I suppose my issue comes down to, podweaver is just another hard CC you apply to yourself
#protection
uneven mason
chilly brook
I suppose my issue comes down to, podweaver is just another hard CC you apply to...
I mean yes but no
Can't complain about a hard cc when it's something that keeps you from dying when you would have just been dead anyways
uneven mason
Iguess, I just see the bonus HP and extra damage being more beneficial
Like, Niya literally gives you almost as much padding as the podweaver does
but has damage tied to it
avg stacks when slapping AA is around 18, so 18% Max HP, compared to 30% Heal where you're CC'd and they can safely focus your healer for 10s without you being able to peel
Niya also gives you Run without tiring which is a 20% heal if you need to escape from CDs etc..
plush tendon
I would go Night Fae, if not for the fact that I think 75% (or more) of the DPS I play with are Night Fae
want to get that Cov diversity for dem dungeons
cause, AA big dam, and me like big dam 🙂
sick anchor
stone legion heraldry vs sanguine visage
which trinket should I run
both same ilvl
shadow forge
Do you have a 5 man group for herald?
sick anchor
ah forgot to say I only do raids
so i'm unsure how many heralds are around
but I could ask I guess
shadow forge
If you have less than 4 I would go with Vintage personally
sick anchor
I see I see, ty, I kinda agree
shadow forge
It's debatable though on what you prefer
One is pre-mitigation and damage
the other is reactive mitigation
sick anchor
I love passive mitigation
but tbh I love the shield, as ive found some really efficient uses out of it
easy to use
sour knot
boyz did your alar trinket is broken too ?
signal plover
Nope
uneven mason
shield at 220 is equal to a health stone iirc
Also, my Alar trinket is killing rogues just fine
sullen trellis
hey are Prot warriors good for Mythic + ? ? thinking about trying it out
sullen trellis
thanks -
uneven mason
hey are Prot warriors good for Mythic + ? ? thinking about trying it out
The better question would be, is M+ good for prot warriors?
Or does it give us heartburn
ionic fern
Is m+ good for your health?
Short answer: no.
Long answer: Nooo.
Then again, if you can put up with 3 DPS'ers doing god knows what you can probably put up with anything that life throws at you.
uneven mason
Is pugging good for your health
grave crane
If you don’t care about timing shit yeah it can be fun
stable kernel
pugging gives me enjoyment
watching people let bolt casts off
ending the dungeon with 6 interrupts
me with 20-30
steel bane
is necro worth it?
sweet summit
nah
clear geyser
hi is night fae prot warr viable now?
sweet summit
i dont like it anymore
dapper coral
I'm actually going all the Covenants the next few weeks, so far I like Necro more than Venthyr
sweet summit
i prefer venthyr over necro
stable kernel
NF / Kyr are both great for prot
sweet summit
^
small marsh
NF slaps harder Kyrian gives phial
stable kernel
NF has the advantage of being good for dps specs too and dps as tank
Kyr has more group diversity + phial
clear geyser
yea cuz i wanna try fury nf too so i might pick nf for my warr 😄
sweet summit
📈
dapper coral
went against a NF Arms in arena today
small marsh
Play w.e you want you can parse 100s regardless of covenant
dapper coral
AA kinda slapped/was annoying
hexed rune
NF means you gets tree armour which is the best plate set
clear geyser
hows NF prot in m+?
clear geyser
high keys
stable kernel
I enjoy necro prot and kyr
dapper coral
NF is probably the biggest pumper in M+
grave crane
I like necrolord so far and on my arms it’s decent to have an extra 10k shield
uneven mason
Its a non DR stun that knocks NPCs in it down every 3s for 12s
so its a 2nd shockwave that hits for 25k and chain interrupts
stable kernel
but i play with a boomie 24/7 and banner feels fun to watch him bomb bosses
uneven mason
its good
stable kernel
but am kyrian atm cus it feels better
dapper coral
low key, going Circle + Necro on my Druid this weekend too
small marsh
Yeah I think NF might actually be better for tanking than Kyrian because of the knockdown fucking with casters
uneven mason
sadly the REALLY scary mobs are immune to its knockdown
small marsh
But you'll take away my owl buddy over my dead body
sweet summit
NF means you gets tree armour which is the best plate set
this is objectively wrong 
small marsh
I'm Kyrian for life because owl buddy rules
plush tendon
One draw back with Night Fae is that Afterschock's rage generation scales based upon targets hit
sweet summit
^
uneven mason
this is objectively wrong <:greenbear:729127145963651092>
Its factually incorrect
stable kernel
uneven mason
Vent looks dumb with wings sticking off the boots
uneven mason
and the shoulders are horrible
plush tendon
Necrolord>Venthyr
sweet summit
wrong
plush tendon
EASILY
sweet summit
WRONG
hot oxide
You take best served cold for reprisal right? Nothing else changes coming from thunder boots?
plush tendon
FALSE
stable kernel
Vent > necro > kyr > fairy warrior
uneven mason
they don't look warrior, they look Styrofoam cosplayer
sweet summit
yeah bsc and anger management
elfin nova
just swapped nightfae and got bugged on campaign chapter 1 🙏
plush tendon
my issue with the Venthyr armor, and its small cause it does look good, is the boots are very 'slim fit'
small marsh
I like Kyrian armor
plush tendon
I like the bulkyness of the necro boots
small marsh
:)
hot oxide
Switched to maldraxxus from kyrian last week
plush tendon
I do enjoy being a Paladin lamppost
hot oxide
Maldrax shoulders are amazing
small marsh
NF is cool too. I don't super love the Venthyr and Necro armor, it's very edgey feeling to me
hot oxide
You can use other cov armor once you get it
stable kernel
no
iron forum
i honestly feel like every single covenant plate set looks awful and rally overdone
small marsh
Same tbh
hot oxide
Got a mage with full vent gear, switched to nf
stable kernel
you have to mog as that cov then swap back
small marsh
I don't love any of the plate sets
small marsh
I like the Kyrian stuff but it doesn't knock my socks off or anything
hot oxide
Just gotta use the armor
hot oxide
Kul tiran in full mal armor is scary
iron forum
if youre kul tiran though why would you use anything except their heritage armor
lucid holly
nathria armor would be cool if it was class specific
iron forum
like the only heritage set that looks good
lucid holly
I can't get excited about shared sets
Need some viagra if I have that set on
and even then
half chub
iron forum
nathria does have some top tier weapons thogh
the raid 2h sword? thats some good shit
iron forum
sword is only for venthyr yeah
small marsh
Whoever decided they should get rid of tier sets can eat my ass
I fucking love tier sets
dapper coral
diaper babies!
lucid holly
Honestly my favorite part of mythic raiding is getting the extra particle effects on gear
But it hasnt been the case since legion :/
small marsh
Yeah it's ridiculous that high end raiders aren't allowed to have cool special toys for just them
And I'm not a high end raider, I'm a heroic boi
dapper coral
Plate has had some baller TMogs from M raiding the past few xpacs
lucid holly
The only cool set from BFA for every armor type is honestly BOD Plate
@dapper coral you must be a human then. That tentacle on the helmet clips on every horde race lol
dapper coral
I'm actually Mag'har and Vulpera on my Warrior
and I have the mog on my Zandalari Paladin too
dapper coral
necrolord covers your toes!
lucid holly
until blizzard realizes fun detected
Cause didn't some legion sets have covered feet and people got all excited and then they patched it
dapper coral
I think the ToV set sorta does
tame jasper
Hm I'm frustrated as I don't get it to reduce the damage taken. I try to keep SB up, use my SR, kick on CD and using LS/SW on boss attacks, but still i take damage as hell and get blamed by healers 😦 I think I do something completly wrong.
thanks for reading my mimimi -_-
dapper coral
It's kinda hard to know exactly w/o logs
Against blockable damage, Warriors should have the smoothest intake of all tanks
tame jasper
Yeah sure. i always forget to start creating them
SD should have a lots of blockable damage, shouldn't it?
strong forum
Basically everything in that dungeon is blockable but first boss smash and the kickable casts
It's just that the gauntlet can be quite taxing and tedious
dapper coral
some routes have a pride going into the gauntlet, which should carry til the lantern
SD, to me, is scarier on Fort than Tyrranical
tame jasper
SD, to me, is scarier on Fort than Tyrranical
Same for me personally
cunning parcel
might be just the healers forgetting you dont have self healing like the other tanks
small marsh
Tyrannical is harder on the other four people in your group
tame jasper
Fort is scarier than Tyrannical in general imo
Yeah, made 4 keys last ID (for KSM)
strong forum
Fort is more tank dmg, tyr is gonna deplete your key if you wipe to a boss, if you wipe to trash you can maybe still do it
So tyr is 10x scarier for me
small marsh
I think fort is a lot harder to execute on as a tank but it's definitely way easier to time in general
Tyrannical is braindead to tank
small marsh
Are you running Reprisal or Wall
hot oxide
Isnt ip when sb on cd?
small marsh
Also what kinda keys are you running
remote tusk
running is an option
hot oxide
I hate kitting
remote tusk
I do as well, but it is so useful
hot oxide
Im no damn DH..
tame jasper
Also what kinda keys are you running
Working on my KSM (did 4 keys last id, 2 this id, and one some weeks ago, now SD is missing)
small marsh
W/ grievous if your dps are getting smacked around it puts a ton of pressure on your healer and you gotta help them
hot oxide
Priority for ip is higher this week
small marsh
Stray dps damage taken compounds itself so badly in grievous weeks
hot oxide
Plus, you’re dps might not be doing the dps it needs?
small marsh
My general defensive rotation is charge SB intervene sb sb sb for 32s uninterrupted SB, heroic leap away and sing the gingerbread man song for like ten seconds, then do it all again
hot oxide
F it, blame the damn hunter/rogue
tame jasper
Plus, you’re dps might not be doing the dps it needs?
Thinking about that too, most around 3k
hot oxide
For a 15?
small marsh
Fucking yikes
tame jasper
Thinking about that too, most around 3k
But far away from the DPS Pika reaches with this 8-10k crits I saw on his stream
hot oxide
Anything over a 15 and dps isn’t 5k+ is auto kick
Well, more like auto leave
But you get it
small marsh
I was gonna say 4k to be conservative but, uh, yeah
I do 3k as the tank, and warrior tank damage is bad
hot oxide
Yup
tame jasper
Anything over a 15 and dps isn’t 5k+ is auto kick
5k as tank? 😮
hot oxide
I ain’t no DH
small marsh
I've been playing fury for literally a week and can do 4.5k dps at like 210 ilvl
On ST
And I'm not parsing purple lol
hot oxide
Lol
icy harness
tame jasper
It's kinda hard to know exactly w/o logs
Can you advise an addon which is creating logs automatically?
small marsh
But yeah point being if your dps are only bringing 3k to a +15, get the fuck outta dodge
hot oxide
You were probably doing your rotation right, dps was idiots
small marsh
Yeah esp on grievous week shit needs to die yesterday before grievous stacks overwhelm the healer
dapper coral
Keys do get ASTRONOMICALLY harder w/ shit DPS
hot oxide
Gotta sneak in IP more though
small marsh
Yeah you do have to play a little more defensively for sure
But I still blame the dps lol
tame jasper
You were probably doing your rotation right, dps was idiots
In my last run at least, 4k owl and almost no one was kicking spells in SD
tame jasper
But I don't count this as an ex..ex... excuse (?unsure if this is the right word)
small marsh
An excuse implies you did something wrong
If the DPS is that terrible you can't carry them
tame jasper
I'm not sure if I do - except taking to much damage
small marsh
No kicks means you get reamed with magic
tame jasper
My whole life I was told to first search for erros at myself
Sure another point to fhave logs. I'll google for an addong
https://raider.io/characters/eu/wrathbringer/Bukama thats my profile btw
knotty mango
is necro good for m+ dont wanna change now
stable kernel
its fine but if you are nf or kyr no real reason to change
knotty mango
nah im necro but dont wann go kyrian or nf ;D too much kyrian/nf charactrrs
stable kernel
stay necro if you like it
knotty mango
ye
hot oxide
I gotta do some soulbind for necro warr research
dapper coral
heirmir or emeni
hot oxide
I just threw some crap in it lol
dapper coral
Heirmir kinda stinks sometimes b/c you can't really get a potency into it
Enemi is a lot easier to slot one in
hot oxide
Is gen draven really amazing for prot?
dapper coral
it's considered the best overall defensive soulbind
dapper coral
maximizing defense is overrated a lot of the time
viscid lava
Where do we craft reprisal?
hot oxide
o.O
tame jasper
In Thorgast
small marsh
But can’t do condemn on prot
Why not
Charge with Reprisal, condemn, enjoy your condemn shield
dense flame
I use revenge too much 😦
small marsh
Unless I'm crazy or misreading I could see using condemn on casters in AOE over IP
Occasionally
dense flame
sometimes I forget to use SB/IP. I just spam revenge and hope for the best
dapper coral
dead stuff can't hit you
small marsh
Cause condemn says its shield only applies to the thing you hit with condemn
And condemn is about 30% the shielding of IP for, if you only spend 20 rage on it (a big if to be fair), 50% of the rage, and you get back 20% of the rage spent on condemn if it doesn't kill
It's probably not a great idea but it's fun to think about
sand topaz
weird question. if i'm tanking with signet (don't have reprisal yet) and i avatar -> bladestorm in a pack and i'm in no danger of dying, should i cancelaura to spam revenge once i'm rage capped or should i just let the bladestorm rock?
somber stump
are you guys having trouble keeping aggro aswell on packs? somehow i am severely low on threat and lose aggro quite alot
hot oxide
what's your rotation crex?
somber stump
i charge in - revenge - tc - ravager to start, then use another defensive and by that time i atleast loose 1 add
with avatar up if possible
the only downside i have atm is using a 210 weapon, but that can't be it i think
somber stump
yeah i am using reprisal
just waiting for my mission to get the last 80 ash for an upgrade from rank 1 to 3
i recently turned back to protection and got thrown into +15's right away, but i feel like im getting alot of dmg and generate low threat
hot oxide
you kyrian?
hot oxide
ahh, no idea how to weave in condemn with prot
somber stump
im guessing going NF would solve some aggro problems, but i can't afford changing yet i guess
hot oxide
i'd go kyrian over nf
mighty valley
you can throw ravager before pull to save a GCD for another revenge
somber stump
i barely use condemn tbh
wanton condor
reprisal -> charge + Revenge should solve most
also toss ravager on pulls
the one annoyance is making sure you hit everyone with reprisal and don't pretty it too early
er, revenge
sudden kayak
just made reprisal last night as in i had no tank legendary i feel way tankier now that initial block from charge is nice and i feel like more rage generation
hot oxide
kyrian is 2 fold since it holds the targets in place while you build threat
somber stump
i am losing threat to mages and boomies atm, and a demon hunter instantly meme beaming
hot oxide
o
jade laurel
Trying out Prot as I level 50-60 in dungeons. My main BDK is going to be retired once I hit 60. Feelsbadman but Warrior feels so fun.
hot oxide
they need to learn to not balls to the damn wall then
wanton condor
run BSC + reprisal?
oblique garnet
Venthyr for m+ is like having no covenant
somber stump
i wondered if it's a warrior thing atm having low threat, when i'm dpsing and see other tanks i don't see any issue
somber stump
Venthyr for m+ is like having no covenant
i totally feel you there
mighty valley
ravager -> charge makes a big difference tbh. we can generate enough threat, we do have to work harder for it than some other tanks though
hot oxide
sigma is right, that should solve your threat issues, if not the dps are critting to high
somber stump
run BSC + reprisal?
yeah i am
sudden kayak
should i go kyrian but im going to lose my 38 level of venthyr
hot oxide
stay ven if your prot is offspec
wanton condor
if you're losing threat with that you're probably missing someone with the revenge on the charge in, which I find is pretty common if you're hitting it early
hot oxide
if its MS, i suggest moving to something else
sudden kayak
i keep getting into groups being atank im thinking to make it my full time career
oblique garnet
And its really good for fury
somber stump
if its MS, i suggest moving to something else
it is an offspec yeah, both our MT's hardly play outside of raiding so i stepped in to tank more and help guildies
wanton condor
I'm probably gonna try out NF this week or next, AA is better against casters but Spear against bears is ace
mighty valley
i'm venthyr still, doing fine
wanton condor
NF is just 5 capped
hot oxide
that banner is amazballs
wanton condor
mainly I love spear for bears and the jumpy maldraxxus dudes
oblique garnet
Venthyr is just no covenant ability outside of ST which is why its not very good for m+
So youre reliant on your basekit for threat
hot oxide
no o shit button
oblique garnet
And warriors basekit is kinda sad atm unless you have bis gear
hot oxide
or pre shit button
wanton condor
my crazy hot take is that everything that affects execute should affect revenge, give us aoe condemn
mighty valley
yeah if you're optimizing for m+ and don't care about anything else don't pick venthyr, but it's totally fine, can do big keys, just gotta work a little harder
hot oxide
my crazy hot take is that everything that affects execute should affect revenge,...
if they did that sigma, i'd never switch again.
somber stump
i really want to go NF, but i'm unsure how much i'll get gimped in raids as fury then xD
hot oxide
i kinda wanna switch to night fae now
oblique garnet
i really want to go NF, but i'm unsure how much i'll get gimped in raids as fury...
Not at all
hot oxide
is NF ability on par with condemn?
mighty valley
NF is maybe the best middle ground if you're kinda doing everything
oblique garnet
For fury iirc its pretty much even and in some cases even better
somber stump
i think NF is alittle behind in raid atm
on some fights it'd be better, but single target fights it's falling behind
hot oxide
is it me, or did blizz basiclly say " Night fae is for everyone!"?
wanton condor
I was just simming myself and NF was neck and neck in ST with venthyr
it's just less useful damage
as it's not execute
if that's what you need
niya is just real overtuned
elfin nova
Just glancing at the top logs for fury you can see nightfae and venthyr are both competitive
hot oxide
link me please lime
oblique garnet
Our warrior was topping sire p3 damage as nf fury this week so its not like the execute is bad
hot oxide
is it just fury, or arms also?
elfin nova
arms also has NF close to/at the top
hot oxide
hell, i cleared torghast today for shits and giggles as arms and it went faster then what I thought it would
elfin nova
but you'd rather by NF for prot/fury than venthyr for both
if you are trying to find a middle ground
hot oxide
truth
elfin nova
that was more the point i think
hot oxide
hmmm
now i'm going to reseaarch more
i see that a lot of people are switching to NF fury
sick sentinel
i would like to play NF for m+ but nearly everyone that i play with is NF
hot oxide
i would like to play NF for m+ but nearly everyone that i play with is NF
i think blizz made that shit intentional
am i looking at this dressing room right? Mechagnome have pants with night fae armor?
oblique garnet
I mean 2 of the best m+ dps specs just happen to be NF
I guess theres bit more variance now with Ele shaman rising aswell
hot oxide
i tried to make venthry work with my fire mage
i just can't keep up with that damn cooldown business
woven torrent
can someone show me what the talent build with reprisal would look like?
i cant seem to find it on icyveins or pins
ionic fern
?
hot oxide
switch to best served cold
ionic fern
hot oxide
and AM
woven torrent
OHHH
my bad
i was looking at another page with talents
sorry
i found it now too
ionic fern
hot oxide
storm bolt share DR with SW right? or am I having a slow moment
ionic fern
Stuns in general do yes.
ocean acorn
oblique garnet
@ionic fern why is CT not the most optimal choice 🤔
Why is there variance
Like its by far the best talent in the row regardless of situation
ionic fern
You don't really need it.
Most people prefer to play without it in general me included.
ionic fern
Yes.
oblique garnet
Its better for your overall threat especially earlier on in pulls
ionic fern
The pack sizes are small enough that the extra range doesn't matter + you have Ravager/AA/Spear etc for AoE threat so it's a non issue.
But it's still a solid option and some people prefer it, hence the "?" on both.
oblique garnet
I mean theres multiple packs in m+ where thats not really true
hot oxide
hmmm
oblique garnet
And your tc wont hit all of the mobs without it
ionic fern
It's not like i'm advising people not to use it,as i said, it can be played. 🙂
oblique garnet
Ye im not saying that
hot oxide
you have me thinking about switching from Maldraxxus to NF with that link @elfin nova
cunning parcel
I was out dpsing some of our dps tonight with reprisal in heroic CN 8l
mossy peak
i think both the kiting meta and reprisal make bounding stride more attractive
hot oxide
double time would be worth it more then bounding
mossy peak
double time is less worth
it's harder to slide in that many charges mid-fight as tank, easier for dps
hot oxide
i would intervene my healer, then charge. but i guess less buttons to push
mossy peak
that wastes a revenge
hot oxide
is the cooldown on reprisal not a thing?
mossy peak
the shield blocks add
sweet summit
cooldown on reprisal?
sudden kayak
what conduits do we wear 2 endurance or 2 potencies for prot mythic plus
hot oxide
o, i didn't know they add up. I thought it resets to 4 after every 1
mossy peak
they add up to i believe 18 without bolster, including your own casts
sweet summit
yep ^
arctic wasp
does the reprisal effect gives the 50 % damage to revenge when BSC ??
hot oxide
yup
sick sentinel
its not like the necro dungeon bonuses are game changing
turbid cargo
i love maldraxxus armor and the banner, but i pug alot..
the necro transmog is the reason I haven't 
sick sentinel
same
arctic wasp
all dungeon bonuses are nice to haves imo, but i wont change NL i'm loving fleshcraft and i like the conduits more too, also my raid team is happy with the banner buff haha
not to mention the transmog looks awesome in my undead 😛
arctic wasp
well dwarfs looks so badass too :D, almost all clasess but orcs, they awful imo haha
mossy peak
if you're 200 item level, you are at least mildly potato
stuck linden
Hi, i really want to get memory of reprisal, all guides say that it can only be obtained from upper reaches in torgahst but wow head says that gherus he chained in skoldus halls can drop it. does anyone know if this is right?
shy path
Recommendation on covenant if you MS prot for raids but still play a good amount of arms and fury...across all content
mossy peak
it might be better, but it's also not in the mix here
shy path
Hmm NF it is then...damn really was liking condemn..wish it wasn’t ass for prot
mossy peak
it's not bad for prot in raid on single target, but it does feel bad sometimes
esp in m+
fossil sparrow
it's booty
shy path
I’m the off tank for raids so maybe it wouldn’t be that bad..
mossy peak
nothing to lose by trying it out
shy path
I’ve been dungeon grinding as I level to 60, trying diff covs
mossy peak
your covenant choice will not be the deciding difference between success and failure on a raid boss
shy path
True
mossy peak
and all four are genuinely valid for prot and generally valid for warrior overall
mossy peak
necro is the only one that's iffy for dps, but it's not actually that bad
shy path
Yeah necro is def out
shy path
Honestly it’s between NF and Venthyr
distant crystal
i think necro fury loses almost as much dmg as two boomkins would gain by getting their banner with each cavoke
where it basically becomes a wash
mossy peak
venthyr is best for damage on raid bosses specifically, though night fae has effectively bridged the gap for dps specs
so if your sole priority is raid boss damage as your different specs
then proceed with venthyr
otherwise i would say nf
distant crystal
or i guess two aff locks are the biggest winners from banner simp
onyx moon
is this the prot channel 😄
mossy peak
no, this is patrick
oblique garnet
bring a ret to a raid? that's a paladin
But ret is the best melee behind dk 🤔
oblique garnet
Well yes
wind surge
who brings melee in raid, you only have to bring them for their unique buff
lunar jackal
yo guys @strong forum is stalking me in twitch
oblique garnet
Its behind the most broken melee spec so i wouldnt really say ret is bad
mossy peak
if you're a melee and you don't have a unique raid buff, and you aren't a death knight
hope that 3 ranged dps are absent tonight
onyx moon
so basically if you aint a dk or warrior
mossy peak
the perennial wow design
make melee fun, add more melee specs
and then make being melee bad
oblique garnet
Melee isnt even bad for last 2 a.k.a the only fights that matter 😪
Its just matter of people playing what they are best at instead of blindly following fotm outside of top20
stone sonnet
hi guys
i read guide and faq, but i can't decide, i'm new to protection warrior, which covenant do you suggest? i only do m+
sweet summit
kyrian or night fae
onyx moon
necrolord
onyx moon
😄
stone sonnet
why?
onyx moon
depends on your comp
sweet summit
i dont like necrolord
onyx moon
In my mythic group I got a fire mage and a balance druid and we all do comps so we can communicate
stone sonnet
best covenant for multispec?
sweet summit
night fae
compact palm
Necrolord to embrace your inner simp
onyx moon
prolly NF
compact palm
U shouldn't
onyx moon
too each their own
compact palm
They should
stone sonnet
and is still good as protection, right?
onyx moon
realistically you can play whatever covenant you want and be able to do a +15 on time
sweet summit
night fae is great
onyx moon
its aoe is nice until mobs move out of it or you have to kite and its useless in boss fights
in my opinion
sweet summit
its not useless on bosses
onyx moon
per target
sweet summit
you control where the mobs go (for the most part)
onyx moon
every warrior convanent ability say for venthir generates rage
stone sonnet
second question is revenge
oblique garnet
It also does decent damage but for sure if you play with controlled group and actively communicate you can make a case for necrolord
stone sonnet
should i cast it only if free?
sweet summit
cast it a lot
stone sonnet
but thunder clap has major prority, right?
hot oxide
time to switch covenants again
is their a time frame on how long you can switch back to your old covenant?
onyx moon
NF beats out every other covanent in aoe damage, kyrian provides burst rage and consistant damage in aoe and ST while providing us a nice defensive cd with the phial since prot warriors got issues dealing with bleeds
sweet summit
you spend rage on SB>revenge>>>>>>IP @stone sonnet thats the priority for 95% of all m+
stone sonnet
ip?
sweet summit
ignore pain
stone sonnet
oh right
do you have a suggested wa and plater profile?
i use luxthos but i don't find it so good
leaden dew
hello! thinking about joining the tanking squad, the WoWhead guide says that prot war can be a bit boring, is that a thing?
fervent smelt
Not since reprisal, I've rediscovered my love for prot war
leaden dew
the guide also says it can be a bit complicated
and ive literally never tanked before
will this be an issue lol
coming from a healer standpoint, i felt warriors were the most smooth to heal compared to the other classes
elfin nova
never having tanked before is always going to be there
fossil sparrow
fucking up, costs you more than other tanks
elfin nova
until you try it
onyx moon
dude prot warrior is fun af
its soo to hear yourself block an attack
or too spell reflect and finding out which boss mechanics can be spell reflected
fervent smelt
when the main healer I run with found out prot wars can spell reflect Reaping scythe in ToP he basically shat his pants
leaden dew
i was thinking of leveling a warrior from fresh to learn the basics
as opposed to boosting
fervent smelt
if you run dungeons from 50 on youll be fine
onyx moon
pretty sure you can SR Rite of Supremacy in Sanguine depths\
golden tapir
Made the swap to necro for fun and so glad I did that with the change to the new leg
Man what a day!
fervent smelt
i debated it seriously for a while, decided to stay NF.. cant give up ancient aftershock
golden tapir
Only bummer now is having to grind out the Anima
The shield is really nice and useful 2 min is not a long cd at all and the banner is amazing for alot of mechanics
leaden dew
people wont be pissed i cant tank if i level from 50?
hot oxide
when the main healer I run with found out prot wars can spell reflect Reaping sc...
I love SR mazhuella in mythic. People freak when they find out it works
stone sonnet
is there a list of spells that i can sr?
sweet summit
pins
hot oxide
The shield is really nice and useful 2 min is not a long cd at all and the banne...
DPS mess it up a lot...or maybe because I pug a lot.
Switched to night fae, f it
lusty light
prot paladin > prot warrior
sweet summit
ok
onyx moon
blind squirrel eventually finds the acorn
mossy peak
arguing that prot paladin or prot warrior is best is like choosing your favorite flavor of mealworm
onyx moon
also give it until more stats become available prot warriors scale the hardest
mossy peak
ehh id slow your roll on that
mossy peak
being buffed to shit and getting broken items at the end of an expansion
thus making them "scale hardest"
onyx moon
sure
how ever you want to put it we also scale well with stats in general due to passives
mossy peak
they way i want to put it is outside by the dumpster along with all other discussions of scaling in modern wow
it's just patch by patch tuning and borrowed power these days
inherent scaling or lack thereof is just not nearly a factor in comparison
halcyon horizon
Wait for Blood DK lol
Once the double legendary comes, who will be able to stop them...
mossy peak
second leggo = borrowed power
halcyon horizon
second leggo = borrowed power
y
onyx moon
blood Dk's kit is really good for raiding
yeah im not really a fan of the whole barrowed power thing it feels bad
mossy peak
trinkets and set bonuses still fall into the same category, just to a lesser extent
mighty valley
you'd like the game to feel more the same from expansion to expansion?
onyx moon
nah i just think set bonuses would be better
mighty valley
isn't that temporary borrowed power too
onyx moon
correct
halcyon horizon
A kind of borrowed power i enjoy is weapon with cool effects
Like Gur'thalak etc...
onyx moon
so artifact weapons
halcyon horizon
Yes and no
Artifacts weapon worked well
but i'm thinking more like cool effects like... The 2 handed sword from BFA
onyx moon
i think it would be kind of cool is if later in the expansion they allow us to turn our artifact weapons into rune blades like they did with Schalomane and anduin
since we cant delete them
halcyon horizon
Yeah but they wont do that because it means people will have to unlock them through legion content
which they wont do.
onyx moon
they would probably include a sort of short cut to get one. Id just like something else to be done with them since its sitting in my bank taking up space
sick sentinel
After wow 9.0.5 patch, can I get information about legendary and covenant bis?
limpid pawn
hey if i did torghast after already have 8000 soul ash
do i get it mailed after crafting something?
amber siren
Afaik yes
limpid pawn
you sure
signal plover
I would doubt it as it's a cap
signal plover
After wow 9.0.5 patch, can I get information about legendary and covenant bis?
Pins
merry ocean
Wasn't there a problem where people forgot to loot soul ash and they didn't get mail? And even Blizzard said it was intentional
elfin nova
Pretty sure
Nah they changed it so it goes postmaster if you forget to loot
But if you're capped
That's different
signal plover
Yeah a cap is a limit.
merry ocean
Mistveil Tender in mists if you forgot to kick her 😄
leaden dew
im just reading that blood elf is master race for m+
but highmountain is a good race for warrior tank
and ive never made a HMT before so that could be cool
limpid pawn
just trying this b/c it's new but you guys think bolster is still required pretty much?
mossy peak
nah
lofty widget
nop
mossy peak
reprisal fills the gaps
cerulean pebble
^^
limpid pawn
im a bit afraid to ask, but what IO are you guys
lofty widget
i'd probably play storm bolt instead of DT as well, its super hard to get good use out of the second chage imo
limpid pawn
is BSC > booming voice?
lofty widget
yuh
limpid pawn
seems like it may not be super valuable
mossy peak
with reprisal
lofty widget
we get the rage that BV gave us and more with reprisal
lilac olive
What trinkets people like for 15ish keys
thorny plume
Reprisal bis is legs?\
torpid saffron
So, what covenants are you guys playing for prot ? I'm currently playing as Kyrian, have done all 15 keys
Has any of you tried Necrolord ? Is it worth it ? Or it's just overrated ?
stable kernel
Reprisal bis is legs?\
I feel it’s the safest going into next tier but if you can get mythic slg legs you can also craft boots
ancient pasture
Am I right in reading that Condemn does less damage than regular execute because of the AP scaling? Or is it basically the same because of the whole, shadow dmg ignoring armor part?
inland silo
it does a bit more because of the shadow damage
limpid pawn
am i the only one who doesn't really like the new reprisal style
dark lark
Has any of you tried Necrolord ? Is it worth it ? Or it's just overrated ?
If you're pugging it's not worth it.
You need to be in an organized group with classes that make use of mastery
limpid pawn
torpid saffron
So only in organized groups.. thanks
limpid pawn
in subcreation it seems like this is the best build for higher keys still
ancient pasture
am i the only one who doesn't really like the new reprisal style
It's taking some getting used to, but I enjoy it for M+. Raid I still like my rage from The Wall
torpid saffron
am i the only one who doesn't really like the new reprisal style
i used to hate it too.. but it takes time to learn the playstyle
ancient pasture
@limpid pawn There's people doing +20 with AM too
torpid saffron
@dark lark should i stick to this tree of Pelagos ? Or go with Phial of Patience ?
ancient pasture
Lmao, snipping tool bro
dark lark
So only in organized groups.. thanks
I would put Spear conduit in the bottom potency slot, that way you always have it.
torpid saffron
I also saw some Kyrian warrs playing Kleia
dark lark
Phial of Patience is nice but not required, I personally go that row if I need a finesse conduit like big rally or safeguard.
torpid saffron
Should i get ashen juggernaut ?
Or what else ?
dark lark
Your dps is only increased a tiny bit
torpid saffron
I was tryin' 2 work with what i have 😄 And what i saw others used aswell
dark lark
Nah if you go second potency then yes go show of force. I'm just saying it's a very minor dps increase
I personally do run Phial of patience + finesse conduit based on situation
torpid saffron
Nice.. thanks for the tip
dark lark
I'm also not Kyrian anymore lol
torpid saffron
As for Brutal Vitality against Unnerving Focus ? What do you think... ?
torpid saffron
I thought that Unnerving Focus got a bit more value by running Bolster..
Mostly doing keys
torpid saffron
But now that we're running Reprisal with AM it feels like it doesn't give us that much value anymore
2min cd
dark lark
Mechanic where there's lots of bleeds (i.e. sire p3, millicent manastorm, etc) ? Last stand and ignore pain spam. Execute range? Last Stand and spam execute
It's was very versatile with bolster, but without bolster you have more freedom on when you use it
Brutal Vitality felt very underwhelming to me, even the 226 version
torpid saffron
Ok.. so it also increases rage generation from other sources aswell
I thought it increased only rage generation via auto-attacks or smth like that
dark lark
Yeah. If you hit execute range and drop ravager + spear, its a shitton of rage
dark lark
I'm night fae
I tried necrolord for a week and it was extremely underwhelming for my group and raid
(my m+ comp is pwar rsham mm outlaw ww)
ancient pasture
I run with a boomkin and fire mage for my push group, and necro still felt not fun to play
dark lark
As night fae, I'm doing a good 1k more overall in dungeons than when I was necrolord
ancient pasture
And the extra dmg wasn't game changing for us
dark lark
I was about to say that would've been THE comp to run with
ancient pasture
Like, they enjoyed it. But it felt awful for me
dark lark
Yeah, only thing I liked about necro was the transmog
languid flower
If you're running The Wall, how important is Anger Management? I've really gotten used to Bolster...
ancient pasture
Yeah, only thing I liked about necro was the transmog
And a good xmog is worth about 5% dps
dark lark
At least with night fae my damage is huge, my dps off spec is actually relevant, and I'm a beautiful butterfly
torpid saffron
So, you like night fae more than kyrian ?
dark lark
If you're running The Wall, how important is Anger Management? I've really gotte...
Before Reprisal I used AM in raid and Bolster in keys with the Wall.
torpid saffron
That kyrian potion feels quite useful in Necrotic weeks.. as for spear of bastion, it's kinda good damage and rage generation
dark lark
AM let's you use your shield wall extremely liberally for mechanics in raid
ancient pasture
If you're running The Wall, how important is Anger Management? I've really gotte...
AM is great for more avatars and more shield walls.
But if you need to have the extra SB uptime for some fight, then go bolster
dark lark
I'm starting mythic CN tonight
I've never actually timed it but by most accounts: shield wall conduit + the wall + am = about a 1.5-2min cd on shield wall
ancient pasture
They're both viable and I swap depending on the fight.
dark lark
But if you need to have the extra SB uptime for some fight, then go bolster
Definitely, it's situational. For early CN, I used AM on shriek, bolster on Huntsman, AM on Hungering/Darkvein/Sun King
torpid saffron
Thanks for the tips @dark lark, best wishes! ^^
dark lark
I run bolster on Huntsman because I tank hecutis and I don't move at all
ancient pasture
I've never actually timed it but by most accounts: shield wall conduit + the wal...
When I timed it, best case I could get SW down to 55-57sec
dark lark
That kyrian potion feels quite useful in Necrotic weeks.. as for spear of bastio...
Spear is indeed good damage/rage gen, AA is similar just bigger burst. Kyrian is just awful for arms/fury though which is why I went NF
torpid saffron
Oh.. i tried a bit of arms and it didn't feel that bad. But i'm not pushing 20+ keys, so i guess you know it better
dark lark
I'm used to kiting necrotic stacks from BFA, I've never actually used Phial for necrotic
I did use Phial a lot in plaguefalls though
Stupid diseases
dark lark
Sadly the bleeds you want to Phial off don't work, like the vanquishers in sun king and sire/remornia
Fuck those bears
torpid saffron
😄
ancient pasture
That bleed in Sunking they changed like 2months into the tier too. Such BS
If your Kyrian you can spear+leap to reset stacks on the bears
dark lark
Yeah as NF I literally just avatar ravager AA and then haul ass
I hold my ground and tank for the 20ish seconds of avatar and some demo shout and then I'm kiting
Dogs' jaws of stone hit me through block for like 12k each
- deadly thrust + bleed
I low key hate hoa the most
random niche
For M+ should I change anything from the norm as far as talents if I run Reprisal?
ancient pasture
For M+ should I change anything from the norm as far as talents if I run Reprisa...
You can run AM instead of bolster if you want to
dark lark
For M+ should I change anything from the norm as far as talents if I run Reprisa...
Reprisal m+ build is devastator BSC indomitable ravager AM
ancient pasture
Ya bsc is pog with Reprisal
dark lark
Double time/storm bolt row is preference, crackling thunder/bounding stride is preference
ancient pasture
I also never run ravager, but maybe I'm crazy
dark lark
Sometimes I accidentally run ITF in a key right after raid but I just roll with it lol
Not a big difference maker
ancient pasture
Ya, I personally find I waste the rage from ravager too often. But that's a me playing shitty thing.
random niche
So BSC is worth it with Reprisal? That was what I was fishing for
dark lark
So BSC is worth it with Reprisal? That was what I was fishing for
Absolutely
Revenge is my top damage by a lot now with this build
random niche
The extra procs of Revenge! looked like it would be. When I saw BSC reworked I really wanted to run it
dark lark
Ya, I personally find I waste the rage from ravager too often. But that's a me p...
Tbh I like it for the snap agro at the beginning of pulls
The rage is just a bonus for me
primal mauve
WHich item slot for reprisal?
dark lark
Legs, unless you already have mythic SLG on farm
My guild might never kill mythic SLG so I crafted legs
dark lark
Haste vers
hot oxide
Still haste/vers
primal mauve
thanks
rapid drift
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dark lark
Funny story: when I first crafted my 190 the wall in like the second week of the expansion, I accidentally put on haste mastery. But I didn't want to get behind on upgrades so I just kept it and upgraded it all the way to 235 /shrug
Chrisprattimtooafraidtoaskmeme.jpg
carmine carbon
Anyone have a weakaura or something to track the two closest people for Necro Banner?
patent osprey
limpid pawn
plka, is necrolord better than kyrian for M+
can you give us your opinion if possible please
@patent osprey
flint roost
Sorry what is BSC?
dark lark
"PlkaKO Is Necrolord Bis for Prot War in 9.0.5? PlkaKO
I think the change for Necrolord will make Necro BIS for Prot warrior in Raids but I think itll make prot warrior bis for High keys in a very coordinated group. If you are doing keys less than like 20, then Kyrian or NF are probably better for overall play and performance. Trying to align banner in pugs is more difficult than one would think and doesn't help you with initial threat or aggro."
That's from his discord
dark lark
Sorry what is BSC?
Best served cold talent
flint roost
Best served cold talent
Thank you
carmine carbon
Will that weakaura trigger when combat starts?
elder whale
It is always active unless you change the load
hot oxide
Is it sad that I left kyrian because i think they’re a bunch of whiners?
elder whale
Nah Im with you
carmine carbon
I imported it but it is not showing up
elder whale
Are you in a party?
carmine carbon
In raid atm
elder whale
On CD?
carmine carbon
Nope
carmine carbon
I mght have to reload
elder whale
Are you NL lol? ^^
hot oxide
Lol
carmine carbon
yeah lol
hot oxide
Might be spec specific also
carmine carbon
in prot
elder whale
Well Im out of ideas
dark lark
Is it sad that I left kyrian because i think they’re a bunch of whiners?
The owl buddies were the one redeeming factor to that band of self righteous zealots that wipe their memories
elder whale
Can you see it at all when you have WA open?
elder whale
Well, do it
carmine carbon
mid pull
atomic schooner
with this new legendary its still haste>vers=crit>mastery or mastery gets higher?
elder whale
Yes
atomic schooner
yes what
hot oxide
Is thier a haste cap? And can we hit it?
elder whale
Reprisal gives us even higher uptime on SB so mastery falls of more in my opinion
There are soft caps at 25%
But only a 10% penalty
woven trellis
hey guys, Head piece 213 major versa + socket
or head piece 220 major haste no socket
considering im going push towards 20 keys and higher after that
minor haste i mean the 220 head piece
and major mastery
btw, i also have 226 glove minor crit high mastery, would u guys trade those for ilvl 220 haste versa?
sick sentinel
Guys, Any opinion about Beating Abomination Core? is good? 194ilvl does anyone have some comparation
dark lark
@woven trellis I would go highest ilvl for those slots regardless of socket. You get a lot of main stat which is most important. Jewelry is a different story.
woven trellis
wdym jewelry is a different story
undone sun
jewelry doesn't give main stat so it's a bit more lenient, but for the most part it's the same
woven trellis
it does if u chose to put 7 str
undone sun
that's not the slot itself, just socket
woven trellis
im sorry i feel dumb im just not sure what u mean like related to my question
are u saying that having a socket doesnt change that ilvl wtv happens
like
we talkin about a helm with no socket a major main stat which is the worst for m+
against a helm that is just 1 bracket ilvl lower (220 to 213) with socket, and a huge bunch of the most important stat
elfin nova
What's the difference in str
Helm is (one of) the slot where ilvl is strongest, it has high stat budget
If you're going to push 20 keys you should just farm darkfrost helmet and upgrade that to 220 (and add a socket), if you can't get mythic sire helm or a 226 pvp one that is
But str stam and armor all matter and secondaries are not that impactful. If you really want to optimise for vers you just have to go and do pvp
woven trellis
What's the difference in str
its 5 str diff
woven trellis
But str stam and armor all matter and secondaries are not that impactful. If yo...
ye i started pvp but pvp gear is 213 for now and i have a lot of 226 for m+
from m+
elfin nova
Sure
Re: the helm question, it will be pretty close together because of the socket but it really won't make that much of a difference
rocky garnet
im sure this has been asked a million times
but is this beating abomination core good
elfin nova
Nightfae
No wait
Uh it's not bad for the ilvl but if you have decent options from raid/dungeons it's probably not worth using
elfin nova
If you are still gearing it's not a bad choice. Queensguard vigil was up on eu the other day and is decent for the ilvl too
rocky garnet
i just have pvp trinkets atm cause just starting playing prot again since bfa
elfin nova
Definitely gonna be better than your medallion then yes :p
sick sentinel
hi guys, im wondering what the usual uptime for ignore pain in m+
im having around 30%
is it too low
plush tendon
uptime on Ignore pain is not all that important, and should only be used should you need it; the rage spent on ignore pain is rage that couldve been spent on SB. Purpose of ignore pain is to eliviate heavy magic, bleed, dot damage not necesarrily melee
not saying dont press it if you have the excess rage, I jus wouldnt worry about uptime
also, looking at a couple of random logs of prot wars in 18 keys, it looks to be around 35% uptime
another guy at 25%, so you are probably using it fine, just make sure you are using it at the right time rather then using it all the time
amber siren
Up time is dependant on rage and what content you’re doing, there’s no rule for it
IP is just a filler, it’s not active mitigation
undone verge
I need to know how to improve at these m+ keys, right now im stuck at barely timing +7-9, or not timing at all. One group ive singled out as special was a +9 DoS, and was one where we were going to lose on time by a few minutes, until we wiped on the last boss due to grievous but the packs of mobs in there were hitting me super hard, and I was wondering if it was me, or just an average healer and slow dps (more info: one dps pulled 1.7k, the other two pulled 3.2 and 4.7. And the healer pulled 3.1 hps)
floral pewter
What's your ilvl?
undone verge
196
floral pewter
That should be fine for +9s
1.7k is awful DPS, but with the other two it's not crazy bad overall
undone verge
for reference that was for the entire dungeon and I pulled 2.3k
what about the healing because I noticed I was getting hit hard by packs that normally dont hit as hard
floral pewter
Using Shield Block and cooldowns at appropriate times is what keeps you alive
undone verge
yeah I got a weakaura that allows me to keep pretty high and efficient uptimes, but the packs were dying so slowly, Id run out of defensives
floral pewter
Grievous+Fortified can indeed hit you hard, DoS has some nasty trash packs
Kiting is also an option to keep in mind
If you're out of defensives, tclap for snare, then leap away
undone verge
yeah thats usually what would end up happening
then id get sniped by a cast
thing is for the first group in dos I usually use last stand, and for the second I use shield wall, and usually save my kyrian pots, or healthstones for oh shit kinda moments, but by the end of the first pack I was depleted of every cd but shield wall, cause the packs werent dying
mighty valley
It's usually smart to bloodlust that first pack since at a normal pace you'll have it back for hakkar anyway, so it doesn't drain you as long
But depending on gear, it's often right to get as much threat as you can during your opening CDs and then start kiting as soon as they run out
For the second pack, do the same thing with shield wall, but interrupting shadowcores is important there so it's not all on you
undone verge
yeah I usually try to maintain a presence at the pack until the one big guy enrages, when I heroic leap or intercept out and kite until it ends
then pop a round of shield block and ignore pain until they die
oh that reminds me of another thing. No one was interrupting, after a while it got a bit better, but every scribe, and shadowcore was coming straight at me
mighty valley
well
undone verge
and im sitting over here low health trying to kite out of range of the caste who I marked as skull and said to interrupt but who still had as much health as the melee
getting sniped by magic dmg as a warrior
mighty valley
best you can do is spell reflect basically on cooldown
undone verge
yeah which I will admit I am shit at
but im trying to get better
ill get a couple spell reflects a group
im gonna run a key and see how it goes with my my new information
mighty valley
DOS is those three bad packs (one of which has a jar) and then good ardenweald pulling and that's about it
but those packs are among the roughest
undone verge
yeah, I noticed the dungeon was much easier with a group all pulling 4k dps and actually stunning/interupting
cobalt marten
hi, i noticed prot warriors are doing well, so figured might swap to protection,
what is the best covenant rn and best lego?
mainly focusing on m+ but tank
tame jasper
all except venthyr are good
Necro more for grps that known each other to coordinate the banner
cobalt marten
pvp wise kyrian is the way or necro?
tame jasper
Kyrian and NF are more general with some like NF more due movement etc, others kyrian for phial
I don't play pvp
cobalt marten
thanks man
tame jasper
I'm kyrian, for spear and phial
tame jasper
most say; reprisal for m+, the wall for raid. I go fine with this. reprisal is fun
tame jasper
thunder was m+ before the patch, when repirsal got changed completly
tame jasper
Have fun 🙂
chilly brook
Nah nah
Go Nightfae
@cobalt marten
It has little to do with the movement
Nightfae pumps damage and AA is far more valuable than spear in terms of its actual CC
prisma bear
necro master race
proper pecan
Wait, if AA knock them down every 3 seconds, for exaple, almost none of those nasty spell on first big pull in DOS for its duration?
lime urchin
That big boi is immune to stuns!
night wadi
AA has a stun? TIL
lime urchin
The knockdown is a wee stun.
verbal herald
Hey fellow warriors ✊🏼 I’ve a question regarding Mythic raiding. If you are abit undergeared (215 ish) What legendary would you recommend for best defensiv mitigation? Thanks
mossy peak
the wall
lime urchin
Always the wall!
proper pecan
That big boi is immune to stuns!
Ye, but there are still 3 more casters there, I mainly interested in them
median tulip
The earliest kills were both lower iLvl and had lower renown, so less Stamina and fewer Soulbind powers/conduits
raw gyro
Kyrian is best for pugging right?
mossy peak
kyrian pot is undeniable, night fae and reprisal lets ya get in there a whompin and a stompin hard
aint wrong to pick either
but i would say if you multi spec i'd lean night fae unless you pvp
thorny wing
Yo guys, im starting to do 19+ Keys now, and somehow i feel my conduits are not ideal (Kyrian), Currently i use Pelagos with "Piercing Verdict", "Stalwart Guardian", "Show of Force", "Unnerving Focus" [2x Potency, 2x Endurance] ; But somehow i dont feel "Show of Force" in higher Keys, what do you guys think? Im thinking about going 1x Finesse (Rallying Cry thing), 2x Endurance (same as above) and getting rid of Show of Force. And what do you think about going Kleia and Mikanikos? Probably not that good huh
odd verge
For the fun of it, I swapped to bring a necroboi. It does make be a little more tanky but it... Feels a little.... clunky. The 3-sec channel just doesn’t fit with the speed/fluidity of using reprisal and Banner feels a little.... lack luster.
Swapped from Kyrian so I might give NF a go.
ionic fern
Yo guys, im starting to do 19+ Keys now, and somehow i feel my conduits are not ...
In general you shouldn't have any issues with Show of Force on those levels .
You can obviously still run a finesse conduit if you want to, a lot of people actually prefer it.
Kleia has some potential optional uses on Necrotic weeks etc but in general Pelagos is the go-to jeah
strong forum
Kleia Sims higher for me 👍 on ST and on multitarget so I just roll with my girl
obtuse marsh
@odd verge casting fleshcraft while moving 
thorny wing
Kleia Sims higher for me 👍 on ST and on multitarget so I just roll with my girl
Well, dmg is not my highest prio bro on 19+ keys^^
nocturne steeple
fml
strong forum
Why not
ionic fern
Well, dmg is not my highest prio bro on 19+ keys^^
It's not that big of a change from survivability pov tbh
strong forum
Yeah conduits and soulbinds have an irrelevant amount of power behind them for us
Like teensy tiny power
swift ingot
what if I wanted to multi-spec as fury what would be best cov for prot and fury
mossy peak
nf
strong forum
Playing better and coordination with your group is the biggest and only relevant survival gain for keys
Besides ilvl
thorny wing
Which last COnduit Slot u takt for Kleia? Prolly the endurance one right? gives us some crit
strong forum
Ye
odd verge
<@315854213395513346> casting fleshcraft while moving <:peepoBlush:8183238793155...
Kinda stuck with with Emeni and the route if wanna move and channel fleshcraft.. 😦
strong forum
Kleia is only good cuz of the crit
thorny wing
In general you shouldn't have any issues with Show of Force on those levels .
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Ye, prolly the show of force thing gives us good dmg in the overall dungeon. Can i track it somehow how much dmg that thing deals? would be really cool to see
ionic fern
Ye, prolly the show of force thing gives us good dmg in the overall dungeon. Can...
TC hits like a noodle tho. It just makes it hit like less of a noodle.
thorny wing
Ye, thats my point 😄
ionic fern
On ST it's ~1% DPS increase.
On AoE(5 targets) it's around 2-3%
Just finished implementing it in SIMC yesterday so both this and Unnerving should be in soon.
strong forum
TC is like 6-7% of your dmg in total
obtuse marsh
@odd verge i really like emeni, on big pull i generate aggro and if i dont have big cd up just fleshcraft and dodge shit on ground, poggers
strong forum
Buffing that by 20% is not really huge
night wadi
why is it in Mythics when i get a 5% fort buff my hp jumps to 70k+
but in bg not?
214 ilvl
wild sandal
im trying to find the best soulbind for prot as venthyr, but im sturggling like all of them seem good, any advice what would be best, i like the haste from nadija but theotar has good ones at the end of his tree
strong forum
why is it in Mythics when i get a 5% fort buff my hp jumps to 70k+
Maybe different soulbinds/gearsets
brittle owl
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