death lotus is 100% avoidable dam
#protection
torpid wolf
So skip the Hakkar pull, and do the rage spirit after?
signal plover
Tbh I just kite the fuck outta the 2nd pull
signal plover
I usually have a healer external on pull there tho cuz I burn SW on the 1st
mossy sluice
shadowcore will like one shot you if you dont reflect/interrupt it
its the big purpley boy who casts it
signal plover
Yeah jump in, gather, then focus on kicking shadowcore, pump threat for a few more seconds then gtfo
torpid wolf
When you say jump in, you mean charge in, right? 😛
inland raft
Trees are a life saver on both of those pulls
obtuse bane
how much better is prot now with new legendary?
mossy sluice
at least 3% better
obtuse bane
not 2.5%?
hearty terrace
Why is it defenerate ?
inland raft
Makes me feel like a momentum dh
spring umbra
makes me feel like a woman
hearty terrace
Why so? Not looked in to the lego yet what does it do and how does it change our play style
sturdy sable
Charge gives you 4s of block 20 rage and the Revenge! Proc
mossy sluice
intervene as well
sturdy sable
And intervene
mossy sluice
so its a lot of movement abilities for block uptime
fossil sparrow
Yes, shield cool
although I'm a pleb so
still have no idea how/why the banner keeps unequipping itself tho
sturdy sable
Also necro worth playing over anything else or nah
So like the short answer is no
Did you want the long answer as well?
hearty terrace
Yeah sure I do like to know why behind yes or no
sturdy sable
Aight so
Banner requires alot of set up that will not be possible outside of coordinated groups
And even with said set up the DPS increase is close to or worse then other options for warrior
It does have value and uses
But aside from niche burn it's not much
sturdy sable
Youll get more value out of NF kyrian in m+ and venth is quite strong in raid for dps
hearty terrace
Ah okey then cool sounds good 👍
hearty terrace
😂
fossil sparrow
I already regret swapping necro
given how it's completely cucked me out of playing arms or fury
without wanting to neck
fossil sparrow
covenants being class specific and not spec is probably the biggest letdown for me
sturdy sable
💯
fossil sparrow
even more so with how unbalanced covenants are across classes
can't think of a single class that can benefit from all 4covs across one spec
let alone all of them
sturdy sable
NF for warriors is pretty even stevens
fossil sparrow
main is nf, druid, never really gave nf warrior a think tbh
north pecan
Its always better to not be NF, if you + oriented as a tank. The dungeon cov is worth far more than you being NF
distant crystal
shadowpriest all 4 covs are dec
lavish oracle
Yeah, Prot's covenants are pretty flexible, if you run with a static group it's better to pick up what your group needs and if you don't then I promise every DPS and their mother are night fae
plush saffron
NF for the mog
lime trail
Tips for keeping Stavros damage low at the start of Council?
plush saffron
his stacking ability?
mossy sluice
just taunt swap on 2 stacks of lunge/riposte
lime trail
Even at the start with all three bosses up? My raid group just sucks it up and sticks with what we take at pull, main tank w/ Nik+Frieda and me with Stav
plush saffron
should only get like 4 before the push
lime trail
I get to 3 by when dance happens/when Nik dies and we start taunt swapping but it still hits like a truck by then, do I just need to go in swinging with defensives?
plush saffron
what else you going to use them on?
lime trail
True, true
mossy sluice
you guys killing nik first?
winged egret
quick question are there any talents i should use if i use Reprisal?
mossy sluice
bsc
mossy sluice
yes
indigo knot
oh shit
mossy sluice
you get the 50% damage bonus
sick sentinel
Am I able to do twisting corridors to get upper reach for leggo?
dapper coral
Tips for keeping Stavros damage low at the start of Council?
The only thing that hurts is the Lunge. Both on my Bear and Warrior, me and my cotank never taunt swapped
Shield Block first two, SB+Demo/LS next two, SB+SW 5th. Anything slower and you probably won't have the dps for the fight anyway
dapper coral
Am I able to do twisting corridors to get upper reach for leggo?
Yes, but it needs to be layer 3 or higher
The kill with my warrior we 5 healed it and I only got 3 or 4 Lunges on either side of the dance
north pecan
Im sad... I hit 7k dps on my brew master in a 19 NW.... highest on my war is 4k
forest fern
Be aware shield block only works on lunge if you turn a 180 at the end of the cast as he ports away. Can’t block attacks from behind as standard
lavish oracle
Mmm, I've done 5k overall in wake without weapons so 7k seems doable
16 and 17s, though so ymmv
tame jasper
Mmm, I've done 5k overall in wake without weapons so 7k seems doable
Wow I'm mostly around 3k 😦
Maybe that's the case why I missed my last KSM run (SD 15) yesteday by 5 sec 😦
tranquil edge
What's ur ilvl @lavish oracle? Just curious
lavish oracle
222
tranquil edge
My prot is like my 4th tank for this patch but he's only getting 4.5k with weapons at 185,which is obvs dogshit gear
lavish oracle
Yeah, I'm not like good or optimizing for damage by any means, I'm sure it's possible to pull crazy numbers in there
tranquil edge
Same here. Getting reused to Prot in a bit of a different meta atm
It's really capable tho, which is good. My main bdk already garbage dps-wise vs. Prot
lavish oracle
our AoE has always been pretty good this xpac, for sure, I think people were kinda sleeping on it until the buffs
(Obviously it's much better now, though)
tranquil edge
Yeah I thought so as well tbh. Just hoping for a decent buff like we just got. Also hoping for maybe 1-2 more.
Stuff like BM monk has so many tools it still feels like it has a huge advantage in M+
lavish oracle
BM has always been one of those tanks with such a versatile tool kit in the right hands
I think prot just out tanks it at the moment, though
tranquil edge
Out tanks it how?
Physical dmg I can believe, but man do I feel it if a magic cast goes off during our rage downtime
lavish oracle
I think that's always going to be true of damage you weren't planning on taking for prot, though
Like, prot has the tools for magic mitigation between reflect, demo, and wall
small marsh
And ip
sand condor
Man i hope this “bug fix” to dh’s kicks em off their high horse
lavish oracle
And just dumping rage into IP
small marsh
My biggest trouble this week has just been finding DPS who aren't fucking brain dead
small marsh
Just called off a +13 NW because the DPS weren't killing adds on Amarth
lavish oracle
Every healer I know just like logged off for the week, lmao
small marsh
I don't blame them
Grievous is cancer
And spiteful makes it worse because people are too dumb to cc their ghosts
lavish oracle
My biggest pet peeve is DPS who run away from the ghosts the opposite way of the next pack
Haven't had too many just standing getting hit
But it's a huge time sink when you have to just like
Wait for them to handle their ghost
Instead of kiting them into the next pull
tame jasper
Does anyone knows an weak aura, that highlights an alarm when attack an specific monster?
sand condor
My biggest pet peeve is DPS who run away from the ghosts the opposite way of the...
This
tame jasper
I missed my SD 15 run by 5sec yesterday and the one mistake I did was not turning the last gargoyle around to avoid his "breath/cleave" cause I was so full adrenaline (maybe) finishing this run in time 😦 Yeah it was not the only mistake we did as a group but the one, where I was definitly the cause and which lost us more than 5 secs
coral agate
@small marsh Ye IKR.. last reset i started to gear up my shaman. started with a 2 key and then later in the week we spammed 10 keys, was quite fun. Then this week?! Geez.. Ive only done one 10 and wont do any more this week i think. Was such a struggle 😦
I'm 99% fury but I like to keep my Prot up to date from time to time, like changing gear etc. So Im thinking of crafting a leggo for prot but not rly sure witch one to pick, I rarely use Prot in any serious way so I guess it doesn't matter that much but any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. The Wall? The Reprisal? Saw some guy in the wow forum mention Seismic Reverberation?!
cinder nova
Do you guys prefer Booty Clap or Bounding Stride for M+?
I normally go Bound
But I'm curious if Crackling Thunder is worth the look
strong forum
I pref bounding
mental scarab
Lower leap cd ftw
gray pine
So guys I am done with being a dps. Is Prot a fun spec i am not sure if I wanna be guardian or prot warri.
lyric cove
can you block/parry when fleshcrafting?
gray pine
And easy to handle? Last time I tanked can’t even remember
lone eagle
Alright boys
5th tank this xpac
Sell me on Kyrian vs Night Fae
Night Fae CC seems really nice and Niya is a strong soulbind, + 2nd potency doesn't seem that valuable for prot
urban tusk
Night Fae is super fun and it does big boi dmg
Kyrian is very solid, but kinda boring imo
lone eagle
Kyrian is only softcapped while Night Fae appears to be hard 5 target capped
similar dilemma to VDH Night Fae vs Kyrian it seems
Hmm
strong forum
can you block/parry when fleshcrafting?
Yes
stiff bear
What level are you tanking?
lone eagle
I'll primarily be doing 19-21s on this alt
May switch to it for M Denathrius if our warrs continue to scrub out
lyric cove
@strong forum thakn you
lone eagle
primarily a Brew and VDH main
but I have warrior xp in past xpacs
I'm currently leaning Night Fae, but just wondering how people are feeling about the night fae target cap in practice
strong forum
NF is more dmg and can cc caster packs better
Kyrian Hits more targets thus more aggro and the tether is nice vs jumpy Bois and you get potion
lone eagle
Yeah, the biggest selling point for NF seems to be the pseudo interrupt in keys
How solid is warrior snap aggro feeling?
In high teen keys, are you finding yourself losing a lot of stray targets when you have to kite early into a pull?
(ie big 7-10 mob opening pulls on Halls of Atonement, for example)?
strong forum
Na with having spear, aggro is piss easy, if you don't have it and the targets aren't grouped up, it can be troublesome cuz we don't have have alot of tools for spread aggro
Besides challenging shout
lone eagle
Challenging Shout is a true taunt a la black ox statue AoE taunt right?
ie, it provides a 300% aggro amp on affected targets?
So Challenging > Spear would be uber aggro?
Looks like a lot of top io prot warriors were Night Fae during a lot of their pushes but have switched to Necro since
Obv Necro is lower output but any thoughts on that @strong forum? Just them optimizing around buffing their comp or are they finding the 400 mastery really valuable for facetanking longer for higher damage output?
blazing condor
They use banner in coordination with their team for damage purposes
Mastery is a nice bonuss
ionic nimbus
Necro is filling covenant Gap in many groups
strong forum
Obv Necro is lower output but any thoughts on that <@!192743144276623360>? Just ...
Na, I don't think it's worth it at all
Especially since you won't have dps playing kyrian for m+
So either tank and healer will be cucked into kyrian anyway
jade tartan
I mean most highkeys are anyway with a hpal
strong forum
Yeah and they're venthyr, feng
jade tartan
And they usually have a mage boomkin
jade tartan
So that leaves spot for 1 random dps
strong forum
And that dps is probably hunter or spriest, and they're nightfae aswell
jade tartan
And usually tanks are expected to be kyrian
lone eagle
Don't ask why, but my current scuffed comp is VDH > Spriest/Wwmonk/fire mage > rsham
strong forum
Rogue is necro or... Idk what rogues are
strong forum
I mean my comp is rsham pwar firemage elesham X
jade tartan
These groups are usually better off with a vdh
lone eagle
although my spriest is night fae now 😛
jade tartan
Cuz off the buff
strong forum
Yeah but we play for fun
jade tartan
And rshamans can be vent or necro
strong forum
So
jade tartan
Oh, no hate on you or pwar
strong forum
All 4 of us are 1 tricks :D
lone eagle
Any of you boys Vulpera?
lone eagle
Not compared to that sweet panda mog
strong forum
Loo
lone eagle
blazing condor
Speak for urself my panda looks dope
strong forum
Racials don't influence alot
I went to vulpera as a meme on launch, but liked the small models and mog, then it also happened to be the best so I just stuck with it
lone eagle
Vulpera racial is really nice for buying you 2s at the start of the pull though to generate and set up
Super valuable for BDK too
strong forum
Yah im surprised bdks aren't vulpera
But monks are vulpera aswell, so atleast they have caught on
strong forum
Zand have the worst animations
It's actually so tedious
Just hurts to watch them walk
Terrible terrible running animation
brittle owl
can't run like a normal person when you have a dick the size of the eiffel tower
blazing condor
😳
true thicket
do i still need a weakaura to track spell reflects?
sweet summit
bdk
blazing condor
do i still need a weakaura to track spell reflects?
you dont "need" it but its a good thing to have imo. Makes my lizard brain press spell reflect more correctly
sand condor
^
spiral mirage
you dont "need" it but its a good thing to have imo. Makes my lizard brain press...
Link to someone?
orchid frigate
With let go of the past being broken. How are you kyrians go about your soulbinds?
crimson furnace
guys, does it worth investing in PVP for PVE prot plays???
this means me buying a boost to 2100 to get those 226 items
....
what are ur thoughts??
wide pilot
i mean u get 226 from doin a 14 lol
crimson furnace
..ok, u missed my questions
pvp gear, 226 wiht full haste and versa
doing a 14 gets u a weekly chance of something 226
wide pilot
u plan on pushing the highest of keys with a premade?
crimson furnace
yes
strong forum
With let go of the past being broken. How are you kyrians go about your soulbind...
Kleia Sims higher for me so... Yeah
orchid frigate
Kleia Sims higher for me so... Yeah
Ok 👌
strong forum
pvp gear, 226 wiht full haste and versa
Not all pvp gear grants haste/vers, but if you're serious about getting full bis, just buy 2.4k for 233 weapon and shield aswell
orchid frigate
Will test it out
wide pilot
sort of feel like your trolling lol but i mean u can go to raider io and see what the top prot warriors are using and that will answer your question
crimson furnace
i have done all 20's on my monk, we kinda all re-rolled and play different classes and we play around the necro banner as well
so we are all at 215ilvl atm as a grp
and for me as a warr prot, the pvp items are just so good looking
and since i have some gold left over...
strong forum
Yes pvp gear is very good
wide pilot
u can get haste ver bracer/pants/belt/mh/ring from m+
slim pier
Nome
crimson furnace
ok, thank u guys for the healp, gonna start looking into the pvp aspect of it and see what its needed
wide pilot
but gl on getting a 2100 boost they have pretty long waiting lists
slim pier
Are you necro
crimson furnace
but gl on getting a 2100 boost they have pretty long waiting lists
not worried about that since we kinda have the means 😛
slim pier
@strong forum you necro?
waxen cradle
Is Kleia really out simming Pelagos now or is it based off of whether or not your pushing very high keys ?
lone turret
hey i play fury mainly but want to try prot out in dungeons, probably just up to 15, would i be seriously worse off as venthyr??
waxen cradle
I mean duh Pelagos = defensive, Kleia = offensive with the crit bonus, but still
wide pilot
good new boys we....prot gainin on the vdh
https://www.wowhead.com/news/vengeance-demon-hunters-taking-less-magic-damage-than-intended-due-to-bug-in-321473
slim pier
Nah that’s nothing
Barely any difference
And even if it was, physical damage is a huge percentage of damage compared to magical
In most dungeons
waxen cradle
Also at this point I highly doubt they will change anything with VDH's with us this far into the first season what would be the point. Wait until we go into 9.1 and switch things up then
lone turret
i mean they fixed monk dps
lofty widget
if anything it evens the playing field, feels kinda bad when one of the tank is so tanky due to a bug
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> you necro?
Fuck no
waxen cradle
lmao not a regular no, a fuck no I like it lol
north rampart
We still enchanting celestial?
strong forum
It's still best for overall and defensive use
lone turret
hey i play fury mainly but want to try prot out in dungeons, probably just up to...
anyone running venthyr?? is the offspec dream dead in the water?
inland raft
Radspaper is right now
Its the worst cov for prot but prot is pretty solid no matter which cov use
outer solstice
in M+ ventyr is significantly worse, but mostly on offense and CC, not on defense, so 15s are totally a no facotr for the covenant
(compared to kyrian and NF)
north rampart
anyone running venthyr?? is the offspec dream dead in the water?
Im a noob but I love it, 40% of the time you can slap a boss like he is a little girl and you are a creepy old man in a van.
lone turret
haha, ill give it a try, probably will get smacked around anyway
inland raft
If you manage your cds and block warrior is best mitigation, just make sure to have something for magic damage and be good at managing group kicks
scenic cargo
in raid probably you'll be ok
inland raft
Your passive mitigation with nothing at all up is better then dh with spikes up
outer solstice
well in exchange our healing is near 0
north rampart
Condemn beats revenge on 2 targets? And is almost a tie plus defence on 3 depending on armor maybe?
I just press the red button and leave theory crafting to the wrinkly brains
north rampart
But you gain loveable vampire friends.
inland raft
And you get to shove that dredger off the pit in sinfall
outer solstice
and you have no amazing campaign with mwonsambi
inland raft
I play venth on my dh cuz of covenent diversity and thats always fun
heavy sail
Damn MM ass now
scenic cargo
but those sweet sweet mirrors arround revendreth ?
north rampart
Booming voice avatar ravager condem spam is 💘. You meta bois will never know.
heavy sail
Necro stonks 📉
outer solstice
Booming voice avatar ravager condem spam is 💘. You meta bois will never know.
booming voice avatar Ancient aftershock xD you'll lever know
I think I hit for 5x 20k crit yesterday on some sire spam
novel lotus
I'm enjoying necrolord on warrior #2
outer solstice
Who wants to be a fucking fairy
me
ionic fern
Me too. Fairy or Blue boye.
outer solstice
❤️
heavy sail
Maldraxxian chads rise
ionic fern
Necrolord looks cool but hits like nothing. :)
I'd rather be a fairy and nuke everything.
novel lotus
Did they fully remove the valor cap or is it still X for the season
elder crag
000000000
north rampart
I think I hit for 5x 20k crit yesterday on some sire spam
I might have to change covenant... 🤤
torpid saffron
So...Booming Voice simmed more dps for me than BSC with Reprisal lego
inland raft
Does for me too but in practice it feels bsc does more but idk its close on sims so feelscraft influences me
turbid gazelle
inland raft
Gimme one
inland raft
My dh got one like a day before i convinced my friends to free me from vengeance prison
outer solstice
I might have to change covenant... 🤤
don't count on getting a crit on all hits just the window you pop pot + avatar/demo
it's quite rare
inland raft
Dh is happily havoc now and back to prot as my tank
outer solstice
DH tank damage in raid seems totally gutted if I look at the logs
inland raft
I dont raid i m+, i go to raid occasionally to get gear but avoid it when i can its boring to me
But dh is venth cuz covenent diversity and kinda hated vengeance without decree but its so much fun in havoc that when we got someone else willing to go venthyr i saw an opportunity to get warrior out and keep dh as venth for havoc
4 minute meta with venthyr finally feels like other classes 2 minute cds
My healer loves my warrior though so happy
outer solstice
I wish I could have a real 2 minute CD for offense...
inland raft
Ya i was being a bit sarcastic, i love havoc but its so bad, i mean actually super solid on fort weeks id argue bis on non vengeance comps but its cds feel so bad
Meta is worse then ashen hollow from the heals
But im playing prot now so happy
mental scarab
Kinda in love with Reprisal legendary 🥲 its frekking asume
Weird do with 4 sec SB and not 6
sweet summit
havoc pumps now wdym
inland raft
In keys ya i just said i think its super solid and maybe even bis just saying meta is trash
And in raid
inland raft
I havnt lost to a mage on mu havoc in quite a while on overall
inland raft
Ubc changed the game
If buff havocs single target and make meta 3 minute to be more in line with other dps cds it would actually be super solid but ya even now only thing holding it back is vengeance
heavy sail
It’s fine to have a niche.
strong forum
I have yet to see a havoc do dmg
inland raft
Ya
Either i sit near the bottom or shoot to the top or near the top depending on tank
strong forum
heavy sail
Obviously if they’re getting target capped and a mage or boomie isn’t, they’re not going to top or come close at all.
inland raft
Especially as a venth havoc tank becomes even more impactful
heavy sail
I hopped on my level 50 Druid today and thought I’d give it the ole’ college try.
inland raft
It sucks when have meta up and tank goes baby cuz meta beinf so long cd means it is almost never ideal to hold but you want it to be big with a venthyr meta cuz its uncapped damage plus is a shield wall for tank for 8 seconds
heavy sail
BDK is pretty fun brudda
inland raft
Ya vdh so much fun , let me run in fel dev and brand and then go yo Africa
So much engagement
heavy sail
But being in control and rewarded for anticipation fills my brain with dopamine.
strong forum
In control?
inland raft
He likes controlling those undead bodies, this chat just got kinky
heavy sail
Yeah I mean you’re pretty much 100% in control of your survivability, heals factor in much much less.
strong forum
No tank is in control of their own survival in SL
blazing condor
cant die if you dont play 
heavy sail
Big true
strong forum
If your dps players suck, you'll die unless you kite for obscene amounts of time
If your healer sucks, you'll die unless you kite for obscene amounts of time
inland raft
Veh, pally, and bdk on baby keys maybe cuz if geared can self heal but ya generally this is a rough expansion for tanks
strong forum
Bdk can only live during its CDs, if they're gone, you're dead meat
Deathstrike alone isn't gonna keep you alive
heavy sail
I mean almost all of my takes about any class or spec is based entirely from a raiding perspective.
I don’t do M+ at all really
strong forum
Bah raiding
heavy sail
Maybe at a very basic bitch level
strong forum
Raiding doesn't matter
There bdk is quite alright
Every tank is
And always will be
heavy sail
BrM stonks 📈
heavy sail
Definitely true
Idk BrM is like middle of the pack.
If mystic touch wasn’t a thing I’d probably go with a Druid/paladin tank duo right now.
strong forum
Everything is middle of the pack
Except vdh
A tier - vdh
B tier - everything else
heavy sail
Didn’t vdh get dicked down
strong forum
No
heavy sail
I thought their logs were way down for 9.0.5
strong forum
ST dmg, sure they're now lower end
But they're still the sturdiest tank for raiding
strong forum
Best combo is double vdh, if you wouldn't have to cover any kind of unique raid buffs or raid CDs
Next tier will prolly be monk prot war if you take everything into account, cuz havoc is a good dps now, so you don't need vdh as buff slave but can now being prot war to bring shout and rally, and Monk cuz monk
Unless the raid is incredibly heavy on magic dmg
heavy sail
I don’t think prot warrior is a necessity or anything you could sub pretty much anything for the second slot
BrM definitely essential now
Because you won’t bring either of the other two specs
And yeah havoc isn’t a detriment anymore
strong forum
Well so is War, unless dps specs shine more
heavy sail
Idk I think Fury is good enough now to bring one, or arms even.
strong forum
Yeah but pwar brings everything a dps war brings, vdh doesn't bring darkness, pally guardian also don't bring anything, only bdk but uh/fdks are good enough for amz
hoary belfry
I have two questions if we play with reprisal is best served cold better than booming voice? And when should i pick ravager over into the fray?
heavy sail
Pally guardian is a meme, I would do that maybe if WW wasn’t just nerfed into oblivion.
I value the huge tank dam
And guardian is unkillable
And has absurd offheals
strong forum
I have two questions if we play with reprisal is best served cold better than bo...
BSC in m+
Ravager in m+
ITF in raid
heavy sail
Yeah pwar has an essential raid buff and that’s even more of a case to bring them over a DPS warrior if they’re even more shit in 9.1
BDK is just kinda there, tbh.
strong forum
Good
heavy sail
Their survivability is pretty strong already though and I feel like if we get double legendaries or some kinda buff in the next tier they could be broken though.
brisk sparrow
Maybe you guys can help me making my mind up, I started out with my warrior again and I will multispec with it. As far as I can tell Kyrian seems like the best option for an all purpose pick (tank, pvp, dps) - Am I completely wrong there, I still can't quite wrap my head around necrolord tbh 😄
strong forum
Necrolord is a meme
NF is best if you want to multispec in pve
Kyrian is best if you want to multispec and also play pvp
heavy sail
Kyrian is definitely the best across all forms of content.
But literally every option is good enough.
brisk sparrow
then I think, considering my possible m+ comp (mostly nighfae so far) I should really go for kyrian...I will miss condemn though, but it feels soooo useless as tank^^
sick sentinel
Go nightfae for the pumper is my vote 😀 that’s what I’m going to do I think
brisk sparrow
offtanking is fine with venthyr, but in m+ I feel like it won't be as good
heavy sail
All the hottest dudes are going necrolord
strong forum
Only betas go necro
heavy sail
I haven’t looked at the leaderboards for m+ in a hot minute, but the rank 1 player for some time was Venthyr
So that’s a clear indicator that this shit doesn’t matter that much.
Okay furry
silver trout
harsh
mental scarab
Keys goes from easy peasy to insta death if the rest of the grp are monkeys🤷🏼 simpel as that
hollow pine
please be fair to the monkeys
thorny saddle
I haven’t looked at the leaderboards for m+ in a hot minute, but the rank 1 play...
yeah i saw venth as part of top 5 last week made me decide to go venth so i can still enjoy playing dps from time to time
errant timber
I think they probably also picked venthyr because few specs use that covenant and its dungeon bonuses are mandatory at high levels
grave crane
sick sentinel
Hey all, my main is a guardian druid, and alt demon hunter, but tbh sometimes i hate how squishy/jumpy hp dh can be, how are warriors after the buff? ^^
sweet summit
very solid
our strong point is still blockable damage
but we lack in self healing compared to other tanks, but at the same time we take less damage upfront
blazing condor
Surely its better to take the 2nd enraged spirit in DoS before going into mechagon wing? It doesnt affect any pride and i feel like people blow CDs on it making the platform pack before ardenweald harder
sick sentinel
very solid
You think the meta will make a shift, with the new dh nerfs?
grizzled nova
You think the meta will make a shift, with the new dh nerfs?
dh hasn't been nerfed yet, nor has that article/issue been publicly acknowledged by blizzard yet
true bison
So if I was going to main my warrior, and do a little bit of everything with every spec, what is a good covenant?
sweet summit
night fae
grizzled nova
nf
true bison
How far behind venthyr do NF warriors dps?
sweet summit
think its about equal on ST and in aoe NF is a good bit ahead
sweet summit
🍝
signal plover
oak
true bison
Ok sweet! Thanks!
sick sentinel
dh hasn't been nerfed yet, nor has that article/issue been publicly acknowledged...
Ah yeah true! Kinda excited to see what they will say!
sterile moss
korayn on fury with 
and bladestorm 📈
sand condor
Koryan slaps on prot too
sterile moss
Yeah it comes down to Niya being more damage for raid bosses and korayn being more damage for m+
true bison
I can’t wait!! I’ve leveled 3 toons to 60 and haven’t fully enjoyed them, going back to my old tried and true OG main
sick sentinel
Necrolord is the new go to as prot right?
signal plover
pins
sweet summit
not really
signal plover
"go to" depends on preference tbh
true bison
So I really want main Prot but from time to time dps in the raid, so my thoughts are NF or necro
sand condor
How’s the coordinations in your group
And how much do you care about your own performance
signal plover
dude i def wouldn't go necro if you're coming back to prot for fun
yeh, def NF or kyr imo
sand condor
Yep
Nf is most fun to me
Necrolord is only something I would go if i found a group to really run with
But pugging :/
pallid helm
quick question, if im tanking m+ and dps in raid is kyrian is bad choice? any better options?
sand condor
Eh not for dps
sweet summit
an amazing middle ground is night fae
sand condor
Unless you pvp as arms
Yep nf is good at everything and best for the aoe dps
So if you’re swapping between specs. Nf is solid
Always
pallid helm
got it thanks!
true bison
@sand condor so I run keys with a guild group, discord and all. And while I do want fun it’s also nice to be able to have good performance and I just didn’t know if necro was having a bigger impact then NF but after looking at everything and also wanting to play dps in raid some times I think NF way to go
sand condor
Yes.
Nf is the way
Necrolord may be an upgrade to your group if it is ysed very well.
true bison
I guess I also need to think about what our team comp is with covenants, don’t want a all NF group and not be able to use other dungeon mechanics
unreal cape
Im really feeling the new Fleshcraft also;; with an additional 20% damage reduction while channel is kinda nice
havent done super high keys but
stable kernel
just had a group of 4 NF and me Kyr
unreal cape
its a nice little def ability
stable kernel
sand condor
amber herald
grats
sand condor
Damn
amber herald
lucky bastard 
sand condor
I got another IQD
amber herald
that's a ban though
sand condor
stable kernel
my first m0 was dos on warr
got scale
upgraded to 220
just did a 14 dos and got another kinda sad i did full upgrade
sand condor
Oof
red tree
Hey man if you spent all that valor for full upgrade you can at least upgrade 1 more item for the rest of the season
Maybe 2
blazing condor
idk if im gonna kite/if we're kiting yet but on mythic council is hamstring worth using for the big doods?
sweet summit
i dont think they're slowable
hoary belfry
I kind of struggle to utilize reprisal correctly, how do you guys refresh SB midpull? Jump away and charge in again? I mean intervene works only once per pull and "only" gives me 4 seconds
blazing condor
id assume so too
blazing condor
I kind of struggle to utilize reprisal correctly, how do you guys refresh SB mid...
this week you can use spiteful mobs otherwise i usually stun and back off to charge
dont usually have to leap charge
sand condor
I kind of struggle to utilize reprisal correctly, how do you guys refresh SB mid...
Stun n Run
Fear n run
Leap n charge
Call for cc and run
Big slow and run
intervene a melee
intervene a ranged and charge back
jump off something and charge back up
there's a lot of stuff you can do
and its mostly just down to how creative you can get
get a preist to pull you out
oh a druid can knock some back
yeh its just being creative with the things your group can and will do
amber siren
The easiest way to charge for reprisal is just putting some distance between a caster in the pack and you
hoary belfry
Wont my dps hate me if i do that?
elfin nova
You don't need very much distance
elfin nova
How much of that is weapons
elfin nova
And why doesn't the warlock have his monitor on
elfin nova
Brew does do a lot of damage
grizzled nova
I mean nw parses mean literally nothing when damage scaling with weapons gets more and more insane as key level goes up.
elfin nova
But 5.2k w/o weapons (or less if you didn't include exhaust) is doable for sure
grizzled nova
Two lucky crit spear tosses through 10 mobs and you've added millions of damage.
north pecan
IDK my highest key on prot war was like 4.2 in like a SD, though im only 215
Versus like 5.1 on a brew
elfin nova
If brew is your main there's quite a ways between 215 and 230
But you also have battle shout +monk debuff, and I do think brew does more damage
sick sentinel
Hello all. I have few questions to you guys prot warriors. Trying remodel mittigation for prot warriors in addon called hekili. Maybe few of you know about it, its addon that show you prio on spels using SimC profiles.
I have few Q about your opinion about mittiagation and when use it.
- Shield block : I setup it at conditions: if more than 1000 dmg incoming in less than 2 sec then recomend use shield block. This will mostly suggest use shield block on CD.
Is this ok or something you will change here ?
- Ignore pain. Here is recomendation to use it when more than 5000 dmg incoming in 3 sec window or Shield Block is down and charge is more than 3 sec.
So here my idea is that you use ignore pain only on heavy dmg incoming with shield block up or when shield block down . What do you think about this model ? Idea was here to save rage to spend it for more Revenge cast.
- Revenge. Model for this spell is like : use it when free revenge cast and when more than 70 rage. Idea is here for avoid caping rage but also have rage for shield block and ignore pain if heavy dmg inc.
Also there is Q here at pull , you use first shield slam then free revenge from lego or first revenge then shield slam ?
Thanks for any suggestions and tips and sorry for miss leaters , writing this from phone
elfin nova
That's a lot of words
strong forum
You couldn't possibly write a model that won't suck.
wanton condor
if you're using hekeli for tanking you're doing it wrong imo
honestly you're doing it wrong for dps as well but that's another story
strong forum
Abandon the idea of using it, it will not help you go play properly
grizzled nova
Hello all. I have few questions to you guys prot warriors. Trying remodel mittig...
I think that with enough practice these decision points will happen intuitively and you don't need an addon to tell you when to use which defensives.
Ideally you're operating in a world where you know what defensives you want to use for which situations ahead of time because you know what your intake profile will look like.
Which makes the entire idea behind this redundant.
sick sentinel
This is not for me, its for new prot warriors but trying do some model to show when use it for players that use hekili because atm mitigation from hekili sucks as hell in my opinion
wanton condor
this isn't really going to help them either
grizzled nova
I wouldn't recommend new prot warriors do this at all.
Just practice more to better develop a feel for which mobs are going to cause them problems in specific pulls, so they can arrive at a reasoned choice to use a defensive to mitigate a circumstance.
Not because some addon told them to.
sick sentinel
Still many players use it so this is reason why u try model this mitigation as good its possible ofc its not 100% accourate but trying best
wanton condor
the problem with trying to model it like this is that it'll likely give you bad results because tanking is so moment ot moment decision based
and reinforce bad habits
hollow stump
so the addon tells you to use mitigation but in the meantime a monk legsweeps the pack
and the mitigation is lost
sick sentinel
So this is reason why i try model it with inc dmg in fraction of time 2 to 5 sec timeline
While i play i know for what pack i need ignore for what only SB and for another nothing becauae i have trees from druid or vortex or binding etc
noble nacelle
This is still reactionary insead of proactive. It's better to learn mobs and what they do and act in that understand. The helikili may recommend a defensive when it's not needed and then it's not available next pack where it would be needed.
sick sentinel
No no i wont model def like shield wall etc only SB and Ignore pain in this model
No sence modeling huge defs because its waste of time
grizzled nova
I wouldn't say there's much sense in modelling shield block and ignore pain, either.
hollow stump
how will the addon know if there is dmg incoming? with the different keystone lvls
grizzled nova
Are you getting melee'd by something and have a shield block available and don't need it for some more important mechanic within the next sb cooldown? Press shield block.
near gazelle
If you want to do something for new warrior tanks you should work on a pull by pull dmg profile for each dungeon with specific suggestions. And even then you can only talk about priority and conditions
grizzled nova
But again, the vastly more important bit is developing an intuitive understanding of the pain point timings from pull to pull to pull and how best to apply defensives to mitigate those pain points.
And no mod will teach you that, only experience will.
hollow stump
this makes as much sense as developing a healer spell rotation addon
sick sentinel
@hollow stump. With new lego its much easier to model, because you have 4 sec shield block at each pack pull, in this 4 sec addon calculating dmg in real time you take and making prio on mittigation that i am working here.
I know thats not possible to get great mittigation model but basic theory model will be better than this what is now on hekili example shield block on CD and ingore pain allways when 50 rage...
elfin nova
Why do you need to improve something noone should use
copper scroll
I think you're still missing the point. Its not gonna help anyone. Its gonna be a detriment to anyone using it no matter how well you develop it
hollow stump
<@275716528949821442>. With new lego its much easier to model, because you have ...
so you charge in, and someone aoe or single target stuns and the maths for the next 4 sec is wrong?
sick sentinel
Atm if i remeber corectly more than 6000 prot warriors using it dealy
hollow stump
do you think there will be atleast 1 case where the healer is like "dude why arent you using any mitigation wtf" and the warrior is like" my addon told me not to"
sick sentinel
Ofc i see your opion here. Cuz i will model it leater using my perdonal xp :) anyway thanks for help.
Remeber that inc. Not obly 60 lv prot warriors but all in range 10 to 60 :)
Ah and thre was weekly not every day my bad :)))
wanton condor
I'm not sure what doing mit for <60 affects
hollow stump
when you think about it, the high lvl warrior tanks will know where to use mitigation, and the low lvl ones should use mitigation everywhere (when i say lvl i mean lvl of play)
copper scroll
Or should atleast learn when 2
sick sentinel
Ye you all right i was learing prot 1 whole patch in bfa till i realy started play as Prot and understand each pack. Example is pack in DOS were are 5 casters 😆😆 no model will help you if you dont know what to do there
copper scroll
On that pack you bring your dh tank to sigil them
hollow stump
if you take an example keystone lvl tanks lvls 5 10 15 and 20, anyone below a 10 should use mitigation always, and anyone above it should know when to use it by then
sick sentinel
I hope that Prot warriors will use hekilii only till 10 , because you are right in hingher keys need to know when and how spend your rage :)
amber herald
where does brm's dmg come from? Is it weapons of order?
untold sapphire
hmm guys is necrolord rly the best now, my friends tell me to switch. looking stuff up and i think kyrian is the best all around. the banner dmg isnt rly so much better
warped scarab
also curious about this. currently leveling my prot warrior incase meta changes
tame jasper
Hey, as already mentioned I'm trying to get my KSM done in random grps and i often get flamed for taking to much damage. After you suggested to get some logs to give better tips I recoreded the runs from yesterday evening (havn't done any today): Can you give me tipps on what to work on to improve? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j48NXLCav3GDwFcx
dapper coral
Venthyr is prolly the worst in keys but arguably the best for pvp
amber herald
any of the covs are the good
dapper coral
Briefly looking at those logs @tame jasper the dps is all the runs seemed low. Low dps means mobs live longer means you take more
tame jasper
Hm
dapper coral
You also are pushing IP probably way too much. Look at the event log for IP and notice how many times you see "IP fades (remaining: n)
topaz root
so, im techinically an arms main but i might need to tank for tonight Blood council mythic as progress, when Stavros does his "charge" can we use anything outside of Ignore pain to mitigate it as he charges from behind?
topaz root
SB still works? oh though it was completly Fed since the animation is from behind, thats quite nice
toxic prairie
Hey, as already mentioned I'm trying to get my KSM done in random grps and i oft...
I am starting to push keys on my warrior and noticing that I have been getting the same info. Allot of these groups also have low dps for ilevel, never interrupt or use defensive s , so that all makes the healers job way harder. When I run stones even with one or two guildies I feel way tankier
dapper coral
Groups like that are gonna be rough for any tank. I'd venture to say even worse for Warriors due to very low self healing and magic defense
void slate
Basically, i pugged KSM as a tank, DH, not warrior, but that's irrelevant, since the point is that with some groups i feel squishy as all hell while with some i feel immortal. Looked over details and the different in interrupts, CCs, other people not taking avoidable damage and the dps output is staggering. If your group is doing their job, you'll notice an incredible difference in your survivability... simple as that
(Unless you're not using your own CDs correctly etc, ofc)
tame jasper
You also are pushing IP probably way too much. Look at the event log for IP and ...
Too much 😮 But shouldn't IP reduce damage inc?
tame jasper
I am starting to push keys on my warrior and noticing that I have been getting t...
Yeah sure, actions of all members in the grp,e spec. things like kicks is an important point, but I don't loose the feeling that I for myself do something completly wrong / miss some imprtant fact
near gazelle
@tame jasper try using Idomitable
nocturne sage
is pelagos still the preferred soulbind for kyrian prot?
tame jasper
<@175621347626450944> try using Idomitable
I did, but I feel more compftable in m+ with the self heal to support heal
near gazelle
Impending victory is meh, you are going for AM, BSC and reprisal, you are super focus on spending rage, might as well heal every 10
Idomitable is like 30% of my self-heals match IP in almost every run
Plus extra health helps with magic shotguns / gimps
tame jasper
hm ASM instead of bolster means much less uptime of SB, right?
I don't event get near the 80% many people here post with even having bolster
sick sentinel
stupid question, new prot warrior main - a guildmate is telling me i should be taking a 10ilvl downgrade because i would be losing 2%-3% haste. I told him the armor and hp pool would make up for that
dapper coral
Raw uptime is a bad metric, effective uptime is a better one
sick sentinel
is it true i should be taking a downgrade to keep high haste
haste right now is 12% w/o into the fray buff
dapper coral
ilvl is the best. The only exceptions are rings/necks but even then, I wouldn't give up a ton of ilvl to have my "preferred" stats
Indomitable is way better than IV
sick sentinel
I just see stam. as one of the best stats for most tanks
near gazelle
@tame jasper im also looking at 11 demo cast on 41min dungeon. You could do at least 30 more
dapper coral
Stamina is whatever. More armor and strength (which also gives armor) is big
sick sentinel
so I should be taking the 10 ilvl upgrade even if i lose 3% haste
tame jasper
<@175621347626450944> im also looking at 11 demo cast on 41min dungeon. You coul...
Follow of my keybinding switch yesterday to try to improve uptime for SpellReflect as an magic damage reduce, still looking for a good match. Was higher before the keybind switch, but of course you are right
keen oasis
Is 718 haste too much? :D
sick sentinel
didn't really think losing 3% is a big deal, but hes making it out to be huge
i suppose it increase my SB cooldown to 1 sec, but the stam will make up for that... again this is w/o into the fray
near gazelle
That can explain a lot why you are taking a lot of extra dmg. Aside from that and testing the other talent, you are Gucci
dapper coral
again, ilvl is more or less king. Jewelry and trinkets get a pass because of how their stats are allocated. Haste is best overall but that's not to say the other 3 are bad. All stats are almost equal for prot warriors
sick sentinel
cool... so almost like prot paladin ilvl>stats
dapper coral
pmuch all tanks are ilvl over stats
sick sentinel
cool cool, thats what i thought
switching off of prot paladin cause warriors just feel better in keys
dapper coral
all tanks feel good, just in different scenarios
sick sentinel
granted only done 13s thus far and my paladins have done 15s.. but warriors
just feel more fun
and thats really it
sick sentinel
just feel more fun
Enjoying the buff? 
sweet summit
- always use indom, anything else on that row is way worse
- you only managed 65% blocked hits (in the NW), that number should be closer to 80% with reprisal
- you only used SW 6 times in a 35 minute dungeon. you couldve used it almost 3 more times. same thing with Last Stand, as youre even using Bolster. (should be Anger Management with reprisal imo. which makes only 65% even worse :/)
- over the course of the NW you wasted close to 500 rage. thats 5 FULL RAGE BARS GONE!!. never overcap rage. ever
@tame jasper
tame jasper
So you mean SW / LS almost on CD?
even in easy grps?
Maybe I'm still (had an 8year break) too oldschool with saving my CDs for "the bad moments" ?
sweet summit
use them to fill downtime in shield block
dapper coral
you can use SW/LS to focus more on spending rage for offense too
hazy thicket
if you know that it isnt required to live an upcoming pull, see if you can combine pulls
tame jasper
you can use SW/LS to focus more on spending rage for offense too
revenge in first place I think?
sweet summit
yeah thats kinda outdated, you just rotate cooldowns as if they were shield block nowadays
tame jasper
hm okay will try to improve that
spring mountain
How much haste is too much haste do we think lads
tame jasper
combine pulls hmm I never feel save for this with the dps and heals in my grp (esp cause of the "you take so much damage"-calls)
spring mountain
sat on 27% haste at the moment
lofty widget
sat on 27% haste at the moment
no such thing as too much
dapper coral
I sit at like 47% in raids lol
lofty widget
im sitting on 33 % and feel fantastic (no ITF)
spring mountain
Even at the expense of vers?
sweet summit
combine pulls hmm I never feel save for this with the dps and heals in my grp (e...
that can be fixed by improving point 2 and 3
ilvl>haste>vers
lofty widget
haste is our best stat other than strength (ilvl)
sweet summit
i dont think you are able to reach "too much haste" this tier
so thats not something worth worrying about
spring mountain
Okay but if i use a ring the ends up losing my vers, gaining a shitload of haste and a bit of mast
sweet summit
vers is not a stat you specifically need a lot of to do anyting
dapper coral
more overall stats is usually better
sweet summit
yeah
tame jasper
that can be fixed by improving point 2 and 3
seems legit
sick sentinel
Guys, i'm switching from guardian druid to prot warrior, one thing i'm a bit nervous about tho, is it hard to learn when to shield block? Or does it just come naturally
sweet summit
are you taking blockable damage? (melee hits) if yes, keep it up
blazing condor
Bargast leash for CN - still shit right?
sweet summit
there are more things than just melee hits that are blockable, you might wanna check out the sheet in the pins for that
its dogshit yea
dapper coral
Jokes aside @sick sentinel, it's pretty easy. You can't spam it like IF but it works more or less the same. You have to be a more mindful of your rage though compared to a GDruid
tame jasper
Thanks for the advice, I'll try to improve. But now raid. So see you tomorrow
bright salmon
Since we don't use BV anymore, do we still demo shout on CD or is it better to use it when SB isn't up?
bright salmon
I just find SB, IP, and demo together to be such overkill
sweet summit
just dont use the IP and use revenge more 📈
bright salmon
Alright, thx
surreal plinth
We're not using booming voice now?
flint roost
I think you run best served cold over booming voice if you are using reprisal
amber siren
not if you're using reprisal
sweet summit
probably still the wall yeah
reprisal has potential if u can charge/intevene often tho
even in raids
surreal plinth
I've been pretty bummed with my warrior this tier so far. -_-
flint roost
Ive been leaning towards blood dk the past couple months.
surreal plinth
I leveled my blood dk as well but from my understanding their at the bottom of the barrel with warriors atm.
flint roost
Yeah but they are a lot of fun heh
surreal plinth
I'm not pushing mythic raid so it's not that big of a deal
oh for sure, death grip is so handy
no pun intended..
strong forum
I leveled my blood dk as well but from my understanding their at the bottom of t...
Hah, funny you say that, alot of people are starting to claim that pwar will be the best tank once vdh gets their bug fixed
surreal plinth
I've mained my pro warrior for like the last 4 expansions. I really miss legion ignore pain lol
prot*
flint roost
I have a vdh as well and is it just me or does vdh feel like god mode 15 seconds and meh for 45 seconds
surreal plinth
dude I'm leveling a dh just so I can cheese 15+ keys
strong forum
That's exactly why vdh is good
15 sec out of 60sec are meta goodness
Rest is kiting
strong forum
Playstyle is better
chilly brook
Nah
strong forum
Numbers aren't there
ionic fern
I'm not gonna lie.
Bear is super slept on in m+. 😦
Been playing mine and it's just...stupid tanky.
surreal plinth
lol the thunder clap stacks in bfa were amazing
chilly brook
Not even close
flint roost
Yeah guess its not really my fav playstyle
strong forum
But the playstyle is better
chilly brook
Its not
strong forum
Cringe opinion
jagged pier
☝️
chilly brook
Bro they haven't butchered a spec this hard since feral
sweet summit
^
ionic fern
You're all wrong.
Classic warrior ftw.
surreal plinth
lol
flint roost
Lol
sweet summit
shut up kungen
ionic fern
Mean.
strong forum
If you're asking me? Its alpha wow
flint roost
Oh man ptsd from stacking rend
shut summit
chilly brook
Also we need Legion prot tbh with the way SL is
flint roost
Sunder stacks
surreal plinth
The guild I'm tanking for is reallly reallly really bad so that's probably why I miss legion warrior.. i felt like a god
strong forum
I'm not gonna lie.
Bear is super slept on in m+. 😦
Been playing mine and it's j...
Bear is kinda slept on but not really, people just aren't hyped up to play it
You need to be actually good to play it ykno
chilly brook
The guild I'm tanking for is reallly reallly really bad so that's probably why I...
I mean Legion warrior was probably best equipped for the current content
strong forum
Turns off alot or people
surreal plinth
I've yet to play brewmaster at end game.
ionic fern
You need to be actually good to play it ykno
You do?
Idk what i'm doing on bear and just breezing through stuff.
😂
strong forum
The same way dorki plays, yes
ionic fern
All i know is..
Incarn = pull like 20 enemies and laugh
No incarn = just pull normal.
Mucho success.
ionic fern
OFc i do.
surreal plinth
I gotta level my trex bear.
sweet summit
real chad bears play kyrian 😎
blissful pebble
Mythic Council of Blood - To kite or not to Kite as Protectiion Warrior - (co-tank is a Paladin) Have the leaper if needed if your suggestion is kite any tips?
surreal plinth
888joy888 just press SB, you don't even need to IP (s)
astral crystal
I'm not gonna lie.
Bear is super slept on in m+. 😦
Been playing mine and it's j...
late to this but damn, facetanked 8 bleeds, health not moving on bear the other day
sure it was just a 15 but lord
that's a feel
shut summit
yea most ive seen just kill it now after the nerfs, but if your dps is tragic can still kite
was done without leaper as well, just makes it little easier if you're havin problems
ionic fern
Why are you guys even arguing about playstyle?
It's such a personal preference thing.
distant crystal
what you don't like charging rotationally??
astral crystal
idk why this channel has such a hardon for reprisal tbh
big keys were possible before with the wall i dont see how that's suddenly changed with reprisal
dapper coral
Mythic Council of Blood - To kite or not to Kite as Protectiion Warrior - (co-ta...
Kill 1st and 3rd, kite 2nd and 4th. No need to use Leaper. Leap + Charge + Intervene + lock gate + priest grip should be more than enough.
You can probably kite long enough to get a 2nd leap or intervene too
shut summit
can have roars / tigers lust / windrush totem / feathers etc etc all for you as well
floral pewter
All i know is..
Incarn = pull like 20 enemies and laugh
No incarn = just pull no...
I've put Blessing of Sacrifice on a bear tank on a big +15 Fortified pack, used Shield of Vengeance to soak the sac damage, and my absorb shield fucking expired before it got used up
crazy mitigation
blissful pebble
Ty all
timber nest
+30 stats vs +20 stats/damage proc. what are we using
limpid burrow
my friend is progressing mythic council and they kill stavros last how hard last phase will be
strong forum
Well it's 1 add
But you have only like 6 seconds to kill it
Ontop of dark recital happening
fading quiver
I did mythic sludgefist last night with reprisal, seeing some surprisingly good uptime of safeguard even on the cotank
jolly spindle
intervene is bae
fading quiver
compared to the previous night, seeing an overall damage intake reduction of like 600 for me and 300 for him.
sweet summit
all damage go poof
chilly brook
I did mythic sludgefist last night with reprisal, seeing some surprisingly good ...
Hold your ground
blazing condor
blazing condor
i swear mythic only gives me shit i dont need
bargast leash into glut spike
maybe spike is good somehow but i already got an AFE
strong forum
yes
sweet summit
theres nothing to fix
sturdy trench
and fix the fury blastestorm 2
sweet summit
🤔
sturdy trench
well for fury
sweet summit
no?
sweet summit
its not
chilly brook
Wat
sweet summit
no its fury bs
chilly brook
Pretty sure the bladestorm is the same for fury
sweet summit
wait what
chilly brook
chilly brook
^
sweet summit
thats how signet works
chilly brook
You're gonna make me go into my logs now
sweet summit
damage is not the same
signet bladestorm gets more ticks with more haste
talented bs ticks faster with more haste
chilly brook
I see
scarlet merlin
they are 2 different spell ids, its weird how they designed it
the ring is essentially procing the other spell
sweet summit
same same but different
chilly brook
Fixed?
Theres nothing to indicate it's wrong lmao
Including ravager not procing for prot
There have been several bug reports
Since beta
Nothing
chilly brook
^
sweet summit
for arms, ravager directly replaces bladestorm
thats why it works for arms
its different for prot
dont get me wrong
id love for it to proc off prot ravager
but its obviously not intended to do so
shut summit
yea ravager procced it in beta, then was changed to not do so and has remained that way for long time
quiet stream
reprisal in what slot
lofty widget
legs unless you can get slg mythic legs
near gazelle
Or boots if you have heroic slg and not looking to upgrade it to rank 4 anytime soon
night depot
done legs as I mainly just m+
chilly brook
Or boots if you have heroic slg and not looking to upgrade it to rank 4 anytime ...
Ehhhh legs unless you have mythic slg legs
sweet summit
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amber herald
I've seen it and idk how to verify it
night depot
Idk just see people posting logs where on the same fights before and after using let go of the past
and before using it taking 3% less magic damage lol
amber herald
I've only seen it on twitter showing it's happening on one specific mob in mists
is it every spell then?
severe hound
are there certain secondary stats that are more important than others? I know ilvl is king for tanking but if you had the option I'd imagine vers is best?
sweet summit
haste is the best secondary stat for us
severe hound
gotcha
night depot
apparently it's had the opposite effect and been adding 3% magic damage to what we take lol so thats 6% total difference from whats supposed to happen xD
strong forum
well ilvl = armor cuz you cant get it through other ways so
amber herald
I was thinking if you're comparing a neck/ring to an armoured piece
then the armour wins
or legs to chest
but yeah
surreal plinth
What's going on with Pelagos?
amber herald
his last tier trait is increasing magic dmg taken instead of decreasing it
according to some logs
surreal plinth
That's odd.
amber herald
multi dollar company
surreal plinth
multi dollars sounds like a lot.
amber herald
they're trying their best
surreal plinth
lol, I am sure they'll patch it soon. Is this a new discovery?
strong forum
Yes
void stump
Is there a pin of the intervene nearest ally macro?
fading quiver
or make a focus macro to a melee
barren socket
how do I improve my parses on mythic sun king?
lavish oracle
Worth swapping to kleia until they fix the bug?
strong forum
how do I improve my parses on mythic sun king?
Have dps not kill adds as fast and have 1 or 2 vanquishers up in the last burn phase