Classes this expansion feel broken for some of them, and the affix and tanking in general don't feel fun.
#protection
sacred roost
fringe marten
Ikari, I was 100% ok with it when I first saw SL changes. I thought "ohh ok, going back to a standard..pulling 1 pack at a time, simple dungeon crawl...mobs are more nasty? that's fine no biggie"
uneven mason
and you'd see the highest completed keys drop down to where facetanking was the majority of it.
sacred roost
you really have NO control, honestly. Probably why bliz lost like, what, 45% of the player base so far.
fringe marten
Then we go live and it's "OH but there's a couple classes...sooooo..you just run around and let them blow it all up"
uneven mason
you really have NO control, honestly. Probably why bliz lost like, what, 45% of ...
That's just standard expansion cycling
only WoTLK maintained the majority of people who came in for most of the Xpac
sacred roost
they say that, but this is actually the most they've lost this early in awhile.
signal plover
I have used my skills as a great arteest to enhance your wise image
heavy sail
M+ as an end-game gameplay loop is also just uninteresting and unengaging in general for most of the playerbase
sweet summit
very nice, paw
uneven mason
You also had a global pandemic creating a massive surge in gaming
heavy sail
From a game design perspective, they haven’t done much to make people stay.
uneven mason
which has started dying down
fringe marten
Yeah true; it doesn't matter HOW good an expac is. A HUGE amount of people come back, play with their friends/family/alone/whatever...get their 'fun' hit whatever point they feel is too grindy, too hard..or too boring and quit.
heavy sail
WoW has followed a boom and bust curve for a while now, it’s just more extreme this time for the exact reason Ikari mentioned.
mossy sluice
our guild got such a surge of new players in nyalotha when the pandemic started
sacred roost
I guess, I'm kinda waiting on New World, got like, what since beta in this game, and I'm getting kinda sick of it, not really having fun anymore.
can't seem to stop playing htough
fringe marten
I'm still actively playing but I took 2 weeks off essentially, and was raid logging only..to play valheim.
heavy sail
There’s no MMO that hits the same spot as WoW, nothing so far anyway. I’m hoping ashes of creation amounts to something but not holding my breath for it.
fringe marten
Everyone that touched new world really liked it; understanding that it was of course unpolished and had plenty of time left in the oven.
sacred roost
I could go play FFXIV, neither of my guilds are really going for mythic raid tier, and I have AOTC.
signal plover
Ya ashes is rly the only one left on my radar.
sacred roost
Pantheon _ Rise of the Fallen is the other on mine.
signal plover
Everyone that touched new world really liked it; understanding that it was of co...
I guess maybe I'm behind on new world news but they've reworked their systems a few times over now.
sacred roost
if it ever comes out, ashes seems like it's gonna be to PVP focus'd
heavy sail
New world is interesting but I wasn’t captivated at all by what I’ve seen from it. Seems like a run of the mill MMO that will die from content drought.
Like they set themselves up for unsustainability
sacred roost
there remaking the system due to customer requests though, so might work out.
uneven mason
I guess, I'm kinda waiting on New World, got like, what since beta in this game,...
New World - legit a Smedly Project, I'd soon invest in used toilet paper futures than in the idea that game will be worth playing
signal plover
The thing is, wow is a good game
fringe marten
And what you're saying about M+ has always been true; and blizzard THEMSELVES killed the thing that made it even considerable as an end game loop..IE the quality of loot. The people left doing it, literally do it like...mostly for the vault, and then a VERY small portion of people left using a third party website/addon to turn it into a high end personal challenge.
heavy sail
People interact with MMO games way differently in 2021 than they did back when the genre was new.
signal plover
It's not tho
uneven mason
We just play it because we're all masochists
jolly thistle
It’s still the best mmo available
heavy sail
WoW is the standard, but it’s a pretty bad standard to be honest. Blizzard treats the game more often like a pump and dump than a passion project.
signal plover
It's excellent, M raiding is fun, m+ and pvp with my guildies is fun.
heavy sail
You can tell they’ve lost the love for it over the years.
fringe marten
No; wow is ..? a very good mmo..the problem is MMO's have evolved, what people want has evolved..how companies provide their business model for an MMO has evolved..etc.
signal plover
It's certainly different now than it was in vanilla
amber herald
I have used my skills as a great arteest to enhance your wise image
menace?
signal plover
No
fringe marten
But there's still a big chunk of mmo players chasing a dragon; one they will never get back. The "omg I feel like I can play it forever..it'll never end.."
uneven mason
WoW is the standard, but it’s a pretty bad standard to be honest. Blizzard treat...
But its not a bad standard, its a super expansivegame which gives you a solid amount of grind/content to complete and hten keeps new content rolling out.
They've also mastered "reinventing the wheel" every Xpac, making just enough changes to classes so nothing gets stagnant.
jolly thistle
I’ve tried a lot of them... warhammer, gw, swtor etc most of them failed at the endgame
heavy sail
Like if we’re content saying WoW is very good and couldn’t be made way better, we’re definitely settling for a sub-par product imo.
But that’s just my perspective.
uneven mason
Warhammer endgame was 100% PVP< the PVE stuff wasn't there at all.
SWTOR endgame was a single raid and incentiveless PVP
Failed massively
signal plover
Saying something is very good is not the same as saying it can't be improved
fringe marten
If you're in your 20 sometthings. Hell your 30's even..and you started wow when you were a teenager, or just hitting 20'ish and it was your first mmo. You literally aren't the same person you were then, you will never EVER EVER get the same feeling you had playing it back then.
and you won't get it from ANY other mmo EVER either.
uneven mason
If you're in your 20 sometthings. Hell your 30's even..and you started wow when...
🧓
I was already old and bitter 25 year old when WoW hit my desk
soft lotus
some people say they've felt that way again after breaks. So your claim is just a claim
fringe marten
But companies keep trying to build a better mousetrap, because we keep coming back HOPING to chase that feeling again. You have honeymoon phase..the game is awesome/fun for X amount of time; and then it's done.
uneven mason
I had been through 5 years of Everquest already and wow just looked like clownshoes loot on rails
heavy sail
Idk, OSRS has a way of captivating me the same way it did back in 2004 whenever I load it up. That’s probably more to do with the visuals not changing though.
signal plover
Breaks help, breaking out of the community slogfest and complaint circlejerks helps a lot as well.
uneven mason
Breaks help, breaking out of the community slogfest and complaint circlejerks he...
This, is why I almsot always skip the *.2 patches
heavy sail
Shadowlands is in almost every facet an improvement over BfA, so I’ll just be content with that.
fringe marten
Same..I've been doing mmo's since they've existed, literally. For me..it's Everquest. It was the greatest video game I've ever played, and ever will play in my life..period. Nothing will ever be as addictive, as all consuming as EQ was..ever again.
heavy sail
But at this stage before the next tier releases, I have almost no reason to ever log in.
signal plover
Mwahi the Wise says "it's a game, play how you want to"
uneven mason
Shadowlands is in almost every facet an improvement over BfA, so I’ll just be co...
Then again, cleaning your floor is an improvement over a pile of dogvomit so, low bar and all that.
jolly thistle
What do you expect? There’s a reason why it’s called gaming >industry<. They want to make money out of it. Blizz isn’t some smol indie company even if they act like one sometimes.
heavy sail
Idk I kind of disagree with that notion
If blizzard wanted to make the most money possible they’d just continually service fans.
But they don’t do that
uneven mason
Erm
heavy sail
They go whale hunting
mossy sluice
wat
sacred roost
I have no space for more buttons! 🙂
uneven mason
"I don't think they're out to just make money"
fringe marten
It's funny, looking back at Everquest.. I sat in Guk..6, 10+ hours..way more than that..PER DAY. as an ogre warrior..pulling frogs then hitting ONE button to start auto attack, and ONE button to 'slam' (or kick, or bash if you were a smaller race) that was IT. that was the ENTIRE gameplay
sacred roost
who? blizzard? bullshit
fringe marten
pushing up a yellow/orange xp bar...tiny tiny TINY amounts at a time.
heavy sail
They’re definitely out to make money, but they’re not maximizing profit in a way that’s sustainable or even optimal imo.
fringe marten
and I LOVED it, had way more fun than anything wow has ever had.
sacred roost
sunwell was pretty fun
uneven mason
and I LOVED it, had way more fun than anything wow has ever had.
I hated ogres in guk, fat fuck.
fringe marten
DUDE that's why you got the dark elf skin mask bro..so you could cast the illusion and shrink yourself~
uneven mason
"TRAIN INc....crap theres a shaman trying to get through Deadside, GUESS WE'LL ALL DIE THEN!"
soft lotus
feel like there was a time around 2001-2004 where "spending your life online" was a thing everybody (edit: many/some) expected to be the future. Like second life.
That idea has disappeared almost completely. Maybe due to smartphones?
uneven mason
Or just be Darkelf master race to begin with
fringe marten
But yes; until I got that mask...I literally b locked hallways.
signal plover
I mean, it says a lot about a personal mindset when you convince yourself that clicking three buttons is more fun than mythic Sludgefist.
uneven mason
feel like there was a time around 2001-2004 where "spending your life online" wa...
I started EQ in 99, way ahead of that curve
uneven mason
I mean, it says a lot about a personal mindset when you convince yourself that c...
Nostalgia/simpler times
sacred roost
I remember I was in Kunark on an iksar monk when the twin towers got hit.
uneven mason
I still go back to EQ TLPs because its like, zen meditation for me
fringe marten
Trixter, there's tons of reasons for it. But yeah..that was the idea of the MMO; it never ended..you never 'won' you were chasing shit forever, and building that character...forever.. When they launched Everquest they had ? No concept of when the game would 'end' or servers would shut down..or how they'd even ? move forward other than..more content and expansions. But you kept growing THE SAME character with the same stats/abilities.
uneven mason
that gamplay is 100% muscle memory and I can just chill and chat with people.
signal plover
Just more overall positivity in communities as well
uneven mason
You obviously didn't play on Fennin Ro
signal plover
And the world as a whole
fringe marten
Yeah my account is still there but it's owned by? isn't it owned by the company that owns like..? PUBG?
or something?
mossy sluice
daybreak
signal plover
Kekbreak
fringe marten
I went back and played like...? a year or two ago..for a couple months.
uneven mason
Yeah my account is still there but it's owned by? isn't it owned by the company ...
Darkpaw Games
fringe marten
had like? 8000 AA points or some shit LOL
uneven mason
just got sold to some other company
soft lotus
Trixter, there's tons of reasons for it. But yeah..that was the idea of the MMO...
yeah. And I feel like the world has grown away from that idea. It's no longer attractive. I think that relates to the way wow has evolved.
sacred roost
the rumor is daybreak is comming out with a nother EQ, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
uneven mason
had like? 8000 AA points or some shit LOL
a friend played my original warrior for years after I quit, has like 27000 or something goofy now
sacred roost
no, it's after they split, it's not eq nextr
signal plover
the rumor is daybreak is comming out with a nother EQ, but I wouldn't hold my br...
EQN...N?
uneven mason
Daybreak sold Darkpaw
fringe marten
Still though, to this DAY... AA points are the best character progression system I've ever seen in an mmo; and I wish it was a thing still.
uneven mason
or something
mossy sluice
i fucking despised AA's
uneven mason
Still though, to this DAY... AA points are the best character progression system...
Grindgrindgrind
mossy sluice
luclin was so shit coming off of velious
uneven mason
AA points were the "loot treadmill" of a game that had restricted access to loot
fringe marten
I say...that I want it back; but at this age now, the way games just ARE now? I'd probably hate it.
Dude no AA points were amazing.
uneven mason
I hate it every TLP, I last until AAs get out of hand in DoDH
heavy sail
MMOs are cost-prohibitive, and the development time is so long and expensive that it just doesn’t meet the curve that people expect in today’s age. Like I was saying earlier it’s the kind of boom and bust we see now.
fringe marten
Your character grew in strength, just by playing..all the time..killing mobs. That's what ya' do~ kill stuff.
heavy sail
Where a new expansion or content release sees huge expansion and then an immediate and steep fall off.
uneven mason
Playerauctions blog?
I wouldn't even count on that to be remotely factual
Hell, I hardly trusted that site to sell my accounts
heavy sail
I sold my RS3 main on that site 
fringe marten
And the idea of contested bosses, with the best loot AMAZING. But? I don't think I could stomach it any more.
heavy sail
For like 350 USD
uneven mason
65 Time geared necro $2500 during GoD
bought my ass a new computer to play EQ2 on (ended up being WoW)
fringe marten
But the idea of a raid zone being an elemental plane, and it being ...super hard, and the boss just shits in your face; because you simply have to gear up..and grind up..2000 AA points, or you will just get dookied on. Is fine by me.
heavy sail
I used the money to buy a new graphics card, was dope.
fringe marten
They didn't give a shit how hard the content was; they never built it for 'everyone' to experience.
uneven mason
But the idea of a raid zone being an elemental plane, and it being ...super hard...
EP bosses were single groupable when PoP first came out
fringe marten
Yeah but the older content wasn't.
uneven mason
legit 2 enchanters 2 clerics a ranger and a necro got first clear in PoFire on Fennin Ro 😄
mossy sluice
aa farm was just me afking in a party while two warriors w/ the eq weapon in plane of fire farmed aa's for me
fringe marten
Lord nagafen, Lady Vox...at EQ launch. Were LEGIT mythic creatures. People weren't sure they were in the game
uneven mason
I mean, you could walk up a ramp and see Naggy
mossy sluice
vox wasn't that deep into permafrost either
fringe marten
ANd when people killed them, they were bind rushing..naked..throwing themselves at a dragon to kill it.. like..80 people+
soft lotus
online databases changed a lot about the conversation of games
mossy sluice
think i found her on a like level 13
uneven mason
you could see through the walls by ducking on short races
fringe marten
Right; but where were you talking about that? locally IN game
uneven mason
Vox was literally through a room with 5 level 25~ goblins, and just poking your head into a cubby
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fringe marten
or MAYBE posting on Allakhazam if you were trying to help the community.
uneven mason
Anyway #protection
fringe marten
Early internet; different time..different everything. So a game so simple it was legit running around and then pushing 1 button to fight...was a ton of fun.
uneven mason
yup, big 3d version of D&D
fringe marten
And casters..? Looking at a book to get your mana back..literally.
like..WHAT?
the concept of that now is insane.
soft lotus
i remember concerned confusion the first time I had to control a game with wasd instead of arrow keys
fringe marten
"how do you play a caster in Everquest?" "you cast a spell..a bunch of times" "cool..then what?" "then you sit, and a book fills your screen and you do nothing" "then what" "that's the game..you're doing it"
uneven mason
i remember concerned confusion the first time I had to control a game with wasd ...
Halflife
uneven mason
think I'ma play some blackmesa when I get home
fringe marten
Clerics..best healers in game? What did they do? Complete heal chain..."casting Cheal...Next player in 8 seconds.." "/sit"
^ literally raiding in everquest.
fringe marten
whoah whoah...that's WAY too advanced.
fringe marten
yup lol
soft lotus
reminds me of the way CTraid in early wow communicated with other CTraid addons
fringe marten
The idea even, of a mob that hits more than 1 person at a time. ANY mob that did that, was a raid boss. only raid bosses did it.
uneven mason
most difficult tanking mechanic - setting up Rampage lists
nix that, most difficult tanking mechanic - mobs being pushed by dozens of pets
uneven mason
Kunark had flurry/rampage
fringe marten
Yeah kunark was it..ok so 1 xpac in.
uneven mason
VP
sick sentinel
Still though, to this DAY... AA points are the best character progression system...
I don't see how eternal exp grinding was any kind of "best"
fringe marten
Takamura; it was a different time as I said. However; it's because it gave (at the time) the concept of INFINITE character growth. Without equipment.
signal plover
I don't see how eternal exp grinding was any kind of "best"
Let the boomers reminisce
fringe marten
AA points were true character power, and at the time..maxing them was? not even a thing you were considering ever would happen.
uneven mason
AAs were cancer past PoP
OoW hit and I was like "Oh I legit need to spend 400% the time on this 'alternate' system than I did actually getting my 5 levels"
fringe marten
WoW has never had anything comparable, in a very small way you might make a parallel to azerite necklace power, or the legion artifact power...maybe?
uneven mason
WoW has never had anything comparable, in a very small way you might make a para...
WoW's AAs are legit the loot treadmill
SO, yeah, it kinda does
its incremental growth in character power, thye just did it better than Everquests "Sit here for 14 hours and kill the same 27 mobs repeatedly"
You could make hte argument that any sort of currency that allows you to control character growth is on par with AA systems
fringe marten
If WoW had anything like AA points, it would be ? patched out of the game..or made purchasable at a faction vendor or something. Because sweaty's would grind SO hard, no one else could possibly compete in ANY way. it would shatter PVP, competitive raiding..M+..etc.
uneven mason
like, Valor?
Not any more than minmaxing loot
But again, I need to stop giving in 😛
#protection
balmy coral
I have the following trinkets, which should I use for mythic+ and raiding.
213 glutt
200 Al'ar
207 bladedancer
197 anima field
220 power crystal
213 macabre
uneven mason
Anima field and powercrystal?
fringe marten
It is though. There's a lottery system to that, and you will only get it so fast..and every tuesday even the casuals have a shot at an item of the same strength you have. AA's are pure linear Time = Power..and the grinds some players would find a way to do in WoW would be DISGUSTING.
balmy coral
Right now I'm running glutt and Al'ar for mythic+, debating what to run for raids.
fringe marten
Glut/field for raid...or Glut/power
signal plover
Guys it's ok to admit that a modern game is different than something you did 30 years ago. It won't marginalize your past achievements.
fringe marten
no, and the 213 is 'eh' the 226 actually is very good.
It's not about marginalizing them; it's about why they just can't have that system again.
signal plover
Who cares
uneven mason
It was a bad system, is why they don't want that system.
balmy coral
I feel like glut for raid is pointless, as it does so little damage
uneven mason
Right, so use AFE
balmy coral
197 field > 213 macabre?
fringe marten
Yeah; and you likely don't 'need' the healing in raid near as much..
uneven mason
just vendor it
balmy coral
It sims higher for me for fury
uneven mason
its a trap
balmy coral
Why?
uneven mason
because the ghosts can (and will frequently) spawn outside of melee range
fringe marten
Macabre is not a trap; it simply has the same problems other things do; like reprisal... (to a lesser degree) Do you wanna go through the work/irritation of DOING the thing to make it work.
balmy coral
So for single target/raids use Al'ar and anima or power crystal.
fringe marten
Macabre is much worse though; because now you're moving a boss in raid...for your haste.
uneven mason
Al'ar is if you don't trust your healers
balmy coral
I love reprisal, I intervene melee a ton.
balmy coral
So for raids I can see that.
fringe marten
I am still Kyrian/Pelagos...and I FKN HATE IT on sludgefist right now. On the pillar charges I'm waiting until the chain on us breaks for a few seconds so I can collect my FKN ORBS.
and during normal phases I'm having to seperate from cotank to collect them; usually not an issue but sometimes is.
rigid edge
Reprisal is the best for raiding too? Hmmm
fringe marten
Almost all "spawns a thing near you, collect it for powerup" are irritating/problematic as a tank or dps to use.
The best one they've ever made IMO was the goblet of ichor in emerald nightmare. The globs moved TO YOU
balmy coral
It's rare I can't charge a fee times in a raid. Especially like sludgefist it's amazing for. Also intervene your tank if they are getting low.
mossy sluice
you intervene your co tank on sludge your health may be an issue
fringe marten
So he's not wrong in saying macabre is a trap; it's honestly a very powerful trinket but you will constantly run into annoying moments where utilizing it is either difficult, or impossible without honestly sacrificing the integrity of the combat encounter for it.
plush tendon
So sad the guy who writes the wowhead guy changed Necrolord from 'excellent' to just 'good' now 😦
mossy sluice
was it llarold
plush tendon
Waiving my slightly sadder banner now
mossy sluice
the snitch
balmy coral
I run necro anyway, it's really fun for fury.
amber herald
did they nerf it?
plush tendon
no
fringe marten
Just to try it, and have fun with something new..and maybe find utility in it; I'd go necrolord if the swapping covenants wasn't a dumpster fire.
fossil sparrow
I swapped to necro 3days ago
it's not bad, but yeah swapping covs is ass
it blows my mind how covenants got through alpha
but if this was my main, I wouldnt of swapped
plush tendon
The only scenario I see myself swapping away from Necro is if I switch my DK to Necro, my paladin to Venthyr, and my War to NF
fossil sparrow
that's the other issue, I have 4 60s, 1 of each cov
fringe marten
No it's good, all the covenants right now ..for prot warrior are? solid choices for various reasons in various situations. With Venthyr probably being the worst where other covenants PURELY for prot warrior are better in most every way, in most situations.
fossil sparrow
by the time shadowlands ends most classes will have better covensnts
whether it be 9.1, 9.2 or 9.3
plush tendon
How does everyone feel about the ToP and Plaguefall dungeon buffs now?
fossil sparrow
it's shortsighted shit from blizzard, as per
fringe marten
oh LOL? buffing dungeons now?
plush tendon
no I mean the 3 banners in ToP or the buffs from slime in Plaguefall
uneven mason
The necrolord buffs in ToP
balmy coral
I like necro, channel flesh craft with another CD up is nice.
uneven mason
they're pretty hot
balmy coral
I channel flesh craft a fair bit for not attacking damage
uneven mason
I'd swap if I wasn't addicted to my powdery glitter blue explosion
fringe marten
Jesus blizz "we notice that a high % of keys in these dungeons don't get completed...we're addressing that" "you guys are completing these dungeons now, nice...now we're addressing that" ?! BRUH?
plush tendon
Jesus blizz "we notice that a high % of keys in these dungeons don't get complet...
Im talking about the Cov bonuses, not dungeon difficulty
uneven mason
altho fuck those roc in pf
fringe marten
ok; I honestly didn't even put it past blizz..not even for ONE second.
fossil sparrow
what'st he goto talent setup, idk what I'm doing for m+
plush tendon
what'st he goto talent setup, idk what I'm doing for m+
Roll a 3 sided die and whatever it lanes on is what you should run
😛
uneven mason
oof
mossy sluice
uneven mason
3 1/2 2 2 3 1
plush tendon
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/8224811630160...
if you want to be boring, but yea, thats probably the best XD
sudden kayak
witch legendary should we wear for prot for mythic dungeons
uneven mason
reprisal
plush tendon
Reprisal or The Wall
uneven mason
The wall, now who's being boring
plush tendon
Hey man, its a option
I run reprisal, but The Wall is a alternative should you prefer it
uneven mason
Seismic if you wanna make your DPS cry
plush tendon
Now thats a spicey option
plush tendon
I do wonder if theyll add more legos to the pool
plush tendon
yea, thats what im hoping they dont do
plush tendon
The best way to do it is with 1-2 other people
uneven mason
it used to be a challenge when I was in like, 180 gear
almost
Why would I punish myself by doing it with a group?
plush tendon
Well, I have friends so we do it together
uneven mason
when I can finish it in 30minutes by just trucking from entrance to exit
uneven mason
I have friends too, and they can learn how to ignore anima powers and kill bosses like I do
plush tendon
makes it less boring, and they easily pull their weight
naw, I like getting powers
but i usually dont go out of my way for them
uneven mason
"temporary power boost, its like a new expansion hits every time you finish!"
plush tendon
: ^)
uneven mason
ever since they started placing "lore" reasons on borrowed power they've gotten out of control
In Legion we had super cosmic artifact weapons
which got drained, and we were sad
then it was the blood of the planet, OH and then the blood of an old god
layered borrowed power MY FAVORITE TYPE, Like Neapolitan icecream.
plush tendon
I miss the glory days of corruption and my full vers set 🙂
rigid edge
Meanwhile, Sylvannas does evil stuff
uneven mason
I mean, we've learned right? Don't go directly for the big bad, cut their source of power first.
celest field
Btw what covenants are BiS for tanking M+?
uneven mason
yes?
rigid edge
Borrrowed Powers Are so boring imo
uneven mason
Borrrowed Powers Are so boring imo
Why I'm glad prot is pretty stronk without any additional
my new warrior is going to not pick a covenant
mystic ember
Btw what covenants are BiS for tanking M+?
They all have their merits. Choose one you like best.
plush tendon
Btw what covenants are BiS for tanking M+?
NF for fairy pumpers, Necrolord for the simps, Kyrian for the unimaginative, Venythr for the dungeon buffs
uneven mason
NF is big 
mossy sluice
theyre all good
balmy coral
220 power crystal and 197 anima field is my best choice right? Or as a tank for raids should I swap out power crystal for macabre?
plush tendon
they are all strong; The only reason I didnt go NF was the Necrolord Tmog on point, and dungeon buffs (I also dont like Ardenweald and like Maldraxxus cause I'm edgy like that)
uneven mason
no
uneven mason
220 power crystal and 197 anima field is my best choice right? Or as a tank for ...
vendor macabre
keep power crystal and AFE
stable kernel
NF is just not me so its Necro/Kyr
uneven mason
they are all strong; The only reason I didnt go NF was the Necrolord Tmog on poi...
Yeah, like the Manowar in me wants to go Necrolord
but I'm so addicted to 
balmy coral
You really hate macabre lol
plush tendon
Reskin Ancient Aftershock for Necrolord and no one is a fairy
uneven mason
that trinket is ass
plush tendon
its bad
uneven mason
Reskin Ancient Aftershock for Necrolord and no one is a fairy
could rename it God Stomp and have our character throw up the devils horns when we do it.
balmy coral
What about bladedancer.
mossy sluice
even worse
plush tendon
could rename it God Stomp and have our character throw up the devils horns when ...
I was actually thinking they should have just given us Xav the Unfallen slam abilities as our Cov one
balmy coral
So bank it?
balmy coral
Equip it for mythic sire? Got it!
uneven mason
if you want
plush tendon
Go to Dazar Alor to the scrapper, scrap it for Explosum, then vender that explosum
uneven mason
trinkets all in all are quite sad
it won't make or break you
but if you can wear it for MSire
do so
and meme the crap out of it.
uneven mason
Go to Dazar Alor to the scrapper, scrap it for Explosum, then vender that explos...
does that legit work?
I mean, I don't think so
plush tendon
Not sure
uneven mason
but if I can scrap stuff for bits in BFA
plush tendon
But its probably the best place to bring that trinket
uneven mason
Best place to bring that trinket is just Shift click when you loot SD chests and if the trinket is in there, leave it, and let it rot for 30 days in your mailbox
balmy coral
I had a 210 blood-spattered scale drop. Vendored that shit soo fast. Was hoping for an quantum device.
plush tendon
I had a 210 blood-spattered scale drop. Vendored that shit soo fast. Was hoping...
Why would you do that 😭
uneven mason
He's obviously joking
balmy coral
It's useless?
balmy coral
He's obviously joking
Shhh
mystic ocean
When looking at trinkets for m+, do you guys just go for dmg after getting a scale? Feeling pretty safe with reprisal now.
uneven mason
damage is the way to go yes.
wanton condor
I don't trust my healers so you'll rip my heart out of my cold unbeating chest
plush tendon
Yea, tank trinkets are quite bad overall. I will say Alar still has a place should you feel the need or are pushing content you arent comfortable with; but it shouldnt be the go to for content you know you can do
uneven mason
it'll explode probably taking 2 of your DPS with you
but yeah alar comes out when I PUG
mossy sluice
ride together die together
plush tendon
This is why i love Necrolord; sitting in my cheat for 10 seconds letting my whole group know that I died
of course, they never believe me.... but sometimes the shaman/druid listens and is ready to drop the trees/stone boi down
uneven mason
THen you have tanks who use dreamweaver
mystic ocean
I just flat out leave high keys when the druids dont have trees skilled
plush tendon
I dont even understand that one
uneven mason
legit facepalmed when I saw a guardian druid go into his little seedpod
plush tendon
LEL
plush tendon
Trees are a DPS gain
wanton condor
Podtender is the best, you get to sit there are let the healer truly understand the weight of their fuck ups
fossil sparrow
no they're not
mystic ocean
i dont NEED trees
plush tendon
for you they are
mystic ocean
its just running away then
wanton condor
YOU DID THIS NOW SUFFER
uneven mason
Trees are professional play
plush tendon
If the content is EZ, I dont ask for trees.
fossil sparrow
for the 100times I've said this playing boomkin, trees are optional
just like a prot warrior is for a "serious" tank
mossy sluice
wat
plush tendon
But they are incredibly strong no matter what tank is being played
uneven mason
my perfect group is 4boomkin in resto affinity and me tanking
mystic ocean
They give the tank the opportunity to do dmg themselves
sudden kayak
what stat do we put on reprisal feet legendary
uneven mason
haste/vers
plush tendon
what stat do we put on reprisal feet legendary
Haste+vers
mossy sluice
what stat do we put on reprisal feet legendary
you wanna make legs
sudden kayak
o kk
mossy sluice
225 
uneven mason
I made seismic at the same time
10ilvls on a lego isn't a big deal, as long as you have the lego
*deeply regrets upgrading wall to rank 4 just before reprisal changes went in
since I haven't touched TW in raid since
primal mauve
WHat do you guys think of Night Fae covenant for Prot warrior? I'd think I would like to be able to soulshape on my slow ass warrior
mossy sluice
all covs are good
mossy sluice
druid being slow?
uneven mason
Unless you're in feral affinity yeah
primal mauve
Yeah I understand Kyrian and Necro are top, but Night Fae tat far behind is?
uneven mason
even then
Necro not top
SpaceGhost didn't you literally ask this question like 5x over the past week?
pretty sure you've asked this like every day
primal mauve
No I have not
plush tendon
I would put NF=Kyrian>=Necro>Venthyr
fossil sparrow
it's been a slow 3days at the necrolord base, no other warriors
uneven mason
Necro is if you're a simp or have a concrete group that benefts from it
fossil sparrow
primal mauve
Yeah and I dont have aa grp
uneven mason
so, Kyrian or NF will feel better overall
primal mauve
Cool, plus I get to soulshape into a turtle
uneven mason
go Venthyr if you wanna be all emo and slap single target
pallid kraken
is heavy repercussions still bad compared to the other 2 options, even with reprisal?
primal mauve
I hate Revendrath though
plush tendon
yea, if you dont have a group, or dont play with a consistent group of people, then Necro is not worth
uneven mason
I mean, yeah, if turtles are your thing.
plush tendon
is heavy repercussions still bad compared to the other 2 options, even with repr...
Compared to Bolster + The Wall and AM + reprisal, it just doesnt offer enough value
uneven mason
HR is too RNG reliant to provide serious value
both AM and Bolster offer greater gains in RPS and damage
pallid kraken
Fairs
uneven mason
yeah HR is one of those talents they could make baseline for QoL
astral crystal
AM pls
mossy sluice
isn't hr worse w/ reprisal becuase the extra extended shield block uptime is less impactful
uneven mason
Yes
astral crystal
fury and arms have it 
plush tendon
hell, give us HR baseline, and bring back Glad Stance XD
uneven mason
Arms doesn't even use AM
heck fury doesn't either in most situations
No glad stance plz
astral crystal
listen here, i dont know about those damage dealing specs
pallid kraken
glad stance 👀
uneven mason
yeah, thats true (I had been doing it, just not thinking it)
pallid kraken
fury has garbage tier 50 talents right? except am
sturdy sable
So does arms If they are venthyr
uneven mason
ehhhhh
pallid kraken
thought arms love dreadnaught
uneven mason
SB and Reckless are not horrible
sweet summit
fury tier 50 are all good
sturdy sable
Venth arms runs rav to feed condemn windows
grave crane
Arms loves dreadnaught in pvp and ravaged in pve
plush tendon
I wonder if instead of extending SB by 1 sec, if HR reduced the CD of SB by 1 sec if it would be better
pallid kraken
ic ic ic
sturdy sable
Naw non venth arms uses dread @grave crane
uneven mason
Venth arms runs rav to feed condemn windows
Runs ravager so your Bladestorm doesn't eat into Condemn windows
sturdy sable
That's exactly what I said @uneven mason
uneven mason
feeding condemn and just not interrupt them are 2 diff things 😛
grave crane
I used dreadnuaght in pvp as venthyr and it worked great
uneven mason
yeah DN is the play in some content
grave crane
Because I used BS to immune CC
uneven mason
like M+ you don't use rav
sturdy sable
Here we go again splitting hairs
uneven mason
rav is for ST
sturdy sable
Dread for aoe
pallid kraken
DN also feels amazing, which is the true WoW endgame
uneven mason
No, thats not a technicality Dosqueis, that's literally saying 2 different things.
grave crane
I separated them for pvp and pve
primal mauve
Hey waht do you guys think of the Night Fae covenant for Prot?
mossy sluice
jesus christ
sturdy sable
👍
sweet summit
night fae is poggers
mossy sluice
uneven mason
Dude seriously
elfin nova
interesting
mossy sluice
wind surge
damnit
plush tendon
LEL
uneven mason
Shit or get off the pot
sweet summit
???
jagged pier
@mossy sluice the detective
primal mauve
Dude seriously
xD Just messing with you man
signal plover
Perhaps he thinks there's more than like a dozen of us in here
uneven mason
Perhaps he thinks there's more than like a dozen of us in here
LOL more than a dozen protwarriors
elfin nova
I might go venthyr
uneven mason
How else would I end up being #9 at something on my server
when theres only 10 of us
sturdy sable
No, thats not a technicality Dosqueis, that's literally saying 2 different thing...
So your telling me rav isn't cast during condem windows for rage gen then?
plush tendon
So your telling me rav isn't cast during condem windows for rage gen then?
Thats more of a arms questions
primal mauve
lol Ive asked about night fae cause I just saw a video on youtube which uploaded today. no way ive been asking for days
plush tendon
The only thing we concern ourselves over here with is how hard our revenge is hitting
sweet summit
night fae is very good damage
primal mauve
its not really revenge if it hits soft
signal plover
Huh
chilly brook
its not really revenge if it hits soft
Wat
uneven mason
Griff didn't you go Venthyr?
sweet summit
uneven mason
feels inconsequential
sweet summit
the mog isnt even good????????
chilly brook
Plus I got an enhance shaman so I'd be dumb to not play arms for certain bosses
uneven mason
weapons too
Ooo you have a simp to support you
carry on then
I can imagine Griff "Totem slave, place my Windfury 👉 there".
chilly brook
plush tendon
so where can I find one these 'totem specialists?'
sweet summit
ebay
plush tendon
ewww, no prime delivery
charred osprey
How does reprisal affect gearing in m+? Wasnt crit King couse u didnt have full uptime on Block. And now u do. Is vers=haste gonna be king now?
plush tendon
How does reprisal affect gearing in m+? Wasnt crit King couse u didnt have full ...
Its always been Haste-Vers
frosty estuary
crit was never king
plush tendon
Crit is for chad pumpers
charred osprey
I was sure it was couse thats what i read like 2months ago before i took break from warrior :p maybe i remembered wrong
But thx for clarifying ^^
chilly brook
Yea remembering wrong lol
faint plaza
for venth. which soul bind. nadjia?
strong forum
the mog isnt even good????????
This
sweet summit
for venth. which soul bind. nadjia?
nadjia is great yeah
uneven mason
This
I suppose its relative
Venthyr mog just FITs odd, like the "Wing" bits just protrude at stupid angles
sweet summit
you're not supposed to use the wings :/
hot oxide
i honestly dont understand how armor still clips when it's brand new
outer solstice
lol
have you tried gnome?
everything clips
shoulders are gigantic
and shields too close
hot oxide
i tried worgen with the venth rogue, i had no left shoulder
outer solstice
only the gigantic shields work for gnomes
red tree
Forget the sets, sinful glad set best set
outer solstice
so legendary shield and bulwark
yep sinful glad is amazing
but still ckips
clips
hot oxide
i tried mechagnome, it was....different...
outer solstice
lol mechagnome wear no pants
sweet summit
sinful glad is actually pretty fucking sick i really like it
hot oxide
if you dont have heritage mechagnome armor, just stop
outer solstice
gnome heritage armor is actually really sweet
uneven mason
Imagine playing alliance
outer solstice
imagine following meta xD
autumn pendant
sinful glad is actually pretty fucking sick i really like it
poggies
uneven mason
Feels like running around in a daycare over there
autumn pendant
Imagine imagining
uneven mason
imagine following meta xD
Been horde since 2004 back when alliance were OP
hot oxide
i'm both
outer solstice
2004 xD xD
outer solstice
back when the game was balanced
hot oxide
tbc was the first expac, and that was 05
hot oxide
07
outer solstice
man memory.... kill me plz
autumn pendant
Now you got it
hot oxide
January 16, 2007
outer solstice
but yeah faction imbalance wasn't a thing back then it was quite good and mostly dependant on the realm anyway
nowadays faction imbalance is a real problem
outer solstice
kick, torrent, kick, fear, kick, stun, kick .... yeah
uneven mason
TBC was 07~
we had no Xpacs for 2 years 3~ months basically
was crazy coming from other MMOs 6 month cycle
hot oxide
October 28–29 - BlizzCon 2005 (the first BlizzCon)
Burning Crusade announced
uneven mason
basically shut down a lot of raiding guilds prior to naxx
because people thought the Xpac was right around the corner
sad times
chilly brook
Let's be real
I think a lot of those raiding guilds wouldn't have gone anywhere back then
sweet summit
🤡
hasty heath
Is Viscera of Coalesced Hatred shitter than shit?
sweet summit
its not that shit but its quite shit
hasty heath
So it's half a shit ok
uneven mason
its a shart
sterile moss
I like how the mistweaver is talking
faint plaza
new to tanking, what addon do you use for routes? MDT?
sweet summit
yea
hasty heath
still farming the DoS trinket so i only have that / [Stone Legion Heraldry] and the Miasma one atm
hasty heath
new to tanking, what addon do you use for routes? MDT?
yeah mdt
sterile moss
outer solstice
yep
faint plaza
awesome, thanks alot. any prefernce to the rout with no skips v skips?
outer solstice
depends on the group
the skip routes are quite good often, but not every group can do them
for pugs I'd go with the no skip
but in dungeons like HoA that means you can't set up prides for 2nd and 3rd boss
faint plaza
hrmm, ok
i have KSM as dps. is it worth going skip routs considering that level of keys
outer solstice
usually when I run a 15+ with my guild we take the 5-10 minutes before the run
and talk over the route
faint plaza
itll be mostly pugs for me
outer solstice
skip routes are not that hard tbh, but I don't trust pugs
and only for things like HoA tyrannical I'd say it's a must
there you usually do 2 skips
you skip the bridge
and the first pack after the gauntlet
but after 2nd boss you clear the whole ring instead
outer solstice
also, I HATE PUGS
outer solstice
do yourself a favor, if you have the gear, don't go below 10ß
setting up pride properly is important
faint plaza
yeah i figured id try to find some 10-12s
im 221 in my prot gear
just feel nervous bout the routes so want to start small
uneven mason
routs change at 10
outer solstice
routes don't get harder though
uneven mason
routs literally don't matter below 10
you can basically RP walk through a dungeon spamming revenge in 9 and below
outer solstice
damn, just looked at our lady tries from last night.... haven't eaten a single ghost in our best try xD I was soooo not seeing some of them when the 3rd adds came up xD guess I got lucky xD
faint plaza
yeah thats why ill start at 10+ but i feel like if i went into a 15 wouldnt be good as im used to dpsing
outer solstice
anyone has some tips to see the ghosts during adds better?
uneven mason
anyone has some tips to see the ghosts during adds better?
sound
its directional iirc
uneven mason
srsly
outer solstice
*gasp
*puts headphones on
ty
will give it a try
how will they behave in terms of 1st ghost/2nd ghost?
spark ermine
also, ghosts targeting you are red.
uneven mason
so is literally fucking everything else in that room
outer solstice
I don't have problems seeing the ghosts themselves xD just when adds are up the same moment
uneven mason
Ghosts give me PTSD to mythic jadefire
signal plover
Get plater and have it color the nameplates of the ghosts a weird ass color
outer solstice
the ghosts can have plates?
uneven mason
Get plater and have it color the nameplates of the ghosts a weird ass color
nope
outer solstice
haha lol
signal plover
Shut up nerds
uneven mason
can't even target them can you?
outer solstice
*shuts up
signal plover
I thought u meant spiteful
outer solstice
nah we talkin lady
signal plover
Sound is best for those, or just an annoying WA
signal plover
It doesn't, it just tells you when to expect the strikes
uneven mason
Legit found out 2 of my raiders in Mythic Dazalor were keyboard turners due to Jadefire masters
outer solstice
I have some problems with the overlap just on the 3rd adds, as I get the cast just the moment after I pulled her between the adds
uneven mason
not looking forward to that again
signal plover
So when it pops you tell your smooth brain to track the drops rather than tunneling on the adds n other distractions
outer solstice
3rd adds (2nd adds if you skip firsts)
outer solstice
So when it pops you tell your smooth brain to track the drops rather than tunnel...
worked last night... but was sooo unreliable for my feeling, even though I didn't mess up
but gonna give the sound method a try
outer solstice
xD
signal plover
Deflect blame
mossy sluice
the angle you can turn towards them is pretty large as well
uneven mason
fiddle with your colorblind settings until it seperates the shades of red.
outer solstice
nah I help out our healers with SW
signal plover
Same thing
uneven mason
if you know you're going to get trucked because (bad) for a mechanic
SW is there for you.
outer solstice
our DPS are having some big problems dealign with the orbs ... and I don't wanna mess up the one good killshot we have
mossy sluice
watched our dh tank get 4 stacks and i hate having 2. tattoos
outer solstice
nah if you hold SW for when you mess up you're not playing to your ability
I prefer to use SW when a healers is running
signal plover
nah if you hold SW for when you mess up you're not playing to your ability
Obviously
uneven mason
nah if you hold SW for when you mess up you're not playing to your ability
If you reliably mess up at the same spot every time its rotational.
#logic
uneven mason
trust in the force luke
outer solstice
yeah she's dark xD
we got her to 10% just before the first double bounce
at 4:50 or so
uneven mason
o
uneven mason
CANT SOAK MUST TUNNEL DPS, THEY SAID IT WAS A DPS RACE, CAN"T SOAK, DPS LOSS!
uneven mason
And
if the orbs are up
like, oof, so like, that's what ya'll need to be quick on
figure out the long end
quick
true olive
Yeah you're still in wipe territory under 5% if your dps tunnels
uneven mason
Legit seen kills where the NL suit of armor is the only thing left standing
mossy sluice
that was our first kill
uneven mason
Lady D is in a league of her own
true olive
We killed her on pull 12 but reclear was frustrating af
uneven mason
We rockin with AM now with reprisal or still bolster?
yes AM
outer solstice
We killed her on pull 12 but reclear was frustrating af
lol can I plz has your group? xD xD
uneven mason
Why is it like, some bosses, my poor guild for example, killed our first HCArtificer in 3 pulls - continually wipes on him 3x for the next several weeks.
33 pulls on HC Council - legit one shot every time since our first kill.
chilly brook
we're like 50 pulls in
Could be worse we like 80 pulls in on council
outer solstice
Could be worse we like 80 pulls in on council
yeah but council looks like a way harder boss
uneven mason
I just think guilds trying to do Nek 3rd are just asking to be ass slapped
outer solstice
well I have 0 XP on council so far
some tries on artificer and I can see myself falling asleep on that one
uneven mason
it makes 0 sense to do him in that order with spending so much time dealing with his adds.
chilly brook
Eh
chilly brook
Higher guilds disagree
uneven mason
I guess
chilly brook
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
uneven mason
if you have pumpers DPS
mossy sluice
think you need pumpers w/ frieda last as well
uneven mason
I've had to accept that my DPS will never pump
outer solstice
yeah if you can beat the DPS check
chilly brook
It's just ass because you have to waste so much time getting to the last phase to actually prog
uneven mason
Frieda is the least pumpers intensive of the councilmembers
outer solstice
@uneven mason I think your still pump more than mine
outer solstice
haha same here...
elfin nova
they nerfed the fight and various adds multiple times though
uneven mason
We didn't kick them - they just happened to be the only 2 people left in the old guild that we all abandoned.
chilly brook
because Roster boss hardest boss.
Tell me about it, had 6 people call out on tuesday
elfin nova
i think not-niklaus last is not trolling anymore
chilly brook
i think not-niklaus last is not trolling anymore
They also nerfed the vanguards so idk
elfin nova
yea
uneven mason
yeah if the vanguard is nerfed than, probably just need non flipperhanded DPS
I'll findout in (2 weeks past when I get 20 people consistently)
elfin nova
i mean i still think niklaus last is the best but also there's no point changing it if you've already killed it
uneven mason
so February 30th
elfin nova
i think you just prog killing first vanguard in 100-50 phase now and the dps check is only really in the 50-0 push to kill before your tanks die
blazing condor
today i learned you can upgrade gear in your covenants too
signal plover
Nik last is actually a joke once your dps figures out it's a prio dps fight and not an aoe pad
chilly brook
Cuz some people dont understand mechanics still
Dark recital right as the vanguard drops
signal plover
Granted you need tanks that are somewhat competent, and a pally rly helps
uneven mason
always
astral crystal
if your guild likes council, they're gonna love SLG
chilly brook
We NeEd To GrOuP bAcK uP aNd FiGuRe OuT hOw To DeAl WiTh ThAt
chilly brook
Unironically doesn't know that you just need to group back up with the one person you're tethered to
plush tendon
We are on mythic sludge now; just got to wait while ions guild catches up so he can nerf it for himself 🙂
young oasis
Crazy fight
uneven mason
"If you love chewing glass, then you'll love this 👉 *shows a donkey dryhumping a cactus"
that close eonugh with Council to SLG?
astral crystal
accurate
sweet summit
council is not near as bad as slg imo
uneven mason
right
astral crystal
tanking is boring on both fights
signal plover
"ok guys everyone focus the goliath this time while 2 of us clean up skirmishers"....skirmishers die before goliath...k then
young oasis
Dunno, I like it
uneven mason
tanking hc slg is annoying, cant wait for mythic
astral crystal
i learned everything i needed to about slg in about 50 pulls, including the time it takes to get comfy with it
90% of that fight is DPS priority damaging and not dying to dumb shit
signal plover
I'm progging SLG with reprisal for funs
uneven mason
My DPS don't understand the concept of "Stop standing on the tanks plz"
"oh another laceration stack, thanks #DKwhoisoutofpositionagain"
astral crystal
i wouldn't be so mad at the fact that slg exists
if there weren't THREE 9-10 minute fights in the same tier
almost back to back
that's just goofy
uneven mason
Council - SLG - SIre
yeah its hard to make progress on the final phase when it takes you 6 minutes to get there.
at least you have Sludge in the middle there
which is easy to know when you're going to kill him or not
astral crystal
My DPS don't understand the concept of "Stop standing on the tanks plz"
solved that just running far out to the side during wicked blade, nobody gets hit ever
uneven mason
yeah no I Mean, there is a DK who stands in the wrong spot when not targeted by wicked blade
so it splashes everyone in melee
astral crystal
what a king
uneven mason
eh, we worked through it
primal mauve
So I've been thinking about switching covenants...
uneven mason
fixed it
subtle tulip
Howdy, whats the recommended talent build for mythics if you go with The Wall? Dont have the soul ash for reprisal.
uneven mason
run Bolster and BV
sweet summit
ocean bloom
naive panther
crackling is trash now that you fill with tc
opal sedge
Anger is fine with all legendary
naive panther
i swapped to bounding
elfin nova
tanking slg is honestly not that bad now
real grotto
0.5 convince anyone to switch covenants?
elfin nova
but the fight overall is pretty horrible to progress for the whole raid ofc
naive panther
been fae since start of expansion
distant furnace
I'm brand new to prot. Does ravager yield more dps than unstoppable force + anger mgmt. I feel like I have avatar up all the time and push tons of aoe dps rotating between tclap and revenge w/ best served cold. Some of those may not relate to each other, idk, just like theory crafting the aoe dps potential
outer solstice
I don't like UF
it's either itf or ravager for me
I often don't even have the time to Tclap with all the slam resets anyway xD
uneven mason
UF feels bad man
distant furnace
Gotcha. I'm a noob tank so maybe I'm not slamming everytime it resets lol thanks
uneven mason
To put it plainly, Revenge hits harder than TC even under UF buffing, TC eats up a ton of GCDs, which creates an opportunity cost, both in spending rage in Revenges ( which cycles Avatars CD faster) and the fact that you're missing out on free damage (ravager)
opal sedge
Easier to kit with ravager 2
outer solstice
it was from start of the expansion
opal sedge
U never pug
outer solstice
before some of the dangerous packs were nerfed
distant furnace
Makes sense. Thanks dudes
uneven mason
I mean, the 2 caster packs in DoS were the only 2 I ever felt I "Had" to kite
opal sedge
Hehe pretty much
outer solstice
why would you kite casters?
uneven mason
you LOS
outer solstice
yeah
uneven mason
hit SW/SR/DS slap damage into it for 5 seconds, and leap down stairs
onyx moon
just like so
uneven mason
YUP
atomic shore
what is the best covenant now for prot warriors guys ?
onyx moon
all around kyrian is still best
atomic shore
what is the bannar u are talking about right now ?
outer solstice
onyx moon
NECROBRO
uneven mason
what is the best covenant now for prot warriors guys ?
literally roll a D4
blazing condor
I personally play kyrian and like it
shy path
Wish Condemn didn’t suck so much
blazing condor
but NF is just as viable
night depot
I like heal phial aswell always handy as
atomic shore
k
onyx moon
Necrolord, kyrian, and Night Fae are all competative
uneven mason
Kyrian/NF are going to be solid in all situations
night depot
annoying since venth is best for off spec
onyx moon
necrolord is just harder to use as its more about powering up your party and have to cordinate CDs
outer solstice
enduring blow build that is
night depot
so annoying having an off spec though, changing conduits etc does my head in lol
outer solstice
that's why NF is so fun
Niya for prot raid
korayn for M+ fury
Podweaver for Arms PvP
night depot
makes sense i guess :p
uneven mason
why podweaver in PVP?
they can still kill you in that.
onyx moon
Emeni for prot and Maralyn for Arms pvp
outer solstice
yeah and if they don't you get a free life
outer solstice
if you run with a pally heal it is
uneven mason
like Niya, 12% (minimum) max HP and 10%ish mastery for 30s
chilly brook
why podweaver in PVP?
they can still kill you in that.
One more thing they have to deal with
And I think you can BoP the pod and stuff