finish the cov compaign, EZ 187 wep
#protection
plush tendon
woeful cypress
@delicate thorn complete you cov campaign gives an lfr wep token
rich ember
just grinding up to mythics and then keys will get all the upgrades you need up to like 210ish if you raid as well, that's when I would look at stats.
delicate thorn
hmm, I looked in my quest log and it says "Campaign: 9/9 Chapters"
rich ember
i like choosey. choosy kinda reminds me of cheese
delicate thorn
maybe I got my shield from that
woeful cypress
choosΓ©
next apex
yah i got a crit mastery neck at 226 to replace my haste Mastery 200 neck. But i think im just gunna valor upgrade my haste one. idk
woeful cypress
the pvp is nice if you can get one to 220
north pecan
God damn just tried a 19 SD and mobs fucking truck this week
woeful cypress
im not a big key guy but it seems like a relaxing tank week. dps affix healer affix
woeful cypress
nothing i can do abt that π€·ββοΈ
plush tendon
it also makes certain pulls and abilities dangerous with the added ticking damage
looking at you two big thumpers before first boss in Mists
woeful cypress
ya i have no idea tbh im a weekly 15 do'er
plush tendon
if you just do 15s affix doesnt matter tbh
woeful cypress
so true
plush tendon
neither does class
delicate thorn
@woeful cypress is +15 hard? I haven't done M+ yet
modern brook
spiteful makes me hate this game tbh
vagrant cape
anyone know of any execute WAs that just light up when execute is usable? The one I tried was set to work only on arms but I set it to load for prot as well and it just doesn't work
plush tendon
no, timing a 15 is all about having a good enough route (there is room for mistakes), doing mechs correctly, and not wiping
you dont need to do anything fancy to time a 15 unless you real undergeared
jagged pier
<@!111653154860359680> is +15 hard? I haven't done M+ yet
for some people no for other yes
north pecan
Ya I just came back to prot last week, and even with triple pulls last week i didnt need to kite, guess im back to kiting as a tank ;/
woeful cypress
i swapped to war from brew mid tier, and as an undergeared war it felt not great. but with some gear and a decent gorup its just fine
modern brook
anyone know of any execute WAs that just light up when execute is usable? The on...
how doesnt it work
like is it not loading, always lit up?
have you checked the triggers/conditions to onfirm its not looking for massacre etc?
delicate thorn
for some people no for other yes
ok maybe too much to take on then for someone who is principally against 5-man content being challenging
woeful cypress
the challenge is just relative, if youre a mythic raider it wont be "hard" but if you just mess around in lfr and do WQ's itll be harder than that
delicate thorn
I raid heroic mostly these days. We started on mythic recently but I have only been in for one night so far
woeful cypress
if youre not a regular dungeon do'er itll be challenging but manageable
delicate thorn
too much heroic tbh. We did weekly heroic nathria clears every week right up to the week before SL launch
mighty valley
you mean nyalotha?
night depot
anyone know if you lose your covenant armour switching to another?
delicate thorn
@mighty valley yes! π
woeful cypress
you do @night depot
night depot
shit, so i'll have no gear in prot crossover period lol xD
obtuse tree
i am mostly surprised to hear you are doing heroic and starting mythic but not doing m+ π I feel like it's required content to gear up appropriately
woeful cypress
oh sorry, you meant the like armour you get from campaign
delicate thorn
@obtuse tree you get geared fine from doing normal and then heroic raids I find. We've done heroic every week since the raid launched
signal plover
Not if they're just now starting mythic tbh
woeful cypress
i thought u meant the cosmetics, im not sure abt the wearbale pieces. that would be weird @night depot
sick sentinel
You can still wear them
delicate thorn
I did it the same way in BfA, only did some M+ right towards the end of the expansion when people had lots of gear and there was no challenge
sick sentinel
I was able to wear my upgraded cov armor from the campaign as a different covenant...i will say that I never unequipped it though
but i dont think it matters
obtuse tree
with how ridiculously OP vault loot is, doing m+ was a massive advantage to gearing up faster
delicate thorn
I was in no rush
obtuse tree
fair enough
delicate thorn
since I am not fighting for world first there is zero need to be rushing anything ever
woeful cypress
if u can get 1800 in pvp, pvp gear and weekly box is deff the way to go
delicate thorn
@woeful cypress I haven't done PvP since the days of fighting back and forth between Tarren Mill and Southshore, and the early days of AV
grizzled nova
I have a 210 crit/haste chest I can upgrade to 220 + 226 stitchflesh from cache or a 226 crit/vers chest from cache
woeful cypress
that is before my time. i do have the southshore slayer title tho
arctic wasp
is it worth to have over 30 % of haste :O?
sweet summit
ya
mighty valley
i don't think it's realistic to get "too much haste" right now
solemn magnet
I'm at 30 and going to try to pick up some more vers. Changed my ring enchants to vers
sterile moss
@strong forum Why more haste? I want to know the theory of it.. are you thinking defensive value?
That's a single target 5 min patchwerk with current equipped
arctic wasp
i don't think it's realistic to get "too much haste" right now
cool! i wont worry then :D, almost all my gear has haste and i have 33% so i was wondering if i should low it up a little xD, since i'm using a 207 ring with haste and i got a 213 vers one π
woeful cypress
ur stat weights look jacked
mighty valley
sterile moss
^That's why I want it explained
sterile moss
You said you had relatively low haste though, right?
woeful cypress
just for parsing, but even when im around 25% my haste isnt as low as yours
sterile moss
That's Nom's char
sand condor
is this even remotely useful for us?
woeful cypress
its likea 200 dps increase
its incredible
its the whole reason i went night fae
toxic otter
that's not burrs
sand condor
it ain't burrs you right
frozen tusk
Herbs bro.
woeful cypress
im a π€‘
sweet summit
same
mossy sluice
^That's why I want it explained
sterile moss
I don't see the use of stat weights if they're completely off π€
The message is that they're useless
?
mighty valley
Yeah pretty much, just run sims to compare gear
Even then neither stat weights nor the other sims capture defensive value
sweet summit
stat weights are useless
sterile moss
Good to know 
woeful cypress
yeah stat weights are good for pawn, to like glance if a piece is even worth simming, not the gospel
mighty valley
pawn can be misleading too, the theorycrafters around here usually suggest uninstalling it and never looking back
strong forum
Do you have wft enabled
balmy coral
Is simming for prot even useful?
balmy coral
Stack haste and verse and crit where you can't
woeful cypress
nop @strong forum
strong forum
Then cuz im kyrian
balmy coral
Haste/vers*
strong forum
And it's with scale equipped
hoary belfry
How good is prot in torghast? Should i spec to something else when doing torghast or is prot good?
woeful cypress
i do all my torg as prot
balmy coral
Picked a 220 helm with crit/mastery (have a 207 helm with crit/verse) vs the shoulders with verse/mast (220) over crit/mas (200). Feels bad, was an accident in the vault....
woeful cypress
you can always sim your vault
if you have the vault open and /simc and top gear* itll import your vault items
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> Why more haste? I want to know the theory of it.. are you...
Cuz haste is our best stat in the grand scheme of things, I don't sim for dmg outside of trinkets or talents
sterile moss
π
strong forum
just for parsing, but even when im around 25% my haste isnt as low as yours
prolly cuz in his sim im using a 226 anime emitter
im simming max ST rn without resocketing / enchanting
lets see what it throws up
woeful cypress
ya i saw, i think simmer gives ravager a bad haste value too for some reason
strong forum
i never sim stat weight cuz lmao why would you so i wouldnt know
strong forum
also maybe cuz youre using wall + bv
maybe that makes haste better than when using reprisal
grizzled nova
With wall
woeful cypress
my reprisal is only 225, so i havnt messed around with it all too much
grizzled nova
dragon roar/itf always sims highest for me
woeful cypress
plus i need to get shoulders to even use it smile
strong forum
dragon roar sims like 0.01% better for a few people yah
the more crit you have the better dragon roar will sim
dire kiln
which potency are you running if not kyrian?
strong forum
whatever your covenant specific is
dire kiln
even if its venthyr?
strong forum
ashen jugg as venthyr
strong forum
Cringe
wanton condor
haste is a weird stat; it should have really good scaling with AM but in pure ST has the issue that you're likely capping rage anyways
sweet summit
why are u confused
strong forum
It's not on
woeful cypress
oh why does it show for buffs?
strong forum
It's not highlighted
woeful cypress
nvm im cringe.
strong forum
It's "greyed out"
woeful cypress
i didnt realize it showed even if its not on
strong forum
NF is cheating man
woeful cypress
ya it is
strong forum
You get like 300 dps more by being NF
woeful cypress
bless me for burrs rng tonight
strong forum
Rest is ilvl + dreadfire
woeful cypress
before im stuck in necrolord prison
woeful cypress
even if its 10 more raid dps ill prob go it
esp if the last boss requires burst windows
strong forum
Glad im not a top end raider
wanton condor
it's not even that they need a nerf, starfall is just an awkwardly designed spell
woeful cypress
in terms of necro banner im pmuch just talking abt convoke/boat burst
wanton condor
turn off closest and let it autotarget boomies/fire mages
sweet summit
why doesnt unnerving work in sims 
ionic fern
strong forum
kek
sand condor
What is this >.>
signal plover
It's when the launch is duh
sand condor
The launch of what
ionic fern
Setup on his calendar
This man's smart.
strong forum
π΅οΈββοΈ
wanton condor
I was playing around with sim APLs and there's some counterintuitive stuff; had it doing TC on CD above Revenge if you aren't close to rage cap and it was simming lower than Revenge whenever you can (but below shield slam)
craggy pilot
anyone have a good Halls route? π€
strong forum
i dont think there such a thing as a "good hoa" route
simple mural
β€οΈ
shrewd drift
Hello, I am just levelling a prot warrior. Normally I play brewmaster but I am worried about the toll the button mashing will have on my wrists over time so I am looking for a lower APM tank. Would you say prot warrior is low APM?
wanton condor
pull stuff, get pride, pull stuff, get pride, pull stuff, kill boss, stealth stairs, pull stuff, get pride, kill boss, pull stuff, kill boss, pull stuff, get pride, kill boss
solemn magnet
Hello, I am just levelling a prot warrior. Normally I play brewmaster but I am ...
No, it's probably higher than brew
lavish oracle
@shrewd drift No
half quarry
Ok, im a DPS warrior switching Protection for the guild for raiding. What tanking trinkets should i aim for. for Mythic P?
shrewd drift
Alright, thank you
tardy parcel
lavish oracle
@half quarry Sanguine vintage, blood spattered scale, Anima Field Emitter, and Alar are all solid defensive options
simple mural
So should I be using Blood spattered Scale on cooldown, or in my 4-5 second shield block gaps?
grizzled nova
Ok, im a DPS warrior switching Protection for the guild for raiding. What tankin...
scale is the only "tank" trinket that is worth worrying over.
Sanguine vintage and alar are traps, imo.
grizzled nova
Not really.
grizzled nova
Alar is categorically not necessary for raiding which he said he's doing.
Arguably the only place it could find value is m+
And even then, it's just a strictly worse scale.
Assuming it even goes off.
lavish oracle
If you're pushing any kind of relevant level key, it's going to see use
grizzled nova
Maybe if he's in danger of getting globaled.
But if he's just now switching to prot warrior I doubt he's in that place.
lavish oracle
That's like saying don't take the last row cheat death on DH
grizzled nova
Now that is a shit take.
obtuse tree
/popcorn
grizzled nova
15 seconds of meta and heal for 25k are not the same thing friend.
dapper coral
how ruff are M Legion raids atm?
strong forum
Hello, I am just levelling a prot warrior. Normally I play brewmaster but I am ...
prot is probably the highest APM spec out there
ionic nimbus
For Raiding Scale + SLG with Versa-Stack should be fine
deep steppe
For Raiding Scale + SLG with Versa-Stack should be fine
Vers stacking? 
strong forum
in raiding no stat matters besides ilvl
lavish oracle
Like you don't technically need any defensive trinkets for raiding
hardy radish
prot is probably the highest APM spec out there
https://simulationcraft.org/reports/T26_Raid.html
looks like prot pally has us beat by a fair bit, but idk if this info can really be trusted
ionic nimbus
Vers Stacking of the trinket, more trinket owners --> more vers, not vers-stacking over gear
lavish oracle
But if you're asking what are the good defensive options, alar is a decent cheat trinket
grizzled nova
It's a cheat trinket, yes, but it doesn't do anything spectacular, hence calling it a trap.
strong forum
https://simulationcraft.org/reports/T26_Raid.html
looks like prot pally has us b...
pally 72apm wtf
grizzled nova
25k heal every 8 minutes is pretty trash.
hardy radish
yeahh I'm not pally main but that just seems a little funky
elfin nova
i would play alar on sire for sure
if i had it
and if i was doing sire on my warrior
π€
grizzled nova
If you're dying something other than which trinket you're wearing has gone wrong.
Maybe it saves an otherwise scuffed pull, but why not wear something useful and not scuff it instead?
sudden smelt
can someone help me with treat issues?
shrewd drift
https://simulationcraft.org/reports/T26_Raid.html
looks like prot pally has us b...
I was basing my choice on that link when I chose to level prot warrior so I thought they were middle of the pack for APM, at least below Brewmaster so the answers you have all given me are surprising. Though I don't know how much to trust that link as I assume it is just for maximising dps rather than an optimal tanking rotation
blazing condor
@sudden smelt whats the biggest issue youre having?
dapper coral
I usually like jerky but butter bread is a good snack!
grizzled nova
Which is where the part of it being scuffed scale comes in, at least you can use scale to proactively eat mechanics, and for more or less the same amount of healing that alar does.
And four times more often.
And it does decent aoe damage, and not to friendlies.
sudden smelt
a friend of mine NF warrior is pulling my agro with aftershock + bladestorm
hardy radish
I was basing my choice on that link when I chose to level prot warrior so I thou...
I do have a BDK alt that I play a fair bit, and I gotta say it's MUCH slower and more methodical. might want to give that a look!
blazing condor
@sudden smelt opening with ravager into charge > revenge > tc usually does the trick
naive panther
Fuck thunder clap. Using reprisal?
sudden smelt
yep
naive panther
Ravaged. Aftershock yourself
blazing condor
Also yeah revenge is worth using over tc
sudden smelt
im a necrolord
naive panther
Use intervene early for a boosted revenge
grave crane
Isnβt TC just for rage generation?
blazing condor
Use AoE taunt if needed
naive panther
I intervene other war or melee on pull after first revenge
sudden smelt
thx for the tips
shrewd drift
I do have a BDK alt that I play a fair bit, and I gotta say it's MUCH slower and...
Will do, thanks and thanks to everyone else as well
north rampart
Differece from tanking sire lfg to normal? Im overgeared but dont want to mess up anything have dps'd as heroic just run though mirrors when he charges aoe and swap on x stacks
sudden smelt
didnt know that TC is shit for agro
blazing condor
Ravager is a big help just chuck that in there before you charge into it
and then revenge
subtle tulip
can you bolster bosses?
sterile moss
yup
blazing condor
Yep and it aint pretty
rancid ember
Feelsbad on Blightbone too XD
blazing condor
Oops lol
azure smelt
did my first key with reprisal. its kinda aids
languid flower
wouldn't that mean it's bad?
azure smelt
they need to get rid of the minimum charge range to make it ez mode
languid flower
but that's half the fun
azure smelt
not its not bad i had good sb uptime but i tihnk i got hit in the ass alot intervening out and charging in
azure smelt
yea you get hit in the ass tho no?
azure smelt
thats not abad idea
strong forum
ive yet to die to getting hit in the back from intervening out
languid flower
like leap and NF shapeshift you can do without risking it
azure smelt
i guess i can door out
languid flower
the intervene is more dangerous, but watch for the auto ticks
azure smelt
can you block while casting door?
languid flower
probably not.../
also, everytime the boss casts something, run away and charge back in
grave crane
shield block first then cast Door? maybe that would work
test it on the dungeon dummy that attacks you
scenic reef
has anyone else struggled to decide which classes to banner during raid fights? I have seen the spreadsheet for "best classes" but I really don't know much about other classes and what cd's they need for banner to be actually good, like sure convoke is no brainer but is banner as valuable as the spreadsheet says when they don't have celestial alignment or something like that. I guess im trying to figure out the best classes which get best value out of banner, kinda liking fire mages atm but not set to stone with them since sometimes they get to use 3rd combustion before I have 2nd banner up
languid flower
the important part is to announce in advance when you're going to banner
grave crane
i figure, ret, or dk if my team has both, or boomy and fire mage, just tell them about what your doing and then have them sit on each other, intervene one and pop it
azure smelt
if sb is rolling it does block during door cast
polar radish
can details show all melees and % of blocks for a dungeon?
azure smelt
dmg taken the avoidance tab shows it
scenic reef
ye but isn't unholy dk banner value kinda low outside of army of the dead
azure smelt
overall doesnt seem to work but per section it does
polar radish
it shows number of blocks but doesnt seem to say total hits
scenic reef
And im trying to prevent a situation where I call in mythic raid I have banner coming up and then theres 2 fire mages, 2 affliction warlocks, 2 boomies being degenerates and one saying dont do it yet, one saying pop it and it would all be easier if before pull It's decided to whom I will give the banner
jolly thistle
go nf/kyrian 
dense gate
Does reflect still do damage to bosses? Can never see it on meters
jolly thistle
depends on the spell/boss
dense gate
Just did a spires and it didnt show from attenuated barrage on 1st or charged stomp on 3rd
and dont think it shows for reaping scythe or hakkar tankbuster thing
deep steppe
Attenuated barrage is a deflect, not a reflect
jolly thistle
reaping scythe is a reflect, the others are deflects
deep steppe
Charged stomped is also a deflect p-sure
dense gate
that makes no sense to me. surely its the same as tornadoes on 1st boss in temple of sneks
deep steppe
scythe is for sure a reflect
jolly thistle
you can reflect the stomp on first boss PF
craggy pilot
is it possible to get Pride on boss 2 and 3 in PF?
deep steppe
you reflect the dot not the stomp but yeah
blazing condor
Its possible for sure @craggy pilot
grizzled nova
reaping scythe is a reflect, the others are deflects
This always feels unintentional to me.
Spell reflect is always my top damage on mordretha
blazing condor
You can pride all bosses in PF but you might need to invis and pull shit differently
dense gate
all the good routes are awful for pugs lol
jolly thistle
you reflect the dot not the stomp but yeah
yeah thats what i meant... its getting late π
steady fable
Question lads, Does anyone know how Reprisal/Intervene works on Sludgefist in regards to the damage. Will I take full damage if I intervene or will it still share?
ionic fern
You can pride all bosses in PF but you might need to invis and pull shit differe...
You don't need to invis to get prides on all bosses.
strong forum
Question lads, Does anyone know how Reprisal/Intervene works on Sludgefist in re...
if you intervene your cotank, you will take both hits
sick sentinel
hey boys. this Is a question regarding the banner. If I have a boomkin and a Fire Mage, whos CDs should I play around? In (M+)
ionic fern
Idk what mages normal CD is now..1.3?
sick sentinel
about 1:15
CAvoke Is 3 minutes, so you would hold banner for 1 minute for them, but mastery Is quite big for boomys iirc.
grizzled nova
is it possible to get Pride on boss 2 and 3 in PF?
steady fable
if you intervene your cotank, you will take both hits
ty
grizzled nova
This is what I use for pugs where I don't expect people to be able to do any borer cheese.
sick sentinel
anyone have any idea what they would play around?
hazy lake
Do you guys use ravager or into the fray for m+ ?
strong forum
Rav
Itf is something you play in m+ when you're undergeard
Rav once you have gear
grizzled nova
as a side the flesh giant at the start of pf seems to be leashed to the surrounding mobs now
twice now he's aggro'd the pack to his left when I pulled him with throw where he never used to
strong forum
Gotta wait a bit
He always patrols too close to that pack
So you gotta pull him late
But that's nothing new
grizzled nova
I mean I've been pulling him the instant I come around that corner for 3 months without him pulling the hornets.
limpid pawn
I feel like invising the first whole area in PF is more efficient
for like +20 ++keys
strong forum
I've never dared to do that cuz he's so fucking close to all those packs
strong forum
I feel like invising the first whole area in PF is more efficient
Implying you have rogues
limpid pawn
nooo, invis pot
solemn magnet
The got hot fixed last night or today?
limpid pawn
invis to slimes --> kill slimes + 1 plague belcher, then plagueborer abuse until 18%, kill last plaguebelcher, pride , boss
solemn magnet
The not wiping part can't hot fix
limpid pawn
there are so many things that can go wrong lol
dense flame
Doesnβt mean I have to like it
grizzled nova
yeah PF has a ridiculously forgiving timer all the way to 18 even without borer use
limpid pawn
plagueborers are so OP, it's like siege of boralus all over again
solemn magnet
I liked it till I learned what you're really supposed to do with plagueborers
dense flame
For example I like SD but the dungeon I cancerous
limpid pawn
split up the first plagueborer pack with CC, use one to kill patting big guy + 3 little dudes
strong forum
Abuse the dungeon mechanic or you're fucked, and also last boss is a massive bitch
grizzled nova
You can probably time pf ezpz with current gear all the way to 23 without borers, people just watch nerf do a 25 with borers and want to do it in their 15 for some reason.
limpid pawn
then split up next plagueborer pack and do the same thing
you save like 5 minutes or more lol
solemn magnet
I only do them before the mini gauntlet. I also don't invis the big pack at the stairs cuz fuck plagueborers
limpid pawn
in the mini gauntlet, you can actually start iti early and drag a plague into the pride that you get before it
hilarious
then afterwards if timings work out, you get 2 plague borers for one of the trash mobs for the doctor boss
(use it on the purple slime pack because plagueborer damage isn't reduced by the slime's aura)
solemn magnet
We get lucky with that sometimes, but generally try not to mess with it.
dense flame
That seems fine for the investment. But degenerate 
Never was a fan of boralus spotter usage either.
Especially during PUGs. Always seemed to go wrong.
surreal oak
how i can make my warrior have more sustain ?
strong forum
Knowing the enemies you're facing in and out
Properly using your CDs and buttons
Coordinating with your healer and dps
strong forum
Play indomitable ( as you should)
And use victory rush after you killed something
That's it
craggy pilot
which is better?
unique shale
what is your haste and versa % ?
craggy pilot
haste 11 vers 22
outer spoke
You mean mace or axe? Cause the stats are right the same
unique shale
pick one that gives more haste
craggy pilot
ye the stats seem pretty similar to me too π
think ill keep the axe and dump the mace
sterile moss
go by ilvl
sick sentinel
if you take the 210 you are losing 3 haste, 1 str, 2 stam, and 0.4 weapon dps for 2 vers
outer spoke
Ilvl isnt important for his question, cause he/she can upgrade both
sick sentinel
so use the 213
craggy pilot
well the 210 can become 213 π
sterile moss
upgrading weapons is expensive!
outer spoke
U right, but i think would take the axe, cause i think there will be more dmg output, but u have to sim it
unique shale
runic crown
You guys have any good intervene macros for Reprisal? Just to puch it and forget?
sick sentinel
personally at 500 valor an upgrade, depending on how your gear situation is, they are close enough to take the one at 10/12. there's always a chance you'll pull a 226 weapon from the vault and can spend 500 valor upgrading jewelry, sheild, something else twice
strong forum
which is better?
Ilvl
craggy pilot
fucking finally
thx for help guys β€οΈ
got timed PF 15 even though we wiped first boss π
limpid pawn
grats
craggy pilot
whats better? Anima has potential for 220 ilvl
wicked vault
i'd take heart of al'ar
limpid pawn
yes, heart of alar
languid flower
Wanna see something embarassing?
wicked vault
more room for error when pushing higher keys
limpid pawn
that trinket is hard to get otherwise
on subcreation (for mplus) you can see that the highest represented trinkets in high keys is heart/scale
that is for a good reason
strong forum
Heart is good if you push omega high content
Outside of that, I can't recommend using it
strong forum
Phial + emitter
Until you start doing big boi keys
Before that, heart is relatively useless
craggy pilot
Heart of Al ar still saves me when i fuck up on +15
so feels kinda nice to have π€
strong forum
Then don't fuck up 
craggy pilot
noob proofing my runs π
languid flower
220 - > 226 weapon, or 213 ring -> 226 Ring
languid flower
I'm not really concerned about dps, much more concerned about survival (threat gen is pretty good, pocket healer gets taxed though)
sick sentinel
less tax if mobs are dead
languid flower
that said, losing threat is hARD
languid flower
Mages pulling 40K tend to peel off of me
lime marten
hey all, does it matter which slot to craft Reprisal for?
strong forum
Idk man, never happened to me even before the patch
strong forum
hey all, does it matter which slot to craft Reprisal for?
Legs > boots unless you have/can get slg mythic legs
lime marten
sweet, ty
empty spindle
So I got the sire trinket last night is it any good ??
limpid pawn
what ilevels are the 2 trinkets
limpid pawn
100% use the scale
empty spindle
Yeah I use both
Well Iβm going to use both
I got it but I didnβt even kill sire this week
I got it out of the vault
limpid pawn
do you have the alar trinket
or stone legion trinket
if not, then using both of those is good
raw trail
This might have been answered before but for necro is it my 2 closes allies at cast or my current 2 closest allies at each point during the duration?
limpid pawn
at cast
the banner goes on your back, and it chooses 2 closest allies to buff
they get it for the whole time no matter what happens after
amber herald
can you still dodge first boss of SOA's attack?
amber siren
Yeah
unborn hazel
nf is good for prot? better than kyrian?
amber herald
for some reason I'd heard they nerfed it
amber siren
Both are good, NF does more damage but Kyrian has better defensive options with spear and phial
I donβt think theyβd change it, dodging the cleave seems like itβs intended
runic crown
You guys have any good intervene macros for Reprisal? Just to puch it and forget?
magic rover
how's prot this patch?
feel's a bit squishy outside Ignore Pain :/
or probably I'm just undergeared
are we suppose to keep it up as much as we can? ~100%?
placid coral
Hey there, loving reprisal - just to confirm, the Revenge it procs does count for the 50% damage buff from Best Served Cold right?
strong forum
Yes
amber herald
are we suppose to keep it up as much as we can? ~100%?
shieldblock > ignore pain
limpid pawn
@empty spindle alar trinket is one of your 2 best trinkets, other being scale
a cheat death is one of the greatest things you can have pushing higher keys
it's so good, that even on tanks that have a cheat death (dh) they still want the trinket lol
strong forum
It's also cuz a dh can die literally every single global where he doesn't have meta up.
amber herald
never procced mine ; )
amber herald
yo
unique shale
is it worth to go night fea from kyrain ?
half jewel
I got the alar trinket recently but haven't been playing due to valheim. Should I swap out IQD (220) or Anima Field Emitter (213) for it?
sick sentinel
I'm i silly for switching mains from a prot paladin to a prot warrior for high keys?
unique shale
I'm i silly for switching mains from a prot paladin to a prot warrior for high k...
Q: Is Protection viable for end-game M+ / raid progression?
A: Yes. While our damage numbers might be mediocre we are still very strong defensively, particularly in situatiuons where the majority of the damage is blockable. Regardless, what tank you play isn't going to dictate your overall success. Tank balance right now is in a good spot and the minor differences between the different tank specs won't make a difference for most. What matters is your individual skill and how familiar you are with a particular spec.
sick sentinel
FAQ.. gotta read it sometimes
unique shale
it is all about you
not class
i saw pala getting one shot in SD from pulling two packs at start like 85% of them
sick sentinel
I'm tired of paladin - i feel like i spike so often even with WoG up. and granted i'm not pushing 15s yet on my warrior
but things feel
better
Yes - i'm getting one shot by trash packs in SD too
unique shale
sick sentinel
the big pull before the first boss
unique shale
i never get one shot from that pack
sick sentinel
and the de other side
i cannot tank de other side sometimes
the first pull of the dungeon i almost die
with lust
unique shale
DOS might be dps problem for not kicking or you not kiting
sick sentinel
both tbh
half jewel
whether I live or die in early DOS trash is usually due to healer lmao or dps having their heads up their butt
unique shale
lol
sick sentinel
but i mean - i cannot recover on those pulls as a paladin i feel like
prop cause im bad
mmm
half jewel
nah warr just has AOE shout which helps
sick sentinel
I'm night fae on my warrior and kry on my paladin
unique shale
I'm night fae on my warrior and kry on my paladin
night fae war you should not have problem with kiting
half jewel
having the phial on my warr and being DI dwarf is too good for me to pass up
dire kettle
Can anyone assist what is the best soulbind for Necro for tanking? Is it emeni?
unique shale
yes
sick sentinel
do you guys struggle with the last part of SD
where you have to chance the last boss
half jewel
not unless ppl arent doing their jobs
unique shale
do you guys struggle with the last part of SD
sometimes
i got one shot 3 or 4 times there
from those melee untils when i have no SB
now i use cds on them
helped a lot
merry ocean
elfin nova
Made it to 4800 valor π΄
Depleted NW and got a 207 helm instead of 210
Very unfortunate
dire kettle
I read the guide and didn't see it anywhere. Is reprisal a good legendary definsevly to help someone learn mythic+ tanking. I'm also Necro, trying to support/tank thing idk lol.
gentle notch
23 runs in DoS this week and no hakkar trinket We go again tommorow
limpid pawn
this is my spending i calculated
fossil sparrow
is reprisal still the goto?
elfin nova
@dire kettle I've played a lot less warrior than dh or dk this expansion, until this week where i did 30+ keys with reprisal and i would say for sure it feels a lot 'smoother' to have more shield block uptime even with almost no effort put in. Reprisal lets you charge into a pack and never have to fear getting banged by melees before you can get block up, gives you a revenge! for aggro generation and the rage gen is super nice as well
There are definitely times in some keys where i have felt like it's difficult or impossible to get charges off, but a lot of the time you can just wander off whilst a boss is casting etc
And for sure it gives you a lot more overall coverage which is nice if you're learning
half jewel
Dont mean to spam but.
I got the alar trinket recently but haven't been playing due to valheim. Should I swap out IQD (220) or Anima Field Emitter (213) for it?
lime urchin
I still have to practise good dancing with reprisal tbh
magic rover
warr aint got sustain like pally tho :/
lime urchin
and I notice that with big scary mobs that do big cleaves, intervening le rouge in the team just before big scary cleave is not always smart
if played correctly, warriors do
it just takes much more effort and practise to do so
I think
elfin nova
No amount of playing correctly will let you WoG yourself if what he means is "burst selfhealing" rather than sustain
limpid pawn
that is true however, shield block is WAY better than shield of the righteous
lime urchin
ah I see
limpid pawn
and ignore pain softens the blow significantly
sometimes pallies can get completely clapped
elfin nova
I don't feel like paladin has very good sustain though yea
lime urchin
well I noticed a big difference from when I started to timing shield blocks correctly
more than I like to admit I have 2-4 seconds of shield block when the scary m+ boss isnt hitting me, like casting something
half jewel
same
limpid pawn
gotta watch timers
but that's not a huge deal
things that make or break though --> when muezala is about to use soulbreaker
you gotta time that shit so you have something before he hits you
half jewel
i hit it out of habit and immediately think "damnit I wasted that"
lime urchin
yes, timing dem reflects
vagrant cape
Muehzala uses the tank buster at 100% energy, don't need to even watch timers, just watch his bar.
cunning stone
solemn magnet
Heirmir. Most people like emeni tho
remote tusk
Sad 194 weapon noises.
mighty valley
Muehzala uses the tank buster at 100% energy, don't need to even watch timers, j...
took me so long to notice this, I learned the pattern of the fight and when to brace for reflect for.... no reason at all lol
floral pewter
what the fuck. and here I'm proud of myself for almost cracking a million gold the first time
lavish hare
Hey guys, i need one more instance to fill my vault, does it still count after maintenance but still before vault reset time??
unborn hazel
guys, if i change back to my previous covenant, my renom will be the same when i leave?
sick sentinel
yea renown level and anima stored will be whatever it was when you left
floral pewter
Hey guys, i need one more instance to fill my vault, does it still count after m...
does EU have a gap between maintenance and reset??
dire kettle
@remote tusk sad 187 weapon noises and 131 for prot lol... Trying to farm soon. Went from dinging on Friday to 195 as arms thought and didn't buy any runs or anything
fringe marten
=\ mythic sheet music dropped; was up for trade..they gave it a warlock who will never use it.
Oh well..I kinda' hate moving around for those ghosts too..but it's so much haste/speed.
mild compass
does anyone use both Sanguine Vintage and Blood-Spattered Scale?
i have scale and got a Sanguine Vintage in vault, along with a 226 wep, and 226 helm with avoidance + socket. I already have 220 wep and 220 helm, not sure what to choose
fringe marten
So anyone who's gotten through mythic Sludgefist..any quick tips before we start prog that you wish you'd have tried earlier, rather than later?
plain garnet
quick, possibly stupid question: you can block during bladestorm, right?
fringe marten
yup
dapper coral
for M Hungering, you can use reflect to stop the spawning of the orb? Or just use SR to break the orb w/o taking damage?
dapper coral
but SR deflects the orb, ya?
dapper coral
hi5. Haven't done it as Warrior yet
frank lake
missives, haste and vers, or haste and crit?
torpid saffron
Guys.. i need some help. I just downloaded that add-on which shows the upgrade. And i don't know if those items are really better than what i have equipped
I don't know if there's some way to set that add-on up or is already set for every class/spec
small marsh
is Splintered Heart of Al'ar any good
small marsh
for M+ or for raid, mulv?
torpid saffron
apparently the wall is still the go to?
i enjoy the wall more than reprisal, cuz i couldn't adapt with the playstyle required
manic scaffold
m+
small marsh
I fuckin love reprisal for M+
but to each their own
I think both are probably viable
Seismic tho π
I feel like Seismic/BSC/Bolster has potential just for how fuckin hard you'll slap
torpid saffron
what talents do you run ?
small marsh
I've been switching it up some, started doing BSC/AM
did Booming/Bolster before that
I like switching off Booming personally, I'm not using demo shout on cooldown as a dps cd anymore and am using it as a miti cd
torpid saffron
so you go with best served cold ?
small marsh
I'm really lazy w/ reprisal, I just intervene an mDPS
these days yeah
BSC is so good with reprisal
esp at snap threat - the guaranteed revenge proc on charge is real good
torpid saffron
storm bolt/double time ? Bounding stride/Crackling Thunder ?
small marsh
I like storm bolt because I pug a lot
and use it as a second kick
my build from top to bottom is 3312233
(3 being the rightmost pick)
so Devastator, Storm Bolt, BSC, Bounding, Indom, Ravager, Bolster
I siwtch between that and 3312231
for AM
depending on how much I trust my group
torpid saffron
I was gonna ask if you don't play with AM
small marsh
it also depends how tired I am tbh
torpid saffron
Cuz everyone pairs Reprisal with BSC+AM
small marsh
when I'm tired I run bolster just for the extra safety net against me being a shitter
and I was doing keys half asleep last night lol
torpid saffron
what keys do you run ?
torpid saffron
So, should i take Pawn into consideration as a tank ? Or the upgrade is only for DPS and i should ignore it ?
devout leaf
Hi all, prot warrior nooby here and im starting to dig it, i've been playing with devastator as thats what ive seen everything say to use, and i'm just kinda standing around sometimes, I guess thats just something i'll have to get used to? Is devastator significantly better than the other first row talents?
dusky mica
Generally, yes.
As you get more haste the gaps will not feel so bad and you will appreciate not getting carpal tunnel
mighty valley
Yeah, itβs weird to have blank GCDs at first but it barely happens as you gear and get better
One thing you learn is when youβre not under enough danger to use Ignore Pain, so you can fill up more GCDs with Revenge, which gives you more Shield Slams
devout leaf
Regarding revenge, why exactly do I have whirlwind? revenge costs less rage and does more damage? am i missing something lol
runic hare
You got Whirlwind cause of unpruning π
But in all seriousness, it's kinda useless, so I wouldn't bother putting that on your bars tbh
safe pier
You might use Whrilwind in Tourghast if your playing around with powers. That's about it.
devout leaf
also, I don't want to sound like a meta slave or some nonsense, but what exactly is the reason prot warrior is currently so underplayed? what are its specific weaknesses that I should know before i start playing it in actual content?
is it just the low damage output?
wooden spruce
guys, i know this will be heresy (insert_spacemarine_screech) but wanted to start equiping another tank in the meanwhile im done with the raid or dont want to do more m+ for the day with my warr...i have all the tank class 60, but dont like DH, bored from my DK, so im between pally/dudu/monk, wich one would you choose and why? (for m+/raid)
next robin
Hey folks. Just a rotation question regarding mitigation. I understand shield block is to be using every time its off CDs but in between do you ever use ignore pain as long as the rage can be spent on it? The guide talks about in group fights to utilize thunderclap and revenge but i figured im gonna need more mitigations.
alpine ravine
guys, i know this will be heresy (insert_spacemarine_screech) but wanted to star...
monk because monk does monk thing
obtuse prism
Dudu because the bear streams
unique shale
Hey folks. Just a rotation question regarding mitigation. I understand shield bl...
you use Ignore pain when you are out of SB, low on health, or you are about to get a big hit from something and you want mitigate as much as you can
which covenant btw ?
unique shale
guys, i know this will be heresy (insert_spacemarine_screech) but wanted to star...
The one you play better cause tanking is about skills not class
wooden spruce
The one you play better cause tanking is about skills not class
yah, but i also wanna enjoy something will i play
Edit: enjoy in forms of xmog, lore/background, class skills
dusky mica
sounds like NOT druid then
unique shale
yah, but i also wanna enjoy something will i play
Edit: enjoy in forms of xmog, ...
pala = wheelchair class war = strong Fantasy about being war monk = you want chill class οΏΌοΏΌ
dusky mica
Fixed an issue preventing Stalwart Guardian Stalwart Guardian's (Conduit) cooldown reduction effect for Shield Wall from improving with item level.
Sense sent Ion a strongly worded mail I guess. π
next robin
you use Ignore pain when you are out of SB, low on health, or you are about to g...
Thank you for the reply. I am currently kyrian. i was looking up wowhead and it shows kyrian as viable in M+ so I figured id go where the wings flap
coral jasper
I have an all in one charge/intervene/victory rush macro .. but how would -- or what would -- I add to it in order to make it a mouseover to better make use of reprisal (or smoother anyway)?
#showtooltip
/cast [harm,nodead] Charge; [help,nodead][@player] Intervene
/cast Victory Rush
is my macro atm
hollow yacht
Hey folks. I swapped over to warrior for our heroic raid and I have to say... I'm rage starved constantly. Is this normal for the new warrior or am I screwing it?
civic torrent
Don't spam IP
Unless you need the mitigation for a big hit or Ur turbo raged
Also only use revenge if youre certain you won't cuck SB uptime
next robin
Would revenge be used to genrate threat with thunderclap in mob fights?
hollow yacht
In the dev build, there doesn't seem to be alot to do... SB up, TC and SS. Then...?
Devastator is still the go to build right?
lavish hare
Hey folks. I swapped over to warrior for our heroic raid and I have to say... I'...
Itβs normal for a new prot to click more then he should and spend the rage in a mistakenly manner. Try to understand the fights and what u need to use there. Clap and Shield Slam always to generate rage, u might want to have the wall legendary for extra rage on Shield Slam. Shield Block up, when u get the fights you can even time when to wait for a little charge of it to use again. Its practice and a little reading will make you better, dont worry π¬
hollow yacht
Is there no credo to running war machine / Best served cold? I'm no theory crafter.
hollow yacht
Itβs normal for a new prot to click more then he should and spend the rage in a ...
Thanks for the reply. I mained prot for about 6 years but I've been off monk tanking for a few years now. I haven't been on a warrior since warlords I think. The play style seemed much faster back then.
But, I think that was before devastator. Lots of devastate spam.
I am running the wall.
lavish hare
Exactly, with devastator is much easier. You can focus on mitigation and rage generation much easier
And sometimes you will stay one sec without clicking, its normal
vestal moat
Is dreadfire vessel any good for prot?
steel aurora
Currently looking to start tanking m+ what do people prefer covenant wise kyrian or nightfae?
solemn magnet
Either
mighty valley
Kyrian is a lil safer, NF does a lil more damage I think, all the covenants are viable tho
solemn magnet
Nf for big dam, kyrian bit more defensive
raven kernel
fae for dmg/control
kyrian also has some control and phial is significant to cover prot's weakness (bleeds/other debuffs)
and kyrian is usually a good pick in organized m+ groups cos usually most other meta specs wont be kyrian
steel aurora
Fair enough thanks!
hollow yacht
I've really liked bastion so far. Spear is good and the vial is a life saver.
Are we still looking at the Wall or is Reprisal coming up?
hollow yacht
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Thank you. I was about to craft thunderlord as my 2nd π
coral jasper
Hey not sure if anyone knows but I asked earlier and still not sure.. how to add to a macro to make it a mouseover?
Current Macro =
#showtooltip
/cast [harm,nodead] Charge; [help,nodead][@player] Intervene
/cast Victory Rush
Also what % of haste do you tend to get to then focus on verse? 20? Or just keep poundin in haste to reduce CD of SB and other abilities?
patent osprey
We got a Shield! bois!
coral jasper
hells yes
solemn magnet
Hey not sure if anyone knows but I asked earlier and still not sure.. how to add...
This is my intervene macro. It functions on both mouse over and if I have something targeted. Not sure how you'd add charge to it. Try in #ui-addons-manager
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover , exists] Intervene; Intervene
If you just want the mouse over, remove the "; Intervene" from the end
stable kernel
We got a Shield! bois!
uneven sable
do you ever use whirlwind as a prot warrior?
languid flower
do you ever use whirlwind as a prot warrior?
Never.
stable kernel
Revenge
languid flower
This is my intervene macro. It functions on both mouse over and if I have someth...
Here's mine. The only think I don't like about it is I can't figure out how to test if @targettarget is me. I don't want to try to intervene myself, but the the macro will get hung up there and not execute the @sinful boltovertarget part, so it's still a work in progress.
/cast [@target, help, nodead, mod:alt] [@mouseover, help, nodead, mod:alt][@targettarget, help, nodead, mod:alt][@mouseovertarget, help, nodead, mod:alt] Intervene; [@target, harm] Charge; [@target, help, nodead] Intervene; Charge```@uneven sable Revenge is strictly better than WW. I don't even think there's a reason to use WW in Torghast.
coral jasper
@solemn magnet Thanks for the response!
surreal ember
I mean there's that new thorium hairpin anima power that gives 10 rage for ww, but you can just get that whirlwind on SS power to do it lol
floral pewter
<@!265585433134628874> Revenge is strictly better than WW. I don't even think th...
Before they removed the pot-break power, you might want to save Revenge for a boss, so WW became your rage dump. But I think that was basically the only use case.
distant crystal
who's got the K value copypasta
sweet summit
Level 60 K-values
Base/open world: 2500
M0/M+: 2455.0
Castle Nathria LFR: 2500.0
Castle Nathria Normal: 2662.5
Castle Nathria Heroic: 2845.0
Castle Nathria Mythic: 3050.0
fringe marten
What are the multipliers on the mobs though?
sweet summit
What
frosty estuary
any advice on replacing 213 with a 220 shield or a 213 with a 226 helm
median tulip
any advice on replacing 213 with a 220 shield or a 213 with a 226 helm
Shield
rotund parcel
forever shield
fringe marten
How "huge" is the upgrade on bracer? and it's probably still the shield..
unique shale
going from 213 to 226 plus i can put socket in it
verbal pelican
isnt this the BiS shield?
unique shale
no
fringe marten
won't matter. 10 ilevels on bracer is very small...3 ilevel on shield is 'small' as well but still more significant.
unique shale
crit/haste mine is versa/crit
eager phoenix
get 226 shield out of the way
unique shale
i have 223
tame jasper
shield= 3 ilvl higher then mine wrist = huge upgrade plus best stats
Haha same here. Wrist give me 13ilvl (213 to 226 but I loose hase), Shield gives mit 6ilvl and gives me haste
eager phoenix
me too, id still go for 226 wpn/shield as a prio
fringe marten
Oddly enough; the bracer actually has higher secondaries (more str/stam per ilevel) than shield, but not as much armor (WAY WAY less armor on bracer) and the block value determines how much damage block mitigates. So 3 ilevels on shield is still superior defensively.
verbal pelican
boots are +29 ilvls (maxed out cov ones in there), shield "just"+16 (SLG normal there) and pauldrons +20. I mean the secondaries on boots are shit but its more stats than shield... but that has +135 block
gaunt dawn
Shield
fringe marten
16 ilevels on shield is very substantial, it's shield still.
oblique tusk
is Anima Field Emitter 220 an instant take from vault?
oblique tusk
Gormshell Greaves 223, which would replace my 203 Gormshell Greaves
median tulip
You can do 220 with Valour, so...
oblique tusk
thanks folks
fringe marten
Just so you know for sure; look at your block value before the new shield AND your armor value before the new shield. Look at the % mitigation each gives you. Then put the new shield on and look at the differences. And realize the extra couple % mitigation you gain from the shield equates to a VERY large amount of armor, much more than 29 ilevels on a boot or anything else. Also realize because both numbers happen at the same time; that it's worth more than just it's same mitigation value in armor.
This is why block value is so important. When you're attacked the attack checks "are you in range? Did you dodge? Did you parry? How much armor do you have? Did you block the remaining damage? Apply remaining damage...Did absorb shield eat any of that damage?"
That's the order of operations of an attack
jagged pier
now i actually need to think π€
fringe marten
Armor actually filters the 'biggest' number, block filters what armor doesn't...shield has both.
and the highest value of armor of any item you can have, other than temporary effects from trinkets.
jagged pier
not mine
fringe marten
No I have a 226 decanter, it sims really strong...I however don't use it in lieu of either On use trinkets for better burst for M+, or trinkets that give better damage+survivability.
random dock
Is Bladedancer's Armor Kit trinket worth getting over a 226 cloak with haste/vers? I have a 207 crit/mastery cloak and my trinkets are 200 IQD and 207 Viscera
fringe marten
In fact I think my highest simming combo for SINGLE target is like..? Decanter and SLG trinket? that might be #2 or something? it's odd..it sims really high.
gaunt dawn
@random dock bladedancers is bait
fringe marten
again..'sims' I make my choices based on more than just that.
random dock
Just grabbing the cloak upgrade then, cheers
gaunt dawn
Its turbo bad
fringe marten
Rudrick you don't want bladedancers kit. It is so bad I thought FOR SURE they were going to patch and upgrade it at some point... no one ever uses it for any content.
wild sandal
now i actually need to think π€
isnt the haste from field better than the 210 phail?
gaunt dawn
Personally @jagged pier I'd go with decanter.
Most scenarios will waste field emitter
fringe marten
Cowcurse it could be if you want to look at it from an overall perspective of damage/mitigation/overall functionality. For raw damage? no
runic crown
Better to upgrade the Shield from 203 to 223 to weapon from 207 to 226?
gaunt dawn
@runic crown yes
fringe marten
Ardias yeah...it stings...but yeah, you gotta' snag whatever max shield you have access to asap.
20 ilevels on shield is a very large upgrade.
sick sentinel
Assuming I can get both shield and weapon at 220 easily enough from 15's. I take it shield is still my biggest upgrade
random dock
How about Slimy Consumptive Organ? I just realized I have a 207 ilvl one sitting in my bags and it gives me about 4k extra HP
gaunt dawn
@sick sentinel yes
@random dock β
A significant majority of 'tank' trinkets are just awful
random dock
I'm sticking with the Quantum Device and Viscera for now then
sick sentinel
I thought 226 shield with worst stats + 220 BiS weapon is better than 220 BiS shield with 226 2nd BiS weapon, but thought I'd check
gaunt dawn
BiS is irrelevant compared to the armor gain
fringe marten
The only time I've seen someone using a slimy is for higher M+ where they're trying to self heal while kiting, which is such a niche use..and even then warriors doing the same level of keys get through them without using that.
naw again...defensively speaking 6 ilevels worth of shield is more defense than the stats the weapon would provide, or stats either item would have. You 'are' still a tank.
brittle owl
get the shield
highest budget item you have available defensively
by a mile
- block rating π
fringe marten
And unless you are NEVER doing content that challenges your survivability in ANY way, then defense is still your top concern, but holding aggro is still a really close second.
brittle owl
not really. survivability is binary
you either live or you die
damage doesnt have this restriction
more damage is always good
surviving better is usually wasteful
fringe marten
You're 100% right...I've always said that "tanking is a lightswitch..you're on or off" Which is why holding threat is so critical and blizz making us work for it in SL is lame.
sick sentinel
True, last week I tanked an 18 HoA with 184 shield at 207ilvl, surviving wasnt my problem, it was threat
fringe marten
You notice I said..unless you're doing content that never challenges your survivability; Which that means you're 220+ geared and only doing heroic dungeons~
brittle owl
i mean
you can do heroic dungeons with 5 dps
and not ever be in danger of dying
heck
you can do them with 3 dps
or can just solo them on certain classes and high self sustain tanks
median tulip
People do Heroics?
fringe marten
However we're in a place in shadowlands where survivability matters..the longer you can stand and facetank in keys, the more damage you're doing..the more threat you generate. Delaying the kiting into the point where you don't have to do it..is the goal.
So..surviving better, is the goal.
median tulip
Far easier to gear up by running through your Covenant Campaign for gear and doing LFR before going straight into M+
fringe marten
Of course we want to do more damage, but you aren't going to do it at the cost of being able to survive enough to DO the damage.
Case and point; why wasn't running Anger man's in keys a thing until reprisal? Too low block time..too low mitigation..can't stay in long enough to blast and survive.
crimson furnace
is ilvl king for us or should i go for 213 with socket and bis stats??
fringe marten
The reality of it is; you are likely never going to be in a position where you can make one item choice that has the ability to swing your defense vs your offense in such a huge way that it would cause this situation. You'll just get more defense and more offense as you gear up naturally. What you DO have the ability to choose often is..."an item with the best defense budget, vs a small upgrade in damage output and very small defense increase"
Generally ilevel star, but what item slot are you talking about?
It would have to be a very small discrepancy in ilevel, for 'BiS' stats and a socket to be considered over ilevel and probably only on jewelry.
dull zodiac
jagged pier
yus
brisk ingot
Is a 226 vers haste weapon better than a 194 crit mastery one?
orchid frigate
it hurts when the higher ilvl item has non optimal secondaries
ionic fern
Is a 226 vers haste weapon better than a 194 crit mastery one?
Yes o.o
That's a HUGE ilvl difference.
brisk ingot
Lucky me
Now I just need to get some more 210+ ilvl things so I can start clapping properly
orchid frigate
really like this new upgrade system. as soon as you get a good piece you can gem it early
even if its low ilvl
or...
the socket doesnt disappear when i upgrade, right?
brisk ingot
Blizzard lottery says maybe
lofty widget
no it doesnt
orchid frigate
sweet
finally i dare to spend some stygia
wonder if the account-wide levels of upgrade is something blizzard has missed
feels too good to be true
rich helm
is barghast leash better than a 210 SoA trinet ?
rich helm
:Dok
north rampart
Cheat death trinkets yay or nae?
north rampart
And i need it if i am dying
mystic berry
get dos trinket and sk trinket and you good
north rampart
Sk trinket?
mystic berry
sun king, cheat death trinket
north rampart
Ah yea sunking
ionic fern
I do.
north rampart
Anyone else loving the reprisal ping pong?
north rampart
Changed a keybind and now it is soooo much smoother
ionic fern
And you have to position properly so you don't intervene THROUGH mobs, otherwise you're going to get smacked in the back.
north rampart
Intervene on mouse 4 is BiS
mellow gorge
nah man revenge on mouse 4 is nice
jagged pier
imagine not having intervene on your charge binding
north rampart
nah man revenge on mouse 4 is nice
I cant even
mellow gorge
funny thing with vault, was considering upgrading my axe w valor point, check vault and it's a weapon with avoidance and same bis stats
that's a 19ilvl upgrade aswell
but the game will never give me a necklace
mild ruin
Hey, two questions, for M+ primary tanking what enchant would you use on wep?
Secondly does the Necro banner effect the 2 closest people on cast? or is it dynamic?
mellow gorge
lightless force, and i think closest people on cast
ionic fern
Closest on cast jeah.
ionic fern
Enjoy.
You'll either hate it or love it.
Just be careful not to Intervene through mobs.
ionic fern
Spoken like a true warrior.
simple socket
Bless me with your wisdom dear warrior discord π₯Ί
mellow gorge
my man
that is quite the tough decision
on one hand, leech weapon but not too good stats
on the other hand, upgrade
h m m m m
strong forum
I'm content with my 66.6k
mellow gorge
that does sound
like quite the number
also
nomeratur
do i take BSC over BV with reprisal?
strong forum
Yuh
remote hawk
Soo would you guys take a neck with 13 ilvl upgrade to make the all around ilvl look better or pants with 6ilvl upgrade with more str,armor and lose 80 haste ? Neck is crit/mastery
kinda taking pants but wanted to throw it out here first
remote hawk
pants
mellow gorge
ye take the neck then
13 ilvl is much better than 6, and giving up 80 haste for something below 10 ilvls isn't really worth
remote hawk
well should have said that i will lose 42 haste and 142 vers from the neck. The 220 neck is critt/mastery
remote hawk
the pvp one π
remote hawk
Think the 226 was critt mastery too lol
prime heart
hi guys, any particular importance on which slot I should craft Reprisal on?
pins also still seem to say the wall/thunderlord as our best legendaries, is this just out of date?
latent hollow
pants has more stats than boots. but if you want more ilvl and you can get pants off slg, then you can craft boots
prime heart
cool thanks
mild ruin
Does anyone have a WA for closest allys for banner?
ionic fern
pins also still seem to say the wall/thunderlord as our best legendaries, is thi...
Where on earth does it say Thunderlords? o.o
proper pecan
226 scale, noice
clear pond
Slimy consumptive organ ever worth it for m+?
jagged pier
not in my opinion
lime urchin
Last night I intervened on mah rogue while mobs are cleaving almost every time.
Perhaps itβs time to listen to the pugs and delete my account
jaunty vector
anyone else feel like they get smashed in HoA?
ionic fern
Yes.
Depending on the DPS players and interrupts tho.
It's either a free key or a nightmare.
jagged pier
gargons and bolstered wicked bolts yer
patent osprey
Reprisal is an ass legendary and needs to burn. Change my Mind
jagged pier
people trying to say repirsal is a bad leggo i cant change their mind, and i wont change my mind. cause i dont have to im a warrior. Sword and Board am I right guys
clear pond
hell yeah
proper pecan
Its fun to pump from time to time
sick sentinel
Reprisal is an ass legendary and needs to burn. Change my Mind
You think that way because you don't pug
jagged pier
he thinks that way because hes good enough not to need it
languid flame
I might be stepping in as a replacement tank for raid, what legendary is considered acceptable now?
jagged pier
and hes doing such high keys that if he intervenes wrong he dies to being slapped in the back
jagged pier
I might be stepping in as a replacement tank for raid, what legendary is conside...
ither the wall or repirsal if u can get it to work
languid flame
that's borderline griefing cuz you'd be hitting him with every frontal lmao
ionic fern
Not really, no. π€