Have had 0 issues so far. Only time you need to pay attention to where the healer is is when you plan to Intervene.
#protection
sharp sun
Just checking my logic is right, vault options:
200 -> 220 ring
200 -> 216 shield
I think shield 😄
ionic fern
100% shield.
mild ruin
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/wildhammer/jaelthas whats best to upgrade with 4k valor?
marble summit
Is iqd usefull for prot at all? I got a 223 iqd in vault and 226 crit/haste chest.
strong forum
Iqd isn't great for tanks no
nimble swallow
Oii I'm new to prot in shadowlands and plan to learn the spec by putting it under a bit of pressure in 16/17s and maybe play it in raids in 9.1. But I'm rather torn on what legendary to craft. Should I go for the Thunderlord or The Wall? I wonder if anyone has experience with both and feels a clear difference
ionic fern
Reprisal or The Wall *
nimble swallow
Oh really? In dungeons I see people rolling with Thunderlord
ionic fern
The Wall is easier to play with in general as it doesn't require you to pay attention to positionings etc.
And it's useful in both m+ and raids.
nimble swallow
I plan to do dungeons only rn
ionic fern
Reprisal requires more positioning/dungeon/class knowledge.
But it's extremely good in m+.
nimble swallow
Thunderlord isn't a candidate? I see it used in wowlogs quite often
ionic fern
No.
In general Reprisal for m+.
The Wall for Raids.
Both of them can be alternatives for each other.
mild ruin
just had great success with reprisal on sludge
nimble swallow
Reprisal looks super clunky though
Intervene seems like such a pain
To use
Or is it not that bad when you get used to it?
jagged pier
its fien tbh took a while but used to it now
strong forum
Intervene is easier of the 2 to use
Charge weaving is much harder than intervene
As it fucks with positioning a ton
nimble swallow
Ahh that'll be fine for me, used to tanking m+ a lot on other toons
Any macros you guys use to deal with the intervene part?
unreal scarab
Its a sign from the gods! First Vault with Prot and a Stone legion trinket 220 in it. 
mellow gorge
Eyy
inner plank
220 shoulders vers / mast or 216 gloves haste / vers ?
nimble swallow
Confused to see that only The Wall and Thunderlord are being used on wowlogs in the higher keys though (logs only)
lofty widget
probably old logs seeing as we only had new reprisal for one tyr week
nimble swallow
That explains it all, tyvm!
Will the Safeguard conduit be a thing? Anything changes in conduit usage?
nimble swallow
Am rolling Bonesmith NL with 3 endurance conduits, I guess replacing Stalwart guardian is a thing then (?)
Keeping unnerving focus/brutal vitality
Oh sorry nvm, it's a finesse 😬
ionic fern
Keeping unnerving focus/brutal vitality
Stalwart/Unnerving as your main ones. BV/FBV as your 3rd one if needed.
nimble swallow
Alrighty, rolling those 2 with BV. Ty ty
wide pilot
would u guys say there is a big dif in building the wall on cloak over shoulders? i dont pvp really and dont do mythic raiding. i got these 226 shoulders i would hate to replace when my cloak is so low
mild ruin
Don’t panic about it
outer wedge
One of the biggest trouble I’m having is after pride is keeping aggro off Mongoloids. ( NF furry warriors, mages, basically anything with insane burst)
mild ruin
Build on cloak
snow tusk
should i upgrade my 213 chest with 226 chest (both crit vers) or upgrade my lady HC ring with Lady mythic ring?
mild ruin
Are you running reprisal carbon?
outer wedge
Yup.
mild ruin
I’ve found that BSC revenge and another revenge gets me enough Agro to start going through normal rotation
outer wedge
Ok I’ll try that tonight. My best friend is a awesome fury warrior but like I feel like shit because he has to hold aftershock sometimes
mild ruin
I was doing keys as sub 200 ilvl last week with a 184 wep and found threat annoying, I’ve just got a 223 wep and I’m normally outdpsing them 😂
outer wedge
Yea I have a 200ilvl weap and a 184 shield. Been tanking 13/14s
strong forum
would u guys say there is a big dif in building the wall on cloak over shoulders...
Cloak has the worst stat budget of all pieces available
It's literally the worst slot to put a legendary on
In terms of optimisation
fringe folio
If you decide to stick with the wall for m+, is it then also best to keep playing bolster instead of AM?
strong forum
Yes
fringe folio
Alright thanks
hazy holly
I'm ilvl 200 and I don't know if I should go for 210 Signet of the False Accuser or 200 Splintered Heart of Al'ar
cheat death stronk, but upgrade stronk
jagged pier
if you dying take trinket if not take ring
rough needle
consider that you can quite easily get 220 rings especially ones with better stats, but you only get 2-3 chances at cheat death a week
torpid saffron
Should i consider Pawn upgrades as a prot warrior or ignore them ?
Does it take survivability into account aswell ? Or only dps ?
hardy stratus
Any macros you guys use to deal with the intervene part?
I'm just @focus using it on any melee dude in group
ionic fern
Should i consider Pawn upgrades as a prot warrior or ignore them ?
Ignore it. 🙂 Pawn is horrible.
hardy stratus
Should i consider Pawn upgrades as a prot warrior or ignore them ?
I guess you should stop to use Pawn on every class at 60 lvl.
summer tendon
so guys quick question what is the best covenant and legendary for m+ after the updates etc. 🙂
night depot
same question switched to prot today, no idea which one to go for D:
night depot
people just leaping out and charging back in?
sweet summit
Sometimes yea
Dont always need to leap up but yeah
Lots of charhing and intercepting
Interveneing
ionic fern
I rarely leap out tbh. 😦
hardy stratus
You can also kite with your legs and covenant abilities, yea
ionic fern
Most packs are fine with Charge+SB->Intervene->SB->SB
sweet summit
Extra style points 😎
solar spear
is a 3 ilvl vault leg upgrade (same stats) but losing avoidance worth it? shite from my vault again
night depot
fair enough will try the new leggo first then!
strong forum
is a 3 ilvl vault leg upgrade (same stats) but losing avoidance worth it? shite ...
Yes
Tertiaries dont matter
ionic fern
Can't wait to get home and get dissapointed by my chest.
Tho i think i'll only get 2 loot choices.
😂
solar spear
Tertiaries dont matter
alright thanks friend
summer tendon
what is the difference between kyrian and nf ?
solar spear
i had 5 226 slots and still got that as my best upgrade haha
sand condor
yeah i onhce again got crap
wide pilot
how much can you slack on using intervene with reprisal b4 soemthing like the wall would catch up in value
sweet summit
Wdym
solid cairn
What are the worst dj for this week affixes? i have done a SOA and it was pretty tough because i was not able to cut everything
sweet summit
Im a pretty bad dj
night depot
yeah i'd imagine you need to be fairly active with intervenes to make it worth it
strong forum
Last week was pretty much the worst week I think
night depot
intervene now use on cd? I guess lol
strong forum
Yes
wide pilot
like if u use intervene/charge on cd for max value with reprisal
strong forum
You wanna use intervene, charge and SB basically on CD
Obv not always necessary or possible
strong forum
There's no clear cut answer to that
If you don't use charge and intervene alot, don't play reprisal
Only charging in once and then never using intervene or charge weaving again is not gonna cut it, you have to use intervene literally on CD at the bare minimum
wide pilot
just not sure if im gonna like that play style 😦
jagged pier
never did it before did some boost runs last night and they dps in there kept asking why i was interveneing them when they werent taking damage and at full hp
strong forum
just not sure if im gonna like that play style 😦
If you don't like it, don't play it
It's a game after all 🤷♂️
wide pilot
is the wall still a viable?
strong forum
Ofc
wide pilot
im not looking to push 20s or anything
strong forum
Then it don't matter for shit
mellow gorge
ye therefore play seismic if you want to
if you wanna play for fun, play for fun my man
solid cairn
Only charging in once and then never using intervene or charge weaving again is ...
what is charge weaving?
rough needle
i actually think seismic is prob bis for key levels where you feel safe
jagged pier
it always has been
mellow gorge
run signet on prot lmao
ionic fern
One legendary being good doesn't make the others obsolete.
The Wall is still a very good Legendary. 🙂
mellow gorge
the wall + bolster makes you super tank
wide pilot
now when i was watching plka he was saying he liked the wall over thunderlord for m+ b4 reprisal was changed.. even thought he guides were saying thunderlord is better for m+.
mellow gorge
1.30-2min cooldown average defensives
ionic fern
what is charge weaving?
Charging mid combat.
Stun->Go out->Charge.
Leap->Charge
And stuff like that to get the benefit of Reprisal.
ionic fern
So "weaving" Charge into your rotation.
solid cairn
ok thx
mellow gorge
but it's just not enough
considering you will have to spam TC that doesn't do enough dmg
and probably run unstoppable force to make the most use out of the legendary
ionic fern
now when i was watching plka he was saying he liked the wall over thunderlord fo...
Thunderlords and The Wall both work for m+. It was just a personal preference from him.
wide pilot
maybe ill start with the wall and when i get more soul ash ill make a reprisal and play around with it
ionic fern
Now with Reprisal it's The Wall and Reprisal.
mellow gorge
if they added TL as a last row talent, it'd be quite interesting
wide pilot
yea from what it sounds like not many of the high key pushing warriors like the play style of reprisal but playing it because of how good it is
jagged pier
I enjoy it. 🤷
☝️
wide pilot
lol
wide pilot
most def
mellow gorge
no it has the most offensive, not defensive smh
hardy stratus
How much % of time your shield block should be up in m+ with reprisal in average?
sand condor
pretty much as long as you're getting hit
ionic fern
How much % of time your shield block should be up in m+ with reprisal in average...
80%+ effective uptime.
odd verge
For M+, which conduits provides more value? The one that boosts Rallying Cry or the one that reduces CD on Shockwave.
ionic fern
Safeguard/Rallying Cry.
odd verge
🙏🏼
unique osprey
Best served cold or booming voice with reprisal?
jagged pier
BSC
dusky mica
Reprisal would be so much better if we had intercept back rather than the charge intervene combo
fervent smelt
Which is why I'm loving holy paladin rn..
night depot
feet or legs for leggo or doesnt matter? 🙂
uncut finch
I went for legs just because I already had TL on feet
You know.. in case they ever let us use more than 1 leggo
signal plover
Prolly wouldn't run reprisal with TL tho
Cuz you'd be gimping either one by having to pick between BV/BSC
uncut finch
True
signal plover
Reprisal+seismic damaj dream
uncut finch
Haha
signal plover
Or reprisal+wall mitigation dream
uncut finch
Are you guys still running bolster with reprisal?
strong forum
No
strong forum
Si
uncut finch
Gracias
vestal mason
80%+ effective uptime.
80% sounds really high, if you are lower compared to that, am I doing stuff wrong then? >.<
ionic fern
It's 80%+ effective uptime not overall.
past dagger
If I’m just learning prot and tanking in general is the wall preferable to reprisal or is it ez pz to make good use of?
Mostly doing mythic plus for now
ocean bloom
For ease of use i think wall is safer
signal plover
With reprisal, you just have to be aware of your charge/intervene CDs (WAs help with that) and then plan the movement.
For a brand new prot warr, wall would be much more straightforward to use while you learn the flow of the class
past dagger
How do I make the best use of intervene? I understand it’s a pretty powerful cd. Do I just use it for reprisal or use it for when it would actually help the group?
amber herald
use it for your shield block uptime 99% of the time
you might want to save it for a specific ability every now and again
past dagger
So for the most time ignore the group benefit and use it for reprisal after the initial charge proc falls off?
Same for raid?
I’ll probably craft one leggo for a few weeks
ionic fern
So for the most time ignore the group benefit and use it for reprisal after the ...
There are not actually many places where you would need to use it for the defensive value. Most fixates can be Soothed off.
With Safeguard it gains value but in general you would still use it on CD for Reprisal benefits - just look to target the people who have a dot on them for example.
strong forum
How do I make the best use of intervene? I understand it’s a pretty powerful cd....
Basically on CD
Pretty simple
uncut finch
It's 80%+ effective uptime not overall.
Can we check this on our logs?
ionic fern
Damage taken->Melee->Hits.
past dagger
Alright I’ll stick with reprisal for now and just learn to get guud
plush tendon
Has anyone tried Bonesmith's Ravenous Pendant node (the heal one)? I gave it a go in a ToP this week and it felt good but didnt look to do a lot of my overall healing (funny enough, Spitefall also counts for the heal :))
inland raft
What finesse recommended? Safeguard?
small marsh
Honestly if you charge, SB, wait a few seconds, then intervene a melee, by the time that initial set of SB is wearing off you'll have two charges of SB, by the time those are dropping you'll have another charge of SB, and right there's 32 continuous seconds of shield block
uncut finch
Damage taken->Melee->Hits.
Thx
small marsh
Which is enough time to thin down most packs enough that you're gonna be in good shape even if you're not perfect about using charge and intervene on CD
Ime so far
Reprisal is very easy to use if you don't overthink it
And you'll still get most of the benefit imo
And if after that opening burst of shield block you're in trouble, leap away and kite a bit. With BSC, the two guaranteed super charged Revenges, and spamming revenge, you'll have enough threat to kite a bit (you need to do like 5, maybe 10 seconds) then do the whole cycle again
inland raft
I just tell my druid to trees and dps for a bit and run out when trees get low to begin again
small marsh
Yeah there's lots of ways to skin that cat
I pug a lot so I tend to assume I have to be entirely self sufficient and any group support I get is a bonus
Had a druid last night dropping trees and cyclones and blowing around the Spiteful ghosts and I could have kissed him
inland raft
Im liking my warrior more then dh when with friends but will say i hate pugs on warrior more then i do the dh
small marsh
Warrior is definitely hungry for external support
Makes damn good use of it and provides a lot to the group, though
I think warriors absolutely rock, especially with Reprisal.
inland raft
Ya nearly completed a 14 on first day warrior hit 60 at 162 ilvl last boss pf just proved to be too much, mainly cuz also had a fresh 60 dps too, but been farming 12s solidly now for gear, dh def couldnt do that even in a organized group
pine gust
Damn respect for the healer you brought to that 14 😄
inland raft
Everything went well til last boss then nust had to call it, the dot was too much for how little health had, we neary killed it first go but then it just started getting worse and worse each attempt so called it
strong forum
Pf last boss is a bitch with bad dps
inland raft
Think we were running on momentum that was lost when wiped
strong forum
We once did that boss with 2 firemages
Safe to say, you will struggle alot
1 phase the boss evaporates, then you sit on 2 mages doing less than tank dps farming their combusts back
Adds not dying so you have 2 slappers up
Gg
inland raft
Ya our monk main was on his new shammy, if he had stuck with his monk foe that key i think we would have pulled it off
small marsh
Agreed with Terence, your healer has balls the size of Jupiter
strong forum
I mean it's fine tbh
inland raft
First wipe was only 5k on boss after that we just seemed to fall apart
Was a feelsbad but was fun
strong forum
If you don't have pugs, especially in PF you can get away with being undergeard
The bosses don't hurt tanks, neither do mobs
Half the dungeon plays itself
inland raft
Ya i love my healer though
inland raft
Lol
pine gust
Well the packs before 3rth boss are pretty nasty, and the island pack also packs quite the punch
signal plover
3rth
signal plover
^
inland raft
Only thing scary is my boomie and my healer started dating, its like workplace relationships, as the tank it makes me scared if things dont go well with them what could do to group
inland raft
Ya can only hope things go great for them cuz otherwise i lose a great boomie or great healer, but just gotta go woth the flow
Both are great
pine gust
Agreed, it will end in misery or babies either way it ruins groups 😄
strong forum
Cuz a) one is bound to be worse than the other
b) they only ever play together
c) if things go south you lose 2 players
mild ruin
just tried tanking first 14 key this week and got pushed like a clothie, tryna go over everything make sure im doing it right, what talent with reprisal are people using for level 50 tier?
amber siren
AM
jagged pier
just tried tanking first 14 key this week and got pushed like a clothie, tryna g...
logs?
mild ruin
I didnt log, expected it to go much better
strong forum
Reprisal pwar is the hardest tank to play
mild ruin
im also on a laptop so logging makes it want to explode
strong forum
So don't expect instant results
mild ruin
Ofc, i actually did muchbetter last week
since last week ive gained 15 ilvl and lost 400 haste
inland raft
As a momentum dh main i found reprisal really easy to slip into
strong forum
Well that's just tyra vs fort then Mijae
solemn magnet
Rly? Logging shouldn't stress your pc
strong forum
People underestimate the influence of tyra vs fort
Fort = more tank dmg
Tyr = longer boss fights
mild ruin
yeah, gonna give another key a go and log it
pine gust
Also for some reason people think they need to save cooldowns for bosses, and not just use it on trash in forti weeks 😒
uneven sable
What’s your ilvl atm?
mild ruin
210
strong forum
Shield or scale
mild ruin
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/wildhammer/jaelthas if you have any suggestions im welcome
strong forum
Everything else just safe until you get shield and scale
Trinkets are fine tbh
I see no issue
orchid frigate
ugh panicked a bit on my first key today when spiteful spawned and i just saw red nameplates all over the place
mild ruin
0 help in survivability tho? 😛
strong forum
So?
strong forum
I don't use defensive trinkets either
jagged pier
nah not really im only average tbh
mild ruin
ive played prot warrior less than 6 days :p
jagged pier
but ummm dont run heavy reprocussion
mild ruin
ive swapped now
jagged pier
run AM
mild ruin
i asked and its been swapped 😛
mild ruin
they were talents i was using for raid
inland raft
If you have plater or another nameplate mod you can set up custom colors for spiteful @orchid frigate
mild ruin
3/1/1/1/2/3/1 atm
inland raft
Cuz i agree it can be a but offputting seeing all those red plates as a tank sometimes
plush tendon
I got me a big 226 scale yesterday 🙂 I love it, but I wished I had more keybinds
I feel like my Prot Warrior just has too many damn buttons
orchid frigate
If you have plater or another nameplate mod you can set up custom colors for spi...
aah ok. will look into that. thanks!
inland raft
If make use of your modifier keys i dont think there is any class that should make you need any crazy keybinds
I think the furthest key from neutral i press is shift-r or shift-g
Mostly its all around my wasd with modifiers
night depot
i can comfortably do up to G/t
ionic fern
I just added some streamers into the F.A.Q section for a Prot PoV.
If you know of any other solid and educational player/streamer that plays Protection Warrior let me know and i will look into it.
placid oar
I just added some streamers into the F.A.Q section for a Prot PoV.
If you know o...
thanks for this Mwahi, definitely helpful
Prot warrior streamers are hard to find
mild ruin
crystal elm
I'm new can I get some help pls? Which one do you think would be better for raiding and m+?
mild ruin
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PjYpzg1kdRJc9nDT/#fight=last go nuts
how do i view my overall block rate in logs?
plush tendon
how do i view my overall block rate in logs?
damage taken, how many hits were blocked
sweet summit
yourself -> damage taken -> mouseover melee hits
mild ruin
is it counting them as parries because im seeing a lot of parries and no blocks 😛
nvm seen
crystal elm
https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910
How does simming work for mitigation?
I thought it was just for dps
mild ruin
68% block , i feel like that needs to be much higher right?
plush tendon
How does simming work for mitigation?
Neither trinket will provide that much mitigation, or will be very 'close'
sweet summit
idk how strong the 226 spike is after buffs and shit
but it was pretty mediocre before
im a big fan of alacrity tho
plush tendon
always a big fan of stats
mild ruin
is that mine erga?
sweet summit
yea
mild ruin
why cant i see that
crystal elm
cool thanks bois
sweet summit
82% is solid
mild ruin
okay 82.5% block, i feel like thats a more approachable number
plush tendon
dat pretty good
solemn magnet
Yup, don't you love reprisal?
crystal elm
if dps is bitching about it they're prolly just trash
plush tendon
I mean, is it any different then a VDH jumping out?
crystal elm
tank and mobs gotta move in m+
inland raft
I mean if fo the leap out and charge fast enough mobs dont move a ton
Better then dh leap and kite to Africa
strong forum
Yeah my mage was Hella confused
Why I move out this much
(we did 9 keys together) and he still doesn't understand
plush tendon
LEL
strong forum
sweet summit
just tell them youre standing still and that they are lagging 
plush tendon
I move a lot, unless I need to face tank cause of anti kite mechanics
bust your load, run away, throw axe
strong forum
He's just baiting but still
If the mobs don't stand still perfectly still
He will complain
mild ruin
lmao i just started playing with an ele sham
silent fog
mouseover melee hits
holshit, i was always hovering on the bar...
mild ruin
im trying so hard to stand still
plush tendon
Dem 4 second hard cast flamestrikes be like that though
such degenerate game play for fire
mild ruin
agreed
plush tendon
I dont know what they need to do to move away from the current style of fire, but it just aint fun sometimes
inland raft
Honestly most mages prob better off frost
lavish hare
Guys, could you please tell me your best route for TOP 15?
subtle stream
I would say they will swing the pendulum to far and nerf fire to much come 9.1 but they haven't nerfed fire for the longest time in pve and pvp so
inland raft
Fires value is mongo pulls around combust most keys arent run in an ideal way for fire
plush tendon
I would say they will swing the pendulum to far and nerf fire to much come 9.1 b...
well they actually 'buffed' fire by buffing one of their class specific legos
now they casting frost bolts
strong forum
Guys, could you please tell me your best route for TOP 15?
Go the gladiator wing, then do first room of the disease wing, go to ghost wing, take right Portal then left Portal, then skip the 1 big patrol in disease wing.
lavish hare
I usualy go for Sense’s one, where you take portals first, Right left left, then take first adds on Xav’s room and go back to Gorechop, them Xav and bam
jagged pier
Go the gladiator wing, then do first room of the disease wing, go to ghost wing,...
☝️
plush tendon
he knows de way
sweet summit
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inland raft
Im a big fan of intervening whoever annoys me the most with pride
lavish hare
Thank you all
north rampart
With 2 hunters in the group should anyone pull threat from me ever?
sudden current
One of the hunters MD the other would 🤣
sick sentinel
I dont know what they need to do to move away from the current style of fire, bu...
They need combust to not affect flamestrike and reduce FS cast time.
plush tendon
They need combust to not affect flamestrike and reduce FS cast time.
I think there should be more of a incentive to cast fireball into a hotstreak flamestrike rather then hard cast flamestrike. Granted, I am not a mage theory crafter or class designer and only play my mage for the funs
wanton harness
I think there should be more of a incentive to cast fireball into a hotstreak fl...
switched from mage to warr just because i thought hardcasting flamestrikes was shit gameplay
remote hawk
switched from mage to warr just because i thought hardcasting flamestrikes was s...
My shamans namn is sharkbait, did you also get it from "Finding Nemo" ? xD
median tulip
Isn't Sharkbait the parrot from the first boss in Freehold?
remote hawk
Might be. Only did it a few times since I started playing again late bfa so can't remember ^^
median tulip
It's kinda burned into my mind. I fucking hated Freehold
plush tendon
Ok, Freehold may not be Junkyard with dem shockbots, but hate is a strong word
lost dust
Is IQD any good for us?
plush tendon
Is IQD any good for us?
gives massive stats, CD probably lines up with something relatively easy. Aint bad
jagged pier
and thats if another condition isnt met u get the stats
plush tendon
and thats just another weakaura to track -_-
Im personally not a fan, but I wouldnt avoid using one if you have it
jagged pier
i mean IQD is a bait
plush tendon
you think so?
narrow sparrow
I'm getting my ass completely blasted on M Inerva anyone have some pointers?
mossy sluice
she do that
call for externals if you need to block shades that spawn behind oyu
i run the wall/am and try to wall every time i get 2 stacks and use my rage on IP when im not actively tanking
that dot fucks
vague jetty
Are you running AM sandwich
narrow sparrow
no
vague jetty
Consider running am there for lower wall uptime, you can’t block the dot damage so bolster isn’t as strong as bosses where most the damage is white hits
jagged pier
I'm getting my ass completely blasted on M Inerva anyone have some pointers?
turn to face the things, swap at 1 stack from about 65%-25%
run AM as u get more Shield walls
if your running the wall
actually spamm IP
narrow sparrow
yeah I'm running the wall
you wall the dot while not actively tanking? My cotank instantly taunts when I get 2 stacks
mossy sluice
yeah the dot is fucking retarded
plush tendon
Dot is a big boo boo
mossy sluice
narrow sparrow
damn
mossy sluice
from our kill last night
jagged pier
you wall the dot while not actively tanking? My cotank instantly taunts when I g...
there is a point in the fight for about 40% where u can swap on 1
makes it a less hurt
narrow sparrow
ok we'll try that
jagged pier
its like 65% we found
plush tendon
she also has a very fast melee attack (like a auto per second)
but the dangerous part is the dot
mossy sluice
also you can be targeted by the add spawning mechanic on 3rd/4th set of adds
and 5th potentially idk
vague jetty
Are you many attempts in? When you get a handful of attempts, you’ll identify the spots in the fight where you are most likely to die, for me, it was during an add set with the dot while one of the healers had linked. Those are the good spots to wall
mossy sluice
and thats a like 28k shadow damage hit so be sure to spell reflect those sets
plush tendon
whats the CD on Shield Wall with AM and the Wall
mossy sluice
1 min ish
vague jetty
Depends on your haste and ability usage too
mossy sluice
yeah and just lucky ss resets
narrow sparrow
It was our first night of prog after reclear. Only like 14 pulls. I'm just asking because I haven't been scared of dying in any mythic fight until now.
mossy sluice
healer familiarity could also be a part of it. they can be targeted by geometry again so if they have to go do that and it takes them awhile youre essentially 2 healing until people figure out how lines work
signal plover
IP is actually a strong smooth on M Inerva prog when not actively tanking. Start using it aggressively and then back off as you get more comfortable
You'll find some pretty natural SW points where it makes a big difference
I think I started rolling mine almost off the bat after the first tank swap
strong forum
I just press button
👍
Also assign 1 healer to be tank bitch
We once killed it with rsham double priest, forced one of the priests to go holy and focus only on tanks, otherwise we'd just flop
signal plover
Is one healer still always picked for geometry...been awhile since we've recleared
strong forum
If you have an hpal tho he takes care of tanks alone
signal plover
We would feel the pain every time our hpal got geometry lol
strong forum
We killed her like 5 times and never with the same raid comp
Was... Interesting to say the least
orchid frigate
gonna pug a key now and trying to help the russian warlock understand that he needs to banish blob on first boss in PF. can i link him the spell somehow?
forest fern
remember also she can pick a tank for the add spawn, with a prep weakaura you can burn spell reflect on every one and potentially stop a spawn for the raid
mossy sluice
think if you grab the spell link from wowhead it auto translates for them when they click it
plush tendon
Darkvein was actually one of our better fights when we were progging on it; our bane are fights with mechs and personal responsibility, but Darkvein felt very brute force
languid flower
that surprises me
I would have thought darkvein was one of the more mech and personal responsibility heavy fights
superceded only by council, generals, and sire
but I've never set foot in mythic, so it's all conjecture
plush tendon
the only real mechanic was doing the lines if I remember
mossy sluice
inervas only gimmick is the triangles and once you get that down its just soaking bottles and not letting casts get off
plush tendon
Otherwise, by pushing her fast enough you dont even deal with the canisters
strong forum
Darkvein was actually one of our better fights when we were progging on it; our ...
Personal responsibility, the bane of every shit guild
Amen
small marsh
I feel like my Prot Warrior just has too many damn buttons
Fucking #mood
I have about 35 keybinds and wish I had another 10
languid flower
I've actually got a few free, but that's probably because I'm bad
plush tendon
Personal responsibility, the bane of every shit guild
We are a bunch of average gamers on a rampage XD
languid flower
and because they're really hard to reach and would screw them up anyway
plush tendon
Ive actually added a bunch more keybinds going into this expansions with new abilities being added and COV abilities. Most of my toons feel good, but my warrior is just a anomaly
which is also frustrating, since I actually use most, if not all, of those abilities
languid flower
I've made good use of modifiers
plush tendon
I like to put taunt on crt alt P
languid flower
got all my CDs activatable using mod buttons
plush tendon
but in all seriousness, yea modifiers are the way to go
I know some people who dont use WASD, but rather use ESDF
languid flower
I started down that path a LONG time ago
my hand has slowly migrated east over the expansions
now I'm at YGHJ for this expansion
plush tendon
so taunt on P is actually doable for you xD
languid flower
my taunt's on K
shield slam on F (alt uses demoralizing shout)
my thumb rests on the gap between right alt and the spacebar
crisp dragon
my hand has slowly migrated east over the expansions
We're evolving, just backwards
watch us in a few years use arrow keys like kids games
languid flower
so I use right alt as my mod button for everything
languid flower
watch us in a few years use arrow keys like kids games
hahaha
plush tendon
so I use right alt as my mod button for everything
now thats degenerate
narrow sparrow
I had to step out for a minute, thanks for all the help with inerva
languid flower
I have all my interface panes mapped to control+button
lime trail
the only non-numbers I use are G,R, and their shift variants, with G being the only thing to have an actual spell on it
languid flower
I use the numbers 3-9, but have 1 and 2 mapped in case I ever figure out a good use for them (too far to use well with consistency)
lime trail
I do admit I might shake things up soon, I've got Stormbolt all the way down at Shift+Num7
languid flower
and I know my hand is in the correct position because I can feel the raised bumps on f and j on my pinky and index finger respectively.
I'm actually really happy with this setup so far. Right hand gets to stay on the mouse all the time, which gives me great camera control and facing control
night depot
how often do you guys use victory rush? i sort of use when possible is this the right thing to do?
jagged pier
yus
languid flower
try to use it when you'll get the full benefit, but don't wait any longer than that
If you've got other things going on in your brain, using it every chance you get is better than not using it
so err on the side of too often.
But I always design my button layouts to try and keep hand movement to a minimum, the most often pressed buttons front and center, the most important buttons well within reach, and the ones I don't want to use at the wrong time (CDs) in a place that protects them from that (right now, that's hidden behind a mod key)
solar spear
you can use a WA to track the buff duration so you dont lose it
languid flower
reduces strain, increases reaction time, and maximizes consistency.
the downside being that every expansion I basically have to re-do the entire layout (although admittedly, this is mostly the same as legion), but I've done that anyway as my hand has migrated east
Yeah, WA can definitely help keep track of when your buffs are available for use and whatnot. But clicking the button at the right time is something that should factor in to your decision about HOW you will click the button
Don't want the o-shit button easy to accidentally press
(that's the macro that uses all available cds, healthstones, pots, trinkets, etc)
But also don't want it so far away that you can't get to it in time
mossy sluice
u have a macro that presses every defensive?
languid flower
yup!
mossy sluice
y tho
mossy sluice
i dont think that needs to exist
jagged pier
we dont have oh shit buttons
obtuse prism
wait we're supposed to have an o-shit button? I thought we just rotate thru our cds and keep em on cd
jagged pier
@obtuse prism u are correct
limpid pawn
macroing all of them is not a good habit IMO
solar spear
i dont have one but i suppose it might be useful if youre gonna die and cant see quickly what you have up? not something you would want to use 99.9% of the time?
languid flower
It's the button you hit when you realize you're standing in bad floor with no way out, and you don't know which CD's are available to save you but you know some of them are down and some of them are up and you need at least 2 to survive, but you don't have the time to push 2 buttons.
mossy sluice
i can hit every defensive on my keyboard in like .1 second
languid flower
yes, it's very clear that you got there by fucking up
but I've had it save me quite a few times over my career
I put one on every character
admittedly, it's most dangerous on a tank
limpid pawn
the whole goal of tanking well/at a high level I'd say is using the minimum necessary CD's to chain them together and smooth your damage intake
languid flower
yes, you are correct
limpid pawn
also being aware of when your cds are coming up/how long they have left etc. I think if it's been a long time and these are things you still aren't aware of, you need better weak auras or a system to track them better
languid flower
I've also had it save me from supposed-to-be-instant-death mechanics like standing in ravage
mossy sluice
ravage prevents healing from happening
languid flower
you get enough reduction and you'd be surprised what you can survive
mossy sluice
so you just need wall and/or ls
languid flower
What was the big aoe thing the final boss in legion did?
robust surge
oh lawd
limpid pawn
we are talking about like shield wall + last stand vs just one of them if
tardy parcel
for a dude who won't be stepping into mythic raid beyond shriekwing, is ritualist's treasured ring (from inerva) at 213 one of our best rings? i'm trying to figure out what i should bother socketing... i have a death god's signet as well that i'm going to boost up to 220 with valor, but j/w what the right play here is - or if there's a second ring from a m+ dungeon that's better than ritualist's at a higher ilvl
mossy sluice
plaguefall?
mossy sluice
for a dude who won't be stepping into mythic raid beyond shriekwing, is ritualis...
denathrius ring is $$ if 226s are out of your reach
languid flower
Anyways, I'm just saying if the choice is between dying or blowing all my CD's, I'm going to blow all my CD's and see if we can recover.
jagged pier
wing buffet hit me for 40k
sidestep
alpine mantle
you guys still prefer the wall over reprisal?
jagged pier
no
languid flower
not for mythic+
mossy sluice
i still play the wall in raid
languid flower
I'll take the wall in CN most of the time, but depends on the fight
jagged pier
i play repirsal in raid
languid flower
I prefer the wall on sire
don't get many charges p2
but you get a lot p3 so it's up for debate
definitely want the wall on generals
robust surge
@jagged pier yeah I honestly didn't know it banged like that
was grabbing plagueroc + big abomination + that first pack with the left plagueborer
gray herald
is running spectral stam better then power if im 210?
sweet summit
stamina flask is never worth it
cant think of a single situation where id use stam over power
gray herald
just figured maybe it would be better for 12+ since my ilvl is low
languid flower
unless you bought a full stack of them a long time ago and need to use them up
gray herald
power it is then
gray herald
okay heres something else im confused about i have a dagger and a mace both 210 im assuming the mace would be better no?
even tho i cant use a sharpening stone on it
languid flower
weightstone
strong forum
daggers dont have strength.
mossy sluice
theres no way the dagger has str on it
elfin nova
Can you even equip it
mossy sluice
does it have strength
mossy sluice
or int D:
strong forum
yey sidegrade
sweet summit
L E E C H
elfin nova
u cant use revenge with daggers
Also this is kinda important
strong forum
leech is my old one
sweet summit
o 
elfin nova
Keep old one tbh
elfin nova
L e e c h
sweet summit
wtf fury
elfin nova
My cotank brewmaster dual wields 2h artifacts
elfin nova
Big mogs
strong forum
god mog
astral crystal
disgust
mighty cairn
if you're only rolling for rings/neck from vault, anyone know if it's better to open vault in arms/fury spec c
or do all specs have the same number of choices offered?
sweet summit
arms
fury has two+one handers
prot has shield+onehanders
arms only has 2 handers
grave crane
If I’ve never tanked a mythic and only tank heroic nathria what’s a solid key level to start with?
strong forum
If I’ve never tanked a mythic and only tank heroic nathria what’s a solid key le...
15
strong forum
if you do any lower keys you wont notice mistakes to learn from
grave crane
Well that is true, I don’t know about 15 but I’ll probably kill my 11 key and see how that goes. Appreciate the insight
night depot
how do I make a WA cd for phial cant seem to do it right?
orchid frigate
pugging two day isnt going well. second try on PF. healer dies on blighted spinebreaker since standing in belch. i get blamed for not turning the mob away. 😦
languid flower
I thought Fury wielded two 2-handers?
orchid frigate
pug over
obsidian wharf
Trinket Help Please:
[Bargast's Leash] 226
[Gluttonous Spike] 226
[Splintered Heart of Al'ar] 226
[Stone Legion Heraldry] 220
Which of these are best for raid tanking.
mossy sluice
spike heraldry imo
obsidian wharf
In combo with what?
languid flower
that was the combo
mossy sluice
gluttonous spike + stone legion heraldry
worn crest
^ agreed
languid flower
When did fury go back to 1-handers?
mossy sluice
they can use either or now in sl. think 2 handers are slightly better if equal ilvl
languid flower
oh, they're flexible. got it
I'm pure prot, so I don't know about the other specs
floral pewter
the vault has gifted me with a 220 and then a 226 tank weapon, so now I play fury SMF offspec, haha
a lot better than my 197 2h for arms
wanton condor
same here, easiest way to offspec
craggy pilot
@strong forum what main hand is that? 😮
latent oyster
Is Barghast trinket good and worth using over Splintered Heart of Al'ar?
Just god Barghast trinket 226 and i dont know if its good...
night depot
would anyone have a clue to why after i've changed covenants i can't collect souls from the maw? just isnt working I have the usual quest? :S
modern brook
do you have the quest from before you swapped
modern brook
turn it off and on again then make a support ticket
alternatively abandon the quest and regrab it
dapper coral
I think the servers in general are kinda pooped now
craggy pilot
whats the best conduit setup for Venthyr?
night depot
for future reference, I couldnt collect souls because I didnt complete the first campaign thing, but had enough renown from other activities to get the quest by the looks!
sweet summit
<@!192743144276623360> what main hand is that? 😮
thats a fury artifact weapon
craggy pilot
how can you use that as Prot? 😮
floral pewter
yeah, the campaign quest to collect souls locks you out of the weekly, that's also why we didn't have a second weekly way back at launch
sweet kayak
/cast [nomod,target=party1] intervene, how to always set it up on a melee, I usually keep changing numbers from 1 to 4 till it works
sweet summit
how can you use that as Prot? 😮
since fury can use 1 handers, it should be under 1 handed swords. they are class wide now with SL
craggy pilot
i just tried that, but when i switch to prot it removes the mog 😦
@sweet kayak i have this, probably not what youre looking for 😄 but for me it choses nearest party most of the time
patent osprey
I would probably get out of the habit of intervening like that :/
you should be choosing who to intervene based off of their position or who u can save by giving them a 13% dr from the intervene conduit
craggy pilot
yea thats why i have it to mouseover main, and random as fallback
sweet summit
ya nome might be hacing and taking the picture in fury spec
sweet kayak
Ok, thanks Pika and Nielsen!
plush tendon
Do you think the intervene finese conduit is better then the rally finese conduit? Or do you run double finese
uneven mason
in raid, probably rally
craggy pilot
i know theres something with Frost DK, where they can mog their 1hs to look like 2 2hs 🤔
plush tendon
in raid, probably rally
more so for M+
uneven mason
True, since M+ tends to be a lot more harsh in upper keys than raid ever gets.
and you have 4~ healers in raid
M+ you have a DPS who is kinda healing (hopefully)
plush tendon
I use rally a lot in dungeons; prides, certain boss mechs, and very dangerous packs. With reprisal though, I do intervene pretty much on CD so
craggy pilot
M+ you have a DPS who is kinda healing (hopefully)
is that the general playstyle of high M+? healer is basically a hybrid?
uneven mason
I'm starting to think that the universe does not want me to get KSM. Got my "optimal" guild group on, ready to grind out keys, get to the trash pack before last boss. And my kid has exorcist level vomit all over her room and the hallway.
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
uneven mason
is that the general playstyle of high M+? healer is basically a hybrid?
If your healer isn't on the DPS meters you replace them!
plush tendon
is that the general playstyle of high M+? healer is basically a hybrid?
I mean, they still have to pump healing. But groups tend to take less damage from avoidable sources, CDs and routes are planned very meticulously
craggy pilot
how would a shaman do dmg then? they only have meatballs :>
i guess thats why HPal and Disc is the goto
uneven mason
the holydin I run with 90% Of her Holy shocks don't get used for healing
uneven mason
how would a shaman do dmg then? they only have meatballs :>
use the Earth Elemental glyph
and yeah LB
plush tendon
the holydin I run with 90% Of her Holy shocks don't get used for healing
When Ashen Hollow is down, the only healing you getting is from that
plush tendon
how would a shaman do dmg then? they only have meatballs :>
part of the reason why Hpal is now the 'top' healer is they meet the HPS required in high keys, have good dungeon CDs they can plan around, but they can also pump without losing throughput
craggy pilot
yea ashen seems fucking crazy
plush tendon
Its a REAL CD
uneven mason
Sadly she's Kyrian
plush tendon
Kyrian also good
uneven mason
not ashen hallow good
plush tendon
less bursty, but reliable
plush tendon
I run with two Hpals, one who uses Ashen and one who uses Kyrian
craggy pilot
doesnt rly feel like y ou have a lot of dmg as Resto Sham tho 😦
plush tendon
overall is very similar
uneven mason
doesnt rly feel like y ou have a lot of dmg as Resto Sham tho 😦
You don't
its sad
however resto shm are truckers for healing throughput
craggy pilot
would be cool for PvE if the Earth Element LEggo reduced the CD as well
uneven mason
and have 3 major CDs
craggy pilot
but it would be kinda OP for PvP i think 😄
plush tendon
If we ever see mages and other lust classes fall out of favor in the DPS meta for M+, shaman will probably take a spot
craggy pilot
was vs a RSham in 2v2 who used it, and he did as much dps as the dps for the first 1min
uneven mason
If we ever see mages and other lust classes fall out of favor in the DPS meta fo...
Elemental was on track to be a meta spec, but then they got the legs ripped out from under their CL damage early on
"oops"
plush tendon
Im high on Ele shamans
thats a buy buy buy spec
telling every person I see who has had their class nerfed or changed (mostly hunters) that ele is the new hotness
plush tendon
mine is mage; I know some mages are unhappy since they are now casting frostbolt as fire
uneven mason
prior to this patch if you got your LB rolling it was like dropping truck sized hammers on whoever was unfortunate enough to get hit by you
now, more like sedan sized hammers
"fun detected"
plush tendon
If ele shamans didnt get their BiS lego from the last world boss, I think more people would have stuck with it
But right now, MDI is currently buff the fire mage
XD
mild ruin
Been testing a buff the fire mage comp with banner, it’s pretty nice ngl
plush tendon
I ❤️ my banner
uneven mason
But right now, MDI is currently buff the fire mage
Its because fire has a true "uncapped" AE ability
plush tendon
however, new problem. Who the hell is Kyrian now
uneven mason
that double dips
plush tendon
its dumb
mild ruin
Paladin
uneven mason
however, new problem. Who the hell is Kyrian now
Post nerfs in NW, the real question is, who cares?
mild ruin
Augusto are you Necro? Mind If I Pm some questions?
uneven mason
chilly brook
Kyrian legit least impactful dungeon bonuses I swear
uneven mason
Swapped from best PVP covenant, to 2nd best PVP covenant.
plush tendon
sure, or just ask 🙂 I only swapped like two weeks ago
mild ruin
Necro had least impactful till this of h :p
craggy pilot
you saying Kyrian is best PvP Covenant?
chilly brook
Necro had least impactful till this of h :p
Negative
uneven mason
Kyrian legit least impactful dungeon bonuses I swear
1 spear and a golem buff that doesn't affect any of the "pinch" points of the dungeon..fact checks out.
chilly brook
Permanent bloodlust was kinda nuts
deft gazelle
what slot would you guys recommend for the wall leggo?
i have reprisal already and only that as its been a neglected alt lol
craggy pilot
the amount of dmg in Venthyr is just way better than having that stupid spear that misses 50% of the time when someone blinks
uneven mason
True, you can also condemn BoP'd healers
plush tendon
and provides a little damage reduction 🙂
sterile moss
what slot would you guys recommend for the wall leggo?
i have reprisal already ...
Shoulder
plush tendon
big PVP gains
craggy pilot
i was losing Mirror match vs Venthyr warr who had 10 ilvl less
might be a lot of factors
chilly brook
1 spear and a golem buff that doesn't affect any of the "pinch" points of the du...
And all the items in NW dont even require you to be Kyrian
craggy pilot
but a Venthyr warrior doing 100k dmg more than me in a 2s, with 10 ilvl less just because he is Venthyr 🤷
chilly brook
Necro had least impactful till this of h :p
10% vers all of a dungeon and further reduced damage and perma bloodlust/extra aoe damage/dr is definitely better than Kyrian bonuses
uneven mason
And all the items in NW dont even require you to be Kyrian
Yeah, what sort of deisgn oversight was that, the weapons can be stacked up and be WAAAAY more impactful than the golems in NW
mild ruin
But I liked my spermy golem balls
uneven mason
ALthough I can honestly say, the NF stuff in Mists is pretty low impact
skipping 1 trash pack and a "if you suck" respawn point
distant crystal
doesn't matter though cause you'll always have a nf in like 90% of keys
it's just gravy
mild ruin
The urns in DoS are big tho
chilly brook
Yeah, what sort of deisgn oversight was that, the weapons can be stacked up and ...
Well to be fair, they were afterthoughts to begin with
uneven mason
gets more people who are not used to it killed.
distant crystal
people seem to underestimate the range
chilly brook
ALthough I can honestly say, the NF stuff in Mists is pretty low impact
10% extra main stat is pretty stronk tbh
distant crystal
and try to gather everything too close to the urn
uneven mason
and try to gather everything too close to the urn
the 1 caster pack, people engage before they're moved, and get chunked
distant crystal
thinking mainly for the one before hakkar
chilly brook
Also no NF means really weird routing and prideful
uneven mason
omfg the # of times I've had that turn into a crapball
chilly brook
For mists
naive panther
There’s always a fae
chilly brook
You can also kill the pack that most people skip after killing tirnan villager pack and skip the one by the mushroom grove without needing anything special
Its just a very tight line you have to follow on the left hand side coming out
uneven mason
ah didn't realize you didn't need stealth, yeah that was the one I was mentioning
since you pull the extra pack at the front
can skip the 2 after the villager
Got prideful on the last pack before Misty twice in a row, felt like winning the lotto
cinder nova
I remember someone showing a lineup of trinket DPS for prot, does anyone have it?
jagged pier
Nome teach me keeps failing for me
signal plover
Like a police line up?
deep steppe
ok bois
i have a ring question
so i have a 213 socket Inerva ring, and a 220 plaguefall ring
last night i got this
signal plover
What's it selling for on your server?
jagged pier
not worth unless u play on pushing like 24s and need the vers imo
other take the gold
deep steppe
kk ty bois
blazing condor
how much Valor do you need to upgrade a 210 to 220?
mighty valley
depends on the item
spring crescent
Does anyone have any tips on how to properly make use of intervene? Really struggling with it atm
mighty valley
x3 for three ranks
dapper coral
Does anyone have any tips on how to properly make use of intervene? Really strug...
Want to stay in melee? Intervene a melee.
Want to get out of melee? Intervene a ranged.
mighty valley
Does anyone have any tips on how to properly make use of intervene? Really strug...
For Reprisal? I just use a mouseover macro and when I want the proc, I press the hotkey on the unit frame for someone in melee
blazing condor
Thanks Harrow 🙂
dapper coral
For Reprisal, you're generally just going to be intervening a melee on CD
small marsh
I also use it to rescue moron mDPS from spite ghosts if the timing lines up
sick sentinel
for someone that wants to play a lot of prot and fury, would you recommend night fae or kyrian?
small marsh
Either
I'm Kyrian and like it, a lot of people in here swear by NF
NF is probably better for Fury, I think Kyrian is better for prot
sick sentinel
i think i was leaning towards kyrian
small marsh
The class abilities are very on par imo, I think phial is way better than yiffwarp
sick sentinel
im going to be tanking to get gear more than fury most likely
sick sentinel
The class abilities are very on par imo, I think phial is way better than yiffwa...
thank you btw
distant crystal
yoohooooo
small marsh
The covenants are all pretty damn close in performance, at most they're like a few percent apart in overall score
So play what's fun
sick sentinel
kyrian is much better for pvp as well i believe, if i decide to do some of that on this alt :^)
cinder nova
NF is probably better for Fury, I think Kyrian is better for prot
Depends on what you're after. Kyrian is like a couple hundred DPS less than NF.
cinder nova
If you're a pumper NF all the way, if you want a more balanced tank approach (damage/survival) Kyrian is more apt.
uneven mason
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cinder nova
But it doesn't have anything particular going for it over any other covenant.
small marsh
Is it really? I thought they were almost the same damage output, good to know
cinder nova
No.
small marsh
Word haha
cinder nova
Pelagos is like straight 200 DPS less than Niya
small marsh
Oh right the conduits
cinder nova
Burrs is pretty bonkers.
small marsh
Yeah Kyrian conduits all blow chunks
cinder nova
Also AA hits harder than Kyrian Spear.
Like - way harder.
My spear peaked at around 13K on crits and I busted 21K this morning on an AA in a +16
amber herald
AA needs 5 targets though
cinder nova
Not it doesn't? The damage isn't increase with targets.
It's just capped at 5.
That said, NF is probably objectively better for M+ because it autokicks casters which can be a huge godsend.
Also the trickle of their mastery with Niya seems to make for a smoother damage intake, at least my guild's healers think so.
small marsh
I might switch for that knockdown alone, goddamn
cinder nova
Yeah it's really good.
Spear isn't a slouch in M+, but it's only good for melee.
AA is good for melee and ranged.
small marsh
I pulled up numbers, spear totals 230% damage and AA totals 360%
AAs initial damage is 220%, almost as much as spears overall
cinder nova
It's pretty stronk.
small marsh
Also with Reprisal we're not really hurting for the ability to stand in place and beat things to death for a while
plush tendon
AA is hard capped, while spear is not though
small marsh
I'm probably switching lol
cinder nova
I mean, north of 16-17 M+ is gonna smash your head in blocking anyway.
solemn magnet
That said, NF is probably objectively better for M+ because it autokicks casters...
I think they is subjective. You're bound to get the initial kick, but most mob casters are less than 3 seconds long so they end up getting casts off anyways.
cinder nova
You're gonna be dancing in and out, especially on forts.
cinder nova
I think they is subjective. You're bound to get the initial kick, but most mob c...
It does more damage and can stop casts. How is that "subjective?"
small marsh
Wowhead has them both at reduced damage to targets beyond , in the tooltip
cinder nova
Lol.
solemn magnet
Because it doesn't always get more casts off?
It does do more dmg tho
You ain't wrong
small marsh
You've gotta get one pulse of AA for it to deal more damage than spear
solemn magnet
I'm saying, after the first it doesn't always stop casts
plush tendon
Wowhead has them both at reduced damage to targets beyond , in the tooltip
Spear says "deals reduced damage beyond 5" whereas AA says "up to 5"
small marsh
Honestly the thing that pisses me off about spear is the (plethora) of enemies that fucking ignore the tether
solemn magnet
I mean... The casts are literally shorter than 3 seconds long. They're not getting stopped
By AA at least
cinder nova
You seem really hung up on the knockdown when even without it it's better.
I'm pointing out arguing it as subjective is just polemical bullshit.
small marsh
Oh nm augusto is right and I'm dumb
solemn magnet
I'm not hung up. I agreed with you the initial is good and does more dmg?
small marsh
AA is hard capped at 5
This whole argument seems weirdly combative and I feel like you folks are talking past each other some
Tbh
cinder nova
If you go Necro make sure you got 2 DPS who use mastery there to simp for your banner.
grave crane
I was about to ask lol
plush tendon
If you go Necro make sure you got 2 DPS who use mastery there to simp for your b...
I will, and they give me cookies for doing so 🙂
small marsh
Do fire mages use mastery?
grave crane
Fire mage and boomy got it
small marsh
I thought they didn't
cinder nova
They do.
small marsh
But they sim great with banner
cinder nova
Haste and Mastery are their two highest stats.
small marsh
Aight a friend lied to me lol
grave crane
They were like 7% increase on the file list
solemn magnet
Uhdks probably your 3rd favorite friend
grave crane
Yeah and ret too
cinder nova
Fire, MM, UDK, and Boomies
dapper coral
Afflocks too
plush tendon
Unholy DKs, Ret paladin, Fire, MM, Boomies, Affliction locks
grave crane
I have all those in my raid so yay
small marsh
Does the % on secondary stats scale linearly with how much of the stat you have?
cinder nova
Ret and Aff can use it, but they're kinda dog-ass DPS anyway.
So it's unlike you're gonna use it on them.
cinder nova
Does the % on secondary stats scale linearly with how much of the stat you have?
No, there's DR.
grave crane
I thought afflock was good
cinder nova
There are better RDPS.
Only reason I'd take an Aff is for cookies.
You're not stacking them.
solemn magnet
Afflict gets good use of it on bosses. Trash, it really depends considering the boomie will prolly blow CDs with banner
small marsh
Icy veins has fire mage stats as haste vers top prio lol
plush tendon
is this raid or M+
small marsh
St in general
plush tendon
no I mean whos a good DPS
cinder nova
I'm talking raids.
plush tendon
Fire mage stats change based upon what they have and not have
cinder nova
Honestly I've never brought an Aff into M+ now that I think about it.
plush tendon
LOL, meta slave 😛
cinder nova
Never even paired with a lock lol.
Nah, just don't see any at a high io in my battlegroup.
cinder nova
Meta doesn't really kick in until like 18+ I think.
You can feel the pinch at around 15-17+
small marsh
My thinking is that classes that don't prioritize mastery might still get a lot of % DPS from banner because 400 mastery gives you more % mastery if you don't have high mastery already
small marsh
Mkay
cinder nova
They've already done full DPS roster parses on how it affects each spec.
It's floating around here somewhere.
small marsh
Yeah
cinder nova
Bug Erga or Nom for it, I think they might have links.
plush tendon
its in FAQ
amber herald
Not it doesn't? The damage isn't increase with targets.
dmg doesn't increase but it does more damage than spear when it's hitting 5 targets
that's what I was told in this disc
sorry if already said
small marsh
I've seen the sims and I know fire mage gets a lot out of banner
cinder nova
Oh yeah - cleave go brrr, dude.
small marsh
I'm just speculating on the why
ionic fern
It's the first pin
cinder nova
Mwahi just fucking appearing.
plush tendon
I'm just speculating on the why
Mastery is a good stat
cinder nova
Knock first dude.
cinder nova
Stack Crit as a warrior it's the best defensive stat.
small marsh
👀
cinder nova
Use stam flask
ionic fern
Stack Crit as a warrior it's the best defensive stat.
Technically not wrong.
plush tendon
put taunt on crtl P
onyx moon
my fire mage is enjoying the banner
small marsh
several people typing
uneven mason
In case someone says something too stupid.
This is why the amount of Mwahi we get is 100% relational to the amount of lines Ikari types
cinder nova
I'll be honest, I haven't seen as many bigbrain boffins in other class discords compared to Warrior.
Why do you lads think that is?
Not like we stack iNT
onyx moon
crit is better for M+ and isnt the best defensive stat for raid yeah?
uneven mason
crit is better for M+ and isnt the best defensive stat for raid yeah?
Crit is stronk its just random
grave crane
I’m in the rouge disc and it does seem like warriors have the most constant discussions
cinder nova
Yeah, a lot of other class discords I've been to seem a little more fast and loose and feelycraft, but maybe that was just because of early BFA or something.