But it's an irrelevant parse
#protection
strong forum
sick sentinel
is kyrian still the go to as prot for m+? Or is it necrolord after the buffs?
strong forum
Doesn't count towards allstars
strong forum
is kyrian still the go to as prot for m+? Or is it necrolord after the buffs?
Overall kyrian, necro was overhyped and is only decent in hyper organized groups
lavish oracle
Night fae is very strong also but most dps are fae already
runic crown
omg just tanked 15 SD itwas a f... nightmare, i was melting like butter 220IL plus Reprisal lego, and still i died like a fly, and still received ton of garbage from group plus to reroll to DK. uhhhhh hope you have more luck.
void stump
does targetfriendplayer work or do I need a neme
sick sentinel
Overall kyrian, necro was overhyped and is only decent in hyper organized groups
Thought the banner might help a bit, since 400 mastery, and more rage generation ^^
amber herald
does targetfriendplayer work or do I need a neme
no it works
it's not great though I'd recommend using a mouseover macro as well
it's useful but sometimes it'll intervene someone who is farther away than someone else
true bison
What is the prot rotation?
amber herald
revenge-->revenge-->revenge
true bison
Well ok then
strong forum
Thought the banner might help a bit, since 400 mastery, and more rage generatio...
Kyrian grants 350 mastery on shorter CD and more rage
NF grants insane uptime on high mastery aswell and more rage
So nyeh, like I said, only in hyper organized groups necro is good
sick sentinel
Kyrian grants 350 mastery on shorter CD and more rage
NF grants insane uptime o...
Ah okay, cheers for the overview! Just starting to play prot! And yeah, i'm sadly only really gonna pug since i know none who play 😛
chilly brook
omg just tanked 15 SD itwas a f... nightmare, i was melting like butter 220IL pl...
SD really isn't that bad my guess is you're having rotational issues somewhere
sturdy trench
sd is fine for a prot warr
gotta be carefully with interrupts
and if ppl stack on u in the last corridor
and every1 gets the debuff its not ur fault
lavish oracle
@true bison It's more of a priority than a rotation, shield slam on CD, thunderclap to help generate threat in AoE when you don't have the rage to dump into revenge, keep SB up as much as possible when you're taking blockable damage, dump extra rage into revenge or IP as needed
lofty widget
sd should technically be easier this week since shades give stacks from the canisters too
lavish oracle
There's some nuance to it but that's the very basics
sick sentinel
@strong forum hope it's okay to ask, but after the prot buffs, they aren't that much behind other tanks anymore are they?
livid portal
reprisal legs or boots?
lavish oracle
I'm sure the guides are more detailed, as always, 
chilly brook
<@!192743144276623360> hope it's okay to ask, but after the prot buffs, they are...
Behind in what way
All the tanks are fairly similar tankyness wise with DH and Guardian kinda being outliers in their own ways. We're still competing for last/second to last place in terms of damage dealt but not as big of a gap there anymore
lavish oracle
I feel like our AoE sustained is pretty good after the buffs
sick sentinel
All the tanks are fairly similar tankyness wise with DH and Guardian kinda being...
It was exactly tankyness! Because i kinda dislike dh 😛 Sword and shield is just more special! But also nervous to make the change from guardian druid, ie shield block usage and IP usage
lavish oracle
Like, at least comparable to DH
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> hope it's okay to ask, but after the prot buffs, they are...
Some are saying pwar is gonna become meta m+ tank once they fix the vdh bug, even without that, I'd say we're top 3
sick sentinel
And sometimes i find threat hard as druid :/
lavish oracle
Who do you put top 3?
amber herald
guardian druid health is spikier than warrior but they're about the same in terms of tankiness
chilly brook
Like, at least comparable to DH
We can definitely pump in aoe
lavish oracle
I've heard the argument for brew, but I'm not convinced
And I haven't played mine this xpac, really
sick sentinel
I've heard the argument for brew, but I'm not convinced
Oddly enough, never been a fan of brew, love the theme, but not the playstyle :/
lavish oracle
I mean, Andy's just gonna find a way to make it work no matter what
He's very good at the game
sick sentinel
I mean, Andy's just gonna find a way to make it work no matter what
Thought he switched to dps?
strong forum
Andy switched to dps last patch cuz WW was so much better for keys than brew
And now he's kinda lost I reckon
lavish oracle
Is it just me or is this season's leaderboard way more purple than S4 BFA was brown?
lavish oracle
Living the bear dream
strong forum
Just goes to show that the player matters alot more than the class even on top levels
lavish oracle
I always kinda wonder if he'd do better or worse if he meta swapped
amber herald
I think tomo is top 1 DK as well
lavish oracle
Sounds right
remote tusk
Got all on 15 timed now, pog 😄
sick sentinel
Hey folks. Are you all using reprisal in M+ ?
last mason
can u consistently dodge first boss of SD headbutt
unreal scarab
Huhu fellow tankboys. Do you know where exactly the Schemata for cardboard assassin is to find! I can’t find anything specific online just that it is cataclysm engineering. Cheers in advance!
vocal bison
quick question - does embalmer's oil remove a grievous stack?
or is it considered a periodic heal?
remote tusk
It does not as it is not a direct heal.
vocal bison
thanks
median iris
Hey guys, new to prot. I would like to ask, would you recommend crafting Reprisal on legs or feet?
sick sentinel
Hey guys, new to prot. I would like to ask, would you recommend crafting Reprisa...
I think i read somewhere, legs are better because more stats
remote tusk
Legs.
median iris
Many thanks!
torn garden
I did feet only because I had 226 pants and 213 boots 
last mason
@strong forum u know if u can always dodge headbbutt on first boss sanguine
rich thistle
If i'm unsure of picking NF or Kyrian, what should I pick? I just can't decide, I think NF looks more fun to play but all the fact that no one plays Kyrian makes me unsure.
sweet summit
NF is more damage
kyrian has phial
the only real downside to playing night fae over kyrian is that youre a furry and the covenant set looks god awful :/
jokes aside, you really cant go wrong with either
you can try one at first, and swap to the other one at a later date
shrewd drift
Huhu fellow tankboys. Do you know where exactly the Schemata for cardboard assas...
You get it by just crafting cataclysm recipes as a discovery
remote hawk
Sooo we actually have been talking more magic dmg for a while now. Good to know lol ( us kyrian bois)
restive wigeon
I fucking hate conduit energy
Why doesn't it at least reset when you swap covenants LMAO
remote tusk
Not reset, but the conduits change with your spec.
woven galleon
Vent prot warrior here looking to make the swap to NF.... IS IT WORTH IT? Ill lose all my pvp prowess’s! 😩
woven galleon
HERE GOES NOTHING BRAH time to go HAM
barren socket
did you guys see the let go of the past trait bug?
olive merlin
and the game
scenic bone
is prot warr more resilient than prot pal in 9.0.5?
sweet summit
resilient?
scenic bone
Tanky
sweet summit
yeah we are
scenic bone
Sick of getting blown up on mine
true bison
I would say prot warrior is like 3rd in tankiness, thoughts?
sweet summit
somewhere around that yeah
true bison
Think bear is still thicc boi followed by VDH then warrior
scenic bone
Yea bear is what I swapped to from prot pal so I could finish my KSM
mystic ridge
Against any damage that's blockable it's #1 and it's not particularly close, so if we could just pretend that magic and bleeds don't exist....
true bison
Yea no I made a bear like 2 weeks ago and it’s been good but those warrior buffs for all specs lately just had me coming back to the old main
scenic bone
Speaking of, does the heavy defensive benefits of Draven make up for the meh ability prot gets from going venthyr?
scenic bone
👀
feral remnant
Hi guys i decided to play prot (my main its a brew). I readed the guides and i noticed that the st dump rage ability its Devastate,yet i cant find it in the spellbook. I even made a macro for it but i still unable to use it. Its this a bug? Appreciate the help
sweet summit
jokes aside, i do actually recommend nadjia over draven as venthyr
you picked devastator as a talent
it replaces devastate
and its just passive
heavy sail
Paladin is pretty squish. They make up for it by doing huge dam though.
scenic bone
Interesting, I assume since NF/Kyrian are damage and rage generation, I'd just have to cope with not having similar rage gen on a CD ye?
sweet summit
revenge is your main offensive rage dump no matter what talents you play
outside of execute phase ofc
heavy sail
Heh... dump
feral remnant
Ok ty @sweet summit
sweet summit
Interesting, I assume since NF/Kyrian are damage and rage generation, I'd just h...
yeah, rage gen is pretty solid even without those spells tho
scenic bone
Sick
sweet summit
like i rarely felt rage starved unless i ook ooked myself
scenic bone
glad to hear that 😅
this xpac sucks, beyond annoyed that the one covenant I vibe with (venthyr) is so dysfunctional on pala for mixed pve/pvp enjoyment
true bison
So venthyr is viable for prot? Because I wanted to play both prot and fury
sweet summit
its not the best, but yeah
heavy sail
Is ele shaman better because of the EQ buff, or just nerfs to other specs
sweet summit
youll be more than fine as venthyr
heavy sail
I’m out of the know
scenic bone
ele is dope
heavy sail
But they went from parsing like 7th to 3rd/4th in 9.0.5
heavy sail
Actually yeah it’s more about hunters and monks
That accounts for most of the increase
And unholy has sorta fallen off
Not entirely but it’s not super dominant anymore
Either way shaman stonks are up
Invest
sweet summit
📈
scenic bone
I assume the 9.0.5 buffs at least alleviated prot's threat gen ye?
sweet summit
GRATS!
hollow bolt
so many depleted Sanguine depts
torpid wolf
what ilvl were you? @hollow bolt
hollow bolt
atleast i got 2 experiance the full lego did around 3.3-3.5k overall
pfft 222ish? i shouda went for it way earlier
all offensive trinkets ;p so the crit proc and the wine glass
and as venthr
it was uuuh
intresting
sweet summit
crit proc one?
sweet summit
oh right
hollow bolt
nah its fine im enjoying the reskined water ele
im still riding this high
i can now say with no doubt it my mind
prot sucks doo doo butter
and im sorry for every group that somehow survived my disaster keys
remote hawk
so many depleted Sanguine depts
This......omfg that instace destroys ppl
paper wedge
Guys, sorry if it is a common question around here, but, i'm leveling a protec warrior and i need to choose a covenant, i was reading about necrolord, but i don't know, the lack of information kinda raise the question here hahaha can someone please give me a brief of what i choose for what occasion?
blazing condor
🙂
blazing condor
No worries mate just better info to be found there
paper wedge
thanks a lot!
paper wedge
mast buff is THAT good for everyone? i mean, my main is warlock, and mastery is heaven, but i got guildies that play fire mage and mastery is not that good
true bison
@hollow bolt you think warrior is do do?
sweet summit
yeah its great if you can coordinate shit
i dont like it, too much of a hassle for my monkey brain
heavy sail
+400 secondary for anyone regardless of the exact effect will be good.
But yeah it’s not exactly equal for all classes and specs
proud acorn
Fire mage here, mastery is bis I sim myself for pi and banner https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTjLqrIHHzQdK7fRCLBkY9wG1yhqMnMajeaBzlJ0SQzb8-_tgHQg99iQ1461zA3PaNqE-S32GWYEJXw/pubhtml#
heavy sail
Mastery for fire mage is just afterburn right
proud acorn
Yes but if you sim for that it becomes bis stat
heavy sail
Definitely big value for higher keys in particular.
It’s very good for MM wild spirits window
Which is still one of the best burst CDs in the game
Might still be the best idk
proud acorn
Best is balance with ordenance
By far
Problem is mage needs banner at second 0 a d ordenance at second 20
So is better to not go ordenance and take banner early
jolly coral
Gnight everyone, i havea quick question, anyone have a Charge/intervene macro? i'll try to do one but i can't do it well
outer solstice
good evening everyone
you guys thing it#w worth upgrading a 210 crit mastery weapon with avoidance to 220 ? currently running a vers mastery 220 ...
lucid dew
I wouldn’t think so
vagrant cape
I don't think so, unless all of your other gear is also 220+ and you're capping on valour
@outer solstice
lucid dew
Maybe a pox storm would be worth it
outer solstice
It is all 220+
but not even close capping valor
I mean if that weapon had haste... But no
thin brook
should i use versa or haste trinket for prot for duegeon also on amulet strenght stamina crit or stamina crit haste ?
it is 3 type of amulet for prot warrior for leveling
with one is best ?
anyone ?
thin brook
ok
limpid pawn
So is necro not as great as we'd hoped?
amber herald
the point of the patch was to make it equal to the other covenants, which it did
it got buffed from being terrible to pretty good
there was a lot of hype but it's still decent just depends if you want to play with it or not
steel steeple
can you use fleshcraft to get off a zandalari troll racial Regeneratin' ?
hot oxide
I went night fae
I miss kyrian, but i do more with night fae. I got tired of dps fighting over banner in pugs
toxic prairie
Getting first tank leggo to start pushing 10 and up keys, am I an idiot for still wanting to use The Wall?
cerulean pebble
The wall is fine for mythic +.
toxic prairie
I like the thought of reprisal but pugging keys, I kind of want the safety blanket of having wall and bolster
sturdy sable
Well
Having block for most of the dungeon would probably be more of a safety blanket then wall
muted pendant
how do you guys feel comparing wall and reprisal in the m+ 15-20 range? not running bolster bu AM propably further increases our dmg, which was the main reason why I switched over to my brm for tanking higher keys
graceful pewter
Hi guys. New Prot warrior here. Need help with a macro! How do I make it to where on my Heroic Throw macro my Bag of Tricks pops first if its up and then if its not up it just heroic throws instead. Thanks !
Don't believe this was working. Had same macro in a leveling dungeon earlier and I couldn't heroic throw
but the bag of tricks was working
hot oxide
bag of tricks is the vulpera racial right?
do you have it set for heal or dmg?
also, isn't it /cast
instead of use?
graceful pewter
need some answers
paper garden
Regarding Reprisal change, does it also work with the Best Served Cold talent as well???
would assume it does... but wouldn't mind confirmation if anyone knows
remote hawk
Regarding Reprisal change, does it also work with the Best Served Cold talent as...
Yes
paper garden
Thank you.
crude whale
got a question for the hive mind lol
on mythic sunking, does shattering throw work on the shield on the shade?
i would use it and the shield would drop but i cant tell if its because of my shattering or if it was just a coincendence
crude whale
so it would drop it on its own then/
sturdy sable
It just does 500% damage to the shield it still needs to be DPSed down
crude whale
ahhh gotcha
sturdy sable
It's just a big ol nuke
sturdy sable
Just a medium ole nuke
tawny citrus
Anywhre I can find info on Soulbinds ? Or do I just follow Wowhead ?
atomic schooner
can anyone explain opener to the poor brained dh player?
seems like im struggling to have aoe threat on pull
remote hawk
Blame the dps for not letting you even hit a tclap before they use everything
atomic schooner
i dont want to blame
i want to pump
i mean on my dh i just jump in, use immolation aura and im fine
so what should i do on my warrior
the ravager is literraly doing 0 threat idk
the only real thing is spear of bastion but its on cd half of the pulls
sturdy sable
Rav
hot oxide
if you got reprisal, charge in hit revenge and you should be good
atomic schooner
no reprisal 😦 freshie alt
hot oxide
heroic jump in, DEMO, TC then w/e you need to survive
spring umbra
sturdy sable
It's a debuff so yes but like not alot
royal yoke
Does Necrolord banner buff the 2 nearest allies dynamically? If I move, does it move the buff to my 2 nearest allies if my proximity to people changes?
Or is it permanently on the 2 closest people at the time it’s cast
mighty egret
Does Necrolord banner buff the 2 nearest allies dynamically? If I move, does it ...
2nd anwser
trim bay
hey guys. i have read the pins just curious with Reprisal do we spec AM or still use bolster?
sturdy sable
you can run AM with reprisal
But if you absolutely feel like you need MORE uptime bolster can be picked
Also run best served cold with reprisal for maximum damage
tawny citrus
So Shout becomes purely a defensive ?
Also: Do you rune Double Time over Storm Bolt in M+ ?
wanton condor
Yes, and it depends?
Do you think an extra stun is useful for that dungeon?
SoA I think so
HoA it can be
ToP definitely
DOS meh
tawny citrus
Alright, so situational, as I thought. Lots of guides are black/white, I love the kind of advice you just gave me. Thx Sigma
wanton condor
I really like it in top for the devour flesh and soa for the guys who jump out and cast at you
SD and HoA are nice for making sure no loyal beasts get off
tawny citrus
Yeah those guys are awful
I mean, if it's only for Loyal Beast, Shockwave should do the trick considering how low the cast frequency is. Intimidating Shout can act as a pseudo-interrupt too.
wanton condor
My general use is the pre first shard and pre boss pull
Where they might be on cd
And the third shard having another stun is useful as you don't want to shout there
trim bay
@sturdy sable cheers for that. do you run want 45 lvl talent do you run? is ravager tstill the go to?
wanton condor
Yup
near pewter
Hey does anyone know offhand if you can block and parry etc while channling flesh craft?
hot oxide
had to stop gearing my alts. can't keep up with 10 chars. prot warr was starting to fall behind
unique shale
Hey does anyone know offhand if you can block and parry etc while channling fles...
i don’t think so
last mason
do i have unrealistic expectations
i feel like pug dps in 19-20+ should all be 6.5k+
in nearly any dungeon
but most of the time theyre bbarely hitting 6k
if im lucky
most of the time its like 5.5k-6k
compact palm
This week is skewed because spiteful extends combat
But otherwise I feel like those expectations are reasonable
iron forum
it depends so much on dungeon though
i do 9-10k in halls, but i do 6k in plaguefall
also as NF im doing higher overall than i ever have because of first strike and constant aoe
rare plank
what does your shield block uptime % look like in duengons usually?
hexed needle
stupid ass question: can you actually mitigate damage from pride?
toxic otter
of course?
chilly brook
But otherwise I feel like those expectations are reasonable
Spiteful isn't keeping me from doing 6-7k
It really shouldn't be keeping anyone from that tbh
compact palm
It messes with details
As it keeps u in combat and u shouldn't be face tanking it as melee
oblique garnet
orchid frigate
got into a discussion with a friend of mine that says that there's most magical damage in m+ where as i thought its mostly physical. could there be some sources to back me up on that?
split wyvern
Well in terms I would say physical, auto attacks are physical. You probably get hit more with auto attacks than special abilities or spells. Run a dungeon and look at the what happened to me long in the chat box in game.
elfin nova
I mean you can just look at damage taken in details
lime urchin
Check the pins for the spell reflect spreadsheet. On that you see a details screenshot of type of damage intake per dungeon
There is much more physical damage than magical damage, but I think the magical damage is more dangerous part of the dungeons
chilly brook
As it keeps u in combat and u shouldn't be face tanking it as melee
Spiteful got nerfed, you can safely dps them as melee without getting slapped
And I'm well aware that it keeps you in combat
Still did 7.3k in SD tonight
chilly brook
Your melee range is longer than theirs now
chilly brook
Only time spiteful has really sucked this week is when the boomie knocks the ones that are focused on me into me
compact palm
Haha
wild sandal
how much SB uptime should i get without playing double time, with reprisal ofc
amber siren
26 assuming back-to-back charge use with charge and intervening
seconds that is
with no gaps
wild sandal
thank you, i meant like the end of dungon uptime, yesterday i had 65% but i see most people saying should be around 80% but with double time , so was woundring
amber siren
Oh, right you mean total % uptime
SB is a poor metric for total % uptime since it requires effective use rather than just keeping it up for as long as possible like a DOT or a bleed
80% might look better on paper than 60% but the player with 60% only used their block when it was required rather than the player with 80% who was using it when he was kiting, taking magic damage, taking unblockable damage etc
vocal granite
Maybe try to watch on warcraft logs a run from Nerftank on his war and check his SB uptime
wild sandal
ok rybie, thank you, i should paymore attention to when press it
jagged pier
SB is a poor metric for total % uptime since it requires effective use rather th...
uptime is a very poor metric all u need to care about is the amount of blocked hits
for instance with about 75-80% 'uptime' on sludgefist u can get 100% blockedhits
amber siren
Yep, that's what I said.
sand condor
Well i can die on sludgefist to my co tank missing his soaks
Even with a90+ % blocked
unique tree
I am running Disturb the Peace aswell as Rumbling Earth on my prot atm, so I have a shitton of shockwaves. But I've seen that most people run double charge/stormbolt and another conduit. is it because of stun dr? I feel like having a 20sec aoe stun feels more comfortable
ionic fern
Yes, one reason is the stun DR.
The other one is just having 2 separate stuns.
in general you have someone with a AoE stun in a m+ group already so you can alternate between you two. Having Storm Bolt just provides you with an extra interrupt without DR'ing all the other enemies.
proper moss
Hey guys. I recently rolled Necrolord and was wondering if any of you have a nice rotation for the banner? I have a little hard time finding out when to pop it. Is it coordinated with my grp before we go, so they know which packs to use cd's while I have popped banner. Hope the question make sense 🙂
compact palm
Voice helps a lot with it
U wanna pop it with your dps's cds
U can coord that before
Theres no real rotation for it as you are taking banner for them not for you
odd verge
Hey guys. I recently rolled Necrolord and was wondering if any of you have a nic...
^+1
I rolled Necro about a week ago and yeah, no other easier way other than voice. On chat it feels clunky, and you gotta be a coordinated group. Although fleshcraft is really nice with 40% absorb and mogs are noice, but i think im gonna be swapping back to kyrian.
proper moss
Yeah, guess i'll call it more often to hold cd's so they have some on banner 🙂
thanks for the input guys!
orchid frigate
wonder what will happen to DHs meta status if they get their magical dmg thingy fixed
amber siren
Still very strong damage, AoE silence, kiting and defensives
So probably not a whole lot
topaz crescent
DH still brings 5% more dmg to most of the meta dps specs, so doubt it will change anything
orchid frigate
been taking some havocs to my pugs in order to adjust that. fun thing is that in my weird pugs it hasnt been rare that the havoc has outdpsd the meta dps specs 😄
topaz crescent
Havoc pumps on aoe
orchid frigate
true
sick sentinel
hi guys what is the prot warrior main stat haste - master or haste - ver and prot warrior need crit ? tnx all
jagged pier
ilvl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haste >>> vers >= crit > mastery
blazing condor
Mog > ilvl
mental scarab
DiD>mog>ivl 
graceful pewter
My prot warrior is a fresh alt... What do you guys usually do on ur alt to get like 200 ilvl fast?
I don't know how to play Arms so I don't know if I can play PVP
Would be tough
round scarab
Daily wins from epic battlegrounds is how I got my 200 shield. Only 400 conquest needed and epic bgs are so coin flip your low ilvl won't be a detriment
heavy sail
Get legendary ASAP, finish covenant campaign, LFR CN 10/10, conquest shield, buy BoEs if you have the money.
Should be able to get 200 ilvl within 2-3 days
blazing condor
yeah you can buy 180 ilvl or something pretty cheap from AH to begin with
tired hawk
About ilvl >>> secondaries, I've a neck 47crit 147 mast (213ilvl) and the pvp one 40 haste 134 vers (200ilvl)
does this apply to neck/rings, or not rly?
tepid nest
it applies less so to rings/necks, as they dont have main stat. That's a general rule anyway, I don't know specifically about prot warr
lofty widget
i reckon since our stats are so even compared to each other, more stat>"good" stat, so i would probably roll with the 213 neck
especially when its 13 ilvl difference
heavy sail
Correct.
Stat budget is almost always better than a set priority.
But, when in doubt, sim away
heavy sail
PvP is kinda poorly optimized for most specs in PvE.
But it’s still really good
And really easy to get
blazing condor
i cba to grind 2k rating just to spam honor to get better stats ._.
tired hawk
@tepid nest @lofty widget thank you for answering (I was finishing my dungeon :))
random oasis
Hey guys, I want to play play and gear prot but at some point id like to play arms in pvp, whats the best covenant to go for in this case
shy python
Hi!
Is there a list of all reflectable spells?
random oasis
theres one in the faq i think
sonic plume
hi, does anyone have the WA with shield block and ignore pain that "glows" when they're active? i saw it on someones stream and couldnt find it
inland raft
Just look on wago there should be dozens of them, simple aura was like that take like 5 seconds to make though
uneven mason
Hey guys, I want to play play and gear prot but at some point id like to play ar...
Any of them are strong, Venthyr seems to be the go to for arms in PVP, but its the "weakest" for prot.
NF/Kyrian are balanced all around and also gives you large burst dmg for M+.
NL can be incredibly strong if you have a coordinated team built around using the group buff, the snare immunity in PVP Is also substantial.
(Play whatever one you like tbh)
sick sentinel
When I played prot pala in bfa, I had a wa that printed my shield of righteousness usage, is there a similar one for prot?
woeful trellis
Hey mates 👋 we will do myth lady today any strat tipps etc?
haughty sleet
You’ll need to use your earballs for the ghosts
woeful trellis
Earballs? 😆
fiery wing
so with reprisal should we feet or legs?
surreal sinew
legs generally feet if you can get slg mythic
woeful trellis
Legs if u not 9/10 myth
surreal sinew
for inerva all i can say is don't mess up the ghost facing mechanic and you can reflect the big add's debuff
i think he meant eyeballs actually
earballs sounds like some vulpera shit
surreal sinew
tbh the encounter is mostly on dps and healers
you just need to move the boss well enough and not die
surreal sinew
☝️
analog tide
Just a general rule of thumb when you're pulling large packs of mobs, to keep threat up is it basically mandatory to use revenge when you get the rage to keep it aggro'd or can you normally do it with just Thunderclap?
surreal sinew
tc isn't strong enough when some classes start hitting i find
sweet summit
you need to use revenge
surreal sinew
reprisal fixes that easily
analog tide
Thanks 🙂
Mid pull I feel like my rage generation is garbage and it kinda becomes a choice between shieldblock/ignore pain and revenge
rare kraken
ravager too
analog tide
I think I'm just doing something wrong with my rotation
rare kraken
what are your talents?
analog tide
Lemme check
sweet summit
do you have logs?
analog tide
Well a preface
I'm leveling rn but I'm level 45 so if gear/late game stuff fixes rage
then I'm just stupid :^)
My talents are
sweet summit
oh lmao yeah no worries then
analog tide
Ah ok then
analog tide
I'm new to tanking/warrior so I just though I was missing a key part of the rotation to get some rage
I love learning this stuff though 🙂
sweet summit
leveling is always fucked tbh
should get a lot better as you reach 60 and get some gear
analog tide
Leveling as Prot Warrior is pretty easy
just spam dungeons
get insta que pop
lol
but the rage generation is so bad
surreal sinew
you hsould have ravager so pick that if you haven't, it'll help
remote tusk
Worst part is not having full kit 😦
sweet summit
^
analog tide
I used to only play hunter
never raided before, etc.
so using more than 3 buttons is very fun for me lol
Rn my talents are: Punish, Double TIme, Booming Voice, Crackling Thunder, Indomitable
and then I'll spec into Ravenger
and Anger Management
sweet summit
when you finish leveling, or now to get used to it, i recommend devastator over punish
it gives more average shield slam resets, which means more rage and more damage
remote tusk
Also pressing Devastate 😒
mystic ridge
Definitely has the added benefit of avoiding an RSI from devastate
uneven mason
RSI - repetitive stress injury I'm thinking
remote tusk
At least it feels less bad when it's gotten through pressing Condemn. 
analog tide
I should always have enough rage to have Ignore Pain/Shield BLock perma up correct?
remote tusk
Shield Block.
uneven mason
I wouldn't worry about banking rage
except for times when you know there is a big damage spike coming
torn garden
Imagine always having enough rage
uneven mason
imagine not thinking about it
I mean, I'll miss reprisal bigtime whenver it becomes not the go to or next Xpac
because of the rage budget it allows for.
but it really promotes bad habits
if you're not using that much rage hah
turbid sandal
Hi all! I'm kind of new to tanking in SL, 9.05 specifically. I'm currently leveling a prot warrior. Is Kyrian still the go-to for tanks for M+? I just find it kind of boring, and want any excuse to go back to Venthyr. I can't find a lot of resources for prot warriors for this patch.
uneven mason
not much changed this patch besides NL not being a dumpster fire anymore
surreal sinew
if you want to go vent you'll manage
uneven mason
and reprisal giving us a "good" lego rather than "best of 'Meh'
surreal sinew
there's no wrong choice for prot rn
gaunt crane
I really like night fae because of the aoe interrupt/stun
and rage
and extra mobility
uneven mason
yeah I've been NF for most of the Xpac
its pumpers
If you really wanna be Venthyr tho
be Venthyr
Condemn is strong ST
and their soulbinds are good
surreal sinew
yeah i was venthyr for most of the xpac and it was fine
uneven mason
you'll miss some AE BURST in M+ but have condemn for pumping on Tyrannical
sweet summit
venthyr has the best mog
sweet summit
i am not wrong
turbid sandal
Hmm. I like Kyrian because of my steward. My druid is already NF, so I was avoiding that just to have some variety.
sweet summit
you are
turbid sandal
I also think Venthyr has the best mog. >_< Necrolord second, Kyrian third (except for cupholder shoulders). NF has the worst mog. Sorry NF 😦
uneven mason
Shoulders are also horrible for clipping
like oldschool hunter "TWIN TOWERS" shoulders
and fringes on boots/gloves? Seriously, country music awards Azeroth version.
turbid sandal
Condemn seems so fun for dps. My dps spec is Arms
jagged pier
imagine using covenant Tmog when mythic CN exsists
uneven mason
Imagine using Mythic CN transmog when LFR exists
sweet summit
imagine getting to keep the loot you get in raids :/
uneven mason
bigoof
signal plover
Imagine getting M CN shoulder loot
uneven mason
Imagine getting M CN shoulder loot
starting work on Hungering tonight
jagged pier
im like only plate wearer in my raid 🤷
uneven mason
As long as I can get past the roster boss again
uneven mason
big oof
chain skips?
or just keeping lockout to bang on Council/SLG?
since that seems to be a legit thing
signal plover
We've been extending since council trying to sneak a reclear in between a boss kill and prog but we killed both council and sludge on a Tuesday so can't reclear on the second night
And now that we're on SLG we kinda just wanna slam that
Not to mention reclears are riskier this tier (morale wise since you'd keep the lockout) cuz boss have much tighter error margins.
Like artificer just gives our raiders flipperhands
turbid gazelle
frail wyvern
We just got to sludge last night, not reclearing before we get CE i think
signal plover
After sludge is a good time for it if the kill lands on the right night
I think after the quagmire of SLG we kinda wanna ride the kill momentum into CE
frail wyvern
Its the 2 night per week raiding dilemma
signal plover
Yeh
uneven mason
Yeah I mean, not in mythic but I extended my guilds HC Sire lockout for 3weeks
because fights that take 6 minutes to reach the actual challenging part of the fight are great to progress on
signal plover
Luckily heroic hasn't ever been an issue for this team but yeah, same concept
uneven mason
If I had 20 people who played at the level of my 8 core members
frail wyvern
I dont think we extended for HC sire, but we did chop the raid team down to get the first kill
signal plover
Such is the climb
uneven mason
I dont think we extended for HC sire, but we did chop the raid team down to get ...
That's a compromise I'll almost never make for heroic prog
signal plover
Yeah we cut trials/low dps as well for the first one, and it was on an off night
uneven mason
If its a DPS check I'll make the call
signal plover
Not much of a choice when it unlocks higher Ilvl loot from vault
frail wyvern
We were missing the 3rd set of adds skip so cutting out some low dps, especially ones who were consistently below or only hovering above tanks, was the easiest way for us
uneven mason
We reformed this guild after our previous GM was basically cutting people without actually discussing what they needed to improve on or when it wasn't even a DPS issue, but a mechanics one due to poor explination/plannning
Even when people are hitting me with tells that its a DPS check issue and we needed to start trimming people for boss HP.
Sometimes people do crap damage because they're not doing mechanics, and thats what it turned out to be, since we got sire down without cutting anyone.
but yeah, wish some folks would put some headlight fluid into their shoulders and HNGGGG a bit harder at the meters
frail wyvern
Ours were just some bad players who couldn't parse above 15 on any boss 😂
We reformed for SL after quitting in 8.3, so quite a few newbies to the team that needed filtering
uneven mason
but Atm I'm just trying to get above 20 people
"beggars can't be choosers" and all that
frail wyvern
I'm in charge of recruitment, as soon as I get to a point that the roster is full, within 2 days somebody else leaves
uneven mason
TFW a toxic GM who couldn't be bothered to parse above grey (which is bad for a prot warrior) herself cause you to lose over a dozen raiders in 2 weeks
frail wyvern
Yeah that doesn't help at all
All our leavers quit the game rather than moving to other guilds, but recruitment in general can be tough
uneven mason
yeah, well games population is stabilizing so some consolidation might start happening
surreal sinew
should start seeing people who want to keep playing and who won't quit in two weeks mainly/hopefully
uneven mason
basically
frail wyvern
Yeah its that time in a tier, happens every time
surreal sinew
do you keep the renown if you switch back to a cov you abandoned ?
or is it back from scratch
haughty sleet
keep
wanton condor
I'm not sure if the sub bleed period is over, if anything it might be getting worse now that the flash of 9.0.5 has worn off
surreal sinew
sweet, i'm not sure i made the right choice going nl 😦
haughty sleet
necro feels bad to me, and the coordination you need to pull off the buff isnt the easiest
wanton condor
on that front, can you have multiple "take me back, I can change" to covenants going at once?
surreal sinew
but in theory, you could "level" all covs to 40 ?
wanton condor
yes
frail wyvern
9.1 does look far away right now, but most of our active guys are working on alts and things at the moment @surreal sinew
surreal sinew
might do that
haughty sleet
i have venth fae and kyrian at 35+
wanton condor
I'm in the middle of the Venthyr take me back and swapped from kyrian to NF to try it out
wanted to have both on deck jic
frail wyvern
I'm probably (hopefully) playing Brew next tier so haven't really thought about grinding all covenants on my warrior
surreal sinew
makes sense, all there is to do really, it's why i'm thinking i might give nf a shot, althoug i can't be arsed to redo that campaign again
i come from brew, don't go there
roll is too easy
uneven mason
TFW you "hopefully" want to swap to smoothbrain weak tank
frail wyvern
Lol I love my brew 😂
surreal sinew
i prefer having to shout at my ele to place properly so i can intervene out ><
frail wyvern
I went warr tank because they were trash as dps and monk was good as dps
uneven mason
Monks not so hot anymore
"Bug fixes"
they took a can of raid to that spec
my WW is crying
frail wyvern
Yeah indeed, although my brew isn't geared enough to jump in at sludgefist and we have no dps warr for buffs
surreal sinew
mine rerolled
astral crystal
ww ain't even that bad
uneven mason
TFW you're relying on a MW for the physical debuff
astral crystal
they'll be fine
uneven mason
compared to "pre fixes" WW Is probably closer to fury
which is not a good spot to be
yeah I think mine is working on a hunter
wish he'd go DH
at least he'd supply something useful
surreal sinew
think hunter's pretty dog too rn
uneven mason
Like my paladin co tank "I'm leveling a guardian!!"
*Looks at 4 druids on the roster
Well you know Vengeance is really good for m+
"I'm LEVELING A GUARDIAN!!!" 🐻 🤤
wanton condor
I was working on my sin rogue as part of my off-meta project but nooooooo, they had to buff them and make them good
surreal sinew
my vdh is going guardian
uneven mason
I just want the 5% Spelldmg buff for the raid
0 demonhunters
and yeah, Guardian is the BrM of SL
wanton condor
I have a vdh for low ilvl alt runs, god it's boring
frail wyvern
Dh dps isn't as bad as it was, if you need a body in your raid
surreal sinew
i want to murder the lad
frail wyvern
Still not great but we run 2 or them without issue
uneven mason
Legit can't find a single Havoc DH
seen like 2 all Xpac
I'd take one
but they're rare than feral druids
wanton condor
they all quit once they realized the only things keeping their brains from melting out their years was infinite stars
frail wyvern
You can take our one who always has to be asked to release after a wipe, if you want? 😂
uneven mason
Funny we have a WA that stops you from realeasing after a wipe because we almost always have a soulstone
frail wyvern
I mean accept the res, he is always texting on his phone during raid
surreal sinew
i'd trad you our mage who's always high
uneven mason
if you wanna sext you can do it on your game
uneven mason
i'd trad you our mage who's always high
depends on the high
I have a couple who is always baked but does fine
surreal sinew
performs fine and after 11 he turns into a wipe magnet
frail wyvern
High dps? 😂
surreal sinew
up until like 11 yeah
he's still here ccause he's decent up to a poitn
we just need to have killed the boss and be progging smth else by then ^^
bright hornet
is there a spreadsheet for prot warriors? i have items of equal ilvl that im curious how they'd impact me
bright hornet
ye i saw one for banner not gear
surreal sinew
if it's equal ilvl it's going to depend on if oyu want dps or more survivability
with haste always a priority
(for dps you can use raidbots/a sim tool)
bright hornet
so haste always, mastery for surviavability, and sim for dps if thats what i want?
well mastery/vers i guess
surreal sinew
vers is better i think
bright hornet
kk. ty
surreal sinew
stalwart guardian and unnerving focus as endurance
show of force or cov for potency
and finesse depends a bit more
but i'd say inspiring presence or disturb the peace
light thicket
and finesse depends a bit more
The rallying cry one if you are raiding i suppose
wanton condor
inspiring presence is great all around
light thicket
Biut im kind of an asshole
light thicket
Show of force and spear one
wanton condor
show of force is incredibly mediocre
surreal sinew
gives a nice burst
wanton condor
turns a defensive into an offensive
I feel like of our non-covenant conduits, 2 good defensives, 1 good finesse, 0 good potency
so you slap on the covenant conduit and call it a day
surreal sinew
nl banner conduit is ok
indigo zinc
thanks for all the help, havent played warrior since BC haha
light thicket
Yeah conduits are kinda underwhelming
jagged bramble
do we play AM now with reprisal?
toxic prairie
Yea it’s kind of a bummer, I re rolled prot warrior from prot palsy and I was like “meh” conduit wise
blazing condor
do we play AM now with reprisal?
Most do yeah since you got such high uptime
small marsh
AM+BSC
blazing condor
You can also run BSC instead of booming voice
small marsh
I like bounding stride as well
If you do charge, sb, intervene, sb*3 it's 32 seconds of shield block, and you can bounding away after to stall for about ten seconds then do it all again
surreal sinew
sb is capped at 3* it's duration
small marsh
And you functionally have 100% block uptime any time stuff is in melee with you
Yeah you space the abilities out some
surreal sinew
a bit more with bolster
small marsh
That's just the order you hit them in
small marsh
At this point with Reprisal I think AM is legitimately stronger defensively than bolster
More shield block doesn't add a ton of defensive power to our kit because we already have so much
More shield wall does
surreal sinew
☝️
small marsh
But yeah that spell blob I rattled out is actually like... Charge, SB, wait five or six seconds, intervene, shield block, wait like ten seconds, shield block, wait a few more seconds, last shield block, bounding leap away to let your shit reset, repeat
Definitely don't just mash it all
And weave the normal shit in
It's just an easy method to reliably spit out thirty seconds of block time on demand and can be repeated. I think maybe you come up short on cycle #2 when you're at like the fourth shield block? But also leap will be back up by then easily cause if you kite for 5-10 seconds you only need 20-25 seconds of SB before leap comes back up
wanton condor
idk, 2min bolster with covering gaps helps if a pull drags at all
small marsh
You can do SB cycle - leap - SB cycle forever
undone verge
personally I love BM over BSC that extra rage gen is very nice
wanton condor
16s of 30% health on a 2min vs extra Shield Wall defensively I think leans in the former's favor
I vastly prefer BSC because it means I can hold BM
undone verge
I think AM is better since with the uptime of shield block with reprisal, last stand just serves as a 30 second healing and health increase
signal plover
I'd never run bolster with reprisal
small marsh
And boy howdy having avatar basically every pull is great
signal plover
Maybe in super high keys you still need bolster if u wanna face tabk
small marsh
Actually to check, Sigma did you mean bolster with Reprisal or no
Cause that was my read of what you said, and what I disagree with
wanton condor
I was saying I like bolster with reprisal
signal plover
These are mine for reprisal in m+
wanton condor
but I also often run with a disc priest I don't hugely trust >.>
honestly it's almost a safety blanket for me more than anything else
signal plover
No
surreal sinew
free inting
blazing condor
🤔
wanton condor
menace doesn't feel particularly needed now that they nerfed spiteful
signal plover
Menace was never needed
wanton condor
the real power move is bolster + seismic
undone verge
these are the talents I think are best
1-Devastator but war machine is also maybe viable
2-Double time, but storm bolt or rubling earth are also viable
3-BV but BSC is also viable
4-Crackling thunder, but bounding stride also works
5-indomitable
6-ravager
7-AM or Bolster
wanton condor
you can pry devastator out of my cold dead hands
sweet summit
war machine is only "viable" in torghast
storm bolt>dt>re
bsc>BV with reprisal
rest is fair
undone verge
idk in M+ storm bolt doesnt really hold up
signal plover
Why would you not run AM with seismic tho
sweet summit
you have like 0 block uptime then
signal plover
idk in M+ storm bolt doesnt really hold up
Wot
small marsh
Devastator needs to be made standard and not a talent
Holy fuck I'll never switch off devastator
Ever
signal plover
you have like 0 block uptime then
I mean, I wouldn't run seismic in any srs keys tho
Just slappa memes
odd verge
Rumbling Earth + Disturb the peace = letthebodieshitthefloorletthebodieshitthefloorletthebodieshitthe..FLOOOOOR
sweet summit
negative, sir
small marsh
I'd run seismic for spamming low keys for farming valor
signal plover
Yeh
undone verge
Storm bolt is a singe target stun, which is nice, but its not as good as the 2 charges of charge for SB uptime
sweet summit
yeah thats fair paw
small marsh
You don't need a second charge of charge
wanton condor
was trying to figure out why I was doing so much damage but had zero SB uptime
signal plover
Storm bolt can literally single handedly save you from a missed kick/stun
wanton condor
if the mob is stunnable
signal plover
Sigh
wanton condor
great in SoA
small marsh
Reprisal alone can easily jump you up over 60% block uptime and past that you can cover with leap
uneven mason
60% block uptime?
small marsh
Over
jagged pier
try 80%+ blocked hits
signal plover
Reprisal is easily 80% effective uptime
inland raft
60 overall prob actual effective should be 80+
jagged pier
lets ither call it blocked hits or effective uptime as 'uptime' mean jack shit
small marsh
I was low-balling my number for the sake of argument lol
solid cairn
and it's great for when you have to pull with no rage
small marsh
60% is sufficient with bounding
solid cairn
yeah i find it really easier to tank in m+ with it
uneven mason
Know what I want - replace rumbling earths CD reduction on Shockwave, with a talent that gives us that anima power which turns heroic leap into earthquake
signal plover
Yeh
uneven mason
I'd run leaper if we had a EQ on our landing spot
small marsh
Holy fuck
inland raft
I want shield slam to remove beneficial effects again
small marsh
I want shield wall to be 75% again
uneven mason
the SS dispel should be added to the Heroic Strike obit page.
inland raft
Tbf it was also a 30m cd
signal plover
Once every 16 hours
small marsh
Idc
The number of wipes I've clutched out with a good shield wall
Nothing better on earth
sweet summit
classic boomers smh
signal plover
Different game, different appeal
small marsh
Yeah
inland raft
All classes are more fun, 16 years of tech moving forward alongside constant work will do that
amber herald
is there a way to sim a trinket at a higher ilvl than you have on raidbots?
small marsh
Yeah, there's just certain things I miss
sweet summit
top gear/gear compare/droptimizer
uneven mason
Remember when we spammed sunder armor until 5 stacks then hit devastate
because devastate did less aggro than sunder armor until 5 stacks
and didn't apply sunder armor
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
small marsh
Lol I can't wait for devastator in TBC so I can actually tank as a prot warrior instead of a fury warrior with a couple prot talents
uneven mason
Devastate
small marsh
Classic tanking is so dumb
uneven mason
not devastator (legion, long wait)
small marsh
Devastate, yeah
inland raft
I have no interest in tbc i might check out wrath if im bored with retail when it comes out
uneven mason
Classic tanking is so dumb
Classic tanking was always like that tho. never full prot until like, Naxx
small marsh
It's also very funny that the move that is coming that I'm looking forward to and defines warrior tanking in TBC is our free gcd filler in retail
inland raft
If was gonna play tbc though id be bear or prot pally
small marsh
Classic tanking was always like that tho. never full prot until like, Naxx
Yeah, just in vanilla people ran deep prot
Like true vanilla, not classic
small marsh
Even in classic in Naxx we all run fury prot, we just slot more defensive gear
small marsh
We had very different vanilla experiences then, haha
inland raft
By that point even with shield you are miles ahead with threat as fprot and just as tanky
small marsh
Not saying you're a liar! The tanks I raided with were just deep prot players so I never played with any fury prot
inland raft
I feel sorry for any classic dps who had a dprot tank
Imagine not beinf able to play the game
small marsh
Wait classic or original release
signal plover
Why? None of em did enough dps to rip threat back then lol
small marsh
I mean original release, not classic re-release
Yeah
DPS output was so bad in original vanilla
signal plover
Cuz very few ppl raided with full world buffs and consumes
small marsh
Top tier original vanilla players were weaker than mediocre classic raiders
inland raft
I mean original release none of us knew the game and we didnt have the itemization til late in yhe game
signal plover
Which is why deep prot was plenty fine
small marsh
Yeah I meant that when I played original vanilla everyone tanked as deep prot
signal plover
I saw one fury tank in all of vanilla
inland raft
But high end guilds were swapping fprot towards end of vanilla
small marsh
Dprot is a meme in classic
inland raft
I remember arms tanking im bwl myself
uneven mason
I saw one fury tank in all of vanilla
Because 31/5/15 was the go to (arms)
small marsh
Aaaahh I wasn't in a high end guild 🤣
tepid nest
any good m+ youtube content for prot warr?
small marsh
We struggled to clear BWL and got flattened by AQ40 until TBC then dissolved
uneven mason
you just needed the bonus threat and extra SB charge from prot mortal strike and 5% crit in fury
sweet summit
any good m+ youtube content for prot warr?
Plka
uneven mason
31/5/15 was designed more because of how the early trees planned out
inland raft
Ya mortal strike against ebonrock it think it was? Second dragon
sweet summit
hopefully nerftank as well if he keeps playing prot 🙏
uneven mason
because releast prot tree was burning garbage.
stable kernel
yeah nerf is good too
Fem has been playing a lot of warr
lately too
but he doesnt do youtube
uneven mason
Legit what prot had to work with on release
verbal herald
Are you guys useing WW as prot?
verbal herald
feels like kinda waste when it cost 30 rage :/
uneven mason
Because it is
inland raft
Hamstring prob not worth a keybind either if tc isn’t enough to vet space then should be using externals
Lots of specs have those odd out skils
uneven mason
"Unpruning" was really "Adding a bunch of usless shit for no reason"
tepid nest
thats not really true, in some cases ye
but in a lot of cases it was a good change
hamstring is worth a keybind, ww not
sweet summit
i dont have hamstring bound :/
inland raft
Has niche uses in dungeons sometimes too
tepid nest
shattering throw does some good damage to shields, some use in necrotic wake for sure
smoky wave
Hakkar too
jagged pier
the goliaths in SoA
cold echo
Yep Hakkar shield
orchid frigate
speaking of goliaths, when i do that first pull you do in SoA it feels like 50% of the times i get the goliath and 50% i dont. how can there be a difference? 😒
lofty widget
speaking of goliaths, when i do that first pull you do in SoA it feels like 50% ...
i use ravager to pull the second pack and los them, never pulled goliath on accident that way
orchid frigate
i use ravager to pull the second pack and los them, never pulled goliath on acci...
will try that, thanks!
inland raft
Just make sure your group doesnt sit there blasting in los
orchid frigate
the hardest part of the pull
feel like every pull where you want to line mobs the dps is there peeking
inland raft
Hardest part of tanking in general is dps unable to keep their dicks in their pants
small marsh
I shattering throw any shields I see
inland raft
95% of tank issues are solved by dps waiting for the pull to be finished
small marsh
Hamstring can also be good on spite ghosts
frail wyvern
The mage who combust a pack before you even got 2 globals off is my favorite
orchid frigate
is NW an especially good dungeon for spiteful? only done that one as DPS this week and felt like it was a minor annoyance
wanton condor
shattering throw on goliath/hakkar/meat shields
tepid nest
its definitely way more annoying in something like SD, ToP etc
NW is nice and open for the most part
orchid frigate
mhm
wanton condor
SD spiteful is oof
orchid frigate
SD is oof
wanton condor
I honestly don't think it's that bad overall these days? It's just nasty for cramped affixes
orchid frigate
i was there for the first time since before 9.0.5 and didnt know they changed so you couldnt pull 2/3 of the pack before gauntlet
wanton condor
the canister bit is nifty, but it really slows progress in the rotunda and gauntlet imo
frail wyvern
i was there for the first time since before 9.0.5 and didnt know they changed so...
I learned that one the other day too
frail wyvern
Haha then all 3 come and you look like a real pro
frail wyvern
Alot of people invis that pack now
frail wyvern
If they don't bug and drop invis 😂
orchid frigate
yeah hehe
uneven mason
so nice that its common nowadays to bring invis pots
I wish
4/5 people have invis pots
modern brook
4/5 people have invis pots
its me 1/5 man
uneven mason
that one dude is like 🤷♀️ no one ever does it in my groups
Maybe because YOU NEVER HAVE INVIS POTS (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
modern brook
I didnt enter this dungeon to PUSSY OUT of fighting something 😠
sweet summit
chad mindset
wanton condor
I don't dare invis in SD since someone is going to fuck up and die
chilly brook
Tbh
modern brook
also high key: idg how ppl die to mistblades anymore
the mobs a joke now it does like 2 casts
then crumples
chilly brook
Second boss is the only thing that'll give you trouble anymore
wanton condor
SD has a super loose timer
modern brook
3rd boss imo. its the only real check in the dungeon
chilly brook
Mistdancers are a joke if you have a competent tank
wanton condor
it's just hard bosses and the gauntlet feels bad
modern brook
2nd boss is just a do the dance
the add isnt hard to burst down
the boss has like no hp even on tyr
3rd boss is a fatty healing check
wanton condor
and a lot more shitchecks
modern brook
and also a bit of a comp check at higher keys
chilly brook
Like fr all you gotta do as a tank with mistdancers is stay in the same spot
modern brook
Gauntlet is a Healer check
modern brook
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chilly brook
You can have all the echoes in one spot
lofty widget
only gets difficult when you get traps in that one spot
stable kernel
aiming wise
modern brook
hard facts dbh
tawdry dirge
anyone got a nice WA that includes a deepwounds and demoshout tracking?
lofty widget
honestly as long as you dont face them towards ranged youre gonna be fine
stable kernel
ty for the kind service sir
u gotta keep healers on their toes
otherwise we die
lilac sleet
I feel super squish in 15 keys all of a sudden, yesterday and today
chilly brook
It is fortified
lilac sleet
just getting melted
chilly brook
You're gonna get hit harder than you normally would have on tyrannical for most of the dungeon
stable kernel
and have you been intervening ranged?