protection

[uneven mason]

you explode when you die iirc

[modern brook]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=255652/lights-reckoning

[hot oxide]

hmmm

[modern brook]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=95566/rashas-sacrificial-dagger#comments

[restive wigeon]

does 0 dmg

lmao

[modern brook]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=340159/service-in-stone

stormbolt->dagger

boom

[hot oxide]

is their a video of this?

i gotta check this out

[modern brook]

iunno

probably not its a terrible idea lol

[surreal sinew]

it's a superb idea

[modern brook]

its probably better on a LFDDK which is a thing now

cause grip + asphyix

plus i think their health pool is bigger for service

[surreal sinew]

looking for death death knight?

[modern brook]

light forged draenei

[uneven mason]

Mythic huntsman - have seekers go to one side of the room?

[modern brook]

yeah

[sweet summit]

yes

[surreal sinew]

yeah

[uneven mason]

when start immunity?

[sweet summit]

what

[uneven mason]

using immunity soaks?

or just ignore that

[sweet summit]

p2 yeah

[surreal sinew]

if you can

p3 for sure

[sweet summit]

p1 seekers u just soak like hc

[surreal sinew]

or have people die

[uneven mason]

we soak seekers in HC?

[modern brook]

no

p1 seekers is just soak

[uneven mason]

didn't think so 😄

ok

[modern brook]

p2 seekrs is soak+distance

[hot oxide]

i wonder if theirs a super secret if you get renown 40 on all covenants with 1 char.

[modern brook]

p3 seakers is soak+distance+dont stack

@uneven mason

after p1; we send the range to the soak side, melee doesnt soak them from then on

lets melee keep uptime and keeps the shades further from the boss

[sick sentinel]

Your opinion on this: Running Rumbling Earth with Disturb the Peace conduit 226, to have shockwave available every 17 sec, seems crazy when pugging M+ ?

[modern brook]

Accounting for stun dr

[sweet summit]

i find storm bolt better

[modern brook]

it seems like a little much

[surreal sinew]

unnecessary i think

maybe if you're the only one with stuns pretty much

[sweet summit]

disturb the peace is alright i think

[modern brook]

It's the opportunity cost that kills it imo

Safegaurd and presence are 2 good

[wanton condor]

safeguard? For raid I'd assume?

[sick sentinel]

That´s what is making scratch my head: Inspiring Presence can help with troublesome Prides ...

[wanton condor]

making healy shout better is way too good to give up, yeah

[sweet summit]

safeguard for m+
inspiring for raid

[wanton condor]

inspiring for prides is too strong

and I'm using intervene on CD for reprisal so I can't see much use there

as I often want to intervene a tanky melee

[sick sentinel]

same

[plush tendon]

inspiring is pretty good, but might be overkill

safeguard is also good if using reprisal, but if you are using reprisal, how often are you intervening someone to give them damage reduction?

[hot oxide]

think I would use intervene to get a free revenge

about it

[plush tendon]

pretty much, but I think that one finese spot is up to preference.

[tardy parcel]

inspiring is lovely for pride and rage cast(s) on the second mask in dos

[wanton condor]

also helps against archer mobws

like arbelists in top

[modern brook]

I uhhh

I dont get how "I'm using intervene on cd, so adding DR isnt useful" is an argument, tbh

[wanton condor]

because the DR isn't necessarily used in a fashion that is useful

[plush tendon]

Im not saying its not useful, but its not like you are using it to reduce anything

[wanton condor]

as you instead are intervening someone who is in the spot you want the mobs to be

[modern brook]

smh

[wanton condor]

so you can't use it as a DR if you see someone getting hit

[modern brook]

theres so much random damage + party damage it doesnt matter

[wanton condor]

thus I'd rather have inspiring prescence

[modern brook]

its a 20% external on a 45s cooldown

[plush tendon]

fair, but nothing that hots cant do

[modern brook]

you're insane if you think thats not useful cause u use it for revenge

[plush tendon]

All im saying, is im not holding intervene to reduce a hard hitting ability for a ally if I want to proc reprisal

and if you are worried about AOE damage to the party, the extra health and duration on rally might be better since youll have control of that

[alpine ravine]

serversup

[plush tendon]

its also 13% at 226

[modern brook]

you're still nuts tbh

[plush tendon]

: ^)

[sweet summit]

intervene is 20 sec 👀

and its 14% at 226

smh

[fervent smelt]

would taking stone legion gens trink be better than 223 shoulders? current shoulders 203

[dapper coral]

sim it my dude

[fervent smelt]

I have.. dmg wise, theyre like almost the same

[sweet summit]

what are your current trinkets?

[fervent smelt]

213 glutonous spike, 207 power crystal.. my warrior has had terrible luck with trinks

[wanton condor]

whatever you pick is also the slot your next good piece of gear will drop in

[fervent smelt]

lololol

[wanton condor]

I got mythic hunts from the GV... and then it dropped that evening

[small marsh]

For Kyrians, think it's worth running Kleia for the immune to bleed soulbind for Necrotic?

[dapper coral]

if you need it, sure

[sweet summit]

eh id probably go for shoulders, you can easily get a replacement trinket pretty fast
unless you can kill mythic hungering then i might just take trinket 🤔

[dapper coral]

other tanks tank necrotic w/o a phial at all

[fervent smelt]

my guild just wants to stay heroic, which im fine with.. I prefer mythic + more

[sweet summit]

yeah go for shoulders

20 ilvls on shoulders is hot

[fervent smelt]

thats my thought and I run fury on occasion

[dapper coral]

but you can also get 220 shoulders through valor

SLG trinket, not so much

[wanton condor]

chance of getting a better trinket > better shoulders IMO

especially if you have a heroic farm group

[fervent smelt]

ya especially since Ive been farming DoS for the scale..

[dapper coral]

Really, you can't go wrong with either, especially if they sim essentially the same

[fervent smelt]

like a 6 dps difference between the two

[halcyon fable]

Ive been looking around today and couldnt find any info on it. Is there info on how Ignore Pain and other absorbs work? Does IP take 50% and then the other full absorbs or other way around? Dependant on when they were applied etc?

[undone verge]

IP halves the dmg you take until it has absorbed a total of 4-8k dmg

[distant crystal]

i think there's a priority list for absorbs tho

like specific spells are on a higher "strata" and will get consumed first

[plush tendon]

Naow playing Prot War right now, though hes playing basic Kyrian 😦

[undone verge]

the real question is how does shield wall work with IP since both reduce dmg by 50%

[halcyon fable]

Trying to figure it out because ive gone necrolord and have the blood scale trinket from hakkar, i want to know if I should be stacking IP on when I have scale up or if I let scale absorb fully before using IP again basically

[sweet summit]

50%+50% is 75%

[undone verge]

I knew it

I dont know what I will do with this information

[chrome star]

Ive read the wowhead and icy veins guides and am at the point where I have no upgrades available just swapping secondary stats, if I can stack near pure haste/verse should I, I see many top ranked warriors with a mix of crit and mastery when I assume they would have access to near full haste vers if they wanted?

[undone verge]

if you can do the content your trying to do, I would just start working on your dps

[sick sentinel]

Do you go BSC or BV with Reprisal?

[sweet summit]

bsc

[sick sentinel]

Cool

ty

[keen epoch]

hello guys, as prot is it better to have a 220 haste vers weap, or 226 crit mastery? trying to do 19s and 20s, also mythic raid

[undone verge]

idk I think its a matter of preference

[sweet summit]

ilvl>stats on weapon

weapon damage is very a very important stat

and it gives more strength

📈

[halcyon fable]

what is BSC/BV? I keep seeing those

[sweet summit]

best served cold
booming voice

[undone verge]

Best served cold booming voice

[sweet summit]

talents

[halcyon fable]

ohhh

im dumb

[trim bay]

226 meat hook

is it any good?

[sweet summit]

its alright

[undone verge]

I had the meat hook, but I didnt really like it

[unreal scarab]

when you go other side but get the quantum device

[hasty heath]

are the servers down for anyone else?

[undone verge]

I spent like 800 valor on upgrading a cloak, then I saw a haste verse cloak just sitting in my incentory

[sweet summit]

[lunar plank]

Do prot sims really matter for much? Do they just maximize dps or do they factor in survivability as well?

[sweet summit]

just for dps

[wanton condor]

they do survivability

[sweet summit]

survivability is 90% your own play

[teal mulch]

For Reprisal legendary, feet or legs? Guides say legs, but I see a lot of high ranked m+ tanks put it on feet.

[wanton condor]

basically it's "DPS under certain survivability conditions"

[undone verge]

I chose feet

[wanton condor]

it's not simming for tankiness

[distant crystal]

make it wherever it's the biggest upgrade for you

[wanton condor]

but assumes you do some tank stuff like keep up SB and cast IP occasionally

[sweet summit]

it casts SB for SS damage and IP to avoid overcapping iirc?

[wanton condor]

it uses SB on CD instead of when SS comes off CD

and IP every 15s I think

basically it reflects active tanking better than a pure dps sim does

[lunar plank]

Thanks. For gear, is it ilvl > all or should I actually prioritize haste and vers? I'm trying prot after being a 226 fury so I'm way overbudgeted into mastery

[wanton condor]

but if you want to do pure dps just basically change that in the apl

[sweet summit]

ilvl>all yeah

necks/rings/trinket dont really follow that rule tho

[sick sentinel]

For necro to be useful, you'd have to have a certain mastery-meta comp in m+ right?

Otherwise its just trash

[sweet summit]

mage/boomkin is meta already so no big deal xd

[sick sentinel]

I mean, if you're not in a group with a mage/boomie/unholy, then banner is pretty much useless

[sweet summit]

nah

[uncut fog]

I am mostly focussing on mythic raiding, what would be the best covenent?

[sweet summit]

every class gets some benefit from mastery

for healers its just pure hps tho :(

[sweet summit]

literally any of the 4

altho most are kyrian/night fae i believe

[sick sentinel]

I really want necro to be useful, but I'm scared I will be wasting my precious time making the change to try it out

[chrome star]

necro felt great tbh

[undone verge]

kyrian is prob best for mythic raiding that extra health pot is nice

[sick sentinel]

you're necro @chrome star ?

[chrome star]

I have kyrian / necro/ venthyr maxed

I go ventyr for pvp

[sweet summit]

necro is cringe tbh
cringe simp
i dont like it

[undone verge]

the necro banner and cast time feels too complicated in mythic and takes too long during the fight

[unreal scarab]

i heard whoever is not necro also eats little children. But that s just the word on the street!

[chrome star]

on mythic sludgefist necro felt good

[unreal scarab]

[signal plover]

Kyrian is a nice safety net for mythic prog while AA is for beeg damaj

[pure sun]

Spent 50~ runs yesterday getting shield dos trinket last week to 220, just fucking rolled it in my vault for 226

[signal plover]

Hitting every pillar with spear also feels good on m sludge

[sick sentinel]

GZ, you have the trinket !!!

Would I be better off going for NF for KSM then?

[signal plover]

Which one do you want to play

[floral pewter]

Fleshcraft is a really good button, feels great

[plush tendon]

any cov can you get KSM

[floral pewter]

banner is unexciting to press and annoying to coordinate

[chrome star]

I really think they are all great choices

[dapper coral]

Just press it then

[plush tendon]

Cov choice only matters really at the highest level, otherwise play what works for you or fits what you like to do

[dapper coral]

It still buffs your damage lol

[uneven mason]

I'm leveling a warrior and I'ma get KSM without a covenant

[plush tendon]

Goals

[uneven mason]

👍

[signal plover]

Ikari go back in your hole

[plush tendon]

no Cov, no soulbind, no lego, no problem

[uneven mason]

Can't got banned from the Druid discord

[undone verge]

choosing your bis cov is really just for min/maxing your performance

[uneven mason]

Ironman challenge

[signal plover]

shocked

[wanton condor]

Reasons to go each covenant
Kyrian: Helps kiting, potion stronk especially with grevious/necrotic, fills the kyrian role for dungeons if you don't have an hpal
NL: Your fmage/boomie have blackmail material on you or you have good taste in mogs
Venthyr: You are repulsed by the very idea of a disc priest or rsham healer
NF: burrs go brrrrr

[plush tendon]

Add HPal to Venthyr

[sick sentinel]

Fuck it, went necro

[halcyon fable]

I run with a consistent group and banner feels great (and easy on discord) to coordinate, always used on nasty trash packs or bosses (or where we need burst) which means im getting the survivability and damage from it too.

[unreal scarab]

ONE OF US

[sick sentinel]

I went full on simp

[undone verge]

necro has the best plate set and you cant change my mind

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[dapper coral]

Actually, it would probably be the worst, since nearly everyone is NF. You miss out on the dungeon buffs in the other zones

[wanton condor]

they can put then you have to ping them once per minute going WHERE'S MY DIVINE TOIL

[signal plover]

You don't need dungeon buffs for ksm

[chrome star]

whats nice about necro now is you can use felshcraft to even out dmg between sb

[dapper coral]

Agreed, but they make it easier

[plush tendon]

They dont care about Divine Toll and healing; do you see that Ashen Hollow damage???

[halcyon fable]

the added bonus of having access to fleshcraft is really nice

[undone verge]

I mean with reprisal SB has such a high uptime it prob wont matter

[uneven mason]

Kyrian: Swolboi Plays Owltunes on demand.
NL: Your playlist consists of only Manowar and Judas Priest
Venthyr: Your idea of a good evening is Anne Rice and some warmed Merlot
NF: Craftstore Herpes turns you on.

fixed

[wanton condor]

they really should let you collect different instruments for your swolebro

get him a trumpet or a harp or some bagpipes

[uneven mason]

Bagpipes

[wanton condor]

or portable organ so you can play smoke on the water

[plush tendon]

Bongos

[undone verge]

thank god you cant name him, I cant imagine the atrocities

[halcyon fable]

instant swap to kyrian if i can have my owl play bagpipes

no joke

[uneven mason]

I want to name my Swolkin Angus Young and give him bagpipes

[sick sentinel]

imagining swolekin doing a guitar riff

[plush tendon]

or a Tuba :D:D:D

[wanton condor]

replace path of ascenion with owl guitar hero

or banjo owl

banjowl

[blazing gale]

btw if you stream guitar hero do you get dmca strikes?

[undone verge]

I want to see the final boss fight with the jailer have a guitar hero phase

[uneven mason]

RItchie Blackmore is a raw musical genius, using whammybar distortion on an organ?! WTF!

[signal plover]

Who had the simp covenant tier list...was it maelk?

[halcyon fable]

let me upload custom sound files for my swolboi so i can walk around with real music playing. BIS covenant forever

[signal plover]

Err...fetish tier list

[wanton condor]

just rip off the bard music playing from ffxiv

[blazing gale]

you can just make an aura that plays a song if you pop owl

[undone verge]

vampires furries corpses birds

[uneven mason]

this.

[wanton condor]

give owl drums, innagadadavida drum solo

[undone verge]

if owls get instruments I want to see owl bands

[uneven mason]

So sigma

are you the symbol, or the badguy

[wanton condor]

latter

[halcyon fable]

imagine LFG "LF Kyrian with Owl with Bass Guitar for our band run"

[uneven mason]

👍

[wanton condor]

Sigma virus brings freedom

to make your own choices

megaman is a cop

[undone verge]

"the year is 2030 half the player base has quit after blizzard released the newest expansion 'guitar heroes of azeroth'"

[halcyon fable]

Only half? pretty successful expansion TBH

[plush tendon]

you mean the playerbase doubled

[floral pewter]

holy shit bois, I got an Anime Field Emitter last night and a Scale out of the vault today

suddenly, BiS 📈

[tardy parcel]

king shit, grats

[undone verge]

let me check my GV and ill be back

[distant crystal]

damn guildy just got crit/haste/leech 226 shield

juicy

[plush tendon]

leech huge

with all the dam you doing, big heals

[floral pewter]

now I gotta figure out how to make a WA track a trinket cooldown

[plush tendon]

theres probably one on Wago

[halcyon fable]

Luxthos has a WA that tracks racials and trinket slots that I use, works pretty well

[signal plover]

There's an item CD trigger in WA..real simple

[plush tendon]

I like Luxthos, seems like a nice guy 🙂

[floral pewter]

nice, thanks

[devout pike]

sanguine vintage 220, or stone legion heraldy 220? i have blood spattered scale 207 as well

[plush tendon]

Heraldy and BSS

[signal plover]

Stone legion in most cases

[uneven mason]

SLG/Vintage 220s for raid, rep vintage with scale in M+

[devout pike]

i often cheese m+ or farm content with shriek dps trinket 226

but yeah i guess, ty guys

bss too op and stone legion 2

[tardy parcel]

I think I know the answer to this already -

death god's + false accuser? or death god's + ritualist's?

[mossy sluice]

jewelry is weird but prob the 220 + 226

[west kayak]

I too need some assistance in my choice. I just got a 226 Pulsating Stoneheart from my cache. I am using a 216 Blood Spattered Scale and a 220 Anima Field Emitter.

[mossy sluice]

oof

that trinket is not great

keep using scale/afe

[west kayak]

I kind of figured but the STR is nice and the Armor part isnt too shabby. Slowing down sucks but then again Intervene/Charge and Leap make that negligible.

[plush tendon]

naw, put that in the dumpster

and light it on fire

[jagged pier]

☝️

[plush tendon]

one day blizz will design tank trinkets that are good and fun to play

[chilly brook]

Yo dude wdym

Armor buffs are pog amirite

[jagged pier]

we had good once in WoD

[chilly brook]

[plush tendon]

I remember using my opulance trinket all the way through EP

now that was a fun trinket

or Ashvane trinket

[jagged pier]

but Rppm was busted in WoD and MoP

[light thicket]

I dream of getting huntsman trinket just to drop all defensives and kill my raidmates

[jagged pier]

it doesnt kill them

[light thicket]

It doesnt?!

[jagged pier]

no

[light thicket]

They cant even make that fun...

[plush tendon]

they could always make a kyrian phial trinket XD

[jagged pier]

my co tank tried it on our lowest geared player did like 10% of his hp

[plush tendon]

now that would be pog champ

[wanton condor]

you will take my splintered heart from my cold beating hands (after you kill me twice)

[undone verge]

I got 223 gloves

[plush tendon]

dont tempt me. Still dont have that 😦

[wanton condor]

we have a timeshare program

honestly, heart + scale (which I don't still have) seems pretty great for m+ tanking

[undone verge]

splintered heart and the hakkar trinket ftw

[wanton condor]

gives you everything you could ever desire

cheat death + aggro grab + shield to take the initial burst

all on a reasonable CD

[plush tendon]

Thats the ideal tanky trinket setup

replace alar with damage trinket if you want to pump

[undone verge]

I want to survive

[jagged pier]

you only run death trinket if and only u make use of its death

otherwise its useless

[undone verge]

it makes me feel good

[wanton condor]

if your cheat death never procs either the content is too easy or you ain't pulling hard enough

[jagged pier]

☝️

[undone verge]

if you arent dyin you aint livin

[cinder storm]

or your healers are bad or your dps cant kick

[undone verge]

all of the above

well usually the healers are decent

[sick sentinel]

Do you guys consider your OS when picking covenant?

[signal plover]

No we fire from the hip

And deal with the consequences

[sick sentinel]

Im wondering if I should go Kyrian or NF, leaning toward NF for fury

[plush tendon]

some do, some dont

[undone verge]

kyrian prob

[signal plover]

NF better for fury than kyrian

[sick sentinel]

Im venthyr now so not sure if it's even worth swapping

[mossy sluice]

all the covs are pretty good for prot

[undone verge]

this aint the fury channel though

[signal plover]

Prolly not

[undone verge]

kyrian better for prot

[mossy sluice]

arguable

[signal plover]

Def arguable if you consider that they're also playing fury

That's literally the question

[undone verge]

well the coves are pretty well balanced its basically person preference

[sturdy sable]

If they play both fury and prot NF is. Solid option as well

[sick sentinel]

that's kind of what I've gathered @undone verge

[sturdy sable]

But what coconut said

[signal plover]

Imo the answer here is prio your offspec choice and primary content when picking covenant because all 4 are ok for prot @sick sentinel

[sturdy sable]

Warriors are spoiled for choice

[jolly spindle]

venthyr is weird for prot

[sturdy sable]

It's strong af in raid

[plush tendon]

no, Ion just gave us what he promised us

[sick sentinel]

I don't think venthyrr is weird at all

[torpid saffron]

so..you guys playing necrolord ? night fae ? kyrian ?

[mossy sluice]

play what your heart desires

[sick sentinel]

feels like i can do a ton of dmg if I'm not actively holding the boss

[undone verge]

venthyr has movement which we dont really need, but its fine

[chilly brook]

Its not weird at all lmao

[signal plover]

All of the above are represented here

Including venth

[plush tendon]

Everything is being played. Im necro, some other guy is Nf. There are some Kyrian running around. and Venthyr are in the corner cause the sun is too bright

[undone verge]

I have two prot warrior and one is kyrian one necro

[chilly brook]

Even when actively holding boss you can do tons of damage while in condemn range

[sick sentinel]

seems like venthyr is prob shit in keys tho

[torpid saffron]

I'm currently kyrian, and i was thinking if should i swap to necrolord

[cinder storm]

I miss kyrian but necro is fun imo

[mossy sluice]

venthyr kinda rare for m+ for the dungeon bonuses

[plush tendon]

Yea, but Venthyr dungeon buffs and big ST dam

[chilly brook]

Sire

[undone verge]

kyrian is gonna be good for m+ this week

[signal plover]

Venthyr ok in m+ on tyr weeks

[sturdy sable]

This

[wanton condor]

I swapped to NF in part that I wanted the stomp and in part that I just don't like the spear on arms

[chilly brook]

You just replace IP with condemn

[jolly spindle]

57 casts holy shit

[sturdy sable]

^

[wanton condor]

also why does it use the upswing for ancient aftershock instead of a stomp

[undone verge]

I hate that goddamn spear

[sturdy sable]

Pop last stand rage gen conduit and go ham

[wanton condor]

I love the spear on prot

[chilly brook]

I also cheated and was condemning remornia

[sick sentinel]

thats what I thought. You don't even use IP while taking hits tho? Makes sense

[wanton condor]

but hate on dps

[signal plover]

Griff is the king of out of context log clips tbh

[chilly brook]

No because its almost as effective as IP while also doing damage and refunding rage

[chilly brook]

True but also wasn't out of context since we were talking about condemn usage on bosses and actively tanking

[undone verge]

necro has the best plat set and you cant change my mind

[sturdy sable]

If prot could cleave condemn some way I wouldn't have swapped

[chilly brook]

[sweet summit]

wrong

[signal plover]

That's at least 50% gymnastics

[sweet summit]

venthyr does

[sick sentinel]

think im going to stay venthyr. what legendary you using? The Wall I assume

[chilly brook]

If we could cleave condemn it would be disgusting

[sweet summit]

reprisal in m+ no matter what covenant you are

[sturdy sable]

We'd be god's

[torpid saffron]

Anyone who swapped from kyrian to necrolord ?

Should i consider it ?

[plush tendon]

Me

[undone verge]

yeah reprisal is best in m+ the wall in raids, at least thats my opinion

[torpid saffron]

and how do you like it so far ?

[chilly brook]

I prefer the wall I'm still not sold on reprisal

[undone verge]

necro is arguably better, but theyre both really good

[sick sentinel]

I'm not sold on it at all. Think its all hype

[signal plover]

Wall sims higher for me than reprisal on ST

[sweet summit]

i dont raid so i dont really know whats better, but neither is bad in raid

[torpid saffron]

wait.. why is necro better ? i've seen some guys sayin' that is overrated

[plush tendon]

I didnt care for spear, I like necrolord armor, thematically, and banner fun. But NF is always tempting me

[sick sentinel]

Same way people said the Executioner was going to dethrone Signet for arms

[torpid saffron]

as for reprisal, you need to get double time in order to get full advantage of it

[sweet summit]

apl still isnt updated for reprisal charge weaving

[torpid saffron]

i hated reprisal without double time too

but after i started playing with double time.. i gotta say i love it

[wanton condor]

I'm just happy I can run battlelord on my arms spec now

it's so much more fun than signet

[undone verge]

reprisal is our salvation

[torpid saffron]

you just gotta keep jumping

[sturdy sable]

It's a trap to give up your stun in keys

[torpid saffron]

charge/heroic leap/charge/intervene/shockwave/charge

we still have shockwave

[undone verge]

cant believe people are hating on 90%+ SB uptime

[sturdy sable]

Yeah but it's not shockwave and stormbolt

[torpid saffron]

well if you play with stormbolt, you won't get full advantage of reprisal

[undone verge]

SB-SB-SB-heroic leap-charge-SB-intervene-SB

[plush tendon]

Remember when you had high SB uptime since Bolster was not on the same row as AM, and AM reduced Last Stand CD also

[cinder storm]

you dont need to run double time, you have intervene and you can leap and charge back

[torpid saffron]

cuz charge is 20s cd and intervene is 30

[cinder storm]

why would you drop stormbolt over double time

[torpid saffron]

heroic leap is 45 seconds iwthout bounding stride

[sturdy sable]

For another 4s of block that's why

[plush tendon]

cause we zooming

[undone verge]

I dont really like stormbolt

[mossy sluice]

thats weird

[signal plover]

You're prolly not using it enough then

[cinder storm]

yeah, tell that to devour flesh in ToP

[torpid saffron]

yeah, we all like stormbolt

just keep shockwave for it or tell someone to cc it

but if you want high uptime for SB

[sturdy sable]

A stun is just so so much more useful then 4s of block

[torpid saffron]

you need that double time

[plush tendon]

you can actually just walk away from that (or leap, intervene, etc.)

[torpid saffron]

wait what ?

[cinder storm]

and then it grabs the closest melee to it

[torpid saffron]

it's not only 4s of block, dude

[plush tendon]

does it?

[sturdy sable]

It's rage and revenge I know

[torpid saffron]

you also get 20 rage more than a normal charge

[cinder storm]

it does, Ive tried it

[plush tendon]

Cause im pretty sure n

[torpid saffron]

and you get a revenge proc

[sick sentinel]

did I spark a legendary debate?

[sweet summit]

you do not need double time

[signal plover]

The thing is, you don't actually need double time for high effective SB uptime

[undone verge]

its complete uptime on shieldblock when its on cd

[sturdy sable]

But your only mentioning the Block up time

[torpid saffron]

every high rio warr playing double time

i doubt they don't need the second charge

[cinder storm]

so if nerf jumps from a bridge you will jump from one?

[mossy sluice]

theyre also in ultra coordinated groups and the stun loses value when you have people who are preventing casts with their own toolkit

[cinder storm]

they play with people who can compensate and provide support

dont expect that from your regular pugs

[undone verge]

pugging

eww

Pugging is hell

[sturdy sable]

Yeah doesn't everyone play this game at a world first level? /S

[undone verge]

exactly

[torpid saffron]

well, if you want to aim high

you gotta try do what pros do

[sturdy sable]

Use the tools that best fit the situation

[uneven mason]

The reason we run SB over DT is literally when in pugs you don't know the consistency that they'll stop casts for you, thus, having a ranged ability that does so, is a bigger deal than another 4s on charge, and 20 rage every other pull.

[mossy sluice]

that may not be the correct answer for your situation

[sturdy sable]

That's what the pros are doing

[undone verge]

for pugging talents change, you cant rely on help as much

[mossy sluice]

if youre doing a 15 and getting railed by a caster, double time is fuck off useless

[torpid saffron]

i think that if you run storm bolt you will also need bolster

[mossy sluice]

wat

[torpid saffron]

cuz without double time you lack a lot of SB uptime

[cinder storm]

lol

[uneven mason]

If you know that you can rely on the firemage to stop slapping combustion long enough to counterspell the necrobolt that will take half your health off in a +22 then SB loses value.

[mossy sluice]

think youre overexaggerating how much that extra block uptime is

[torpid saffron]

am i tho ?

[mossy sluice]

yes

[signal plover]

Yes

[torpid saffron]

so, everyone here plays storm bolt

[uneven mason]

Charge reloads consecutively not simuntaneously also, if you're charging out and in for it, you're losing DPS uptime

in dungeons

[patent osprey]

fight fight fight fight fight fight

[uneven mason]

yes

[torpid saffron]

PIka, you got dethroned 😄

[patent osprey]

Yeppers ^.^

bound to happen eventually ^.^

[uneven mason]

good

[torpid saffron]

you're the prot warr god, c'mon

[uneven mason]

its good that we have more keys

being run by prot in high tiers

[torpid saffron]

i know you have the ace in your sleeve

[patent osprey]

Its kinda nice though, feels alot of pressure when ur rank 1 lol

[torpid saffron]

you're up to smth

[undone verge]

we gotta settle this though

plka, double time or storm bolt

[signal plover]

Literally either lol

[plush tendon]

all of you arguing Stormbolt or Double time, when Rumbling Earth is the play

[patent osprey]

ummm

Both ^.^

[torpid saffron]

pIka will always recommend storm bolt rather than double time

cuz he knows we pug a lot

[wanton condor]

need to get you a #2 headband Afro Samurai style

[lofty widget]

while we're at it, CT or bounding?

[mossy sluice]

LOL

[torpid saffron]

but in organized groups with more than 1 cc i think double time can get some nice value

[uneven mason]

they both have uses, SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH

[patent osprey]

bounding is negative stonks

[wanton condor]

does the extra snare on CT help a lot on necrotic?

was thinking it would be a bounding week otherwise

[torpid saffron]

yeah, i saw that i couldn't control aggro aoe well anymore playing with bounding

so crackling thunder is BIS there

[signal plover]

Lads, it seems you have not seen my grate arteest rendition of reprisal talent tree

[plush tendon]

invest in trees

[ionic fern]

Then you're doing something wrong.

[patent osprey]

The extra range and snare are always good for m+. Bounding stride is useless

[torpid saffron]

watch what pIka just said

[lofty widget]

bounding+ DT so you can jump out and charge in even more???

[patent osprey]

why do you need to leap so much??????????????

[torpid saffron]

you don't

[signal plover]

I knew that CT comment would rouse Mwahi lol

[plush tendon]

yea, if you are leaping away, you are not doing damage

[torpid saffron]

if you're not kiting and also doing damage

[patent osprey]

you don't really need to leap out everytime to get uselessness of DT

[ionic fern]

What Plka said has nothing to do with you losing aggro.

[torpid saffron]

you will eventually lose threat

[wanton condor]

tenderize scary though

[patent osprey]

and leaping out stresses the shit out of your team, cause mobs move 😉

esp when you do it on prideful

[torpid saffron]

mate, the extra range is amazing

[patent osprey]

the range on TC + the mini slows, helps you gain intial aggro

if things are slightly spread out

[uneven mason]

Hell hath no fury like a fire mage screaming PUT IT BACK IN THE FLAMESTRIKE

[light thicket]

Yeah but TC isnt what it used to be

[patent osprey]

but DT vs SB, both are good

[ionic fern]

You 100% don't need CT to keep aggro - it's beneficial for sure but by no means mandatory.
This is just to say that if you're losing aggro on AoE without CT you are doing something wrong.

[patent osprey]

just depends on what you need

[light thicket]

Revenge is your best aoe aggro tool

[torpid saffron]

thank you, Plka ❤️

[patent osprey]

CT doesn't help you keep aggro, it has nothing to do with threat. it just helps you get intial aggro when things are spread out

so your thunderclap doesn't miss per say

[wanton condor]

also cool ground effect

[undone verge]

reprisal reveng proc

[chilly brook]

Assuming they're out of your radius anyways

[torpid saffron]

if mobs are spread.. it helps you get them back faster

[chilly brook]

Ehhhhh

[patent osprey]

yes ^.^ assumming

[chilly brook]

TC isn't helping you get aggro back usually

[signal plover]

Aight I'ma head to lunch lol

[plush tendon]

same with wild spirits and blizzard

[patent osprey]

this relaly only plays a factor when mobs are summoned, like gaunlet in SD. Or Mists maze packs

[chilly brook]

Revenge does that

[pallid isle]

hmm. I'm mainly raid tank (prog H Sludge), do < 5 keys a week, dithering on vault (no where near KSM):
Shoulder: have 213 Hung Dest shoulders (66c/33h), vault choice empress shoulders 216 (66h/35m/43spd)
or
trinket: Have 210 hakar scale, 213 dog leash, 200 anima decanter. vault choice 220 meat hook.

[light thicket]

If a mafe just stole aggro from a mob and its walking his way

[wanton condor]

do you use the leash

[torpid saffron]

hakar scale BIS

still tryin' 2 get it

[wanton condor]

do you just go "fuck you healer" every time it's off CD

[light thicket]

A TC isnt gonna be nearly enough

[torpid saffron]

one won't

[light thicket]

Even if it hits said mob

[torpid saffron]

but if you lose threat for more than 5 seconds

you can cast 2 tc's

[uneven mason]

mage is dead

[undone verge]

I got my bis neck in the GV

but it was normal level

[light thicket]

If you lose aggro more than 5 sec ypu probably got someone killed

[torpid saffron]

hopefully you don't have any cloth in your group

mb, wanted to say more than 1 cloth 🙂

[ionic fern]

Why are we even talking about having threat issues? There shouldn't be any to begin with unless your mage/ret pala goes mongo before you even charge in.

[torpid saffron]

mate

[pallid isle]

I kinda use it on a few bosses (looks at inerva)

[ionic fern]

Yes..mate?

[torpid saffron]

if i get you in group with one of my friends

playing fire mage /retri pala or fury warr

[plush tendon]

challenging shout

[torpid saffron]

you'll lose threat in no time

4 mins cd

[plush tendon]

all problems fixed in no time

[ionic fern]

🤔

[lime urchin]

Venthyr bis for prot warr?

[light thicket]

There is no talent to compensate for teammate stupidity

[lofty widget]

ninja pulling aoe combust maybe?

[plush tendon]

No BiS, pick what you like. Have fun 🙂

[tame jasper]

one question to Menance (? - the alternative to TC): Does the CC breaks from damage?

[undone verge]

we need a spell reflect talent so my pugs interupt the goddamn shadowcore in DoS

[patent osprey]

im a firm believer of the opener for prot war being

Ravager (from range) -> Charge -> Avatar -> SB-> TC -> Revenge - > normal rotation

for m+

[plush tendon]

What about demo shout?

😦

[torpid saffron]

do you use @cursor macro for ravager Plka ?

[patent osprey]

err i play BSC alot so

i don't demo shout always on pull

[tame jasper]

That's how I start my rota too

[patent osprey]

depends on what the mob pack does

@torpid saffron yea

[plush tendon]

im so used to BFA, where it was also Demo and Avatar together XD

so i use it basically on CD

[torpid saffron]

so BSC is still better than Booming voice with reprisal, right ?

[patent osprey]

if you play BSC, then you use demoshout like a cd instead of on cd

[fringe patrol]

legs or feet for reprisal and why?

[lime urchin]

Just tryna make plka happy

[plush tendon]

but Plka joined the Necro bois

[patent osprey]

again depends on what your trying to do ^.^ booming is a bit more defensive, and BSC is more dam

[patent osprey]

haha... about that.....

soon

[plush tendon]

🤮

at least go night fae

[torpid saffron]

should i aim to play BSC ? or is not bad playing booming either ?

[undone verge]

kyrian will be fun this week with the pots

[patent osprey]

no kyrians out there 😦

[plush tendon]

FAIR

[torpid saffron]

wait, i'm kyrian 😄

but only 1350 RIO tho

[undone verge]

kyriann FTW

[patent osprey]

I mean't no kyrian DPS really

and healers mostly play venthyr now

[lime urchin]

Wait yall ain’t kyrian?

[plush tendon]

WW might be making a strong comeback though

[patent osprey]

so.... need kyrian for spires + NW

[lime urchin]

Plebs

[patent osprey]

I play with a rogue all the time, and hes necro atm so... i have to kyrain

[torpid saffron]

i can't wait to see you kyrian, Plka

[plush tendon]

sad violin

[torpid saffron]

Also.. when more vids on youtube ? 😄

[plush tendon]

at least the top Prot War now is necro

😛

[undone verge]

playing pubs is literal hell compared to playing with ppl

[patent osprey]

true ^.^

[light thicket]

Its not bad at all

[undone verge]

again booming is more defensive

[light thicket]

Yu can always use the extra rage if ypu need more defense

[torpid saffron]

i noticed a pretty big dps decrease while playing BSC

Ofc i felt way safer

[light thicket]

Yep thats the thing

[torpid saffron]

But i don't know if i should go safe or risk to deal more damage

[plush tendon]

BV simmed higher for me

[torpid saffron]

Same for me

[light thicket]

Bsc will be a bigger dps gain with reprisal

[plush tendon]

and this week is a BV week cause im getting in, then leaving

[light thicket]

Ita a matter of choice

[undone verge]

this week im in it, kyrian pot, in it, then im outa there

unless its still on its infinite cooldown

[lime urchin]

Is dis the time of day where us and eu spam le discord together?

[torpid saffron]

aye aye, captain

[lime urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-vibing-vibing-cat-cat-vibing-dancing-cat-gif-18482815

[sterile moss]

yay, a cloak vault day 😒

the cloaks strike again

[torpid saffron]

as for that guy who said that storm bolt is way better in pugs.. at the same time you're right and you're wrong

[mossy sluice]

wrong

[torpid saffron]

because in pugs if you go stormbolt a mob who is casting and some dude also interrupts it

you just wasted your 30s stun on nothing

[mossy sluice]

you still stunned it for 5s

[torpid saffron]

amazing

[mossy sluice]

which is the same effective lockout time

[torpid saffron]

he's gonna reload the cast unlesss interupted

[mossy sluice]

not with all mobs

[cinder storm]

still, you are asking someone who plays with the same people over and over and dont have to rely on randoms

[alpine mantle]

Shouldn’t be a tough choice. Right?

[torpid saffron]

not at all.. if you don't have higher weapon

[alpine mantle]

I have a 194

[undone verge]

heres my final opinion
pubs-SB
premade-DT

[light thicket]

I would take weapon

[torpid saffron]

maybe he has 220/223/226 weapon 😄

[small marsh]

From way back, you might be seeing super top tanks craft Reprisal feet because there's SLG legs that are higher ilvl than any feet that drop from anything. If you're clearing mythic SLG and can get those legs or have them, craft feet, otherwise craft legs.

[alpine mantle]

No 194 weapon

[torpid saffron]

then go for weapon

[light thicket]

This

[undone verge]

weapon

weapon

weapon

[small marsh]

Weapon for sure

[noble nacelle]

If there's little to zero chance I ever kill mythic slg am I better off crafting reprisal legs for the bonus stats

[mossy sluice]

just go legs

[small marsh]

Yeah

[mossy sluice]

next tier could be higher ilvl feet and youre gonna feel dumb

[torpid saffron]

i went for legs

[undone verge]

or vice versa

[torpid saffron]

cuz if you're gonna be able to wear 2 legos

[mossy sluice]

nah cuz legs have higher stats on them

[torpid saffron]

you might also potentially want thunderlord if you liked it

[small marsh]

It's a VERY VERY minor optimization to craft feet over legs if and only if you can get the mythic SLG legs. For all other scenarios it's definitely better to craft legs

[torpid saffron]

and most people crafted thunderlord on feet

[chilly brook]

TL is dead

As is anyways

[mossy sluice]

not most people

[small marsh]

Like even if I were clearing mythic SLG I'd probably still make Reprisal legs

[torpid saffron]

i doubt people can kill mythic SLG arround here

[chilly brook]

If we get 2 legos youd run reprisal and wall

[small marsh]

Because odds are that come next tier you're gonna want legs regardless

[chilly brook]

Likely

Or reverb and reprisal

[small marsh]

Pfft reprisal seismic

For sure

Dangit you sniped me

[noble nacelle]

I mean I like doing damage

[small marsh]

I can't wait for Reprisal seismic, prot gonna fuckin slap

Bsc proc with reverb is gonna crush

[blazing condor]

then they re-ad twilight devastation

[undone verge]

1%

[noble nacelle]

I kinda wish they would do something with WW for prot. It just sits there and only is used in torghast with certain builds

[small marsh]

What about bv/bolster with reverb, now?

[torpid saffron]

i think reprisal/the wall is gonna be the best combo

[small marsh]

For raid definitely

[torpid saffron]

for m+ too

[small marsh]

For M+ I'm all in on reprisal reverb

[undone verge]

what do you guys think the bosses in the new raid are gonna be

feel like we'll fight nathanos

[small marsh]

My logic is that we're covered plenty good with Reprisal

And our damage output is what's hurting us

And the 5 rage from TW isn't enough

[torpid saffron]

also cd reduction on shield wall ?

dude, what are you talking about ?

with AM + the wall you can get shield wall to arround 1 minute

[small marsh]

Sorry I missed a word in what I wrote

[wanton condor]

I'm doubtful we get 2 leggos

[small marsh]

My logic if that we're covered plenty good defensively with Reprisal

[jagged pier]

and u get it at 1:30-2 min with reprisal as u run AM

[small marsh]

I don't feel like I need more defensive power in my kit

Like at all

[mossy sluice]

reverb slaaaaaaaaps

[torpid saffron]

the wall is not only defensive

rage generation aswell

[small marsh]

It's mostly defensive

[torpid saffron]

getting 20 rage per shield slam

feels so GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

dunno about you guys, but i played a lot of wall before reprisal

[small marsh]

Same

[torpid saffron]

i hated thunderlord

[wanton condor]

I just prefer BSC

[torpid saffron]

If, and if we are gonna be able to wear 2 legos they will most likely nerf reverb to what it was

[wanton condor]

Let me use dms as a defensive

[torpid saffron]

so we'd be left with reprisal+wall

[undone verge]

BSC is better if you have good survivability

in the end though surviving>DPS

[torpid saffron]

guess i really need sun king trinket and scale to shine

[tame jasper]

That's the combo I play in m+

[small marsh]

I'm half tempted to start just carrying +1-+4 DOS keys like crazy until I get scale

Ugh

Sounds boring and miserable tho

[torpid saffron]

best combo, you lucky mfcker

[tame jasper]

Yeah I only saw it droped once, in the week after last patch on a low lvl run and upgraded it to 220

[torpid saffron]

yeah, but then it's gonna cost you a lot of valor to upgrade it

[small marsh]

True

[tame jasper]

aye

[torpid saffron]

try to pug the highest you can find

[mossy sluice]

i finally got a vintage after like 15 denathrius kills and i'm just accepting that is the best i'm going to get at this point

[cinder storm]

I ran DoS 20 times before valor and 20 more times after valor

[tardy parcel]

that's quite close to the original valor cap just to get to 220

[small marsh]

Lol I'm also a brain dead fucking moron and passed up on sun king trinket from vault last week

I got a 30 ilvl upgrade for my helmet but still

Feelsbadman

Much easier to get a plate helm than to get that trinket

[wanton condor]

I just don't like feeling pressured to hit DMS on cd with BV

[tame jasper]

yes it was very expensive (got in on < 200 ilvl)

[wanton condor]

means I can hold it for the second round of missed interrupts

[torpid saffron]

Phial of Serenity gonna feel so good in the upcoming Necrotic week 😄

Good luck to Necrolords/NF/Venthyr guys out there

[mossy sluice]

force of nature is a hell of a drug

[patent osprey]

Which ones 😮

[torpid saffron]

Plka, when are we gonna see more vids on youtube ?

[patent osprey]

soon!!! T_T its hard to post on fort weeks T_T

[torpid saffron]

😄

Also.. do you plan on making a guide in the future ?

[patent osprey]

yar

this week

should be done

[sweet summit]

POG

[patent osprey]

i swear to god though

its gonna get so much hate cause theres always people who go

DOUBLE TIME? STORM BOLT?!!!!

.<

its all situational ^.^

prot warrior right now is soooo versatile, u can play different talents, legendaries

and any cov works 🙂

[torpid saffron]

yeah, i guess it's situational prefference

[tame jasper]

Yeah

[torpid saffron]

but we should aim to play with some talents

[tame jasper]

When playing my DH it feels so one-way

[sweet summit]

im curious, what do you think about bolster with reprisal, Plka

[torpid saffron]

if our group allows us to

[devout pike]

reprisal on legs right?

[mossy sluice]

yea

[plush tendon]

unless you ahve big legs and small boots

[torpid saffron]

Plka, i know you can explain us how and when it's good to use Double time/Storm Bolt and also Best Served Cold/Booming Voice

[patent osprey]

I think its reallly good for any dungeons that are physical heavy that you may nto want to kite. So spires is a good example and sanguine depths where bolster with reprisal is very good

But something with a bit more magic damage or bleed, AM is definitely the play

[torpid saffron]

Imagine starting a Racials war on this discord aswell

[patent osprey]

like in DOS the ardenweld area, Bolster is super strong. Makes it so u never have to kite at all basically. But the rest of DOS is better for AM

[torpid saffron]

What ? Tauren ? You should see how good blood elf's dispell is. WHAT ?! Blood elf ? You should see Vulpera 😄

[sweet summit]

yeah i think AM is 100% the play in DoS and Plaguefall at least

[patent osprey]

yeah in PF its all about magic dam, so AM

[blazing gale]

am I the only one who's always offtiming dos because of ardenwald trash packs?

[patent osprey]

I will stay vulpera as long as they have increased inventory slots

[sweet summit]

wait they do???

[dapper coral]

+4

[stable kernel]

Im Orc warr me SMOrc

[sweet summit]

oh my

[torpid saffron]

I thought people went vulpera for "Nose for trouble"

[plush tendon]

I use 6 slot bags, cause you cant have clutter

[tame jasper]

i always have about 3 empty 32er bags ^^

[plush tendon]

more bag space, more clutter

[cinder storm]

me ztrull because of how cool it looks when it cracks its neck

[blazing gale]

btw are you poppping SW Anytime you pull some heavy ranged casters?

[patent osprey]

Nope inventory slots and camp 🙂 Camp is bae for dailies at the start of a patch

[torpid saffron]

Yeah.. camp is also amazing

[small marsh]

How do you ever need more bag space

[torpid saffron]

For guys like you who push high RIO and must be at the peak

[small marsh]

I have 32s and never fill my bags more than a quarter of the way

[patent osprey]

Prot Set, Prot Meme damage set, Arms set, Arms pvp set, Fury ST set, Fury Aoe set, Fury M+ set

[scenic bone]

Can prot do the double pull of a fortified theater of pain 15 at the start of the dungeon comfortably with CDs

[sweet summit]

both packs onto boss?

[small marsh]

Lol I just use max ilvl everything in every slot and call it a day

[patent osprey]

U mean the bloodhorn + the 3? yeah definitely

Into boss, it is SUPER sketchy as prot war

[torpid saffron]

I guess if you have some way of dispelling that guy

[small marsh]

I reuse almost all my prot gear on fury

[patent osprey]

evne when dhs do it, they usualy only can do it by procing cheat death

and staying in meta the entire time

[undone verge]

yeah just have someone sooth the big guy when he enrages

[mossy sluice]

everything but the caster on that pull enrages iirc

[astral crystal]

i only pull the guy on the tauralus into the boss

and yes always with a soothe

[scenic bone]

Yea

Did it last night on my prot paladin and guardian, same key level same gear level

[torpid saffron]

Well, i'm gonna do some keys. Was nice talking to you guys

[scenic bone]

Prot paladin is making me depressed

[patent osprey]

GL have fun 😄

[torpid saffron]

Wish you lads a wonderful evening! Or day, whichever time zone you're in ^^

[blazing gale]

what about double pakc in the zone where you turn back and go to platforms? think I did one 18 where prot war double pulled them and went more smooth than doing 2 pulls

[patent osprey]

DOS? or Spires lol

[torpid saffron]

❤️ I can't wait your guide and vids, Plka! Good luck to you too, sir!!!

[fading salmon]

i feel like stormbolt is kinda int as prot warrior imho

[blazing gale]

top

[torpid saffron]

Those commentary vids truly help noobs like myself

[blazing gale]

you go to the plague area to kill 2 packs and go platforms for better prides

[patent osprey]

theres not enough information there jankes for me to understand haha

[mossy sluice]

theatre

[mighty valley]

oh yeah, there's basically two routes

[mossy sluice]

think hes asking about pulling the whole first plague room

[blazing gale]

yea

[mighty valley]

half the gorechop first room then lich wing, then other half of the room then xav wing

or do xav wing, whole of gorechop first room, then lich wing

both work fine for prides in my experience

[blazing gale]

I just wonder how easy it is to double pull them

you basically onyl need to interrupt withering discharge on 2 adds

and the small adds die super quick

[patent osprey]

oh yeah, i usually pull the entire room there

[wanton condor]

and meat shield and stun devour flesh

needs some coordination

[mighty valley]

if you trust your kicks it's fine, they're not huge damage otherwise

[wanton condor]

but it's not bad

if folks are willing to stack

[blazing gale]

I mostly dps I just throw vortex there and its fine aswell

[patent osprey]

just need to have 1 person assigned to kick withering on each guy and 1 person to kick the horror and stops on the devour from the devourer guy

[blazing gale]

dont trust pugs

[celest chasm]

How impactful is a shield upgrade

Generally

[mighty valley]

the biggest

[celest chasm]

I just went from 190 to 220

[blazing gale]

gratz

[celest chasm]

And hoping it's a big ups

Nice I'm stoked then

[mighty valley]

grats!

[celest chasm]

I was hyped to see it anyway but was wondering how impactful it's going to be but that's sick

Tyty 🥰

[mighty valley]

go forth and do ardenweald in DOS in like three pulls

[blazing gale]

ye yea my tank did that in 19 on last bolstering tyran

guess how it ended up

staghorn with 15 stacks kek

[dapper coral]

if only you could evenly cleave

[sturdy sable]

Just block it

[stable kernel]

15 staghorn funny

just dodge the swirlies that blend in with the ground

[blazing gale]

hard to evenly cleave with half of your teammates being capped at 5

[stable kernel]

[celest chasm]

Just mage 4head

[sturdy sable]

Just st everything down to 10% then start cleaving

[mighty valley]

it's more fun to make the largest spriggan that ever lived

[robust surge]

ugh I want to go kyrian to tank but I'll miss condemn in torghast

[chilly brook]

You won't

Just get the execute at any % power ez

[robust surge]

does spear have decent powers too?

[chilly brook]

Dont remember

I swapped off Kyrian like week 3

Went NF never regretted it

[robust surge]

huh I guess voracious cunning blade applies to execute too

I thought it was condemn only

I thought about night fae but I feel like it's harder to get kyrian dungeon bonuses for spires/wake when you're the tank

[chilly brook]

Nope

[rustic shadow]

Hey Tanky-bois, best soul bind for prot with Venthyr, Draven?

[chilly brook]

Nadjia

[rustic shadow]

ok

for duelist?

[chilly brook]

Draven offers you basically nothing except for extra survivability at a point where you're likely not going to be saved by it anyways

For thrillseeker

[rustic shadow]

That makes a lot of sense

[zealous sun]

im looking for a nice WA to show my seplls and rage anyone has a good one?

[chilly brook]

Thrillseeker is big haste

[rustic shadow]

right but would you take duelist also?

[viral portal]

Hello guys, i know its too late for this but how do you get the pvp armour set (limited time one)

[chilly brook]

In raid yea idk about m+

Wrong person

[rustic shadow]

yeah mythic Raid

[lofty widget]

1800 rating, 2100 for cloak/tabard i think?

[chilly brook]

Then yea I'd take dauntless for raid

Might as well pump some extra damage

[rustic shadow]

I appreciate your input, I feel like I'm having trouble getting answers like this else where. Thanks again!

[haughty flicker]

soooim a new prot warr i lvl 195, today i got a 207 ilvl sanguine vintage in my great vault. from what i read this is a great defensive trinket but i alrerady have two ilvl 200 trinekts. should i still take this over some other huge ilvl upgrades from box?

[dark plover]

yo

[haughty flicker]

i can really sim defensiveness as a tank so im not suree what my bes course of action would be to determine what to take

[dark plover]

do we use stam or str flask

???

[haughty flicker]

stre

str

[dark plover]

kk

[plush tendon]

what other trinkets you got?

[chilly brook]

This is probably what I'd run

Alternatively you could drop stalwart and go with potency and slot ashen

[rustic shadow]

Interesting

[signal plover]

What are the other options when you say "huge Ilvl upgrades"

[chilly brook]

Cant really give you any extra input on that without knowing what your other options are

[rustic shadow]

The Wowhead guide has them slotting Exacting Preparation at the bottom which I thought was confusing. Thanks agin for your help.

[chilly brook]

Pretty certain that you get more damage from dauntless but I could be wrong

Alternatively you can sim your soulbind tree and check for yourself

[rustic shadow]

If not, the damage reduction seems worth at least

You're right, I should definitely do that. Big thanks!

[chilly brook]

[light thicket]

I use the luxthos WA

They're pretty good IMO

[plush tendon]

The one thing I need to do is make it more apparent when SB is up

I use Luxthos as well; nice guy, pretty good WA, not smart enough to make my own

[wanton condor]

the only things I dislike about luxthos is that he puts important CDs on the side and the SB up is hard to tell from SB charge available

[plush tendon]

agreed; honestly Naows look good and I like that current buffs are on top

[sweet summit]

i like whatever i have here

[plush tendon]

I like that

Honestly, might have to make a change away from Luxthos, cause thinking on it now, I do struggle to read SB

😦

[wanton condor]

I just need to steal a better SB one

[cunning parcel]

You can easily customise Lux

[plush tendon]

Yea, but Im not smart enough

[wanton condor]

I've messed around with a lot of the lux stuff to make it fit me

[plush tendon]

The only weakaura Ive ever made was one that responds to people emoting me. But thats not safe for work

[sweet summit]

👀

[plush tendon]

people dissin on my eating nam nam with a spit

had to respond in kind

[sweet summit]

nam nam weak aura is disgusting and you deserved it

[plush tendon]

at least its not the new UWU nam nam UWU or whatever people got now

[tawny citrus]

Questions about how Shield Block, Reprisal, and Bolster work together:

1. If I double-tap Shield Block since I know I will need it continously for the next 12 seconds, to the buffs stack one over the other ?
2. Does Bolster "add" a Shield Block of 15 sec to Last Stand, or is it you act LIKE you have Shield Block up for the duration of Last Stand (so overlapping with an actual charge is a waste) ?
3. Does Reprisal buff (4 sec Shield Block) and a cast of Shield Block at the same time stack for 10 sec of Block ?

4. Is there a cap to the Shield Block timer (like there is a cap of 13.5 sec for Shield of the Righteous) ?

[sweet summit]

shield block stacks to a maximum of 18 seconds
with bolster, it ignores this cap to a maximum of 18+15 seconds
reprisal stacks like normal shield block

bolster does

[distant crystal]

oh snap

[sweet summit]

it got updated with SL

[distant crystal]

is bolster different now

[sweet summit]

yar

[light thicket]

Other day we pugged a warlock that automatically /yelled "choke me, step-sire" every time denathrius used blood price

[sweet summit]

HAHAHA

[light thicket]

Just saying, could be worse

[sweet summit]

i need that WA actually

[light thicket]

And that was our AOTC run

[tawny citrus]

Wow, thank you for your quick answers people :-). So AM cap is 18 sec for Shield Block and 2 full charges of Ignore Pain. Everything stacks, and Bolster ALWAYS works (because it increases AM cap). That's perfect.

[distant crystal]

https://wago.io/CwJ6vGxws

[strong forum]

We have a weakaura that automatically spits on nam nam people

[tawny citrus]

Best Weakaura NA

[sweet summit]

i love u waat

[distant crystal]

had to make up for my misinfo re: bolster

[light thicket]

What is wrong with you people

[sweet summit]

where do i begin :/

[plush tendon]

and I got a weakaura that calls you mean things when you spit on me 😛

[wooden spruce]

and here i am, using wow default interface since 2006 because i'm too lazy to download and config something

[hot oxide]

So, Bolster over AM if you have Reprisal now?

or was that just a general statement?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[ionic fern]

No.

[light thicket]

Used to be just like this

[wooden spruce]

yesterday i did a +10 using raid setup by error (wall+talents) and it felt strange, already got used with AM+Reprisal and the charge/intercept run; also my dmg was low

Is anybody else using rep for raid? I used it last week, the damage was nice and rage gain too, and had no trouble most of the time (did all bosses up to Council on Heroic)

[light thicket]

Should try reprisal in raid

See how it feels

[dapper coral]

It's probably better in Heroic than Mythic CN. There's some fights that are just difficult to charge on in mythic

[mighty valley]

i'm just on default UI with a scattering of weakauras and some of the big standard mods, too stuck in my ways to do a proper overhaul

[dapper coral]

I honestly use the Wall in raids moreso b/c the bonus rage on SS than the CDR on SW

[cinder nova]

Would I be an idiot for going Korayne in M+?

[ionic fern]

No.