protection

[wet compass]

90% of my guild no longer does torghast

[uneven mason]

Remove reason to run torghast - I think more people would do torghast

[wet compass]

It would make more people run it because they could actually build useful legoos

[distant crystal]

runecarver fire sale

everything must go!

[wet compass]

there are 20 some leggos per class

[uneven mason]

The last 2 words in that sentence.

[wet compass]

I'm not going to bother with more than 1 or 2 personally and most won't either

[distant crystal]

counting the stupid phantasma lure and such is just cheating

[wet compass]

Okay but if you could build a full phantasma lure in a week you probably would just in case no?

[uneven mason]

no

[distant crystal]

i mean no

[uneven mason]

because the benefit would be so pointless

because there is no point to something that doesn't exist

[distant crystal]

i'd prob build some of the other silly ones tho, but i'm a masochist who does layer 8 x10 weekly

[uneven mason]

I do torghast to help my wife and sometimes guildies.

[wet compass]

I'd 100% build some of the fun ones

[uneven mason]

same reason for the maw

[distant crystal]

5man torghast with friends is actually somewhat fun

[cursive wind]

haste+verse and legs for reprisal right

[wet compass]

Heck I would build multiple stat combos of some of the good ones if it didn't takes ages to do

[uneven mason]

My brain doesn't wrap itself around something that takesd that much time and effort for basically zero reward

I can speed run torghast by myself

and get it overwith

or I Could invite 4 people and have it take 5x as long because group scaling is so fucked

[limpid geode]

hiyo guys, what are the best soulbinds/conds for NF prot warrior?

raid and m+

[cinder storm]

5 man thorgast is super quick imo, takes like 10-15 mins to complete a run or less depending on powers and grp

[strong forum]

i found 2 man to be the fastest

pull entire floor, dps kills it in 2seconds, go next

[sick sentinel]

reprisal is de way for prot in keys yes?

[strong forum]

Yes

[wanton condor]

they fixed group scaling a while back

you can blast through it now with a group

4 dps + rsham is actually fun

[uneven mason]

This is the case when you have a equally geared DPS ><
WHen I say I'm running it with guildies and such I mean, I'm the softie tank who does stuff for the people who have a hard time understanding that you can't lick your earlobe

[wanton condor]

tanking is kind of a trap for it

[uneven mason]

so I've started tanking it on alts

so I'm more on par with the rest of them

174 guardian druid gooooo

[wanton condor]

I just do arms for torghast

chunk it all

fury is also fun in a group

[tardy parcel]

I feel like you just super do not like playing with your guild lmao, they sound incredibly unfortunate from what you've said before

[wet compass]

Have you tried though?

[uneven mason]

I'm one of those masochists who likes helping the unfortunate "bless their hearts" achieve their maximum potential.

I don't dislike my guild, I just wish some of them tried harder 😄

[wet compass]

Okay but have you tried to lick your earlobe yet?

[uneven mason]

Not since I was 4

[wet compass]

but it's very easy?

just requires a knife

[chilly brook]

It's actually pretty quick and very fun with 5

[uneven mason]

So they did fix scaling?

last time I did it with 5 was uh...months ago

[chilly brook]

Like it's worth the time increase you might have for the fun tbh

I did it recently with a bunch of alts

Didnt feel insane

[signal plover]

It's a very comfortable position to play with people you know you're better than

[chilly brook]

Coldheart took a little long but that's because coldheart is dumb

[uneven mason]

I'd love to have more people I know are better than me in the guild. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'd love it if I was the flipperhanded monkey

because then we'd down some bosses 😄

but slow and steady

[strong forum]

Crit

Hands down the best thing she offers

[uneven mason]

crit plays into her top ability

[chilly brook]

@uneven mason I'd say do a 5 man on an alt maybe not your main

But it's super fun tbh

[uneven mason]

Yeah I got a BrM coming up to 60

that I'll prob try that on.

[unkempt raptor]

How do you find out what stats to build as a tank

Like for side grades and stuff

[ancient monolith]

what is the covenant ranking for prot warr

[jagged pier]

any u like

[jagged pier]

icy veins, buyt TLDR if the items are the same ilvl haste>>>>>>>> vers>=crit> mastery

[uneven mason]

Someone has a fetish list around here somewhere.

[indigo hatch]

I also found this ranking basically everywhere, but then I tried mrrobot best in slot simulation (for their TUF /tanking score) and that told me that I should have much less haste. Like, haste should be the lowest stat. Did I just do something wrong there? Or is that stat ranking at mrrobot flawed?

[signal plover]

Oh god

[uneven mason]

Don't AMR

🤮

🤮 🤮 🤮

you can't simulate tanking

I mean, you could probably have simulated BFA BrM

[modern brook]

dont overcomplicate it ikari

[uneven mason]

"does press buttons -> +9000 tanking score"

[jagged pier]

sims are only for damage

[uneven mason]

Pretty sure mentioning BFA BRM is the other direction.

[modern brook]

nono i mean "you cant simulate tanking"

[ancient monolith]

haha I'm just wondering if it's worth switching covenants since I'm Venthyr fury but I wanted to be able to also tank and I feel Venthyr is not the best/optimal to tank

[torn gust]

leap away as much as you can :v

[modern brook]

ven is fine for tank

[ancient monolith]

I could be wrong though

[signal plover]

@ancient monolith venthyr is fine to tank

Check the pins

[modern brook]

doing things to be optimally tanky is a great way to not want to play in about 3 weeks tbh

[signal plover]

Each of our covenants has value

[uneven mason]

warrior in the world for M+ was venthyr for quite some time

[signal plover]

And all 4 can be a valid choice

[indigo hatch]

thanks for the answers guys

[signal plover]

I'm honestly not sure how AMR still exists

[modern brook]

same reason pawns still in use tbh

[signal plover]

I guess old habits but still

Theyve been consistently wrong for what like, 3 xpacs now?

[covert saffron]

just started working heroic raid, is there a min vers I should be looking to get to or can I still just keep geming/enchanting for haste no matter what?

[signal plover]

Just Ilvl

[modern brook]

you dont need verse for raid full stop

[uneven mason]

N O X X I C

[modern brook]

Ilvl > haste> everything

if you're dying then you're probably messing something up rotationall,y post logs we can help

if you're not, you got some slacker healers

[covert saffron]

ok i noticed a lot of the top mythic raiders in logs seem to have less haste than me and WAY more vers thats why I was concerned

[uneven mason]

that's just how gear works

also they're doing mongo keys

like +23 shit

they stack vers for necrobolt pillows

[torn gust]

oh shit necrobolts

[signal plover]

Or just have 2.4k pvp gear

[indigo hatch]

some high ranked m+ warrior tanks also reach for versatility (at least on gems and enchants) instead of haste, is there a good reason for that?

[strong forum]

i have 30% haste now and i was top 10 on a few bosses

so yuh.

[modern brook]

Zoomeratur

[uneven mason]

but at places where logic hasn't broken and physical still apply, ilvl > haste > vers=>crit>mastery (gaps are very small)

[uneven mason]

Nom slaps hard

[craggy pilot]

how much haste is nice as prot?

[modern brook]

a lot

[strong forum]

25% imo

[craggy pilot]

rip

im 12 😦

[torn gust]

fuck

[craggy pilot]

%

[strong forum]

yeah thats nothing

[uneven mason]

GASP an actual value

[strong forum]

12 is ouch

[craggy pilot]

25% mastery kekw

[uneven mason]

just wear you highest ilvl stuff

and be happy

smile

[mental scarab]

Exept rings

[modern brook]

me make number big unga bunga :^))

[strong forum]

you have 12% mastery base and you get more mastery per point

[craggy pilot]

i have shit ton of Vers Crit gear because of Arms :<

[modern brook]

hell yeah have fun pumping revenges

[uneven mason]

I have 24% crit...

slapslapslap

[craggy pilot]

15 crit
12 haste
25 mastery
19 vers

[modern brook]

IDK if you picked up on it: your secondaries do not matter

like at all

[strong forum]

stats are largely irrelevant, just get alot

[modern brook]

outside of content that you frankly wont be doing while asking about your stat priority

[uneven mason]

nm I forgot I swapped some gear

[craggy pilot]

i have Haste Mastery ring
is a Vers Crit ring better?

[strong forum]

but i just think the arbitrary number of 25% haste is when shit starts to feel real nice

[signal plover]

Same Ilvl?

[uneven mason]

21% haste now~

[covert saffron]

ouch, I am only at ilvl 213 and sitting at C10, H25, M30, V8

[craggy pilot]

its like 150 mastery 65 haste
vs 79 crit 126 vers

[signal plover]

What's ouch about this?

[strong forum]

then the crit vers one is better i think

cuz its so low on haste already

[craggy pilot]

220 crit vers 226 haste mastery

[strong forum]

ah well

F

[craggy pilot]

signet of false accuser

[strong forum]

then the haste one

[covert saffron]

@signal plover wish I could trade about 5-10% of mastery for vers LOL

[strong forum]

or idk

id just sim it tbh

[craggy pilot]

sim it for most dmg?

[strong forum]

the low haste big mastery is fucking shit

its just a shit ring

[uneven mason]

o wtf someone knocked me out of my top 10 spot on my server

[strong forum]

people playing pwar now wtf

[modern brook]

haha ur bad noob

[uneven mason]

canceling raids, daddy needs to run some keys

[craggy pilot]

i have a Stitchflesh Misplaced Signet also, but too poor to upgrade it 😄

119 haste 66 vers

[strong forum]

ye if you can upgrade that its a very good ring

I AM SPEED

[jagged pier]

yer @sweet summit did that to me but i have to pug to push so that aint happening

[craggy pilot]

its like 80% of my valor gone 😄
have 1695, need 1000 to go from 207 to 220

[uneven mason]

my server is lowball

+13s and shit

if I got KSM I'd be like, #1

[ocean yoke]

if you arent getting carpal tunnel are you even playing warrior?

[sweet summit]

sorry

[patent osprey]

I wish there was something to use valor on T_T

[sweet summit]

it wont happen again

[patent osprey]

i already upgraded all the dung trinkets

[strong forum]

i mean... in BFA we got up to 150% haste

and in legion you had SPAM IP + SPAM SS

with like 90 APM

[uneven mason]

TFW they put in a catch up system that is useless to the people who could utilize it the most

[craggy pilot]

i mean Valor is not for people who alrdy got full 226 😄

[strong forum]

current prot is nothing compared to legion

[ocean yoke]

fast pace is the only pace

[craggy pilot]

its for the unlucky fucks who didnt get a wep for 6 weeks straight

[ocean yoke]

or a scale since launch 😦

[strong forum]

i have my 220 scale and thats all i needed, maybe yoink a phial of putrification for big damgur but thats it

[uneven mason]

Legit still need a scale from hakkar, not for lack of trying

[craggy pilot]

i just did upgrade my 1h and Shield to 220

because i dont get Prot weps from vault

[strong forum]

oh tru i could farm ToP shield

[uneven mason]

By the time i Get the scale offa Hakkar I'll have the valor to upgrade it from 184 to 220

[strong forum]

to get rid of my pvp shield

[autumn ingot]

whats up fellow tank warriors, enjoying the necrotic week I see

[strong forum]

i enjoy every week, cuz i only do 1-4 15s a week and then piss off

[uneven mason]

Necrotic doesn't phase us as much as it does the "Self sustain" tanks

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

i dont mind it tbh

[uneven mason]

TFW warriors facetank with 49stacks

[strong forum]

[uneven mason]

BDKs are running at 30

[strong forum]

20

so does vdh

[craggy pilot]

is necrotic fucking us?

or should i just IP a bit?

[strong forum]

no

necrotic afflicts warrior the least

of all tanks

[autumn ingot]

I thought last week was the worst week I skipped it and now I got necrotic sweet

[strong forum]

last week was among the easiest weeks ever

[craggy pilot]

rly?

i was getting slapped in +14

[strong forum]

[craggy pilot]

even though i did +15 in last last week ezpz

[jagged pier]

we arent based off healing ourselves ergo u can take more stacks cause u mitigate more

[modern brook]

they ninja fixed spiteful

no more getting punched 30yds away

[strong forum]

git gud

also fortified

[autumn ingot]

the tornado week is the best one for me, I went up from 9 a 14 in a week lol

[uneven mason]

I'll take necrotic 1000x over Grevious

[strong forum]

WAT

[craggy pilot]

i pushed all my 15s in Tornado week 😄

[strong forum]

storming is literal HATE

[modern brook]

no one likes storming lol

[strong forum]

FUCK STORMING

HOLY SHIT

[autumn ingot]

9 to 14

I mean

[modern brook]

Storming as intended is like every fight is pre-fix Underrot last boss during explosives/ volcanic

[uneven mason]

Nothing like getting a nado in the butt mid air while leaping out of a mechanic

[craggy pilot]

for some reason i got slapped during Fortified Week

[uneven mason]

🤮

[autumn ingot]

sheesh timed twice the mist what

[modern brook]

highly likely you're not keepign block where it needs to be (up)

[strong forum]

why yes i do push m+ alot

[autumn ingot]

how is that possible

[modern brook]

nice top 🙂

[craggy pilot]

i feel like i was messing something up, but dont think it was Shield Block @modern brook

[modern brook]

oh its storming; remove the sarcasm

[strong forum]

+2ing mists 15 is easy wdym brawny

[autumn ingot]

what route do you usually use?

[modern brook]

the next thing to check is cd usage

[strong forum]

there is only 1 route

in mists

[autumn ingot]

Im doing the no skip route

[craggy pilot]

ill just blame it on the healer 😄 @modern brook

[strong forum]

no NF skip?

geez

[rancid ember]

Like no skip the 3rd pack of the dungeon?

[autumn ingot]

its on raider.io

[uneven mason]

wat

oh

that

[autumn ingot]

yeah haha

[strong forum]

how

do you not have a single NF

90% of all dps players are NF

[autumn ingot]

im kyrian

[strong forum]

yeah but the rest of the group

[uneven mason]

he means skipping the pack after

[strong forum]

[uneven mason]

right?

Like, no NF isn't logically possible

statistically you should at least trip on 5 on your way into the dungeon

[autumn ingot]

even with nf I usually do no skip routes

[strong forum]

why?

its so much worse

wastes a ton of time

[sick sentinel]

maybe there is still confusion

[modern brook]

routes def stinky

[lime urchin]

but I already got it last week!

[autumn ingot]

idk I havent tried it yet

[modern brook]

continue not trying it imo

[sick sentinel]

wow

[autumn ingot]

the skip route maybe I should try it and see if its actually better

[rancid ember]

On my first 17 mists key (i was so excited we got it as our first 17) we invited a mage assuming he was NF for the skip. The key started and we all stood at the door and the mage didn't open it. I asked if he could open and he said "Bro I'm Venthyr" and now I ask what covenants people are or look them up 😄

[autumn ingot]

sheeesh

[modern brook]

Frost mage pumps fat enough in mists to make up for te dogshit route you have to do anyways

[autumn ingot]

for necrotic stacks, when do you guys start kiting?

[strong forum]

depends

30-50ish

often never

[autumn ingot]

I was doing 20 earlier and I was melting

Idk if I can go up to 30 or 50 lol]

[strong forum]

thats a sign that you can improve then!

😄

[torn stump]

when you hit ~30 you scream at your monitor and hit shield wall

if everything isnt dead by the time shield wall drops

you yell at your dps for being trash

[autumn ingot]

yeah theres a lot of room to improve, my team just flamed the heck out of me, eventhough we almost timed it twice in soa

[strong forum]

gotta keep at it, and flame back to your team for doing dogshit dps

👍

[autumn ingot]

I was running away too much with my 3 leaps lego and not maintaining my aggro lmao

[strong forum]

oh wtf

dont play that lego

get reprisal ASAP

playing leaper is inting and a meme

[autumn ingot]

I broke my key because I couldnt run in top so i got mad and used my 3 leap lego to getaway from the boss

[torn stump]

but the classiest meme

[vocal bison]

Last key to tank for KSM is DoS 15, did a 17 the other day with a guild group and was looking to be a few min off at the end so I salvaged for a rerun later this week.

Any tips on CD management/pulling for first 2 packs? I am always clenching and wondering if I’m missing something easy.

[autumn ingot]

it kinda work but my team ate some of the damage haha

[strong forum]

ah the classic 🙂

first pack, use lust and last stand DONT USE SHIELDWALL

[autumn ingot]

actually the 3 leap lego is not bad this week

[signal plover]

It is bad

Every week

Cept in maw if no mount

[strong forum]

2nd pack, go in, do your dmg buttons and use shieldwall, after that you have to kite

[sick sentinel]

there's more magic in second pack right?

[strong forum]

yes

the melee adds do bonestrike, an instant magic nuke

[strong forum]

Leaper is always bad, never play it

[vocal bison]

Thanks, that’s what I’m missing I think

[autumn ingot]

how is it bad? I mean this week is all about running am I right?

[strong forum]

no

its not

as i said

you dont kite until 30-50 stacks

[torn stump]

you run when you have to, not right away

[strong forum]

usually the pack is dead by then

or you just run away normally

you should never need 3 heroic leaps

[signal plover]

Or just use the single charge of leap you always have

[strong forum]

1 is ALWAYS enough

reprisal increases your tankiness by a solid 50%

[rancid ember]

You're Kyrian right? Your potion clears Necrotic stacks too if you're in a bad spot

[autumn ingot]

yeah

[strong forum]

playing leaper is just a lose-lose situation

[signal plover]

And u can run kleia and be immune to additional necrotic stacks for a bit

[strong forum]

there is not a single scenario in pve where you need 3 heroic leaps

its just bad

very very bad

[autumn ingot]

no wonder why my team was flaming me, he died twice because Icouldnt maintain my aggro

not even thunderclap can save his ass

haha

[rancid ember]

Questing sounds legit with 3 leaps tho 😛

[strong forum]

thats cuz TC does nothing

[signal plover]

TC won't save anyone

[vocal bison]

Pulling *trash then running out the dungeon XD

[autumn ingot]

yeah I should learn how to take off my stacks properly

[uneven mason]

Warriors never run.

[strong forum]

for example @autumn ingot thats generally how the dmg breakdown will look like once you start pumping in keys when you dont have to kite

https://i.imgur.com/rcmmkDh.png

[uneven mason]

If you're dying to having too many necrotic stacks SCREAM AT YOUR DPS TO GRUNT HARDER!

we're quite literally the best tank to handle necrotic

since we're the only one without any healing!

[strong forum]

thats from an SD15 to boost KSM for the healer

[hollow silo]

4.9k

[uneven mason]

God Nom

[plush tendon]

'Prot Paladin looks at you' Am I a Joke to you?

[uneven mason]

I thought you were a pumper

[signal plover]

I bet u had a juicy venthyr buff there heheh

[autumn ingot]

yeah you right warriors never run haha

[strong forum]

not a single one

[uneven mason]

Paladins are always a joke

[strong forum]

0 venthyr

[autumn ingot]

but I dont run I leap

"__

🙂

[plush tendon]

FAIR

[strong forum]

with venthyr buff that couldve been a solid 5.5k overall i think

maybe more

[autumn ingot]

so how do you guys remove your necrotic stacks?

[signal plover]

How juiced were you gauntlet pulls damn

[autumn ingot]

do you stun and leap away

[marble summit]

any1 know how much damage the engineering belt thingy does? wowhead states 83 damage, but i was wondering if this scales with stat or something?

[strong forum]

with shit dps nothing dies, so you get to pad alot longer

😄

[plush tendon]

are you saying that could be me if I was NF : ^)

[signal plover]

Usually just kill the pack then necro clears itself. It's not even a fort week. If it lasts awhile either dorf racial or phial

[strong forum]

yo actually if i was NF and we had venthyr i think that wouldve been 6k overall for me

actually

[autumn ingot]

so if I reach 30 I can just use my potion to remove the debuff

and continue tanking?

[strong forum]

yes

[autumn ingot]

ohh I didnt know I can use that

[strong forum]

but its all relative

if youre full HP and have 30 stacks

no reason to use potion

just greed it a few globals more

[uneven mason]

Legit got trash talked by my paladin co tank for having to kite that caster pack in DoS +15
Next time he's in there, gets globaled by the same thing.

[signal plover]

Well if he's running leaper hes prolly not at full hp ;)

[amber herald]

paladins don't get to say shit about kiting lol

[modern brook]

:kekw:

[plush tendon]

Prot Paladins dont tank. They are a DPS doing their best not to die while the tank is running back

Most likley on a CD (Trees)

[autumn ingot]

lmao I usually run with the wall but this week shook me and tried out my leaper I mean it kinda work

[uneven mason]

IDK, burns your offensive potion CD though IIRC

[uneven mason]

how many stacks you can take is always up to how your DPS is doing, how your healer feels, and what sorta CDs you have left.

We're all about reducing damage

so notice when you hit a curve where your healer seems to be REALLY pumping to keep up, and then go full fucking turtle

and you'll make it through most pulls without burning pot/kiting

[modern brook]

using your words helps a lot too

coordinating with your healers for externals and stuff at this point you should never have to kite anything at 15s

[uneven mason]

get that logical communication touchy feely crap out of here Rogue

[modern brook]

Ikari what server are you on

im rerolling there to knock you out of top 10 😠

[autumn ingot]

what dps classes do you guys recommend for dps this week?

[strong forum]

firemage boomkin + X

[uneven mason]

"yes"

[strong forum]

but generally

yes

[uneven mason]

at 15

[strong forum]

everything works

[uneven mason]

anyone who can interrupt

[chilly brook]

Damn I really outed @modern brook didn't I?

[uneven mason]

"the one that has stuns and interrupts"

[modern brook]

SMH

[modern brook]

I do not take firemages or boomkins to pugs tbh

[plush tendon]

I agree; never trust them

[modern brook]

rando firemages do nothing

[chilly brook]

All the good ones aren't doing 15s-17s

[uneven mason]

yeah I wouldn't ever pug a firemage

[modern brook]

the good ones arent pugging period

[uneven mason]

legit just triple boomkin

super trees and glide to KSM

[modern brook]

just rotate convokes lol

[autumn ingot]

so to get away with the stacks, I will toss in my spear and leaps out for reset and repeat?

[uneven mason]

"Necrotic LOL, whos tanking!"

[wet compass]

I mean there are plenty of good players who don't push past 15 because it isn't fun

[uneven mason]

if need be

call for slows on packs

if you can (inspiring)

[strong forum]

i dont pug so

[plush tendon]

youll find different ways to reset stacks, sometimes youll even be able to get a reset mid pull if you get some lucky parrys

[modern brook]

no arugemnts but are you more likely to get johnny good player who doesnt push past 15s casue they're not fun, or Billy baddy who rerolled fire mage because he got out damaged on a shreikwing LFR pull?

[wet compass]

I mean billy baddy probably isn't even going to get to 1k io

[uneven mason]

The # of fresh boomkins, firemages is equal to the # of fresh VDHs who can't tank a +2

[sturdy sable]

I always forget how boring necrotic is as an affix

[autumn ingot]

oh okay, ill try tanking without my leaper now lol wish me luck boys

[uneven mason]

I have 1k .io so I can prove this statement false.

[wet compass]

You rerolled because someone beat you on shriekwing lfr?

[chilly brook]

Definitely not true

[plush tendon]

no, they do. They are a fire mage and people see them in LFG and are like 'wow, a mage. Hes meta, he must be good' then gets carried. Suddenly you got a shit fire mage with KSM pugging keys and people dont know better

[modern brook]

I think you'r taking my jest a little to literally

[chilly brook]

Especially if you're a tank or a healer

[modern brook]

but basically what august said

[chilly brook]

I see a lot of bads in those roles who got carried

[wet compass]

I feel like it's harder to carry tanks this tier personally

[chilly brook]

Not even close lol

[wet compass]

compared to bfa?

[modern brook]

U ever get that VDH who thinks hes literally not supposed to get hit by mobs?

[plush tendon]

VDH tanks are hit or miss

[uneven mason]

a bad tank is nearly impossible to fix

[sturdy sable]

^

A good tank can carry runs

[uneven mason]

every time I log on my Rshm

[distant crystal]

is this a parry pun

[uneven mason]

I've actually started just leaving groups as soon as I see a VDH join

[distant crystal]

https://tenor.com/yvtV.gif

[uneven mason]

when healing

like "Nope"

[chilly brook]

I got carried through a 14 NW on my 199 prot pally last week

[plush tendon]

unintentional : ^)

[sturdy sable]

I do the same thing on my hpal ikarikaze

[chilly brook]

Like legit carried

[modern brook]

90% of pugging is stress venting about how much i hate my tank

[uneven mason]

Skill > gear

[plush tendon]

Wait, if you were Prot Pally... who was the tank?

[uneven mason]

You still interrupt and stun and shit

Don't need one in NW when you can silence everything August

[sturdy sable]

The fire mage obviously

[chilly brook]

You dont understand I got 1 shot twice

[plush tendon]

I ran NW on my paladin last week to

[modern brook]

I dragged 2 of my brand new friends through a +10 DoS on monday night.

all they did was kick and cc what i told them to

fatty like 1.2k overall for both

[plush tendon]

Im almost positive that the person who designed that spec thought he was making a DPS

[uneven mason]

My wife was 177 and I was like "Lets run a key" did SoA 12 (timed it)

[modern brook]

Ez +2

[sturdy sable]

Sounds like they listen

[uneven mason]

she flipped out on me when she realized what + it was (she's terrified of M+ for some reason IDK, could be the yolo pulls I used to do with Thunderclap BFA prot)

[modern brook]

my boys were 158 and 162 :^)

[plush tendon]

And they are not KSM yeT?

slacking

[uneven mason]

4serious

[sturdy sable]

Get em some gear and confidence and they'll do fine

[modern brook]

well only 1 is a fire mage

[uneven mason]

that being said

a 177 guardian druid can tank a +10

without being carried

fuckig bears

[plush tendon]

Yea, but Bears are beefy AF

now thats a tank

you know he aint running

[sturdy sable]

I'd say a 10 is doable for most tanks in a coordinated group with that ilvl

Not a pug tho

[plush tendon]

To get into a +10 pug you need to have all 15s timed

[modern brook]

The point im getting at though, isnt flexing how good my rogue is btw, its that like if you're present in the key; Timing things for ksm isnt hard to do. But a fire mage that can press counterspell != a useful dps tbh

[plush tendon]

everyone knows this

[sturdy sable]

Lmao

You right

[uneven mason]

Just strap a M68A to their back

Burs

if you go venthyr

you have one

[uneven mason]

Legit 218 prot warrior, a +10 DOS I get declined and I'm like "You sure, seen you been looking for 20minutes"
"Need VDH to time high keys" is the answer

+10 high keys

[modern brook]

LOL

bro they saved you a tylenol

[uneven mason]

reprisal can just about solo the big trash pulls

pumpers

[distant crystal]

the 10 was just an audition

[uneven mason]

just gotta SW until you get that VR rotation going.

[distant crystal]

for the 13 into 16 into 19 into 22

[hot oxide]

shit, you all got me wanting to switch my druid from resto to bear

[uneven mason]

sure~

[uneven mason]

Give it a try, bears are fun

make sure you go Venthyr

[distant crystal]

facetank kings

[modern brook]

i wish i liked bear tbh

[hot oxide]

3 button tank right?

[uneven mason]

and take incarnation

basically

[plush tendon]

Ive been leveling my bear

[modern brook]

i still dont know the difference betwen their abilities

[uneven mason]

every 3minutes you pull half the dungeon

and are immortal

[hot oxide]

wait, you dont convoke as a bear?

[distant crystal]

as soon as i get a better IQD

[plush tendon]

currently using NF, but convoke is sort meh so far

[hot oxide]

but i want my 2 min I WILL KEEL YOU button

[uneven mason]

cocaine bear

[distant crystal]

i'm switching my druid to guardian lootspec 5eva

[uneven mason]

will kill everything

[hot oxide]

i'll haft to look into this

[modern brook]

in bear form you just get a lot of ironfurs TBH

[hot oxide]

gah

[modern brook]

U can swap to chicken form but uhhh

[plush tendon]

You do, and it has applications especially if you go balance affinity and can cheese some damage out. But cocaine bear seems like a hoot

[modern brook]

then ur not a bear

[hot oxide]

thats pretty poop

[distant crystal]

as bear you have the moonkin drop treants

and owlvoke

all day

[uneven mason]

This, you basically just cast thrash once and then 15 stacks of ironfur

yeah that is the way for NF Bears

but if you want to be a ture murderbur

you venthyr

[hot oxide]

sounds plausible

[modern brook]

venthy'rs REALLY good with Berserk

and by REALLY i mean they're both 3 minutes so u just press them together and laugh

[distant crystal]

venthyr is just the haste thing right

[modern brook]

as you get too much haste and crit

[distant crystal]

i heard the crit conduit for venthyr doesn't actually work

c/d?

[modern brook]

MAybe it doesnt 🤷 If it does I'd imagine its potency of choice though

[uneven mason]

Venthyr

its damage healing and haste

stacking

with incarnation you have 30s of no CD on thrash

[distant crystal]

idk saw a video about some weird moonkin dot build with venthyr but they showed char sheet and crit didn't move during ravenous

[uneven mason]

and ursoc's shields you for 75% of the dmg done with thrash

[distant crystal]

with the conduit

@uneven mason yeah the conduit for it makes it also give crit, or it's supposed to at least

[uneven mason]

so for those 20s you're shielding yourself for 75% * Ravenous stacks

yeah the conduit does

its insane watching a bear do this

adnd just roll

[marble summit]

Alright, so putting this here so others can see it: The damage retaliator from engineering does 90 physical damage per hit on a 207 prot warrior. This damage is further decreased by the enemy armor. I was attacking some open world minions and it dealt 42 damage per hit. So if you think its interesting, dont, it sux 😛

[distant crystal]

some madlad was venthyr moonkin in RBGs doing like 15K dps in a clash

with mostly just starfall and dots

[wanton condor]

it's a shame the super crunky incarnation leggo is just bad compared to the thrash one

[modern brook]

I looked it up

and apparently its a ui glitch

[distant crystal]

ahh

prob something about not wanting it to affect other things so it's crit chance on your druid abilities and not raw crit

[modern brook]

you'd get the crit but its not showing on the page

Idk that seems pretty forward thinking for htem

but maybe

[distant crystal]

like combustion doesn't move your char sheet crit

[tawny citrus]

Qustion: Since I run "Better Served Cold" with the Reprisal Legendary, do we just use Demoralizing Shout only as a defensive that use the GCD ?

[wet compass]

Man I need to do rbgs but I want to be lazy and not do them choices choices

[chilly brook]

On CD still

[uneven mason]

I Mean, if its up, use it

[wanton condor]

so generally you'll use it on CD during the start of pulls

for bosses you use it as any other defensive, just on the gcd

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

I mean, if you don't need it

and can continue to use the GCDs to pump

by all means

pump

but we never want to get to the point of say, BrM.

[wanton condor]

Like any boss with a SR on their tank buster you can generally cover every other smack

Hakaar/Muzala/ToP last boss

[manic crater]

what's best cov for M+ currently?

[uneven mason]

Depends what you're into

pick whatever floats your boat

[strong forum]

^

[uneven mason]

Nom for instance, is into furrys, so NF is a natural pick

if you're into corpses, go NL

Got a thing for Tom Cruise in white makeup? Venthyr

[strong forum]

HelloooOoOOO

?

Rude much

[manic crater]

I'm assuming venthyr as prot would be less defensive than the others though?

[uneven mason]

yeah, but it won't really hold you back much

plka was #1 prot for a long time as venthyr

IDK what would be Kyrian's thing? Crossdressing?

[tawny citrus]

Self mutilation. That's their thing

[uneven mason]

oh right, sadomasochism

[blissful thicket]

can you make a macro to alternate on use trinkets trinkets

[uneven mason]

no

[strong forum]

Only with modifiers

[uneven mason]

actually

yeah

[strong forum]

Or just using them in 1 specific order

Just throwing both in there

The 1st line gets used first

The 2nd gets used if the other is still on cd

Otherwise the first gets used

Pretty simple

[uneven mason]

should work

not like GCD abilities.

[strong forum]

Yeah

The CD will make the "alternation"

[blissful thicket]

i have bss and sv and track them both io just cbf doing another keybind if i can turn them into one

[strong forum]

I guess?

But seems suboptimal

Double on use is shit

[patent osprey]

All Prot war covs are good to some degree ^.^ Play what you'd like 😄

but nightfae is def bae

[blissful thicket]

only other on hit i have for prot is phial or the sd cleave one

[patent osprey]

also, does spear scale with avatar?

[strong forum]

Use bss + phial

Big stonks

[strong forum]

Yes

Covenant abilities count as class abilities

Thus BV and Avatar affect them

[nocturne steeple]

NF prot tank how good ?

[strong forum]

Huge damage

[sweet summit]

VERY

[uneven mason]

[nocturne steeple]

cause im playing NEcro

and honestly

not much brought to the table currently

adn swapping to dps

[uneven mason]

Someone got Llarolded

[strong forum]

So you fell for the bait

[nocturne steeple]

is a fucking joke

well

they said ti wasnt bad

[strong forum]

Llarold already rerolled from necro away aswell

[uneven mason]

👏

[nocturne steeple]

XO

whos i LLarold

[strong forum]

Wowhead guide writer

[uneven mason]

writer for wowhead who overhypes every fucking change they make for prot

[strong forum]

He's enthusiastic okay

[nocturne steeple]

how good si arms for NF

[uneven mason]

BLOCK ON CHARGE - LOOK OUT SLICED BREAD

THE NEW BEST THING EVER

NF is pumpers for all 3 specs

[nocturne steeple]

and

venthyr

for prot

[uneven mason]

not horrible

Prot is stronk at base and most of our borrowed power is "Meh"

so, have at

[nocturne steeple]

fuck dude

im already so far

in necro XD

lol

[uneven mason]

so stay necro

[nocturne steeple]

but

its shit

[uneven mason]

I Mean, its boring

[nocturne steeple]

the abilites are ok

and nf gives good buffs

from the traits

like mastery/hp gain

[uneven mason]

but you're not going to suddenly find a new source of ecitement by vomiting blue glitter at bad guys

[nocturne steeple]

adn 25% crit

[uneven mason]

actually you might.

[nocturne steeple]

XD

see

[uneven mason]

is pretty fun

[nocturne steeple]

25% crit for 10s

is big

or is ti 5

[uneven mason]

yeah

25%

First Strike

[nocturne steeple]

no

the duration

how long

[uneven mason]

oh 5s iirc

[plush tendon]

stop tempting me away from my banner

[uneven mason]

its enough to make short work of trash

You can keep your 🖕 banner

thats what that looks like right?

a giant skeletal hand flicking off everyone behind you

the banners from NL

[nocturne steeple]

i dont know man D

XD

[uneven mason]

BUt yeah, the torment prot warriors face

having choices

for the first time in 3 expansions

[plush tendon]

Basically

[nocturne steeple]

and im a pvp player so

[plush tendon]

I think the hard part for me is I like the Necro Cov, and I made my DK venthyr cause swarming mists>abom

[uneven mason]

My DK is also Venthyr

because I don't play DPS

[plush tendon]

so trying to find a class that works with necro has been a challange

[nocturne steeple]

but like

[plush tendon]

even for DPS

[nocturne steeple]

if the reduce the cd on abnner

its better

[plush tendon]

Swarming Mists>Abom

[nocturne steeple]

60s

on cd

is crazy

XD

[uneven mason]

what 60s banner?

[nocturne steeple]

im saying

if they swapped

it to 60s

[uneven mason]

then it'd be in the area of PI

[plush tendon]

Personally, they could either give a smaller mastery boost to the whole group rather then the 2 closest they are trying to make us do

[uneven mason]

and we don't want to simp that hard.

Skull Banner when

[plush tendon]

or add a aoe damage component to it like you can get in Torggie

[nocturne steeple]

yeah

[strong forum]

"banner pulses dmg around you, generating rage for every enemy hit"

Pls

[plush tendon]

that would be the way

[nocturne steeple]

FUCK

[uneven mason]

Banner does a lot IDK, its like 25% str and rage per second is solid

[nocturne steeple]

do i go back to kyrian

or not

[uneven mason]

go NF

pump with the rest of us furrys

[nocturne steeple]

do i lay down and become

Bambi

XO

[plush tendon]

My continued issue with NF is I want to cover buffs

and choosing NF is in direct conflict with that

[nocturne steeple]

or sit with the big buff THOTS

[uneven mason]

you can be a dragon

not just bambi

[nocturne steeple]

i want to bea bear

[plush tendon]

you can also be a turtle

[uneven mason]

or a owlbear

[nocturne steeple]

excuse u

[plush tendon]

be a turtle

[uneven mason]

you can be a bear

[nocturne steeple]

i know

FUCK IT

ikari

[plush tendon]

and make it to the water

[uneven mason]

YASSS JOIN US

[nocturne steeple]

whats your IGN

[uneven mason]

👈

I has no hiddens

[nocturne steeple]

u horde

[uneven mason]

Nope sorry, I play a mechagnome

[nocturne steeple]

good

i cant wisp u

XO

[uneven mason]

literally my image is an orc

rocking out with a squirrel on his head

[nocturne steeple]

wisp Grimic

Quel Thalas

[ionic fern]

👀

Why?

[nocturne steeple]

cause

[uneven mason]

Wat

[nocturne steeple]

i want him to witness the great change

[uneven mason]

out of game sorry

[nocturne steeple]

XO

[uneven mason]

won't be on for another 3 hours!

I'm megaboomer slacking at work

[nocturne steeple]

FUCK IT

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[uneven mason]

Also, was just kidding I'm Venthyr, no idea about NF

might suck!

[nocturne steeple]

XO

u bait fucker XD

[plush tendon]

Pick the Cov you like, or swap around like me and end up with 2 at 40 renown and maybe 3 at 40 should I make the plunge into NF

[uneven mason]

Might've been kidding about kidding, NF is pipes

NF is my 3rd covenant

I probably would've gone back to Kyrian at time point, but fuck that 2 week thing

now I have like 30,000 anima invested in that stupid bench thing

so I'm too lazy to regrind that.

[plush tendon]

lol imagine caring about anima

[uneven mason]

my portal to Oribos

the PORRRRRRRRRRTAL

[plush tendon]

Ive never had one, and at this rate, I never will

[uneven mason]

legitimately the only thing keeping me NF

is having to grind up another like 16,000 anima for that portal

[ionic fern]

You have to be smarter...

Don't grind it in the first place so you won't know what you're missing.

🙂

[uneven mason]

I never ground it

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[uneven mason]

thats the thing

I just seem to collect it

[ionic fern]

I haven't touched that thing

On any of the covenants.

I don't even know how much anima i have

[nocturne steeple]

Mwahi

[ionic fern]

And i couldn't care less.

[uneven mason]

bagspace my man

[nocturne steeple]

what cov are u

[ionic fern]

😂

NF

[uneven mason]

we're all NF

[nocturne steeple]

whats it like for cury

[uneven mason]

snorting the blue crack

[nocturne steeple]

Fury

[plush tendon]

<- except me

[ionic fern]

Idk

I'm Prot.

[nocturne steeple]

yeah

hows it feel in prot

[uneven mason]

NF is BiS for Fury in keys

[plush tendon]

NF is the play if you multispec

[uneven mason]

50k spikes

[plush tendon]

If you only Prot, anything works

[uneven mason]

omonomnom

[ionic fern]

It's good.

Probably going back to Kyrian tho

[nocturne steeple]

it is gone

[uneven mason]

I miss my swolbro too

[plush tendon]

I would say going Banner on DPS war might actually be troll unless you are doing some high IQ PVP strat with ret paladin

[ionic fern]

I miss Spears in SoA.

[nocturne steeple]

iums orry Koryn is so thicc

it hurts

[uneven mason]

SoA is rough shit on fort weeks for sure

2 of those packs

[plush tendon]

bring WW, buff your damage, problem solved

[ionic fern]

No ty.

I will keep on bringing Feral druids

[plush tendon]

or a HPal who refuses to be Venthyr

[uneven mason]

Imagine using a melee in keys

[ionic fern]

Cause i wanna see if i can find a good one

[uneven mason]

I had a good one

[ionic fern]

And i wanna get a Survival in my key. 😦

[uneven mason]

but he left me

[ionic fern]

Never had one

[uneven mason]

because his wife had a baby

and he was like

being an adult

[plush tendon]

My perfect group: Prot War, WW, Enhancement Shaman, (anything), Hpal

[uneven mason]

legit 40k spikes @ 200 ilvl

[crisp dragon]

Sludgefist finally down

[distant crystal]

[sweet summit]

[distant crystal]

imma kill him tonight

did they fix the nerf bugs yet 🤞

[crisp dragon]

No, there's so many visual bugs right now

[short vale]

Too bad there isn’t a heavy bomber firemage style that can benefit from these buffs lol

[quiet geode]

Hey guys why is necro good for tanking

[strong forum]

it isnt

[quiet geode]

hmm

whats the best?

[strong forum]

depends on what you want

all are good for their own reasons

[quiet geode]

i want to tank raids

[strong forum]

NF great overall dmg and m+ stunlocks
Kyrain good overall dmg and tether + potion
Venthyr good ST dmg
Necro, can be good to buff group dps

[charred osprey]

which soulbind does kyrians run this week? pelagos cd reduction on phial looks great and yet.. not sure

[strong forum]

Kleia with the 8 sec immunity

[crisp dragon]

@shut summit I am very dissapointed with no sound on your Mythic SLG kill

TSK TSK TSK

[lime urchin]

venthir bis \o/

[marble summit]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/argent-dawn/Meleekunis
should i replace my necklace with the mists one? its 7 ilevels higher but doesnt have any haste. but on the other hand my haste is far far higher than any of the other stats

[strong forum]

No

Your current neck is the best one you can get

Just get it at a higher ilvl and you're gucci

[marble summit]

yeah, but i have 828 haste, the rest of my stats are basically sub 300

[strong forum]

Doesn't matter

I have 990 haste :)

[marble summit]

alright!

[limpid pawn]

how much dps are you guys doing overall in a key

[strong forum]

Depends on dungeon, but like 4-5.2k

Haven't done alot of keys tho so my average is pretty widespread

[jagged pier]

average is pretty wide spread

im like 4.3k-5.3k and most dungeons high 4ks

[wanton condor]

I'm not that great so 4.2k or so

[fading quiver]

or you can go ultrameme and use seismic reverb and pull like 7-8k

[wanton condor]

run bolster too much

[plush tendon]

Depends on dungeon, but around 3.7k; but I’m necro

[elfin ginkgo]

What's the best tanking guide?

[plush tendon]

Wowhead?

[elfin ginkgo]

oke

[plush tendon]

If ya real desperate you can ask the guys in here to

[elfin ginkgo]

not that desperate quite yet

[jagged pier]

icy veins

not wowhead

[sick sentinel]

Ancient Aftershock knockdown isn't on the same DR as stuns correct?

[jagged pier]

i dont think so

[sick sentinel]

I'm tempting to switch from Necro

Crafting reprisal. Haste verse right?

I don't have a shield trinket though which fleshcraft has been good for.

[blazing condor]

funny how DoS is much easier this week than last

guess thats fortified for you

[hot oxide]

i did, and i love NF. better than kyrian IMO

i went kyrian, necro and now NF

[sick sentinel]

if i switch that will be mine path as well

I'm learning how to do this guys 😄 I'm learning how to tank

[raw pike]

is it really that much better over the vials?

[hot oxide]

i love soul shift for kiting high keys

but, if I could have both I would

your question should be is phial better than after shock.

you gotta figure that out

[winter pulsar]

Locking down a group of mobs for 12 seconds fels great, and the damage is a nice bonus as well.

[raw pike]

yeah, I feel like switching away from kyr will be so painful because i'm so used to phials making some mechs nothing

[unique cloak]

NF best cov 🙂 just swapped this week its lots of fun

got a few big boy parses with it too

[limpid pawn]

damn 4-5k dps overall is a lot

is this as kyrian?

[strange socket]

Can someone please send me a macro to throw Spear of Bastion at my feet so i dont have to aim it?

[elfin ginkgo]

ty

/cast [@player] Spear of Bastion

[patent osprey]

u should use an @cursor instead of @player

[manic scaffold]

Can someone send me an mdt route for sanguine

[mighty valley]

"how much dps do you do" is so variable depending on your dps players too

also how big you can pull and what the affixes are

[fossil cloak]

whats better necro or kirrin?

[mighty valley]

Necrolord can be very good if you're coordinating cooldowns with DPS that really like mastery like boomkin, fire mage

otherwise kyrian will be better for low effort

they're both fine though, pick your fave

[plush tendon]

we did it bois

[sand condor]

2.6%

Sludgefist

[plush tendon]

need more

[sand condor]

Am nf 😦

[sweet summit]

man they

fucking killed

sludge

the "nerfs"

fucks with my brain

[sick sentinel]

[sand condor]

Omg ye

The soaking

Wiped us like 3 times

[sick sentinel]

easy weasy

[sweet summit]

1.5 second soak is muscle memory

so i just

fuck off

and then i think

oops

[spring umbra]

i got the impression earlier that show of force was not recommended as a conduit but subcreation has it as the most common potency conduit for higher keys, any ideas why if its not particularly good?

[mild ruin]

It isnt a particularly recommended conduit for prot

Pretty sure all class covs conduits are better

[mighty valley]

it was listed in a lot of the early guides and doesn't require thought so people prob defaulted to it and never changed

[spring umbra]

yea, so is it a case that ...there is basically nothing better? since the meta is 2xpotency and 2x end?

[mighty valley]

i dunno, i do 1x potency as venthyr

[spring umbra]

it came up cuz im new and just got reprisal. Was wondering if that changed opener since a freee rev would proc it for more TC dmg

ah rgr

[mild ruin]

TC does very little damage

Even with conduit

What cov are you robot?

[spring umbra]

ok cool 🙂 will forget it then lol

kyrian

[mild ruin]

Mmm not overly familiar with yheir trees, id aim for 1 potency and multiple defensive tho tbh

[spring umbra]

this is what i had found as a suggested opener a few days ago "Ravager-charge+avatar-tc revenge-spear-revenge ss+sb" but i figured that with reprisal it would be worth it to swap tc and revenge

[jade vortex]

Does anyone have the most recent info on classes which benefit from banner? I think it was in a google doc

[spring umbra]

first pin

[lavish oracle]

Top pin

[jade vortex]

Ty

[grave crane]

just did a +10 and necrotic is no fun at all thankfully the pally dps walked me through the route lol

[blazing condor]

at this point i could probably do DoS in my sleep

[sick sentinel]

me personally, i was going to continue to do m+ keys in shadowlands, but fuck that

i did theatre of pain on a 7 or something, and i got to the room with the stacking negative damage debuff, aparently that stacks to negative 100%, so, you don't do any damage at all, and then you don't get any threat at all, and they start going all over the place attack whatever they want, and you wipe.

can't self cleanse it unless you have a racial, (dwarf) or a potion, and you're then left at mercy of dps kicking it, or healer (who may or may not be able to remove it btw, because i don't think sham and druid can get rid of it)

[undone verge]

what room is that lol

[sick sentinel]

then you start adding bullshit tornadoe affixes that destroy pug, bolstering, gotta kite and all this shit

just no fuckin way, never going through that shit again

[undone verge]

have I been missing a whole debuff in ToP?

[sick sentinel]

abombination wing, first room there is small trash that add a disease to you, stacking negative damage

it threw me for so much of a loop that i came in here angry right after and i was like "what the hell is that, i NEED to put it on dbm alerts", and i basically gave up tanking that day, did a few keys since but not many or challenging ones

[undone verge]

you might just have gotten the shaft on dps, cause ive never really noticed that debuff

[sick sentinel]

it could have been possibly that i may have pulled an extra group there or too much i dunno

[undone verge]

yeah you might have pulled the second group which also gives the debuff

[sick sentinel]

but, still, i don't have any freinds left on retail, would rather just play classic or something entirely different single player

can't pay me to go back retail now

[stark gull]

Is Ascended vigor any good? Does anyone use it. Mostly asking for high M+ in the 20+ range

[short kiln]

Hey everyone! I just joined the Discord, and am generally new to Wow. (since July?) Fell in love with tanking, started on BDK, played VDH, and almost got Prot to 60... Man I'm LOVING it so far! Can't wait to learn even more from all of you. 🙂

[solemn sage]

i think you mean the withering discharge cast, it can be kicked & stunned so as long as people are on it its not too bad

[mighty valley]

there's only one pack with two of them, for every other one you can just pay attention to it yourself

but yeah, shadowlands m+ is hard if no one kicks

[hot oxide]

Seriously debating moving to a more active guild

[sick sentinel]

yeah, like i said, probably pulled 2 groups or something there, but its more than just some debuff that caused me to quit