generally
#protection
spice yacht
Ilvl Ilvl Ilvl Haste Verse everything else is what I have been doing
dark plover
sweet summit
you dont need to stack vers
spring umbra
banner + LBE sounds like it would be a nice nice boost all in one with emni
sweet summit
ye it is
plush tendon
Banner is cool; the lord is just tempting me with Ancient Aftershock right now
but I will hold strong
sweet summit
stay strong brodda
light thicket
Also a third healing item on its own cd is nothing to sneeze at
plush tendon
banner + LBE sounds like it would be a nice nice boost all in one with emni
Its a lot of strength you get, 15% from Emeni, 14% from the conduit, 400 mastery from banner
sweet summit
16% from conduit 😠
spring umbra
yea im still reading up. still need to get reprisal too
sweet summit
i do not recommend necrolord if youre pugging
spring umbra
ill dink around in heroics til i feel better with grabbing packs etc.
uneven mason
what ilvl are you?
spring umbra
180
obtuse prism
that @sweet summit post on logs deserves a pin I believe. am I allowed to suggest that?
plush tendon
Yea, screw herioc
plush tendon
just get in there, fail a bit if you must, but dont waste time in herioc
spring umbra
well i literally just switched from prot paly last night so im ironing out the muscle memory and getting used to the keybinds hahah dont want to break keys
plush tendon
^^^^
spring umbra
yea your probably right
uneven mason
heroic groups are the worst sort of cancer
until you hit +7-11
which includes the same sort of flipperhanded monkeys who can't interrupt
spring umbra
hahaha
obtuse prism
@ionic fern does this deserve a pin senpai?
plush tendon
Easy keys are also being carried right now because of valor
its the best time to get a 2 mists!
signal plover
Wouldn't that pin be better in #449510248579858432 ?
tired cove
does curse of weakness work on SLG ?
spring umbra
ill probably pvp tonight. i had just picked up a 131 green 1h/shield, get those beefed up
sweet summit
even sire denathrius
spring umbra
since my fury weapons wouldnt carry over
signal plover
Even Mudlump
uneven mason
lol
light thicket
Lul
light thicket
ill probably pvp tonight. i had just picked up a 131 green 1h/shield, get those ...
Never could crack arenas as prot
signal plover
Epic BG wins izzi conq
spice yacht
Any time I queue for epic BG its either half way over and my side is getting stomped or just started and getting stomped I can never seem to join an epic and win
light thicket
arms
I tried switching to fury last night
Had no idea what i was supposed to press
Worse with arms
frosty estuary
is there a way to time spell reflect on reaping scythe on the ToP last boss to get most of them?? or is just alternate??
vestal moat
You can never get all of them. So alternate is efficiently the best but you may wish to skip the first s o you have it for sure on the overlap with the grasping rift.
uneven mason
is there a way to time spell reflect on reaping scythe on the ToP last boss to g...
watch timer do it 1s early
dapper coral
You may get 2 in a row depending on queueing during her 50% transition, other than that you alternate
lavish oracle
I feel like fury is pretty straightforward
uneven mason
altho
she resets on transition now right?
so if your DPS is big push I'd sit on it for the 2nd one
spice yacht
What do you peeps do with Stigma of Pride in HOA at higher key levels that shit is wreaking me
uneven mason
rally cry when stacks start getting higher.
I Mean, its up to your DPS and healer to kill it 😛
lavish oracle
Make sure I have a cd open and pray
uneven mason
mostly the DPS
dapper coral
SR towards the end for more magic DR, call for external, IP, shield wall
spice yacht
okay it is pop cd and cry
dapper coral
As Necro, just Fleshcraft it 5head
lavish oracle
Dump all your rage into IP too
spice yacht
we did a 17 and my healer was shitting bricks
lavish oracle
Revenge is for people who aren't about to die
uneven mason
Dump all your rage into IP too
dump rage into revenge early on, kill that bitch
dense flame
light thicket
If you running boom voice use demoshout and dump the rage on IP
dapper coral
Its really the only rough mechanic besides the pillar drain and that only ever happens twice
light thicket
Or if you're feeling suicidal you can take ikarikaze's approach
spice yacht
we ended up using BoS and DP on top of my rally toward the end just to keep me up. was my first 17 in time
plush tendon
Stigma of Pride should be spell reflect-able... but since it isn't, its important to use defensive or get externals towards the end of the DoT duration. Ignore Pain only necessary towards the end
lavish oracle
Anyone else feel like the statue facing on that fight is really hard to read sometimes?
dapper coral
You can still use Reflect towards the end to mitigate the harder ticks
ember junco
Is prot warrior still very punishing?
spice yacht
You can still use Reflect towards the end to mitigate the harder ticks
I thought you couldnt
plush tendon
You can still use Reflect towards the end to mitigate the harder ticks
Yea, but its not the same as sending it back at her 😦
spice yacht
it didnt seem to reflec last night
dapper coral
SR gives 20% magic DR while its up
light thicket
Stigma of Pride should be spell reflect-able... but since it isn't, its importan...
Just like innerva's dot
spice yacht
but that could be my panic spamming of IP i just didnt notice
plush tendon
Just like innerva's dot
I should be able to reflect everything
light thicket
They shouldn't have removed it
plush tendon
If we cant reflect spells, at least give us a second option to mitagate some magic damage Blizz
plush tendon
Ignore Pain 😦
spice yacht
IP lol
lavish oracle
I mean, we have demo, SR, and wall, on top of IP
timber lagoon
Nah avoidance probably
jagged pier
whichever u like
blazing condor
cool
wooden spruce
bladedancer's armor kit is good or not?
ionic fern
light thicket
Honestly i didn't notice a big difference when running it
wooden spruce
<:literallytrash:752422340150820914>
thanks haha
median tulip
Guys. Viscera of Coalesced Hatred - any good?
jagged pier
🤷
orchid frigate
i like that nerftank has changed to orc on his warrior
gentle oak
I DID IT I TANKED THE SLUDGEFIST MYTHIC
mellow gorge
eyyy
light prairie
yeyyy
gentle oak
yeah mostly
dapper coral
The Hymnal from Bastion is amazing, even at 200 ilvl~
gentle oak
214 ilvl 😄
light thicket
Nice
mellow gorge
how the hell did you get in
light thicket
Wp
mellow gorge
i get rejected as 215 for a +13
gentle oak
it's my guild
gentle oak
yeah we lacked the shout, I was 224 DH tank
so I did a warrior in a fcking week
prot has much smoother damage intake
small marsh
FUCK I was looking at switching to NF but losing my owl bud is just a deal breaker
I forgot I would
tardy parcel
I DID IT I TANKED THE SLUDGEFIST MYTHIC
but did you get a shield???
gentle oak
yeah but it's not 220 😄 I didn;t get it from SLG so we went to xymox 😄
gentle trout
how oftne do you guys like to hit IP in keys? I feel like i hit it too much and i lose too much dmg from it
small marsh
Are you running Reprisal or Wall
sweet summit
how oftne do you guys like to hit IP in keys? I feel like i hit it too much and ...
if i feel like im gonna die i use it
small marsh
I hit IP a lot less now that my SB uptime is way higher
gentle trout
i use reprisal
small marsh
Yeah if shit hurts hit IP, your first job is don't die. I still manage to hammer revenge a ton
You might be overcapping on IP
cunning parcel
inner goblet
could everyone please grats me i got a new prot weapon
inner goblet
thnx
spice yacht
I still need to build reprisal, but working on EB for arms atm as we had some recent roster changes
spring mountain
17 mists, prot warrior is so pumper
sweet summit
💪
midnight jetty
how much shield block uptime should i have on council?
hoary belfry
Might sound like a stupid question, but how do we use reprisal on bosses to keep our mitigation up?
ebon hound
Should be looking at blocked hits% instead, 70% ish
mighty valley
Might sound like a stupid question, but how do we use reprisal on bosses to keep...
bosses are more about knowing where the gaps in auto attacks are and not wasting charges. other than that, the usual stuff - intercept melee, find times you can walk away and charge depending on boss
keep real DRs ready if there's gonna be a time when you just can't get SB up
just don't run the boss all over the place desperately trying to get a charge in
midnight jetty
Should be looking at blocked hits% instead, 70% ish
how do i check that?
ebon hound
Damage taken, click yourself, hover "melee"
distant furnace
Heroic leap out then charge back in works too if you don't need the leap for safety in the fight
midnight jetty
ok ty
dapper coral
how much shield block uptime should i have on council?
I had that same question because I swapped to my warrior for M Sludge then we recleared this week. Interestingly enough, they actually melee for peanuts (like 4 to 5k or so). The only damage they do that is scary are their special moves (Lunge and Riposte)
tired cove
What slot are you guys making reprasial on
sand condor
Legz
tired cove
I was thinking that lol
dapper coral
Legs unless you're killing M SLG
I guess what I'm saying @midnight jetty is that provided you have shield block up for all their special moves, anything past that is just gravy.
tired cove
I am but i'm not a main tank just tanking it this week
dapper coral
Well, if you can get the M SLG legs, boots are the better choice for Reprisal
For M Council you also need to keep in mind that when using the Nik last strategy (the most used one), Nik will chain Ripostes when he's the last one standing, meaning if you're the tank on him and not kiting the Stoneguard, you have to somewhat plan your CDs
midnight jetty
Yeah I just wanted to see uptime as im shit at reading logs. Had a few guildies meming about the uptime on it so just wanted to see what it was with other warrs using the wall
dapper coral
The fight is also kinda a shit one for face value uptime on SB, because of the dance
midnight jetty
yup but they disregard that
im talking about a clique of players that are "juicers"
dapper coral
Doing a few spot checks of M Council logs, it seems to be between 35 to 41% uptime
For the entirety of the fight
steep cradle
after doing 34 DoS runs with no scale i got it from an m0... :'d enter thanos meme for valor
wicked vault
thats gonna cost you a fortune
stuck oriole
ok after playing it the only legendary is reprisal
i dont care what the numbers say
its so much damn fun
north rampart
How are prot wars in rated battlegrounds?
stuck oriole
They're fun to fight with but you have to have the leap legendary or you're no good at the flag
dont play prot to play prot in RBGs
north rampart
Can we spin points well or win skirmishes or anything?
Heroic leap stunning looks funny but im worried about using up my teams diminishing returns
true cairn
the best covenant is Necrolord for us?
stuck oriole
Can we spin points well or win skirmishes or anything?
Not really arms is better at spinning points than we are. Really you're like fine at everything besides teamfighting. you reduce their whole teams damage by 20% and its really fun. but otherwise in rbgs prot is ok. its good enough to get to like 1600
north rampart
Ive seen DH and druid tank just be unkillable, i cant imagine prot doing that. Like what would I bring to the team.
stuck oriole
I play kyrian right now still seems really good, NerfTank on stream right now is timing 22s as kyrian with 209 ilvl
take that as you will
polar lagoon
Only way you are getting into an RBG where people actually care about CR is as arms
tranquil charm
Is anyone playing NF prot?
polar lagoon
I did until last week
stuck oriole
I did in the beginning of the expac
polar lagoon
Ancient aftershock is a string damage / cc ability
stuck oriole
Really really good in M+
polar lagoon
strong*
crisp basalt
Help, I can't decide, which is better for war protection: Kyrian or Necrolord?
tranquil charm
@polar lagoon Why did you swap?
polar lagoon
Kirian phial is just way too strong
stuck oriole
do you have a coordinated group or not? and do you plan on playing dps @crisp basalt
polar lagoon
Bleeds, necrotic, grevious, root on spear of bastion
crisp basalt
no i dont have team and i dont play dps, just tank
stuck oriole
Tbf the root on spear is pretty mediocre. Its like a bad binding shot. It certainly helps but its no nightfae
its good for snap agro
raven kernel
its very useful if you do alot of m+
there are quite a number of mobs in SL dungeons that like to jump away
stuck oriole
yeah but in comparison to NF
its very good dont get me wrong
I think if you're dwarf you can go NF but if not you should go kyrian
raven kernel
i kinda agree that spear on its own isnt as good as AA
raven kernel
but factor in phial and the need for a kyrian in m+ groups (where most dps arent kyrian)
and kyrian has more pluses
tranquil charm
i want to tank m+ but also dps m+ and maybe some PvP too... Can't decide which covenant :/
polar lagoon
Probably NF if you want to DPS as well
stuck oriole
Yeah thats fair its hard to find kyrian dps unless you're running with a pally or a rogue
polar lagoon
Very strong fury covenant
raven kernel
even pallies and rogues move away from kyrian now
venthyr pally is the meta
and rogues wanna go necro/venthyr now
stuck oriole
Thats right forgot about ashen slaps
If you are necro warr i think Ret pallies get biggest dps boost
raven kernel
yeah so its really hard to get the kyrian in your party from the non-tank now
stuck oriole
something like 5.97%
tranquil charm
@polar lagoon Yeah i heard NF is great for fury but then i heard Necro is great for Protection and Kyrian/Venthyr is used for Arms in Pvp 😄 everything different
stuck oriole
Its kinda awesome everything is good
but really sucks because i want everything for specific situations
polar lagoon
Necro is "great" for buffing you dps which requires cooridination that pugs don't have
stuck oriole
you need like 3 warriors now if you play all 3 specs
raven kernel
its annoying if u wanna play all specs of war in diff content
tranquil charm
But Night fae is probably best choice if its best covenant for Fury and for protection its decent?
polar lagoon
Kirian isn't horrible in pvp
if you are arms that is
It's not venth but it's not horrible
dapper coral
If you are necro warr i think Ret pallies get biggest dps boost
Nah. Its like #5 or 6 best. Boomies and Fire Mages best, followed by UDKs and Afflocks.
stuck oriole
Night fae is really good for prot if you're dwarf prob want kyrian if you dont want to have to sit in m+ on some weeks
wicked vault
i wish they made banner buff the entire party instead of just 2
raven kernel
Night fae is really good for prot if you're dwarf prob want kyrian if you dont w...
i went kyrian + dwarf kekw
chilly brook
Kirian phial is just way too strong
Kyrian phial is ok
stuck oriole
thats what i am right now rei lol
chilly brook
Too strong is hyperbolic
stuck oriole
i need to switch back to NF
raven kernel
aye double debuff removal is stonks
chilly brook
I mean in all honesty
stuck oriole
thats why i switched i nfirst place
chilly brook
The amount of damage you can remove from the fight with AA I value way higher than a pot
stuck oriole
and the dps isnt much lower on fury being kyrian than NF but i think NF is way stronger
trail karma
is there a place where i can find prot warrior macros
raven kernel
like the only stuff that gives prot trouble is bleeds or other types of dots
stuck oriole
gl on that in necrotic wake with ap ug
tranquil charm
So how would you guys rate covenants for prot? best to worst
stuck oriole
also slimes in plaguefall are fast as fuck now
chilly brook
gl on that in necrotic wake with ap ug
Uhhh I've done it? It's not difficult
Have had to do it since Legion
It's literally nothing new lmao
stuck oriole
aight ill try it prob right
stuck oriole
yeah but its only 30% right
chilly brook
Yes which is enough to leave melee range and stay out
and if you're NF and really need to get out you have soul shape 🙂
tranquil charm
How are covenants best to worst for protection in m+?
raven kernel
venthyr dead last
unreal scarab
Just a reminder that tanking as a Prot is SOOOO much fun right now. Also do you guys actually use hamstring in multiple mobs before you start kiting? Or just thunderclap/shockwave and out? Example of the gorgons in HOA. I didn’t do the math if it is ideal to ham multiple mobs or just use in on 1-2. Cheers!
chilly brook
Just a reminder that tanking as a Prot is SOOOO much fun right now. Also do you ...
I don't use hamstring really no
spring umbra
was just about to ask about a reflect spell doc and boom...pins...love it
inland raft
I checked the pins for a check the pins and couldnt find it
solar cypress
I mean hamstring is pretty useful for spiteful
Unless u go stormbolt
But double charge is too good with Reprisal
mighty cairn
does anyone else using threat plates know how to keep the nameplate on screen for big mobs?
i thought there was a setting but i haven't been able to find it since my addons were reset
meager locust
I jusr use bajheeras threat plate works well for dungeons too
languid mason
solemn forge
Not too sure if this is the right place to ask, but does anyone have a recommended route for HoA?
placid coral
New Prot warrior - just wanted to say Reprisal, Best Served Cold, Double Charge, and Intervene is some of the most fun I’ve had doing dungeons in WoW
They’ve really nailed the play style
dense flame
It’s definitely active playstyle 👌🏻
slender idol
cant wait to make reprisal and give it ago. sounds fun
daring marlin
astral crystal
having obscene dps helps
mighty cairn
166haste/49crit ring vs 144vers/66 mastery ring?
I still have no idea how stat weights work for prot warrior
languid flower
iLvl is king
just go for whichever is higher iLvl
if they're the same iLvl, pick the one with tertiary stats, or the one with more haste
crimson furnace
so when an item is 10 ilvl higer, it doeant really matter what secondary stats it has??
210 vs 220 healm
for example
halcyon horizon
Strength/Stamina and armor ofc as much more value, so if you have big ilvl difference, take ilvl yeah
gentle notch
Not even playing a Dwarf. Sorta cringe
crimson furnace
i just assumed that taurens are sturdy AF
gentle notch
I agree with Plka that Vulpera look nasty good on horde side with 40 yard ranged ability and the nose for trouble ability on pull is also great.
If you want to minmax that is
slender idol
what about flasks (if used) do you use the 70 strength vs the stam or w/e the flask is?
dapper coral
Strength. A little more HP usually doesn't help in any meaningful way
stable kernel
He plays orc for mog and the attack power
i play orc prot warr for the aesthetic
stable kernel
Yeah Orc warrior just looks good
and prot can be fine as any race i believe just vulp is bis
quiet gulch
since im a loser and cant figure out the mythic dungeon tools for routes anyone here want to hold my hand ahah
deft bolt
Hey all, in the pins it says Necro banner is a solid choice as long as we can coordinate it's use. In raid though, that would translate into two players making sure they stand closest to the warrior for the mastery buff which feels super unreliable. Realistically, how do you guys foresee this being used to a raids advantage without micro strats?
crimson furnace
its a 2 minute ability that line sup with a lot of 2mins cd's
yes, its range based
that is why u intervene the 2 casters who get the banner
mage, boomie
whatever
crimson furnace
so u do a back a forth, u get block and rage from taht + banner
that is why reprisal is so good
deft bolt
Does the banner buff stick with the two that were closest on cast?
crimson furnace
ooh, + the revenge proc
fossil sparrow
How..do I tell if i'm getting ass blasted due to me fucking up
or if healers are just..afk
fossil sparrow
I've only pugged normal raid so far, and sludgeifsh was all over the place
aside from the other tank letting me get slapped by double fist
but like, idk if I was majorly fucking up
fossil sparrow
swapped necro yday so, low renown atm idk
stable kernel
i dun raid just a guildless noob m+ tank
balmy coral
Anyone notice that Forgeborne Reveries will proc instead of Splintered heart of al'ar?
cedar stump
Reading the wowhead guide it says to not use fleshcraft while in combat, but it seems like that's wasting the 20% DR I usually just shield block then channel it. Am I being dumb?
timber nest
is there a way to game where the dutiful attendant spawns on council of blood?
stable kernel
Use fleshcraft before packs and in fights if u need a big defensive imo
stable kernel
its good in combat
fossil sparrow
it doesnt seem horrible
stable kernel
20% dr + shield
fossil sparrow
obviously without bash/revent up
fossil sparrow
probably my small brain, but I fleshcrafted a stavros lunge
stable kernel
shield is huge and 20% dr
fossil sparrow
to hope it wouldnt still kill me
fossil sparrow
was only normal ,but still not like I majorly outgear it
havent really played war since january
now the hardest task for swapping to necro, finding a green transmog
balmy coral
How trash is bladedancers armorkit now days?
gloomy cradle
amber siren
It’s bad
sly heron
uh can you still block while channeling as a tank? is that why combat fleshcraft is bad?
runic hare
You can avoid while using Fleshcraft now
So if you use Shield Block and cast Fleshcraft, you got yourself a nice defensive
sly heron
runic hare
Or Last Stand + Bolster + Fleshcraft if you like overkill
sly heron
cardboard assassain fleshcraft for me, doc
runic hare
sly heron
60s spiderman meme the cardboard assassain
yknow the one where they point at eachother
throw in a challenging shout at the same time
runic hare
Not gonna lie, I didnt know the meme was under that name. I just thought it was 'spiderman point meme' 
keen bramble
Since i just started warritanking, whats a good shiledblock uptime in keys, im using reprisal leggy and got around 50% uptime in a 14 plague earlier ... feels kinda low tbh and i still got slapped like a little girl
mossy peak
charge and intervene mid combat, you can basically weave it with some natural moments of kiting
and dont skip casting actual shield block
twin raptor
is there any prot war doin +18 or more keys using seismic?
astral crystal
im sitll rollin the wall
north rampart
What % damage does shield block usually mitigate from a hit? Around a third?
40% with a good shield?
prisma bear
it shows you on your stat sheet if you hover over block
30-40% depending on your shield ilvl
double for crit block
north rampart
Ok thought it was around that.
So why don't we stack parry chance? It blocks 100% and the damage and you hit quicker.
prisma bear
our weakness is magic damagic which is why we do vers, but crit is a fine stat
woven trellis
magic damage isnt our weakness
its our nightmare
tbh
every dungeon feels like shrine of the storm almost
Pugs are going to be wild with people missing kicks and blaming us for dying from it
tender sky
Are necrolords running emeni in M+?
balmy fulcrum
Looking for a Shadowlands version of this spread sheet from last Xpac. Any updates?
amber siren
emeni if you're coordinating your group to be stacked with you for the str bonus, yeah
balmy fulcrum
Thank you so much I'm Discord illiterate.
amber siren
thorny saddle
sweet summit
Kyrian would be better in that case
rough needle
even in groups with full comms getting full value out of necro takes quite a bit of mental bandwith and positioning
have to communicate and coordinate your cds a lot more too instead of spamming spears
distant crystal
proven relic
How important is vers as prot for m+? Im ilevel 223 in my 'prot' gear and have like 8% vers
spiral perch
the wall is on shoulders right?
jagged pier
yes
spiral perch
ty
upbeat needle
Did you guys see nerftank smurfing on 20-22 keys with ilvl 208 prot war
unique shale
no what about it ?
jagged pier
sounds reasonable tbh
jagged pier
jagged pier
no
u ither want it up for DR as much as possble or you can save it for the add casts so u might not get one
this is in mythic of course
jagged pier
can do
subtle island
interesting
jagged pier
it might one be when the thing is empowered im not sure though our entire progress i got like 1 add on me and it didnt matter i had it as i was already stood on the boss
verbal herald
Hey fellow warriors ! any good Warrior Tank Guide arounde? 🙂
jagged pier
icy veins
midnight jetty
Is anyone using reprisal on m sludge?
limpid burrow
im kyrian now but thinking to swap for NF
jagged pier
Is anyone using reprisal on m sludge?
yus
midnight jetty
Saw it mentioned here a few weeks saying you shouldn’t use it. Was playing around with it and it’s fine
Even intervening my other tank and it doesn’t hurt that much
jagged pier
u dont need to intervene
midnight jetty
It was just for extra shield block.
midnight jetty
I dunno, I didn’t die from it and it didn’t seem like that much extra damage
jagged pier
wait till enrage
jagged pier
if your intervening for the sb tho your playing it wrong as u dont need to intervene to cover every melee
midnight jetty
Okay
jagged pier
well actually i intervene 4 times in teh fight actually but its not on my cotank and its at a pillar at the end so i get like 1 sec of block on the boss
coral oyster
do we have to maintank sludge do be able to block his attacks?
jagged pier
no
midnight jetty
It was just my co tank was taking a surprising amount of damage, thought the intervene might of helped him there
jagged pier
its a really dumb idea
midnight jetty
We both stayed juicy around 90% for a little while
jagged pier
like for instance i take like no damage compared to my co tank so in general the healers ignore me for a lot of the fight
like ive died a few times to just not being healed for like 6 seconds
because im blocking everything
they sort of forget and i sit around 20-30% a lot so if i intervene im gunna die
midnight jetty
Also this probably sounds retarded but shield block says it increases your block chance by 100% right? Why am I still taking damage through it? Is there a certain threshold it’ll only block?
jagged pier
block doesnt stop the hit
midnight jetty
Mitigates the hit?
novel lotus
It blocks a portion of the damage, higher value with higher ilvl shields
midnight jetty
Ahh okay. Had someone telling me different but was questioning it. Ty
pale coyote
Hello, does Unbreakable Will protect all your raid group or only your group with 5 character please?
midnight jetty
Pretty sure your party group
jagged pier
only party
cerulean pebble
Yeah only party. Blizzard is very consistent (which is weird) when it comes to buffs that affect party and / or raid. If it only says party, it is only party group
midnight jetty
Haste vers or haste crit is the one you want I believe
jagged pier
Also this probably sounds retarded but shield block says it increases your block...
so block reduces the damage u take from a melee + armour also reduces it so the higher the shield the more damage is taken off the hit it dont stop damage
tough silo
Ye, but PF have more vers, where NW have more haste
pale coyote
Thanks
midnight jetty
I can’t remember which dung, I got mine from vault
tough silo
Name of it?
midnight jetty
It’s a hate vers one so just check the dungeon journal
I’m at work atm or I would
novel lotus
I am about to choose my 2nd warriors covenant - I am already Kyrian on my main, and I think my usual groups are pugs or too 🐒 to benefit from banner. I will be playing Fury in raids, but tanking m+ until next tier where I will be full time tank. What's the move boys 👀
jagged pier
What is the bis weapon for mythic atm? the one PF or mist?
just go to icy veins and look at the 'bis' list
jagged pier
I am about to choose my 2nd warriors covenant - I am already Kyrian on my main, ...
NF, but in general sounds like kyrain would suit you better if your gunna go full time tank in raid and dungeons
tough silo
freaking pvp...
novel lotus
Phial is really good...but I want to try something new 🤔 Kleia is very helpful on necrotic weeks too. I like Emeni on my DK on bursting weeks. The aesthetic of Necro/Venth is pretty cool on Warrior as well...NF has a lot of benefits too...
Not Emeni sorry, Bonerforge Heimdonk the 3% healing on enemy death stacking
jagged pier
if your necro u go eminem no other souldbind is better
look the issue is we have 4 covs to choose from they are all good in their own niche and all bad in other places
making them all very equal and viable in any content
so pick which covenant u like the best and be happy u get the aesthetics u want
might change in 9.1 tho
when more balancing will come
🤷
jagged pier
well thats my point u cana venthyr isnt bad for us 🤷
sure its not the best on aoe but its great for raid
alpine ravine
yea i dont really raid on my war
urban portal
Venth prot is painful
alpine ravine
i want to do big dam but i dont want to be a furry 😔
alpine ravine
i dont think it would
jagged pier
it works fine u use it on bosses and on low hp mobs
urban portal
In heroic dungs I can do whatever I want tho
jagged pier
exactly what i said above it has its niche and so does the others that doesnt mean its worse or better
u can literally pick any cov and be fine
dont forget Plka was top prot for Rio as a venthyr warrior
for a very very long time
steep quarry
what potency conduits should I use as a venthyr in m?
jagged pier
show of force
steep quarry
ok ty
urban portal
That being said one time when I was taking heroic for funsies
I pulled 40 mobs on the last dos room
That was so lit
urban portal
Too bad target caps
subtle island
How you keeping up SB on sludge then? Charge after stomp?
jagged pier
u can charge every roar and stomp
tough silo
Not really on mythic tho
jagged pier
Not really on mythic tho
yes you can
tough silo
Shield wall is way more worth
subtle island
nice
glacial skiff
Yup. Just go far right tree as general draven
jagged pier
Shield wall is way more worth
its not imo getting 100% blocked hits way way better
glacial skiff
That 4% str is nice
tough silo
Have you tanked sludge on mythic, jakey?
jagged pier
yes
tough silo
shield block isn't everything in that fight
glacial skiff
You went reprisal? You mad lad
jagged pier
its fine
glacial skiff
I didn’t feel safe charging that boss at all
tough silo
CD wise, shield wall is better. i tend to use ignore pain a bit more on sludgefist. SB is good, but the overall damage he spreads around, IP is good for that
jagged pier
what that makes zero sense
unique shale
I didn’t feel safe charging that boss at all
you can if you have dh or monk tank
unique shale
just tell after each stomp charge
jagged pier
block will be far better that IP in sludge
and as im runing reprisal i get SW every 2 mins
unique shale
and roar u can SR
you can SR roar ?
glacial skiff
Isn’t roar physical???
tough silo
well, we killed him, so - it worked
jagged pier
dont think so
subtle island
you can SR roar??
jagged pier
its 'sonic damage
glacial skiff
I tried and didn’t notice a difference
It showed as physical when I checked but idk
tough silo
Every "high-end" prot warriors, still say shield wall is the shit in raid
jagged pier
well, we killed him, so - it worked
welll good for u doesnt mean the wall and IP is better 🤷 becuase with the wall only get like 1 more sw that i do
unique shale
even spread sheet says nothing about SR roar
jagged pier
dont think thats worht compared to 95% blocked hits
strong forum
you can SR roar??
Not reflect, mitigate dmg
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
Although a shitton of dmg intake on that boss is environmental
jagged pier
true
urban portal
Ye, chain dot, room dot, ground dot, etc
jagged pier
but if im not dying to melees im gunna revenge tbh
glacial skiff
Idk why but I tried SRIng every roar and didn’t notice it
strong forum
Seems like it's physical tbh
jagged pier
i dunno as my officers said sonic damage is 50/50 if its nature or physical blizz never seem to decide
on what it is
so why not 🤷
glacial skiff
I think I checked details and it said physical
Or combat log
So I kinda just stopped
jagged pier
meh not like im dying to raor or dying anyway
we keep wiping because range dont want to break last chain
so we miss like 10 seconds of dps
glacial skiff
True but i’m dps in raid so sometimes it gets spicy lol
jagged pier
🤷
unique shale
i survived whole sire fight phase one only with condemn
is that possible or am i hitting condemn hard enough to give enough absorb shield ?
strong forum
Pmuch
strong forum
Doesn't make a difference who tanks what
jagged pier
and its easier to charge around so the boss doesnt take a random step forward and i cant charge
and as nome said makes zero difference
still get the rage for the hit
etc etc
wet compass
So am I allowed to still post here if I'm going to be a filthy fotmer since we lost our dh so I'm rerolling because 5% magic debuff
novel lotus
I spun the wheel and got necroturd btw 👀
silk gull
What's the thought on kryian vs necrolord now that we're a few days in
midnight jetty
I went necrolord as we have classes that benefit from. Got a kyrian ret pally that pumps with it
I was kyrian, don’t really miss it, the rage and damage from spear was nice. Not to bothered about phial my self
Considering goings nightfae though for more damage as prot and I want to start playing fury in keys as I Cba tanking keys
wet compass
I mean it's not because somebody said so it's because missing basically 3% damage on the raid with the amount of magic damage we have is huge
fae is great 🙂
novel lotus
Additionally, lore-wise Necrolord is pretty dope for Warriors 💪
jagged pier
its not total 3% damage to the raid
jagged pier
at most its like 6% on 2 classes together
wet compass
I'm talking about dh vs warrior jakey 😛
wet compass
sall good
jagged pier
stiff wren
Im trying to find some theory crafting source about the new reprisal. Stuff like if it is worth swapping to Double time and such. Anyone know about any?
jagged pier
if u take double time u have to pretty much charge and intervene on cd
to make it worth while
wicked ferry
Is prot now top tier tank on patch 9.0.5 ?
unique shale
Is prot now top tier tank on patch 9.0.5 ?
no
jagged pier
can we pin this?
sweet summit
Pin me
sweet summit
gentle notch
How important is ilvl for Splitered Heart? I feel like the effect is more what we are after and I sorta feel like doing LFR and normal for it lol
remote tusk
rich thistle
I tried to google but couldnt find how to fix so I can see who has the banner buff when Ive used it
fringe marten
Pad; does it matter that much? And I ask that both as a legitimate question and kind of sarcastically. The 2 closest people to you, and you...are getting that buff...If it's the wrong 2 people; that's their fault. (you will position yourself in a way that someone actively trying to get it, will get it)
So, now the legit part of the question comes in...why the desire to track who got your buff?
empty herald
Has any madman made a google sheet on every reflect-able spell similarly to what was made in 8.3?
empty herald
God damn what a guy
rich thistle
I guess you are right, I just like to have "control" or rather know whats going on. Same goes for me taking the effort to walk to the persons who benefit the most and actually see that they actually got it
sleek echo
do any of the more experienced prot warriors in this discord have some logs for inerva i could look at? felt like i was struggling with mitigating the dot dmg on mythic :/ or is there a log review section specifically for prot? 🙂
strong forum
Generally swap after every 2nd application, if you have more then 2 stacks of the dot call for an external
Play AM on the fight to have high uptime on SW for the dot
That's pretty much it, healers need to heal tanks alot
If you're dying with 2 stacks, yell at your healers to do their job
Very simple fight
fringe marten
UtilityTank I've killed inerva as prot war; the 'easy' swap was 2 stacks..it's clean, works 100%. I believe this is the 'intended' way the fight was built. If you monitor your stacks, and your cotanks stack timers tightly...you can have 1 of you often taunting off the other at 1 stack, and the 2 stacks is the amount you're 'sometimes' forced into. This eases the fight up on healers and yourself of course; however this will pretty likely cause her to taunt DR at some point/s in the fight.
I..? honestly can't remember if I did bolster or AM; but honestly all I really did was actively 'sacrifice' my dps to just build and dump rage on ignore pain when I wasn't tanking to absorb much of the DoT.
But between me and bear cotank we tried to make 'him' the target taking the 2 stacks of the dot, and limit myself to 1 stack as much as we could..through just monitoring the debuff timer expiration. On our kills (think we've done her twice?or 3 times now?) I ended up with 1 stack about half the time, and 2 stacks the other half.
(half of the duration of the fight)
All that being said; 2 stacks is supposed to be managable without serious cooldowns or external usage/etc...because it's kind of the intended healable/managable amount of damage she's going to put on the tank. It's pure speculation but I think the intended amount of stacks is 2 because FORCING 1 stack really often, definitely causes her to taunt DR..and any time you run into taunt DR it means you're trying to swap faster than the fight was built for usually.
signal plover
2 stacks is fine. With proper IP and SW use and enough healer focus it's pretty smooth for us
fringe marten
But I guess the better answer to your question would be; when you aren't tanking adds..or inerva..just build n' burn as fast as you can..into IP.
Run a healing (shield proc) trinket...IE Sire denny's trink...a? blood scale...etc.
signal plover
You can start to weave in revenges later in prog as healers/raiders get faster with mechanics.
fringe marten
Something you can 'on demand' block or heal a big chunk of that damage yourself.
(if you need it)
Because that fight is a tight burn test; and healers are often a part of the beams mechanic..and dealing with all the other raid damage; you DO want to try and not have healers have to 'manage' you too much...because it can cause someone else to die. So most guilds are 3 healing it.
You honestly barely even have to use shield block when tanking inerva..she spends so much time casting various mechanics she's barely hitting you; the big red add is the only thing that really needs block uptime attention.
And one BIG thing that can help; when you have to tank adds, specifically the big red guy...make 100% sure you have spell reflect available for his first cast of? whatever the Fk he does.
His cast, makes HER dot do more damage; and you can delete his first cast of it.
My only problem with that fight; was honestly just a personal one...I would often just lose one of the ghost images in the sauce of all the red bullshit going on; so occassionally I'd get 3 stacks...because I'd see the cast go out, see 1 ghost..and the other would just get lost in the sauce...or I'd miss the first; and that's all just personal physical failings. Not the fights, or our classes fault.
subtle island
Can you cheese that to some extent? Is it a good idea to keep your back to environment?
fringe marten
No; and that's why I'd lose them
So, the ghosts can spawn like..IN the pillars next to her...where all you see is their head popping out.
Or in the walls near the ? npc in the room near inerva (the one she paralyzes at the start of the fight)
subtle island
Didn't realise they could go into the pillars thanks
fringe marten
so the mechanic will go out, and it'll go into the wall..and you'll see just a little part of them poking out of the wall. Oddly with those times I'd see them EASILY. It's when the big red add is up, 8 swirly red circles are on the ground..and 4 or 5 black and red patches of 'anima'...and a half dozen+ melee running around ..and now I have to watch 2 red blood drops fly out from me..to where the ghosts will spawn.
And then I'll see the first one..and my eye will catch a cast bar or something else and take my focus off them for a sec..and poof, I lose the second red ghost in all the garbage on screen.
(like i'll need to backup melee on a missed interrupt or something)
But that's just a 'me' thing; the raw damage of the fight and it's mechanics are all easily handled by prot warrior; nothing overly punishing like...? Kormog? or whatever..the bridge boss in nightwell (before we got buffed mid tier, nightwell was some straight booty)
We're progressing on Sludge now; so I haven't seen the last couple fights..but nothing in Castle Nathria has been 'bullshit' punishing, it's all been managable damage and mechanics so the tier overall feels pretty balanced for raiding.
The gargoyle on council was about the worst thing, but it's only if he's allowed to live too long..so that's either a strategic choice or bad or dead dps.
That gargoyle in p3 lives beyond the 30/40 second mark; he's becoming the terminator at that point.
polar flame
New prot player here just starting to gear up, is it worth it to buy the darkmoon trink to kick start ilvls?
jagged pier
not really the haste darkmoon trinket isnt bad tho
but its far easier to get gear than it used to be
so i wouldnt waste the money
gentle notch
Darkmoon trinkets cost like 5k so it might be worth it just to get out of your leveling blues
polar flame
Ahh okay thank you guys, I'll probably go on the side of holding off then. I do need to start to save for legendaries afterall and I don't have too much right now
elfin nova
rugged orchid
Which mythic nathria bosses do we use reprisal legendary now?
uneven mason
Which mythic nathria bosses do we use reprisal legendary now?
Yes?
outer solstice
Nah
rugged orchid
@uneven mason did you say all?
outer solstice
wall <3
uneven mason
TBH Sludge is the only outlier where it feels super awkward
but you can make use of reprisal on all of them
personal preference really
uneven mason
I mean, yeah, wall is still probably better in raid settings unless you're used to utilizing reprisal
orchid frigate
looks like fem's group is starting to realize that necro isnt the play
uneven mason
whodat
orchid frigate
uneven mason
oh one of those
outer solstice
Necro is ackward to use, it's still the strongest ceiling I'd say
But you give up a lot of CC compared to NF/Kyrian
stable kernel
nerf plays Kyr and it works much better it seems and you arent sitting on banner
but he plays the cov for his team
orchid frigate
now naowh is mentioning prot warrior is looking strong. i sense the meta shifting
but on the other hand he's been saying that for a long time now :p
outer solstice
Kyrian and NF are both strong DPS and CC options
outer solstice
I am, and I live it
placid frigate
Venthyr pretty terrible for prot? I want to also play fury
outer solstice
Ventyr close last
spring mountain
yeah nf is just amazing on fury and prot
outer solstice
And arms
orchid frigate
sweet
outer solstice
With the buffed legendary
orchid frigate
and arms as well?
outer solstice
Yeah NF arms sims higher
orchid frigate
for pvp also?
placid frigate
So NF is my best bet if I want to juggle fury/prot?
outer solstice
for pvp also?
Nah Kyrian
outer solstice
Yeah NF is probably the best for multispecc
outer solstice
A real blink is amazing to fix fuckups
orchid frigate
im getting super stoked
outer solstice
But yeah it's not the most defensive option
stable kernel
only problem with NF is how many dps go nf
group diversity cov wise is rough as nf
spring mountain
^
signal plover
Literally the last thing I would consider if picking a cov
Cuz if your group is enforcing that you're likely not rly choosing for yourself anyway
sweet summit
Wtb prenerf spear
signal plover
I'm kyrian cuz I enjoy kyrian, am emotionally attached to Dafi, and don't wanna farm renown again lol.
sweet summit
Who is dafi lol
signal plover
Muh steward duh
signal plover
Emotionally not sexually
sweet summit
You can change steward?
signal plover
Yeh
sweet summit
O
orchid frigate
sweet summit
signal plover
Now if we wanna talk about kleia...that's a different story
blazing condor
i took Apa cus it translates to monkey in my language
sweet summit
BonkPaw
orchid frigate
i dont even know what my owl is named and now im too afraid to ask
signal plover
plush tendon
Swolkins are troll
'No I do not want you to play a song' 'What do you mean you cant activate this Gloiath?'
stable kernel
me orc me pet must also be big and strong 
craggy harness
tranquil charm
Does anyone know the warrior "Axrage"?
orchid frigate
its also a bit troll when youre clicking nameplates and get the swolkin dialog
sweet summit
Im not big on lore :/
sweet summit
Bet she is vibing
uneven mason
i wonder what Talanji is up to rn <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Rebuilding her kingdom after it got its ass kicked in a war.
blazing condor
Ey yo zandalar dudes please help us in our war against the alliance we'll be good allies
aight shits over now have fun lol
uneven mason
I mean we legit had our Warchief up and rip a hole in the universe
Priorities
Legit went from having her city sacked, to dealing with the return of the Naga, rolled right into killing an old god who was creating the black empire. The assault on Icecrown followed like a few weeks later.
orchid frigate
hmm for some reason i feel more confident when tanking on warrior than on my monk
stable kernel
anyone see naowh clip of him spinning a wheel for best tanks for 9.0.5
proud heart
Guys prot can wear signet and not be a shitter?
stable kernel
proud heart
its the only leggo i got
orchid frigate
Monk "Golly I hope my healer can deal with how crap stagger is now"
thats how it feels!
uneven mason
You can wear no lego and not be a shitter
orchid frigate
no control
uneven mason
Monk revolves around using celestial properly
but yeah super passive
2buttons was too big brain for BrM mains
so they removed Ironskin and rolled that into shuffle
orchid frigate
🙂
wanton condor
BM has some fun stomp optimization stuff but other than that it's even easier than it was before IMO, just more kiting
plush tendon
Are brews tanky like they were in BFA? I know they can pump DPS, but are they more like Prot Paladins now?
uneven mason
yeah thing generally get easier when your reduce variables
no they less tanky
in BFA you could literally just not press buttons on BRM
and be fine
wanton condor
the infamous spike log
uneven mason
its why they were meta tanks for mythic raiding
You could have Joe "Smoothbrain" Flipperfist drooling on his keyboard and as long as he had the boss pointing in the right direction it didn't matter what he did.
orchid frigate
haha
wanton condor
I mean, Mr. Smooth can do just as well now, just has to hit a button from time to time
but that's on the raid encounter designers more than anything
wanton condor
throwing kegs is pretty fun though
uneven mason
"Golly we built a tank who just automatically reduces damage by incredible amounts without pressing anything, why are people complaining about how boring it feels to press their active mitigation, guess its just a bad button, lets make it 100% passive so they don't have to feel bad pressing it anymore." <--- BrM developer going into SL
If they made 35% of our armor work vs magic tho, warriors would be in that same ballpark with how much armor we have
wooden spruce
hey everyone
So, is anyone still using hymnal for tanking? (not for my war but for my DK alt) Just noticed the procs are 1-2 per minute, lot less than before
wanton condor
can you get one over like 200?
uneven mason
if you're super lucky out of one of the epic callings boxes
solid cairn
what is the better soulbind for the necrolords?
wanton condor
LbE really benefits from having your team hug your bum
if you can't trust them to do so then Heimir
also the free 10s of tanking after you die can be useful
fringe marten
Hm; wonder if that conflicts with shard of alar trinket? Apparently DH cheat death, and that trinket don't work quite right if you burn both in 1 fight....it will prevent both from being used in 1 fight.
That also means you died twice..before combat ended which is either a collapsing pull, or you went so insanely huge and brezzed your way through it.
signal plover
I wouldn't rly ever run any double cheat combo
Just seems like something that blizz would scuff
fringe marten
Which they did. And I think it's by design; I'd imagine they want to prevent even the POSSIBLITY of someone finding a way to use multi cheat deaths to single tank raid bosses they shouldn't..etc.
fringe marten
I have. But again...you are running a cheat death trinket, on a class that has cheat death...then tried to use BOTH in 1 fight, and it didn't work?? like..what are you doing?
sweet summit
???
fringe marten
This was as of a few weeks ago
So maybe 9.0.5 altered something? or he's never tried to get them to fire back to back in 1 fight.
strong forum
Pretty sure it's unique equipped
fringe marten
like? 4 weeks ago or more was in discord and a DH tank was going on a tyrade about it.
I'm talking about DH using their own cheat, and then shard of alar...in 1 combat.
fringe marten
Correct; and according to him...it scuffed the heart proc and stopped it from working right.
strong forum
If you properly die, it resets the CD of heart
fringe marten
OK..maybe I wasn't understanding him right, or remembering it right...so they BOTH trigger, then you have to die..to get the trinket 'back'
strong forum
No
Well yes
You proc LR
And youre Gucci
If you die a 2nd time whilst LR is still on CD, then heart will proc
If you then ACTUALLY DIE then Heart CD resets and you have to get ressed
fringe marten
Either way; it legit shouldn't be equippable by a class with a cheat death talentable.
strong forum
🤷♂️
woeful cypress
imagine a class has so much cheat death im confused which death were talking abt
fringe marten
That's an insanely powerful ability, that you get to double up on.
night depot
Anyone get declined a fair bit from getting into groups even at low m+? just learning still so probably rio sucks but working on it! also great group here very helpful xx
fringe marten
By that logic; they need to now make a pally bubble trinket, etc..and paladins can use it so they can just have double bubble~
tame jasper
If you die a 2nd time whilst LR is still on CD, then heart will proc
DI you know WHEN hear twill proc in general? Sometimes its proccs from attacks and spells, sometimes it does not (and yes of course out of the 8min CD)
fringe marten
You make a trinket like that, with the same cooldown as a cheat death proc, and it has the same function..it's obvious what you're building. And if you're building that trinket..classes that HAVE cheat death, should not be able to usei t.
signal plover
what
I guess I moreso meant the delay "cheats" from conduits. We had one of the necro ones do some weird interactions on a Sludgefist bop chain so I'm just paranoid
strong forum
DI you know WHEN hear twill proc in general? Sometimes its proccs from attacks a...
Cheat death mechanics don't work if you get overkilled for too much dmg
fringe marten
To be absolutely fair...that trinket shouldn't exist.
signal plover
Y tho
strong forum
Cheat death trinkets have always existed and were always very mediocre
fringe marten
I know nom; our bear tank was trying to get away with some jank on mythic blood council..and his heart wasn't having it, neither was the shaman totem that does the same thing.
Not just mediocre..they were dogshit. Do we forget the 'meme' of the dagger hilt trinket from nightwell?
strong forum
Ye they were never used
fringe marten
This one has a nice damage component to it, and exists in a time when dying in challenging M+ keys is..like common..
spring mountain
then why are they used so much now
strong forum
And heart rn is only used cuz tanks are Hella weak
signal plover
That and random non threatening looking mobs are strong af
tame jasper
Cheat death mechanics don't work if you get overkilled for too much dmg
Ah thanks!
signal plover
Like half the shit in DoS
strong forum
Tanks haven't been this weak in expansions
signal plover
We need to do more pull ups tbh
strong forum
Vdh can die between globals
fringe marten
Before the huge nerf to them, the bleed from the little ? skele acolytes in Necro wake was like..whoah.
So here's the thing Nom; are tanks weak..or is the content much stronger? I believe the content is just much stronger.
uneven mason
Before the huge nerf to them, the bleed from the little ? skele acolytes in Necr...
carvers 😡
strong forum
Vdh specifically has huge benefits from those cheat deaths because they can't tank anything outside of meta windows in high keys
uneven mason
So here's the thing Nom; are tanks weak..or is the content much stronger? I be...
since those are relative values, the statement is factual either way
fringe marten
Look at the dungeons, look at what the mobs do..the bosses do. There's WAY more casters, casting some INSANE shit and often you can't stop it all, or have to have an EXCELLENT group to do so.
sacred roost
what's the prefered talent setup with Reprisal? 3,1,1,1,2,3,1?
uneven mason
Since tank strength is determined by the difficulty of content they have to tank, a tank can't be said to be strong but content said to be stronger
fringe marten
It's not relative though; I've been doing M+ as long as it's existed..so have lots of players here. I believe these dungeons are BY FAR the most overtuned, mechanically (mob abilities) in a first tier EVER.
strong forum
And in raiding tanks are sometimes using heart aswell since this raid actually deals proper tank dmg
sacred roost
there not though, for some tanks.
uneven mason
you either have weak tanks, and tanking is difficult (Or in this case, as it was in early BFA, we just literally have limited control of our survivability)
Or you have Overpowered tanks, where tanking is more about controling the placement of NPCs and require little external attention (Antorus)
fringe marten
Durvo, they still are..for ALL tanks. All tanks are kiting..all of us, at some point in key progression.
uneven mason
That has more to do with the ability of some DPS to produce sufficient damage to actually complete keys that are untankable
sacred roost
Anyhow, anyone happen to know the prefered spec for Reprisal? 🙂
uneven mason
So what thecore of our issues is, DPS (namely, uncapped AE DPS abilities) are scaled far beyond what a tanks are balanced for.
if they scaled back certain DPS, you'd see tanks rebalance around what content can be tanked
fringe marten
As far as raiding goes I feel it's balanced. I can't make a comprehensive statement since I haven't fought the last 2 bosses on mythic yet; but so far I haven't fealt like any damage is just "bullshit" and what I mean by that is; when prot warrior was weakest in nighthold; that bridge boss that was melting us with fire DoT, nothing you could do..nothing..you just ate it. They patched prot warrior IN that tier.
uneven mason
since mongo pulling would probably go away overnight
fringe marten
It wouldn't though; they LITERALLY tried to do that with capping most aoe's, and making mobs nasty AF, and have WAY more spells and mechanics. People STILL just went back to kiting.
sweet summit
w/e
uneven mason
bounding is life
amber herald
menace > all
fringe marten
Crackling is almost always gonna' be your go to dungeon talent for that tier; indom is fine, rav fine, AM is ok if you are comfy with working withing reprisal...BSC is really only if you're using seismic
jolly thistle
From a business POV it’s the optimal solution. You try to keep people playing and bring something up like a weekly chest with up to 3 options, but you overtune the content that nobody actually cares about pushing. No time investment for balancing and people still play low keys where all of that balancing stuff doesn’t matter .
uneven mason
It wouldn't though; they LITERALLY tried to do that with capping most aoe's, and...
They didn't cap ALL AEs, the meta involves specifically, fire mages who are uncapped in AE
sacred roost
I'm assuming Storm Bolt and Double Time are interchangable as needed.
uneven mason
and 100% of the meta is set up around supporting that SINGLE uncapped AE class
fringe marten
Ikari; I know..boomkins/etc But my point is they tried to seriously limit "you got to just BLAST man~" and it doesn't matter, they couldn't.
fringe marten
Yeah DT is fine for reprisal, it's also not super needed...and stormbolt is useful of course.