OH FR?
#protection
cinder nova
wanton condor
reprisal feels good on HD, not particularly useful on Hunts, haven't tried otherwise
cinder nova
I tried it on M Huntsman.
You can do it, but it's kind of a chore.
I feel like the loss of uptime is against you if you screw up.
Easier to just to Wall.
Reprisal is fucking yoked on Sludge tho
cinder nova
FR? Is Korayne in M+ one of those "if you ain't dying PUMP" chocies?
Bruh I've been doing 16s with Niya like a chump
wooden spruce
on hunts i go with dogs, on p1 i charge it when he jumps to ranged/healers, p2 when he cast the shades i use heroic leap to distance, that way when the dog comes near i use charge, have him at distance from shades and can have extra sb, and on p3 i also do the same when he cast. I us interv on the other tank on p1 and p3, and on p2 i have a melee near me to interv
cinder nova
Oh if you're on dogs yeah I can see it being more useful
Our DH does dogs because magic damage makes my knees weak senpai
So I'm usually just sitting on Altimor utterly braindead
gloomy seal
Reprisal on legs yah?
wooden spruce
dog 2 is just IP and you heal with that, RS to reduce your own shade dmg and if low go with SW or LS, at least SW uptime goes down very fast with AM
wooden spruce
Reprisal on legs yah?
yeh
cinder nova
Reprisal on legs yah?
To take out guesswork, every class uses the same slot prio for legendaries
dapper coral
For Huntsman, you should be bringing Barghast to Huntsman in between Shade/Rip casts for cleave
cinder nova
It's because of item budgeting. Just reference the slot priority and compare it to the highest slot a legendary can be made into.
wooden spruce
For Huntsman, you should be bringing Barghast to Huntsman in between Shade/Rip c...
it's been easier for my guild to have it away than near (tried both ways)
dapper coral
Boots are the better option if you're clearing M SLG
gloomy seal
yah i figured i'll get shrieks boots one day, aint clearing no M SLG for me anytime soon lol
cinder nova
You should bring it in. There's no actual difference if you're doing it right.
gloomy seal
ty
dapper coral
Yeah, moving Barghast in creates idiot checks, so I understand being cautious about it
cinder nova
I mean, not really idiot(s) plural
Just idiot one.
The tank on Barghest
If you do it wrong you will kill your raid.
wooden spruce
Yeah, moving Barghast in creates idiot checks, so I understand being cautious ab...
yeah, we're having issues because we lost half of our raiders 2 weeks ago because of a fight between few people the day i was off (gm & rl)
cinder nova
Oh man I was in a H PUG that was a prog guild and was there for a guild insurrection
It was wild
plush tendon
yeah, we're having issues because we lost half of our raiders 2 weeks ago becaus...
was it about Stormbolt vs double time?
cinder nova
To be fair the GL/RL was a bear druid that was really far up his own ass and wanted to.. what was it?
Oh yeah.
he wanted to to pull SF to the back of the room.
At the opener.
And told the melee to wait there for him
Guy was a total geed.
plush tendon
lol, imagine a tank deciding where a boss is placed in raid. We may control where the boss is, but we all know its the DPS who decide where the boss should be
wooden spruce
was it about Stormbolt vs double time?
na, one of our officers started bringing real life stuff to the game, it started an argue between guild members and exploded with two factions, and one finally leaving the guild and stealing half of our bank
yey
cinder nova
Yeah. It always fucking annoys me when I see raid leaders in PUGs make shitty decisions over positioning and movement.
Just makes a lot of unnecessary downtime or DPS loss.
plush tendon
Boss positioning should always be about maximizing DPS
cinder nova
^^^^^^^^^^^^
plush tendon
if it inconveniences tanks, so be it. Uptime is more important
cinder nova
Bro this tier is smoothbrain tanking for everything but SLG and Sire
plush tendon
IDK man, I had to think a lot about council
at least Mythic Council
otherwise yea, ya boi back on autopilot for Sludgefist
signal plover
Sludge tank solo soaks are fun too
small marsh
I'm absolutely doing this to my raid group
wanton condor
okay, hear me out: seismic reverb on council
wooden spruce
IDK man, I had to think a lot about council
ptsd there for me, still haven't got them and i think i'll have to join another group, get the cd and lock it for my guild mates this week (we're even pugging to get healers now)
wanton condor
get a DK for waiters, chunk chunk chunk
really I just hate how that leggo does nothing at 0 target
should be like "hits again at 20% of max damage per enemy hit up to 100%" or something
hollow pine
Revenge scales of mh dmg right or is it only ap?
wanton condor
everything is AP now
hollow pine
So only white hits affected by weapon dmg?
hollow pine
Auto attacks
hollow pine
Hehe np
mossy sluice
everything is scaled off of weapon dps which is part of the new ap formula more or less
and weapon damage * weapon speed = weapon dps
hollow pine
Oh ok
silk gull
Hey guys, I'm primarily a raider. Is reprisal useful there?
strong forum
absolutely
you can play it on pretty much every boss to great success if you know your timings
light thicket
I still use the wall tho
silk gull
Nice. I was considering reprisal or the wall, but the wall seems so bland
light thicket
Feels more comfortable
mossy sluice
wall is more set and forget
you will get the benefits w/o changing what you do normally
hollow pine
Reprisal makes for fun dynamic gameplay
silk gull
have you used reprisal in raids? still good?
strong forum
im not gonna drop playing reprisal until its bad or there is an actual better leggo
plays amazing in raid imo
hollow pine
Imo it’s the go to and rest is situational
sick sentinel
is bounding strides good this week for dropping necrotic stacks?
mossy sluice
you can run bounding every week
silk gull
thanks all!
torn gust
works for me :v
wooden spruce
im not gonna drop playing reprisal until its bad or there is an actual better le...
imaging getting extra SB & SR or the extra Talent as legion, sweet
strong forum
bounding is always good
strong forum
imaging getting extra SB & SR or the extra Talent as legion, sweet
would be almost useless besides getting another SR
tbh
if theres is no sizeable downtime, you will never reach 3 stacks of SB again anyway
now if you were to say reprsial + that leggo, sure
torn gust
just race change to dwarf/dark iron for necrotic ;y
strong forum
but id think youd rather run seismic , Wall or UW in that case
wooden spruce
that was my point, supposedly hazzikostas said that on an interview 2 moths ago i think
light thicket
just race change to dwarf/dark iron for necrotic ;y
Yeah but you'd have to play alliance...
torn gust
lol yeah thats the down side :y
plush tendon
plays Dwarf to negate necrotic, cant find a M+ group
torn gust
oof
torn gust
so whats the horde race for 20+?
wooden spruce
Yeah but you'd have to play alliance...
i like playing as a ex miner that went to war with my ally toon
ionic fern
so whats the horde race for 20+?
Literally anything.
torn gust
whoa :v
plush tendon
Ive always been Horde; glad the decision I made 10 years ago would be the right one
wooden spruce
Literally anything.
even kul'tirans are not worth?
wooden spruce
What did he say?
x2 (at work so cant play audio haha)
strong forum
even kul'tirans are not worth?
Kultiran really isnt all that amazing
its like 30hps
and 1% vers
HMT also offers 1% vers
wooden spruce
(i play human with my war thou)
strong forum
play dwarf instead
torn gust
^
signal plover
What did he say?
"why not necro? Cuz it SUX!"
lofty widget
play nelf if you want something nice to look at tho..
wooden spruce
dont like the looks of some armor on them haha, but is it more worth dwarf or didwarf
plush tendon
play nelf if you want something nice to look at tho..
Female Nelf 😏
lofty widget
wink wink
wind surge
not horde tho
light thicket
Not interested in looking at grandmas
wind surge
light thicket
But you do you man
signal plover
Night elf gurls are grandmas?
light thicket
Probably
signal plover
Interesting
plush tendon
https://clips.twitch.tv/CrypticCarelessArtichokeCoolStoryBro-hVcWb1_r2MhlnNvw
I mean, hes probably not totally wrong (sad cause I like Necro) but Ill be damned if I go back Kyrian like him
blazing condor
ah alright thanks
grave crane
What you using it for?
grave crane
Shit I may look into that. J need to be an engy to use?
strong forum
yuh its belt enchant
wooden spruce
aside from the jokes, is dwarf worth below +20? i mean the higher i've done is +13 (because i like to do it with friends, wink wink), and also if it would be better dwarf or dark iron dwarf
strong forum
no
racials arent worth swapping for unless you do ultra keys
or wanna push that top 10 parse
wooden spruce
then i will stay with my boring non fantasy rpg human
at least i get 10% extra rep
hot oxide
sigh...another mythic 0 carry, another " Should of rolled a DH" comment....i'm a stop being nice..
blazing condor
as if prot warrs are bad lmao
wooden spruce
lol VDH got pooped on
and got their magic reduction nerfed (or fixed as it should be) -15%
cinder nova
Did Pelagos get fixed?
plush tendon
Yea
hot oxide
yes
wooden spruce
yeh
hot oxide
wonder how DHs fair now
hot oxide
might haft to take a gander
strong forum
dhs arent fixed yet
spring mountain
Is ignore pain effected by nercotic?
strong forum
yes
cinder nova
Any fights in CN where Korayne is competitive?
sweet summit
sunking/council/slg mythic
strong forum
only for padding
hot oxide
lol
cinder nova
IF I DON'T HAVE A BIG PP ON THE METER MY LIFE IS INCOMPLETE
strong forum
wooden spruce
IF I DON'T HAVE A BIG PP ON THE METER MY LIFE IS INCOMPLETE
overcompensate?
hot oxide
how much renown do you get from the whole campaign?
i'm waiting till renown 15 to start mine
sweet summit
1 per chapter?
cinder nova
Not a lot of reason to.
cinder nova
Only the weekly two are the lockout
sweet summit
think so?
hot oxide
damnit
cinder nova
I just farmed all my renown as DPS in dungeon queues while doing the whole campaign.
hot oxide
i wanted enough to push me to 30
cinder nova
Got to 33 and used the weekly 2 to finish me off at 35 for the stam buff
Let the rest just trickle in on its own since it's irrelevant
You can get to 30 in a week?
In less than week
hot oxide
ZOMG TITLES ARE NOT IRRELEVENT! J:KLSJS:JLFJ:O
cinder nova
A day or so
strong forum
im still not 40
didnt even get 1k ap this week let alone the 20 souls last week even
fuck renown
cinder nova
Do you already have 226 conduits?
strong forum
no
cinder nova
Go get your conduits you slack fuck
spring crescent
Reprisal on legs correct?
strong forum
yes
strong forum
Go get your conduits you slack fuck
no
spring crescent
tyty
strong forum
fucking 3dps gain not worth the effort
cinder nova
It's legit just a daily trip to the maw for like 15 minutes
Collective maybe 2 hrs spread out over a week
wanton condor
wait, did they stealth nerf VDH?
hot oxide
but the maw sucks
strong forum
wait, did they stealth nerf VDH?
?
cinder nova
I guess if you aren't a worgen
hot oxide
not stealth, but did nerf
ionic fern
im still not 40
Mad.
wanton condor
link?
cinder nova
I can get around pretty fucking ez
hot oxide
^ is a worgen
strong forum
they nerfed VDH dmg on 9.0.5
strong forum
but their magic thing still exists
cinder nova
Gotta get that crit racial for the pumper
strong forum
yes vdh still pumps
wanton condor
and yeah, don't see changes to the magic defenses
strong forum
idk what people are on about
hot oxide
9.1 i'll be race switching to kul tiran
cinder nova
You can check the logs and tank rankings in CN on Mythic
The highest parses show VDH sagging
strong forum
who cares about ST dmg
theyre still 400 dps better than pwar was all of 9.0
so chill your horses
normal coral
If you take brutal vitality does that put never surrender over indomitable??
strong forum
never
cinder nova
That's aggregate including cleave fights 🤔
normal coral
cause you need an active IP for the conduit to really shine
cinder nova
The amount of DPS they do in AOE isn't enough to place them higher on the ranks.
It's hardly relevant.
hot oxide
I don't see us over taking DH as the Mythic tank tbh
unless something drastic happens
are we better or same as pally tanks now? i haven't checked in 2 weeks
strong forum
The amount of DPS they do in AOE isn't enough to place them higher on the ranks.
idk chief
wanton condor
raids generally gonna want 1 monk/warrior/dh/mage/priest, if arms/fury aren't great they'll take a protwar
as tank you can fill in any class and be fine
strong forum
^
strong forum
are we better or same as pally tanks now? i haven't checked in 2 weeks
we've been better than pally all of SL
cinder nova
Pally has been top all of SL iirc
wooden spruce
raids generally gonna want 1 monk/warrior/dh/mage/priest, if arms/fury aren't gr...
or go full NF boomkin
wanton condor
tanks are generally going to be brought by raid buffs > tanky enough to get by with less heals > dps
strong forum
^
wanton condor
if WW and Arms/Fury and Havoc all suck though?
hot oxide
I was happy as fuck when CLimit used a warr tank for their whole progression
cinder nova
wanton condor
monk and war going to fight for that spot
cinder nova
VDH is falling behind
hot oxide
its like a dps with a shield
wanton condor
like if hpal is good that's your 3% DR aura covered
if WW and MW are bad you probably want a brew
cinder nova
Even on the per second amounts VDH is behind Nom
hot oxide
we can all agree Pally/Dk are trash
cinder nova
It can.
wanton condor
if you already cover all the other bases sure
cinder nova
It's not high on the list of shit you ought to be putting hard effort into minmaxing as a raid
But it's definitely not something you should slack on
strong forum
pwar was 20% behind every tank in 9.0 dmg wise, thats substantial, hence why we got our buff, dh being behind by like 1% is literally irrelevant
cinder nova
That's pretty irrelevant. If you aren't dying to mechanics or struggling with survival you should personally be pushing damage as hard as you can.
Anything besides that is short-changing your raid.
strong forum
thats a given
wanton condor
nobody is saying that, as a tank player, you should sleep instead of dps
we're talking raid comp
and raid value
you should pink parse at least every time
cinder nova
Or at least try to
strong forum
and dps output of a tank is the factor you consider the least when picking a tank for your raid comp
hot oxide
what if we talk about mythic? i dont raid...
strong forum
you will never say "oh i dont want a warri pwar cuz his dps sucks"
cinder nova
Even less.
cinder nova
Mythic is all about raid utility.
cinder nova
What can a tank do for a raid? Roar? Brez? Both good abilities raids like. Grip? Definitely useful on more than one fight. Strong self-healing? Frees up healers on high damage encounters.
Warrior has Rally, which is a pretty decent healer CD.
strong forum
What can a tank do for a raid? Roar? Brez? Both good abilities raids like. Grip?...
Raid Buffs, Raid CDs
thats it
wooden spruce
well on some classes ppl are going more on the dps check than surv; i.e. DK, they have strong surv legs but they preffer to aim for the dps check (and the combination when 2 lgs are up is going to be even better, but they'll still choose dmg over surv)
cinder nova
Rhetorical questions, Nom.
opaque hearth
r
cinder nova
Warrior tanks are sorta in atm since warrior DPS is kinda dogshit and Rally is pretty good, even more with the rally conduit. It lets them do shout for your group if they need/want it.
Lots of casters are top DPS so VDH with their debuff is huge since havoc is meh.
noble wedge
Reprisal what should i craft it on ? boots or legs
hot oxide
legs
cinder nova
Throw on WW or MW for mystic touch and make sure you have INT and Fort and your bases are pretty much covered.
A single aff lock for cookies
Then stack mage, hunter, and UDK until your eyes bleed
Hooray and a cheer, you got a mythic raid
signal plover
Ya missed boomers
hot oxide
lol
cinder nova
I mean, boomkin yeah - it's good, but mage/MM have immunities
And immunes > boomkin
Rdruid is pretty good after the buffs and can be your brez
So
¯_(ツ)_/¯
signal plover
Not when your hunters are flipperhands
cinder nova
Oh fuck what happened.
hot oxide
signal plover
Although I think BM is 📈 which will allow em to use more thumbs on the move.
cinder nova
What
hot oxide
its the lego
cinder nova
What leggo?
strong forum
Is Arcane gear-dependent or something? 🤔
there is 1 arcanne dude massively inflating arcane logs
very few representation of a huge pumper inflates the statistic
hot oxide
he's doing a damn good job
grizzled nova
I've had several arcane mages in keys that were absolutely huge pumpers as well.
strong forum
not denying that
but having less than 5 arcanes mages clear CN inflates statistics
so obv the average is gonna be huge
if the average is this high
wanton condor
I hate using all bosses stats
strong forum
yup
wanton condor
boomies are massively inflated due to fights like council
and there's some awkwardness with Sin now being up there with spriest and ele in terms of constant ST damage but is lower due to a lack of aoe scaling
but you wouldn't know that looking at it
plush tendon
You can look at damage dealt to bosses to see sins big dam; there’s a lot of ways to read logs and present information
wooden spruce
MM aren't high anymore
today they got buffed thou
plush tendon
yea, they still lower middle of the pack for ST
dont bring anything that you really want to write home to mom about
plush tendon
I would be very happy if we just turned our two hunters into shamans
But again, casual Mythic guild, play what you want
light thicket
Earth shock is hitting like a truck now ive been said
plush tendon
Shamans have been doing very well this tier, but were not showcased in race to world first because of their lego acquisition.
Im very high on elemental shaman (and one day enhance when melee aint cucked and windfury becomes juicy)
lusty ember
Yeah ele has been pulling weight in both keys and m+
I swear I'll never get used to a surprise earth ele in pugs though
plush tendon
Anytime I group with a shaman, I tell them to pop that shit on CD
wanton condor
my main is ele, generally on top of the meters in raid these days for hunts/hd at least
total poppin' off
plush tendon
They just dont the same recognition right now cause, you know, fire and balance exist
unkempt raptor
I’m new too tanking and reprisal seems scary is the wall ok for mythic+
Or should I get over it and learn how to play with reprisal
plush tendon
Reprisal is generally the play, but the wall isnt bad
lofty widget
i would recommend just learning reprisal, once you get the hang of it it is very rewarding
plush tendon
or make em both at 190, try em both out and then decide what to upgrade first 😄
unkempt raptor
And if I do go the wall I always run AM?
plush tendon
If using the Wall, you take Bolster
unkempt raptor
Oh ok
wanton condor
other than raid, you can run AM with the wall
unkempt raptor
Ok thank you I already got reprisal made so I’ll just stick with it
light thicket
Yeah you should learn reprisal
Dont be afraid of it
You'll feel better once you've mastered it
flint cliff
i would recommend just learning reprisal, once you get the hang of it it is very...
Whats is the big deal on lerning reprisal? Its charge, automatic defence (shieldblock) up and instant agro (revenge! buff) without having spent any rage at that point? Same with interven on top infight. Could Not live without anymore in Keys!
unkempt raptor
Yea I usually dps but wanted to tank and did 12 top and I was not sure if I was using it right
naive panther
Learning it, you do a whole lot of stuff you never did before. Like getting out of melee range just to charge back in, keeping charge and intervene on cd, playstyle dramatically changes.
ionic fern
Whats is the big deal on lerning reprisal? Its charge, automatic defence (shiel...
Managing SB charges properly
Positioning correctly for Intervene
Thinking ahead before using Heroic Leap to get out of range of enemies to Charge back in since it's our main distancing tool
Thinking ahead before AoE stunning a pack of enemies just to get a Charge off in case you are going to DR it for something more important
Etcetcetc
Sure you could just use all your stuff on CD and not care about it but there are a lot of nuances to it.
unkempt raptor
So since I’m new to tanking how do warriors deal with necrotic I know this is a pretty blanket question so might not have the most direct answer
ionic fern
By kiting. 🙂
Stun - Run
Heroic Leap
Intervene
So you stay inside while you get to the point of Necrotic stacks that you're comfortable with and start kiting with the methods mentioned above.
unkempt raptor
Ok thanks
ionic fern
Dwarf/Dark iron dwarf racials and Kyrian potion also resets necrotic.
pastel cobalt
Can someone help me out? I already have the 226 cloak, i have 220 proc pvp trink and slg 220. The gloves are crit mas and the gloves i have are vers/mas 220
pastel cobalt
thanks dad
grizzled nova
yo am I bad, or is that second pull after 3rd boss in SD like
completely unmanageable now that you can't split it
lofty widget
ive always skipped that, even when you could split it. its just not worth it considering how difficult it is
unkempt raptor
What trinkets should I aim for is the sun king one not good I did not see them in the guide
wanton condor
I refuse to skip it just because somebody's gonna die in the gauntlet
lofty widget
What trinkets should I aim for is the sun king one not good I did not see them i...
sun king is only good if youre progging content, whether that be high keys or raid, i would probably get scale and SLG (for m+ that is)
unkempt raptor
Ok thanks again
flint cliff
Managing SB charges properly
Positioning correctly for Intervene
Thinking ahead ...
Okay understood. And with the wall instead? Just smash buttons with closed eyes while getting smacked by the npcs?
blissful thicket
slg?
wooden spruce
thought trinkets were decanter & phial/scale
lofty widget
stone legion heraldry from generals
light thicket
Okay understood. And with the wall instead? Just smash buttons with closed eyes ...
No, you take charge and intervene out of the rotation
red tree
Does Kleia's immunity ability ascendant phial prevent you from getting necrotic?
light thicket
You dont have to think about getting out and back in
You just have to manage your SB charges and keep in mind that SW is gonna be up sooner
gritty sapphire
Hey guys. I’m a lifelong tank in MMOs. Been playing VDH since Legion in WoW, and I’m thinking of leveling a prot warrior up to tank next raid tier. On paper, it looks like prot would be a superior raid tank, but I keep hearing from the community that it can’t touch VDH as things stand. I get that for m+, because of the kiting meta, but what do guys think in regards to raids comparing the two?
hot oxide
just remember complexity limit cleared mythic world first with a prot warr on all fights as it's MT
small marsh
Prot good
Prot fun
People talk about meta specs but like, any hunter spec can clap the absolutely shit out of most Boomies in the game rn by just playing well. Are you gonna get a little less for your efforts? Yeah, duh. But not so much so that it's worth giving a shit about class balance unless you're chasing like M+ 25 keys or trying to compete for world first mythic.
Fuck meta play what you love and play it well enough that you can rub it in people's faces if they turn their nose up at your off-meta spec.
On most fights I'd bet that Boomies aren't exceeding the possible capabilities of hunters until they're pushing like 80th percentile.
small marsh
They did but I'd bet top tier hunter players can still absolutely ream most fire mages and boomkins
dapper coral
is there any way to avoid damage in the maw from 10 stacks of the debuff besides Kleia?
as a warrior*
vestal sun
Key to survivability of prot is spamming SB and IP?
Did Spires 15 and healer said it was pretty stressful.
Any tips on self healing?
remote tusk
That's pretty low Ignore Pain
vestal sun
That's pretty low Ignore Pain
Yeah, that's what i thought.
remote tusk
Mine is usually above Indomitable even
Well if the healer says it is stressfull /shrug
ionic fern
This is the +15 i just did. 👀
dapper coral
Mine is usually above Indomitable even
👀
vestal sun
link log
Sorry, wasn't recording logs.
I am just not sure if I am dealing with magical damage right.
true bison
I have the same issue, but I’m also leveling prot and only 55
ionic fern
Granted on higher keys like 18+ i do tend to use IP a bit more.
sweet summit
spires is all about kicks and shit
vestal sun
if that helps...
remote tusk
Spell Reflect
vestal sun
Oh yeah, thought I was not pressing it enough too.
remote tusk
4 Spell Reflects is pretty poor though 😂
sweet summit
yeah true
vestal sun
yeah, sorry... that's the best i can provide now.
sweet summit
just for next time 😉
vestal sun
if my healer won't leave me 🙂
sweet summit
im always happy to help with looking at logs 
remote tusk
vestal sun
4 Spell Reflects is pretty poor though 😂
need to work on dose reflect, yeah...
small marsh
Anyone have a good WA or add-on for reflects? I have a WA but it's garbage and I hate it
thorn narwhal
used to hate that i was ven for tanking but gate of shadows is pretty gr8 for waddling away on necro week
sweet summit
Key to survivability of prot is spamming SB and IP?
Did Spires 15 and healer sai...
are you not using condemn? 👀
thorn narwhal
your IP is very low
dapper coral
and even then
thorn narwhal
my IP is routinely 2x my indomitable
sweet summit
o thats way higher than ive ever seen
vestal sun
are you not using condemn? 👀
Probably not enough.
Was saving up rage for defensives.
ionic fern
When i'm using IP "more" it's usually just even with Indom or SLIGHTLY above it.
vestal sun
Was pretty scared.
sweet summit
you can pretty much ignore revenge and ignore pain on bosses and use condemn over both
remote tusk
Oh he is Venthyr... yeah something is missing there then 😂
sweet summit
vestal sun
you can pretty much ignore revenge and ignore pain on bosses and use condemn ove...
Did not know that, just treated it as rage dump.
remote tusk
thorn narwhal
it basically is
dapper coral
The Condemn absorb is roughly 70% of an IP
for that specific target
and situationally better b/c it's 100% absorb of the damage
vestal sun
@sweet summit
I'll be back with more detailed logs this week.
Roast me then without mercy please.
remote tusk
bring ketchup.
wooden spruce
who wants to be my sugar viking and link me a gud wa i can use for both tanking and dpsing? (got a little bit ignored on # wa thread)
light thicket
Sorry friend, got nothing special for you
cinder nova
When i'm using IP "more" it's usually just even with Indom or SLIGHTLY above it.
This. With decent healers and good use of your CDs and not busting your load early with Shield Block you can suspend the need to just blast IP to survive.
thorn narwhal
I just maintain it v :S v
elfin nova
my warrior got the scale 😮
strong forum
Ive gained a total of 1.2k valor
And upgraded the scale to 220
Just get lucky lol
remote tusk
I got it on my only run in DoS.
strong forum
Same
remote tusk
But does yours have Speed 😮
tame valley
what number of necrotic stacks to start kiting
uneven wagon
y'all go into the fray for single target raid fights?
I feel like i should but i cba
elfin nova
my warrior is (or was) a baby char two weeks ago
i capped valor
and upgraded a socketed NW wing, NW helm, main hand, shoulders...
it's been pretty good
strong forum
what number of necrotic stacks to start kiting
30ish or 40 if youre still healthy
If you know the pack will die and you're still healthy don't kite at all
plush tendon
Overwhelming power crystal at 226.... thoughts?
floral pewter
should be great for dps, aligns with every other avatar/ravager
plush tendon
will replace a 213 spike
or i get a vers heavy crit ring
well i took it... but totally forgot i have a 226 BSS.... guess double on use!
lime urchin
blegh, I am stepping into the world of +18's
and it seems I stepped in the world of depleting keys
I am being punished a lot by stuff that I think did not exist before
sweet summit
who wants to be my sugar viking and link me a gud wa i can use for both tanking ...
im using this https://wago.io/B56qDKFvW with the sub auras and everything
prisma trail
I mainly fury deeps but wanna try prot. Would anyone know how to make /or have an enduring gloom WA to monitor absorb and time remaining after door of shadows?
sweet summit
I mainly fury deeps but wanna try prot. Would anyone know how to make /or have a...
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prisma trail
Ayee clutch tyvm
sweet summit
cant test it as im not venthyr, but i hope it works 
prisma trail
Will lyk on mobile atm
wispy coral
y'all go into the fray for single target raid fights?
Into the fray gives you so much value in raid
Mostly because of your party size
remote tusk
Not playing 4 warriors for all covenants, smh
dapper coral
Just play 1 warrior w/ all 4 covenents 4head
vivid hull
Is crafting reprisal on legs a must or can I get away with crafting it on shoes?
mighty valley
The difference is pretty small and also better if you ever get to mythic SLG
floral pewter
I am being punished a lot by stuff that I think did not exist before
I did not know the Manastorms had mechanics until I had to fight them on +15
I think there are a lot of bosses like that, with stuff that's ignorable until it just wipes you
mighty valley
also all of our legendary choices might shuffle wildly in 9.1 so i wouldn't stress tooooooooooooooooo much
remote hawk
So are prots using the sharpening stones for weps or the oils ? I've been using stones since they are favord for furys but what is preferred?
prisma trail
/macros
sweet summit
oil+phantom fire on ST
stones+str in AoE
remote hawk
So stones all good for.m+ then
sweet summit
yeah
remote hawk
Thank you
floral pewter
so I shouldn't be defaulting to Embalmer's Oil? >.>
floral pewter
I mean, a self-heal oil isn't much of a healer oil either, unless you're an hpal
but sure, makes sense
sweet summit
idk ive never seen anyone outside of healers use that oil
floral pewter
yeah, there's no weapon oil that actually makes you heal better, it's odd
distant crystal
it's a healer oil in that it buffs the healer potion
but really it seems like it'd be a good tank oil, i used it a handful of times at the beginning of xpac on my vdh, along with that silly tank weap enchant
but now i'm a chad vdh that uses shadowcore and lightless + sinful
modern brook
Imagine saying ur a Chad and only using 1 lightless smh
sweet summit
:truetrue:
lavish token
Is the Inscrutable Quantum Device good for prot? I just got a 226 one.
sweet summit
not great
remote tusk
Embalmer's Oil works on damage or healing. It heals/absorbs a small amount of damage but has quite a high price chance.
Proc
wooden spruce
im using this <https://wago.io/B56qDKFvW> with the sub auras and everything <:pe...
just got home from work, thanks @sweet summit
sweet summit
Nice!
static garnet
reprisal for m+ and wall for raid is the way to go unless we can utilize reprisal in raid fights?
sweet summit
mighty valley
reprisal for m+ and wall for raid is the way to go unless we can utilize reprisa...
yeah, generally. there are arguments for wall in m+ dungeons/weeks with more scary magic damage
atomic flicker
I find reprisal is good for sludgefist
Charge on each knock back
- focus macro intervene on other tank
upbeat pelican
stat priority on repirsal for necro war?
mighty valley
does intervening your cotank on sludge not make you take an enormous hit? is it ok if it's blocked?
sweet summit
It does
It hurts
sweet summit
stat priority on repirsal for necro war?
Haste vers on reprisal
quasi temple
Howdy, I know Anger Management is the go-to talent for more DPS but i'm wondering with the Reprisal buffs if Heavy Repercussions is a better take over Bolster in M+ for survivability. Playing around with it it seemed very close to 100% uptime on Shield Block with HR so i was wondering if anyone with more experience has tried it out and has any thoughts on it
sweet summit
HR is never the play
mighty valley
a friend on the prot paladin discord told me a story of a tank who was struggling on sludge and wanted people to check his logs. the first question was "why did you put blessing of sacrifice on your cotank?"
the second question was why he went ten full seconds without receiving a single heal
sweet summit
AM is the go to everywhere
Bolster can see play in high SoA/SD keys maybe
I tried Bolster in a mists earlier today, and got 90% blocked hits. Compared to the 80% i have with AM. Doesnt seem too crazy of a difference in that regard
Youre obviously losing out on a lot of damage too, by not having AM
sick sentinel
What key level
outer solstice
Oh here we go again with HR 
sick sentinel
Hmm, well if you play good with the legendary Bolster can be less useful yeah
astral crystal
233 shield yuge
outer solstice
Gz
sweet summit
Letsgoooooo
sick sentinel
nice
sweet summit
To add to the HR vs Bolster vs AM thing
AM grants more frequent SW uses, which helps a lot against bleeds/magic damage etc. So places like plaguefall and first 2/3rds of DoS its yuge
quasi temple
Got distracted sorry, i know AM is better DPS wise, i'm just wondering on Bolster vs Heavy Rep with the new changes. I can't think of any reason myself why Bolster is better than HR apart from saving GCD's in extra large pulls now that Rep got buffed.
Should say i'm not doing crazy high keys and i'm a main BM, just looking to start learning prot
quasi temple
It got buffed in 9.0.5 i believe? Or what made it became popular all of a sudden i have no idea, i know it got buffed too much then nerfed on the beta, but the unnerfed version went live so they had to fix that
sweet summit
It got reworked yeah
quasi temple
Ah reworked okay
And yeah i did notice the RNG element to HR
RNG + Ragecapping due to GCD dumping were the 2 downsides i had when trying it out
sweet summit
You go Bolster over HR because you have full control over it
tiny remnant
When trying to use reprisal correctly, do you use your charge/intervene to gain SB after you have used your ability stacks?
Excluding the charge into a pull
sweet summit
You use charge and intervene asap to get them on CD
And one SB charge
To have it recharging
tiny remnant
You use charge and intervene asap to get them on CD
Do you use both charge stacks in the opening of a pull then? And keep a hold of one SB ability stack to use just in case, sort of similar to a BRM's PBs?
sweet summit
Nah, just one+regular SB
Intervene when low on rage/need SB
Step back and charge if you see a good opotrunity to do so
manic scaffold
<:literallytrash:752422340150820914>
well fuck me then
i shoulda got the 223 chest
fuck
tiny remnant
Step back and charge if you see a good opotrunity to do so
So I presume you can use things such as HL or perhaps highmountain tauren charge etc. to get room to charge again when appropriate, and then keep the normal SB ability on recharge too with rage? Cheers for the help
quasi temple
I've been treating Shield Block like Purifying Brew in terms of charges yea, always keep 1 ticking and only pop itwith 1 charge if its a high pressure moment
Or i should say, if you know you won't need it
sweet summit
You dont need to heroic leap or anything to charge mid combat. Like if someone stuns just walk back abit and charge, ot shockwave then charge etc
But yeah
Always keep at leadt one charge of charge, and one charge of shield block on cooldown. Ideally intervene too
If they sit off cooldown its lost shield block uptime, lost damage and lost rage
tiny remnant
Yeah
sweet summit
And we dont like losing
tiny remnant
Just trying to get use to how to appropriately get those additional charges in so that I am not being a nuisance to my melee dps
tiny remnant
I have been using HL to try and get a 'charge charge' off when stuns aren't useful etc. though
yeah I have had that too
sweet summit
sweet summit
Doesnt matter
Boss died
chilly brook
chilly brook
Heard sludge is bugged
I'm just trying not to lose my mind to people breaking chains lmao
rogue stays in during stomp
gets yeeted
breaks my chain
sweet summit
🐒
distant crystal
I got murdered by my chain partner using fleshcraft during the pushback
with the soulbind that prevents cc during it
hot oxide
Gotta admit that is just smart
grizzled forge
does phial not work on kaal tank mechanic anymore or?
distant crystal
works on heroic but not mythic iirc
astral crystal
does phial not work on kaal tank mechanic anymore or?
That got changed very early on in the tier
dapper coral
is there any way to filter "execute" damage on WCL?
like damage done to mob below 20/25/30%?
Specifically looking for damage to Goliath on M SLG after they've put up the debuff
analog tide
This is more of a general question but how hard would it be to find a spot on a roster as a prot warrior at this point?
distant crystal
You're hired!
analog tide
plush tendon
This is more of a general question but how hard would it be to find a spot on a ...
Not that hard; as long as you arent shit and die a bunch, prot provides raid buff, raid CD, and ok ST damage
analog tide
I was just curious since I'm looking at the forums and no-one is recruiting tanks.
hot oxide
Usually haft to get in on the ground floor on a guild as a tank
Or be geared to the nuts
distant crystal
even when guilds aren't recruiting tanks specifically
you'd be surprised how many people are only tanking out of necessity and would jump at the chance to swap back to preferred spec
sour hill
Is there a cap on duration for shield block?
sour hill
thanks!
torn gust
oof
patent osprey
Goodbye my banner bois
torn gust
what you switched too?
patent osprey
Kyrian
torn gust
ah nice nice
radiant summit
is it for comp or banner no longer good?
turbid cargo
....how in the shit did I not know necro warriors got banner as a permanent cosmetic
I've literally never read it anywhere
small marsh
Welcome back too-hoo owl town!!
patent osprey
@radiant summit Comp. No kyrians in group
torn gust
oof, gotta have a kryian in the group
i might to the same, go back to kyrian. need those spears for the big packs
fringe patrol
reprisal on legs or feet and why?
hot oxide
NF been treating me good
deft sapphire
I was just curious since I'm looking at the forums and no-one is recruiting tank...
Honestly from what I’ve experienced the best way is to join a guild as a dps and show you want to tank in keys or whenever a situation arises that the current tanks aren’t available
Kinda sucks but most guilds tanks are there cause they are stable and always show up
sick sentinel
reprisal on legs or feet and why?
Most people say legs because it has higher stats. I am gonna make boots because i have better non leggo legs and the boot options with haste are fewer
deft sapphire
The total str diff if you craft the wrong piece is like 5 str and a few secondaries
No big deal
analog tide
Honestly from what I’ve experienced the best way is to join a guild as a dps and...
Ty for the tip 🙂
It'll be good to learn Arms too
more to learn and improve with
deft sapphire
Now might be a good time too, if tanks want to reroll for next tier
sick sentinel
I am venthyr prot. Would it be that much of a benefit to go kyrian or NF?. I like the general draven soulbind.
analog tide
I'm new to raiding in general, I just play tanks in other games so I kinda gravitated towards it here; playing DPS is probably better to do for first raid experience
sick sentinel
Venthyr works nice for my fury build too.
fringe marten
Attentiondeficit honestly tanks in WoW deal with less mechanics and aren't scrutinized nearly as much as dps classes are for optimizing your damage burst/rotation IE your value being judged by a bar on a meter. The downside is that since you have to deal with less mechanics you HAVE to do them perfectly or everyone dies..you can make mistakes in 'easier' content like Raid Finder, or 'Normal' raid difficulty. You can also out gear Heroic difficulty so improper play can be covered up by good healers, or very strong DPS. Still you can only 'mess up' a small amount before it causes the encounter to fail (you die, other tank can't sustain alone..raid dies).
But up through most of the games content you can get away with being a mediocre tank, if even that strong. You don't have to utilize your full kit, know every trick in every dungeon..etc. Being a DPS means you are basically going to be judged by 1 metric; a damage meter bar... and people tend to point out 'bad' dps pretty quickly...I think it's difficult to slide by being a mediocre to bad dps than it is a tank. However being a tank also puts a huge spotlight on you; when you make a mistake it's instantly obvious who did it.
But once you progress into 'difficult' content relative to the current curve..you can't get by being a bad tank.
I would never advocate trying to 'get by' with improper play from anyone; but in the vast majority of the content of the game you can do exactly that without being a strong player..as a tank.
You have to be prepared to have people scrutinize you, or blame you for failures even when they aren't your fault...or have a huge spotlight on you when it IS your fault; be able to dust yourself off and try again and play 'right'. I however feel, mechanically speaking...playing a dps 'well' is more difficult and demanding...and much more competitive.
gusty geyser
Struggling on vault choice - 226 trinkets, anima field emitter vs spare meat hook. Any input appreciated
currently have 213 scale for other trinket
fringe marten
I've literally never gotten a meat hook? but wanted one as a toy..but it's the anima field emitter for sure.
You'll have a solid PPM trinket and a great on use. The hook is not only one use; it's one you won't really use as anything other than a 'fun toy'.
gusty geyser
That's where I was leaning from the haste value. Never used one and wasn't sure how awkward the fields might be
fringe marten
Oh if you've never used an anima emitter before; you'll dig it.
it's a very solid trinket the up time on the 'field' is good. Yeah you'll just have to move out of it sometimes for mechanics/kiting/whatever but that doesn't diminish how good of a trinket it is.
gusty geyser
Thank you very much! Choice has been made!
dark lark
Progging on Darkvein. While my survivability isn't a major problem, 2 stacks of the dot with overlaps of the various mechanics can be pretty dicey. Any tips?
Just as a brainstorm, maybe I should alternate shield reflect and demo shout after the swap while pouring rage into IP to help mitigate the ticking damage a little
fringe marten
Build and burn rage on IP as much as you can when you're the off tank; and not on the big red add; the big red add is the only mob that really needs blocking, even darkvein barely needs it.. also: Have yourself and your cotank keep tight tabs on the timer of the dot; often times you can maintain only 1 stack for quite a few taunt rotations on 1 tank.
dark lark
You can swap on 1?
fringe marten
2 stacks is the 'safe' intended way to do the encounter..IE you'll never run into taunt DR.
But you can keep only 1 stack for a chunks of the encounter at a time..and only 1 tank will be forced to take 2. But you have to watch the timer on your cotank and he watch yours...or 1 of you calls the swap (which is what I was doing for our kills)
IE you have 1 stack...your cotank has 2, but you taunted off him like? 10 seconds ago..
his stacks JUST faded, or are going to fade in like 1 second...and she's going to cast on you in 2 or 3 seconds. You can call the swap then...so now you avoided the 2nd stack, and the stacks drop from cotank..before she casts..so now he's at 1 as well. And now yours will drop in a few seconds..you can take her back, Keeping just 1 stack on him as well..
What that will do however is risk taunt DR (Dimnishing returns) and might but not guaranteed..cause taunts to basically be ineffective for 1 full taunt refresh (IE even if you heroic leap and reset, and retaunt it may not work if she's taunt immune for a few seconds)
But it does work and does lessen the load on your healers a good bit, and makes the encounter very easy for us to mitigate.
Also remember what makes it dangerous is tanking the big red add when you have stack/s of her dot. Hold spell reflect for his cast, you can reflect the first cast..negating the increase in damage her dot does to you.
(he will likely live to cast a 2nd, maybe even a 3rd..But youll be swapping with cotank by the 2nd cast from the big red add most likely)
stray gazelle
@patent osprey was necrolord not good
dark lark
@fringe marten great stuff, I'll work on those
amber siren
it's hard to line up the banner with everyone's cooldowns, it's not terrible but it's situational to the point where it's niche really
fringe marten
I was on his stream when he talked about going kyrian this week (not sure if he did yet?) But he basically said...it's a lot of extra coordination and work for not a huge gain, and a sizable personal loss in dps compared to Fae or Kyrian.
Which was also his (and my) feelings on the reprisal legendary as well.. It's very good, but ugh it's a lot of extra legwork (literally lol) for the benefit of being able to run anger management for a bit of a boost in damage.
amber siren
Reprisal isn't just for the revenge damage, it's a huge boost in SB uptime
fringe marten
That's the thing..it's not huge.
It WAS huge on day 1, when it was 6 seconds...and I was able to run one dungeon with it like that.
patent osprey
Necrolord felt ass to play and it was never really fully utilized. Healer always kept getting it and/or melee dps over boomy/mage. Very hard to use, but if done well, could be BIS.
fringe marten
Necrolord, and the Reprisal legendary...are very similar to something like the Macabre sheet music trinket..
Sims say it's amazing..on paper it looks amazing; you actually use it and you go "ehhh.."
amber siren
Uhhhh, OK.
fringe marten
There is value in things being easy/simple/uncomplicated to use.
amber siren
I don't think many people would find intercepting or charging very hard but I guess I'm too smart for my own good.
fringe marten
If I'm going to push way more buttons, or have to track (make weak auras) for even more stuff ..on top of all the things I'm already doing it needs to be worth it.
amber siren
This is bordering way too hard of anecdotal my dude.
fringe marten
Yes, you and other people in this channel say the same thing.."it's easy for me to do shockwave/charge or just intercept my focus melee target..etc" Wonderful. I never said it was bad, and I'm glad you want to do that.
It's not; and I've used reprisal and wall and Tlords and even seismic quite a bit in both raids and M+.
amber siren
I don't think you know what anecdote means
fringe marten
Every time this discussion comes up a few people rally around reprisal and defend it like this is some kind of religious or political debate. Like you have to defend your choice because it HAS to be right.
jagged pier
this arugment is dumb leggo are subjective dont like repirsal run the wall its just as good
fringe marten
^
amber siren
Right. Do that. Easy fix.
fringe marten
Exactly; it is just as good..for WAY less work and effort. Reprisal does provide more block up time, absolutely. After it was brought down to what it was supposed to be ...4 seconds; I just wasn't feeling that the additional uptime it provided wasn't always worth the extra effort put into utilize it.
runic crown
Got 213 shoulder with haste, as for trinks THe Stone Legion 207 and 220 Viscera
Andy suggestions
jagged pier
shoulders or vintage
fringe marten
was about to say same..
lofty widget
same
runic crown
fringe marten
Ah ok; what legendary do you use? (are you dps?)
amber siren
Why would you ^ Jakey's comment and then write an entire paragraph doing the exact opposite? Literally if you don't want to run reprisal then just don't run it, but sugar coating the decision around your personal experience with necrolord/trink comparisons is just... weird?
runic crown
Reprisal
fringe marten
Ardias so your leggings are your legendary slot atm?
fringe marten
Ok; so your decisions are: 13 ilevels on a major piece of armor (good) a Nice raiding defensive trinket (Good, but not always really needed) or Decent leggings so you have the flexibility to use another legendary if you want.
or maybe even a big belt upgrade? I dunno but the shoulders are probably still 'more' upgrade.
hazy thicket
Every time this discussion comes up a few people rally around reprisal and defen...
From what I see the issue is that people feel the need to justify their position of 'i don't like it' (which honestly they don't have to) and when they do, they cite refutable issues. It's not unreasonable to say that reprisal rewards you for playing in a way that utilises your ability usage more effectively (more DPS is good regardless of how much. More rage is good. More DR on the group is good... Etc), and some people are just not going to be able to get on board with the idea of not doing that.
runic crown
I alredy have those legs so its either shoulders or trink
hazy thicket
I wouldn't bother to use the energy to try and convince anyone
jagged pier
From what I see the issue is that people feel the need to justify their position...
☝️
was rewarded with rank2 for playing it on sludgefist
fringe marten
Probably the shoulders then; because it's a perma ilevel upgrade you're always going to be using.
That trinket; while a solid defensive trinket..really isn't all that necessary for us.
fringe marten
13 ilevel on shoulder is pretty substantial.
stray gazelle
so kyrian is still the way to go then?
fringe marten
All the covenants are actually pretty good now; and what content you really prioritize will probably sway your decision.
jagged pier
we have only subjective BIS and subjective Worst tbh
remote dawn
i hve 226 weapon (crit, mast) the new was haste/verse, my cape was 213 verse/crit the new crit /mast and i have trinket 220scale/slg 220 is the decanter a option or cape?
jagged pier
back or decanter
SLG I find dont cut it in m+ groups as u cant stack it
and get full worth
ive been running phail and decanter in keys as i dont have scale
but i did get scale this morning
fringe marten
yup. Decanter actually sims really well in both single target and aoe..but the only real UPGRADE there is the cape. Even though 13 ilevels on a cloak isn't amazing..it's still permanent upgrade you'll always be using.
I think if you don't dps ever...then it probably takes Venthyr off the table as a great covenant choice.
But to be fair I'd have to look into venthyr more deeply for prot specifically to be sure of that.
remote dawn
mmmh, cape or decante ris the question i have points to upgrade a cape from dungeon when i drop
fringe marten
Even if you upgrade it, it will max at 220 right?
remote dawn
yep
fringe marten
Your trinkets for M+ are already excellent..the decanter is good but it's not going to be a big boost in..anything.
solid cairn
if you switch covenant what did you loose? Anima,transmog, conduit?
fossil vapor
guys in the weekly chest i have to chose or wrists 226 haste versa whit soket, or waist 226 haste evrsa. i have the boe wrist 213 haste versa and a waist 210 mastery versa. i know the soket are really good, but i have venary capped and can buy it eventually if update any piece to 220, and the waist have no haste but mastery, so in teory is a gain of haste if i take it, what to do ? :/ thanks
fringe marten
It is worse defensively than the SLG trinket, and slightly more damage with good 'averaged' procs over time.
I know people hate picking 'minor' off slot upgrades, or losing 'BiS' stats..but the 13 ilevels on the cloak is better, and more better than what that trinket will provide almost assuredly. But you can sim them if you want if you feel simming it would help you decide.
(open your vault, type /simc, Control +C then paste in top gear and sim what you want to test)
wild sandal
im playing venthyr atm, and i want to start pushing for 17s or so, and i feel kyrian would be a huge boost for survival , i know condem has some healing but will it help me , also do i choose general draven or go with the haste buff for more damage? any help is appricated
graceful cobalt
Good morning i got Bladedancer´s Armor Kit on 226 how good is that trinket? Phial of Putrefaction i only have on 203
fringe marten
The dancer kit is a pretty poor trinket unfortunately. If you HAVE to wear it, at least it's a 226 mainstat trinket; but for actual overall damage that 203 phial is more dps.
ocean oracle
What is more important Shield or weapon upgrade?
jagged pier
shield
fringe marten
Here's what I don't understand.. They will allow a stone legion trinket to have a couple % of versatility permanently. But the blade dancer kits armor only provides ? like 1.5%? armor mitigation or something? That's not a ton better than a couple % of versatility.. Why not just allow the armor kit to be perma; then someone might MAYBE consider wearing it..maybe, for something?
ocean oracle
ty
fringe marten
I understand that monks might get more out of the armor than a plate class would; but either way..it's just so bad as is.
brittle owl
monks actually get very little value out of added armor 🤷
in general trinkets that give armor by itself are pretty weak
fringe marten
that's sad then...the classes that would want to benefit from more 'armor' don't even get to find value in it.
onyx moon
so is it better to gem and enchant vers over haste?
i see all the top warriors taking vers over hast
haste
distant crystal
i think ppl like to get 20% haste then start favoring verse
ymmv, more art than science etc
brittle owl
self awareness is key 🙃
vale kelp
Hey guys. I re-joined wow a week before 9.0.5 came out and just crafted reprisal as my first legendary. I looked at all the guides and couldn't really find anything on it after the buff. Did I make a mistake crafting this first instead of the wall? In my personal opinion, I feel like it gives me a bit of time to grab agro with the revenge proc and also the 4 secs of shield block is enough for a shield bash and thunder clap before another shield block/ignore pain cast. This is mostly for m+. Any and all advice is welcome. Thank you.
fringe patrol
legs or feet for reprisal?
vale kelp
Legs
fringe marten
The reprisal legendary favors really making use of Intervene and charge as 'offensive' abilities to bring up more shield block time. It can really change up the way you would normally play. It's great for M+ if that's your focus and lines up well with the 'kiting' you have to do as M+ dungeons get higher and more difficult.
graceful cobalt
@fringe patrol if you raiding Mythic and can get Legs from SLG go feet if not take legs
lofty widget
so is it better to gem and enchant vers over haste?
unless youre doing the highest of high keys, gem haste, it is by far our most valuable stat
fringe marten
But don't view it as your primary source of block; it's a way to get MORE additional free block time by using other abilities.
lofty widget
its "filler" in the same sence that bloster used to cover our downtime
fringe marten
You didn't make a mistake crafting it at all; but the wall is also a good versatile option that's mostly seen as a great raiding tool. It's honestly very good in keys too as paired with the conduit for bringing down shield wall timer.. you have the ability to use shield wall on every other, or every third pack in M+ dungeons; which leads to kiting less, staying in and dps'ing more..and more stable tanking.
Reprisal also gives LOTS of rage too; so you can spam reveng more..or IP more, so..it also has it's flexibility.
Right; as Chimmi said reprisals biggest draw probably..is the ability to not be pigeon holed into "bolster" as a talent for M+.
vale kelp
@fringe marten thank you so very much for your insight. I will craft the wall next ( I was going to craft it for raiding regardless) thank you appreciate it mate
fringe marten
But if you're just getting into prot warrior now; and just starting to climb up keys...don't worry about any of that crap and just get used to playing the class. I would suggest making the wall as your second lego..however; the seismic legendary is great dps and if you have a solid group, and know the class well..you can sneak it into the mid teens on keys and do some solid dps with it. (I wouldn't recommend that early though; just make the wall..and have that tool in your toolbelt so to speak)
subtle tulip
I got 200 ilvls ring, can choose betwen a versa ring of 213 or a haste ring of 220? any recommendation? 220 for the ilvl right? Even though versa is a better dps for tanks
lofty widget
haste* is our best stat, so 220
vale kelp
@fringe marten cheers man. Do appreciate it. I stopped tanking on my war just before 8.3 came out and left the game til now. So I'm just a bit rusty on him also big sad they changed the talents around in 9.0
subtle tulip
Thanks chim
fringe marten
Yeah; the shift in the rows where the talents were was the biggest 'nerf' to prot warrior honestly. Well? combined with removing Last stand from Anger management.
Those couple changes put a solid dent in prot warrior shield block uptime; and combined with how the shadowlands dungeons were pre nerf (and are now, as key strength gets pretty high) has led to prot warriors not being the...Plant and Bang tank we used to be~
urban portal
Slands m+ tanking is fucked
It's just vdh running in circles
While your fire mage pumps
visual drift
worth it?
woeful trellis
Ofc
lofty widget
its an upgrade to both your rings imo
personally i would replace the 213 ring just cause i wouldnt go without haste on my rings
dull zodiac
then there is also this
what do u guys suggest
im horrible with my prot warr alt and deciding on gear
woeful trellis
226 back if u cant get myth raid or buy it from ah
dull zodiac
can deff get shriek myth cloak
i went with the ring and replacing the vers mastery ring
do u guys use reprisal on a melee preferably?
i feel like charging out to a ranged and charging back in is a waste of a revenge proc no?
lofty widget
/targetfriend
/cast Intervene
/targetlasttarget [help]
dull zodiac
thank u
lofty widget
although i would recommend a mouseover macro since you dont always want to intervene the closest target
lofty widget
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
stray night
So, wowhead and icyveins have different "best" legendaries and talents. so what do I pick? I know there's a lot of variability sometimes, but I'm at a loss of where to go to further progress.
stable kernel
oops turned in my rejoin necro cov quest guess im necro till i can change again 
sweet summit
wild sandal
i went back to venthyr, i was very hyped for necro when the new patch but banner setup is hard sometimes , well for me at least
tawdry dirge
guess we use kelia this week combined with crackling thunder talent or?
jagged pier
can use what u want
pelagos gives u more pots
so thats the trade off can cleanse necro more often
or immune for 8 secs every 3 mins
jagged pier
yikes not taking crit
tawdry dirge
yeah i know that this hurts on stats
jagged pier
kelia is useful for the 8 secs
i personally dont think thats worth it
as its random on what targets when
tawdry dirge
still running pelagos?
jagged pier
and u can get away easy enough
i run pelagos in dungeons and on sludge and kelia on the rest of the bosses in the raid
jagged pier
u play arms instead as prot is useless in RBGs as we cant self sustain
tawdry dirge
cause pvp is a nice gear source
fringe marten
zing..lol..first DoS of the week and I got my 210 scale; now WTF do you upgrade these LOL?
sweet summit
pvp guy
fringe marten
oh..the vendor I've never interacted with LOL
jagged pier
cov armour upgrader as well
proper moss
hey fellas! Is it possible to use shattering throw in pve/m+? for example on the shield Hakkar does and other stuff like that.
jagged pier
yes
fringe marten
yup, and that's one of the spots where it's bonus comes in handy
lofty widget
its around a 10-15k hit, very nice
fringe marten
I also use it on uhh?? dude at the end of necro wake..but I'm not sure if it does any bonus on him
lofty widget
its all shields, can also use it in soa
fringe marten
and on sludge I've taken to using it as a prepull...I pretend I'm a boomkin and start casting crap at 3~ on the count down.
Yeah but because of cast time and immobility it has to be worth to use; what would you pop it on in SOA?
I know a couple trash mobs bubble up but it gets busted insta
jagged pier
nah have to intervene before pull on sludge
tepid nest
how many attempts did it take you guys to get reprisal? i have done upper reaches 3 times now and no drop. i figured id just get it first go
fringe marten
Well if you wanna run reprisal of course; but I'm using my...AMAZING BRAND NEW for this XPAC ONLY!..shattering throw~
spiral mirage
how many attempts did it take you guys to get reprisal? i have done upper reache...
Its 100% drop on layer3+ i think
jagged pier
u need the right boss to spawn
tepid nest
hmm, wont drop in twisting corridors then it seems. i thought i could get it from there
sweet summit
yeah its upper reaches this week
tepid nest
nice.
fringe marten
I had it from..? when we were doing torghast every week when soul ash was like..super valuable and we still enjoyed the game?
sweet summit
so do layer 3+ upper reaches and u have reprisal
tepid nest
Ok thanks guys
elfin nova
It does drop in tc
sweet summit
unless you already have it 👀
elfin nova
Which is pointless when the wing is up
tepid nest
Cool, i'll get it this week when i do upper reaches on 8 anyhow.
tepid nest
Did you guys craft it on boots or legs? Legs makes more sense i guess
sweet summit
i did legs
fringe marten
jesus..just went from 194 scale to 220.
it's legit a 50% increase in the damage/shield
and my anima emitter from 200 to 220 was like..17 haste?
sweet summit
yeah its insane
fringe marten
Does anything else scale even remotely like that?
it's not an exaggeration, the numerical modifiers went up 50% (except the str of course)
Maybe the skulkers wing? But we don't get full damage from that.
I had a 213 and now a 226 skulker wing; and I think it went up something like 30%
mellow gorge
Carried my friend through a dungeon, I got bis shield and friend got bis weapon, game gives to those who prot
jagged pier
i got scale this morning finally first time ive ever seen one XD
mellow gorge
Im happy w my 220 scale, life saver
I still wonder
If 220 anima field is better than 213 spike
It wont get out of my head even after weeks
fringe marten
nice; was it from a 15+ so you only have to upgrade it 3x?
I had enough valor already; so...I don't think i'll be using valor again any time soon unless I suddenly wanna go arms or fury?
snow basin
How good is anima field? Currently using a 213 spike.
fringe marten
ehhh...that's a tough call; the anima field is solid, the proc rate is good, it's a nice amount of haste. The glut spike sims bad..it doesn't look good on paper; but it's overall value is solid. I did not like the 213 I had, and rarely used it..when I got the 226 my opinion totally changed.
Since spike works on a multiplier of the damage, for the heal..when the damage scales up a bit it grows in value pretty quick. the difference in healing from the 213 to the 226 was huge.
tired yacht
How do you all pull a pack of mobs? I can't seem to get enough aggro fast with thunder clap
fringe marten
so it became a 'meh' damage trinket and a very solid healing trinket..combined together I like it.
jagged pier
How do you all pull a pack of mobs? I can't seem to get enough aggro fast with ...
because your supposed to use revenge not thunder clap