a rank 1 lego 🙂
stable kernel
i think legs is best because it is also more future proof friendly
steep condor
oh so does the discord prefer icy veins or wowhead?
cos if i dont go there now im gonna annoy the ass out of you guys with many dumb questions 🙂
steep condor
ok cool
signal plover
Llarold is around as well but he doesn't usually chime in
steep condor
ah so im sure they are both fine in that case..
signal plover
atm IV is a bit more accurate than WH
steep condor
some specs will proactively tell you not to use one source or the other.
ok great. appreciate that 🙂
wanton condor
class bug fixes are in, no VDH changes, looks like it's sticking for the time being
mighty valley
i think they'll let it ride til 9.1
rare kraken
I mean i'm pretty sure they don't want to give big nerfs to the outliers until 9.1
wanton condor
yup
rare kraken
gonna be unfortunate if they give vdh the bdk treatment even though this is the first tier in their existence where they're massively dominant
vocal bison
I feel like they were super stronk at the end of bfa too but were just overshadowed by warriors. Weren’t geared ones soloing +15’s at the end? Albeit not timing.
hot oxide
They might get nerfed under pallys
rare kraken
VDH being strong in BFA was more because of essences/corruption
VoP was hot shit
and they also had the gluttony talent
so that + VoP + getting buffered by essences + being able to abuse the fuck out of twilight dev due to ridiculous meta uptime
was the reason for them being strong in 8.3
vocal bison
I have a VDH alt just for rbgs so I can make people nerd rage, they are pretty meta in rbgs right now. Damn near unkillable.
rare kraken
I don't remember a time where VDH wasn't unkillable in RBGs lol
also, despite all that VDH could not compete in damage with a prot warrior without stacking twilight dev
vocal bison
maybe this is just me noticing for the first time since this is the first season I’ve really pushed, but like it’s not even close, kinda bears for spin games but other than that
rare kraken
While having similar defensive capability
Actually I'd argue they had worse defensive capability, they were just propped up by self healing and their only mitigation was demon spikes
still is
@vocal bison first time noticing VDHs are damn near unkillable?
vocal bison
Past 2100 it’s 90% DH, then random bears and guardian affinity boomkins
vocal bison
<@!620764626984108083> first time noticing VDHs are damn near unkillable?
Pretty much
rare kraken
Massive mobility, burst, big health pool, great utility with sigils, and nice self sustain
Wait
They know that VDH is taking less magic damage than intended
and it's not part of the bug fix list? wtf lol
vocal bison
lol yea...
wanton condor
nah, I don't think they want to make anything that big of a chance, I suspect they feel kind of burnt on the mm/ww fixes
rare kraken
tf you mean burnt
It's their job, and it's their fault they didn't compensate them for the loss in damage initially
vocal bison
I still don’t get that
Hey we’re going to fix a bug that causes extra damage
Oh shit they lost dps when we fixed it
No one saw that coming
rare kraken
I mean it's less "oh shit they lost dps when we fixed it" and more "oh no they lost dps if only we saw this coming and had a buff to compensate for it in advance"
Like how the fuck you gonna "bugfix" WW, leave all the negative bugs in, and not compensate them for bugs that have been a part of their rotation since WoD
or "bugfix" the interaction with wild spirits and not think it's going to severely affect their burst
vocal bison
I mean I despise WW mostly because I pvp as arms and they are about as annoying as affliction warlocks, but I did feel a tiny bit bad about this one.
ocean bloom
for mythic SLG do you run bolster or AM? im gonna be tanking adds mostly i think, also wall or reprisal?
woven trellis
whats ur ST priority to do damage in prot
when u doing m+ tyranical bosses like
Execute > Shield slam > free revenge > thunder clap > revenge?
mighty valley
something like that... moves around a little depending on rage income
if i'm drowning i'll bump revenge above tclap even if it's not free
sometimes you can't afford to be slamming execute
usually shield slam is higher prio just because execute/condemn is limited by rage more than gcds, where you wanna get shield slam on cd as much as possible
mighty valley
not sure who fem is, might be living in the past
steep condor
i know you would normally stick reprisal on legs but i happen to have 226 legs (rest of my gear is 190ish).. would it be ok to put it on feet?
mighty valley
it's fine, probably slightly worse long-term but not an enormous difference
steep condor
k thx
fringe marten
LOL damn you jakey..I think you got me by like 80 or 100 dps on sludge 😛
we finally got it
First pull tonight; almost kill..second pull..2% ....25 pulls later a kill..? WHAT? lol
I was at 3.8 and change, can't see the exact number on details atm; not sure when it'll upload to WClogs.
languid flower
Now introducing: Warcraft branded clogs!
languid flower
for mythic SLG do you run bolster or AM? im gonna be tanking adds mostly i think...
My guess is the wall, but I haven't seen the fight on mythic. If there's a boatload of moving and dashing you can do, maybe reprisal. From my heroic experience though, that fight can get messy and I want SW up more.
fringe marten
DUnno..gonna' find out next week LOL
signal plover
I'm progging it with reprisal/AM atm and it's a lot of fun.
May end up being a bit tricky in the final burn phase but I've got externals there if needed.
sweet summit
can you charge off roar as a tank on sludge
shut summit
yea it doesnt end up being too bad in last phase, def worth it overall
ocean bloom
yeah im tanking adds so i can move a bit more and im gonna be interveneing the butt fuck
shut summit
ya erga
sweet summit
epic
signal plover
Especially now with the reduced range
shut summit
have to try pretty hard to fuckup chain now
unique shale
guys is that normal that off tank losing aggro to me ?
mighty valley
what class?
unique shale
DH
mighty valley
hmm little weird
sometimes i get aggro when i'm ot on the pull by blowing everything and Condemning lol
mighty valley
it shouldn't happen unless your cooldowns are out of sync
they might not be blasting on the pull
unique shale
hit condemn for 10k and boom i got aggro
sonic tangle
I'm always ripping aggro off my cotank, sometimes I just sit there not pressing anything for 5 seconds til the bars are purple again
unique shale
brave adder
which is better for tanking NF or Kyrian?
amber siren
brave adder
ic thank you
lusty marsh
KT is mean, progging cloak of flames stinks.
wanton condor
I feel like he's the first place which really shows who doesn't know wtf they're doing
just stick your details to show damage to shields and cry
lusty marsh
dang my holy pally beat me on shield damage somehow
sweet summit
do you shattering throw?
lusty marsh
I'm so dumb
sweet summit
😉
lusty marsh
my raid lead doesn't want our fury war to shatter
thinks the cast time costs too much damage
empty spindle
For my Kyrian fellow tanks
What soulbind path have you gone ? I’m trying the 3 endurance and 1 potency slot path way
sweet summit
most people go 2p 2e pelagos i think
remote hawk
sweet summit
o true
empty spindle
Aye ???
sweet summit
kleia kinda owns
empty spindle
Out of FBV and brutal vitality which one is better ?
cinder nova
I'm always ripping aggro off my cotank, sometimes I just sit there not pressing ...
I forced my cotank to figure out how to DPS while tanking because I got tired of that shit.
Genuinely don't understand the full defense mentality.
sweet summit
depends on how often you use IP
honestly id go this over 3e
safeguard is also fine over Inspiring Presence
sweet summit
can't relate
cinder nova
Neither can I
But I knew it at one point
Before switching to PUMPER COVENANT
haha burrs go brrrrr
Erga, I feel like I don't slap Ravager enough in M+.
How much of my % on an overall do you think it should be?
torn stump
time wasted clearing stacks is time you dont spend condemning
sweet summit
8-9%
lusty marsh
wait, are you guys venthyr tanking?
cinder nova
I'm NF
sweet summit
on ST or?
cinder nova
Overall.
cinder nova
I just finished a +16 SoA and this is what my overall was for the key.
sweet summit
8% ravager and 8.5% TC
cinder nova
torn stump
i mostly pvp, im only trying to push ksm so i can get more haste vers items for slots that dont have it on pvp gear
sweet summit
oh i was necro in that log
cinder nova
Could it be I'm hitting Revenge too much? 🤔
sweet summit
and AA obv pushes it down
cinder nova
So hard.
sweet summit
but still
cinder nova
Does it look like I'm not pushing Ravager at the right time/enough? I'm thinking I should probably lead with it and AA
Maybe Rav > Charge > Revenge > AA
sweet summit
i always open with ravager before charge whenever possible
wanton condor
yeah, it's super nice on pulls because it takes a tick to do damage
cinder nova
Eh? Even with AM?
cinder nova
I go Reprisal / AM
lusty marsh
We've got success, convinced my fury war to shatter anyways.
cinder nova
Gotta get that 📈 damage
sweet summit
good
cinder nova
Shatter?
sweet summit
shatter is up for 1st and 4th shield
cinder nova
Like... throw?
sweet summit
aye
cinder nova
For what? Hakkar?
lusty marsh
KT cloak
lusty marsh
His hits for 21k
sweet summit
YGUE stonks
lusty marsh
1.5s cast
sweet summit
pre-cast it!
cinder nova
Oh fr a precast would be good.
cinder nova
I guess. I had to beat my fury warriors into submission to use SR on price.
cinder nova
Yeah
I had to tell them it's a literal DPS increase
If you aren't you're fucking us
sweet summit
doesnt show up on logs tho afaik
sweet summit
details does
cinder nova
Dunno if it makes it to the WCL
sweet summit
but not logs
cinder nova
What matters to me until then is the big question: Is the boss' HP at 0 yet?
Think the next KSM mount will be any good?
S1 mount looks kinda shit
cinder nova
Do they historically just reskin the KSM mounts each season?
Or do they pop a new one
Oh yea dude the dragon thing
That shit looks fierce
sweet summit
aye
idk i can only remember two ksm mounts
season 4 bfa and season 1 sl
and the bfa one was just a reskin
wanton condor
wasn't s4 the first one?
cinder nova
Think they'll try to do one every season?
I can't see that being too sustainable without a lot of reused assets.
wanton condor
I would be surprised if they didn't?
cinder nova
So long as Acti doesn't somehow deepthroat the barrel of their own gun
wanton condor
and it's a single mount
cinder nova
They have a proclivity for blowing their own financial brains out by running IPs into the ground
wanton condor
which probably drives a lot of gametime
cinder nova
You know what the dream would be?
Activision somehow makes WoW no longer profitable and it closes the game up; Blizzard shutters.
Dreamhaven walks through the carnage and buys up the IP, putting it back into the OG hands.
wanton condor
sadly they have no money so we get the real small indie team experience
you thought it was bad before
cinder nova
Bro, FF has a tiny team compared to Blizz dev teams.
And their devs are way more keen to feedback and genuine improvement in the game for the players
lusty marsh
They also don't have to worry about pvp
lusty marsh
I did
cinder nova
It "exists".
lusty marsh
For that sweet hairstyle
wanton condor
FF?
lusty marsh
by don't have to worry about pvp I mean, pvp exists in it's own little world and barely gets balance adjustments
final fantasy
14
cinder nova
I hear there's a lot of big improvement to their recent few bosses on the highest difficulty.
lusty marsh
raids in FF feel so good
cinder nova
I dunno, Sigma. All my friends who play (which is north of 20 people) say different.
lusty marsh
They are less thought intensive though. more like competative dance.
wanton condor
the main thing is that it largely doesn't matter because raids are either balanced to be beatable with crafted gear or capped gear
MCH has been unplayable at above 80 ping for years
opaque hearth
hello, is the bis list on icy for mythic drops still pretty accurate? specifically the anima field emitter, along with the blood scale as the 2 you would like to use
sweet summit
with gear only from dungeons, yeah
wanton condor
and yeah, the raids are hardcore simon says more than anything else
lusty marsh
I love blood scale
cinder nova
For the majority of players that's BIS even with raid gear.
wanton condor
scale/heart is my dream team
cinder nova
Most folks aren't gonna see regular 226 mythic gear, nevermind 233 from the pentultimates
Honestly I'm out here thirsting for a fucking 220 Dreadfire
wanton condor
need that gold raid parse eh?
lusty marsh
I'm rocking 220 heraldry 213 phial atm
wanton condor
220 heraldry/213 heart myself
cinder nova
I already farmed my 220 phial
lusty marsh
I thought heart was bad to run with all the friendly damage
sweet summit
imean
cinder nova
I'd even settle for a 226 Skulker tbh
cinder nova
I'm absolutely hard for a better DPS trinket than a 226 Decanter
wanton condor
my general feel is that the #1 thing that screws runs is the dps fuck something up. No trinket will help there. But the #2 is the tank dying
cinder nova
High key tyr week having a few cheat deaths is 10/10
wanton condor
and the damage difference between the heart (which is a main stat stick) and the next best trinket should really not be the difference between the kill/time or not
heart is love, heart is life
sweet summit
just reflect it 📈
cinder nova
Like "ope... there goes 65% of my HP"
fading prawn
Hey Ladies and Gents, Low geared Prot warrior getting ready to make my first Leggo, I have the wall ready to go, question is what piece should I roll it on Shoulders or Cloak?
cinder nova
Not up enough to get every stomp
cinder nova
🤔 What?
sweet summit
but then his energy will deplete slower
cinder nova
Erga what the fuck are you on about.
sweet summit
so its kinda a win/lose situation
cinder nova
What is this sorcerery.
sweet summit
3rd boss spires
cinder nova
Right.
cinder nova
Explain.
sweet summit
stand max melee range
he will not stompy stomp
walk closer to boss when spell reflect is ready
and he will stomp
walk back to max melee range until spell reflect is off cooldown
repeat
sweet summit
ye but he takes increased damage during that phase
so thats where dps do dps
hes got a fuckton of hp
sweet summit
Hey Ladies and Gents, Low geared Prot warrior getting ready to make my first Leg...
shoulders
cinder nova
I'll probably choose to jump in when I see CDs coming up
fading prawn
Awesome Thanks @sweet summit
wanton condor
slowing it down to let dps burst on pull and again could be good
will have to try this out
sweet summit
idk if youre aware or not but reprisal is better in m+
but the wall is great for m+ and raids
just in case
wanton condor
also if you've got a fuckup and want to delay a second intermission
cinder nova
Well, I can usually survive the stomps
But I gotta have something for every tomp
I got caught without a CD on one
So I just capped IP, put up my shield
And prayed
fading prawn
Yeah I'm going Wall first Reprisal second, Most M+ I'll be dps spec anyways
sweet summit
solid mate
cinder nova
🤔 Hmmm... Decanter is 3rd DPS for a cleave fight in trinkets
Guess I'll swap it for AoE stuff if I don't get a dreadfire
sweet summit
its big dam if you can hit all mobs with it
cinder nova
I usually do
But nobody cares about M+ DPS as a tank
People want the boss pink parses
cinder nova
I pump
But I don't really think there's a ranked log for tank damage in M+
is there?
cinder nova
Yeah
sweet summit
are a joke lol
cinder nova
Hence my desire for the big pp 233 dreadfire
Can you get M Danny loot from GV if you haven't popped him? 🤔
sweet summit
nope
sweet summit
you need to kill him at least once
lusty marsh
I just want to be seen as something other than "not a dh"
cinder nova
What about SLG?
sweet summit
then his loot is "unlocked"
cinder nova
Is it every boss?
cinder nova
Oh, good. That's a relief.
sweet summit
not 100% sure
cinder nova
I was gonna be real fucking sad that my first GV piece was gonna be between HD, Hunt, and Shriek.
Oh wait what the fuck
Ashen Jugg is better ST than Reverb?
cinder nova
I'm just combing through shit on Bloodmallet
sweet summit
eh
better to sim your own character
distant crystal
blizzard announced that SLG loot and sire loot were based on whether you've killed them
in actuality raid GV loot is just based on what bosses you killed the week before
lusty marsh
S. you also cleared HD for the first time this week?
sweet summit
waat repeat that but slower
distant crystal
if you killed first three last week, your 1 slot will have a chance at those 3's loot
if you killed only last 3, it'll be last 3's loot, etc
lusty marsh
That would be too dissapointing
sweet summit
oh :(
distant crystal
blizz talked it up like it was this nuanced system and it just wasn't
kinda weird
lusty marsh
First 3 have no gear for me
sweet summit
so i need to kill sire every week to get sire loot in vault?
distant crystal
ye'
distant crystal
i wanna say they even specifically announced that first 8 was free for all and only the last 2 were restricted
but it's just the same for all, pretty weird
shut summit
that isnt true, we killed SLG / denath then just did first 8 for a couple weeks and bunch of people were getting 233s
(without having killed them the week before)
distant crystal
O_O We checked for weeks of clearing 7/10 with different people sitting different bosses and nobody ever got loot from something they hadn't killed tf
shut summit
idk how it is with other bosses, but SLG/denath is definitely one and done unlock
distant crystal
The way they worded it was that you could get any of the first 8 regardless of slots but you couldn't get SLG or Sire without killing them
maybe they're just bad at communicating what they meant
shut summit
wouldnt be the first time
mighty valley
yep! but don't go too wild, generally higher ilvl pieces are good
sweet summit
nah
delete pawn
ilvl>haste>vers>mastery>=crit generally
sim yourself with top gear for big dps
sweet summit
the wall>reprisal>rest
stable kernel
my prot warrior hasn't crafted the wall yet
cinder nova
♿
sweet summit
dont need the wall ❌
when you can have reprisal ♥️
primal shale
Looking at possibly moving from Kyrian to Night fae. Koryan looks to have all the benefit of Pelagos except mastery and looks to be more beneficial if we're able to pull more than just a couple mobs. It's easy enough to run up a second tree. Any reason not to?
stable kernel
The only downfall is cov diversity in ur party
but other then that no reason not to if you want to
primal shale
*sharp inhale through clenched teeth. Hadn't considered that
fringe marten
hm...I don't know if I did the shattering on sludge on our kill either; our logs are private too so it won't get posted online..RIP
Should have done it with avatar/demo as you soak the first 'big' boulder on P1.
I dunno how it works for prot warrior but I know that, the Burrs on nightfae is a free TON of damage for my guardian druid cotank.
primal shale
Yeah it's something like 6% of my damage on my druid
fringe marten
it's a substantial amount of his damage, depends on fight/etc but it's WAY good.
Yeah; that alone made me re evaluate nightfae...but still not changing.
It's not even that it's not better, or whatever..it's solid, so is Necrolord. But none of them are better in enough of a way, in areas that matter to me..to make me switch. I guess that's a good thing? they're all pretty good.
I was just worried necrolord changes would be SO good that i'd just have to change; glad they were just..enough to make it good, and not "absolute must have"
primal shale
I do like the necro armor more than bastion, but the mastery and the correction to bastion make it viable
wicked vault
anyone got a good necrotic rot weakaura?
several stopped working properly this week
sacred quarry
https://wago.io/ZMG9lMIgL someone shared this with me earlier in the week
wicked vault
thank you!
sacred quarry
Anyone have a good necrotic wake route this week? Or tips for handling inspiring in this dungeon
jagged pier
the same route as normal, and ither cc the inspired mob and move the rest away or just focus the inspired mob down they are your 2 and only options with inspiring
sacred quarry
Where are you moving with some of the pulls? E.g. before 2nd boss caster pack
fringe marten
I think the only places that really need a cc are like..? Maybe one of the packs you 'could' get in the mists maze, and ..I think 2 of the packs in spires? where they're just too jank to be allowing inspired mobs in there. Maybe one of the packs in dos too.
depends on your groups blast vs the key strength of course.
jagged pier
i dont move i just get ppl to focus the mob 99% of the time
i dont run enough keys in this week to care to much tbh
sacred quarry
Gotcha, I have a +18 key so worried about getting stomped
dark lark
Tyrannical tredova is generally going to be a bigger problem than inspiring
fringe marten
oh yeah..by far this weeks worst crap is tyrannical. the REAL shitty weeks are tyrannical where ...tyrannical is only 'one' of the things you don't like dealing with.
brave jetty
What fights have y'all been feeling comfortable going Reprisal for?
jagged pier
all of them on hc, and con only speak for sludge and SLG on mythic
i use it on thos
i think only one on mythic i wouldnt would probs be council as u have to stand still
brave jetty
Yeah I did a full run on HC with it tonight and it felt good
I guess I had thought it'd only be great on a few fights where the movement patterns really allow for it but nah it was working out pretty well for basically everything
jagged pier
i mena on hc it really doesnt matter at all tbh
brave jetty
true