Thanks for not calling me out yet
#protection
solemn magnet
uneven mason
we had this discussion back in BFA, when I was stacking big crit for mythic Fetid
and getting 3-4 parry strings.
onyx moon
still want haste over crit tho for that shield block
signal plover
Remember that time someone posted those amazing new Reprisal talents?
cinder nova
I just imagine the entire discord as cavemen and the theorycrafters pointing to cave paintings of a stick figure with a big sword and shield on how to Warrior.
uneven mason
Paw I must have missed those, is there a new warrior meta build for 9.0.5?
signal plover
I mean basically
We're I not a coward I would perhaps enlighten you once more ikari
cinder nova
Define meta
signal plover
Yes
cinder nova
The only real major change is how our talents get swapped about with Reprisal in M+.
The way we stack certain stats for certain returns has been kinda constant over the last 2 or 3 expansions.
signal plover
imagine thinking I was serious
uneven mason
The only real major change is how our talents get swapped about with Reprisal in...
True story, I ran AM in keys before it was cool
signal plover
Sometimes in the back of the cave we have a section with poorly drawn insider jokes
cinder nova
Unga bunga me hit thing and thing die.
uneven mason
Sometimes in the back of the cave we have a section with poorly drawn insider jo...
Sorry but that insider joke is the Rembrandt of insider jokes.
grave crane
Me use small rock to block big rock
signal plover
I guess that depends on your thoughts regarding rembrandt?
Man, imagine living at a point in history where you had to paint your own selfies
Fuck that
cinder nova
Do tanks get Miasma on Mythic Hunger?
signal plover
No
cinder nova
Do I have to turn on my brain for Mythic Hunger?
signal plover
Unless a lot of folks are dead
Just to like 30% capacity to take advantage of the swing timer gaps
Comfy AM fight
plush tendon
Pretty much
unless you are running the 4 tank strat and having tanks help soak Miasma
signal plover
Literally the same, other than the move to the balcony being slightly more important.
cinder nova
We managed to prog Altimor last night and I was just interplanetary on an edible.
I was just standing in the one spot smacking the boss the entire go
dapper coral
When not tanking, you're a floating soaker. And you can reflect the Expunge orb. Beyond that, it's whatever.
cinder nova
That's what I picked up.
signal plover
I'd use SR for expunge DoT while actively tanking and to eat the orb while not active. That alternates between consume phases
lime urchin
did anyone try this thing yet?
lime urchin
the text reads like it has some flavour for m+ tonking
dapper coral
it's still not good
strong forum
git gud
strong forum
you dont possess the hidden tech
jagged pier
😢
strong forum
na but its explained on hammer of wrath
jagged pier
ah okay
dapper coral
The only trinkets that seem good that come from the open world are Hymnal and potentially the Everchill Brambles, but I've never been able to get a high enough version to make it competitive.
strong forum
pretty simple, just need to get the timing
jagged pier
subtle stream
I'm mixing between fury and prot and really considering NF at this point over ven
uneven mason
NF 
strong forum
but makes you pump a shitton more in m+
deft bloom
With reprisal leggo talents for m+ are 3 1 1 1 2 3 1 ?
calm crest
what ilvl should i shoot for for +15s
plush tendon
as high as you can get it
the first time I did a 16 on my war was 2 months ago at 198 I level
so if you got the key, go do it!
uneven mason
what ilvl should i shoot for for +15s
Up to you as an individual, what team you have, etc..you can do +15s ~200ilvl, but requires focus and a strong healer with DPS who understand how to interrupt.
Theres no "be this tall to ride"
at 210 Tanking in +15s should be trivial
with the burden going on the proper execution of paths and killing packs in time
IE _ more about the DPS and where you lead them
calm crest
alright ill go for a bit above 200 then, idk if i trust myself or my friends that much lmao. thanks yall
uneven mason
the faster you push higher keys
the better you'll get at executing them
lot of it is paths and experience
calm crest
true true
fossil sparrow
how much is venthyr going to cuck me
fossil sparrow
just feels weird, started arms is all
eh, it's an alt havnet played it since december
uneven mason
NF Lets you swing that big 
glowing dong around
fossil sparrow
wish covs were spec bound
uneven mason
Feels more like BFA prot when you aftershock
strong forum
With reprisal leggo talents for m+ are 3 1 1 1 2 3 1 ?
deva, indom, rav, AM those are the important ones
strong forum
ye its omega pad week
fossil sparrow
wait, BSC isnt shit now?
strong forum
with spiteful up
uneven mason
it never was shit
strong forum
was kinda shit
strong forum
but with reprisal its good
uneven mason
but BV was more likely, we can force Revenge! now
fossil sparrow
hot pleb tank take, into the fray > ravager
inner plank
Does BSC proc off Reprisal free Revenge cast ?
fossil sparrow
but I just hate ravager so
uneven mason
for the 50% Boost more often
strong forum
Does BSC proc off Reprisal free Revenge cast ?
yes, it says that one the leggo
uneven mason
Does BSC proc off Reprisal free Revenge cast ?
Yes, it works with Revenge!
strong forum
getting the "free proc" is literally "Revenge!"
uneven mason
the talent is worded poorly tbf
uneven mason
Yeah, "When made free by a dodge or parry"
deft bloom
Should i dump rage on revenge for Incresead Thunder clap dmg? or should i save my rage for Sb and IP uptime during pulls in m+ ?
strong forum
ravager
strong forum
how
inner plank
Yeah, "When made free by a dodge or parry"
Exactly !
uneven mason
I can 2nd 
uneven mason
Should i dump rage on revenge for Incresead Thunder clap dmg? or should i save m...
wat
strong forum
and leggo also procs the proc
uneven mason
Oh the conduit
strong forum
so i put 1 and 1 together
deft bloom
Yea, the counduit
uneven mason
What covenant are you
inner plank
Talent says « when free from dodge or parry », which sounds like it does not include Reprisal
deft bloom
kyrian
uneven mason
Don't use that conduit
strong forum
Talent says « when free from dodge or parry », which sounds like it does not inc...
but thats literally the "revenge!" buff
fossil sparrow
ugh, fine
young glen
Plus zero aggro issues when kiting 😄
deft bloom
@uneven mason which one do u suggest
lime urchin
who the fuck kites
Amen. If it can’t be facetonked, we deplete it!!
strong forum
no im being serious
fossil sparrow
having done torghast yesterday and managing 5min long shield walls is pretty mad
strong forum
Pwar and Bear dont have to kite
inner plank
Is there a consensus that Reprisal outperforms The Wall even for Tyrannical ?
strong forum
VDH has to kite cuz he does to melee attacks outside of meta
ofc
wall doesnt even come close to reprisal in terms of survival and dmg gain in m+
tyrannical dungeons are still 80% trash youre fighting
deft bloom
Do we run brutal vitality conduit with reprisal, since we no longer use bolster?
strong forum
no
inner plank
Interesting ok
strong forum
unnerving is still better than BV
uneven mason
brutal vitality luls
strong forum
Interesting ok
reprisal is also better on ST than wall
strong forum
ye
grave crane
So we don’t have to kite if we have reprisal? But with wall we do still have to kite?
inner plank
I’m not used to casting intervene even, Reprisal still good ?
uneven mason
Learn to cast intervene
strong forum
^
rancid ember
^
sinful depot
I'm guessing you should be using intervene on the offtank for reprisal during boss fights?
to get the proc?
rancid ember
uneven mason
I mean, you could intervene your offtank because in theory
when you're using it for SB
you should be tanking
strong forum
you can intervene your offtank if you wanna snipe some stuff off of him
strong forum
sure
i just intervene whatever is close and what doesnt get me killed
not really hard
just aim in the melee group and press intervene, something will stick
🤷♂️
inner plank
Intervene on cd ?
strong forum
yes
uneven mason
yea
strong forum
if the target doesnt get attacked
no
and since youre the tank
hardly any phyiscal ability will attack your group
sage shore
Sorry just jumping in on this convo. Reprisal defo the BIS legendary at the moment for m+?
young glen
no im being serious
Do you happen to have a pov on yt or something? Cause I feel like I'm lost here. I can't facetank each and everything even with reprisal - i got a lot better, but stuff still hurts
strong forum
Sorry just jumping in on this convo. Reprisal defo the BIS legendary at the mome...
by miles and miles
inner plank
Huh ? So if the boss casts frost bolt or whatever on my dps, I can’t intervene to take the hit instead ?
sage shore
by miles and miles
Great! Thanks
strong forum
Do you happen to have a pov on yt or something? Cause I feel like I'm lost here....
not with reprisal gameplay no
strong forum
Huh ? So if the boss casts frost bolt or whatever on my dps, I can’t intervene t...
intervene only works on physical abilities / attacks
tardy egret
how is protection warrior vs protection paladin?
uneven mason
especially if we focus on being tanky
inner plank
intervene only works on physical abilities / attacks
Oh waow ok didn’t know
uneven mason
RIP interveneing the PomPyro for your teammate
grave crane
you can use overwatch for pvp but thats it lol
uneven mason
Safeguard
strong forum
man now i wish i streamed my SHIT keys last week
inner plank
So then if boss is casting volley or shoots an arrow at my dps, i could intervene that
uneven mason
No volley, yes arrow
strong forum
and you also have to stand close to the intervened target
uneven mason
Magic spells = can't intervene
strong forum
you need to be close to the target to intervene any attacks
uneven mason
oh you mean like hunter volley
strong forum
if you run away right after it does nothing
uneven mason
yeah no thats a AoE
inner plank
if you run away right after it does nothing
Wut really ?
uneven mason
@strong forum We seriously need my "The More you Know" icon for here
signal plover
Also nom- "tooltips can't be trusted"
strong forum
i mean it says it right there
uneven mason
But what if its WRONG
inner plank
Tooltip doesn’t say physical only
uneven mason
Small indie company
uneven mason
"melee and ranged attack"
so, if an attack does magical damage
you will intervene it
if a spell does physical damage
you will not
inner plank
Gets complex ok
uneven mason
uh sure.
uneven mason
👏
inner plank
Thanks hehe ^^
uneven mason
Warrior - only tank that can't magic, big rely on knowing stuff ahead of time.
uneven mason
reprisal gives us all the block we'll need in our lives
inner plank
Hummm makes sense
brazen oak
With enough left to export to neighboring tankdoms.
inner plank
I liked it for the -1 min cd on last stand
uneven mason
last stand itself is a shield made out of down pillows
the rage bonus we get with UF conduit is > 30% HP
I Mean, its not bad, but the primary focus of bolster was the 15seconds of block
not really the 1min reduction on LS
If only LS would like, increase our healing intake by 30%
But, that being said, AM gives you more avatar, which is more damage, which means you take less damage!
Best defense is hitting mobs with big
inner plank
The third one is never considered ?
uneven mason
Considered like Walter Donovan's drinking cup
uneven mason
double time?
uneven mason
Stormbolt is still a ranged interrupt
sick cedar
Hello, I have a question of optimization for my stuff, I hesitate between 2 necks, an ilvl 220 with Haste / Mastery (With Haste in main) and an ilvl 226 Mastery / Haste (With Mastery in main). I know that normally we only look at the ilvl but since it is a neck piece and it does not give strength I have a doubt
queen flare
i am starting to play my prot warrior as an alt and i feel paralyzed by covenant choice because it doesnt appear to be super cut and dry
uneven mason
Because we have choices
tight tree
i mean
uneven mason
I know its an unusual concept
indigo knot
Fuck your team play night fae
tight tree
u want to be gatorade blue girls or you want to be badass necrotic armor boys
indigo knot
Curbstomp life
uneven mason
Kyrian/NF are the average go toos, NF is a bit more DPS and has better soulbines, Kyrian offers a healing pot and a bit more defensive use.
Venthyr is for Single target pumping and has amazing soulbinds, and Necrolord is if you are running constantly with a pair of DPS that greatly benefits from a large injection of mastery
tight tree
no self respecting warriors would be fucking fairie butterflys, so we leave them out of equation
uneven mason
They're death faries
tight tree
so go necroboys
uneven island
no self respecting warriors would be fucking fairie butterflys, so we leave them...
this
uneven mason
Only pathetic Boomkin simps are Necrolord
uneven island
not wrong
uneven mason
BOW DOWN TO YOUR BIRD OVERLORDS
tight tree
fuck no tyhey dont even have arms if they want to pvp
uneven mason
for
snow lance
@uneven mason I like bolster with Seismic
tight tree
go necro
snow lance
give u rage + block for revenge spam
uneven mason
<@!123448908838862849> I like bolster with Seismic
That'll do.
tight tree
or go venth if you want to pump DPS specs and arena too
fossil sparrow
is necro worth taking now? wanna swap from venthyr
uneven mason
It is
tight tree
they are fucking 60s vampires, what can be cooler
uneven mason
if you're consistent in our group setup
and are with specs who can take advantage of it
otherwise its a DPS/survival loss
uneven mason
they are fucking 60s vampires, what can be cooler
40s
tight tree
im not old enough
uneven mason
Necrolord's also get to run around with a Serpentine Princess trapped in a 500lb Honeybooboo knockoff
fossil sparrow
tfw havent played this in so long, dont even have draven unlocked
sick cedar
go with the 226 so your ilvl avg looks sexier
i currently do that cause it make me pass 226+ overall but i dont know if this good :p
royal rune
Prot war is harder to in SL than in bfa
uneven mason
not if you're comparing 8.0 to 9.0
fossil sparrow
8.0 was a travesty
royal rune
8.0? I only played 8.3
uneven mason
Yeah, 8.3 was a travesty of meme vers stacking flipperhanded monkeys
fossil sparrow
8.0 really wasnt good
uneven mason
Good no, strong yes.
I enjoyed prot in 8.0, my healers enjoyed it too
but, the real fun started in 8.1
when they made rocks blockable
and buffed a spec that didn't need to be buffed.
Suddenly you had superman doing 100,000DPS in dungeons without any brain required.
wanton condor
rocks?
uneven mason
throw stone
was unblockable physical damage
an ability used in several dungeons
which made prot take an insane amount of damage
in 8.1 they were like "Yeah I guess shields should stop bullets and rocks"
Shoot and throw stone was the deadliest abilities in wow for prot warriors
But the secret was in raids, where we could reduce tankbusters by over 90%
But, back to point, SL prot isn't hard, its just not insanely propped up by borrowed power compared to 8.3
royal rune
Need to keep intervening/charging as part of your block rotation
uneven mason
another reason to bring in a holy paladin
wanton condor
I just use a mouseover, makes it easy
uneven mason
or a focus macro
tawny citrus
Quick question: Looked at the resources-faq for Prot, and do not see any info on 9.0.5. Was making a new toon (Prot Warrior), and was wondering which covenant to choose. This character might be my main some day, so Raid AND Mythic+ matter. Just wanted to know if Kyrian was still BiS or if the Necrolords buffs were worth it.
uneven mason
Quick question: Looked at the resources-faq for Prot, and do not see any info on...
if constant team which includes fire mage or boomkin, go necrolord
otherwise, roll a d6
fossil sparrow
to swap from venthyr or not
tawny citrus
What about Unholy DK ?
uneven mason
basically
tawny citrus
Didn't notice
uneven mason
all 4 are good in their own way
lost dust
How bad/good is condemn for us?
fossil sparrow
I hate it
uneven mason
its such a tempting button to press
but it can eat 40 rage
so somewhat of a newb trap
if you're not used to watching your SB timers and rage bar
fossil sparrow
knowing my trend I'll revert back to dps in a while
so swapping from venthyr feels pointless idk
uneven mason
I mean....its a fun button to press in single target
fossil sparrow
fuck offspecs - blizzard
uneven mason
that being said, if you're going DPS, NF is the way
but if you wanna PVP
stay venthyr
fossil sparrow
if I wnated to pvp I'd go kyrian
lost dust
Why is that?
languid sigil
Can anyone send me something like a sheet or so for the crit build?
ionic fern
The what?
languid sigil
Idk people are talking about crit being a decent stat and I am curious what that is
ionic fern
Who are talking about it?
languid sigil
No one really, just reading what people have been posting here lol
ionic fern
Someone's going to get slapped.
languid sigil
D:
strong forum
Crit build
signal plover
I don't think ppl were talking about a crit build. Simply that crit is a pretty good stat
But like
raven kernel
the only crit topic i know is crit/vers for pvp venthyr arms wars
signal plover
Our stats r chill homies for the most part
They just wanna hang out together with more of their buddies
languid sigil
Aight gottcha, I was just curious
languid flower
So I've heard that the old hit-table doesn't exist anymore
back when we used to have to manage our mitigates and our avoidances to make sure we couldn't get crit from bosses
what's it like now?
strong forum
Hit rating is dead since wod
fossil sparrow
wait, draven is purely defensive, god that's horrible
languid flower
I know it's been a long while
raven kernel
good topic to revisit if you're planning on tanking in tbc classic though
languid flower
but I was under the impression they just made crit/crushing blows not a problem for tanks anymore
strong forum
You don't worry about any kind of annoying stat to cap out on
languid flower
instead of removing the entire hit table.
strong forum
Yes you can't be crit in pve
toxic otter
Crit yes, pretty sure crushing is just gone
languid flower
but does that change how block, parry, and dodge chances work?
toxic otter
And you can’t suppress block/parry from mobs by hitting crit cap
languid flower
like if I have a 20% parry, 25% dodge, and 30% block chance
languid flower
do I take mitigate normal hits 75% of the time?
raven kernel
not additive
languid flower
and 25% the remainder?
raven kernel
iirc
strong forum
Basically
If you take dmg
There will be a roll
Do you parry? Y/n
Do you dodge? Y/n
Do you block? Y/n
languid flower
is that one roll or 3?
chilly brook
Depends
strong forum
If you parry its only 1
chilly brook
If you fail parry roll then it moves to dodge
If you fail dodge then it moves to block
languid flower
okay, so 3
raven kernel
old system was 1 roll iirc
chilly brook
Like I said it depends
raven kernel
thats why u could hit avoidance cap
toxic otter
With your example you’d take normal hits 42% of the time
strong forum
Through SB we can guarantee blocks
languid flower
that's a big blow to avoidance and mitigates
strong forum
Mastery grants us another roll on a crit block
languid flower
make SB a LOT stronger
strong forum
I mean that's just how tanks are designed now
raven kernel
SB is the single best active mitigation of all tanks against melee
other than like 4 stack ironfur?
i think
strong forum
Every tank is designed around their "mitigation"
raven kernel
but 4 stack ironfur also costs way more
languid flower
I think I'm starting to remember now
and there's diminishing returns within the avoidance category, yesa?
like if I parry 10 hits in a row, I'm much less likely to parry the next one, ya?
strong forum
Not rly
raven kernel
🤔 not that ive heard of
raven kernel
there's no anti-goodluck protection like you're implying
languid flower
they removed that?
strong forum
Our parry comes from crit rating, the more crit rating you have, the less parry you get per crit rating
languid flower
I think it used to be there at some point
chilly brook
there's no anti-goodluck protection like you're implying
Other than gear stat allocation
distant crystal
and the artificial DR on mitigation stats is just there to counteract the natural anti-DR of those stats
chilly brook
I think it used to be there at some point
Pretty sure it wasn't
Since avoidance caps were a thing
distant crystal
because adding 1% dodge at 99% is obviously way more mitigation than adding 1% dodge at 1%
languid flower
tanking is about positioning and pushing buttons
chilly brook
Just press your mitigation if it's relevant, dont stand in bad profit
languid flower
this is about understanding the underlying math and theorycrafting
strong forum
There's no real need at all
raven kernel
its relevant for tbc classic kekw
chilly brook
You can .... but none of this is actually helpful to you
languid flower
if each block gives you a diminishing return of blocking the next attack until an attack is not blocked
strong forum
No
raven kernel
there's no such thing though
strong forum
You have 100% block chance with SB up
distant crystal
yeah that's not a thing
languid flower
then shield block practically guarantees that you will not block the next attack after it falls off
distant crystal
it doesn't
chilly brook
if each block gives you a diminishing return of blocking the next attack until a...
That doesnt exist
languid flower
unless they worked that into the spell
distant crystal
every attack is an independent diceroll
strong forum
Every single one
distant crystal
the only thing remotely like that was the monk dodge thing
strong forum
Elusive brawler right
raven kernel
yeah
distant crystal
ya you'd put weak mobs behind you and strong mobs in front
raven kernel
but thats a specific class mechanic on its own
strong forum
Where if you didn't dodge, your dodge chance would increase until you did
distant crystal
to dodge the strong mobs more
languid flower
oh shit, elitistjerks doesn't exist anymore?
chilly brook
Like legit you are way overthinking this @languid flower
distant crystal
ej is just Ion's guild now :p
elitistjerks used to be the go-to theorycrafting site
like 10 years ago or something
distant crystal
takes one to know one
chilly brook
No one called you old
ionic fern
You're old.
chilly brook
Just saying you're overthinking something that is actually very simple
chilly brook
You're old.
languid flower
@chilly brook I'm not sure if you've caught on yet, but I actually enjoy the thinking part
chilly brook
languid flower
overthinking is just more fun
raven kernel
thinking is fine until you dreamed up anti goodluck protection that never existed
distant crystal
i, too, enjoy nerding out on the math side of the game
languid flower
Like I'm sure I could be a successful tank by following icy vein's recommendations and pushing the buttons and doing the positioning
distant crystal
and then getting outplayed by zoomers who yolo
chilly brook
Well
languid flower
and sometimes when I don't want to think I just wanna down the boss, that's exactly what I do
but once I've downed the boss
I starting going back to using my character as a form of expression
and start wondering if I can be successful enough by NOT following the recommendation
if I can find some fun synergy that excites me
chilly brook
There is no form of expression through gearing in modern wow
languid flower
and that I can exploit to at least marginal success
chilly brook
You're only ever worse for not following the recommendations
languid flower
the closest I've gotten this expansion is by dropping versatility almost entirely
since haste and mastery synergize so well
chilly brook
Mastery is meh
languid flower
but then I was reminded that the hit table doesn't exist anymore
and had to remember how all these things work together
chilly brook
Just pump
languid flower
and there definitely WAS a point way back when where each successive avoidance decreased your chance of avoiding the next hit, but that hurt bears dispropotionately and they removed it
worn bear
build diversity is extinct
strong forum
Build diversity is called "being bad" in wow nowadays
distant crystal
and there definitely WAS a point way back when where each successive avoidance d...
[citation needed]
worn bear
Build diversity is called "being bad" in wow nowadays
ayup
languid flower
I knew you were gonna say that
but elitestjerks doesn't exist anymore so I'm having trouble finding it
distant crystal
i mean it sounds like awful design, so it's plausible for blizz to have done that
verbal pelican
207 53 haste 75versa legs or 213 42 crit 90mast ones? its just 5 ilvls and the stats are garbage..
languid flower
higher item level, according to icyveins
garbage stats are almost as good as top-shelf stats
the difference is negligable, so just hunt iLvl
strong forum
207 53 haste 75versa legs or 213 42 crit 90mast ones? its just 5 ilvls and the s...
Ilvl
Although
Which slot
ionic fern
Legs
strong forum
Ah legs, ye ilvl
crisp dragon
Is Celestial guidance the best weapon enchant?
onyx moon
for prot no i dont believe so
strong forum
Overall yes
crisp dragon
Right now I just dont know what to use for Sludge
strong forum
Has good defensive and offensive use
For St dmg sinful revelation
For aoe dmg lightless
sweet summit
any necrolord gamers
crisp dragon
Yeah, Im not sure I need the 0.5% extra defensive stat
onyx moon
I am a necrobro
strong forum
Yeah, Im not sure I need the 0.5% extra defensive stat
5% Str is still good dmg and has solid uptime 🤷♂️
Has like 30-40% uptime
But for Sludge sinful is defo better
crisp dragon
I appreciate the help, as per usual
onyx moon
considering this week is bolstering and we are the tank with the least dps atm id advise sinful
onyx moon
yeah u right
strong forum
It's borderline meaningless optimisation anyway
It's legit less than 2% difference or w/e
Especially in St
It's incredibly minor
In aoe its just celestial vs Lightless and also very minor
fringe marten
Yeah; I have flip flopped guidance and light force on my weapon a few times..atm running guidance.
I think I'm just staying with that; the damage difference is very minor, guidance is better for raiding (single target it sims better) and it gives armor, and parry...where as light force is just damage.
Armor, parry, and improves ignore pain.
mighty valley
Eventually I'll prob have a second identical copy of the same weapon so I'll just keep one for each enchant lmao
fringe marten
Honestly..just run guidance.
The damage difference is very small, and guidance is an actual beneficial proc.
mighty valley
i'm on lightless atm because I just lazily do ten 15s for the week and don't feel threatened
might as well take that fractional percent clear speed increase
fringe marten
Because it's a random proc guidance can also be better in outright damage, just based on proc timing luck. (of course so can lightless force)
Yeah but you never raid ever? Or fight bosses in those same dungeons?
Guidance is actually more damage even..in single targets.
You don't need to change either way; because of how similar their damage is. But if you really want the 'better' weapon enchant I definitely feel it's celestial guidance. Guidance used to be DIRT DIRT cheap too.
The only thing keeping me from going back to guidance was just getting over the metality that "the more expensive enchant has to be better.."
So I fealt like I was just wasting the gold I had spent, so I kept rationalizing that Lightless was better. Started simming then and found guidance to be better for single target anyway; and in aoe it was very close... so I just sucked it up and went back to guidance.
But if you have either enchant, and change to the other..you're never really going to notice a difference in damage or mitigation.
spring mountain
Destructive Reverberations or Show of force for a DPS increase?
sweet summit
reverb
fossil sparrow
who knew trying to get a ring was this garbage, holy jesus
I hate legos
anyone know if the weekly 1k anima quest gets deleted if I swap covs?
sweet summit
Idk i picked it up yday, and swapped an hour ago then picked it up again in the new covenant
But you need to refarm anima
obtuse yoke
@sweet summit what cov you running now
sweet summit
Wanna see if it can be good in raid or something
Hopefully i hate it so i can go kyrian
obtuse yoke
i want to swap off kyrian 😦
obtuse yoke
can you even condemn in big keys
fossil sparrow
unlikely
fossil sparrow
I'd use my prot lego I made 3hours ago
but I've yet to get a ring from anywhere
to replace signet
"can't have 2 legos" ree
sweet summit
Item restoration?
fossil sparrow
impressive, an actual lfr sire wipe
uh..oh
isnt that shit?
never really used it
fossil sparrow
it's been ATLEAST 3months
obtuse yoke
thrill seeker is kinda pog tho
fossil sparrow
early january at best
fossil sparrow
I'd make a jc ring with mark2
sweet summit
Other than that its pretty fucking reliable
fossil sparrow
I thought ther ework wouldve made it like banner of dread in poe
but that's clearly not the case
obtuse yoke
TRUE
i had to main swap boomie for this tier but i miss my prot warr from 8.3 😦
tryna get him back up
convoke is a fun button
why can't every spec have convoke
fossil sparrow
oh shit, it goes all the way back
fossil sparrow
gimme that m0 ring
fossil sparrow
why? it's boring
fossil sparrow
sincerely, a boomkin main
sweet summit
obtuse yoke
how is it not fun spiking to 35k st dps with pride
sweet summit
True but mages are not people
sick sentinel
is anyone here a tank that's 205 ilvl and does +8 mythics?
obtuse yoke
my brew is 220
sweet summit
My 184 alliance warrior did a 7 if that counts
crisp dragon
I was 200 ilvl and did a +12 last week on my DK, could easily have done +14 but no one would have me
sick sentinel
What's your dk? I wanna know what ~% in vers to aim for for prot war and blood dk
obtuse yoke
i feel like if you're 205 then ilvl > all for every tank
vale cobalt
Is Reprisal buff to Revenge also work with Best Served Cold?
sweet summit
Specific*
crisp dragon
I think its only 14% on my DK since it's just ilvl > vers
sweet summit
Yes it does
crisp dragon
I do think that Fortified is really tough on my DK, so not sure if I could do a 14 this week
sweet summit
I believe in u
fossil sparrow
time to go necro
crisp dragon
Awh, thanks ❤️
fossil sparrow
are conduits cov specific?
sweet summit
No
fossil sparrow
use the ones I have in bag before or
sweet summit
Only covenant one is "lost"
vale cobalt
Is Best Served Cold dmg from Reprisal better than Booming Voice in M+?
sweet summit
But u keep it if u swap back
fossil sparrow
goodbye anima 
sweet summit
Is Best Served Cold dmg from Reprisal better than Booming Voice in M+?
Yes
You keep the anima in ur bag
vale cobalt
Sick thank you
fossil sparrow
well it's red, not venthyr, it's the brf set lol
sweet summit
As long as i dont get any upgrades im fine
fossil sparrow
20k shield, could be worse I guess
is there point in keeping execute bound now or
scenic reef
is there any scenario where ilvl 226 gluttonous spike is even remotely viable, mby low m+ for valor or something
dapper coral
If you hate doing damage, unbind it
blazing condor
arctic wasp
how can i do a macreo that intervene my focus and my target in case i dont have a focus ? is that possible :o?
arctic wasp
i dont like mouse over, but i found it in google 😄
#showtooltip
/cast [@focustarget, exists] Intervene
/cast [@target] Intervene
in case someone wants 😛
naive panther
Mouseover intervene is annoying. Mobs get in the way of me targeting a melee so I have to target there portrait.
Works fine on ranges.
limpid dagger
/targetfriendplayer
/cast intervene
/targetlasttarget
Use this for reprisal
queen reef
does anyone use Korayn soulbind for tanking M+? curious how reliable the increased crit is with the whole "if you hit them before they hit you" thing -- while tanking
sick sentinel
Socket Item Level Haste Versatility Critical Strike Mastery???
torpid saffron
Best charge/intervene macro:
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
subtle stream
ugh this is tough decision to swap lol
distant crystal
smh that macro doesn't even target a random party member to intervene
torpid saffron
why would you need a random party
when you can just mouseover and intervene
random is so bad, cuz it can target a ranged and you lose most of SB's duration
for those using reprisal
distant crystal
was a joke m8 but someone earlier had a /target party one
that would just fall back on targetting a rando party member if there wasn't a valid mouseover
torpid saffron
lel 😄
i'm curious how many of the prot warrs here use any other lego than "Reprisal"
patent osprey
the wall :D
fierce phoenix
Is there math anywhere on UF vs Ravager? When using reprisal and anger management?
timid zealot
parses said rav
torpid saffron
call me crazy but i still love the wall in M+ more than reprisal
PIka the prot warr god is here! ^^
junior cliff
Hey I’m just getting into warrior and tryin to do prot. Wondering what’s a good way to memorize routes and such
torpid saffron
do lots of dungeons
dapper coral
Practice/Experience
fossil sparrow
if it's red it's dead
runic hare
It comes with time usually
fossil sparrow
not a fan of the necrolord banner getting sheathed automically
craggy pilot
how do you build Conduits for Venthyr? 🤔
pliant maple
Anyone both warrior and paladin tank?
junior cliff
Ok. Also what necro lord covenant do u recommend for prot? Soul bund wise
runic hare
I like this personally
torpid saffron
everyone goes with Emeni for that phat strength buff
runic hare
Depends on the content you do tho
junior cliff
Ok. Primarily m+
torpid saffron
I think left side + bot mid would be better for m+
runic hare
yup
runic hare
I just went with the movement Fleshcraft, cause it came in real handy for raiding
torpid saffron
yeah, i don't doubt that
fossil sparrow
wait, is chompers not better?
fossil sparrow
having to do the cov storyline now is such a ballache
just lemme at the soulbinds
junior cliff
Ty
amber herald
nerf is tanking 25s on a warrior right now if anyone wants to watch
oh wait they just wiped lel
alpine ravine
how do people regularly build pelagos
torpid saffron
This is how i did
You can change brutal vitality with unerving focus
Pick your poison
However, Nerf is not playing Pelagos.. he's playing Kleia
stone pewter
is reprisal bis now?
torpid saffron
People say so..
stone pewter
hmm, it procs the revenge passive right?
idk i kinda wanna craft it but.. i feel it would be kinda weird
stone pewter
im nf, its a nice utility. good stun and rage regen. decent dmg
dapper coral
I think I'mma go NF or Kyrian for the weekend
To mess around/build renown for el future if I ever want to seriously swap
wild bane
Hmm yeah I took a long break and am leveling prot warrior again
stone pewter
nerf?
wild bane
how have the 9.0.5 buffs been ?
alpine ravine
yes
fossil sparrow
is raise banner prot only?
fossil sparrow
should be, don't have it as arms
and I've quickly found out necro arms is awful
subtle stream
i hate using condem, as a tank lol
stone pewter
is raise banner prot only?
hmm all 3 specs should have the banner from NL, but its better for prot. the real gold is fleshcraft shield from what ive heard
lavish oracle
Y'all see nerf is gearing his warrior?
timber nest
fossil sparrow
laughs in vengeance
elfin nova
Nerftank/nerfmeta big m+ tank
wild bane
prot warrior aesthetic is MOLTO BENNNE
elfin nova
He has it in his stream that he is not planning to swap to warrior in 9.0.5 and is just testing it/preparing for 9.1
subtle stream
what cov
lavish oracle
I think bear is still the strongest defensively
elfin nova
At least that's what it said the other day
elfin nova
He's kyrian, their rogue is necrolord and they need a kyrian
lavish oracle
Still noteworthy if he's even considering it
elfin nova
Yeah
wild bane
does belf warrior have any good stuff to purge in CN?
lavish oracle
He's doing a 23 with a 197 shield rn, lol
elfin nova
If there was ever purging to be done in a raid you wouldn't need a belf to do it
subtle stream
Yea condem feels useless to press i prefer saving rage for trhe stuff I need, def feeling like i need to go NF or Necro for Prot and fury
lavish oracle
I'd be surprised if they time this key, though
elfin nova
Nah i opened his stream and he's dead, warrior sucks confirmed
next robin
So I do understand that we use ignore pain in between shield block but would it be wise to have ignore pain up before shield block? or just press shield block the moment it comes up in a fight
wild bane
ignore pain + shield block is like double mitigation right, wouldn't that be great for a big hit
elfin nova
It's on a charge system so you don't have to press it immediately when it's up
The short answer is "when you need it"
but it's pretty variable depends on your health and other cooldowns available, what is happening, what abilities you need to cooldown that are coming soon etc
If you're playing reprisal though you will have much better uptime on shield block than before
@lavish oracle they are no longer doing 23 xd
patent osprey
that was interesting to watch for sure
spring umbra
how is NL looking?
sturdy sable
wild bane
what is NL, animal crossing new leaf
supple spruce
Definitely both shield block and ignore pain on big hits like the swing from Mordretha (Last boss TOP)
sturdy sable
Necrolord
wild bane
OH duh, how did I miss that haha
alpine ravine
yes
alpine ravine
yea you can spell reflect every other one
turbid gazelle
It feels so fuckign great to spell reflect it
alpine ravine
it did like 30k to the boss in a +10 i was doing
supple spruce
Spell reflect is damn mighty, it completely removes some boss mechanics
turbid gazelle
I was genuinely surprsied that it was reflectable not deflectable
lavish oracle
<@107299379173453824> they are no longer doing 23 xd
Yeah, lol, was doomed from the start, I think they're all on alts
supple spruce
Any value in using heavy repercussions along with reprisal instead of bolster?
It sounds good on paper with the increased shield block uptime with the legendary, but I didn't try it yet
sick sentinel
I don't understand prot tanking i feel like im gonna need major league gaming elite male pro guides
supple spruce
Defintely has a learning curve
fierce phoenix
Good place to see m+ logs?
gentle notch
Gang I am losing it. 27 runs in DoS now. I have gotten every single drop besides hakkar trinket. I have gotten 3 IQDs. I am cry.
glass patio
bros help me out. stuck between nightfae and necro because i also dabble in pvp and arms/fury
ionic eagle
Why not Kyrian?
uncut citrus
Hello.. is 226 spike good enough trinket? Kinda dont know what to do with that crap otherwise.. I wont use it in main spec... for AoE i have Decanter.. so i think 226 spike with 226 decanter could be nice in m+.. otherwise I have 220 phial..
lavish oracle
Spike does decent healing and damage in keys from my experience
Like 2-3% of my damage and 6-8% of my healing usually
uncut citrus
Atleast its somewhat useful.. =) thanks
gentle notch
I wish Queensguard's Vigil had better proc chance. Seems like a fun trinket if it did,
wild bane
vers = dmg resist right
signal plover
a select few ppl are pushing rly high keys where the vers has a noticeable impact
but even then, imo value ilvl+haste over it
unique shale
source ?
signal plover
pika is in here and has mentioned it
you can tag/dm him or stop by his stream, he's usually very helpful
some ppl also just end up with high vers gear cuz they've geared through pvp
personally, id never stack vers since there's no more corruption boosts
unique shale
how i am suppose to get haste/versa while they are couple of pieces in dung and i can't pvp
limpid dagger
Learn to pvp
signal plover
the point is you dont need to, or yeah, pvp
unique shale
i hate pvp
signal plover
well then ya cant
but our stats are so close in value atm that as long as you follow the prio in the icy veins guide (would also recommend reading the explanation regarding the prio in there) you'll be fine
unique shale
some ppl also just end up with high vers gear cuz they've geared through pvp
my friend running with 33% versa and 9% haste and i beat him in sludge damage taken with 300k different
i am with 30% haste and 8% versa
signal plover
what's your point that's literally what i am telling you
haste is our best stat
some ppl value vers
also sludge dmg could be a number of other things but if they're running warrior with 33% vers 9% haste then yeah the'll have a bad time cuz SB effective uptime will suffer
unique shale
i mean he was flexing on me for having 33% versa kind of make me feel fool
patent osprey
I value verse not for the damage, or SB uptime. I value the verse for when a kick is missed or we don't have a stop, so a flying shadow bolt comes by and doesn't 1 shot me 🙂
signal plover
but that's only rly relevant at what, 20+ ?
unique shale
I value verse not for the damage, or SB uptime. I value the verse for when a kic...
good point
solid sun
How fucked am I if I try to tank 14~15 with this gear? would put Reprisal instead of the ring tho.
signal plover
i mean he was flexing on me for having 33% versa kind of make me feel fool
i wouldn't let myself get bothered by a flex like that
signal plover
How fucked am I if I try to tank 14~15 with this gear? would put Reprisal instea...
good to go for 14/15
patent osprey
I always say gear for the content you are doing ^.^
if you are doing keys that are under 20, then id go full haste, cause even a missd kick wont 1 shot u
signal plover
this is why i gear for goldshire ERP
unique shale
How fucked am I if I try to tank 14~15 with this gear? would put Reprisal instea...
cirt and haste is best for dungs
beside versa
solid sun
I see, nice.
mighty valley
How fucked am I if I try to tank 14~15 with this gear? would put Reprisal instea...
this gear is pretty big, you could do anything
signal plover
honestly most ppl in here lately are putting so much emphasis on secondaries when like
unique shale
I see, nice.
maybe get pvp shield
signal plover
they don't rly matter THAT much for the vast majority of players unless you're totally ignoring haste
solid sun
yeah I could get pvp weapons, not that hard to get conquest on arms.
unique shale
im venthyr and will not be changin that
venthyr is fine
solid sun
or will I be too squishy
signal plover
proper play on pwarr along with good routes will easily net you KSM at like...210 ilvl+ (can honestly prolly be lower)
solid sun
Ah, condemn gives a shield too, always forget
mighty valley
mostly only condemn on single targets, and don't eat up too much rage that you can't shield block
unique shale
Ah, condemn gives a shield too, always forget
just don't use it in aoe
mighty valley
it only reduces damage from the thing it hits
unique shale
or will I be too squishy
door of shadow is best for kiting plus nadjia haste buff
go right and all way down
solid sun
im not big on pushing keys, just want more options on chest
solid sun
you only got the ez ones left
my first +15 was SD xd
unique shale
my last KSM key was SD XD
astral crystal
literally just win
signal plover
slap on reprisal and bsc and 📈