protection

[solid sun]

in which slot should I get reprisal?

[mighty valley]

legs, unless you want to get the mythic SLG legs

[solid sun]

idk if I will get that far lol

[signal plover]

just do legs

even if u get M SLG legs late, there's no guarantee that next tier will have high ilvl legs

[unique shale]

ok here is new discussion with my haste i have good uptime on SB so why would i go for reprisal ?

[signal plover]

are you already running AM?

reprisal gets you 85% effective SB uptime while running BSC and AM for dam

[unique shale]

no i feel more comfortable with Bolster in pugs

[signal plover]

well that's why you'd run reprisal tho

[mighty valley]

reprisal will let you feel comfortable with AM in pugs lol

[solid sun]

what is AM and BSC?

[unique shale]

i just use Bolster for self healing

[mighty valley]

Anger Management, Best Served Cold, talents

[solid sun]

Ah

[signal plover]

you dont lose last stand if you talent off bolster

just has a bit of a longer CD

[unique shale]

hmm i think i have to get used to it without it

[signal plover]

reprisal feels spazzy for the first few keys but once you get the timing of it it starts to feel really good because you have much more avatar uptime and retain most of the SW CDR that you'd get with wall

[unique shale]

i used reprisal but i so used to 25 rage on SS

[mighty valley]

you save so much rage with reprisal if you get in the habit of using it

the free revenge + bonus rage

[signal plover]

not to mention your opener on each pack is much stronger

and safer

[solid sun]

Never Surrender or Indomitable?

[mighty valley]

Indom

[signal plover]

indom always

[unique shale]

Indomitable

[signal plover]

itf = raid, ravager = m+

[solid sun]

makes sense

[meager locust]

Best serve cold simming better than booming now?!? I guess all the revenge procs huh

Booming is great for tnw though to be honest i did average 5k dps with the weapons in tnw lol

[mighty valley]

I thought damage buffs weren't meant to work on non-class stuff

[glossy needle]

Any bosses in SL dungeons where its worth using shattering throw?

[solid sun]

how about conduits, does this looks good?

[gentle notch]

Replace the ignore pain one with a potency conduit

[solid sun]

but I just got it as 226 '-'

[amber herald]

icebound aegis on last boss of NW

blood barrier on hakkar

and idk if it's worth it but I do it

[meager locust]

ist worth, or those meat horror that does shield if u didnt inturrup

[glossy needle]

How much dmg is it roughly into barriers?

Like 2 shield slams worth?

[amber herald]

I'm not sure, 2 shield slams

or maybe an execute crit

you do see the shield chunk down

[gentle notch]

Yeah execute crit I would say

[amber herald]

reminder that aegis happens just before comet storm so you have to time it

don't be standing there casting and get blasted

[gentle notch]

Just spell reflect it!

https://tenor.com/view/use-your-head-think-gif-7716607

[sick marsh]

LF TANK FOR +13 SOA :'(((((

[rough needle]

shattering throw does like 10-12k

it is always worth using against hakkar and nalthor, try to get the timing down so you're casting it when they're about to shield/casting shield

[spark mortar]

Prot brothers - question for you - this is Le Vault for the week and for the first time i'm conflicted.
Just got a 220 Shield from Denath and I have a 207 Emitter and Heraldry already. Thoughts?

[vague jetty]

Go shield

100%

[torpid zealot]

Is heroic Denathrius supposed to hurt real bad?

[unique shale]

shield 6 ilvl is huge

[tardy parcel]

Yes. Particularly Phase 3. With gear, he's started to just kind of hit like a wet noodle in Phase 1, but there is potential for some scuffy moments in Phase 2.

[signal plover]

i always pop SW when we go through mirror cuz he gets some juicy back hits

also let your healers know not to neglect the non-active tank in P3 since scorn hurts a bit.

taunt swaps happen pretty quick in P3 but its a very scripted phase so the rhythm is easy to settle into

[torpid zealot]

How many stacks of Scorn do you usually keep?

4-6?

[signal plover]

yeah you can go lower but he can actually go taunt immune

[torpid zealot]

!

Really?!

[signal plover]

generally it's pretty safe to taunt when debuff falls off (which is usually 4-6 depending on if you taunt durin the combo)

[torpid zealot]

Right

[signal plover]

i'd just aim for taunt when debuff gone

[tardy parcel]

This was the cause of more than a fair share of tank deaths in p3 for my guild before we had it comfortably figured out, and it irked me and my co-tank every time lol. I strongly agree with saying something about it to the healers early

[signal plover]

it still gives us anxiety on carry runs lol

half our healers DPS parsin n we're like...plz gib helth

[vestal moat]

is prot better for main tanking or off tanking sludge or does it not matter

[woeful cypress]

it is better to main tank by pulling agro off your step tank to demoralize them.

[haughty sleet]

How can I see my effective shield block time in logs?

[empty spindle]

It’s hairy when your running through the mirrors that’s where it can get hairy

[jaunty vector]

Did they change anything to HoA over the last month or so? been having a hard time with it lately in higher keys

[spark mortar]

I know that feel. I have definitely been slapped in the back of the head by Denathrius. After the first few "O shit" moments I started to just pop a CD as I go through the mirror.

[dapper coral]

If I swap to a covenant today, can I start working back towards my previous immediately? Or do I have to wait til reset?

[mighty egret]

65% uptime on sludge using reprisal

sounds pretty good to me

[void moat]

Does anyone know if you can use Kyrian Spear in Spires of Ascention on Pride mobs?

[mighty egret]

yes u can

unless it was changed

[distant crystal]

@jaunty vector the MC'd gargoyles do way less dmg now

If you're using them heavy it's a p significant dps nerf to your group, otherwise not much that I can think of

[lusty marsh]

tfw you go seismic on sun king and still don't rank 1.

[sweet summit]

Blame the healers

[tired cove]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/26#boss=2399&class=Warrior&spec=Protection i did it, thanks homies

[jagged pier]

Dat bad if your using reprisal on sludge on a bad pull it show be 85% blocked hits if its a normal pull 95+% blocked hits

[stuck oriole]

What leggos are you guys run ing for m+? It still the thinderclap one?

[jagged pier]

reprisal

[surreal birch]

If he hits the combo I just taunt before his last hit (6th stack on other tank), but I have stupid pally tank in my guild who don't gets it and uses fucking bubble when I taunt the boss sadge

[surreal birch]

The Wall, still waiting for all nerfs to settle down to craft 4th 225

[chilly brook]

I still prefer The Wall over Reprisal

Lots of people like Reprisal tho

[sweet summit]

Doubt reprisal is getting nerfed

[chilly brook]

TL kinda ded

Tbh

[sweet summit]

🦀

[chilly brook]

I wish it was better though

Imho if they buffed it back to pre nerf from beta itd be better than reprisal

And it would go further to fixing our actual problem area

But that's my 2 cents

[sweet summit]

TL?

[chilly brook]

Yep

I'd take much higher uptime on DS than more block

Blockable damage doesnt scare me

And if we had prenerf TL itd be nuts

[sweet summit]

Ok now im confused

[jagged pier]

cant wait for 2 leggos

the wall and reprisal

20 secs cd on SW

yes please

[sweet summit]

Blockable damage doesnt scare you, so why would you not have higher block uptime?

[chilly brook]

How so?

Blockable damage isn't normally the issue in m+, it's non blockable stuff. Bleeds, casts etc.

[sweet summit]

Yeah

[chilly brook]

More uptime on DS helps alleviate that

Hence why I wish we had beta TL

[sweet summit]

Yeah ok i agree to some extent

[chilly brook]

Plus it doesn't feel like ass to play

[sweet summit]

Reprisal lowkey fun tho

[chilly brook]

I dont like it

[sweet summit]

Honestly

[chilly brook]

[sweet summit]

Didnt change a lot for me

Except using intervene a lot more now

[jagged pier]

opinion disccusion time for the gif

https://giphy.com/gifs/discussion-fandom-opinion-5XNEIKcohVG8w

[chilly brook]

But yes I'm coming at the legendary selection from a perspective of I wish we had some that helped out in areas of weakness instead of trying to just make what we're already good at better

[jagged pier]

fix base class instead of borrowed power

[sweet summit]

Borrowed power is class

Wdym

🤡

[jagged pier]

i dont want it

[chilly brook]

I agree

But also

We got what we got

And they like fixing through borrowed power and not changing the class until beta

[low heron]

What is the current thinking on reprisal slot

[jagged pier]

legs

[low heron]

I'd assume that legs are the play

[jagged pier]

unless u can get mythic SLG legs

[low heron]

but I see a lot of top players playing feet

[jagged pier]

'unless u can get mythic SLG legs'
☝️

[low heron]

makes sense

[dark plover]

Show feet

[ornate oracle]

Hey, I just started prot a few weeks ago and I'm starting to tank keys. First time tanking, so its been fun.

Anyway, someone recommended I go seismic reverberation as my lego... I'm currently using reprisal and its doing okay. Is seismic even good?

[ionic fern]

Seismic is good for lower keys where damage intake is not a problem but if you are just starting our and learning tanking then a more defensive option would probably be better.
In general The Wall is easier to play with but Reprisal should be the "go-to" for most people.

[ornate oracle]

I was gonna use the wall for raids when i get that far.

Honestly, even though its my first time ever tanking and playing prot, reprisal is fun AF imo

[ionic fern]

Then keep on playing Reprisal. 🙂

[ornate oracle]

Solid! Thanks amigo, appreciate it

[crisp dragon]

Can you do Twisting corridors for legendaries?

[jagged pier]

yus

[crisp dragon]

I just realized I somehow do not have Reprisal even though I've definitely done upper reaches

[jagged pier]

go into layer 3

reroll it till u get upper reaches

rince and repeat till u get the boss

[crisp dragon]

nvm, I put it in my back like a retard

Thanks tho Jakey, you know you're my man

[glacial skiff]

Reprisal is really easy to play with if you do two things. Use raid style party frames or get a UI like grid etc, install clique, bind intervene to a button you use easily and just hover over party frame to intervene to friend when needed.

You can even kinda use it to generate a bunch of rage and HP if needed in dire situations too by intervening to ranged, then charging back in and just spending the close to 100 rage you’ll have then

[jagged pier]

just around to help

[crisp dragon]

My companions also just clutched a lvl 60 mission for soul ash, else I would be down like 50 ash to make 235 Reprisal

[jagged pier]

made signet this morning as i did a key as dps last night and got sad i didnt have it

[round scarab]

Personally using a heal harm mouse over macro for charge and intervene

Saves keybinds and makes it pretty easy to get the most out of reprisal

[sand condor]

Prot signet

Why can our Ravager not work

[jagged pier]

might use it in boost runs tbf

did soem on tuesday was pumping the 5+k

[sand condor]

Did we try mass bug reports to blizzard yet?

[jagged pier]

its not broken difference spell id

[sweet summit]

Because ravager isnt bladestorm

Arms ravager is bladestorm

Prot ravager is ravager

[sand condor]

But..we want prot signet

Or well

I

I want it

[sweet summit]

Its the highest simming lego for me atm

:^)

[sand condor]

I do enjoy ranfomly spinning

[jagged pier]

@sand condor reprisal sludge comming soon

[sand condor]

That’s pretty pog in m+

Ahw yee jake

[sweet summit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vN5Cz5uL9pQkmQ2mGch4hz

[sand condor]

We got stuvk oun reclearing coincil

[sweet summit]

Signet 📈

[sand condor]

😦

[jagged pier]

when the range can learn to break the last chain so we dont get early chrage

and for them not to die

[sand condor]

Wow I cannot type

[jagged pier]

early on

we kill

[sand condor]

Nice

My dps still have to figure out how soaking works

And am getting paired with ANOTHER co tank

Woo

[sweet summit]

A 4th one?

[sand condor]

A 5th

[strong forum]

You sure that the sim accounts that our ravager doesn't proc signet

[sweet summit]

I dont know

[strong forum]

Sim without rav

[sand condor]

[strong forum]

I'm curious

If you lose like 200+ dps

[jagged pier]

oh @strong forum it worked thanks

[sand condor]

Anyways today I hope we get to4th pillar with more tham 3 people

Oh that mog

[strong forum]

Fakin copy cat

[sand condor]

Is pog

Wait

[strong forum]

But grats

[sand condor]

Dod you go fury to mog it to artifact weapon?

[jagged pier]

i study from the best

[jagged pier]

nah theres a little scumaz go to hammer of justice discord tmog channel and look at the pins

[strong forum]

But 🤫

[jagged pier]

yer shush

[sweet summit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bJp3JM3pkbf1dMz4HydvRG

ItF is -48

[remote tusk]

bruh

[sweet summit]

So nah

[sand condor]

Jake...

[strong forum]

Interesting

[sand condor]

How dare you

[jagged pier]

also sad times if we kill sludge i may have to give the tmog of chest away

[jagged pier]

its 130 ilvl

i lvl everything

but dont play them 🤷

got to get the mission tables ticking over for the gold

[willow sedge]

ogey

[sand condor]

Heresy

I got passed on for 4 pieces I won last night

Cus the hpal we’re gearing got them all

But that does probably mean I’m getting a main tank spot

So sacrifices

[alpine ravine]

what are you venthyr for?

[sand condor]

Single target slapping probably

[alpine ravine]

how does venthyr even work

[sand condor]

You press condemn instead of ignore pain

[sweet summit]

Dps main in raids

Its just an improved execute

Still a spender

[sand condor]

I was. Too and now im nf cus I don’t care

[alpine ravine]

what about in m+

[sweet summit]

So not ideal

[alpine ravine]

would you say venthyr or kyrian

for damage

[sweet summit]

For damage id go night fae

But kyrian>venthyr

Trying necrolord this and next week

Then probably going kyrian

[ionic fern]

APL was adjusted to Revenge more, IP less and for Venthyr they don't use IP anymore in Execute phases.

[graceful cobalt]

hi what is better for M+ haste/Versa or Versa/Haste? I can push me to 19% haste and 28%versa or even 21%haste and 22% versa. But mostly i run RND and i have the feeling that they don´t get healed me ( SB and IP is all time up)

[orchid frigate]

did i read something here about a list of pwar streamers?

[surreal sinew]

yeah think a lsit was added to the pins, haven't checked yet

[ebon hound]

Yessir, Mwahi added some to the Prot Faq's in #268491842637660160

[orchid frigate]

thanks!

think this guy could be added? https://www.twitch.tv/tattman

[ebon hound]

[orchid frigate]

ah

missed that

i blame that its morning

[raven turret]

Hi guys, does the mythic plus talent build change when going from thunderlord to reprisal?

[ebon hound]

I swap from Booming to BSC

[ionic fern]

BV to BSC
Bolster to AM

[raven turret]

cool thank you, is there any value in taking double time or bounding stride

[ionic fern]

Bounding Stride is already a default in m+ for many people.

Double Time does gain some value with Reprisal but you will be losing a ST stun from Storm Bolt so use your own judgement there.

I prefer to run DT the vast majority of people are running Storm Bolt.

[orchid frigate]

how is VDH damage compared to pwar damage atm?

[surreal sinew]

more meta

but pwar is solid

[raven turret]

great thanks for the help, is the play style with reprisal charging in and then intervening our and then charging back in again? basically what im saying is do you want to by using the reprisal proc on charge and intervene CD

out*

[mellow gorge]

it'd be best if you had another melee in your team

so you don't intervene out of combat

[ionic fern]

IV will have a update soon regarding Reprisal usage in m+ but in short:
Charge in->SB (to get one charge of SB on CD asap).

Use Intervene on a melee player so you do not move the enemies too much - Be sure to position yourself in a way that you do not rush through the pack of enemies you are fighting or you risk getting hit in the back.

To Charge mid combat use:
Heroic Leap->Charge
Shockwave -> run out -> Charge - Not always doable as stuns DR.
Soulshape -> Charge
Intervene to a ranged->Charge - this will lose you one 50% damage Revenge tho

[mellow gorge]

Oh, how will IV be changed?

[ionic fern]

I just added explanation in the m+ section for Reprisal usage/talents etc .
It should be updated soon.

[mellow gorge]

Ah alright

[jagged pier]

fear -> run out -> charge

[sand condor]

My group was actually surprised at my dps last night

Nf + Rav + Bsc

[ionic fern]

Fear is kinda iffy tho. 😦

[sand condor]

Top kek

[ionic fern]

Since it brakes so easily.

[jagged pier]

i always start running before i use it

[raven turret]

Thank you @ionic fern

[strong forum]

Oh kek, my group once pugged this tattman when I refused to do a key

[jagged pier]

seems to work most of the time

[strong forum]

[orchid frigate]

i get the song scatman in my head thanks to his name

[sand condor]

Lmao

[ionic fern]

Smh..Covenant campaigns account wide when

[sand condor]

Torghast Logs

[ionic fern]

JEah, but i got tiny dwarf legs.

[sand condor]

Aye

Dark iron or regular iron

[ionic fern]

DID

[orchid frigate]

hmm seems like bigdebuffs and elvui unitframes is fixed

[smoky wave]

Is it just me finding reprisal frustrating? It's not the actual use of it, that's obnoxious but kinda entertaining, but finding all my movement shit on CD when I want to use it feels horrible.

[ionic fern]

Probably not only you.
It takes some getting used to and thinking ahead.

E.g if i know i have to kite i'll save Heroic Leap.

And just make use of INtervene etc

• i'm NF so i also got Soulshape.

👀

[smoky wave]

Then it feels bad then that I'm not getting as much out of the lego as I could be.

[ionic fern]

It's not like you save HEroic Leap for everything o.o

There's some specific packs you end up kiting.

[strong forum]

Work hard, play harder

[ionic fern]

ANd you should know them more or less.

• just the base Charge and Intervene on CD is usually enough.

Especially if not running DT.

[smoky wave]

Mostly. It's when something goes wrong I find I don't have the tools I normally use to deal with it

[ionic fern]

Jeah, i get that. It can be frustrating.

I don't find myself Heroic Leaping a lot in dungeons for Charge tho.

There's usually a caster in the pack anyways that stands still.

So i just step like 2 steps back and charge to them

[smoky wave]

Not giving up stormbolt 😅 can we have gag order back please? Then I'd consider it.

[strong forum]

This

Gotta use your head on some packs

[smoky wave]

Mmm, I'll keep at it. Still only managed 1 15 timed so far. Getting super tempted to jump ship to bear but don't think I actually could do it

[ionic fern]

Warriors is in a really good spot right now.

Just keep on going. 🙂

It'll get better.

[merry sparrow]

Hi guys been playing fury/arms so been venth, wanting to know with the necro changes if Nec or Kyra is best to change to for Raid focus and M+ in spare time 🙂

[sand condor]

if you prot as offspec no

[surreal sinew]

if it's just in your spare time you'll do fine as vent

[merry sparrow]

No sorry i meant i will be swapping to maining prot

just had the dps and the guilds shifted roles so i will be doing tanking 🙂

Sorry worded that real bad haha

[surreal sinew]

banner (necro) is only really viable in organised groups, plus you lose out on your own damage compared to other covs, still enjoying it personnally though

otherwise the go to is nf or kyrian

[strong forum]

Alot of people are switching off of necro

So there's that

[merry sparrow]

The necro looks really nice for when i raid with the Coord as you said but i think M+ might not carry the same power. Apprently the mastery can screw peoples timers tho with necro

as it throws their CD's out

[strong forum]

It's not as powerful as people hoped, overhyped it

You need to hold it very often to align it with others

It's just clunky

The gain isn't big enough to justify it outside of very specific scenarios imo

[merry sparrow]

Thinking Kyra is also just a safe option with the heal flask

[strong forum]

Has some good uses to facetank annoying packs more often

[sand condor]

i think necro is only very powerful if you've got super coordiantion

[brittle owl]

it's very "passable" at best

[ionic fern]

^

[brittle owl]

in arena though 👀

[ionic fern]

It's solid in dedicated groups but nothing ground breaking.

[brittle owl]

thas proper gouda

[ionic fern]

PvP is dead.

[brittle owl]

your hair is ded

[merry sparrow]

/cries

[ionic fern]

You really should find some better comebacks Mael.

That one's getting old.

[brittle owl]

sounds like some other thing

[merry sparrow]

Looks like you have a moehawk in that pic with the roof line xD

[brittle owl]

ngl

mwahi with a mohawk would look straight spiffing

[strong forum]

Mwahi cosplay when

[brittle owl]

[blazing condor]

TC is still kind of bad post-buff right

or rather - revenge is better aoe spam for sure

[brittle owl]

one builds rage

one spends rage

they are not really comparable

[blazing condor]

for damage its comparable : P

[brittle owl]

you'll almost never not press tc on cd though

[amber siren]

if you're asking if revenge now higher than TC in damage then yeah, but like Mael said, TC is still going to be used pretty much on CD all the same

[blazing condor]

yep of course

was just curious if the 20% dmg increase did anything

[amber siren]

from BSC? Yep

[brittle owl]

well, yeah

[strong forum]

It deals 20% more dmg!

[brittle owl]

^

[strong forum]

Prio is still the same

[blazing condor]

thanks thats what i was wondering

lmao

[strong forum]

TC on CD

[brittle owl]

o

mb then

[blazing condor]

nah i cant english

[brittle owl]

is owkei

[lyric relic]

meanwhile I’m hovering all my abilities to figure out which one is TC

cause I got 6am brain

[brittle owl]

theory crafter ofc

[blazing condor]

Taunt Cooldown

[brittle owl]

(it's thunder clap)

[lyric relic]

yeah I ended up realizing it after about 45 seconds of mouth breathing

[crisp dragon]

This is next level, on so many levels

[jagged pier]

https://giphy.com/gifs/culture--think-hmm-d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY

[strong forum]

Thermonuclear Catastrophe

[north rampart]

Highmountain tauren charge, charge.
Priest pull coz you about to die, charge.

[strong forum]

I wonder if HMT charge can stop you from getting exiled on NW last boss

Since force movement abilities can prevent you from getting gripped

Like lifegrip and warlock Portal

[north rampart]

I am going to keybind it somehere nice and start bullrushing more on CD

[dusky mica]

Probably drops you out of the map like it can on rogues dance

[north rampart]

Does it stop the HoA dogmasters from making their doggos go crazy?

[blazing condor]

anything that stuns should do it

[stable kernel]

wait you dont like giant friendly doggos

they just accidently claw u and u bleed

they just want hugs

[north rampart]

One of my dogs has a habit of doing the same thing, overexitable furball that she it

[wet compass]

https://tenor.com/view/milk-and-mocha-bear-couple-line-hug-cant-breathe-gif-12687187

[jagged pier]

[wet compass]

Pretty much hoa doggos

[noble jungle]

Ideally, where do you want to craft Reprisal. Legs or Feet?

[blazing condor]

legs - if you do mythic SLG you can craft feet since you can get 233 legs but for the long term its probably better to do legs

[verbal pelican]

err... i feel so embarrassed... i should stop playing prot and just go to smth simpler, like dk.. -_-

[jagged pier]

how come?

[verbal pelican]

Anyone else struggled on nalthor? 4th boss in NW. Like taking too much damage

[jagged pier]

you blocking?

[ionic fern]

Are you using SB?

[verbal pelican]

Yeah.. took me multiple runs of that place and multiple wipes to find out that i just need to keep up SB for the icy shard xD

[ionic fern]

Well..keeping SB up and dodging away from the storm is all you need to do in order to survive.

👀

Try not to waste a SB charge when he's about to cast the storm.

[dark mountain]

Wait

Is the Icy Shard physical?

Just went into the reflect guide

[lofty widget]

yes it is

gotta block that

[jagged pier]

always has been

🧑‍🚀 🔫 🧑‍🚀

[sand condor]

I looked at nalthor

Like he’s a budget jaina

[strong forum]

Literally jaina

The boss would be impossible for like 90% of tanks if it wasn't physical

[elfin nova]

It was impossible on beta when it was magic

Unless i made that up

Not sure

Is mythic slg hard on prot warrior? Compared to other bosses (or other tanks)

Both tank mechanics not being blockable sounds kinda rough

[gaunt dawn]

best tank for the fight

[elfin nova]

Because you take so much melee damage?

Or just because of intervene

Both i guess

Oh the goliath

That thing

Slaps my dh

Alright fair enough, checked log and it's 70%+ melee damage. pretty hard for the tank mechanics to be threatening if you just block all of the rest of the damage in the fight

[signal plover]

It was blockable physical in alpha when they first released wake so...

[sick sentinel]

Can someone explain socket as being a stat priority?

Wowhead making little sense.

[strong forum]

Count them as extra ilvl

[signal plover]

Gems are kinda weak atm so sockets are like 6 extra Ilvl?

[strong forum]

Depends on slot

[signal plover]

Yeh

[sick sentinel]

And ilvl gives you more stam?

[strong forum]

10-13ilvl on rings and neck, 7ilvl on wrists belt

3 ilvl on head

That's the worth of sockets

[signal plover]

More armor more primary stat

[strong forum]

Ilvl just gives you more stats

And more stats > better stats

[elfin nova]

@signal plover 🤡 ye i thought about it and realised i might have made that up

[signal plover]

Ayyyy

[sterile moss]

people think halls of atonement is easy... it's literally my least favorite dungeon

[strong forum]

It's easy if you're not the tank

[sterile moss]

[strong forum]

[raven turret]

HoA is running away from the dogs 90% of the time lol

[sterile moss]

I hate how the shard packs are spaced out and then dont move because they're casters

cant group them up

and then the dogs 🤮

[strong forum]

I hate that the shards don't allow you to do different routes.

[raven turret]

I do a decent amount of my runs with a friend that's a monk tank, man I am envious of ring of peace

[strong forum]

There is 200% trash in that dungeon

[sterile moss]

how about.. sigil of chains

[strong forum]

But 60% of the trash required to clear the dungeon is funneled into the shards

[fringe marten]

^

[strong forum]

So you don't actually have alot of room to work with in terms of pulls you wanna do cuz you're so hard forced into the fucking shards

[fringe marten]

I hate halls as well, for that reason..the pride timings on first boss/etc are so jank because you have to kill 80% of the dungeon before you touch him basically.

[raven turret]

yeah i pretty much always go for 80% completion at halkias and then invis skip up to the second boss

[spark mortar]

Except on non-Fortified weeks and then we wreck that shit with manly Shield Blocks.

[fringe marten]

I don't even hate the mobs that much; being dark iron dwarf and kyrian eliminates fear of the bleeds on the bears. There's tons of room for kiting (that I hate..but at least it's EASY in there).

In fact it's the casters that worry me more than any melee in there.

My usual route has a 4 caster pull before stealthing to second boss...yo it's dank.

[sterile moss]

and then the second boss is rough with the adds if they dont die fast

6 casters kek

[spark mortar]

Or if people don't stop attacking the adds to let them come into the center easier.

That's a hard lesson to learn in Halls as you get your ass beat into the ground.

[fringe marten]

Vang yeah that's what I do..wel it's 79.9% ? literally I think...then pull the 'non' stoned gargoyle up. (Remember boys if the key is fortified and angry enough; tank that last gargoyle near the pillar at top of stairs, and quick strafe LOS his swipe/claws cast)

You don't take damage, you don't get knocked back..that gargoyle goes from mad nasty, to absolute free regen time for mana/abilities

[sterile moss]

i just outrange it

[fringe marten]

You can do that too...I just tank him at the top of stairs near the ? whatever big square column/s on the right side..and just strafe behind the corner of the column when he casts it.

[sterile moss]

how do you get him to stop moving xD

[fringe marten]

He doesn't move if YOU don't move too far.

You bring him right up to the corner..and you just dodge around the corner of the column..he finishes swipe..you strafe back into his face.

[sterile moss]

he literally refuses to stand still for me

[fringe marten]

you're just going too far, OR..you're inside his hitbox and the ai is moving to re engage you at a 'proper' angle to face you.

[sterile moss]

you know what would be nice? If they matched the hitbox to the selection circle

[fringe marten]

the 'inside' his hitbox is why large modeled mobs move like ASSHOLES in raids; IE Sunking. Whenever a mob is a 'large' version of a normal sized/smaller model (scaled up) it scales up their hitbox size and it gets jank AF.

[raven turret]

Anyone here venthyr and using Draven souldbind?

[fringe marten]

You sold out to vampire hookers?!?! (guessing you play dps as well)

[spark mortar]

So have we seen the great Bonelord Migration as expected or are we all still kinda split down the middle?

[raven turret]

Yeah my guild's tank spots have been taken for like 4 years now lol

[shrewd steeple]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/thrall/Huska
Hey guys, i am currently running 21% Haste and 29% Versa... Would you recomment to exchange the haste sockets to versa gems? (change haste food to versa food)

[ionic fern]

We've seen it. :) People are starting to realize that it's not as good/easy as they thought tho. :)

[orchid frigate]

anybody using cardboard assassin?

is it worth?

[spark mortar]

Hard to argue with more Haste. Stats seem pretty balanced in that situation. Depends on how you like to roll.

[fringe marten]

Xirek lots of people have switched and are enjoying it, but for a lot of folks it wasn't a huge bonus like they thought. I know pika was doing some keys last night and saying he was likely going to go kyrian next week because 'coordinating' banner even in very strong well oiled groups was just irritating and ultimately not super worth it (the MAJOR reason you went for necrolord). Which is the same feeling a lot of prots are getting about Reprisal...everyone is almost afraid to admit they kinda' really don't like how much busier it makes you, and takes you out of position, mobs out of position..for a small block window and not a 'huge' increase in actual blocktime IF you've dropped the bolster talent.

Frender I think most every really high key runner uses cardboard assassin...it's even made me consider dropping herbalism to get it.

[sterile moss]

I've found it very useful

You don't have engineering for the wormhole? 😮

[fringe marten]

I did one key with reprisal when it gave the 6 second block window...the 2 sec they took off I thought "bah..it's fine, 4 secs, on 2 charges and 1 intervene..that's TONS more block.." the reality is that 4 second 'nerf' really made reprisal feel/play a lot worse.

[sterile moss]

yeah you feel it for sure

[fringe marten]

When it gave the 6 sec block per 'activation' it was AMAZING.

[sand condor]

reprisal feels amazing

granted i didnt play the 6s version

[fringe marten]

I really didn't think losing 2 sec would be a big deal, then when I actually did real content with it only doing 4 sec block windows...it fealt a lot worse than I thought it would.

[shrewd steeple]

well there is not too much i can change. Still need to kite more the question is do i need ti kite less with more Versa or is the Haste reduction that bad because of less rage for SB and IP uptime as well as Revange spam

[smoky wave]

The nerf to 4 seconds didn't actually make it any less good, it just made it more obnoxious to play.

[spark mortar]

I can understand on the Necrolord angle, but Reprisal feels like old school Prot Warrior. The 6sec version was busted as it gave us 100% SB uptime, but when you couple it with other talents it's frigging amazing. Charge in, shield up, slap fools with Revenge and get extra rage on top of it. If you don't like being a pinball of death, then go back to the Wall.

[spark mortar]

Kiting meta sucks. Plain and simple. Tanks weren't meant to kite, we were meant to smack fools in the face.

[shrewd steeple]

agree i do like the reprisal a lot!

[fringe marten]

)The issue is; it IS worth the effort...but with a 4 second block window, and probably running double time (yet not always being able to use both charges on all bosses/etc) and trying to run AM instead of bolster..etc... You end up with a spec you're doing a LOT more work for, monitoring 2 additional abilities now and 'having' to use them to make use of your added defense.. it just feels like you're doing so much more micro management for "ehhh? it's ok?" type of results.

[eager phoenix]

there are plenty of annoying circumstances on bosses with reprisal. like halkias if you acctidentally go for it when he slams. i intervened a buddy and he got chopped cus suddenly the slam is on him and not just me. i expect first in soa to be similar if the beam between boss and bird clips your team

[fringe marten]

I made weak auras to monitor intervene, charges..and leap where before It was just "use 'em when I need 'em, they'll be there" instead of "I NEED another intervene...I need to wait until the boastful blast (the X on prides) ...ok leap/charge.."

it's just..exhausting.

[ionic fern]

Reprisal is great. You just need to know the dungeon/pulls and pay attention to positioning. I have had 0 issues thus far and i really really enjoy the faster playstyle.

[grand spruce]

is dreamweaver a good soulbind for prot or are one of the other 2 better?

[fringe marten]

Where as, HONESTLY...seriously; you can run bolster and seismic reverb up into mid/higher teens and it be less to worry about and you'll do way more damage.

[eager phoenix]

i agree. its a lot more to manage. i like it more than the wall so far but i dont like either when they bandage fix shit like comboing mobility with mitigtion. like pretend paladins got fire on the ground from divine steed full crsuader d3 style, serious dmg as well so you feel you need to use it to deal dmg. what then? you sac your mobility for dmg

[ionic fern]

It's obviously harder to play than other options but the benefits it brings are great.

[signal plover]

Idk I've found that in most circumstances just the charge on pull and a mid pull intervene are enough to cover the SB, which either allows me to run storm bolt or save a leap/charge if a pack lives too long

Which is a small price to pay for playing AM

[fringe marten]

But IS it? like seriously ...I've had to stop looking at things through the "omg this used to be SO good..so I REALLY wanna go back to it" glasses.

and really look at what I'm gaining for dps, losing for management..etc.

[sweet summit]

You either play korayn with first strike, or you play niya with burrs

[signal plover]

It is. Sw and avatar are not negligible CDs

[fringe marten]

And it's ..? eh? It's good, it's useful...it's way WAY overhyped. Like..beyond Chick Fil A levels of hype.

[ionic fern]

It's not overhyped. :)

[signal plover]

I mean if you consider folks saying it's our best m+ legendary "overhyped" then shrug

It's got a noticeable benefit over other leggos at the start of each pull in a dungeon

[fringe marten]

As I said; it's worth it..but how much are you gaining? In what situations are you not able to utilize it fully, or is intervening to someone quickly getting you hurt..."oh you just have to watch" Ok now I gotta' watch for MORE shit as a prot warrior? ..that's what I'm saying.

[raven kernel]

sounds like user problem

[ionic fern]

If you dont enjoy it..dont play it. I gain a ton of damage/defensives/rage from it.

It's a game. If you want a easier managed Legendary just run The Wall or Seismic

[fringe marten]

The 6s version (which I know wasn't the intended one) lived UP to the hype, the 4s (intended) one.. is a lot more grounded and it's 'good' but the benefits vs the work to get it often times isn't fantatsic.

[strong forum]

You do

[ionic fern]

What work???? Pressing intervene once evry 30 seconds?

[signal plover]

Id even go as far as to say that ppl overhype how difficult it is to manage

[strong forum]

You gain like 20% more dmg by playing reprisal + am and a ton more guaranteed SB uptime

Ontop of a ton of rage

It's hyped for a reason

[jagged pier]

yes not broken at all

[ionic fern]

It is more management than other legendaries for sure but making it sound like a full time job is also wrong

[fringe marten]

You aren't wrong for enjoying it and feeling it's a nice upgrade to the way you played for a worthwhile upgrade in your block uptime. I think what my issue with it is; I got to play with it at it's pre nerf power...and that 2s more of block time per activation made that legendary VERY substantially better.

Before..for leaping/charging, intervening...and then playing normally; I was at INFINITY BLOCK. Now I'm not..but having to do all the same shit.

[ornate oracle]

I'm used to playing BM hunter where our best legendary has us pressing 2 non damaging abilities mid-rotation...

Hitting charge and intervene to get reprisal to work is pretty basic imo

[fringe marten]

I think that's really where my 'deflated' opinion of it is coming from.

[signal plover]

I mean that's fine

[fringe marten]

Mages are all in the same boat now; a lot of them spent money on race changes that they only needed for 1 day.

[signal plover]

I just don't think it's necessarily fair to project that onto the benefits of the legendary and marginalize em

[ionic fern]

Why did mages race change?

[fringe marten]

The new leggo that's now their "BiS"

requires you to cast 'non' fire spells to get a buff to your damage.

Mages live for one thing, and one thing only now...outside of combust they are nearly worthless...like..almost literally.

[solid sun]

Should I put Haste/Crit on Reprisal legs if I'm only doing m+

[jagged pier]

still go hase vers tbh if u start going to higher keys

if not go crit for the damage

[fringe marten]

So their entire existence is lining up trinkets/buffs/etc for combust. The new legendary gives you a buff that requires casting a frost spell and ? arcane? then fire...then it triggers. The void elf racial is a RANDOM chance to trigger a 'frost' effect (shadow frost, but coded as frost)

and every alliance mage, was void elf.

So that new legendary required them (if they wanted to..keep being competitive, like all dps wanna be) change to dark iron dwarf.

[brittle owl]

wat

[signal plover]

DID can be a mage?

[ionic fern]

Think he ment void elf?

[fringe marten]

a bunch of them did....because it was ON a reset day when the new leggos hit. So that means...raid reset, new leggo...that means, you're changing INSTA when servers came up.

No I mean dark iron dwarf. (from void elf..TO dwarf)

[ionic fern]

Ooh.

[uneven mason]

TFW people pay 25$ for a 0.8% Increase in DPS.

[fringe marten]

So those same mythic raiding mages...were doing their mythic raid, and then that night..it got fixed.

[uneven mason]

Blizzard sure knows how to bait and switch

[fringe marten]

Ikarikaze...ANY serious competitive dps would do it. You know how much money is spent on world first races?

[uneven mason]

Yes, world first

which was done a long time ago

If you're not first, you're last.

[brittle owl]

serious competitive dps finished their stuff like 2 months ago

[fringe marten]

Yes..and people who are serious competitive dps, have the same mindset. Because they don't care if they aren't world firsting, because they can compete on parses just the same.

[brittle owl]

anyone else doing it is, essentially, "tryharding"

[signal plover]

Lol one of our mages is a bald bitch gnome, the other is a panda and the other was VE and was getting triggered by the frost proc

[uneven mason]

This, anyone who is poneying up cash for a miniscule increase at this point is a chump.

[fringe marten]

Yeah sure...because that's how games are right? There's world champions...like..a few of them...then the other MILLIONS of players are all casual, don't care..don't really try right?

[brittle owl]

imagine paying 25$ for a sub 1% dps increase in a world 600 guild

[fringe marten]

You can say what you want, but I'm telling you a LOT of people did it.

[uneven mason]

That is basically how it is

Lemmings

[sterile moss]

Blizz would make $$$ by mega-buffing alliance races in the name of "faction-balance"

[fringe marten]

No..it's not how it is, stop being unrealistic. There's players that play at the same level of the world first players, all day..every day..but they're in world 400 guilds.

[uneven mason]

Its like a 5 year old using a safety pin to put a red towel around his shoulders and saying I"M SUPERMAN

[ornate oracle]

Some people like to max out every detail of their class/spec... why does that make them dumb? Lol

[brittle owl]

wut

[signal plover]

I mean paying the $25 on a patch day makes em dumb

[uneven mason]

If they played at the same level wouldn't they have finished Mythic sire months ago?

[ornate oracle]

If they have the money to spend, and they get enjoyment from it then who cares? Lol

[uneven mason]

This is also a true statement.

[fringe marten]

You can say whatever you like about "nuh uh..streamer G-Eazy is so much better than ERRRBODY else" that's not what parses say. that requires a full dedicated MORE than 20 man roster to accomplish that man.

[signal plover]

You can enjoy being dumb, I do it all the time

[brittle owl]

theres more to raiding in top 10 than parses

[fringe marten]

The point is this, and it's a fact.

[brittle owl]

but w/e

[jagged pier]

if they indiviudally play at that lvl but the rest of the raid may not so probably not

[fringe marten]

a bunch of alliance mages spent money, or tokens..or tons of gold...to race change for one evening of raiding. and then it got 'patched'

[signal plover]

The worst part about M SLG prog is having to take the train emote off my intervene macro :*(

[brittle owl]

you can equate what skilled jimmy getting r1's in his wr 150 guild with timmy private logging in his wr 12 guild all day

[fringe marten]

Jakey, you've waved your dick in here about your parses on 'irrelevant' shit right? you're irrelevant because you're not world first?

No you play like crap because you aren't in world #1 guild right?

[signal plover]

Tru

[fringe marten]

No..you play just as well as any top prot warrior

[jagged pier]

eh?

[brittle owl]

we all know paw is shit

so that's not news

[signal plover]

Jakey plays like crap he can't even beat nom on parses

[jagged pier]

Tru

[brittle owl]

buncha twats realy

[fringe marten]

Maybe someone has a better reaction time? slightly? But mostly it's how hard you really want to commit, and then the 'group' of people you're with to DO that.

[signal plover]

Yo I am Da shit aite

[brittle owl]

you're a boomer bro

[signal plover]

Fuq

[brittle owl]

your reaction time is gone

[fringe marten]

Your personal play is still at that level. There's lots of DPS players out there that really care about their performance even if they aren't in Limit.

[brittle owl]

like

it's in the seconds

[signal plover]

Listen, if anyone is a boomer here

It's ikari

[jagged pier]

its me

[brittle owl]

we're all boomers for wow standards

[jagged pier]

i literally have a t-shirt with a floppy disc on it that say never forget

am a boomer

[sweet summit]

Yikes

[uneven mason]

You're also confusing parsing with performance

[jagged pier]

☝️

[fringe marten]

You're confusing ANY of it, with how people actually 'are'.

[signal plover]

Dude we had a hpal lie about his age on our app by saying he was over 18...but then later on he mentioned he was a sophomore in HS

[brittle owl]

parsing + performance = pp

[uneven mason]

Parsing isn't what makes you a WF or W200 player. Execution is.

[jagged pier]

the performance that is actually required from a tank is to live the fight

[fringe marten]

They ARE competitive. They have jobs, they don't care about 20 or 25 bucks..they CARE about the 1% damage.

[jagged pier]

i already have done that on sludge and waiting for my dps to do the mechanics so they can do the damage

[brittle owl]

i mean

[jagged pier]

hence im waiting for them to learn

[brittle owl]

some people care to not get vaccinated soooo

[fringe marten]

Yeah...guess what? me too jakey

the tanking part of that fight was solidified in a couple pulls, it's very easy.

the rest is "how can you miss that soak..AGAIN?"

[brittle owl]

i dropped the V bomb, everyone run

[uneven mason]

Maybe he's ape and got held back 2 years?

[signal plover]

That was literally his planned excuse rofl

[jagged pier]

its not the soaks it the last chain they need to break it and ppl just stand there mongo dpsing

[fringe marten]

The point is..some people do care, weather they are in a top end organization or not, they're willing to drop 20 bucks for whatever reason.

[jagged pier]

i have fun on sludge tho playing reprisal is great fun

[ornate oracle]

This class discord is way more interesting than the hunter one lmao

[signal plover]

But he's a good kid so whatever

[rustic shadow]

Can someone explain to me how Reprisal works on Sludgefist? I feel like I'm missing something. Intervening a DPS or charging back after stomp?

[brittle owl]

tbh i miss prepatch/beta

[strong forum]

Autism

[jagged pier]

im making a vid so some peeps when i kill it but tdlr charges and stuff

[signal plover]

You can charge after each stomp

[uneven mason]

yes

I Wouldn't zip to a DPS tho

I Mean you could

[signal plover]

I'll be honest, I hated reprisal on sludge and wall (legendary) timings work REALLY well in that fight

[fringe marten]

yeah; you can get free uptime from the charges...I wouldn't recommend intervening ...and certainly not under 30% of his hp 😛

[jagged pier]

4% wipe was the perfect pull

[rustic shadow]

Right that makes sense

[uneven mason]

just have your co tank cancelaura

[rustic shadow]

Oooooh that makes sense

[jagged pier]

doesnt work

[fringe marten]

(paw I still play wall on it; I don't have issue with block uptime on it running bolster..I'm not trying to dps parse on a fight the rest of the guild is trying to catch up to killing basically)

[jagged pier]

we tried it

[rustic shadow]

Gdi

[sweet summit]

it does

you can 100% cancelaura intervene

[jagged pier]

well then my co tank is a retard

[uneven mason]

I'd go with that

[rustic shadow]

Haha

[uneven mason]

he was probably trying to click it

and hit Fortitude instead

[strong forum]

He hit arcane intellect!

[signal plover]

My favorite part of sludge prog was the tank solo(duo?) soaking rubble like 300+ times and the getting flamed the one time per night we missed

[uneven mason]

As a paladin that'll OOM ya

[jagged pier]

nah i got him to macro it into his abilities

[fringe marten]

I know but I'm not putting that on him to monitor that and have to hit a cancelaura every time I'm trying to squeeze in 4 seconds of block; I'm just forcing my cotank to do more work for some minor convenience for me..that I ABSOLUTELY do not need.

[signal plover]

Meanwhile our rdps stack had 8 ppl and would still somehow miss soaks

[uneven mason]

before or after his cast?

[jagged pier]

i dunno

[fringe marten]

Paw that's how tanking does always; you can literally be perfect for 90 pulls of prog..then after one night of 4 or 5 hours and you're tired and you just drop the keyboard...a huge spotlight hits you and everyone thinks "man ..that WOULDA been the kill but the tanks messed up in P2"

[jagged pier]

u dont need intervene tho tbh

[brittle owl]

just bind it to spacebar for the sco jumpers

[signal plover]

Having your cotank cancelaura intervene is actual try harding lol love it

[sterile moss]

maybe he typed cancel aura with a space 😄

[fringe marten]

yeah..nope; you'd have still failed the mechanic you've failed literally 68 times already.

[jagged pier]

100% without so 🤷

[uneven mason]

Yeah "Why'd you taunt Sire at 3%! You caused him to TP for the knockback!!!!"
*checks logs
Paladin Co tank Bubbled himself at 3%
Sire jumped to me.

[brittle owl]

do you play with towely

[uneven mason]

IKR

[fringe marten]

Especially on sludge, it's monotonous. I did one pull where I just forgot to go soak the 'first' soak before the split even...was just dps'ing his foot then went "..OH ..godda..wipe"

[brittle owl]

if you think sludge is monotonous

you haven't played varimathras hc

[uneven mason]

🤮

[fringe marten]

SLG is a long progression ramp; but it's fine..it is what it is. That's raiding in "not" seriously competitive guilds. like 8 people are tryhards who pay 20 bucks to get 1% more damage...the other people don't prepot.

lol yeah I have.

been prot since..forever

[uneven mason]

Remember when IP wasn't reduced by his healing debuff

good times

single tanking

[fringe marten]

varimathras was as close to a patchwerk as has been in the last few years.

[brittle owl]

was paladin in antorus

i didnt see a pwarr

until s1 bfa

[signal plover]

Dude I actually fell asleep on this boss even on Mythic lol.

[fringe marten]

...There has only ever been prot warrior... I've never logged in and seen anything else. Ever.

[uneven mason]

We were so cheesemode in Antorus

[brittle owl]

mythic you have like the intermittent soak thingie

but on hc

[uneven mason]

'Who didn't run plague out"

[signal plover]

Yeah but tanks didn't do that shit

[brittle owl]

it's literally taunt when x...maybe...sometimes

[uneven mason]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[jagged pier]

i liked vari we killed him then went and killed council on the same night on attempt 4

[signal plover]

Da fuq

[jagged pier]

yer

[fringe marten]

I'm just glad to be through council...council is like mythic Guldan. it's like 8 mins of everyone doing garbage crap...that they fail..still; THEN the fight starts and they ..STILL fail.

[jagged pier]

we were like the fuk

[solid sun]

are +15 "higher keys"? xD

[fringe marten]

At least sludge is ...2 mins "oh you fucked up a soak..cool...respawn, go"

[jagged pier]

not really no

[lone eagle]

Higher keys are 19+ imo

[brittle owl]

high is relative tho

[jagged pier]

it is till u get to final phase wipes then it gets annoying

[signal plover]

Sludge prog was very chill

[jagged pier]

☝️

[brittle owl]

but in a 15 you start to get a feel of the class

insofar as

[solid sun]

I only have problems with +15 when we are carrying someone, like a 3k overall dps

[brittle owl]

kit strengths and weaknesses

[solid sun]

shit just doesn't die fast enough

[jagged pier]

well lets be fair for some people 5s are high keys

[fringe marten]

Sameowell 15's are considered the 'goal' everyone is intended to be able to get to...towards the END of the tier. (yes you can do it way earlier..etc..but this is how the devs tune it)

[solid sun]

Ah

[brittle owl]

"high" keys is where the cracks in class design start to show

[signal plover]

Some ppl take a rip of the devil's lettuce and all keys are high keys

[uneven mason]

Mythic Guldan was easier, than heroic IMO, right until you hit "Don't blink or you'll miss it"

[solid sun]

So we gucci doing 15's consistenly

[uneven mason]

yes

[fringe marten]

IE "keystone master" mounts are supposed to be a 'bit' of a challenge if people want to get them, towards the end of the tier. So that's why 15's are often not thought of as really 'difficult' or higher keys.

[brittle owl]

ngl that was christian af

[signal plover]

Bless you son

[brittle owl]

but i'm muslim

[uneven mason]

Keys are 90% paths and not having flipperhanded monkeys for DPS

[signal plover]

Shalom

[brittle owl]

you need to inshallah me

[signal plover]

Oops

[brittle owl]

damn

[signal plover]

Threw you a bit of a curveball

[fringe marten]

Yes but the tank knowing the right path, DPS not being awful. and NOW a days the healer not being awful due to pride/bosses/etc... that's legitimately a tall order for your average pug group (average wow player)

[signal plover]

Or as they say in the home country, a kurvaball

[brittle owl]

nah

10's are a tall order for the avg wow player

[fringe marten]

That's not..being overly critical or toxic, that's just a fact of the playskill of the average player in wow.

[solid sun]

I rather do SD +16 than plaguefall 14

[fringe marten]

Pugging keys...lower keys open the door to levels of cancer you legitimately never thought possible.

[solid sun]

I will never, ever, ever pug a tank or a healer

again

[brittle owl]

wdym

pugging is fun

[uneven mason]

Legit pugged a Hpriest that had 1200 io for a 14 PF, died twice on the first boss and left. Pug healers is a nono

[fringe marten]

Seriously go post up a '10 plaguefall' see what kind of 9th circle of hell bad melee dps you get trying to chase down a phial trinket.

[brittle owl]

in a sit on a chair made of broken glass type of fun

[uneven mason]

dry humping a cactus fun

[brittle owl]

anal play with cacti

[signal plover]

Go on

[uneven mason]

balsawood slide in short shorts

[brittle owl]

fun

sandpaper handjob

works for the ladies too

[uneven mason]

This is the way we describe PUG fun.

[solid sun]

lmao true

[fringe marten]

Then you get the "why are tanks always such assholes...and toxic" Because we're expected to know every mechanic, build the routes..tank the boss int he raid, keep it in the right spot for people to dps..etc...do EVERY mechanic right or ..it's a wipe, in a dungeon or raid .... And all we want you to do is like...INTERRUPT THAT SHIT MANNNNN

JUST KICK..ONCE >>...EVERRRR

.../rips hair out

[uneven mason]

+15 DoS had to remind a 219 hunter that tranq shot is a thing.

[jagged pier]

no, i dont think its tanks that are toxic tbh, (well i am) but thats only when ppl are toxic to me first like blaming my route to be shit when the dps body pull and fuk it up and act like its my fault

[edgy venture]

all roles have toxic people. surprise.

[brittle owl]

everybody is toxic

[uneven mason]

Legit back to the point where I can point at the DPS meters and be like "WHOS SHIT? MR.IGOTBEATBYTHELOWESTDPSTANK"

[brittle owl]

i mean

[fringe marten]

There's just zero tolerance for tanking, you do it bad...everything collapses. The same can be said about other roles as well but they have gradients; You can get 'by' with not great dps in the vast majority of content. You can get 'by' with healers not being fantastic ...as our mythic raid progress is absolute factual proof of...

[rich helm]

Is there a good Spell Reflect Weak Aura, that says wich spell is reflectable ?

[brittle owl]

you can always scumbag pulls to make yourself look good

[fringe marten]

But if tanks don't know their job on a fight..poof...it's over.

[edgy venture]

Ther's one but idk how up-to-date it is @rich helm

[brittle owl]

there is a spreadsheet

pins (or faq, idr)

[sweet summit]

the wa marok made should be up to date

[rich helm]

im not asking for a spreadsheet

[sweet summit]

https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker

[solid sun]

You can't bumrush a tank in m+ 14 keys for chests, it's painful

[jagged pier]

i just pump then dps are like have they buffed warriors?? or never never seen a warrior tank like this before.
then u hit them with the nah im just good 😎

[fringe marten]

The only place you get 'by' with tanks being poorly played is very weak content...where strong healers can literally just PUSH you through the death you should have had by failing every taunt mechanic.

[solid sun]

meanwhile as a dps you can do it pretty easily even if he has no clue wtf to do

[solid sun]

Does it track only ones you are targeted?

[uneven mason]

I took Mwahi's advice and pull like a slacker until they pop CDs and then the next pull I go full mongo and slap avatar/IQD/AA

[solid sun]

thanks, tbh i didn't click the link yet cuz I'm at work so thank you for your patience x

[fringe marten]

But as far as pugging keys, even mid teens+ like..17's+... "do you know how LOS works on mobs that fixate and attack you, regardless of a threat table?" "why do I see the interrupts on the mage and shaman healer...never being used..ever...ever?"

[haughty sleet]

anyone manage to charge back in for sludge with a dh co tank?

[sweet summit]

yep

[jagged pier]

becuase big pump

[uneven mason]

TBH Shaman healers are legit normally my #1 interrupt

[jagged pier]

yer

all the time

[haughty sleet]

do they leap or do you just give them a headstart

[plush gate]

@uneven mason this is what I say as a healer main too. im dead scared of puging tanks tbh

[fringe marten]

Rectooor my cotank is a bear, I let him walk a few feet ahead of me (like give him 1 sec or so..) then he skull bashes and I charge.

[sweet summit]

they just walk

[jagged pier]

no

the chain is 12 yards

once they are in range 12 yards from boss just charge

[plush gate]

@uneven mason I feel like communication between tank and healer is essential for a good run

[uneven mason]

thought 10 on mythic?

[jagged pier]

maybe

[sweet summit]

no

[haughty sleet]

i think its 10

[fringe marten]

Same deal with DK, if you have a DK cotank, let him walk a few yards ahead of you, then you can charge in to boss..and you'll never have been over the 12 yard threshold to break the chain.

[sweet summit]

its 12

[jagged pier]

doesnt matter ither way

[uneven mason]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jagged pier]

let them walk ahead of u

[haughty sleet]

yeah either way

[jagged pier]

if your that worried so they are closer

[haughty sleet]

i really want to run reprisal

[fringe marten]

you can; nothing says you can't.

[haughty sleet]

the dh was leaping in when i was charging and it was snapping chain so i dropped it

but if they dont leap should be fine

[fringe marten]

As the other guys pointed out earlier; you can even have the other tank cancel aura the intervene if you want to use the intervene (you can still take a double melee from it insta before he cancels though) IF they're willing to coordinate that with you.

[jagged pier]

u can just intervene other ppl

u also dont need to intervene to get 90+% coverage

[haughty sleet]

i was planning on intervening the other tank to fill in sb gaps

[jagged pier]

there shouldnt be any gaps?

if u charge

[fringe marten]

you can; true...a lot of other players honestly get WAYYY too close to tanks on sludge, when you're moving positions for pillars...running away from the stomps..etc.

[jagged pier]

and intervening the other tank is bad 6 secs of getting hit by both

yikes

[uneven mason]

murdered a DK a few times because they some how managed to get in front of the boss.

[haughty sleet]

i havent tanked it with reprisal yet, and i was being a parse monkey with the wall/bolster and having a few gaps

[uneven mason]

I feel that its my job as raidleader to step on top of them to teach them a lesson

[frosty flame]

hello guyz, starting to war proting around, there are any compelled faq for the spec ?

[edgy venture]

#guides-resources-faq

there's a prot segment in that channel

[fringe marten]

Since I'm still kyrian/pelagos...I still have to get the FKN orbs...god I hate them~ But of course..in the second I'm getting an orb..a mage manages to blink?! in..or something? I don't think it was part of a chain pull, it could have been? but my spear is long gone by chain pull... But he got insta clapped.

[frosty flame]

ow, I see it now

ty

[fringe marten]

We were like "..? how? in the 1 sec I moved 4 yards to get an orb..you managed to get next to the other tank? Like..WHAT?"

[jagged pier]

just be the off tank

makes no difference

[fringe marten]

But yeah a mage got deleted on a pull and he says "uh? I died to..."giant fists"??" how?

I AM the OT

I have tricks AND MD going to the bear.

so I can get orbs for free.

[jagged pier]

oh i get u

mage just mongo i guess

[fringe marten]

100% yes

[jagged pier]

im only pela on that fight for ashen and pv tbh

[fringe marten]

I was pulling aggro due to burst..even over the tricks/md...so I dropped booming and went with dragon roar.

[jagged pier]

and as im reprisal i get 2 avatars in execute

[brittle owl]

mage get bonk

[signal plover]

He ran through the tank after chain slam or got blown back by a roar

[fringe marten]

so I went Droar to smooth damage out, so my opening bursts wouldn't take aggro so I could get orbs clean.

[brittle owl]

people always forget these types of mechanics

at least last time on fetid you had a giant fuck you room to maneuvre in

[fringe marten]

LOL!!...dude..

I went and did a quick normal run of...Uldir?

[sand condor]

lol

[fringe marten]

Because there's some Xmog in there that matches the color scheme of the mythic nathria plate set

[signal plover]

Gross

Like weapons or?

[fringe marten]

We had just..rando people in there, on super low geared alts..etc. (normal mode Uldir)

But even on normal mode uldir..we forgot about the stupid hydra head attack on fetid.

[signal plover]

The sword from there is pretty cool yeh

[sand condor]

does it actually match?

[fringe marten]

and some level 50 guy who joined...got deleted on pull LOL

sword and shield

[signal plover]

Normal is the red one?

[brittle owl]

uldir had some sick weapons

[fringe marten]

shield mogs that look good, and work well with Dark iron dwarf, and that nathria set...are limited.

No, normal colors is yellow

Mythic nathria armor is black and copper/gold'ish

so yellow stuff matches it nicely.

The helm I'm running is actually LFR dragonsoul helmet.

[brittle owl]

m uldir is the red/bronze one

[signal plover]

The mythic is like beeg gold

[fringe marten]

You wouldn't htink it mages..but it matches PERFECTLY

[signal plover]

Ummm

K maybe I'm wrong I'll hafta look

[brittle owl]

dragonsoul had shit tmog don't @me

[fringe marten]

you can hate....and I agree; I never wanted dragonsoul plate.

[jagged pier]

TRU @brittle owl

[fringe marten]

Until I was looking for stuff to match the black/gold look of mythic nathria set.

And the LFR dragonsoul helm, was perfect.

[signal plover]

Yeh M nathria is dope but a hard match

[jagged pier]

thats where u steal Nomes tmog @fringe marten

[brittle owl]

the only thing that is passable from dragonsouls as plate are the warrior shoulders

rest are garbo

[fringe marten]

Dragonsoul still has one of the top 2h mogs too...you know this to be true, search your feelings~

[brittle owl]

nah

[fringe marten]

#1..all time...4 horseman 2h mog... Apocalypse? or whatever...

#2...gurthalak

[brittle owl]

best 2 handers are in hyjal, BT and OG ashkandi

[fringe marten]

Ashkandi looks like 4 polygon trash.

[brittle owl]

its the best trash

[fringe marten]

BUT! mog is ..literally personal taste so..that's cool.

[brittle owl]

it shows refinement

[fringe marten]

the only old old school mog I can still stomach is the..? the oversized 1hander from Onyxia?

[brittle owl]

it's like like a super fine wine

[fringe marten]

you know what it is...errybody knows what it is.

[jagged pier]

https://giphy.com/gifs/southparkgifs-l0MYtBSY60THno7fO

[brittle owl]

tbh peak artstyle was TBC by a mile

if you think otherwise you're wrong

[fringe marten]

But yeah; for matching mythic nathria plate... Normal mode uldir's yellow weapon/s (the sword from mythrax, and even the 1h axe from fetid...and shield from Ghunn)

[brittle owl]

👋 🎤

[jagged pier]

just run the set and steal the chest from nome @fringe marten

[sand condor]

this man is cheating still;

that sword looks so good

[brittle owl]

ew

panda

[sand condor]

i wish i could mog it with the hidden artifact shield

[jagged pier]

you what?

[fringe marten]

I have that sword, and that shield is what I'm using right now (if it's the one with the yellow gem in it)

[edgy venture]

what's wwrong with panda

[jagged pier]

u can change the sheild mog if u want

[fringe marten]

That sword looks horrible with that set..just saying.

[brittle owl]

everything

[tame jasper]

My warrior wants a swird back so I can trsnsmog back to my lovely TF

[strong forum]

Huh

[jagged pier]

i mean u can tmog sword with maces and axes 🤷

but TF is based used to much

[strong forum]

You can tmog every weapon we can wield with TF

[fringe marten]

I'm using a..? not sure what it is...it's a large spiked morningstar mace...with uhh? Sunfire..? enchant? and that heavily horned/spikey looking artifact shield you're using with the yellow gem in it (the edges of shield color match better than others)

[brittle owl]

you know what would look dope with that set

jaina swords

the agi ones

[jagged pier]

its blue

i have it

wont go with the red

[brittle owl]

theres a copper one though?

one one of the difficulties?

[strong forum]

My weapon is bis for it

Fury pvp sword

[jagged pier]

the fury one is not bis

[strong forum]

It is

[jagged pier]

https://giphy.com/gifs/southparkgifs-l0MYtBSY60THno7fO

[brittle owl]

nuh uh

member when warriors could use glaives

[sand condor]

normal jaina

[fringe marten]

I generally don't care for swords...they're never thick/wide enough. Blades are wide but..vertically wide. so the character still doesn't round out properly...on dark iron dwarf I like maces generally; One of the best maces in game is the ? Monsoon mace from blackrock foundry.

[sand condor]

looks amazing wtf

[brittle owl]

^

[strong forum]

Eww

[brittle owl]

that one ye

[strong forum]

So fucking ugly wtf

[brittle owl]

its literally bis

[strong forum]

It's Hella trash

[sand condor]

why in the hell can we not use it

ill fight u nome

[brittle owl]

you're excrutiatingly german

[strong forum]

It's so bad

[jagged pier]

wheres the 2 h?

[brittle owl]

your aesthetic taste

is trash

[strong forum]

Not a single colour fits

[fringe marten]

You gotta' get a good balance of width on weapon/shield to make dwarf look good. and you cannot..EVER ..use any of the 'large' boot models. And belt is key, a good belt makes a dwarf xmog.

[strong forum]

Not a single one

Not to mention that the model itself is trash

[brittle owl]

your haircolor is trash

[strong forum]

You love me shut up

[fringe marten]

Is Vic trying to legit kill us? dude..those gloves, the off colored swords?

[brittle owl]

😡

[sand condor]

oh

[strong forum]

[sand condor]

yeah sorry about my mog

[fringe marten]

Like..that's ...so bad it's making my stomach hurt.