protection

[dusky mica]

HR on sludge is topkek

I dont think crafting your leggo based on this current raid is a good idea

[arctic wasp]

is it better than bolster :O?

[dusky mica]

on sludge, yeah

90% + blocked attacks

it's a bit nuts

[unique shale]

yes and no you need that AM for more shield wall

[arctic wasp]

i'm asking particularyfor sludge

[dusky mica]

you dont need HR though, but it is great on that boss

makes warrior by far the best tank on that guy

[arctic wasp]

i mean defensivly between HR and bolster, does HR gives more block uptime ?

[dusky mica]

yes

[arctic wasp]

i see

that makes sense

[unique shale]

and i was particularly Answering your question

[arctic wasp]

yes and no is not an asnwer xD

and AM was not part of the question 😛

[unique shale]

well everybody has their own opinion i cannot force mine

[dusky mica]

HR is also good on Huntsman if you're not the add bitch

[shut summit]

yea with a 226 im getting https://i.imgur.com/7c30Sgg.png

[dusky mica]

less dps than AM though

[unique shale]

if you want facts go on icy vines for talents on each bosses

[shut summit]

missing 12sec of CDR looks like, will report it

[snow tusk]

Is the Queensguard's Vigil trinket from world quest some kind of hidden gem like the bell for boomkins, or is it trash?

[empty spindle]

What leggo is everyone using in m+

[snow tusk]

reprisal

[dusky mica]

yeah it's 12, not 20, ie conduit only gives 20

pretty weird

[arctic wasp]

it seems is like "capped" to 20 i have the 213 version which is supposes to give 30 and it gives me 20 too

[dusky mica]

wasn't it nerfed on ptr?

it used to reduce it by a huge amount right?

[arctic wasp]

i dont think so, i'm pretty sure this is previous 9.0.5 but have no proof =(, either way either the ability is bugged or the tooltip is wrong, but is not the same numbers xD

[dusky mica]

it's less worse than I remember,I was sure it was 20s short when I was messing with it

[shut summit]

still dumb that it doesn't match up

works fine for arms/fury CDs

[dusky mica]

it does work for arms, yes

didnt test fury

I hope we get some good conduits eventually

[outer solstice]

good conduits? ewww

they would nerf our core asap when we get good conduits

[shut summit]

BoM conduit

[outer solstice]

gimme a defensive conduit that makes SB 1 second longer hehe

[dusky mica]

the base stalwart is 20, looks like it just doesn't scale up in the backend code

[shut summit]

[dusky mica]

has Stalwart always been broken though? if it has I feel like I've been cheated on by my woman!

[outer solstice]

I mean .... with AM and wall nobody noticed maybe *shrug

[shut summit]

yea never really looked that closely, silly me for thinking it would work

😬

[outer solstice]

yeah, how could blizzard make things that work

[dusky mica]

the tclap conduit works you can use that one safely!

SUCH POWER

[outer solstice]

but it's useless

[dusky mica]

they're all useless

[outer solstice]

unnerving is not

[chilly brook]

HR really isn't that good

[dusky mica]

feel like a clown when I look at this soulbind stuff

[outer solstice]

I am add bitch shrug and I would never not run AM on that fight

[dusky mica]

HR is good if you want to take no damage, but yes you don't need to use it

[outer solstice]

even if I would tank boss

[chilly brook]

Bolster is a far better pick

[dusky mica]

nah

[outer solstice]

yeah bolster > HR

[chilly brook]

HR is extreme rng brother

[dusky mica]

it's not

[arctic wasp]

I was checking the forums and there is a post 5d older saying that it only reduces 12 seconds, maybe they attempt to fix it and leave it where is now, that gives 20 seconds hahaha

[outer solstice]

it is

[chilly brook]

HR is rng 100%

[dusky mica]

the gap between bolster coming back is larger than the gaps you get with HR

[chilly brook]

You dont control when you get resets

I've done HR

Lots of cool a reset after my shield block ran out

[outer solstice]

just cite mwahi "Bolster Icon Bolster is the best option on the row if you are going for a more defensive setup. The extra Shield Block Icon Shield Block uptime it provides helps us cover our Shield Block gaps, making our damage intake a lot smoother overall."

[sturdy sable]

The arguement is tanks should and do value controlled defensives over rng defensive gains @dusky mica

[outer solstice]

"Heavy Repercussions Icon Heavy Repercussions, while good, does not provide the same amount of benefit that Anger Management Icon Anger Management and Bolster Icon Bolster do in most situations. Bolster Icon Bolster is generally better than Heavy Repercussions defensively and Anger Management Icon Anger Management is better offensively (in AoE). While not being as good as the other 2, it can still find uses in mainly ST situations, like Raids."

HR is a bad middle ground

[dusky mica]

HR let's you get 90% + block uptime on non swap bosses, I don't give a shit about some guide

[outer solstice]

not some guide... it's Mwahi

[dusky mica]

The suggestion was for a guy wiping on sludge

[outer solstice]

yeah go bolster

[sturdy sable]

He should still run bolster

[outer solstice]

and time your SBs right

[sturdy sable]

Loads of downtime during sludge

[dusky mica]

I don't agree but you can play what you want

[sturdy sable]

Massive huge chunks of downtime where he's just not swinging at you tho

[outer solstice]

we don't have to agree thoo, but there are reasons nearly noone is running HR

[dusky mica]

yes because you dont need 90% block he's a clown boss with AM

[chilly brook]

On sludge you should run AM

[dusky mica]

but HR will lead to less damage taken

[chilly brook]

It won't

Because you shouldn't be struggling blocking on sludge to begin with

[outer solstice]

there is not a single log of sludge M in the last 2 weeks with someone running HR

[sturdy sable]

I very seldom switch to bolster in raid

[chilly brook]

He has a very very strict dance

[outer solstice]

I wonder why

[sturdy sable]

I'm almost always running AM

[outer solstice]

because he's predicatable

[chilly brook]

Literal periods of time where you just dont cast shield block because it's a waste

Like chain slam

[outer solstice]

yeah but for sludge bolster is the superior choice

[dusky mica]

AM is

[chilly brook]

Or the melee before/after stomp

[dusky mica]

but that was not really the point

[sturdy sable]

Well you gotta cast it during pillars for the shield slam damage

[chilly brook]

Nah

[outer solstice]

never xD

[sturdy sable]

I'm meming

[chilly brook]

HR just really is not the play

[outer solstice]

you know what xD not even on hc there are any logs of someone running HR on sludge xD

(in the last 2 weeks)

well below 5%

that is

[dusky mica]

because it's not needed AND people play what does dps these days

[outer solstice]

why would anyone run bolster then?

75% of ppl run bolster on sludge

[dusky mica]

because they're bad?

[chilly brook]

Or more likely

[outer solstice]

let's use 95% DPS

[chilly brook]

It's a defensive when you need it

Not a defensive when you hope

[outer solstice]

on myhtic sluge, 95percentile DPS

75% use bolster

guess they are bad shrug

@chilly brook also especially for bosses like sludge with all the downtime, extending a SB into the downtime is worthless

like literally worth nothing

[chilly brook]

Yep

[outer solstice]

the offensive boost of HR is also minimal, as you can pool rage before the charge

[dusky mica]

I don't think if you're main tanking sludge you'd get higher blocked hits with bolster over HR

[chilly brook]

Wat

[outer solstice]

lul

[chilly brook]

Who has aggro is irrelevant

[outer solstice]

yeah, you will still not get more blocks with HR over bolster, as either tank of sludge

[royal rune]

Is prot warr back with the buffs in 9.0.5?

[outer solstice]

was never gone

[chilly brook]

This

[royal rune]

Prot war was so fun in bfa

[outer solstice]

weell, we're different

now

[royal rune]

TC could be back

[outer solstice]

a lot more back to basics

nah

[chilly brook]

You realize both tanks get hit the exact same amount of times and its every melee yea?

[dusky mica]

tc isnt back

it's still shit

[outer solstice]

21% buff to an ability that deals no damage is irrelevant

TC is a low priority rage generator

nothing else

[royal rune]

Aw k

[unique shale]

prot war is always fun you were playing it in bfa because it was meta

[royal rune]

That's part of it for me

[outer solstice]

well I play prot since vanilla xD

we changed so often

and I really really disliked bfa Prot

[royal rune]

100k dps in JY

Pewpew

How are basics changed. Still need shield block uptime

[outer solstice]

can still do DPS shrug somehow

[outer solstice]

you have to care a lot more when to use SB

[royal rune]

Because of the downtokeM

[floral pewter]

our guild tank tells me that the Sludgefist offtank can't dodge or parry so they actually take more damage, is that true?

[royal rune]

Time

[chilly brook]

How dare you

[outer solstice]

when a boss is not gonna hit you for 5 seconds

[outer solstice]

it's wrong

[chilly brook]

Dont think so

Pretty sure I've parried

[outer solstice]

both tanks take exactly the same amount of raw damage

[chilly brook]

At least in heroic

[outer solstice]

and both can block/parry

[dusky mica]

you can parry giant fists yes, and block

what you couldnt do was proc some on hit things

[outer solstice]

there was a mistake on tanknotes for a long time

that stated the mitigation of the first tank will reduce the dmg on the 2nd tank

that was just plain wrong

[dusky mica]

because it didnt count as boss damage it was environmental, this has since been fixed

[chilly brook]

Well that's how it worked week 1

In fairness

[outer solstice]

yeah tanknotes still said it for months after that

[dusky mica]

the weird healing taken enchant didn't used to work on sludgefist

[outer solstice]

oh yeah that one is super wonky

[dusky mica]

I assume that also works now, but I only used it in week 1 for testing

[outer solstice]

use celestial or sinful

celestial being the more defensive option

[chilly brook]

Tfw you hit 99s without sinful

[unique shale]

[outer solstice]

it's 3 am here, me confused

you plz talk to me like I'm 5

[mossy sluice]

enchant

[outer solstice]

xD

[mossy sluice]

wcl parse

[noble ermine]

howdy folks, can anyone help guide me?

[dusky mica]

take a left at the forest

[outer solstice]

@noble ermine what do you need? have you worked through the guides already? and checked the pins?

[sturdy sable]

And then a right at the sign post

[dusky mica]

don't pick up the skeletal hand

[unique shale]

[sturdy sable]

If you reach the spooky cave you've gone far enough

[outer solstice]

whaaat? I always pick up the skeletal hand reeeeeeee

[sturdy sable]

That's your first mistake

You take the fully fleshed hand instead

[outer solstice]

I am flawless, I am gnome !

[chilly brook]

Me big parse no big gooder weapon enchant

[dusky mica]

just ask a question, there's enough people who've read guides to answer you

[mighty valley]

we’re all having a normal one I see

[outer solstice]

@chilly brook you show logs DM we compare

[chilly brook]

Just look up woahyer

I'm the only one

[outer solstice]

are 52 ewww

[noble ermine]

@outer solstice i believe so

i'm specifically looking for help with threat management

[chilly brook]

Gotta filter out my booty fury parses

[noble ermine]

im not sure if its me or the dps just blasting through what i'm capable of at the moment

[outer solstice]

@chilly brook I still beat you on every single boss in terms of DPS, hehehehe using sinful though

@noble ermine DPS or raid?

[noble ermine]

m+

raid isn't an issue

[outer solstice]

might be your DPS thoo

[chilly brook]

Hey I also haven't tanked in weeks

[noble ermine]

definitely could be

[outer solstice]

some jsut go ham

@chilly brook yeah haven't done much hc lately too, only "some" sire

[noble ermine]

my warr is ilvl 197 with mostly haste/vers and soulbind/conduits + consumables are for haste & survival cuz im pushing 12s but i had a 207 fury warr that consistently ripped aggro even if i had all my stuff off cd

[outer solstice]

@chilly brook but I beat you on shriek and huntsman too, you got me on hungering though, as our healers really suck they want me to use IP, ewwwww

[noble ermine]

but i haven't had that issue in prior 12s with higher geared people

wasn't sure if i was doing something wrong

[unique shale]

if they got aggro in case of it is dps blasting too much damage at opener. one thing you can do is to let them die from aggro and they will learn

[noble ermine]

at one point he waited 10 seconds and still ripped aggro

[outer solstice]

@noble ermine oh I pull aggro from even big 2000 rio DHs as fury if I just put my forehead on the keyboard

it's their mistake

[noble ermine]

ok so its the dps's responsibility not to rip aggro from me as long as i'm doing my best to hold it?

[outer solstice]

you using ravager and enough revenge?

nah it's still partly your job

[noble ermine]

i could probably be using revenge more

[outer solstice]

if you need to use IP to stay alive

it's the right thing

[noble ermine]

but ravager off cd except when i want to save for a specific pack coming up soon

[outer solstice]

you have a log maybe?

[noble ermine]

nah

i wasn't logging that one

[chilly brook]

You beat my 3.2k on sire?

[outer solstice]

then maybe log a run and we can look into detail

@chilly brook yep

[chilly brook]

F

[outer solstice]

3.2735

[chilly brook]

Also yea my group sucked at Shriek

[outer solstice]

but I have a few more kills

[chilly brook]

And I was bitch dog boi for huntsman

[bleak plaza]

i was dpsing a random key earlier for valor on my sham and had a prot war running never surrender, is that good or was he likely just testing it out

[noble ermine]

ok cool thanks

[outer solstice]

we missed 2nd intermission skip with 50k HP this week @chilly brook

[chilly brook]

But now I'm a fury boi with the only thing that I actually tank being some keys and sometimes heroic sire

[outer solstice]

dog bitch too here, still beating you by 700 DPS

[chilly brook]

Ooof

Padder

[outer solstice]

maybe shrug

[grand drum]

you guys ready for next week when we intervene melee for reprisal to proc, only for them to get hit by spiteful which means you get hit by spiteful?

[chilly brook]

Jk tho

I feel like I'd be a big pumper if I wasn't stuck with a 213 weapon

[outer solstice]

but yeah for sire I'm at 112 logged kills

so don't be mad that I beat you there xD xD

[chilly brook]

I'll take the victory on hungering

[outer solstice]

using a 220 PvP weapon without haste ooof

[chilly brook]

Considering it's like months old

[outer solstice]

yep

we only killed hungering twice and I died both times because my raidlead is the offtank and he wasn't paying attention

[chilly brook]

Oof

[outer solstice]

yep

so they ask me to IP more... even after I pull like 1.8-2k HPS on some tries

they still ask me to do more xD

I just want to reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[chilly brook]

[outer solstice]

though running AM, because I hate bolster... still got 80% blocked

and 95% overwhelm blocked

(the 1 overwhelm was not mine, reeeeeee)

[unique shale]

[outer solstice]

well nn everyone

[weary notch]

nn

[indigo knot]

Yo I just ran a upper reaches 8 on my warrior alt and didn't get the leggo? is it not guarenteed?

[uneven mason]

maybe you has it on your bags?

[raven kernel]

did u do runecarver's memory quest first?

[uneven mason]

👆

[indigo knot]

holy

fuck

not like this

[raven kernel]

sadge

[worthy karma]

So.... is everyone going necro?

[sturdy sable]

No...

[uneven mason]

[sturdy sable]

^

[worthy karma]

ah ha! tyty

ahh fair, but what if we only care about raid? do we think its worth it then?

[unkempt fox]

9% sire HP nerf on HC wow thats huge

ez curve for those who still need it

[torn gust]

hecc yeah

[silk crane]

hey necro boys

anyone else notice that popping banner before entering combat in raid removes banner?

[cinder fern]

Oh, that's interesting. Those you buff keep it, but it drops off the warrior on combat start.

[silk crane]

yeah

thats surely a bug right?

[cinder fern]

I should hope so.

[spring crescent]

I'm new to prot and right now the main thing I am struggling with is not pressing a button for 1-2 globals at a time, i find myself looking for something to press and wasting rage on whirlwind, does anyone have any tips for this aside from just don't do it?

Maybe ways to fill my globals more effeciently / "correctly"?

[silk crane]

i think thats normal

you can only minimise dead globals, not remove them entirely

make sure youre thunderclapping and shield slamming often

also whirlwind? you mean revenge?

[spring crescent]

No I mean whirlwind, I do my best to not press revenge without a proc (but also rarely do for the same reason)

Is whirlwind never worth pressing?

[cinder fern]

Not really; revenge is your damaging rage-spender.

[empty locust]

Remove whirlwind from bars

[spring crescent]

Completely? Literally never press?

[empty locust]

Yup

[cinder fern]

It doesn't really interact with our kit, whereas at least revenge gets extra damage from BSC.

[spring crescent]

Noted, thanks guys

[queen mantle]

would u guys take vers over haste?

or

[hollow silo]

Haste vers

[queen mantle]

im at 21% vers

[sweet summit]

Revenge is your main offensive rage spender, you should use it often. But try to always have enough rage for Shield Block

[solemn magnet]

Haste vers

[queen reef]

so is Best Served Cold or Booming Voice better with Reprisal?

for M+ specifically

[sick sentinel]

do we ever whirlwind?

[patent osprey]

no never

[sick sentinel]

ok 😄

thats what i thought

opinion on nightfae?

[jagged pier]

dont worry Nome so do i so do i, and i bet that didnt take you like 6 dungeons to get to that damage

[chilly brook]

Did another key

My opinion is still deadset against reprisal

[pastel kelp]

The Wall instead for raid and mythic plus then?

I NEED to know it's gonna reprisal or sigment of kings 😳

[chilly brook]

Reprisal is fine

Lots of people think it's good

I personally vehemently dislike the way it plays and think that its buffing something that's already a strength without helping shore up any real weakness but thats my opinion and I dont have any real data to back that up other than it feels worse to me in keys than the wall

[opal spire]

How about ignore pain? prioritize IP as SB? Or just spam revenge?

[eager phoenix]

doing some casual 14s past week i feel reprisal works great in majority of dungeons. doesnt feel that bad except when you got nobody naturally in melee range in the group. intervening to africa felt bad. sometimes i felt double time was missing. storming made it big aids as well. i guess its about getting used to it but having to think when to intervene felt bad. i just wanted to use it on cd and focus on the other stuff.

[ionic fern]

SB is your main mitigation tool so you should prioritize that. IP helps smooth the damage out.

You can also use IP against dots/magic damage etc that is not blockable - however ideally you would have a cd ready for these if they are hard hitting.

[valid zodiac]

This week I did mostly 14s for weekly so I didn't pop that much Reprisal. I need more time getting used to it. Storming definitely made it 10 times worse. And also playing without a melee to intervene is awful

[ionic fern]

Storming was a pain with Intervene jeah. 😦
Outside of that tho the Rage/SB uptime ontop of AM reducing SW CD down to like 2m it's a great Legendary. Just takes some time getting used to.
Only thing i don't enjoy is having to Leap from time to time in order to Charge back in but that's w/e as you mostly know when you have to kite regardless so you can save it. Plus..NF's Soulshape provides you another way to Charge back in.

[lusty furnace]

Are people on Crackling Thunder or Bounding Stride. Kinda wanna swap over to Stride but losing the range on Clap feels iffy

[ionic fern]

Just go for Stride - you won't notice a huge difference in terms of TC range.

[lusty furnace]

yeah I guess I should just go for it. The TC range isn't that huge and since Clap doesn't do a lot of dmg anyhow it should be fine

[radiant swift]

hi, what is the haste cap for prot atm? (cd reduce on shield block)

[jagged pier]

166%

[radiant swift]

ok 😄
the reachable?

[jagged pier]

as high as u can get without dropping ilvl

there is no magic %

[radiant swift]

at DH i know the demon spike cd switch at 14% and 21,5%

[jagged pier]

if anything u want 39% haste because then the stat tax happens

we have no stat more valuable than haste

[crisp dragon]

Still a shit ton of haste

[radiant swift]

versa?

[jagged pier]

please get out of stat % mind set

it wont help u here

u want ilvl

[lusty furnace]

as much as you can without saccing Ilvl or haste really

[jagged pier]

if the armour piece is 5+ ilvls

its an upgrade

regardless of stats

necks and rings dont fall into this

ones u are 226/233 on all pieces

and u get 2 armour pieces for the same slot at the same ilvl

then u care about what stats are on it

[crisp dragon]

When that happens, Ill go crit/haste, big dick crits

[jagged pier]

and then it would be which has more haste

[radiant swift]

the haste versa pvp gear is not bad then

[jagged pier]

no

good stats expect most are heavy vers

[royal rune]

What changes made prot warr good usable again?

[jagged pier]

we want heavy haste

[jagged pier]

it already was good

[royal rune]

What covenant?

[jagged pier]

if u didnt like it before u wont like it now its even more complex to play

[crisp dragon]

Popping off this morning, lets fucking GO jakey boy

[jagged pier]

just the truth

🤷

[crisp dragon]

Get these non-reprisal-skilled apes outta here, you're the goat

[jagged pier]

ive seen ppl trying to reroll to it and as the skill cap has gone up even more

[royal rune]

Can someone link reprisal?

[jagged pier]

they are struggling even harder

[royal rune]

Is it harder than prot war in bfa?

That was headsmash class

[jagged pier]

because they think the 10% buff and reprisal fix it all when not really, repirsal adds another layer ontop of a class people already found it hard to play

[jagged pier]

much harder no borrowed to cover bad play u play bad u die

or u lose aggro and your group dies then u die

u dont have the correct mitigation up u die

[crisp dragon]

But with all this storming shit, intervening and charging, I often ended up with my ass exposed, but shit aint gonna oneshot me in +15s

[royal rune]

Is +15 tough atm?

[ionic fern]

For some people: yes.
For others : No.

[royal rune]

Stuff hits hard?

[jagged pier]

depends if u play correctly

[royal rune]

How are they doing 24s

25s

[ionic fern]

That's such a bad question tho.

I've seen people failing +5s.

[royal rune]

Still gotta kite

[ionic fern]

For them a +15 is like a dream.

😂

What are you trying to find out right now?

In the grand scheme +15's should be easy for anyone who knows their class.

[royal rune]

Remembering my bfa prot war days

[crisp dragon]

Then wait 30 years for BfA classic, this isn't BfA son

[radiant swift]

😄

[sick sentinel]

any idea why my leggo didnt drop from torghast upper reach?

[radiant swift]

layer 3+?

[sick sentinel]

just did layer 8

but no leggo

wtf man

[radiant swift]

you earned soul ash?

[sick sentinel]

yes

from upper reach

layer 8

no leggo

[north pecan]

anyway got a new toon from 200 item lvl to 215 item lvl and up to 1600 IO

Happy about that

[royal rune]

What's CD on flesh craft

[ionic fern]

2m baseline reduced by "moving near enemy corpses".

[royal rune]

Is it channeling ?

[jolly granite]

Yes

[royal rune]

Ah 4 secs

You can still block right?

While channelling

[jolly granite]

You get immunity during

And you can block

[royal rune]

Immunity to?

[jolly granite]

All

40 % against all

[jagged pier]

u get immunity to cc effect i believe

not damae

[royal rune]

Like another SW

[ionic fern]

It's 20%.

[royal rune]

Esse tially

[jagged pier]

but as its a 20% damage reduction and an absorb

[jolly granite]

Ah okay

[jagged pier]

that all gets takening into account

so the absorb will get taken before your hp

[ionic fern]

It's 20% DR + Shield + you can Block during the channel.

[orchid frigate]

ngl have had a blast on my warrior since wednesday 🙂

feels a lot less clunky for me now

[ionic fern]

[orchid frigate]

glad that i kept it. feel like that tank balance atm is amazingly good

maybe VDH is a tad better than rest, but well, you cant get everything 🙂

[worthy ibex]

hi im pretty new to prot what talents are better in the 45 and 50 row ? I read some guides but everytime they recommend something else

[ionic fern]

Hello,
For what situations? Raids? m+?

[lusty furnace]

New character? Guessing not but incase it is you have to do some of the legendary crafter guys quests for them to drop from layer 3+ iirc

[worthy ibex]

well i think at the start only dungeons since i dont have enough gear and experience for raids

[ionic fern]

For Mythic+:
With The Wall legendary:
Devastator/X/Booming Voice/X/Indom/Ravager/Bolster
With Reprisal:
Devastator/X/Best Served Cold/Indom/Ravager/Anger Management

[worthy ibex]

and without any leggo ?

its a fresh 60

[ionic fern]

Same setup as The Wall would probably perform best for you. 🙂

[sand condor]

BSC is a talent i love

[solid cairn]

Is it really important to have the right covenant for the raid in mythic ? Don't really want to be kyrian or NF ^^'

[ionic fern]

Not really, no.

You can get away with running any Covenant.

[sick sentinel]

oh really best served cold over booming with reprisal ok cool! 😄

[remote dawn]

crackling thunder or bounding stride?

[strong forum]

Whichever you prefer

[unreal scarab]

I don t want to force you or anything but if you don t accept Necrolords as our lord and Savior we cant be friends!

[jagged pier]

simp

[ionic fern]

Honestly, Necrolord is a lot better than before but 99% of the playerbase would get better use out of NF/Kyrian

[jagged pier]

☝️

[fossil vapor]

why?

[solid cairn]

I'm necrolords because if find it more in phase with the image i have of a tank

[orchid frigate]

i want to be venth or necro due to my image of a warrior but now i dont think i can cba to change 😦

[ionic fern]

1)You lose a solid amount of personal DPS
2)Managing the banner can be difficult - you have to position yourself near the people who actually benefit from it when they pop their CD's - more often than not these are ranged DPS'ers like boomy/mage.
3)It's a 2m CD so it doesn't really line up with lets say boomkins Incarn (3m) meaning you would have to sit on it for a whole minute.

[fossil vapor]

it's in line whit convoke, and u are the tank so i know the bigs pulls where they must use theyr cd, but yeah it's true u have to look on the cd friend but it's are more funny

[jagged pier]

they only use convoke with incarn

usually

[fossil vapor]

ye

[jagged pier]

so it doesnt line up with convoke then as they use it on 3 mins 90% of the time

[ionic fern]

I'll enjoy my Vortex/Knockdown with a ton of damage, thank you very much.

[wild sandal]

still condem prot here, its to much fun

[fossil vapor]

but the flesh craft are basicly a new personal cd no?

[ionic fern]

Jeah, sure - it's a solid extra defensive.

[fossil vapor]

i have my two main pg kyrian, so i changed the war prot from ventyr to kyrian, then necrolord (cause too much kyrian destroy my mind) never played Fae, and i use war only prot and only for plus

[ionic fern]

NF is great in m+ specifically.

The utility that Ancient Aftershock provides is insane (ontop of the damage).

[tawdry dirge]

are we stil running ravager in keys?

[fossil vapor]

mh, and in terms of souldbinds? i really love the necrolord war, but like NF too, so if nf are better for high- medium keys (like 17-18) i think will go nf

[ionic fern]

Niya and Korayn are both solid.

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[unreal scarab]

Still everything doable Plka switched to Necro and he is still the world best prot warrior right now. Also you see on RIO all covenants at the 20+ Range. So whatever floats your boat i guess

[fossil vapor]

ok i will jsut play necro for some week, then change nf and decide what use forever

[unreal scarab]

exactly mate.

[fossil vapor]

but for necrolord in plus what is the best soulbind? enemi?

[unreal scarab]

enemi is pretty solid jeah

[tawdry dirge]

thanks

[blazing condor]

havent every really used the slimes at 4th boss in PF - you can just walk to the right and kill them right?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

There's a separate corridor on the right side where 3 slimes are.

[blazing condor]

yeah

and you only get the buffs if you got a necro with fleshcraft right?

[jolly thistle]

the red one leaves a puddle. When you stand in it you get periodic dmg but gain a haste buff.

If you have a necro, fleshcraft gets all three buffs without drawbacks

[blazing condor]

yeah im thinking to carry the buffs to last buff

[wide pilot]

anyone have any tips for the 1st boss in spires? im getting torn apart

[valid zodiac]

Block every Overhead slash and don't run through beam

[wide pilot]

when u say the beam u talking about the shotgun balls the snake thing shoots out?

[valid zodiac]

That as well but there is a link between the snake and the boss

That once you run through it it deals damage

[wide pilot]

that might be whats killing me. should shield block be enough for overhead slash? feels like it was still chunking me

[valid zodiac]

It hits hard but yea you gotta have it up once she does the ability

[wide pilot]

now do u know if there is a list for dungeons on what should be spell reflected? i saw a list of everything that could but it seemed like some mobs casts multiple spells that can be interupted and not sure always which one to reflect for the most impact

[jagged pier]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQgrszRE22Brb0f5k761vUXVe7MD1-qHThpalxzn0zWFRdQqrh0hM5LcQNoa-lLz4781S5rH2e9tRXG/pubhtml

[wide pilot]

yea thats the spreadsheet that shows everything interuptable but doesnt say what should be

[glacial olive]

How's reprisal for sludge, or will that cause us to get omega-smacked by the boss?

[blazing condor]

also its a bit risky to charge the boss to begin the fight sometimes - if youre unlucky you get like 2 stacks from the beam

[jagged pier]

u run the wall

[wide pilot]

@blazing condor is it worth using spell reflect on the Attenuated Barrage (orbs the snake shoots out) and eat for for the dmg? or do u use it on the Ionized Plasma

[jagged pier]

it deflects 1 orb

[wide pilot]

how does it treat the ionized plasma? the spread sheet shows ??? on reflecting the spear itself

[jagged pier]

'Deflect void zone from spear on the ground'

thats how it deals with ionizing plasma

the question mark is for charged spear dont know if it does

probably no

[mild ruin]

you can sidestep overhead slash and it becomes a moot ability

[slender finch]

hows the dmg between night fae and kyrian if you only run 15s and want to maximize dps output

[blazing condor]

prob NF offers more damage thru conduits and shit

not sure tho

[sweet summit]

nf is a good bit ahead

[blazing condor]

id wanna re roll NF but theres not enough kyrians for dungeons around

[grizzled nova]

don't run kyrian dungeons 4head

[blazing condor]

tbh yeah i wouldnt mind not running SoA or NW that much

[slender finch]

im really torn and not sure how accurate sims are

nf niya sims somewhat above mikanikos but spear also only has a 1min cd compared to nf spell

[solid cairn]

is it still true? The mt from my guild say that it's not avoidable now

[merry ocean]

AA has 1 min 15 sec

Not a big difference

[grizzled nova]

It's not.

At sl launch it had two components, a telegraphed tank nuke and a cone frontal, and you could sidestep the cone frontal.

[slender finch]

is it some conduit interaction? or smth? just started leveling warrior last time played in bfa and tooltip says 1.30 vs1.00

[grizzled nova]

But the telegraphed tank nuke was never avoidable and still isn't.

[merry ocean]

Ye conduit

[slender finch]

ic

[solid cairn]

ok thanks so you use SB on it

[grizzled nova]

You can literally be across the room when she casts overhead slash and it'll still hit you.

[blazing condor]

yeah SB it or youre kinda toast

[solid cairn]

okok i will do my first m+ as prot warr this evening

[blazing condor]

gl!

[solid cairn]

Do i need a specific leg?

[blazing condor]

what do you got? mostly for m+ people run Repirsal now

but if you have The Wall it works as well

Reprisal is the better pick though

[sweet egret]

hey, so you're actually supposed to switch from booming voice in favor of best served cold now? (for m+ with reprisal)

[blazing condor]

yes

[solid cairn]

first week that i have mywar so i got the memory bu have not crafted any

[blazing condor]

If youre gonna be running mostly m+ i'd say go reprisal

the wall is better if youre gonna tank raids as well

[solid cairn]

so since i will be doing the two of them i should probable start with The wall?

[obtuse prism]

silly q but i never noticed so im asking - does tc slow spitefuls?

[merry ocean]

Y

[blazing condor]

The general consensus has been to stick with wall for raid/m+ but im not actually 100% sure whats the right pick rn

[obtuse prism]

cool, ty

[blazing condor]

reprisal doesnt really work well in raids

[solid cairn]

Seems legit

[mystic berry]

is this trinket good for m+? Are there any decent world drop trinkets i should get on prot?

[sweet summit]

ya i think that one is solid

[blazing condor]

looks pretty good yeah

[sweet summit]

hymnal of the path

is also fucking

bonkers

[mystic berry]

that is kyrian one?

[sweet summit]

uhhhh

idk tbh

[blazing condor]

name sounds kyrian-y :p

[wide pilot]

is it normal for bigwigs to be off on the overhead slash timer?

[sweet egret]

is Pelagos still the better soulbind for m+ as kyrian?

[hearty quartz]

Guys I just wipe 7 times in arrow in hoa second boss

How I'm supposed

To keep all agri

Agro of summoning mobs

[sweet summit]

revenges, ravager, challenging shout

thunderclap

literally anything

[hearty quartz]

I can't have all and people leave

[signal plover]

Helps if no one hits them before they get close

[sweet summit]

ye. kleia might sim higher if you want bigger dps

[hearty quartz]

So people have to wait?

Cause they are in all the room

[viral fractal]

guys i have a question... Necrolord banner grants mastery for all the party/raid or only for the 2 closest ally like the mov speed buff?

[hearty quartz]

And I can't attack all same time

[blazing condor]

everyone should stack on you and not hit the mobs

they will group up

[signal plover]

Yeah ppl have to wait a few seconds to let them run in

[sweet summit]

only 2 closest

as u cast it

[blazing condor]

you can CC / stun / interrupt

they should all be lined up

[hearty quartz]

Okay okay

They keep blaming me

I know im not the best

But was so strange

[sweet egret]

I just really hate getting the balls and there are some cool effects on the others, like Kleia has the Ascendant Phial making you immune to status effects for 8 sec after phial

[sweet summit]

ya thats pog as fuck on necrotic tbh

[sweet egret]

actually, does crit from say Kleias Pointed Courage add parry?

[sweet summit]

nope

crit rating does

not crit %

[sweet egret]

reading the spellbook it says crit from gear adds parry

[sweet summit]

ya thats crit rating

[sweet egret]

that's pretty lame -.-

[sweet summit]

ya

[sweet egret]

I tried asking earlier, because I saw something about using Best Served Cold now with Reprisal but didn't get any replies. I'm intruiged about that because when I asked like 2 months ago if there was ever a point where you could be using BSC over Booming Voice I got a resounding no.. but that's changed with reprisal then?

[signal plover]

You run BSC with reprisal

[orchid frigate]

ffs trying to run a lunch key and my ISP decides to lag me out

[grizzled nova]

You get the revenge! buff when you charge/intervene with reprisal

which gets the 50% damage buff from bsc

[ebon hound]

You could still use BSC 2 months ago if you didn't need to worry about staying alive (Like 15-keys). BSC + Seismic is (and was) big dam. BSC + Reprisal in keys now is very good for both dam and staying alive.

[inland raft]

Any trick to last boss pf survival, almost did a 14 on my warrior alt at 162 ilvl but just died in last phase and wiped at 5k on boss and after that group couldnt seem to play liek that again and just kept wiping during second. Obviously super undergeared just wondering if anything i could have done or just simply bad matchup for that type of run, felt like i was getting next to no value from reprisal since cant charge reliably

[sterile moss]

^ genuine question or bragging? 😆

[inland raft]

Genuine question

Was really trying to get a 14 on mg day old war

[sterile moss]

There isn't really a trick to surviving stradama's tank damage

just gear up 🤷‍♂️

[signal plover]

Not a great boss to do on tyrannical when undergeared

[amber herald]

did you have to use your defensive cds on anything other than rain?

[signal plover]

You'd rly need to kite the walkybois well

[lofty widget]

2 closest

[inland raft]

Ya defensives were on rains

Used aura mastery on one shield wall on another and then had to couple both last stand and rally on last jusy to have enough hp for healer to keep up with but then just had no more gas

[sterile moss]

sucks to die on 5k. a phantom fire would have done the job if you didn't use one

[amber herald]

you can cleanse the dot with kyrian phial if you're kyrian

[inland raft]

Just making aure was simply matter of biting too much off

[amber herald]

I don't think there's much of a mystery why you died though

you're 162 on tyrannical stradama

[inland raft]

Ya just feelsbadmon and wasnt sure if was some trick to using reprisal on her, felt like barely got any value charge on intermission end and intervene on cd

And charged the adds when came up

The ones that soak

[plush tendon]

You can charge the big adds; avoid the small adds as much as possible, taunt and throw axe work to get aggro on them, and pray your group pushes her fast enough

[noble jungle]

Anyone tried the new Reprisal legendary? How good is it now?

[wind surge]

[sterile moss]

outside of intermission phases you can't really range her to charge because she'll do her no-tank-in-range stuff

so yeah reprisal will be clunky

[amber herald]

you can charge through the pool at the add that spawns and not get the dot

I don't do it, but you can

[sterile moss]

through the pool?

[plush tendon]

I do it, and its great 🙂

[amber herald]

yeah because it's quick enough

[inland raft]

Ya so not really anything i coulda fone then, just bad matchup for such a run

[amber herald]

before the nerfs it was probably the worst boss for prot warr

[plush tendon]

its probably worst for Prot War still

[amber herald]

dots are bad

it's up there but manastorms in DOS are worse imo

[sterile moss]

ugh

they drive me nuts

[lunar perch]

inevitable DoTs in a class that's designed to prevent damage

[plush tendon]

Actually a good question, what are the worst and best bosses for prot warrior

[lunar perch]

Very bad matchup

D:

[signal plover]

Just dorf/kyrian it izzi

[amber herald]

best? last boss of TOP

[sterile moss]

I love gorechop as prot

[plush tendon]

everything in ToP is great for prot

[sterile moss]

[mild ruin]

Testing Heirmir as prot in a Halls 12, was interesting how much usage i got from fleshcraft

[plush tendon]

De sycthes

[plush tendon]

I like Heirmir, how was the healing from Pendant? Ive been using the crit

[inland raft]

Ya my healer keeps telling me how much she likes to heal my warrior even at this low ilvl vs my dh but keep yelling her to save that sentinent til hit high magic or dot effects fights and see if she still likes it

[sterile moss]

also we get to muezalla's tank dot

[amber herald]

piercing barb too

[mild ruin]

31% overheal, 173k healing, its not bad

[plush tendon]

Im thinking it might be swag this week on Greivous

[mild ruin]

agreed

[plush tendon]

but I like the crit and extra endurance conduit

[mild ruin]

Using Safeguard Finesse Conduit since its so nice with reprisal

[sterile moss]

another spiteful week; another week not to invite melees

[plush tendon]

how so?

[mild ruin]

Intervene puts a 12% dr on the target for like 6 sec

[plush tendon]

mmm I guess

but I aint really planning intervene uses to protect my homies; its about me

😛

[sterile moss]

I like me big rallies

[mild ruin]

I have both big rallies and intervene conduit with heirmir

nor am i augusto but its free DR

[sterile moss]

ah, gotcha

by the way, is it just me or do Muezalla's avoidable stuff (the beams, not the orbs) do their damage with a delay

i.e. AFTER the animation?

[blazing condor]

i feel like everything there is kind of delayed

as can be seen when people charge back into muehzala after the melee

and still get hit

[sterile moss]

yeah I sometimes get hit when I charge in after he slams the front of the platform

[grizzled nova]

the aoe that applies the dot seems to linger for a half second or so

[sterile moss]

exactly

[crisp dragon]

It's intended

[sterile moss]

how the heck does an aoe linger

[crisp dragon]

It's because when you're a multi dollar company

[sterile moss]

it's not a void zone

[crisp dragon]

You are limited by the engine

And brain capacity

[grizzled nova]

I dunno, but you charge back in immediately you'll not get hit by the nuke but still take the dot.

Probably because blizzard runs wow on like 0.25 tick servers.

Regardless, you shouldn't charge back in immediately anyways after master of death.

If you wait outside of melee he'll do cosmic artifice again before soul crusher

And you can prevent the soul crusher before shatter reality by doing it

[sterile moss]

does he just spam cosmic artifice if the tank's not in melee?

never tested it

[grizzled nova]

Nah, it's just both abilities are off CD because master of death takes so long, and since the tank isn't in range he uses artifice first.

if the tank isn't in range for soul crusher and artifice is on CD he smashes the floor with soul crusher and it hits everyone

[sterile moss]

That's useful; I'll give it a try, thanks

[grizzled nova]

Well, not exactly with soul crusher, but basically the same mechanic that every rooted boss has.

[sturdy trench]

any1 else getting declined in 15 while being 2k+?

its hilarious

;p

[outer wedge]

Nope

Well depends honestly, if I’m Qing alone most times I can get in. Occasionally I’ll get the whisper “prot lol”

Normally fire mages are snarky people

[grizzled nova]

I mean if I'm doing hard group finder pugs I tend not to go above 15 if I can help it.

But I have no more declines for groups on my 215 warrior than I do on my 225 vdh.

speaking of people getting declines

ayylmao

imagine getting bug fixed and going from A tier to D tier dps

classic blizzard

[outer wedge]

Monkas have the most bugs of any class.

[sterile moss]

lol did you see the essay written by the monk writer for wowhead

it was like a desperate plea to blizzard

[outer wedge]

Babylonis? Or something like that

[sterile moss]

yes

[outer wedge]

Yup Ww monk discord is pretty entertaining won’t lie.

[sterile moss]

I personally don't like the monk class fantasy, but the ww playstyle seems like it would be lots of fun

[near gazelle]

Hes the real mvp tho. He does more for the ww community than blizzard will ever do and its lame to see them not take notes.

[sterile moss]

a shame the way it's been treated by blizz

[toxic prairie]

Why are prot conduits so underwhelming

Where is my free frenzied regen

[plush tendon]

Dont worry, theyll add bastion of might conduit

😛

[toxic prairie]

Sucks because literally none of them are sexy

[plush tendon]

Just like DKs!

[sterile moss]

wdym underwhelming, we can get 10% leech off our deep wounds

Kappa

[plush tendon]

Itll be interesting to see if and how they expand the conduit system

[bleak tapir]

how bad are 🩸 protwarrs?

[past dagger]

How is our damage looking after the buffs? We getting competitive or are we still pretty weak?

[sterile moss]

prot warriors are not bad; our damage is good in m+ now and no longer miserable in single target

we are in a pretty good position overall

[outer wedge]

Necrolord prot Are fun.

[bleak tapir]

I meant

[sterile moss]

night fae is funner

[bleak tapir]

Venth

[plush tendon]

All tanks are competitive, BDK is very tanky there issue is damage (they do none) whereas prot war are still kings of physical and do good damage, but are weak towards magic and bleed (which there are quick a bit of you cant spell reflect)

[sterile moss]

oh I wasn't sure what the blood drop was about

[plush tendon]

I thought it was BDK

XD

[sterile moss]

it's good in raid and alright in m+

[bleak tapir]

yeah mb, 🦴 for example is more obvious

or 👼

[plush tendon]

just use

[bleak tapir]

OH

Ofc

[plush tendon]

But Venthyr Prot War is not bad, condemn brings good ST damage

[bleak tapir]

so yea, I rolled a warr after cheesing KSM as a hunter now its been used up and im ready to play my real class

[sweet summit]

venthyr is fine

the other ones are better tho

[plush tendon]

not great in AOE, but the soulbinds are good and Draven is probably the strongest pure tank soulbind as well

[bleak tapir]

I kinda wanna tank a bit, but again I dont wanna screw up dps by switching to another covenant

im stuck between a rock and a hard place

[plush tendon]

I hear Night Fae is swag for Fury and arms

[sweet summit]

imean youll 100% be fine as venthyr

[bleak tapir]

Ive depleted my love for fae

[sweet summit]

but you dont have huge aoe threat/rage like you will with spear or aa

[bleak tapir]

so its not like the others are GIGA op

[plush tendon]

The problem with Night Fae is that everyone and there mother is Night Fae, and now there is a shortage of every other COV

[bleak tapir]

This!

[plush tendon]

I was actually thinking about going back Kyrian, because last night me and the bois were like "wait, if you arent kyrian, who is???"

[bleak tapir]

relatable situation

[plush tendon]

But I play every Cov but night fae on my 'main' toons and alts

[toxic prairie]

I am sticking venthyr

[plush tendon]

because I aint a part of the system

[toxic prairie]

I know condemn Israel’s worthless for prot but I love the animation

[bleak tapir]

thats what I mean , did so much fae shit on lock and hutnar

[plush tendon]

its not worthless, does big dam, provides a weak Ignore pain, but does damn!

[amber herald]

does kyrian phial remove grievous? I can't remember

[plush tendon]

no

[sweet summit]

it resets it back to 1

[bleak tapir]

you know what, I'm not gonna be part of a system either!

[plush tendon]

.... though AA is super cool

and pumps

Nerf Night Fae blizzard

😛

for everyone else

not us

[blazing condor]

every pug assuming im venthyr going into keys then getting mad when im not

[plush tendon]

Yep 🙂

Told em I was necrolord

[amber herald]

so kyrian phial resets grievous to 1?

[plush tendon]

Didnt get kicked cause it was a 14, but doing SD or Halls without a Vamp kid is much harder then if you have one

[sterile moss]

wait, since when do you assume a pwar is venthyr? 🤨

[blazing condor]

true

because they probably assume its my off-spec

[sterile moss]

lol

[blazing condor]

cus who would play prot warr in 2021 lul

[plush tendon]

They assume you are Venthyr because in their mind, what tanks plays prot

[blazing condor]

^

[plush tendon]

little do they know, Prot war stock is on the rise along with ele shaman

[bleak tapir]

this discord is too hyping

[grizzled nova]

Most people in my experience expect prot to be kyrian.

[plush tendon]

Cov wise, prot wars are in a good place

lots of options, no real bad choice

Its why I love playing my war, there are a lot of choices you can make in regards to talents, legos (we have two/three!) and cov

[grizzled nova]

Hyping of what?

[bleak tapir]

Ceasar here is mr.feelgood

he makes me feelg ood

dr.feelgood *

[arctic wasp]

that's true i was playing venthyr, i didnt like it honestly, is not bad though!, by any meansis just not my playstyle as a tank, then change to kyrian also kind of boring, now i'm playing necrlord and i like it a lot!, but they are very similar in terms of power, never felt underpower or missing something essential, that's cool :), i'm pretty sure NF is in the same spot as their ability is really strong!

[plush tendon]

Gotta feel good, so you can deplete only the finest of keys 🙂

[bleak tapir]

🇩🇪 @plush tendon

[blazing condor]

[arctic wasp]

we are only missing good conduits so far hahaha

[plush tendon]

I think a lot of classes wished their conduits had more impact then they do. Will be interesting to see if Blizzard expands on that system, or leaves it as is

[sweet summit]

wtb good conduits

i will do a lot of illegal things for some good conduits

🙏

[plush tendon]

They just need to turn some of dem azerite traits into conduits; maybe give us a conduit that extend demo shout

or, ideally, one that increases spell reflect's duration or allows it to spell reflect a second spell!

[sterile moss]

how about a potency conduit: whenever you get Revenge! proc you also automatically swipe with a free un-procced revenge

[plush tendon]

thats seismic reverb though

Ill take a flat damage increase on revenge; the clap dream is already dead, might as well give us some revenge damage instead

[sterile moss]

I have no problem with that 😄

[sweet summit]

i want something that interacts with avatar
that'd be cool. maybe not exactly like BoM but same boat

[inland raft]

How about a very simple magic damage reduction conduit like my dh has

[grizzled nova]

Conduits should be mechanically impactful, in that in gives you a choice for a timely thing to do in response to a situation, or numerically impactful, which effectively none of them are.

Oddly enough our best conduit is a finesse conduit which for some reason giga buffs a raid defensive.

[plush tendon]

Same for DK

best defensive option is a finese conduit that gives RP on our interrupt. Everything else is 😦

[light prairie]

Actually what its the best covenant for Prot? Necro?

[plush tendon]

In the pins, but whatever floats your boat

Night Fae, big damage. Kyrian, general purpose, Necro, organized group content. Venthyr, raid ST damage

[turbid cargo]

necro -> transmog

[plush tendon]

if you M+, take into account your general group comp and think about picking a COV that the others are not

[sterile moss]

tbh the only transmog I like is the venthyr one

I hate my nf mog

[light prairie]

Kyrian its always the deffault choice then

if u are puggin in m+ then

[plush tendon]

its simple and effective and fills the Kyrian need. Night Fae looks more fun though, but everyone is night fae so the bonuses arent as valuable

[grizzled nova]

tbh it's the 5 free interrupts on aftershock that makes NF pog as fuck for m+

[hoary belfry]

How good is bolster compared to anger management in keys above 15? Do we need that extra mitigation or do we have enough with reprisal?

[grizzled nova]

it's s tier utility on some packs

[light prairie]

yeah i was thinking about NF, its the best cove in dps too right?

[plush tendon]

Its strong for Fury and arms in M+

But watch Blizzard buff the other Covs more since most classes favor Night Fae

[sterile moss]

bolster's not necessary with reprisal, so we take AM

part of the value of reprisal is that it lets you take AM

[plush tendon]

I think its also important to note that Anger Management also affects Shield Wall, and that helps with magic damage, whereas taking bolster and repriesal would give you supreme SB uptime, but you wont have anything for magic DR

except spell reflect, which may or may not be enough

[hoary belfry]

I thought bolster might be good because we can facetank more, which is the strength of warrior

[blazing condor]

you have such high uptime on SB through reprisal that its not necessary to run bolster

[past dagger]

Tips on reprisal? New to the spec and deciding which leggo to craft. Hear there’s some trick ones in making use of it so I’m wondering if it would be better to craft the wall so I don’t waste the benefits by being bad.

[mellow gorge]

lads, how much damage are we dealing with reprisal on average in m+s ?

[sweet summit]

depends on dungeon

and how you pull

[mellow gorge]

hmmm

[sweet summit]

and how you spend your rage

and how much dps your dps does

[tardy parcel]

I've really come to adore playing with Reprisal. Feels so much more impactful than Thunderlord - which is a little ironic, because for whatever reason I was excited for TL until I actually used it lol

[mellow gorge]

just give me an average pelase

[heavy locust]

I just switch to NF. so much fun with AA

[sweet summit]

and how much you trust your healer

4-5k this week i think is solid

thats me as venthyr

[fallen gazelle]

Press X to doubt

[mellow gorge]

ah alright

[sweet summit]

wdym doubt

[fallen gazelle]

I'd believe 5k in NW taking all the weapons, otherwise i'd be surprised to see above 4k

[sweet summit]

[tardy parcel]

Those names... lol

[past dagger]

In terms of common usage, I charge in then when buff falls off I intervene? Do I then jump out and charge again after that falls off?

[sweet summit]

ya dont look at the details names...

👀

[tardy parcel]

It really kind of depends on the situation, but that is how I would use it in a fairly typical scenario. If you have to kite at any point anyways, the charging back in will also pop SB up for you

[sweet summit]

charge in, get one SB charge on CD asap. get intervene on CD then just try to avoid overcapping SB charges/having intervene/charge on cd for too long

[ionic fern]

4k was something we were already doing before the buff...

[unreal scarab]

i m a little concirned about your mage there...... but he is playing mage so i think this is just mandatory?

[mellow gorge]

how tanky do you feel with reprisal btw

[sweet summit]

very

[hoary belfry]

5.7k is fine for a +15 key

as a mage

[ionic fern]

It's like 2 in one..extra SB uptime and still get the SW cdr from AM as well

[mellow gorge]

but my 1:30m shield wall 😦

[ionic fern]

It's now a 2m sw

[tardy parcel]

Yeah it's amazing. I feel like I do giga damage now between BSC and quick Avatar via AM

[unreal scarab]

i was more talking about his name

[sweet summit]

i think thats just a mage thing tbh

[unreal scarab]

[blazing condor]

its nice seeing the dps on packs

with BSC

[wild hemlock]

ele shaman my main prot warrior my alt 🙂 LETS GOOOOOOOOO

[plush tendon]

im high on the ele shaman

I dont see enough of them, and its a damn shame

[wild hemlock]

i love the ele buffs so much. i have 222 geared one and our damage literally 180ed

[naive panther]

It’s bolster week though. Tend to be less than some other weeks. 4.7 in mists this week is my best.

[raven nebula]

Working on Heroic Denathrius... kept getting rage starved trying to keep Ignore Pain up a lot. Swapped from Devestator to War Machine for a touch more rage and it’s making a huge difference. Anyone else try this? Is this baseline and I just missed it?

[small marsh]

Gross

[jagged pier]

that makes zero sense devastator gives you more rage

[small marsh]

Especially if you're running the wall

SS reset = more rage

[grave crane]

I’m on heroic Danny and don’t really feel rage starved honestly but more focusing on the fight right now and keeping SB up over IP so that may be an issue

[modern brook]

you shoulda been doing 4k~ before buffs + reprisal tbh

[small marsh]

NW with good spear lust and pride usage is wild

Killing tyrannical Amarth in like 50s is very fun

[modern brook]

Hoenstly i believe war machine gives more rage in a denathrius wipe

I just also think its all over capped in first phase

[jagged pier]

no it literally cant

its 1 rage a melee

[raven nebula]

As I understand it, Dev gives more rage as long as SS is reset... but if it’s not... then you don’t get the extra rage?

[jagged pier]

comapared to liek 15 rage exery 3 melees

[modern brook]

the 10 rage for killing doesnt require a killing blow

at least in the same way victory rush does

[sweet summit]

you dont even need to touch the mobs to get WM rage

[jagged pier]

eh? VR requires the killing blow

[modern brook]

All I'm saying is, if you're wiping on denathrius and you swap to warmachine, and you check logs and you see you have more rage gen than when you were running Devestator

That isnt surprising to me

[jagged pier]

otherwise is would use it all the time in dungens

[modern brook]

Its not useful rage

[modern brook]

Right but VR requires you to be the one to reduce the guy to 0; the rage gen from war machine doesnt

[jagged pier]

right okay

[modern brook]

Which means the like 10~ adds you spawn in phase 1 4 times is 100~ rage each spawn

[jagged pier]

on sire where rage matters i.e phase 2 and 3 there are like 4 adds

[modern brook]

so if you're wiping

[jagged pier]

or zero adds

[modern brook]

When like ~40% ish of the fight is phase 1

[jagged pier]

so u get 40 extra rage

[modern brook]

You will see more rage gen

[jagged pier]

compared to ss resets

[jagged pier]

in know what u said i still dis agree

[blazing condor]

🍿

[sweet summit]

what

[jagged pier]

unless it procs off all the adds in phase

1

[modern brook]

IT does

[sweet summit]

it does

[modern brook]

thats my whole point lol

Its not useful

its not good

Its not smart

But it would look like more in your log

[blazing condor]

[raven nebula]

Well... not wiping in P1... that’s the easy phase...

[jagged pier]

right so that completely irrelvent to the point he was talking about he talking about later one where u just will not get more rage

like its impossible for WM to smooth out rage compared to SS it gives u less

[modern brook]

🤷‍♂️

[main wasp]

Question: for M+/Raid, assuming I'm keeping up SB optimally, should I focus on keeping up Ignore Pain, or would rage be better served using it on Revenge?

[modern brook]

Are u still dying?

[sweet summit]

yes

[modern brook]

Ignore the pain of not pressing revenge then 😦

[sweet summit]

im trying

[main wasp]

i wouldn't say i'm dying, but not using IP obviously puts more pressure on the healer

[modern brook]

thats fake news

[main wasp]

i'm just trying to find a balance of using IP vs Revenge

[modern brook]

If your healer ever says "I'm oom cause you're not IPing enough" they're actually a baboon

IP should be used to reduce damage taken from sources you cant block and as a means to dump rage when you cant finda global for Revenge*

if you're taking damage from non-blockable damage, your IP should be up. If the only source of damage is auto attacks 9/10 block+ shout will be enough

[raven nebula]

Be that as it may... when I ran WM I was hardly rage starved which led to more uptime on IP. Before when I ran Dev, I felt like I struggled to hang on to enough rage. Why would this be the case?

[robust beacon]

in details,says i keep it up 50% of the time

then again, i dont tank high keys

[modern brook]

nagative affirmation bias would be my guess

That or poor usage of Shield Slam procs

Jakey's 1000% right here

Devestator is more rage

full stop

[jagged pier]

do u have logs?

[modern brook]

only fight in CN its probably not true is Sunking and possibly M SLG, I havent ran that yet

[raven nebula]

And that’s the case for Sunking because of all the adds that are dying regularly?

[modern brook]

I dont remember the math but thats the hypothesis yeah

IDK if its even true there tbh

[sweet summit]

ya

but

even there

WM still has the same problem

[modern brook]

TBH row 15 is a wash

Punish isnt enough WM requires way too specific a fight

[sweet summit]

on giving u a full rage bar and then leaving you dry until next set of adds spawn

[modern brook]

Devestator removes our worst button, gives more SS resets, more AA damage

[sweet summit]

i guess it could be good for mythic council/slg actually

[raven nebula]

Ok. I’ll keep messing with it. Thx.

[modern brook]

Jakey also mentioned it, but if you have logs it'll be easier to tell you where you're messing up - if at all

[jagged pier]

my presumption atm is as youve said u are spamming IP to keep it up number one u dont need to do that, as your spamming it your probs missing SS procs and wasting a tune of rage when yu dont need it and swapping to WM means u are now spamming devastate instead of IP all the time so your rage is actually being kept around for a bit so it feels like u have more rage when your just not wasting it really

my presumtion

could be wrong

[mellow gorge]

lads is it worth getting a rank 2 reprisal to test it out? or just wait 2 or 3 more weeks for rank 4

[jagged pier]

rank1

is better

than everything else

[mellow gorge]

hmm