protection

[mellow gorge]

but my ilvl will dwindle D:

my one redemption

[sweet summit]

ya thats worth

[jagged pier]

u dont take leggos for the ilvl u take it for the effect

[mellow gorge]

true

now the thing is legs or feet

which one makes me feel nyoomyer

[jagged pier]

legs give more stats

[mellow gorge]

thicc thighs it is

[sweet summit]

thick thighs save lifes

[mossy sluice]

[jagged pier]

☝️

[sick sentinel]

any idea how long till upper reaches is back... i got screwed on my leggo

soo have to do it again

[sweet summit]

u didnt craft reprisal?

[inland raft]

you can go to corridors and keep rentering til first tileset is upper reaches unless that was changed

[mellow gorge]

yknow what

i just bought rank 2

rank 1 and 2 are the same price

[sick sentinel]

i couldnt @sweet summit i ran upper reach twice and it wouldnt drop for me

on layer 8

[sterile moss]

you probably have it already

[mossy sluice]

do you already have it in your bags or something

[sweet summit]

shift+j

powers

[sick sentinel]

no i dont

brand new toon

and it never dropped

at all

[sweet summit]

legos are account wide

[sterile moss]

you have to do the quests

[sweet summit]

if u have anohter warrior

[sick sentinel]

i dont

and i know i did

legit got fucked

[sterile moss]

if you haven't done the torghast quests nothing drops

[mossy sluice]

did you get soul ash

[sick sentinel]

i did torghast quest.... and yes

[sweet summit]

honestly

open a ticket then

[floral pewter]

Have you unlocked the Runecarver? You need to have "The Final Pieces" quest before you can get memories

[alpine ravine]

you need the runecarver quests, and you dont have to do layer 8

[sick sentinel]

yes i unlocked the runecarver prior to doing it

i literally got fucked by blizzard

where is todays patch notes

this is my 7th toon unlocking a leggo i know the process of it

launcher?

[dark lark]

Is anybody still using the Unnerving Focus (Last Stand generates more rage) conduit with Reprisal/AM build? I feel like I barely touch Last Stand now outside of an oh shit button.

And Brutal Vitality feels underwhelming

[sick sentinel]

isnt the idea you dont want to touch big cds unless oh shit button?

[sweet summit]

im using unnerving ye

[modern brook]

LS w/o Bolster can just be hammered tbh

w/ Unnerving use it as a damage cooldown imo

w/ avatar or whatever

[dark lark]

I pre-plan big CDs with my group, and Last Stand is left out at the moment lol

[modern brook]

If its not in your preplan you hould just be using it tbh

[dark lark]

Mmm damage cooldown, good idea

[mossy sluice]

big rage gen for big executes

[floral pewter]

you pop Last Stand when the boss hits 20% so you can spam more executes

the hp increase is so that you can survive a couple more seconds when you execute too many times and can't afford shield block

[modern brook]

@dark lark i think there are certain Healer externals that are based on the targets max hp. if you coordinate externals you can probably use it with those if thats a thing im not making up

I feel like its a preist thing im thinking of but frankly i dont know lol

[sterile moss]

shield wall should always be planned, optimally

[mossy sluice]

spirit shell used to scale off of the priests hp and gs heals a % of your hp when it procs its cheat death

[modern brook]

U can last stand rally -> fleshcraft if you're a cool kid

[dark lark]

So you guys still like Unnerving Focus over Brutal Vitality and Fueled by Violence? I've never done any testing on FbV, how does that do?

[modern brook]

BV and FbV are very minimal

UF and SG do so much

its very hard to justify taking either over UF

[dark lark]

Dude I'm instaswitching off Necro today, I couldn't stand it

[modern brook]

LOL

[mossy sluice]

is another finesse conduit available for the intervene conduit

[modern brook]

new banners kinda cool

I hate it less than i thought i would

sticking with venthyr for now though mostly been playing pvp

will probably end up back on kyrian unless the Necrolord cleave teams end up being sick af

[dark lark]

It doesn't benefit my specific m+ comp that much, and it's kind of a pain in the ass in raid to yell at my boomies to come stand in melee

[alpine ravine]

intervene them and pop it

Ez

[dark lark]

I'm going back to NF personally for the fat

Yeah but then boss positioning gets all fucky

So I'd rather not mess with that

[modern brook]

I mean ur running reprisal boss positioning gunna get fucky anyways tbh

[alpine ravine]

but then it gets fun bc everythings fucked

[dark lark]

I intervene* OT or a melee lol

Not a boomy

[dark lark]

True

[dapper coral]

does killing a spiteful proc "on kill" effects? ie: Victory Rush

[dark lark]

IIRC yes

I spam on those dicks

[mossy sluice]

btw when did they change explosive to not trigger victory rush

[dark lark]

Mid BFA

I want to say during EP tier

I was an explosive god back then

[sweet summit]

it was second explosive week in EP?

[dark lark]

Maybe, I distinctly remember noticing it didn't work during a Freehold

The glory days

[raven nebula]

@modern brook @jagged pier Here's the logs from last nights pulls. Let me know if you need more info. Thanks!
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nXPV8xWrZzLdfgGT#boss=2407&difficulty=4&wipes=1&source=7

[strong forum]

8.2

[jagged pier]

from a very quick early look your SS casts are low yours are below 10 a min with they should be 10- close to 12 cpm which means you are missing ss casts

[modern brook]

SB uptime also looks low though its hard to guage a good number since every heroic parse is just a meme revenge fest at this point

[jagged pier]

your also only cast sb 11 times in the first phase

as your progressing sire u should probably run bolster

for more up time

on sb

instead of am

[mossy sluice]

you died on your best attempt to eating a basically full unblocked shattering pain with your last sb usage 35 seconds before your death

[modern brook]

Less impactful: this is wrong

[jagged pier]

like on my last kill of sire i cast IP 5 times u want to block more than ip

[raven nebula]

@modern brook that was what was in IcyVeins

[modern brook]

this is better

[mossy sluice]

theres a like 4 min gap between sb usages

[modern brook]

I love mawhi but I'll die on the hill that Phial of paitence is better than 2nd potency

[raven nebula]

That's crazy to see because I feel like I spam that thing...

[modern brook]

focusing mantra has value in M+ where the CDR means something

but even then 55% heal is insane

[jagged pier]

you also under your spear

like u cast it 3 times over 6 mins

which is a tone of missing rage

[raven nebula]

so, is it wrong or do you just disagree with Mawhi? 🙂

[modern brook]

Show of force sucsk

Mawhi is wrong

90% that page was made in prepatch it was updated last week lol

[mossy sluice]

1 finesse 1 potency 2 endurance is $$

[raven nebula]

I was reading that AM was better with the The Wall Legendary to reduce the cooldown more.

[signal plover]

Not when your block coverage looks like it does

[mossy sluice]

across all atttempts you have higher ip uptime than sb

you may take less damage taking ip off your bar

and just binding sb to it

[modern brook]

@jagged pier compare his 3rd wipe to his 7th wipes rage gain (roughly same time frame) you can see what im talking about. Where the raw gain of rage from wm phase 1 makes it look like you're getting more

[signal plover]

Meh, IP is decent in last phase of sire

[modern brook]

But when you actually compare to how much is being wasted / the cadence of it its completly useless like you were saying

[jagged pier]

yer but im generall focusing on the pulls where hes running deva ill show in a sec i have a kill thats the same time

as wipe 4 or somthing

[modern brook]

Yeah I was just saying its not crazy to misinterpret the talent as "more rage"

[raven nebula]

So SB should be up more than IP. Got it. I started using IP a lot more as it seemed like I was living longer as we progressed.

[mossy sluice]

yeah high ip uptime is fundamentally bad

you should have a lot of casts of ip but the uptime should be low

[modern brook]

IP is good in P2 and 3 because of the raid damage

[floral pewter]

it's not that SB should be up more than IP; IP uptime is just not an important metric

it's an absorb shield, so uptime is irrelevant

but 20% SB uptime is very bad

[raven nebula]

by Up TIme... you mean when it's waiting to be cast, or when I've cast it and I'm not taking damage?

[jagged pier]

@raven nebula this is your casts for 6 mins on your 7:11 attempt

this is mine

you are missing a tone of SS procs

[floral pewter]

you should almost never let SB sit on 2 charges, and never for more than a few seconds

[jagged pier]

no wonder your rage starved

[floral pewter]

so if your SB uptime is less than 6/16*haste, you're just doing something wrong

[jagged pier]

sire is a hard boss to get shield block up time

[raven nebula]

that I'm doing something wrong was never in question. 🙂

[jagged pier]

unless u run bolster

[mossy sluice]

uptime being the buff is on you and not fading

[arctic wasp]

that's % haste or numeric haste D:?, id ont understand that ratio 😦 explain please T.T

[raven nebula]

ok. That's what I thought...

[jagged pier]

but 13 CPM vs 8 cpm

thats 100 rage difference

a minute

[floral pewter]

like, if you have 20% haste, then your uptime would be 6/16*1.2 = 45%

[raven nebula]

casts per minute?

[jagged pier]

yus

[floral pewter]

with some wiggle room for holding due to tank swaps or etc

[arctic wasp]

ty ! 😄

[floral pewter]

but not 20%

[raven nebula]

ok... so takeaways... @jagged pier @modern brook

1. More SB uptime
2. Talents back to Devastator and Bolster
3. Adjust my Soulbind tree
   Did I miss anything?

Is there anything going right?

[jagged pier]

dont spamm IP

fill the gap in shield block with SW or LS (with bolster)

[modern brook]

On your Non-WM pulls your wasted rage is very low. which is good. Looking deeper its probably because you're not spending globals

[jagged pier]

i dont run buffs souldbind so cant comment

[modern brook]

Always Be Closing casting

[raven nebula]

because coffee is for closers?

[modern brook]

Well like Jakey showed before, you're missing like 30 Thunderclaps in the same timeframe

and thats just the ability thats ona cd

IF you dont cast, you cant get a SS reset -> less damage, less rage, less evreyhthing

[raven nebula]

that was what initially led to this... i was having trouble doing ABC due to being rage starved

[modern brook]

Thats cause you're abusing the IP button mostly

You need to believe in your shield

[jagged pier]

like in my 7:11 kill i generate 3557 rage where in yours yes u die etc but u gen 1997 rage

so u are hardly using your generators

[mossy sluice]

you will have empty globals if youre not spending rage on revenge tbh

[modern brook]

This is true, especially with devestator.

But even on the pull without devestator

[chilly brook]

You spend rage on anything else?

[modern brook]

You cast Devestate 4 times

in nearly 7 minutes

[chilly brook]

I'm pretty sure revenge is our only rage spender

[modern brook]

If you're not using devestator you ~are~ global locked

and 4 casts is abysmally low on that time frame. We can chalk it to not being practiced without the talent but its just symptomatic of the greater problem of not hitting the actual buttons

[thin ore]

is there no one-handed str boe weapon? O.o

[turbid cargo]

nope!

at least there's like 4 agi weapons though

[dapper coral]

Can always use a green!

[mossy sluice]

@raven nebula do you have a trinket thats not pulsating stone heart?

[turbid cargo]

I had to tank using a brewfest stein for like a week in BFA

[raven nebula]

I was struggling to work it in.

[modern brook]

yeah the button sucks

I would rather press nothing than have to use devestate again 😦

[raven nebula]

other than those two, I have Bargast's leash. I did some reseach. Spamming DOS this coming week for the one that drops there.

[patent osprey]

Who is ready for High Fort Keys with Reprisal :OOOOOOO

[mossy sluice]

dos is good. soa spam is also good for anima field emitter.

[raven nebula]

Got it. I'll do that one too.

[turbid cargo]

My guild boycotted my Bargast's leash because I was killing dps with it for the luls

[raven nebula]

we have an irritating DPS that I use it on for kicks from time to time.

[brave jetty]

is mastery extra garbo now with reprisal?

[sweet summit]

it gets even better with reprisal

[floral pewter]

the haste/str pvp trinket is pretty decent too I think, if you have/can get some conquest

[brave jetty]

really? does all the block go to crit block?

[floral pewter]

easier than farming for specific trinkets from M+ anyway

[sweet summit]

no

but you dont get mastery for passive block

you get it for crit block

and AP ofc

[chilly brook]

Fuck that legendary

[brave jetty]

then how does it get improved by reprisal? it's still just a bunch of wasted normal block, right?

[mossy sluice]

higher block uptime, more blocked hits, more crit blocks

[sweet summit]

higher uptime on SB=more value from crit blocks

[chilly brook]

More block=more crit block

[brave jetty]

Oh, crit blocks aren't their own roll?

[sweet summit]

they are

but

[chilly brook]

Because the more blocks the more chances of crit block

[sweet summit]

it needs to be a block

before it can roll to a crit block

[chilly brook]

Check to block

[ionic fern]

Why you hatin?

[chilly brook]

Cool you blocked

Check to crit block

[chilly brook]

Because I don't like the legendary and actually feel worse off using it than wall/bolster

[ionic fern]

o.o

[chilly brook]

I know

Crazy

[ionic fern]

I guess it was the same with momentum

[brave jetty]

I guess I thought it'd be wasted because all the block % you get from the stat is pointless since you're going to have like 100% uptime in dungeons

[chilly brook]

Mastery block% isn't even a consideration

Mastery is good because AP/crit block

[dark lark]

You get it for crit block. Part of the reason warriors were indestructible in BFA was because of Bastion of Might giving us a ton of mastery

[brave jetty]

ah

[chilly brook]

BoM was nice buuuut really BFA just played to our strength of blockable damage and we did a lot of damage

[dark lark]

That was kinda my hope for conqueror banner, to be a new version of BoM. Nope I forgot that clap is still worse than a wet noodle

[brave jetty]

alright, I feel a bit better than about getting turbofucked by the vault with a high mastery neck

[blazing condor]

bom was nice with crashing thunder or whatever it was called

[sweet summit]

deafening crash?

[dark lark]

Unstoppable Force?

[blazing condor]

yes thanks sorry

[chilly brook]

Part of my problem with reprisal, it plays to our strength but our problem isn't blockable damage anyways in SL

[blazing condor]

deafening crash and bom stack

[ionic fern]

It plays for both since it frees up AM for SW CDR

[blazing condor]

specially 8.0 deafening crash where you could have like a million seconds uptime on demo

with avatar > TC spam

[sweet summit]

ya that was dumb

😂

[blazing condor]

it was

but it was fun

[dark lark]

The glory days

[blazing condor]

not like prot warr were good at the time anyway

[chilly brook]

I miss my 75% uptime of demo

[dark lark]

Of having IP on the GCD

[blazing condor]

was #1 on my server with 1300 rio lmao

[chilly brook]

We were fine in 8.0

[sweet summit]

gamer

[blazing condor]

best bdk had like 2k

it wasnt terrible just not that good either

ive always one-trick ponied prot warr and never had a "this is unplayable" feeling

[brave jetty]

I miss more Demo but reprisal feels good and impactful enough I don't really mind

[chilly brook]

It still feels disgusting and I feel like I got trucked a lot more running it than running the wall/bolster

[ionic fern]

o.o

[plush tendon]

I dont think any class is unplayable, but VDH is just clear cut the best, but I think the difference is smaller then most people realize

[blazing condor]

VDH 😴

[chilly brook]

Plus my overall was higher running non reprisal build

[ionic fern]

Rofl

[sweet summit]

wadduheck

[ionic fern]

are you sure you're playing it correctly

[chilly brook]

But I'm probably just mentally handicapped when it comes to charging

[mossy sluice]

^ i feel that

[chilly brook]

I mean

Leaving melee to charge back in pretty consistently

[plush tendon]

Getting a charge mid combat is rough

[chilly brook]

Running double time

[dark lark]

VDH is strong for keys because of its utility and mobility. I would argue that after 9.0.5 warrior damage is comparable and we're able to face tank more

[chilly brook]

Intervening the holy pally

[ionic fern]

Idk how you're doing less damage then o.o
I'm doing more. 👀
All the Avatars from AM and the free Revenges.

[solemn magnet]

Leaping then charging back in ain't it

[grand drum]

Whos ready to intervene melee to get hit by spiteful?

[ionic fern]

I barely leap tho.

[blazing condor]

griff's personalized copy of shadowlands is bugged and reprisal is actually f-tier

[chilly brook]

I'm sure it's good

[sweet summit]

can u block spiteful aas?

[chilly brook]

Its felt like ass the keys I've ran it in

[solemn magnet]

Using reprisal is just awkward. I'm going to die on it with @chilly brook

[plush tendon]

last week was also rough to use reprisal

[sweet summit]

or is that counted as some weird non blockable ability shit

[chilly brook]

But hey

[plush tendon]

storming can go suck a nut

[chilly brook]

I'm probably being dumb with it

[solemn magnet]

Tornados were hell

[blazing condor]

storming is literally just an annoyance lmao

dont hurt or anything

just there to fuck with you

[brave jetty]

I actually love the gameplay of Reprisal. Leaping out, charging back in feels good lol

[solemn magnet]

It does like 10k a hit, wdym

[grand drum]

It does a good amount of damage

[brave jetty]

constantly hunting for good charge opportunities

[chilly brook]

Storming should be removed tbh

[blazing condor]

storming hits like a fart in the wind idk

i have had no issues with it

[plush tendon]

Make melee great again Blizzard

[dark lark]

Do you kite normally? I don't run double time, I kite a little bit for 1 SB to come back and then charge back in. Rinse repeat every 30 seconds

[mossy sluice]

my 4 brain cells cant handle using revenge first global. muscle memory ftl

[dapper coral]

just make storming spawn on ranged instead and have volcanic spawn on melee

ezpz

[twilit jay]

is the incrutable quanum device any good for us?

[plush tendon]

Big stats, probably not too bad to line up with CDs

[sterile moss]

storming was a horrible prank for our first week with reprisal

but should be better now

[elfin nova]

Sometimes you can use storming to create enough distance between you and the mobs that you can charge

Big game

[dark lark]

Should be slamming first anyway, then using the big revenge for a chance at SS reset

[plush tendon]

Yea, and sometimes you leap out and a tornado comes along and stops you

[twilit jay]

'

[elfin nova]

If you intervene someone and get hit it is their fault 100%

[mossy sluice]

feel like first global needs to be some kind of aoe threat unless you run with hunter/rogue consistently

[plush tendon]

had that happen to me in a PF when getting the plaguebearers in position

[blazing condor]

ravager sorts that p well

[dark lark]

That's true, I do revenge clap for aoe.

[dense flame]

Fury warrior is great in m+ 😂

[plush tendon]

I like Ravager, but I do miss a time when clap clapped

[blazing condor]

its weird how TC is so redundant nowdays

[solemn magnet]

Ravager > charge > SS > revenge > SB is what I normally do

[chilly brook]

Sb on the charge

Get it rollin

[dark lark]

The worst is when you're tossed in the air by storming and then the mobs decide to path behind you and hit you in the back for unmitigated damage

[solemn magnet]

Its already rolling

[sick sentinel]

dark moon decks are now epic quality

[chilly brook]

Your actual charge of shield block

Get the CD rolling

[solemn magnet]

Oh I see what you're saying

True

[dense flame]

Bolster on pull every pull

[solemn magnet]

Usually both charges aren't up after the first pull tho

[dark lark]

SB as soon as you have the rage for it, and it's not on GCD. Not a big deal

[mellow gorge]

imagine reprisal + bolster

100% shieldblock uptime

forever

[solemn magnet]

I'm thinking about it

[mellow gorge]

it's nice and all until you realise 4 minute shield wall and 1.5 minute avatar

but then again

bolster

[plush tendon]

I love bolster, it makes me feel like a DH with meta

🙂

[solemn magnet]

LS feels kinda meh without the SB

[mellow gorge]

i think for reprisal imma just go full offensive

[patent osprey]

going to upgrade my reprisal to 235 ilvl for the views on twitch T_T

[mellow gorge]

LS is meh

without BS

but

[patent osprey]

Id rather upgrade my seismic T_T

[ionic fern]

Why not both.

[dense flame]

Seismic seems chill

[plush tendon]

cant wait for the day when we can have both!

[patent osprey]

not enough soul ASH

[mellow gorge]

wait you guys have different legendaries?

[dark lark]

We were just discussing earlier that Unnerving Focus makes Last Stand a dps cooldown

[ionic fern]

Also..more views probably with a title like "190 Reprisal in a +23?!?!?!?!?!?!?"

[mellow gorge]

i thought only the wall existed smh

[patent osprey]

I have a 235 DPS Legendary, 235 The wall, 210 Thunderlord, 210 Seismic, 190 Unhinged (Pvp), 210 Reprisal atm

[plush tendon]

Naw, more views; 'Secret Prot War Lego for Max DPS. Dont tell Ion about this'

[solemn magnet]

That TL regret

[blazing condor]

"YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS KEY...."

[patent osprey]

I MADE THE TL FOR THE VIEWS/STREAM

so much regret

[dense flame]

[mellow gorge]

it's a good thing i took one quick look at TL

[modern brook]

hey Mwahi I said you were wrong earlier for recomending double potency on Pelagos in the Icy veins guide - is the a reason it does?

[dark lark]

Let us salvage legos!

[mellow gorge]

another quick look at GCD

and saw the dungeons

[plush tendon]

as long as you have a top tier click bait title, you should be all set

[solemn magnet]

Who wants to watch TL stream xD

[blazing condor]

i appreciate pika for taking that bullet so i dont have to 🙏

[craggy pilot]

for SD, should i get Pride for 2nd boss? or is that not rly possible?

[patent osprey]

yes you want pride for every boss in SD

u can skip last boss pride if you want

[dark lark]

You can get pride for 2nd boss. Mine is the 60% pride

[craggy pilot]

with or without skips?

[mellow gorge]

what the hell do you mean by skipping pride for the last literal worst boss

[blazing condor]

its easier with skips

then clear the rest of the circle for 75%

[dark lark]

Skips

[blazing condor]

before going down to 3rd boss

[plush tendon]

I dont thinks its doable without skips for second boss

or at least, without meticulous % counting

[dark lark]

I shroud the 3 pack + custodian iirc

[blazing condor]

i usually shroud the pack before the gauntlet

[mellow gorge]

that sounds

really good actually

[blazing condor]

and shroud the 2 packs after the bridge before the 2nd boss "circle-room"

[mellow gorge]

but the issue is that

[blazing condor]

after taking the venthyr buff

[mellow gorge]

if you wipe

[blazing condor]

just dont wipe 🙂

[mellow gorge]

easier said than done on Sad Depths

[craggy pilot]

how the fk do u get the 60% pride at 2nd boss 😮

i get 60% way before it

[blazing condor]

do you skip?

[dark lark]

If you wipe in a push key you probably won't time anyway

[mellow gorge]

you skip the packs before the circle area thingy i take it

so the 2 overseers

[craggy pilot]

this gives 60%

[mellow gorge]

and maybe the miniboss ? i'm unsure if that's skippable though

[jade vortex]

Hey all. I'm currently Venthyr for damage, but making a hard swap into tanking on my warrior. Is Kyrian the play?

[blazing condor]

skip the blue mid pack and the one before it

take the smallies in the room after 1st boss

[patent osprey]

This is my Depths Route if you want pride every boss ^.^ and you want 7 stacks of the venthyr buff going into pride/2nd boss too

https://pastebin.com/A4kHDQEp

[craggy pilot]

skip you mean shroud?

[dark lark]

I skip 3 pack on bridge and custodian miniboss

[mellow gorge]

NF For alot of dmg, Kyrian for mix of defensive and dmg

[dark lark]

Shroud or invis pots

[plush tendon]

I would recommend now that people not roll Night Fae, for the soul reason a large majority of DPS are Night Fae

[odd verge]

engineering belt.

[dark lark]

NF is probably better if you still do a lot of arms/fury pve in addition to tanking

[plush tendon]

literally the only reason, cause its siq af

[mellow gorge]

I'm pure tank

though i might switch to kyrian

[solemn magnet]

I never risk the skips in SD in my pugs cuz you really only get one shot at it. :(

[mellow gorge]

wait no

i might switch to NF

[dark lark]

[plush tendon]

[mellow gorge]

[arctic wasp]

how good is anima filed emmiter ?, in paper seems to be near bis for prot but i see little ppl using it, why is that :O?

[tulip finch]

Anyone have any tips for the packs in the starting ring of DoS? I find I'm having issues kiting the big spinny bois mostly. Once I heroic leap away they usually get to me before their enrage ends and destroy me.

[solemn magnet]

I dig it quit a bit. The aoe procs all the time so moving hasn't really been an issue for me.

[mellow gorge]

honestly

[plush tendon]

wait, why dont we have the conqueror banner ability icon emote

[mellow gorge]

i don't regret sticking to my gluttonous spike over field emitter

the heal and dmg is really nice

[dark lark]

If you wipe a push key it's probably not going to be timed anyway. If you do time a key with a wipe then it probably wasn't tight enough anyway

[wanton condor]

hold an intervene for GTFO ability

[modern brook]

bro any chance you got the Plka combo platter of these?

[wanton condor]

bring a soothe

[modern brook]

I've been straight winging literally every key since i took the warrior otu of retirement

[arctic wasp]

i already have GS and i got an emmiter in vault was wondering if it's worth taking it... honestly the other options are only sidegrades so i'm not sure

[craggy pilot]

@patent osprey that route doesnt seem to give pride on 3rd boss? or am i missing something?

[modern brook]

Id personally do Emitter over GS

stats are meaty

[mellow gorge]

yeh that's just down to personal preference

[solemn magnet]

Mostly true. Some keys are easier to recover from a wipe and still time. SD usually ain't it tho.

[mellow gorge]

GS does 10% of my healing so i love it

[solemn magnet]

What ilvl is your spike? My 200 is ~5% of my healing.

[mellow gorge]

213 is mine

[arctic wasp]

both 226 and yeah i got liek 10 % too

i have a 200 scale wich performs similar to my 226 spike, so not sure if i want to change any of those for emmiter, my other option is a side grade (+haste - crit) with leech, feels meh xD

[tulip finch]

I hadn't really considered using intervene for a GTFO. Still getting used to using reprisal so I'll have to try that next time.

[mellow gorge]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

wait what's the other option with leech?

sounds meaty

[arctic wasp]

waist

[mellow gorge]

i mean to me it sounds like an upgrade but that's just me

[solemn magnet]

I have a 226 emitter and keep swapping between the 200 spike and 197 hymnal. They're both fine. May try my 210 IQD this week till I get a scale (hopefully)

[arctic wasp]

it's a haste / crit leech waist 226, vs a vers - mastery one without lech

[orchid mason]

how much haste is too much haste?

[robust panther]

I’ve enjoyed necrolord tanking, and banner gives good buffs for my burst dps teammates. I haven’t been lucky on trinkets unfortunately

[mellow gorge]

leech + haste is nice

[arctic wasp]

yeah, just wanted to know what i'm missing if i dont pick the emmiter, but to me sounds leech haste is a winner

feels bad to not have an ilvl upgrade though ahha

[sterile moss]

I'm assuming you're not NF for a soulshape. You can also swap to the heroic leap talent that gives extra movement speed

[solemn magnet]

The leech isn't even worth considering, imo

[arctic wasp]

is really little healing but still something, prob 1 % xD

[solemn magnet]

Yeah

[mellow gorge]

i mean

if you take that

and leech your cape

[arctic wasp]

but if emmiter wont give me any new, if it performs very similar to spike, then that's 0 upgrade

[mellow gorge]

it'll be 3-4% ?

emiter is nice but i don't like it

i just like GS heal + dmg passive buff

i might take emitter at some point tho

[tulip finch]

Negative. Currently kyrian however I've been considering switching to night fae. Also currently using double time

[mellow gorge]

i'm looking into NF

but my potion D:

[wanton condor]

The way I handle that pull is mount -> TC first two guys -> charge next group and blow some AOE stuff -> walk to the side while getting SB rolling -> Charge to the back end of the casters to kite some more when needed -> Intervene all the way back again

[light prairie]

Not sure what covenant choose 😦

[wanton condor]

probably have to blow a CD at some point but you want to have at least 1 fresh for the next pack

[light prairie]

Kyrian or NF holy shiet.

[night depot]

Necro any good now?

[mellow gorge]

Necro if you have friends

Kyrian if you love dispels

NF if you love watching people trip 4 times in a row

[mossy sluice]

all covs are viable

[mellow gorge]

mmm

imo venthyr for prots is

a bit limited in m+s

but ye they are all viable

[night depot]

annoying cos was fury, so venth lol now switching to prot better get that renownss

[mellow gorge]

you actually get to pick a covenant and not go for conjoke for 4 specs

[ionic nimbus]

necro is pretty fine... banner is nice, fleshshield is good too.... i think as prot warriors we are in a position of free choice, covenants are extremly close

[spiral perch]

well, question here, if i open the gv with fury spec, gv would give me items from that spec? or it doesn't matter?

[mossy sluice]

it matters

[median tulip]

The vault generates loot based on the loot spec you have when you open it

[mossy sluice]

no shields or tank trinkets if you open it as fury

[spiral perch]

ah .... what am I done ....

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-jerry-smith-loser-alone-lonely-gif-17099096

thx guys

[night depot]

Dw, I opened my GV in boomkin spec on my bear rip 😭

[spiral perch]

gonna cry like a baby

[median tulip]

Always double check your loot spec before opening the vault

[spiral perch]

yeah, didn't know

ah man

the feels

well thx guys, gl on your GV!

[light prairie]

welp

NF all the way.

[blazing condor]

It even says on the bar lmao

[mellow gorge]

i don't want to be a NF warrior

it looks

weird.

[blazing condor]

They double dumb proofed it

[mellow gorge]

it doesn't fit the THEEMEE

[light prairie]

AA its very powerfull

[mellow gorge]

so is spear bastion

[sterile moss]

Eh, I'm a night elf

[mellow gorge]

i don't care what race you are

a NF warrior doesn't fit

wait a minute

[craggy pilot]

what bosses would you lust in SD?

[night depot]

what legendary we going for rn then people?

[sterile moss]

It does for a nelf

[mellow gorge]

no

[night depot]

for all round content

[mellow gorge]

even for a nelf

[raven nebula]

I had to step away... thanks @jagged pier @modern brook and @mossy sluice for the help and humble pie. I appreciate it!

[sterile moss]

[modern brook]

no worries man first step to getting better is asking for help

GL on sire

[spiral perch]

how do i sim as prot? is the same thing as a dps right?

[mellow gorge]

[modern brook]

prot sims ONLY dps

[mossy sluice]

yw

[spiral perch]

gotcha

[chilly brook]

All y'all posting your covenant abilities

But using condemn

Smh

[mellow gorge]

condemn is just execute

but fancy

[chilly brook]

exists

[spiral perch]

using condemn just for sound

[chilly brook]

[spiral perch]

BiS

[tawdry dirge]

whats a usal SB uptime now in a mists m+ key with the new lego?

[bitter arch]

when i wanna play my prot only in m+ necro ist best right?

[mossy sluice]

if you have a consistent group and those classes scale well w/ mastery

[solemn magnet]

Mine went from ~55 to ~70 switching leggos, but I suck

[ionic fern]

Depends how much you charge/intervene

I did a +16 yesterday and ended with 86%

[ionic fern]

That's awfully low o.o

[tawdry dirge]

okay i was on 50% ^^

[solemn magnet]

Tell me about it

[tawdry dirge]

guess need to invtervene more

but i also probly spend to much on IP

[sterile moss]

are you talking raw uptime or blocked hits?

[ionic fern]

Raw uptime doesn't mean anything.
We're talking about effective uptime.

[tawdry dirge]

that one from details

[mellow gorge]

only 50% shield block?

pFft

[sterile moss]

how to gauge?

[tawdry dirge]

yeah i know pretty low on SB

but tbf i had a very strong healer

so i didnt need to midigate much

[sterile moss]

do you mean this stat that wowA shows?

[ionic fern]

Logs.
Damage taken->Melee->Hits.

[sterile moss]

ah. that's a lot, especially because it sums all the damage and blocked hits are less damage

so you're blocking like 95% or something

wait, the % distribution accounts for hits when you mouse over 'hits'? That's neat

I've been looking for that stat 😃

[woeful cypress]

is spare meathook meta dead

[sweet summit]

big for st

[woeful cypress]

my box is kinda poggers and idk what to take from it

meathook sims a lil low for me and idk why

[strong forum]

Cuz it's not amazing

It's only aight

[vagrant cape]

are you saying "is" or "isn't"? "ist" is hard to decipher

[blazing condor]

das ist gut

[vagrant cape]

Necro is considered worse than kyrian and NF for pugging m+. It's hard to compete with the damage and utility of those abilities

the jury is still out on a perfectly optimized banner necro, afaik

[blazing condor]

it feels like a theoretical thing

[next apex]

Fleshcraft is kinda poggers

[floral pewter]

Fleshcraft is legit really good, imo stronger than Phial

Banner is kinda meh

[bitter arch]

is*

[bleak tapir]

[next apex]

Banner is pretty nice. the dps i play with says it feels good for him and if its good for him its good for me.

[outer wedge]

Banner is great combo with a fire mage.

[mellow gorge]

Fleshcraft is nice and all up until you realise you have 3 slow stacks on you and 2 explosion aoes, and no mobility

[next apex]

I use it to DR tank busters like Soul crush from Muezala and stuff

[mellow gorge]

spell reflect soul crush

[next apex]

Wait u can reflect it?

[mellow gorge]

yes

[next apex]

why am i using flreshcraft

lmao

[mellow gorge]

see

[vagrant cape]

FOR THE RP

[mellow gorge]

ah yes

[next apex]

In my defense ive spent all the expansion so far playing Monk so i didnt have reflect. Just Psychic shell brew.

[mellow gorge]

ah yes best part

[next apex]

poggg is that table in pins?

[mellow gorge]

yes

and this aswell is quite nice

[next apex]

Poggers

[sweet summit]

may or may not the the "reflect guide"

[next apex]

wait barb is reflectable

LMAO

[sweet summit]

the magic damage part ye

[next apex]

warriros shit on this dungeon wtf

[mellow gorge]

it is infact

the reflect guide

in the pins

i'm still mad that i can't spell reflect patty cake

for like 80k dmg

[next apex]

wait

that would be sick

[mellow gorge]

no fun allowed

[plush tendon]

cant reflect Stigma of Pride either -_-

[next apex]

wait u can reflect spear flurry?

wut du heck

[mellow gorge]

you reflect a tick

[plush tendon]

I usually just shockwave it

aint no one got time to deal with frontals

[mossy sluice]

think pierced barb just deflects now

[mellow gorge]

something tells me tentacle slam is not reflectable or blockable

ah the best part is the 3rd boss fight in DoS, the broker

you can just reflect or deflect the explosion

[elfin nova]

Any update on reprisal sims?

[sterile moss]

as a prot warrior you think you like dos until you see the caster packs and the milificent bleed

[mellow gorge]

as prot you think you like dungeons

up until you realise shadowcore will kill you

[ionic fern]

Up until you realise you just reflect Shadowcore.

[mellow gorge]

you say that as i have enough time when i'm hugging it D:

[ionic fern]

😒

[sterile moss]

reflect them all 4head

[mellow gorge]

and the packs around it do stuff

Risen cultist steal my spell reflect

but yes reflecting shadowcore for 30k is nice

[elfin nova]

Is shadowcore the knockback

[mellow gorge]

no

[ionic fern]

No.

[mellow gorge]

it's the single tank bolt

[mossy sluice]

nah its big fuck you spell

[ionic fern]

It's the ST nuke

[olive jay]

which stats shud i put on my new legendary plate legs with reprisal please?

[ionic fern]

Just outrange it.

[ionic fern]

Haste/Vers.

[mellow gorge]

nah i'll just jump off to Mueh'zala

[olive jay]

ty

[mellow gorge]

into his loving arms

away from shadowcore

[next apex]

those mobs that cast shadowcore

make me really sad

[elfin nova]

Bob salami will catch you

[vestal moat]

More leech on my GV piece today. Up to 10.5% leech. Is this gonna be noticeable? I do 4k dps in keys and maybe 2k hps ..

[mellow gorge]

that is noticeable

10% leech sounds crisp

[vestal moat]

Basically just encouraging me to revenge spam more lol

[mellow gorge]

take the fueled by violence conduit

double leech 🕶️

😎

[mossy sluice]

ok maybe not that

[plush tendon]

Are people preferring Fueled by Violence or the Ignore Pain conduit? I know both are underwhelming, but I like to play whats the least underwhelming

[mellow gorge]

neither

well

ignore pain is more useful

[plush tendon]

Im running Heimer, so I got 3 endurance

for dat crit 😄

and spiky shoulders

[mellow gorge]

imo i think ignore pain conduit might be more useful

provided you deal damage

the fueled by violence at the end, as far as i did last time, it only did 60k healing total at the end

[sterile moss]

fbv way undertuned

[mellow gorge]

it needs 50% healing for it to be nice

[plush tendon]

I saw many damage meters, I do a decent chunk of damage from dem wounds

[mellow gorge]

ye

but that's at the end of the dungeon

[tender carbon]

Is the damage reflect from heimir serrated spaulders noticeable?

[mellow gorge]

so i did 282k dmg with deep wounds

[plush tendon]

its like 4%-5% for me

[mellow gorge]

20% of it is 56.4k

[tender carbon]

Oh wow

[plush tendon]

It did quite a bit on my DK as well

[mossy sluice]

56.4k assuming no overhealing

[mellow gorge]

yea

[plush tendon]

So really, both are kind of meh and Im better off stealing the Dh's 10% magic DR one

[night depot]

anyone got a macro to make charge intervene the same button?

[mellow gorge]

wa

[elfin nova]

Imagine if you could just take your prot warrior to a tattoo parlour and come out with 15% magic dr

[mellow gorge]

yeap

something straight of out far cry

ink your body for buffs

[shrewd bronze]

Hi folks, quick question: Is reprisal still far ahead of the wall after the 2 second nerf?

[mellow gorge]

in damage

yes

[mossy sluice]

m+ yeah - the wall is fine for raiding

[mellow gorge]

wall still makes you tonky

[shrewd bronze]

M+ specifically yeah

[mild lintel]

Which would be my best Back Enchant for Protection Warrior?
I'm currently using: +20 Stamina & Minor Speed Increase
Is that the best one & I should continue using it? Or is there a stronger one?

Thanks in advance! ~Husky

[elfin nova]

The reprisal evaluation in the pins took the 2s nerf into account

[shrewd bronze]

Gotcha

[mellow gorge]

use the one w 30 stam or 20 stam with leech

[elfin nova]

As they told us it was going to be nerfed when it hit live

They just forgot to change it for a few days

[shrewd bronze]

I only have soul ash to craft 1 (wall or reprisal) so need to pick the best option for m+

[mellow gorge]

reprisal for m+

[shrewd bronze]

Undisputed?

[mellow gorge]

well it depends

[plush tendon]

No, you can play what you prefer

[mellow gorge]

it's best for damage

[shrewd bronze]

Like for +20's

[mellow gorge]

wall is nice cause big massive defensive cooldown

yes

all in all

[plush tendon]

Reprisal is 'better', but if you dont like it, you dont like it

[mellow gorge]

it's how you wanna play

[sterile moss]

it's the best, period imo

[shrewd bronze]

I don't mind the playstyle

I'm used to intervene

[mellow gorge]

if you wanna be a beyblade without the blade

then go for reprisal

if you wanna be a walking wall

go for the wall

[plush tendon]

of course, only true chads take Seismic Reverb

[mellow gorge]

no no

only true people take leaper

and leave the dungeon after pulling the first pack

[shrewd bronze]

Thanks folks

[mellow gorge]

yee np

[plush tendon]

Leaper is only good if you are fury

thats like, 6 leaps

[elfin nova]

If you had leaper at least you could get out of the dungeon quickly

[mellow gorge]

exactly

[hardy radish]

I thought they nerfed it?

or did I just misread the patch notes

[mellow gorge]

they did change it from 6 to 4s shieldblock iirc

[uneven mason]

they fun detected that.

[mellow gorge]

they should've kept it at 6 😠

[uneven mason]

Blame Llarold

[mellow gorge]

whomst is he

so i can snap his shield

[uneven mason]

writer for wowhead

plays a monk

[mellow gorge]

ew

raid serenity

[uneven mason]

overhyped the reprisal changes

[mellow gorge]

Raid serenity

[mossy sluice]

then snitched

[mellow gorge]

nerf WW monks to the ground

[uneven mason]

like, blew them so out of proportion

[plush tendon]

Shouldve snitched on his own class -_-

meanie pants

[mellow gorge]

nerf their only good spec

[uneven mason]

I mean, they did nerf BrM pretty hardcore

[mellow gorge]

TO THE GROUND THEY GO

[hardy radish]

"if I can't have fun, nobody can" - monk players

[uneven mason]

WW has been "Fun Bugfixed"

but MW is pretty stronk

[rich ember]

!?!??!!?

[mellow gorge]

good joke

[plush tendon]

WW aint bad, its just no more degenerate gameplay for ST

[uneven mason]

?!?!?!?!?!

[plush tendon]

and their ST is now not godly

they down their with the DPS warriors

[uneven mason]

MW is pretty insane, it just doesn't provide anything substantial that the other healers don't do better as far as CD

but throughput they're not as bad as people make them out to be

[plush tendon]

Yea, they just run out of mana 15 seconds into the fight

[uneven mason]

if they're crap

its like discipline

[plush tendon]

give me a holy paladin anyday of the week

[uneven mason]

a good disc priest is a gift from god

[rich ember]

"it's a fast car so long as you dont touch the gas pedal"

[uneven mason]

a bad disc priest is revisting nightmare on elmstreet

[plush tendon]

Id rather not have a healer if I had a bad disc

which I have had

[cursive prawn]

Unpopular opinion

[uneven mason]

MW is the same way

[cursive prawn]

The remake is actually sick

[uneven mason]

Reprisal?

or Nightmare?

[cursive prawn]

Nightmare

[uneven mason]

eh

Hard to beat the original 3

just saying, that was the height of B movie horror

now everythings about gore

Gore isn't scary, its gross.

[cursive prawn]

I liked the realistic burns, lack of constant quips, and him being really depraved as opposed to it just being hinted it

[uneven mason]

eh, the quips made him my favorite horror character

But anyway, back to the other stuff

MW - give them a chance, eventually you'll find one that isn't garbage

Just like prot warriors! High skill floor

Higher*

[rich ember]

yeah but unfortunately, a mediocre shaman will beat out that skilled MW right now

[plush tendon]

I think the resto shaman hype has died down quite a bit

its all about them Holy Paladins making your dps look bad

[rich ember]

no kidding. I was running a 15 HoA last night and this holy paladin was ahead of me in damage for a couple trash pulls like WHAT?! so I kicked my blocks up and lived that revenge life for a while

[plush tendon]

They are straight pumpers

if the group doesnt need healing, they just turn all of that into damage

combine that with Wings and Ashen Hollow then they are busting

[rich ember]

I'm not gonna lie. I've been necro for a week now and I'm just not feeling it. I miss my Condemn on single target bosses

[plush tendon]

I love my banner, but I was never Venthyr

[pine gust]

Anyone know any good video guides for prot warriors or just in general content producers that run prot warrior ?

[plush tendon]

the only thing I wished I had was AA

[sterile moss]

@rich ember https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26#metric=hps&dataset=95

[rich ember]

constant 95th percentile MWs. How many do you run with regularly?

as an average joe, i run with none

[sterile moss]

I was just talking about "that skilled MW"

resto doesn't always win

[plush tendon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26#class=Healers&dataset=95

[sterile moss]

community perception is a big factor for MW, just like for prot

[rich ember]

yeah paladin damage is insane lol

[strong forum]

MW does good healing, but it's a mana whore and offers no good raid CDs or externals

Hence why it's not considered a good pick

[plush tendon]

Boo healing parses, yea for damage parses

[modern brook]

"i have 99 healing parses" == "i can do heroic bosses with a group of redassed baboons"

[rich ember]

leave my fam out of this pls

[plush tendon]

healing parses are legit one of the least useful metrics I can think of to evaluate a healer

All you got to ask yourself is 'did you die? did he die? did he pump!!!!'

[rich ember]

^ if a team does good on mechanics, healing parses can be total shit

I've seen healers purposely standing in shit to up their healing parses

[strong forum]

Healing parses are reverse dps parses

[astral crystal]

is this not the case for all heroic parses tho

the most literally who cares metric

[strong forum]

Do dumb shit and play the boss poorly = hps

[modern brook]

Most 99 damage parses require the rest of your team play well just cause of kill timers

but yeah heroic parsing is :kekw:

[wooden spruce]

hey guys, so got this on vault (and a 200ilvl chest with crit-haste), should i pick the trinket or go for the chest and upgrade it?

[woeful cypress]

ehhhh i rank 1d xymox last week w half my team dead so i executed for 1.5 mins lol

[rich ember]

ZUGZUG

[strong forum]

Trinket

Slimy consumptive organ is dogshit trinket

And a 200 ilvl chest is nothing to write home about

[plush tendon]

you can upgrade it though right?

[strong forum]

Waste of valor

Anything that's not 210 by base, I wouldn't use my valor on

[rich ember]

dude I HATE the valor system

[woeful cypress]

you could but emitter is a fine trinket

emitter is bad on some fights but can do fine overall

[plush tendon]

I wouldnt know; all my slots are 213+, so anything I would use valor on would either be a BSS (if Ion doesnt give me one today) or just start replacing dem 213

[strong forum]

Upgrading that chest from 200 to 220 costs like... 4k valour??

Miss me with that

[woeful cypress]

i had the luckiest unlucky chest ever today.

[strong forum]

Maybe more even

[strong forum]

I wouldn't call that lucky

[modern brook]

im literally saving all of my valor for Phial rn its the only thing i need

[plush tendon]

Big Heraldry

[rich ember]

What's the max valor in a season?

[strong forum]

That's unlucky as fuck

[woeful cypress]

its pretty unlucky lmao

[strong forum]

Having to choose between those 233s

Hurts

[wooden spruce]

so i use emitter with organ or emitter with spike?

[strong forum]

Spike + emitter

Throw the organ in the trash

REAL QUICK

[rich ember]

https://tenor.com/view/andy-samberg-the-lonely-island-smash-i-threw-it-on-the-ground-gif-5567153

[modern brook]

Nah dude 233 weapon is godly

[plush tendon]

Probably wep over trinket

right?

[woeful cypress]

i kinda wanted to take the meat hook for sludge tbh

[strong forum]

What's wrong with you

[modern brook]

SNORE 233 weapon

[woeful cypress]

tbh the highest simmer was the 226 ring becasue its socketed

and i dont have socketes yet

[modern brook]

lol

[rich ember]

listen man, if you don't want the 233 weapon give it to me.

[modern brook]

sockets on jewlery is actually busted tbh

[woeful cypress]

I TOOK THE WEAPON

[modern brook]

But like you can get socketed jewlery elswhere

literally get 2 rolls a week on a 233 weapon

you take it

[strong forum]

Do you have any of those 233s if no, take weapon > trinket > ring

Then the 226 ring

then hook

[woeful cypress]

nah

hook good.

[strong forum]

Hook drops from shriek.

Why the FUCK would you pick it from vault

[plush tendon]

Well weapon drops from Denathrius 😛

[woeful cypress]

ur thinking

of the wing

thats the meat hook

from necrotic wake

[plush tendon]

KEK

[strong forum]

Right

I'm sperging

[modern brook]

Spergatur

[woeful cypress]

📈

[strong forum]

Hook is the dot

Thingy

[woeful cypress]

plus i went night fae yesterday

so im just going bleed build now and letting burs carry me

[vagrant cape]

is the covenant campaign necessary to unlock all your soulbinds? Or can they be obtained by collecting renown?

[plush tendon]

yes

[vagrant cape]

damn it

[woeful cypress]

the catch up stops if you dont do campaign

[plush tendon]

you should be doing the campaign anyways for renown

[uneven mason]

My Vault "Wow I heard you got a really awesome legendary now! Want some 226 legs, or 226 legs?"

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[vagrant cape]

but dungeons are more fun for renown farm 😦

[strong forum]

Hey, I got 3 cloaks, 1 pvp trinket and 2 Helmets once

[plush tendon]

Lol, imagine playing this game for fun

what a nerd

[uneven mason]

got a sire ring tho

[woeful cypress]

if you get too many renown over your current campaign level

[uneven mason]

so can't complain

[woeful cypress]

the rng for them is so low.

i went from 1-30 in like 4 hours

grinding heroic dungeons/campaign when possible from 1-25 then mythic 2s from 25-30

[plush tendon]

I think past 30 it really slows down

[woeful cypress]

burs is 30 so w/e

[plush tendon]

but you are guaranteed one from world boss

and two per week from anima and souls

[languid flower]

Anyone know of a simsheet for prot warriors?

[woeful cypress]

bloodmallet or raidbots

[languid flower]

I suspect that Reprisal changes stat weights, but I need to play with shield block uptime to confirm

[plush tendon]

nope

at least they shouldnt change weights too much in any direction

[strong forum]

It's still ilvl > haste > vers

[languid flower]

Mastery has to move, though

I'm not sure if it's up or down

but it's gotta move

[plush tendon]

I think people still fixate too much of stats; Blizzard has tried very hard to make us only care about I level. Sometimes you just gotta embrace that and stop thinking

[languid flower]

crit block becomes more significant, but normal block chance evaporates

[woeful cypress]

reprisal does pretty little for stat weights

[strong forum]

Crit block is still rng

Hence why it's not desirable defensively

[woeful cypress]

mastery is an offensive secondary

[strong forum]

Not even that

It's just our weakest stat period

It's not bad

But weaker than the rest

[woeful cypress]

it is bad

its just not to be considered defensive at all imo

[sterile moss]

haste sims badly for me offensively, but that may be because I have much more haste than other stats

[woeful cypress]

if u take mastery its for AP

crit for parsing

vers for tanking

haste always

[rich ember]

what's the point of haste beyond like 20%?

[strong forum]

The same point it has before 20%

[rich ember]

zoom?

[strong forum]

Rage gen, SB uptime, more dmg

[woeful cypress]

afaik fray doesnt make ur secondarys dr

[strong forum]

CD cycling

[woeful cypress]

high haste is poggers

[deep steppe]

you wanna go from

to

[sterile moss]

on multitarget, haste sims as the worst stat for me

[deep steppe]

[signal plover]

Itf is % haste, not rating, so no DR

[strong forum]

^

[woeful cypress]

i wasnt sure if secondarys dr at a % or at a flat rating

[strong forum]

Rating

[rich ember]

guess I gotta do haste things then. I'm used to playing dk where it's ALL vers, a little haste, then then whatever.

[strong forum]

29% haste here and still stacking

Gotta hit that 39% before itf

[woeful cypress]

im at 16% xd

[rich ember]

SAME

[strong forum]

Eww

[woeful cypress]

im at 22% crit tho

and 21% vers

[strong forum]

Only 15 here

[next apex]

yaaaaahhh my haste is poo poo but my warrior is super poo poo geared

FeelsBadMan

[rich ember]

^ also same

[woeful cypress]

im enchanting crit to parse tonight tbh it feels bad tho

[rich ember]

I was doing DK things, then we got another tank who is only DK, and here I am like "well my fury warrior is like 215"

[delicate thorn]

Do world quests not reward one-handed weapons at all? I've been checking every day on my warrior and never seen a WQ with one-hander reward. I've done two that gave two-handers though

[rich ember]

get a pvp wep my dude.

just farm it.

[strong forum]

Wqs are a bitch

[rich ember]

ez 200.

[plush tendon]

Im like 220 I level, and I feel like I always have less stats then all of yall

😦

[woeful cypress]

at 220 ilvl oyu will have less stats

[rich ember]

dude you're not 233? sub par.

[woeful cypress]

im 227.5

[umbral cave]

thoughts on this WQ reward on which ring to replace?

[woeful cypress]

replace 168

[plush tendon]

its not just you, its everyone 😭

[delicate thorn]

I have a 177 weapon for prot atm, I just want something a bit better

[modern brook]

Straight up if you're not even Epics yet just take ilvl it doesnt matter

[woeful cypress]

some ppl may pump there numbers a bit to seem 🆒 @plush tendon

[modern brook]

just get to a gear level that can do content then worry about upgrades