protection

[sand condor]

its broken cus i forgot to swap it yesterday

im legit hearthstoning now

[fringe marten]

I'm not a fan of the 'black' beard for dark iron...I went with the fire red, and pale white face; I prefer that thematic look on them. The black beard looks too much LIKE a beard, and not like..fire. it's just got the fire tips.

[jagged pier]

i couldnt log out with a scuffed mog tbh

[strong forum]

Same

[fringe marten]

^^^^^

literally I will summon my mount and change, if I had off pieces on or something..and just pay for the mog cost.

[jagged pier]

would literally mack me anxious till i logged on to fix it

[sand condor]

better @fringe marten ?

[fringe marten]

I want to like the black beard on dark irons too..like it's in this weird spot where it's like "hmm..that's pretty coo...NOPE..black hair..not fire..NOPE"

[ionic fern]

Who mogs helms on a dwarf, wtf.

[fringe marten]

I didn't..until that nathria set.

[brittle owl]

some helms look dope on dorf wdym

[fringe marten]

all my BFA mogs were helmetless.

[brittle owl]

nathria dorf is literally warhammer

and KT with nathria plate as well

[fringe marten]

BUT..the neck piece on the chest, made me use a helm.. because I wanted to make use of it, to have a new looking chest.

[sweet summit]

only acceptable helmet mog is engi goggles

[fringe marten]

You gotta' change up for new tier; can't use old xpac mogs.

[brittle owl]

defias mask

[fringe marten]

So I understand why he went helm.

[sand condor]

its fixed

dont hate

[fringe marten]

Vic..seriously...go to collection tab, and look at LFR (yellow) colored Dragonsoul helmet.

[ionic fern]

[fringe marten]

It matches ridiculously well with that set.

[sand condor]

i hate dragonsoulset with all my being

[brittle owl]

^

[fringe marten]

? welp....fair enough.

[brittle owl]

shit raid shit mog

0/10

[sand condor]

Mwahi approves as such i am now a good warrior.

[fringe marten]

No..shit mog is; 100% of nyalotha.

100%

FAX

[sand condor]

im surprised no one flamed my weapon choice

[brittle owl]

nah

nyalotha was good, though theme limiting

[ionic fern]

I would have but you're using the wrong weapons so i couldn't care less.

Where's that Shield

Smh

[brittle owl]

can't make any mog that isn't eldritch horror themed

[sand condor]

well im questing in fury xD

[ionic fern]

What on earth

[sand condor]

cus i swapped to nf and i prefer 1 or 2 shotting stuff

[fringe marten]

ONLY good nyalotha weapon...is the 1h mace/hammer that's like spikey with tentacles tucked into the hammer head.

[ionic fern]

You should 1 or 2 shot as Prot.

😒

[jagged pier]

i would of but this isnt the tmog channel and tmog is subjective so 🤷

[brittle owl]

open world as a non tank

what is this

classic?

[sand condor]

uh i uh..blame my raid group because they stil haven;t confirmed if i get my main tank spot

[fringe marten]

Honestly I legit enjoyed doing that normal Uldir run (and did NOT get any of the items I wanted) than...any M+ key or raid progression we've done; even when I got an item upgrade.

When all the pressure of doing..anything..is gone; and you're just there to hope to get something cool looking you want; it's just fun start to finish even if you get nothing.

[sand condor]

oh i want to rerun mythic dazar alor

its such a fun raid

.>

[fringe marten]

Dude Mekkatorque fight was DOPE

[wild hemlock]

yup i went back running storm bolt after the first few dungeons

[thorny laurel]

Do you guys remember how much % dmg reduction block we had at the end of BfA with mythic gear/azerite traits?

[strong forum]

Roughly the same as now!

Glad I could help!

[fringe marten]

upper 50's I think? and armor was like...in the high 60's or 75%'ish

[sand condor]

god i remember wiping on mekka

[thorny laurel]

yeah but if it was upper 50's then a critical block would be above 100%? Im just curious how that owrks

[fringe marten]

The actual block % on my shield I thought was...? in the 50's I thought?

[brittle owl]

there is a K value

[fringe marten]

no crit block caps at 85%

[strong forum]

Crit block is capped at 85%

[thorny laurel]

ah good

ty

[strong forum]

There is a K value that keeps our block% and armor% in check

[brittle owl]

that keeps tou from getting to crazy with DR

[hoary jackal]

thinking of changing covenants (went venthyr as dps'ed at start). i know the Read the Pins. Just wondering how ppl who have gone Night Fae are finding it?

[brittle owl]

NF stomps

[thorny laurel]

that all makes sense ty 🙂

[fringe marten]

But..due to the synergy of uhh? the neck essence we used to proc avatar..the azerite essences...etc; we were running dummy levels of mastery nearly at all times, so we were just ..blocking the universe..

[sand condor]

we can only get 85% critblock

why not 100 😠

[strong forum]

Cuz it's be more broken than it already is

[fringe marten]

Because Rextroy will find a way to keep up the 100% damage block on a current tier raidboss...

that's why.

[gaunt dawn]

85% is armor cap

[fringe marten]

and then, make a 17 hour video of him solo'ing it...and then we get nerfed.

[sand condor]

but solo tanking mythic bosses

oh god

yep

fair

[fringe marten]

Once you block 100% of damage..

...game breaking shit happens.

[gaunt dawn]

vers DR stops at 99%

[outer solstice]

yeah like tanking 2000000000 mobs at once

if you could negate all damage

[fringe marten]

like..."oh I have 25 stacks of armor crush...I'm taking 15,000% more damage..doesn't matter, I mitigate it to 0"

[outer solstice]

that reminds me a tad of BT days

no rage because like 40% hard avoidance

[fringe marten]

Of course we would never be able to 'maintain' the 100% damage crit block...but that's why they'll never allow a value to get to that point.

[outer solstice]

well, we had our cool legendary once

[fringe marten]

once you can stop..ya' know...ALL damage. You can do some insane game breakPALADINS

[uneven mason]

Had to take pants off

[outer solstice]

like pallys regulary do

[gaunt dawn]

20%*

was le cap

still is 👀

[outer solstice]

20% what?

[gaunt dawn]

avoidance

[outer solstice]

...

[fringe marten]

...uh...Elereth Renferal, mythic emerald nightmare..

[outer solstice]

hard avoidance

[uneven mason]

we're talking Avoidance, as in, dodge/parry/miss

[outer solstice]

miss + parry + dodge

[fringe marten]

paladin using spell warding...anyone..?

[outer solstice]

soft avoidance being blocks

back then

[uneven mason]

Blocks are mitigation

[fringe marten]

Mythic Odin..spear chucking on us..."Ok Bop me now.."

[uneven mason]

always have been

[outer solstice]

being whitehit immune was fun

[gaunt dawn]

mitigation, immunity

[uneven mason]

indeed

[brittle owl]

incorrect zoomer boi

[gaunt dawn]

different things from avoidance

[gentle oak]

You know your class is undertuned AF when you complain about paladin prot being breaking the game xD

[gaunt dawn]

miss doesnt exist against players from bosses

[brittle owl]

block used to be avoidance

[outer solstice]

we're talking old jargon, more than 10 years old

[uneven mason]

I <3'd ZA gear for being all about SBV and SBR

[gaunt dawn]

dodge is negated by a boss level mob

[brittle owl]

a long time ago for a short time

[gaunt dawn]

so its just parry

🙂

[uneven mason]

avoidance makes you avoid the hit, block reduces the hit (you could say it mitigated it)

[outer solstice]

we're talking over 10 years back

[gaunt dawn]

Ye, that wasnt avoidance then either

[brittle owl]

10 years ago it was cataclysm

[uneven mason]

it was on the same COMBAT roll

[gaunt dawn]

it was CTC cap

[brittle owl]

[fringe marten]

I'm not really complaining about paladins..just that, at ANY TIME EVER you have a move that will make all damage stop; people are GOING To find ways to use it in raids/etc to break mechanics. 100%..always.

[outer solstice]

over 10 years

[brittle owl]

wotlk?

[gaunt dawn]

To negate ever receiving a full hit

[outer solstice]

BC

[gaunt dawn]

102.4%

[brittle owl]

^

[outer solstice]

yep

[jagged pier]

https://giphy.com/gifs/party-cat-catjam-jam-Q5Ra0QQUpPYdlFmFrj

[fringe marten]

IceblFUCK mages

[uneven mason]

But yeah TFW you wore the troll raid gear because it had block instead of dodge/parry

because blocking was rage

[outer solstice]

yep

[brittle owl]

trollaman gear was insane for warr

[fringe marten]

I'm super not a fan of how RFDT works now. BUT...our active rage gen is really high so~

[outer solstice]

more than that

[gaunt dawn]

the concept of the CTC cap

was dumb

[outer solstice]

it was fun!

[uneven mason]

remember WOTLK prepatch where they fixed how SBV scaled...

[brittle owl]

ctc cap was fun at the time

[outer solstice]

yeah it was of technical nature

[gaunt dawn]

if failed on its own concept

in any scenario

🙂

[fringe marten]

LOL Ikari

[uneven mason]

"Shield SlaaohmygodIjust1shotthatpaladin"

[fringe marten]

I'm a pool player so I thought I saw "SVB" who is shane van boening, one of the US's best pool players..I was like "HE talkin' about shane now??"

[brittle owl]

who watches pool

[fringe marten]

this guy~

[uneven mason]

Literally can't think of a more boring thing

[fringe marten]

and plays it competitively.

[uneven mason]

except golf

[gaunt dawn]

you had dodge (0% against a boss), parry (lower your value by 3%), 5% miss, and then block (which was capped at 30% DR)

but the purposes of the "cap"

included the same level values

rather than boss level ones

[fringe marten]

I mean, you're not wrong...there's a reason there's no money in professional pool. Golf somehow got 'esteemed' due to Theodore Roosevelt playing it at the white house.

So golf pros make millions...but golf is pool, on a huge manicured lawn.

[brittle owl]

eh golf has multiple reasons why it's "esteemed"

high paywall being one of them

[uneven mason]

mostly because its the rich mans game

[fringe marten]

...

[uneven mason]

Its a status symbol to play golf

[brittle owl]

^

[fringe marten]

the paywall came from TDR's enjoyment of it

[uneven mason]

because its basically pool but requires 100 fucking acres of land

[fringe marten]

golf was viewed just like pool is now; as a stupid game where it's recreational and useless.

[brittle owl]

the paywall is intrinsic

because of the land and maintenance required

[fringe marten]

when he installed a green at the white house; the country got involved in golf and it became a prestigious game after that people wanted to go play at clubs n' shiz

[brittle owl]

tfw

hooverball didnt take off

[fringe marten]

Before that it was in heavy decline and no one cared about it.

[brittle owl]

[fringe marten]

I'm not hatin' golf, just saying there are odd events that can change the public view of something..and thus it's value.

[grim zinc]

How are the nercolord chads feeling with the changes?

[brittle owl]

extremely unsurprised about mediocrity

[grim zinc]

hehe

[sand condor]

lol

[uneven mason]

like the simps they are

[grim zinc]

I just want to try something other than Venthyr. Tanking with it feels bad.

[ionic fern]

Go NF or Kyrian then

[grim zinc]

Althought i only do it occationally

[sterile moss]

NF = feel good

[plush tendon]

I like Necrolord; its better then being a lampost or a fairy

[sterile moss]

you dont have to mog into a tree to blast with

[orchid frigate]

isnt NF really good for fury as well?

[sterile moss]

yes, it's bis on m+

[ornate oracle]

I picked up prot because of the necro buffs.

I enjoy it a lot, even if my damage seems suboptimal.

[sterile moss]

for fury

[orchid frigate]

nice

[outer solstice]

[orchid frigate]

but would miss my phial...

[uneven mason]

Fury in full roll hitting AA on a pack is "Delete 5 mobs now"

[outer solstice]

but you haz big masttery buff and burrrrs

NF also let's you multispecc quite easily with fury using korayn on M+

[plush tendon]

also, its a lot easier to benefit from PF dungeon buffs and a extra 3 mins on that 10% vers in ToP

[outer solstice]

and Niya for Prot in raid

[uneven mason]

I actually prefer the 10% dmg and big crit for my fury build

too bad I'm using it for prot too!

[outer solstice]

you run korayn as prot?

[uneven mason]

in M+

[outer solstice]

I'd still use Niya though

for prot

[uneven mason]

k

I Like big crits

[outer solstice]

but that's me

[brittle owl]

nya is BoM nostalgia

korain big pp

[outer solstice]

well Niya increases your mastery bbig time after using AA

[uneven mason]

too bad Mastery is kinda "meh" for our dmg

but crit

[outer solstice]

giving you bigger crits too

[uneven mason]

omnomnom

[edgy venture]

Guys I might go to the dark side. I really really like slappy hands.

[outer solstice]

we're no paladins

leave and play what you like ^^

[uneven mason]

k 👉 🚪 See you at Acherus

[edgy venture]

might go

[uneven mason]

No we get it, shields are too heavy for some

if you need extra arms to carry your weapons

[jagged pier]

🚪

i want a better door transmog

not the scuff one from last expansion

dont @ me

[signal plover]

Coffin lid from ICC?

[uneven mason]

ToGC

[signal plover]

Or was it from trial

Yeh

The icc shields are pretty dope tho.

[uneven mason]

those are small

like, Eye of Eternity shield

thats the play

or Naxx 25 shield

[signal plover]

Too thin

The eye shield is also held at a weird angle I feel like

[uneven mason]

it is

like Bulwark

[signal plover]

Basically no shields beat mage tower/hidden arti shields

[jagged pier]

need like an big old oak door imo

[signal plover]

Like a roman tower shield

Which is basically just bulwark

[uneven mason]

nax shield

[jagged pier]

like old church doors or tower doors big thick and chunky so i can knock a fucker out with it

[signal plover]

Desecrating a place of a the lord tsk tsk

[jagged pier]

how many temples have we as players gone into and destroyed in the game

🤔

[edgy venture]

Sunken, Zul'Farrak, Blackfathom Deeps(?), Blackrock Mountain.. Scarlet Monastery, kind of.

there's plenty more

[jagged pier]

exactly

and we didnt go a rib a door off the hinges

i dont believe that

[sand condor]

why

cant we ahve a door

as a shield

or a table

like come on

[solemn magnet]

None of those places had doors. Just open door ways

[jagged pier]

eh?

[exotic summit]

@sand condor there is a door, it drops in motherload

[jagged pier]

u need to unlock the dorrs to get to cath or the other one cant remeber

or back in my day u did

[edgy venture]

cath and armory yo uare correct

[jagged pier]

yah lots of places u used to have to have a key where u could just knock it down and use it as a shield

[solemn magnet]

Right, I was thinking inside.

[jagged pier]

🤔

pretty sure cath has a fucking huge door

u need to open

[signal plover]

Yeah but you unlock them like a good boi

[jagged pier]

[signal plover]

You don't blast through and destroy em

Except the one in SoO maybe?

That's a big boi door there

[jagged pier]

like why can i not have a burnt piece of that big tree we burnt down?

its a magic tree right must be good at blocking

[signal plover]

Burned wood isn't durable

[jagged pier]

tru

but

magic

[signal plover]

Burned magic

[outer solstice]

burned wood is quite strong compared to other things

[solemn magnet]

Roll NF xD

[signal plover]

Speaking of which, isn't it weird how sexualized the latest season of the sabrina show is

[outer solstice]

e.g. you're safer in a burning wooden hosue than in a burning steel house

[signal plover]

Anyway

[jagged pier]

i couldnt watch it tbh

[signal plover]

Super cringy

[jagged pier]

☝️

[signal plover]

But also sabrina sooo

[jagged pier]

tru 🤔

[signal plover]

But yeah not a lot of good door options

So back to artifacts foreva

[jagged pier]

tru

[sand condor]

why cant i wack people with a bwonsamdi mask the size of a shie;d

[obtuse prism]

have you tried the old-school tiny shields as tmogs? they look super cute

[jagged pier]

use skullflame or your based

[edgy venture]

I use the spinning engi shield

and diving helmet

[jagged pier]

better be a diver mog

otherwise yikes

[edgy venture]

Kind of.

Check #transmog

[outer solstice]

just roll gnome

[edgy venture]

I changed my shield to the rudder and then to the engi shield. switching inbetween

[outer solstice]

and you can't find a shield small enough

as the shoulders are tooooooo big

[foggy plover]

guys any good suggests for venth warrior ? as talent choice and leggo

[sweet summit]

same as any other covenant

[outer solstice]

[brittle owl]

that's not because burnt wood is stronger than steel, that's because steel stores and radiates more heat

[outer solstice]

nah

steel looses a lot of it's supportive strength under heat

[brittle owl]

that too

well

yes and no

[outer solstice]

so you have structural problems a lot earlier

fireman here ❤️

[brittle owl]

you tend to make heavier structures with steel

[outer solstice]

well, not always

many warehouses

are made from steel structures

and they are very dangerous as they can collapse without notice if you don't look very closely

[brittle owl]

end of the day it's a burning house though

you gtfo there

not wait for your tea to finish brewing

[outer solstice]

yeah, but as a fire commander I would not send my men in a burning steel warehouse

but into a burnign wood warehouse

[brittle owl]

yeah wood give audio signals with that

do you even have a reason

[outer solstice]

it also happens gradually

[brittle owl]

to go in a burning warehouse

[outer solstice]

and not

[outer solstice]

well not going in without a reason for sure, but if I had a reason other than saving lives I would not send anyone into a steel warehouse ^^

[brittle owl]

unless jim the janitor was taking a shit while the whole place conflagrated

[outer solstice]

you won't believe some of the things that happened xD but let's move btt

hit me up in DMs if you want to continue and exchange experiences

[wild hemlock]

did anyone else hate the stupid ass dog 2nd boss in antorous on mythic. I despised that fight

[signal plover]

I actually liked the tank movement reqs on that fight

[brittle owl]

doggos were ok

[signal plover]

The boss with the three platforms and the fuckin eonar fight were bleh

[brittle owl]

yo

council was pad city

[signal plover]

Nah not council

[brittle owl]

oh the spider one?

[signal plover]

The optional one

[brittle owl]

yeah that was lame

[signal plover]

Portal keeper

I forgot that fight had spideronis

[brittle owl]

the boss was a spideroni thing

?

wait

she wasnt

why did i remember spoders

[signal plover]

There were spider adss

And she mighta had multiple legs

[brittle owl]

nah she just had wings

i was sure she had multi legs

[signal plover]

Projecting

[astral crystal]

but can jet fuel melt steel beams?

[brittle owl]

asking the real questions

[astral crystal]

[signal plover]

Guys this convo is getting too close to muh jerb

Back to sabrina the sexy witch

[jagged pier]

[gentle oak]

sludgefiesta mythic, bolster yay or nae?

[jagged pier]

if u run the wall yes if u run reprisal no

[gentle oak]

ok, thanks

[signal plover]

Very smooth boss in either case

[gentle oak]

yeah I'm gonna be 213 ilvl

so it's gonna be more more fisting than sludge

[signal plover]

Block carries a heavy load

Hope your shield is decent ilvl

[gentle oak]

nope, that's why we stack for stone legion HC today

[uneven mason]

She was a spider demon, those were legs.

[signal plover]

Gl on shield

[uneven mason]

sicking out her back

[gentle oak]

thanks, I'm gonna need it, since mine is 187 ilvl atm

[tardy parcel]

you're about to be on m sludge with a 187 ilvl shield? holy shit (or did i misunderstand you?)

[uneven mason]

"Sludgefist casts <Red Mist>"

[signal plover]

Sounds like he's jumping into the tank role mid prog kinda deal

[uneven mason]

yeah

this raid for some reason, a lot of tank burnout

first one where tanking and leading at the same time has felt more difficult than healing/leading

[jagged pier]

because tank mechanics are easy and having to wait 100 odd pulls for dps to learn the easy mechanics is frustration

[ionic nimbus]

Position is much better from healer ...

[outer solstice]

It can weaken it super fast so that they can fold like rubber poles instead of steel beams

[jagged pier]

like artifcer me and my co tank had the boss sorted aftre like pull 3 then we had to wait for ppl not to mongo and get hit by ghosts or in the blue circle

[elfin nova]

That's kind of always been true though

I do think this tier had some miserable bosses to tank

[outer solstice]

Oh well lady is fun

[elfin nova]

cough slg

[outer solstice]

But took us 3 tries to get used to the ghosts

[dusty geyser]

tank mechanics have been pretty forgiving, at least from my own experiences

[jagged pier]

like usually theres a few fun fights but this time zero imo

[elfin nova]

I like sire

[jagged pier]

and of course the tuesday evening i havent done my weekly can u tank

🤔

[dusty geyser]

Sire is fun, and probably the most interesting to tank

lots of key positioning needed

[elfin nova]

I think tank burnout is probably like. M+ can be/is pretty miserable + low number of tank players means lots of weekly pestering

[astral crystal]

SLG is the fight that's making me reconsider WoW

[elfin nova]

But if you played SLG before the tank mechanics got changed then idk man that is the most miserable i have ever been whilst tanking

[astral crystal]

it is so fucking bad in every conceivable way

[craggy pilot]

for Fortified week, should i switch some of my routes? or is pride on bosses still good?

[mossy sluice]

pretty dungeon dependent

[uneven mason]

Some dungeons you wnat pride for tough packs

[dusty geyser]

I use pride for shitty trash in SD on fort weeks >.>

[uneven mason]

DoS stands out in my mind.

pride for the ardenweald urn pull

I'd also force pride early in PF for the 2 slime golems

on fort weeks

[mild ruin]

Swapped covs today, can I just keep doing random hcs for catchup renown?

[craggy pilot]

ok thx 🙂

[uneven mason]

hit LFR first

LFR is a volcano of renown

[subtle stream]

It's also a Sh!t show

[subtle island]

226 shriek back or 220 slg back?

[jagged pier]

shriek

[tame jasper]

and which enchant?

20+speed, 20+leech+,20+avoideancce or 30sta?

[jagged pier]

any u like

[strong forum]

Avoidance is generally the best

2.3% of free aoe dmg reduction

[stuck oriole]

Do you guys use stamina flask for the extra healing or strength?

[sweet summit]

strength

[stuck oriole]

And necro lord is 100% better than kyrian right now right?

[sterile moss]

no,

[uneven mason]

Stam flask gives extra healing?

[sterile moss]

indom I guess

[uneven mason]

I guess

If only they had a flask of "receive 10% more healing"

tho str probably be better

cause Stopping dmg > healing it back

[mild ruin]

I cleared hc this week before I swapped will I stoll get renown on lfr/ nm?

[obtuse prism]

is it just me or do others hate tanking sludge too

[plush tendon]

I like it

Better then council at least

Sludge reminds me of Za'Qul, except this time theres no Brewmaster OPness to trivialize that fight for the off tank

[obtuse prism]

really? I actually enjoy council more

I must be doing something wrong

[plush tendon]

Mythic Council can go die in a hole and never come out

I hate fights the require intense raid stacking the whole time, which Council is

[obtuse prism]

I'm a noob bro - only heroic raids

[blazing condor]

i like sludge even in HC

very scripted

but also not a given fight

[strong forum]

I like heroic everything

[plush tendon]

Its also not long

Our Council kill was 9:45, whereas Sludgefist is more like a 5-6min fight

[blazing condor]

council gives me sha of fear ptsd

[plush tendon]

Council is a long fight, which can have terrible overlaps, and feels like a DPS race even though its so long

[blazing condor]

boogie down

[obtuse prism]

when I hear boogie down my mind goes to the tiktok song "dance with me dance with me" - my RL hates me for it

[blazing condor]

man i kinda miss reforging

[autumn pendant]

SHIMMY RIGHT

[blazing condor]

it sucked because you had to use it to get hit/expertise % but now that thats not a thing why not bring it back : (

[chilly brook]

Council suuuucks

[plush tendon]

sashay left!

[blazing condor]

gonna trial for a guild on council this week but i doubt it'd be a shitfest for me

i have no mythic exp rn though cus i never had a guild and cba to pug

so yolo

[chilly brook]

It's not hard

Its just annoying

[blazing condor]

it doesnt look hard tbh

[chilly brook]

Howd you land a council guild with no experience?

[blazing condor]

im just that good

nah but its a guild ive done some HC with before and played with

and they needed a tank now

so i already had half the foot in

so hopefully i'll be 1/10 mythic soon

[plush tendon]

Exciting stuff! Get that bread 🙂

[blazing condor]

Hope i can cus i sure am hungry

[autumn pendant]

ask @main jewel

[mild ruin]

Tryna pug my mythic prog this tier, wish luck

[blazing condor]

monka

have fun

[mild ruin]

A guildie yolo qued huntsman mythic, got it first pull. Can’t knock the luck

[plush tendon]

huntsman Mythic aint a hard fight if the people who have responsibility do their job right

[lyric meteor]

https://clips.twitch.tv/IcyBombasticSoybeanYouDontSay-1YABAaVFd82itk5k

[mild ruin]

Eh the idea of progging fights, legit just cba anymore, last time I raiding top end was Uldir

[fervent smelt]

A guildie sent me that vid(im the only prot war in the guild). Everyone had a laugh

[flint roost]

Isnt that the case for eveything tho😅

[fluid wraith]

whats the thought process on Niya vs Korayn? burrs are dope but korayn crit is real juicy

for m+

[plush tendon]

Sure, but huntsman in particular is a fight where you can pick and choose the people who are responsible, whereas a fight like Council or even Hungering everyone needs to be prepared and ready to react

Im sure for a certain amount of people, their only job is to not stand on the arrow, or move the arrow to a marker if they get it and thats it

Otherwise, you have set people who are soaking, set people CCing dogs, and so on

[dapper coral]

Eh, Huntsman locks you into soaking with certain people if you do immune rotations. So if your Paladin or Mages are derps, you still have to work around that derpiness

And addons do most of the thinking for DPS and healers on Hungering

[plush tendon]

Right, but its paladins and mages. The people responsible are a set group and theres very little deviation from that if any

if they are derps, well the fight is just harder then i guess

[dapper coral]

Don't get me wrong, I think both are easy fights but there is some level of brain check for people in them

[plush tendon]

First brain check fight, at least in my opinion, is Hungering

IDK, hard part about Shriekwing is everyone loses their minds in the intermission for whatever reason

and Huntsman has usually been clean for us at least so I dont know

[potent crypt]

howw can i ake low dps 😦

198 ilvl

the council

where i fail xD

?

[dapper coral]

are you asking how can you do more damage?

also, you'd have to link the complete log, not just a SS

[potent crypt]

yes sorry my english

https://es.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ydwZ1v4BF3qHNzfn/#fight=28&type=damage-done&source=11

[next robin]

Hey folks, for threat generation, aside from Thunderclap, using ravager and spear of bastion (i am kyiran), is revenge essentially what I use for AoE attcks while Thunderclap is on cooldown?

I'm doing low content atm and working towards progressing higher but I know rage generation is SUPER important so that I can use IP when needed and shield block when its off CD

I know we have Shield wall to use in between if needed and Demoralizing shout

[strong forum]

Revenge is your main dmg button in aoe

[plush tendon]

Revenge is your big hitter. Thunderclap is not the same as it was in BFA.

[next robin]

really?

[strong forum]

Yes

[next robin]

How would one manage rage like that then?

[plush tendon]

You get more rage

:D:D:D

[next robin]

cause if i pull big i find myself running out of mitigation options

lol

[strong forum]

By getting experience and using IP when you know you need it

[next robin]

Ahhh

[strong forum]

And pumping the rest into revenge

[next robin]

so IP is dependent for sure then if that happens

[chilly brook]

Very low revenge casts

@potent crypt

[plush tendon]

Part of the learning curve is learning when you need IP and when you can use that rage on more Revenge

[chilly brook]

If you're looking to push out more damage gotta use more revenge

[next robin]

Is there ever a time where I would have down time to not press anything while waiting on CDs?

[strong forum]

Not in aoe

[next robin]

tbh im focusing on survivability atm

[strong forum]

In ST sometimes

[chilly brook]

Also you're not using execute @potent crypt

[next robin]

i'll get dmg up there eventually but I wanna make sure i am TANKY lol

[strong forum]

One comes from the other

[chilly brook]

I was responding to someone else :)

[potent crypt]

revenge now you use out proc?

[chilly brook]

Yes

[strong forum]

Ofc

[next robin]

@chilly brook sorry, ty

[strong forum]

Revenge proc has only 3ppm

[potent crypt]

bfa mode i palying :S

[next robin]

So all in all, its a matter of managing my resources and knowing when to use IP

[strong forum]

And maximising rage gain

Knowing the encounter

[next robin]

And dont overcap

im a guardian main and wanting to learn a new tank cause i dont know all tank classes

VDH wasnt too fun for me tbh

and warrior ive been enjoying

[chilly brook]

@potent crypt

This is sire not a 1:1 but I'm casting revenge quite frequently

[next robin]

Thanks folks for the help. I hope to post a log and have you guys break me apart

[potent crypt]

thanks guys

i try use more

[chilly brook]

But spending more rage on revenge and execute will bump up damage quite a bit

This is my heroic council

Similar kill time

[uneven mason]

Damage is survivability

[chilly brook]

Huge difference in our revenge casts

[ionic fern]

I'm trying to learn mage and my group is bullying me.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790571977005989888/822174255324069949/528r8s.jpg

Help.

[plush tendon]

Are you hardcasting flamestrike?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[plush tendon]

Do you have all the pieces of fire mage exodia?

[ionic fern]

The what?

[craggy pilot]

how would you build Conduits for Venthyr? mostly confused about the top and bottom row

[plush tendon]

You know, the right lego, a on-use trinket, the right conduit, the right Cov

[uneven mason]

sire trinket big need

[ionic fern]

Are you using either of the other two for DPS specs?

[craggy pilot]

the top one yes, thought Draven was BIS for Prot?

[uneven mason]

ehhhhh

I Mean, he's fun

but that haste

omnomnom

[craggy pilot]

tha Nadija haste u mean?

[ionic fern]

No, i got nothing. Pretty much only m+ gear. 😂
I am NF tho and have the Lego that forces me to use a frost and a arcane spell.

[plush tendon]

Internal combustion conduit from PF is big, and a PVP on use is also big

[uneven mason]

are you sending the appropriate amount of nudes to your priests for PIs?

[plush tendon]

all the damage is tied to proper combustions, otherwise youll feel like a wet noodle if you dont get the most value out of them

[craggy pilot]

3 of the top 4 Prot Warrs on r.io are using Draven tho, but i guess its for doing +20?

[ionic fern]

Honestly i would use Nadija or Theotar for Prot.
Draven is the "tankiest" option of the 3 but it's by no means needed.

[uneven mason]

Yeah we don't need the damage reduction until obtuse level keys

we tankyboys

[plush tendon]

According to my fellow DKs, if you dont need the extra EHPS, Draven is useless. If you dont know if you need more EHPS, then you dont need it

[craggy pilot]

ye ok, is Theotar any good? the mastery buff seems a bit meh for Prot

[uneven mason]

its a defensive option but also buffs attack

[craggy pilot]

dont have enough Conduit energy to play with Nadija, as i got it setup for Arms :<

[plush tendon]

Theotar is pretty cool; mastery aint bad, but you got to stay in the shaded zone to get benefit from it. Also, the vers from using cov ability is nice as well

But Nadjia, probably better for general purpose

[craggy pilot]

top warr is using Ashen+Harrowing, i guess thats because of Tyrannical week was yesterday?

[chilly brook]

Draven brings you almost nothing other than reduced damage at a health point where you're probably dead anyways

I basically use theotar for tanking

[craggy pilot]

ok ok 🙂 will try to save up some energy to enable Theotar

[uneven mason]

THeotar's big help is Tea Time

[chilly brook]

Since nadjia is my dps tree

[uneven mason]

6% vers for free

[chilly brook]

And I main dps in raid

[uneven mason]

suuuuuuuure

[chilly brook]

Tea time do be nice

[craggy pilot]

need 1 more renown for full Theotar 😄

[chilly brook]

Especially at the start of pridefuls

Or bosses

[uneven mason]

also there are times when you can make use of the Door removing roots/snares

[craggy pilot]

oh fuck im out of energy, can only put 1 thing into theotar 🤦‍♂️

[uneven mason]

RIP

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern hi is warrior the best tank ? https://clips.twitch.tv/IcyBombasticSoybeanYouDontSay-1YABAaVFd82itk5k

[chilly brook]

You're late on the meme

Smh

[wooden radish]

im never late

its never too late to troll @ionic fern

[chilly brook]

Nah u late

[craggy pilot]

but what is the idea behind Ashen+Harrowing conduits?

are they better than the Clap conduit?

[chilly brook]

Eh

I'd go with ashen

It'll be more useful tbh harrowing kinda sucks

Clap conduit is meh

[uneven mason]

IDK why they nerfed Harrowing

it was SO good

[craggy pilot]

Harrowing seems weird as fk lol, get more ST dmg when theres more enemies?

[chilly brook]

Cuz it was nuts on beta

[craggy pilot]

like when theres more enemies i dont click Condemn anyway 😄

[uneven mason]

So, keep in mind condemn is a raw reduction, so it scaling makes sense

Yeah but they like, 80% nerfed it

[chilly brook]

I mean really it'd be the pick for prot if you could cleave your condemn......

[uneven mason]

they could've just 50% Nerfed it and it would've been "Good" but not OP

[chilly brook]

Buuuut nooooo

[uneven mason]

They literally nerfed it because of fury

[chilly brook]

Condemn cleave when

[ionic fern]

Can't argue with the spinner..facts have been spoken.

[craggy pilot]

but man it feels weird picking a Potency Conduit when being Venthyr

they all suck poopoo

[uneven mason]

screw it lets go 110% In, COndemn now replaces WW/Thunderclap and applies the reduction to everything hit.

[craggy pilot]

@ionic fern thx for the route the other day 😄 almost scuffed my pull because we wiped on 1st boss by accidentily pulling a Plague guy 😄 but timed it anyway and got my KSM 💪

[uneven mason]

one of the main reasons I dropped venthyr, could go 100% without the potency slots and not notice

[chilly brook]

I wanna be a tree boi again

[ionic fern]

JEah, you have to tank the boss on the right side. Glad it worked out tho. 🙂

[craggy pilot]

ye i learned that after wiping the 1st time haha

rly wanna drop Venthyr, but its just so good for Arena right now 😦

[ionic fern]

Isn't AA better for Arenas?

[craggy pilot]

NF?

dont think so

[uneven mason]

They all have their uses

AA has the disappointment of being avoidable

but AA does chunk much harder

[craggy pilot]

Built for War seems kinda good with Draven tho

[uneven mason]

if you want to just have someone dead

you slap AA during avatar

[craggy pilot]

perm 4% bonus str 🤔

[uneven mason]

and if it crits they'll probably just die

[craggy pilot]

AA during Avatar + Warbreaker

[uneven mason]

yeah that too ( warbreaker is without saying)

[craggy pilot]

but the pressure + sticky power of Condemn + Death Sentence

literally 50% of people are Venthyr now, rest 50% are Kyrian

but Kyrian becoming less and less by the minute

[uneven mason]

people have learned how to juke it

spear only good when it hits

But yeah I do admit

[craggy pilot]

ye spear is a fucking shit ability

[uneven mason]

the first time I Killed a resto druid through their paladins BoP

[craggy pilot]

unless u vs Melee cleave

ye hahahaha that is amazing 😄

[uneven mason]

was quite satisfying

[craggy pilot]

people bop and like "i just kill him anyway"

[uneven mason]

"Shadowxcute bitch!"

[craggy pilot]

just sucks when they BOP and im at 0 rage 😦

https://raider.io/characters/tw/nightsong/Arnold#season=season-sl-1

like wtf is this talent build tho 🤔

Booming + Crackling

[uneven mason]

that being said

AA will also kill people thrugh BoP

its raw nature

[craggy pilot]

and Into the Fray

oh maybe this talent setup is for Raid nvm

[uneven mason]

Crackling

[craggy pilot]

that explains the Harrowing + Ashen

[uneven mason]

is never part of a build

such a useless talent

[craggy pilot]

you dont rly need the leap in raid tho?

[lament cloak]

w

[uneven mason]

leap is better than the other 2

Only time I swap that is like, maybe hunts

[plush tendon]

If condemn cleaved.... ya boi would drop the simp banner in a instant

[uneven mason]

Give us fury WW

give prot a reason to press it

remove TC

[plush tendon]

Or just tie it to thunderclap

[craggy pilot]

could you make a spicy WW build with this and Ravager? 😄

[uneven mason]

remove TC, make WW that button

[plush tendon]

Thunderclap "makes next two abilities cleave to 5 targets"

[craggy pilot]

2 abiilties seems a bit much

maybe 1 is enough

[uneven mason]

No Bladestorm stuff doesn't work with Prot ravager

[craggy pilot]

ah fk

[uneven mason]

different spell ID

[plush tendon]

I think we just fixed Thunderclap bois

[uneven mason]

also WW hits for so little

[plush tendon]

Make it let the next ability cleave

[uneven mason]

No because TC would still feel like barf to press

[plush tendon]

ya, but imagine a unstoppable force, Thunderclap, condemn, thunderclap, condemn

[uneven mason]

Nooooooooooo

[plush tendon]

YESSSSs

[uneven mason]

I Never want to return to UF builds until they make TC 300% AP again, and uncap it

[plush tendon]

Oh, of course,

[craggy pilot]

just saw a guy doing +15 with a 186 prot warr

[plush tendon]

Uncap melee, make thunderclap clap again

[craggy pilot]

while i did +15 as 215 and felt the sweat :<

[plush tendon]

we just saved the game guys, congrats!

someone tell ion

[signal plover]

Or don't

[sterile moss]

heh, we also ruined the game for other tanks

[signal plover]

UF is a trash playstyle

Don't @ me

[craggy pilot]

is Disturb the Peace any good?

[sterile moss]

nah

[wooden radish]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goon-prize-wheel-wheel-of-excuses-excuses-no-gif-14618546

[craggy pilot]

18s CD if u do Disturb the Peace + Rumbling Earth

[light thicket]

Rallying cry conduit feels a lot more helpful

[sterile moss]

shockwave is underwhelming, since its duration is so short and it DRs everyone else's cc. That's why you take storm bolt over rumbling

[craggy pilot]

ah makes sense ty

[plush tendon]

I wouldn't say we ruined the game for everyone else.... we were just having more fun then everyone else XD

[light thicket]

If you are into all that "being a good teammate" crap

[sterile moss]

hey it's a self-heal too

[plush tendon]

I now want to try Condemn prot.... but I dont want to regrind renown for like a third time : ^)

[craggy pilot]

it sucks 😄

dont do it

only good for raid

heard my prot warr say in raid yesterday that he doesnt even click Condemn

and i cried a little bit

[plush tendon]

What a shame

But if I want to get the 40 renown dream on all Covs I might as well at some point

[craggy pilot]

i rly hope they open up more covenant switching soon

i wanna Venthyr PvP and NF PVE cmon

[plush tendon]

I want to have necrolord version of Ancient Aftershock

[uneven mason]

legit take SB because its a ranged interrupt that can stop you from eating a 45k necrobolt to the anus

[plush tendon]

Or, call for the trees/stone boi

😄

[uneven mason]

if only I was that lucky to always have shm or boom

my M+ runs look like they're out of legion

[plush tendon]

we had 3 boomies in one dungeon before

was funny as heck XD

[uneven mason]

monk dk rogue

[plush tendon]

That wouldve been a great comp in BFA to

but we in SL now, and melee is being oppressed 😦

I will say though, I feel safest when there are two melee in my M+ groups; for some reason range abject to doing interrupts or using their hard cc

[uneven mason]

"I have to stop casting WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"

[small marsh]

Ikari when did you switch to mage??????

[fiery gust]

any tank main wanna explain some +15 routes to me

[obtuse yoke]

sup

[fiery gust]

just specced tank now and need to know some lil tips for making routes

[obtuse yoke]

what routes did u have questions on

[plush tendon]

The raiderio routes are generally a good place to start; dont do anything fancy, and dont do any tricky skips unless you have a reliable way to do it, or do it again

[fiery gust]

just in general

[jagged bramble]

does thunderclap/revenge have an targetcap?

[fiery gust]

i could have u give me yours or some tips

raiderio routes?

they come wiht pre made ones?

[sweet summit]

no had cap, no

[obtuse yoke]

have you done a lot of +15s before @fiery gust ? any spec not just tank

[fiery gust]

yea as fire mage but just for ksm

[plush tendon]

Yea, the man himself, Dratnos posts routes and does a weekly video explaining the current week

[fiery gust]

came back to war because that was my main

[obtuse yoke]

if you've done the dungeons before then you inherently know some decent routes already too

[fiery gust]

was 2800 casual during bfa

[plush tendon]

https://raider.io/news?tag=weekly-route

[fiery gust]

just for funzies but bfa was easy

[obtuse yoke]

the r.io weekly routes are good to follow too

[fiery gust]

ill check those out then

[torn stump]

does Reprisal make charge generate 20 additional rage, or just also make intervene grant 20 rage

[fiery gust]

cheers lads

[plush tendon]

yea, good place to start and adjust for your group or what you like to do

[signal plover]

Additional

[fiery gust]

i just want to push my score

been slacking since the start

and get some gear

[torn stump]

ty

[small marsh]

Are the icy veins routes the same as the rio ones?

Those are what I've been using previously but if they suck I gotta switch lol

[signal plover]

Do you get prides for bosses/hard packs?

Do you get mob count without overpulling?

[fiery gust]

ah ye these rio things are good

ty

[small marsh]

Usually yeah

[signal plover]

Then you're good

[small marsh]

I fuck up bosses sometimes which I hate

[lyric relic]

some of the icy ones are sketch

[torn stump]

you should also assume your dps will body pull something and fuck up your perfectly planned pride timing

because they are assholes

[lyric relic]

rio is fine for most cases, but there’s small niche stuff that should be considered

[obtuse yoke]

dps love to body pull in plaguefall

[signal plover]

Just remember most generic routes are good starting points for like mid level/KSM keys

[plush tendon]

Yea, sometimes the route gets thrown out the window, and its time to improvise XD

[signal plover]

After that you make group-specific adjustments

[lyric relic]

not sure if it got changed, but an example is tyrannical halls routes for icy and raider io didnt give you pride for 2nd boss

little stuff like that

but for the most part raider ios route are solid. just be open minded and willing to modify routes to suit you better as well

[signal plover]

Io hoa route prides 2nd boss now so idk

[lyric relic]

another example is spires — I believe suggested routes have you spawning pride the pack before ventunax, but after ONE mob is killed

[signal plover]

Yeh that one was weird

[lyric relic]

I don’t think the skip route does for halls yet

[obtuse yoke]

you can do the typical pug routes up to +20s for most of the dungeons

[lyric relic]

but that’s good that the no skip does now

[signal plover]

Haven't done the skip one so you're prolly right.

[lyric relic]

who needs routes when you can just mdi pull 20% five times

[torn stump]

when a dps asks you to do a massive pull

it means they plan on not interrupting anything

so they can tunnel harder

trust no one

[lyric relic]

I’ve been pulling almost all of ardenweald while farming valor and it’s been very exhilarating

[uneven mason]

Then they can call you crap when you died to 247 shadowbolts to your bung

yeah ❤️ Ardenweald - big melee packs omnomnom

[lyric relic]

reprisal is tons of fun with that

[plush tendon]

the first 20% is deadly

[torn stump]

but they will 100% interrupt every etherdiver in spires when you are trying to shockwave sync them for a fatty spell reflect

[plush tendon]

the last 80% big gains

[remote tusk]

I'm standing right next to my target. Blizzard!!!

[signal plover]

There's a line on the floor in the way

[remote tusk]

:O

[signal plover]

Maybe even 3 of em tbh

[torn stump]

everyone knows you have to hop across tiles

[signal plover]

Try jumping

[torn stump]

if you dont land in the middle of a tile every hop

you have to reroll

[upbeat needle]

how the f do people deal properly with pride on 20+ keys? Just failed two, both not on boss or mobs, but fucking pride. Even with a mage combusting pride it just wipes on grivious lol

[mighty egret]

you need more then just a combust for a pride at that level

you need at least 2 major cooldowns saved for a pride

be it a heal cd + dps cd or 2 dps cds

[obtuse yoke]

on grievous weeks def need 2 CDs for pride

but non grievous weeks ur fine with only combust

this week lowkey kinda trap 😦

[spring mountain]

^ certain bosses this week suck

I wouldn't even look at plaguefall much past a 19

First and last are big grievous traps, along with SD

[uneven mason]

last boss PF on grevious ><

[spring mountain]

Sanguine depths is appalling this week, all 4 bosses are hell for healers on grievous.

[north rampart]

Im a noob whats the issue?

[spring mountain]

The infectious rain

[stuck oriole]

when you run reprisal are you still running bolster?

or does anyone have talents for reprisal

[dense gate]

Do we pull the dragon in ardenweald or is that still a bear pull

[north rampart]

Which dungeons are going to be hard nextweek that i should try get done for ksm this week for? And vice versa which dungeon should i skip this week and pick up nextweek?

[light thicket]

I run Anger Management

Cause you kinda got the shield block gaps covered

You dont need bolster anymore

[acoustic apex]

Ive been running the same and was literally just coming here to ask about it lolol

[uneven mason]

this week is gonna be obnoxious with most healers

[light thicket]

I got a PF 15 on time last week

I was so happy to never having to do that dungeon again

[obtuse yoke]

you can get a 15 on all weeks imo, especially with higher io gamers tryna farm dungeons for loot/valor

[mild ruin]

ive switched covs anyway for me to get conduit energy as i have literally not got a single one, i cant put any conduits in even empty slots

[signal plover]

You can't "get" conduit energy afaik. It's a passive gain of one every 24 (maybe 12) hours

Bit surprised that you start at 0 when u switch covs tho.

[median copper]

Signet is decent legendary for tanking, lmao love it that I can play all 3 specs with one legendary

[chilly brook]

Eh

I wouldn't call signet decent

Imho

[median copper]

For +15 keys it is enough

[chilly brook]

For 15 keys you dont need a covenant or a legendary

[median copper]

XD

[chilly brook]

You can play a jacked up talent tree and do 15s

[median copper]

Well i tank my weeklys with signet, there comes my comment

Exactly almost always forgot to change conduits

[chilly brook]

A prot specific lego really doesn't require that much

[median copper]

But im curious about the new OP prot legendary

[chilly brook]

Some small gold up front and one reset of torghast

[median copper]

Is it as good as it looks

[chilly brook]

Tbh reprisal isn't OP

[uneven mason]

"OP"

[median copper]

Yeah

Guess not

[uneven mason]

Its OP only in a vacuum formed by the uselessness of our other legendaries

[signal plover]

OP is the same as "good" nowadays anyway

[uneven mason]

When compared to like, legitimately most other tank legos, its enough to make you cry.

"Oh, OP but still worse than the paladin druid and VDH legendaries? Seems legit"

Druid lego - if Revenge gave us a shield for 75% of the dmg we deal with it

VDH lego - if we got SW every minute, it applied a DoT to everything that htis us and we get a bubble for a % of damage we delt while it was active.

Paladin - if we could fire 5 ravagers

But sure having 80+ % uptime on SB is OP....

[chilly brook]

I'm gonna be the broken record here

[uneven mason]

NO thats my job

you're fury now

a Furry Fury

[chilly brook]

But a legendary that just buffs what we're already good at but doesn't really offer any extra to shore up our weaknesses is meh

And that's reprisal

[uneven mason]

Also The Wall

[median copper]

Wall is garbage

[uneven mason]

Also...wait, we've run out of functional legos

Wall is boring

but strong

[chilly brook]

Wall isn't garbage lmao

[median copper]

So ye use signet

[chilly brook]

Tf

[uneven mason]

Boring != garbage

[chilly brook]

Shield Wall itself actually covers weaknesses

[median copper]

^^

[chilly brook]

Like The Wall may be boring

But imho it's perfectly fine

[median copper]

Well forgot about the real OP legendary for prot - leaper

[signal plover]

That means "(not)=" fyi

[uneven mason]

Some folks just don't code

[signal plover]

Leaper would be better if it instantly gave the 2 charges

[uneven mason]

also if heroic leap knocked down all targets in our landing area

add that to leaper

[median copper]

Imagine that

[uneven mason]

and I'd swap to that instantly for M+

[chilly brook]

The more time passes on

The more I want Legion prot back

Gib warbringer back

Stun on charge plz

Non DR too

[signal plover]

They added an earthquake effect for leap in torghast

I'd jam that if there was also a conduit that added a knockdown effect like AA has

[median copper]

Mm just started playing wow in bfa season 4. Prot felt strong and now its worst. How has the history been for prots compared to other tanks

[odd plaza]

i'll be honest, im still getting crushed on keys...

[signal plover]

What level keys?

[remote tusk]

@signal plover They added everything to make a Leapquake build like the Might of the Earth set in Diablo III, but sadly, I've already done endless so making it a full build is tough.

[signal plover]

Yeh just like

Gib outside of torghast

[remote tusk]

xD

It's great as fury, take legendary + power

Endless Leaping

[odd plaza]

just like 7-9s im only ilvl 205

[chilly brook]

Gods in vanilla, still really good in TBC, not as great in Wrath, omegalul block cap in Cata, top dps and omegalul self sustain in Mists, nerfed into the ground in WoD, badass in Legion, Thunder Gods in BFA, and now we here

[quiet geode]

whats a good prot build for M+?

[sweet summit]

thats a good talent build with reprisal in m+

[median copper]

Thankyou alot for this 😄 seems like prots have legendary history

[quiet geode]

Thanks @sweet summit

[median copper]

Mists prot 🥰

[spring umbra]

soooooo brand new to tanking... pretty sure i just saw a tank in a +22 leap over 2 mobs, clap mid air to grab threat, and land on 2 other mobs ... jfc is that a thing?

[sweet summit]

yea

[spring umbra]

lmao gd i have a lot to learn

pretty slick though

[chilly brook]

Kinda a super niche thing

[sweet summit]

mistly for like first pull dos

kinda pulls

and hoa

[spring umbra]

yea he did it in HOA on the side pulls at start

yea ^

[light thicket]

Lol i forgot BSC existed

Gotta try that shit with reprisal

[spring umbra]

noted for dos. I started as a newb with paly and then switched after i saw the buffs. Not nearly as easy to pick up threat initially but feels a lot more fun imo

[spice yacht]

Can I ask a very dumb question Has anyone played both NF and Kyrian as prot? What are your thoughts I am Kyrian atm and IDK NF is looking pretty nice.

[shrewd bronze]

Shoulder for The Wall?

[sweet summit]

NF is more damage
kyrian has phial

wall on shoulders yeah

[plush tendon]

There are a bunch fairy prot warriors around these parts. They love the big AA damage

[shrewd bronze]

Ty ty

[fiery gust]

god damn im squishy XD

have to kite like fck

[shrewd bronze]

Haste Versa?

[sweet summit]

thats the safe bet yeah

[fiery gust]

not good

[signal plover]

I'm emotionally attached to my steward, phial, and not* farming max renown again, so I stay comfy in kyrian

[shrewd bronze]

Thanks Erga

[spice yacht]

the AA dmg is nice, but phial is super nice too. its a hard desion

[fiery gust]

i dont have tank trinkets either yet

[sweet summit]

link logs tomwadderz?

[fiery gust]

how

[sweet summit]

wait i have a great copypasta i stole from bear chat

[light thicket]

Syla got my back since i got here

Not gonna leave her hanging

[plush tendon]

You cant go wrong with either. I will say there are a lot of NF out there already so if you want to fill a dungeon buff go for the lesser played of the two. I personally swapped away from Kyrian to Necrolord, and I dont miss spear or Pelagos

[sweet summit]

How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :

🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)

Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.

🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.

🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.

thanks catha

[signal plover]

At this Ilvl you should be able to complete those keys. Take a peak at the icy veins guide and see if you notice any conflict between what it says and what you're doing.

Most likely you're mis managing shield block and sitting on rage/defensives by not playing proactively.

[spice yacht]

true enough, spear is nice, I almost went Necrolord, almost

[plush tendon]

I like it. I wont go back to Kyrian from Necrolord. However, I am tempted to try the NF hype

[dark plover]

do we stack versa

[plush tendon]

haste>vers>crit>mastery generally

[spice yacht]

Thats where I am at too, and since I OS to arms and nf with EB is simming higher atm. Its like double hype

[plush tendon]

Ilevel most important

[light thicket]

Ilvl first of all

[uneven mason]

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