Oh, the caster pack
#protection
uneven mason
remote dawn
2 pack DOS, Good kicks, and reflect and dont shy do use SW and its ez
small marsh
That second pack is hell definitely hit SW for it
torn garden
My problem is just the mage combusting on pull lol
blazing condor
Save ur aoe taunt for that pack then
uneven mason
My problem is just the mage combusting on pull lol
that is literally on them
blazing condor
I go in with ravager , revenge/tc, spell reflect and its fine
Shockwave / kyrian spear
small marsh
Does aoe taunt also give us triple threat gen for the duration of the taunt like st taunt does?
uneven mason
it does
torn garden
Til
chilly brook
@alpine loom necrolord isn't going to make you more tanky
It's an overhyped covenant
torn garden
Covenant doesn’t seem to matter that much for prot
small marsh
Kyrian is bae
uneven mason
Covenant doesn’t seem to matter that much for prot
each has their plus and minus
torn garden
Agreed. It’s just not extreme in any direction
small marsh
You'll pry my phials and owl buddy from my cold dead hands
alpine loom
<@408937450854023189> necrolord isn't going to make you more tanky
thx for comment
small marsh
But agreed that they're all MUCH closer together than they used to be
timid zealot
make sure you're running crackling thunder
torn garden
make sure you're running crackling thunder
I am
uneven mason
make sure you're running crackling thunder
TC won't be enough to keep it off of a HNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG Mage on full boar
small marsh
Bounding Stride is life
chilly brook
make sure you're running crackling thunder
Crackling thunder does nothing lmao
timid zealot
makes hitting everyone in a spread out pack a lot easier
uneven mason
yeah bounding stride will save you on that caster pack..
small marsh
It won't but it's still amazing
uneven mason
makes hitting everyone in a spread out pack a lot easier
I mean, if hitting them with TC could hold aggro sure.
chilly brook
A piss poor radius increase on an ability that doesnt have an issue hitting everything anyways and isn't even your main aggro tool
small marsh
Cutting a good mitigation cooldown from 45s to 30s is fucking great
And it makes it stronger
chilly brook
Seriously crackling thunder is a meme
uneven mason
It won't but it's still amazing
LoS with the stairs, you live!
small marsh
Eeeyyy good point
timid zealot
nah
small marsh
Does LoS still calculate off the bottom of your feet to the bottom of their feet?
amber herald
gotta go fast
small marsh
My science is weak in retail, I'm mostly a classic lad
And that's how it do in classic
uneven mason
Does LoS still calculate off the bottom of your feet to the bottom of their feet...
no considers your whole model, so you can't peak over the lip and nail em with heroic throw while LOSing
small marsh
Oh cool
chilly brook
no considers your whole model, so you can't peak over the lip and nail em with h...
Hence why playing vulpera is bad amirite
Lining your healer on stairs
small marsh
That's really nice, the foot to foot calc is shit
chilly brook
small marsh
It's so fucking stupid to get LoSed from your healer by a pebble
vagrant cape
which necrolord soulbind is the go-to for m+?
vagrant cape
oh, so none of them offer any noticeable difference for survivability?
chilly brook
You run soulbinds for survival?
vagrant cape
I did as a guardian druid, sort of.
chilly brook
👀
vagrant cape
well, actually, no. we run korayn for big deeps
I'm just leveling and getting renown, so I only have marileth for now, but I was just curious if there was a major frontrunner for survival and dps
like korayn for guardian druid
vagrant cape
I like simping
also if I play necro for prot warrior, I'll have 4 tank characters, one for each covenant
and I'm too attached to that idea to quit now
vagrant cape
maybe when prideful ends, I'll give up convoke
chilly brook
Kyrian master simp bear
vagrant cape
my fourth tank is a dk
prot pally and brm are level 30ish
I don't enjoy them
I'm pretty committed to necrolord for prot, I've thought about it a lot and I know it's slightly suboptimal, but I'm liking it so far
I run with a fire mage and an afflock and they frickin love me
chilly brook
BrM is actually pretty cool this xpac tbh
vagrant cape
yeah, if I have time to get a 4th alt up, I'd make it brm XD
twilit jay
i found it pretty boring now that shuffle is a thing. its like it lost a button and im not sure what to do with myself
chilly brook
i found it pretty boring now that shuffle is a thing. its like it lost a butto...
Sure but you gained Celestial brew and two actual damage CDs and stagger isn't as stronk and a lot of your defensive play has shifted to using Celestial Brew well
Seems like a net gain to me
Losing a maintenance button isn't really something to lament
twilit jay
yeah, i never played to to a high enough level where id get the really big brews.
vagrant cape
I haven't played brew since legion, it seemed pretty neat, very active. It seems spamming ironskin brew was replaced by spamming purifying brew
(as far as I can tell)
twilit jay
its definitely my second favorite tank, i just really like how busy i feel on my warrior
urban tusk
as a mostly pugging prot warrior with m+ focus and clearing hc raid. woul you rather go kyrian or nf?
vagrant cape
you spam purify to get more celestial brews, right?
chilly brook
as a mostly pugging prot warrior with m+ focus and clearing hc raid. woul you ra...
NF for both for me
chilly brook
you spam purify to get more celestial brews, right?
The damage purified just buffs your next celestial brew, doing your rotation reduces the CD of brews
vagrant cape
ah, gotcha. I like how the prot warrior channel is so dead we're filling time by talking about brm XD
urban tusk
just wait till its meta in 9.1 :p
chilly brook
Eh usually as long as people aren't stifling conversation that's relevant to prot its not frowned upon
vagrant cape
one of my friends who is 9/10 m cn claims the same thing. They don't play tank, but I like to use them as a source
prot warriors scale very nicely as expacs go on, usually, but we don't know how impactful the secondary DRs are going to be, do we?
chilly brook
Scaling is a meme
urban tusk
well, I mean it is kinda obvious. prot is a scaling spec AND it got a nice buff. combined with supposedly further dh nerfs in 9.1 prot is a strong contender to be the next meta slave spec
chilly brook
K value literally is there to keep us from scaling
uneven mason
just wait till its meta in 9.1 :p
Yes, looking forward to the howling masses of flipperhanded monkeyfish arguing with us lifetime prot warriors about how things should be done.
twilit jay
i do wish we had our own cc like paralyze, relying on pugs sucks
urban tusk
ye xD
uneven mason
We're not a "scaling spec"
strong forum
Scaling is a meme
^
uneven mason
that meme needs to be shot
chilly brook
i do wish we had our own cc like paralyze, relying on pugs sucks
Just go panda and use quaking palm
Ez clap
vagrant cape
but as we get more haste, our shield block downtime decreases exponentially, does it not?
uneven mason
but as we get more haste, our shield block downtime decreases exponentially, doe...
haste is a linear value
chilly brook
Decreases yes
urban tusk
mhh, k. i don't know too much about it. prot is always my alt, and pala mostly my main. why is it not scaling?
chilly brook
Exponentially no
strong forum
We get the same benefit off of more stats as any other tank...
chilly brook
mhh, k. i don't know too much about it. prot is always my alt, and pala mostly m...
K value
marsh aurora
Reprisal should be crafted on feet instead of legs right ? and legs should be the ones from HoA ?
uneven mason
mhh, k. i don't know too much about it. prot is always my alt, and pala mostly m...
Because there is a value in the armor calculation which increases with each content tier
strong forum
There is no magical breakpoint where prot suddenly becomes way better due to more stats available
uneven mason
that makes it easier for NPCs to bypass our armor
mossy sluice
pretty sure the scaling thing is an old vanilla-wrath meme where rage generation wasn't normalized
chilly brook
Next tiers top ilvl shield won't be any better than the one I have now next season
uneven mason
pretty sure the scaling thing is an old vanilla-wrath meme where rage generation...
this too.
chilly brook
Other than the fact that the k value changes which makes my current one dog doodoo
uneven mason
btw rage gen was normalized in classic/wrath, but poorly so
vagrant cape
but the window of NOT having shield block is really the main point to look at here; If you got from 80% uptime to 85% uptime, you decrease your SB downtime by 25%. Going from 85% to 90% uptime lowers downtime by 33%. "Pseudo-exponential" decrease of shieldblock downtime
chilly brook
but the window of NOT having shield block is really the main point to look at he...
Irrelevant now with reprisal
uneven mason
but the window of NOT having shield block is really the main point to look at he...
we have effectively 100% uptime with reprisal anyway
vagrant cape
oh, neat
vagrant cape
what is, then? damage?
uneven mason
its the fact revenge doesn't have a 40 yard range
mossy sluice
Reprisal should be crafted on feet instead of legs right ? and legs should be th...
legs
vagrant cape
ah
amber herald
maybe if shield slam applied a debuff that did 5% more magic dmg 🤔
chilly brook
Lots of things if we're being realistic
uneven mason
being able to deal damage on untankable packs from range
vagrant cape
yeah, the prevalence of boomie/fire mage really cement vdh in there
chilly brook
One of the biggest though is the fact that the meta wants DH anyways because spell cleave
vagrant cape
is UDK uncapped?
mossy sluice
also fiery brand uptime is equiv to reprisal shield block uptime but does magic and phys 🙂
snow tusk
i'm starting to prog xymox today and was wondering if i should pick punish instead of devestator for him due to the massive tank bomb. or will ignore pain + spell reflect suffice?
marsh aurora
what about 9.1 meta? Wouldn't the kiting meta go away a bit ?
uneven mason
that too, VDH having an outlier for an insanely broken lego
vagrant cape
fiery brand uptime isn't 100%, though
mossy sluice
i'm starting to prog xymox today and was wondering if i should pick punish inste...
i just sr / ip
chilly brook
i'm starting to prog xymox today and was wondering if i should pick punish inste...
No
Spell reflect is up for every single one
Why would you need a measly dr from punish
mossy sluice
no other points to really use shield wall on either so its there and available
chilly brook
Yep
snow tusk
stone legion for more vers? [am at 7% without] otherwise i would pick gluttonous spike or 210 anima field
vagrant cape
How bad is it to use devastator on all content? I usually put devastate on a really accessible keybind (Q), but it's wasted if I use devastator. So I was thinking about reassigning Q to a another skill, but I don't want to get used to using Q for something else and then swapping it back to devastate for when I don't use that talent.
strong forum
stone legion for more vers? [am at 7% without] otherwise i would pick gluttonous...
Whatever Sims higher
light thicket
Devastator gives SS procs
strong forum
How bad is it to use devastator on all content? I usually put devastate on a rea...
You always play devastator
In every content
merry ocean
how do you sim tankiness?
sand condor
You dont
uneven mason
You don't
light thicket
You dont
merry ocean
understandable
light thicket
You sim dmg
vagrant cape
go on...
chilly brook
stone legion for more vers? [am at 7% without] otherwise i would pick gluttonous...
Long answer for a question that you didn't necessarily ask but is assumed in your premise: your actual %age values of secondary stats dont matter nearly as much as just having more stats and highest ilvl. We benefit from all stats fairly heavily so just pick the highest ilvl and you can then tinker around with adjusting different stats to what you find most preferable when you have multiple items at 226
light thicket
the one that slaps back
If you die, try putting your armor and shield on
uneven mason
If you die, try putting your armor and shield on
☝️
snow tusk
Long answer for a question that you didn't necessarily ask but is assumed in you...
great, thank you 🙂
flint roost
Question about reprisal: are the 4 seconds added to a sb for a total of 10 sec or does sb override and set it to 6?
uncut finch
Stacks
flint roost
Thats good ty
sand condor
I hated that
My friend made a weakaita that /rw “I overlapped shieldblock I’m a retard”
dapper coral
Someone was asking about M Xy'mox earlier, he doesn't really do a lot of tank damage. Most damage is AoE/Glyph.
amber siren
Who cares about SB it’s all about that revenge damage now 
sand condor
BSC is the best
dapper coral
As a Guardian, I was able to actually go cat form and use convoke easily
sand condor
Oh yeah I go boomie and convoke wheb im guardian
dapper coral
Like, when tanking I mean. Xy'mox does that little of damage through AAs to the tank.
urban tusk
I'm a NF prot now. Ancient Aftershock is a lot of fun 🙂
mossy sluice
whats your fursonas name
strong forum
Brodyne
mossy sluice
oof
urban tusk
exactly
strong forum
dapper coral
Is Revenge w/ BSC better on 2 targets than Execute?
normal sleet
on what piece should i make the reprisal legendary ? feet or legs ?
strong forum
Legs
lone hearth
mighty valley
It's not bad, what else have you got?
jagged pier
its not good either
uneven mason
I mean, when it gives you the stat buff its amazing
its just that it will trick you and not do this most of the time
distant crystal
dmg proc trinkets are typically better for dps
and shield trinkets are typically better for def
but i guess a fatty haste button or pinch self-heal isn't awful on a 3min cd
uneven mason
sometimes it gives me a massive vers buff on pull
and I'm like Thor coming down at the end of Infinity War
spinning axes and lightning murdering everything in sight
amber herald
think there's a WA that tracks what buff it gives you
uneven mason
there is
solemn magnet
I should give my IQD a try. I have a 210 pre-patch one, but I know I'll hate it or Press it at the wrong time. I keep swapping between using a 197 hymnal and a 200 gluttonous cuz I can't tell which I like more.
My trinkets are hot garbage
last yew
anyone have a good intervene macro that intervenes your focus target?
sweet summit
/cast [@focus] Intervene
last yew
/cast [@focus] Intervene
too easy. thank you
spiral perch
hey guys, quick question, reprisal > thunderlord?
solemn magnet
Oh yeah
hardy radish
yes and it's not even close
obtuse prism
and I'm like Thor coming down at the end of Infinity War
this is all I want to be
spiral perch
is mastery good for war prot?
or vers?
i know i have to consider ilvl > haste > vers
but what about mastery?
ima little curious
mighty valley
It's fine, all our stats are pretty close
dapper coral
mastery is more or less purely defensive. However, ilvl will win pretty much all the time. I wouldn't sweat too much about secondaries unless you have a plethora to chose from
uneven mason
mastery is more or less purely defensive. However, ilvl will win pretty much al...
mastery buffs our AP at 1:1
rather 1 point of mastery is 1% attack power
not super for dmg, but not totally defensive either.
dapper coral
hence more or less. It's the weakest offensive stat
spiral perch
oh wow didn't now pika has a yt channel
patent osprey
😮
deep steppe
Plka is rank 1 prot war, hes got content for everything you could ask for i'm pretty sure 🥰
patent osprey
Except a guide vid T_T
patent osprey
I record tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
deep steppe
spiral perch
wait
patent osprey
no raid, no stream, free times 😄
spiral perch
are u necro now?
patent osprey
yea im trying it out
spiral perch
really worth?
haughty sleet
necro made me sad
patent osprey
mmmm dont think necro is really worth
spiral perch
thank god
haughty sleet
it made my war feel like cheeks
patent osprey
TBH, i think kyrian will be the play, JUST so you can have a kyrian in the group
not because kyrian is bis to play
vagrant cape
as someone who's only played necro in m0s, it's solid 👍
patent osprey
NF is the most fun to play
haughty sleet
im nf now, but just feels like kyrian is the most optimal
esp since we are working on msludge
patent osprey
mmm sure, for raid I can see kyrian being biss
lavish oracle
Yeah, if literally every DPS class wasn't going Fae, I'd consider switching to it
patent osprey
for m+, just from optimal play perspective, NF is bis but you get no covenant diversity since everyone is NF
spiral perch
yeah, i'm thinking kyrian too because i like the pot and like to have a chicken like a partner
solemn magnet
NL was not super great. But maybe it was just a tornados thing.
haughty sleet
i really like nf in m+, its my fav for sure
deep steppe
Hearing Plka say Kyrian is prolly the play makes me so relieved i never switched
haughty sleet
i wish burrs was more consistent
patent osprey
NF is def so fun and good. If you can cover the covenant diversity then for sure play NF
vagrant cape
do NF prot warriors not go Korayn?
uneven mason
until we realized none of us were NF for the skip
patent osprey
I go Korayn when i play NF
uneven mason
it had never happened before
patent osprey
big dam 😉
uneven mason
Korayn does have nice oomph on engage
spiral perch
yeah korayn is big damage
vagrant cape
korayn is so frickin strong compared to all of the necro soulbinds. IT's silly how weak the necro binds are
at least how weak they feel
solemn magnet
I'll take the crit
vagrant cape
oh, from the banner conduit?
uneven mason
banner/emnem
lavish oracle
Oh speaking of which, does anyone know if the necro dps spreadsheet is with the conduit + emeni main stat?
spiral perch
so pika, u pick nf because with korayn does a lot of damage
uneven mason
mild ruin
@vagrant cape what does the Korayn tree offer? am necro atm
uneven mason
hmmmmm thought it was on there.
vagrant cape
25% crit chance for 5 seconds after you hit something that hasn't hit you
the necro one gives some haste for 5 seocnds after killing something
lavish oracle
Nah, doesn't say, unless the profiles are listed somewhere I'm not seeing
vagrant cape
I'd much rather have 25% crit during a fight instead of a smidge of haste after things die
spiral perch
i think kyrian is good too when u do m+ like NW, specially NW
patent osprey
@spiral perch I like NF because Ancient Aftershock bascially acts like a Boomy's beam interrupt for 12 seconds. If the cast is over 2.5 seconds, the mobs wont get a cast off for 12 seconds
And the dam is big
uneven mason
Oh those damage profiles are just the banner gain for those specs
nothign to do with OUR damage gain.
patent osprey
also kiting with soulshape is bae
uneven mason
only 2%
spiral perch
also kiting with soulshape is bae
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thaaaaaaaaaaaaaat thinggg
uneven mason
so not big enough to be a crucial variance
vagrant cape
do y'all prefer the soulshape movement based on where you're looking or the direction you're moving?
solemn magnet
Direction moving for me
strong forum
I've never played a class with blink mechanics so idk
solemn magnet
If it's where you're looking you're not going to see the pack anymore. At least with direction facing you can strafe and blink
vagrant cape
yeah, I like the direction based since I don't have to turn my back to the mobs
spiral perch
so with heroic leap, intervene and soulshape, that war will look like a dh but with shield
vagrant cape
but the downside is that slight knockbacks will ruin me if I want to go in a direction that ISN'T the way I'm being knocked back
uneven mason
so with heroic leap, intervene and soulshape, that war will look like a dh but w...
except none of those have a 8s cooldown
sullen quartz
Grab de bg legendary leap and yo Ute better than dh, you lose dmg tho
vagrant cape
if the vdh is taking the good talent on that row, leap is 20s, iirc
spiral perch
except none of those have a 8s cooldown
ah yeah, 45s, 30s and 2 min of cds
inland raft
when they gonna address invis pot issues?
uneven mason
Grab de bg legendary leap and yo Ute better than dh, you lose dmg tho
big nerf on leaper
spiral perch
when they gonna address invis pot issues?
dude, is that thing bug? i used on halls and a add saw me
i was like
wtf
vagrant cape
when they gonna address invis pot issues?
pulls out crystal ball
I'll give it my best shot.
cracks knuckles
sullen quartz
big nerf on leaper
They are nerffing it or already been nerffed
inland raft
almost any status effect change breaks it, so phial refreshing its status, speed boost applying or falling off, etc just breaks you out of stealth @spiral perch
dark lark
+ korayn crit = Kreygasm
uneven mason
They are nerffing it or already been nerffed
Barbarian (PvP talent) no longer resets the cooldown of all Heroic Leap charges when used with Leaper (Legendary Effect)
Been nerfed, only applied to fury
really a nerf on Barbarian
not on leaper itself
vagrant cape
man, y'all are making me really wanan swap to NF, but I already have a NF guardian druid. Hmmm...
uneven mason
sadly NF is boring
vagrant cape
I might swap off necro purely because of the soulbinds. I feel like all three have at least one "good" node that it completely trash
spiral perch
man, y'all are making me really wanan swap to NF, but I already have a NF guardi...
haha i have 3 nf, 1 lock, 1 druid resto and now ... probably 1 war prot nf haha
inland raft
i feel like best way to get invis fixed would be to make a wowhead article that somehow makes it sound beneficial to players in some way, fixed in 10 mins ez
vagrant cape
🧠
uneven mason
ping Llarold on it, he can overhype anything as a buff
uneven mason
"Warriors are getting a functioning legendary that is still weaker than what other tanks have HOLY CRAP"! 🖕 ➡️ 🔪 🍞
uneven mason
legs
spiral perch
okay, thx guys have a good day
dark lark
Eh, I'm liking Reprisal a lot
merry ocean
ping Llarold on it, he can overhype anything as a buff
Isn't he like a monk main?
uneven mason
to be 100% effective
dark lark
Sorry just seemed like you were down on it lol
uneven mason
Isn't he like a monk main?
He's a tank writer for wowhead, they literally couldn't be bothered to find someone who mains prot.
uneven mason
Sorry just seemed like you were down on it lol
Nah, I was making fun of how insanely overhyped Llarolds comment on wowhead was
gaunt crane
i'm still quite liking the double shield wall, am I weird?
uneven mason
he was like ITS GOING TO CHANGE THE META ✊
dark lark
"Necrolord is the best group-oriented choice for Protection Warriors in raids. It is contingent upon having a good, organized group to perform competitively. Under the ideal circumstances, with skilled DPS players who you can overlap your Conqueror's Banner with their major offensive cooldowns, it’s the best overall choice. " doesn't seem that overhyped, just says it's the best
uneven mason
To be as hyped as he made it and to upset the meta we'd need it to cast shield wall on intervene/charge and when SW fades provide us with a free ignore pain for every target we were in combat with"
uneven mason
"Necrolord is the best group-oriented choice for Protection Warriors in raids. I...
Literally was talking about reprisal
dark lark
lul sorry
chilly brook
"Warriors are getting a functioning legendary that is still weaker than what oth...
Big facts
Dumbest thing
uneven mason
Llarod's post is concrete the reason it got nerfed from 6s to 4s
cunning parcel
Do we still need revenge with Reprisal?
dark lark
@cunning parcel do you mean Best Served Cold
dark lark
In keys
uneven mason
yes ravager is still the play
dark lark
Raid is ITF
dark lark
Sometimes I forget to switch out of ITF after raid and I just roll with it lol
cunning parcel
this is for keys, I prefer wall in raids
uneven mason
reprisal in raid is growing on me
feels good on Sire and SLG
was fiddling with it on shriek
dark lark
Shriek it's easy to do
chilly brook
Llarod's post is concrete the reason it got nerfed from 6s to 4s
It was really dumb too lmao
dark lark
Same with Hungering
uneven mason
intervene after a swap
dark lark
Huntsman can be weird at times if your off tank is dropping shades off somewhere
chilly brook
Like cool you buffed what we were already good at but leave us vulnerable where we already sucked
Totally needed a nerf
uneven mason
Huntsman can be weird at times if your off tank is dropping shades off somewhere
literally what melee DPS are for.
dark lark
True
uneven mason
I trigger it on bleed soaks
and then I'll intervene - charge for rip soul
using Safeguard
13% more DR for my co tank
the Rip soul won't hit you since its magic
mild ruin
Tried tanking with reprisal today, it was ... interesting
some fights i feel like i cant really game it
uneven mason
but the rip soul timing is tighht
gotta intervene, then they have 3 seconds to move
so I kinda move a bit to the other direction
so hunts isn't close to the soul
uneven mason
Like cool you buffed what we were already good at but leave us vulnerable where ...
Legit best legendary would be "Increases IP absorb by 80% and per cast amount by 50%, cap is now 300% max health"
haughty sleet
snooze
uneven mason
Legion IP
haughty sleet
i thought legion ip was even better
wasnt it based on the amount of rage you spent as well
haughty sleet
yeah it was insane
uneven mason
thats what increasing its absorb by 80% would do
(50*1.8)
it stacked 3x instead of just 2x as well
remote dawn
why does the wa Block tracker no show me the reprisal block?
remote dawn
nope >.< no plan why
sweet summit
its exactly the same spell ID: 132404
cinder pasture
Huh that's weird, mine shows it aswell
soft prairie
for blasting 14-15s, Bloodspattered + which other? Anima 226, Stone legion 220, Hymnal 194, Gluttonus 226
sweet summit
sim it tbh
dry apex
how good is the slimy consumptive organ at ilvl 213 ?
sweet summit
kinda terrible
dry apex
cool de spec it goes
strong forum
how good is the slimy consumptive organ at ilvl 213 ?
one of the worst trinkets in the game
sweet summit
remote dawn
ah it show it only on fight ^^ ty guys
sweet summit
if you want it to show outside of combat as well you can go here and have it look like that
remote dawn
yep i have it tx ❤️
chilly brook
Legit best legendary would be "Increases IP absorb by 80% and per cast amount by...
Basically lol
If we had Legion IP
📈
Tbh
This xpac makes me wish we were Legion prot again
uneven mason
Every expansion makes me wish we were Antorus prot
4x20 2x21 was best borrowed power
Like a machinegun firing shields
sterile moss
just wait for Legion Classic
uneven mason
But I want Legion IP in this content
also Legion classic in 2028
at their current rate
raven kernel
too early
uneven mason
TBH wow has a ton more content per Xpac than EQ did
so they can't do like quick release TLPs like Holly did there.
EQ is basically 1 tier per Xpac for the first 7 or 8
RIP quick time table WoW progression servers
chilly brook
But I want Legion IP in this content
Exactly why I kinda want Legion prot
Because of the current content
sterile moss
queen blaze
can anyone recommend certain conduits for raiding for a pprot warr
uneven mason
Because of the current content
Antorus but with stackable Inspiring Presence
Double prot meta
"Healers LOL"
patent osprey
@queen blaze
Endurance:
Stalwart Guardian > Unnerving Focus > Fuel by violence = Brutal Vitality
Finesse (raiding):
Inspiring Presence > Safeguard = Disturb the Peace
Potency:
Cov ability one (unless your Venthyr) > Show of Force
uneven mason
TBH the venthyr one is still better than Show of Force
uneven mason
IDK 1.9% buff to the absorb on condemn is still > buffing thundercrap
sweet summit
nah
patent osprey
I mean its close but TC helps with aoe threat
sweet summit
i disagree
patent osprey
so...
sweet summit
yar
patent osprey
i give the edge to show of force
near gazelle
Anyone has that amazing WA for tracking 2 closest targets, for banner usage? Saw it a couple days ago but cant find it.
patent osprey
https://wago.io/ConquerorsBanner (Credit @strong forum )
near gazelle
its the same time as asking here 🙂 Thanks Plka
blazing condor
Do the small anklebiters in HoA have truesight or is it something my mind made up?
tender carbon
Mawrat harness wouldn’t work for me either in toghast
Got dismounted every ~3-4s
Apparently some kind of fleshcraft bug 🤷♂️
remote hawk
So do anyone know of they fixed the last pull before the gauntlet in SD ? I have not been able to just pull 2 out of the 3 mobs standing there. Or am I just superbad ?
blazing condor
Yeah invis are defo fucked. Guess ive just played too much HoA lately. Some pug said they could pull thru the invis
blazing condor
So do anyone know of they fixed the last pull before the gauntlet in SD ? I have...
Usually all you need to do is taunt any of the mobs on the edges and it should work. If that doesnt work its probably fixed
remote hawk
Failed like 3 times 2 days back. Tried both taunt and heroic throw
chilly brook
Harrowing is pretty bad
patent osprey
@blazing condor most people fail the invis skip because they still have the gargoyle MC'd and when the duration ends, it puts you in combat for a split second breaking the invis pot
@remote hawk they fixed it I believe
blazing condor
<@!186864948343865344> most people fail the invis skip because they still have t...
Neat i didnt know. Thanks as always xox
uneven mason
So do anyone know of they fixed the last pull before the gauntlet in SD ? I have...
They did, I haven't been able to get just 2 no matter how I Pull it, including with mindsooth
they seem to be for sure linked now
red swallow
i feel so bad for the healer i just had
patent osprey
They sure seem to be shrouded past or invis past now 😉
uneven mason
that room is going to be horrible on fort weeks
raven kernel
permaskip
uneven mason
probably
upper parcel
hey guys, reprisal crafting slot pref? legs?
uneven mason
going to have to pull extra on the outer ring then
totally funks my favorite path up!
red swallow
did a 10 HoA, fucked up the route as bad as i could and only had like 60% uptime on sb.. healer says "you are super easy to heal and clean run".. what kind of monstrosity routes does that person have to heal? 🐒
uneven mason
also they'll have to fix invis pots!
red swallow
hey guys, reprisal crafting slot pref? legs?
yes
raven kernel
wowhead's latest article is about the invis pots
uneven mason
did a 10 HoA, fucked up the route as bad as i could and only had like 60% uptime...
As someone who dabbles in healing on a resto shaman, the type of mouthbreathing VDH who try and facetank mongo pulls tends to numb healers to a "mediocrity prot"
red swallow
ye the healer had 2.4k hps overall so i guess it was fine
remote hawk
They did, I haven't been able to get just 2 no matter how I Pull it, including w...
Aight ty
uneven mason
"Oh, 3 packs without interrupts and you didn't use devastation, yes, for sure my fault that you got shredded like rice paper hit by a grenade"
patent osprey
hey guys, reprisal crafting slot pref? legs?
If you mythic raid and have access to Mythic SLG loot, then you should make it on Boots since you can get 233 legs off of SLG. If not, then you should make it on legs. This is because, even if you boots are worse than your legs, you may eventually get better boots and pants give you the most stats from the legendary in that slot.
grizzled nova
They did, I haven't been able to get just 2 no matter how I Pull it, including w...
There's a lot of things leashed together that weren't before 9.0.5
upper parcel
thanks plka, love your content 😄
grizzled nova
Finding them on the fly has been a hoot.
uneven mason
Mistblade + Stoneguard is my least favorite combo in any dungeon
"Oh I Need to place that red slap of one shot in a consistent direction, but wing boy just decided that we're going to have shit pillars popping out of the ground, and my camera is stuck somewhere 👉 ☝️ 🐎
that hall
uneven mason
ALthough the worst spot for camera angles is probably Devos platform.
"Oh those frilly things are collision points for my camera, this is fun"
grizzled nova
sd and soa have unforgivable pepega camera angles
If their explanation was anything other than "lol we didn't bother to check if they were shit sorry" I wouldn't believe them and would be more upset.
uneven mason
at least none of the CN Boss fights have idiotic camera angle shenanigans, unless you're attempting to leap behind a pillar in Sludgefists room
Not quite as bad as Varimathras' room in Antorus
but close
chilly brook
Mistblade + Stoneguard is my least favorite combo in any dungeon
Tanks reeeaaaallly piss me off with mist blades
Running all over the place and shit
Like bruh
Stand in the same place the whole time
And then move away
Then back
All of the echoes will be in the same spot
patent osprey
^
remote hawk
All of the echoes will be in the same spot
But the dpser/healer was rude and need to be punished !!
kindred plinth
Crafting a legendary: reprisal still the go-to even post-nerf?
And if I have 220 legs (off SLG) and 213 boots (heroic sludge fist) makes most sense to replace the boots, right?
raven kernel
craft legs and get a 220 boots with valor?
verbal pelican
Is trading 44 versa for 25 hast 19 mastery worth it? i mean either i get some somewhat good stat or half garbage and half good stats
chilly brook
Crafting a legendary: reprisal still the go-to even post-nerf?
And if I have 220...
Yes its still very good
uneven mason
Is trading 44 versa for 25 hast 19 mastery worth it? i mean either i get some so...
I mean are you gaining ilvl?
kindred plinth
Ty. It will take me a bit to get the valor going as my m+ isn’t up to par. Not sure where else I’ll get boots right now.
verbal pelican
I mean are you gaining ilvl?
nope, got slg normal shield and just got +13 mists one and saving valor for other stuff
uneven mason
uh, so like rule of thumb, gain ilvl
there's almost no variation to that rule
More stats > Less better stats
vagrant cape
what does one have to do in order to get the dungeon buff from plaguefall as necrolord?
grand drum
Fleshcraft on top of slimes when they are dead
uneven mason
orj ust have fleshcraft on and walk past their bodies
verbal pelican
uh, so like rule of thumb, gain ilvl
Yup, thats obvious. Thats why i asked, cause the difference is rather small
tender phoenix
has any1 tried Necro puggin to see if its worth?:
tender phoenix
ok guess my banner boi dream is properly dead
fast needle
whats the better weapon enchant?
uneven mason
whats the better weapon enchant?
the cheapest one
fast needle
what is this for an answer?
blazing condor
Celestial guidance or whatever is called is usually the go-to
But idk how much impact it really has for us
fast needle
celestial is 5% str the other is pure dmg on 5 targets
chilly brook
Celestial is good in all aspects
All the rest are pretty specialized
I'd just default to Celestial
fast needle
ok ty
cinder nova
What's burr's PPM?
sweet summit
1.75
cinder nova
Is it a hard PPM or soft PPM.
crisp dragon
ok ty
I use Lightless force, it does 4% of my dmg ST, and I think that's more than 6%, since it isnt 100% uptime
uneven mason
you need to up your other ability use if LF is doing 4% of your ST dmg
crisp dragon
All my logs are 95+ so I doubt it
cinder nova
I was under the impression some abilities will never proc more than x times within a minute (hard) and others just have an approximate proc per minute where the average susses out to x (soft) and could get a lucky string.
Is this not a thing?
sweet summit
i dont think thats a thing
uneven mason
You're confusing PPM with ICD
sweet summit
most things are rppm (real procs per minute)
so if you dont have x procs in y time
the proc chance increases
prisma bear
does strength do anything defensively for prot other than the parry and increase ignore pain?
uneven mason
Some things have a cool down that does not allow them to proc again for X number of seconds
sweet summit
but youre not guaranteed z amount of procs in y time
crisp dragon
does strength do anything defensively for prot other than the parry and increase...
more damage = things die faster = u take less damage
blazing condor
sweet summit
str=armor too
uneven mason
does strength do anything defensively for prot other than the parry and increase...
100% of str is translated to armor
prisma bear
ahh ok tyvm
blazing condor
I run intellect gear so i can outwit my foes
prisma bear
i know its our best stat i was just wondering
uneven mason
I run intellect gear so i can outwit my foes
TFW you forgot to take your skilling up set off
blazing condor
uneven mason
gotta wear int so you gain more dodge skill
blazing condor
I stacked only intellect and now my character wont pug anymore
uneven mason
But at least your first aid is capped
pseudo stratus
Is the Thunderlord legendary still the go to for mythic ?
crisp dragon
🇳 🇴
pseudo stratus
alright ty, you craft it on the legs then
blazing condor
Unless you do mythic slg yeah
fast needle
i got it on the boots since it replaced thunderlord
uneven mason
even then, you can figure that the reprisal legs are future proofing, what if next tier doesn't have sexy legs
what if they're an anti-waxer
sour flare
Does Ravager as Prot procc Torment Kings?
cinder nova
No.
grave crane
Bladestorm does though, so if talented into it ravager should
cinder nova
No, that's not how it works.
The ring doesn't proc on Ravager, it procs on Bladestorm, Avatar, and Recklessness. The only reason Ravager procs it as Arms is because it replaces Bladestorm.
Prot doesn't have Bladestorm or Reck, just Avatar.
grave crane
interesting, learn something new every day
cinder nova
The problem I think is that the Anima Power of the same name in Torghast does proc on Ravager.
uneven mason
Prot ravager is a diff spell ID than arms
grave crane
does it proc on fury ravager as well? or does fury ravager replace BS too?
uneven mason
fury doesn't get ravager
cinder nova
^
uneven mason
Fury talents into bladestorm
cinder nova
It procs when you use Bladestorm as Fury, though, yes.
uneven mason
which uses the same ID as arms bladestorm
Apperntly not, but Fury's bladestorm is included in signet triggers
grave crane
maybe a bug then if fury and arms both have 2 triggers, maybe prot is also supposed to have 2?
mighty valley
fury bladestorm vs. signet bladestorm is weird, they're affected by haste very differently
when you're in lust, the random proc bladestorm lasts forever, then the actual button press is over in the blink of an eye
uneven mason
I Noticed that
midnight jetty
is there a way to see how much damage intervene mitigated?
either on logs or details
earnest zinc
Is this channel also appropriate for classic?
signal plover
We don't rly do classic in here
twilit jay
is burrs pretty much the go to for NF?
midnight jetty
me?
earnest zinc
Oh ok I was going to ask what you thought of this raiding TBC tank spec
signal plover
Head on over the the fine respectful gentleman at the Fight Club discord
Its linked in a pin in the #vanilla-discussion channel
tender carbon
sterile moss
is burrs pretty much the go to for NF?
definitely on single target. for m+ korayn might give more damage with first strike
not 100% sure
signal plover
But tbh pwarr stronk in tbc I played it all xpac #shrug
Idk how speedrunner bois change that meta up tho
Anyway
mighty egret
are you guys running ITF for raid if ur using reprisal?
blazing condor
I would probably do it yeah. Then again i have the wall in raids rn
sweet summit
ravager sims higher on ST for me 👀
mighty egret
is ravager more dam
torpid saffron
So, prot warr fellows.. do you use sharpening stone or oil for M+ ? I thought that sharpening stone is better for aoe while oil is good for ST.
sweet summit
is ravager more dam
sim it mate
sweet summit
So, prot warr fellows.. do you use sharpening stone or oil for M+ ? I thought th...
can sim this too
chilly brook
ravager sims higher on ST for me 👀
Probably because it means we get huge condemn windows lmao
torpid saffron
I was curious what is everyone else using
sweet summit
im using stones
torpid saffron
Thanks
deep steppe
I use the shadowcore oil 
bitter canopy
So with Reprisal being the new BiS, will double time be better to use in M+?
sweet summit
ya but storm bolt is still fucking amazing
torpid saffron
I don't know if Reprisal is BIS tho.. i kinda hate it cuz it forces me to change both my playstyle and talents from defensive to more offensive
sweet summit
its better defensively yeah
torpid saffron
And i wouldn't change storm bolt for double time either
sweet summit
as long as u can charge and intervene, and the attacks are blockable
bitter canopy
gotcha
sweet summit
which m+ has a lot of
torpid saffron
Giff prot warr baseline 2 charges of charge back like in BFA ffs
bitter canopy
would be nice
currently im using Wall and Thunderlord and im enjoying them both, just unsure of the play style of Reprisal
worn crest
I'm really enjoying Reprisal in M+. The biggest playstyle difference for me is remembering not to heroic leap into a group to engage.
My group has 2 melee, so intervene targets are readily accessible.
torpid saffron
currently im using Wall and Thunderlord and im enjoying them both, just unsure o...
I'm in the same boat, brother. I enjoy The Wall the most TBH, i can't enjoy Thunderlord as much, especially in Tyrannical weeks.
torpid saffron
I'm really enjoying Reprisal in M+. The biggest playstyle difference for me is r...
What talents do you run with Reprisal ? And also, what's your ilvl and what keys do you push ?
sweet summit
devastator-storm bolt-best served cold-bounding stride-indomitable-ravager-anger management
torpid saffron
devastator-storm bolt-best served cold-bounding stride-indomitable-ravager-anger...
tried bounding stride and i had problems keeping aggro
sturdy sable
tried bounding stride and i had problems keeping aggro
Over what?
torpid saffron
over Crackling Thunder
sturdy sable
Try revenging more often
torpid saffron
Guess i should do some lower keys to get used to the playstyle. I Just can't get it.. either i end up rage starved and intervene is on cd, or i blow up my def cd's poorly
sweet summit
CT doesnt affect aggro
sturdy sable
I assumed he was banking on the range increase
sweet summit
thunderclap is such a low about of your aoe and st damage
junior pebble
What can I do for iron spikes on 3rd boss of SD? Outside of major CDs I just get railed
grand drum
shield block
junior pebble
It still rails me
undone verge
it also increases the slow by 10%
sick sentinel
the joke in BFA was chad thunderclap because it did an insane amount of dmg to point where should clap if its off cd
torpid saffron
I assumed he was banking on the range increase
yeah, i guess the range helps a bit
grand drum
you should be using revenge and avatar more if you have trouble with aggro
sick sentinel
itwent from thunderclap to thundercrap with SL tho
worn crest
What talents do you run with Reprisal ? And also, what's your ilvl and what keys...
Im 209 and run 15s, and my talent spread is 1221231
floral pewter
What can I do for iron spikes on 3rd boss of SD? Outside of major CDs I just get...
save a charge of SB for it, maybe get a stack or two of IP up if you/the healer is really struggling
worn crest
I save Spear for one of those to get an extra IP during the channel
Helps a lot with spikes
sick sentinel
how come warmachine instead of devestator
mighty valley
use SW for a later one where the healer is prob catching up on everyone else, demo for the earlier one
junior pebble
Yeah I'm doing all that, guess it just hurts
worn crest
I don't like the feel of Devastator. I know it is numerically better, i just don't like it
I prefer to have more control over my rage gen
sick sentinel
no, thats fair, i just don't like the extra button to press
twilit jay
i presonally am a fan of heavy repercussions, not sure why i just like what it does lol
worn crest
I've been wanting to tinker with Never Surrender but haven't yet.
sick sentinel
i'm doin 3311231 for keys with reprisal and mostly haste gear, is this correct?
twilit jay
i was thinking earlier about indombitable with niyas haste move when you use healing abilities but i dont think they would count to proc the haste buff
sick sentinel
what i was always told coming into SL is that indomitable is best
worn crest
i'm doin 3311231 for keys with reprisal and mostly haste gear, is this correct?
I see that build a lot too. The extra Reprisal damage is a good tool to have.
I like the booming voice for extra up front rage, i always run with an rDruid so I try to avoid the quick spikes at the front of a pack with an IP at the start.
torpid saffron
i presonally am a fan of heavy repercussions, not sure why i just like what it d...
i must try reprisal with heavy repercussions tbh
twilit jay
@torpid saffron howd you like it?
torpid saffron
Personally i hate Reprisal.. but i'm not the best prot warr, i'm 1300 RIO with 215 ilvl
light thicket
What can I do for iron spikes on 3rd boss of SD? Outside of major CDs I just get...
Maybe try to time a demo shout for it? Shield block should be enough
torpid saffron
I enjoyed The Wall for the most time
twilit jay
AM with ravager instead of UF feels not as good lol
unreal scarab
jojo question. i always feel that my shieldblock is not enough. do you keep a shieldblock with pain sub on every major boss mechanic or do most of you guys just use one (or a big cd) i struggle a little bit to choose when to have SB and Pain up or use it for revenge etc.
worn crest
^ good tip
unreal scarab
ye i m so used from DH or DK to have an active mitigation like boneshield so i think i overuse SB and then don t have it always when needed
light thicket
Dont be stingy with cds
solemn magnet
got a new ring. still enchant haste?
potent crypt
dat haste is good i think
solemn magnet
i kinda want more vers
elfin nova
unreal scarab
ye you always have something VERY strong
prot feels a lot like you have to combine different mitigations. but could also be my gear right now
hardy pawn
Doesn't help that half the attacks are half physical half magic tbf
hardy pawn
If I'm already at 30% haste is it worth using the anima field emitter trinket?
I'd be placing the kael one but like that haste proc though
*replacing
blazing condor
Its a nice trinket
Id probably only swap it for the splinter if i really felt like it was needed
Which it doesnt really feel like
solemn magnet
i'm at 30 and i use amina field
twilit jay
anyone try ascended vigor on a weapon enchat?
mild ruin
I’ve been playing around in 12/13/14 M+ today on 200 ilvl prot, there are some mechanics I have to double up Active Mitigation to survive, but it just requires some planning, hateful strike on gorechop is almost always an ignored mechanic on a 13 Tyran week, no other tank has done that as consistently for me tbh
hardy pawn
Tbh the whole gorechop fight is a joke anyway
As long as people are all in melee of the boss it's piss easy and even if they aren't the adds still die fast enough through passive cleave
unreal scarab
i got trucked with DH on 18 keys on tyranical to be fair on gorechop if i didn t have brand and meta on
he hits hard. i m excited to see how prot will mitigate it.
mild ruin
I think warrior is quite heavily reliant on preplanning mechanics, more so than I’ve seen on other tanks
worn crest
Ravager does well on that fight, all the extra rage gen for IPs with the adds on the boss
Make the chop easier to manage
On the 16 I did, that is
mild ruin
Till I get my haste up I’m actually using heavy repercussions atm, it’s played really nicely
worn crest
Scaling is notably different on an 18, I can't speak to that level yet
unreal scarab
and i read it before there i also have the feeling that devastator seems a little ... not that fluent. i sometimes have nothing to press because everything is on CD and i don t have the rage. i bet it is to pure management of my rage but sometimes it feels like i can t generate rage with devastator when i need it
mild ruin
Mmm are you overusing abilities?
worn crest
That is the exact reason I don't like that talent
I might be overusing abilites as well, I just like the extra control of war machine on my rage gen
unreal scarab
propably using revenges when i shouldn t
sturdy sable
That is the exact reason I don't like that talent
Your missing out on a ton of DPS/rage from the free shield slam resets
worn crest
Its a 10% boost over the default 20% baked in
mild ruin
If it’s below a 10 I go Ham with revenges to troll dps, but if it’s above a 10 atm (I’m only low ilvl) I am pretty much only using revenges during procs, everything else is going on maintaining a shield block (through presses + reprisal) + making sure I can IP during any mechanic
sturdy sable
Yep
And you don't have to press it
Doesn't take a GCD
Happens when your casting other spells
worn crest
Yep, good points.
mild ruin
Low haste hurts also, I dropped 300 haste today and my god I felt it
worn crest
I just prefer the control i get with WM instead. If I get into harder keys I'll revisit it.
But for just doing 15s I can be a bit more flexible
sick sentinel
got good legs upgrade from wq incase i ever decide to not use reprisal
mild ruin
Of course, optimally I don’t think it’s the way to go, but optimally we wouldn’t be playing prot warrior :p
worn crest
That's the truth 🤣🤣
mild ruin
Optimally I wouldn’t be a necrolord, but then I wouldn’t have BiS transmog
It’s all choices 😉
worn crest
Is necro fun? I dont have dps who benefit from Mastery enough to swap, but it looks fun
unreal scarab
to be fair i think we will see some more prot warriors doing +25s now and i love it. i like the variety on top. and i think in reaaaally organized groups prot warrior now has the chance (with very good play) to be viable. not meta yet! but maybe 1 patch more and some little fine tuning and he will be as good as Leatherboy Threebuttontank
its super fun!. transmog insane. Fleshcraft. cool
Banner ?! dps love you
Hotel? Trivago
potent crypt
i playing 195 ilvl +11 +10 necro but i think i havent dps and some time agro problem ^^
banner is really fun
unreal scarab
just hit the 190 on my prot today :D. excited to see how my boy does on prides. Just couldn t play DH anymore
worn crest
Spell reflect comes in handy when you have PuGs who won't stand still during pride.
Reflect on the bolts prevents the stun
unreal scarab
the best thing you can get from pugs is a "nice intervene" when you catch something for them
gives me a gamerboner
😄
worn crest
Lifesaver with the fixates in NW sometimes
mild ruin
Is necro fun? I dont have dps who benefit from Mastery enough to swap, but it lo...
So I’ve been thoroughly enjoying necro, I played with a monk, boomy, firemage, priest today and got some huge benefit from banner. But it’s useless in some groups and very useless in raids. I keep getting pulled to kyrian for all sorts of reasons
worn crest
I'm kyrian and love the snap threat and rage gen, with the option to use it for kiting if needed.
unreal scarab
really? from what i ve heard you re ESCPECIALLY wanted in raids now for some nice boosts. i could imagine some WW monks sucking their tumbs after a bannerbuff
mild ruin
I did a cn hc pug today and people just don’t even recognise banner as a thing
The 26% strength tho, that shits amazing
potent crypt
boomies love banner with bl
unreal scarab
ye i think it s escpecially with necrolord = in an planned environement insanely good! in pugs a solide meh looks cool 😄
mild ruin
Yeh pretty much, as someone who pugs a lot I think I’ll be going kyrian in the near future
unreal scarab
spam more revenge and blame it on the healer if you die!
worn crest
🤣
unreal scarab
potent crypt
love dat 😛
mild ruin
But I’ve pushed from 50-60 800 rio 205 ilvl prot in 5 days as necro and fleshcraft has saved my ass on more than one occasion
unreal scarab
i also love it! 😄 it feels cool. prepull and also in a pull to overcome some gaps in your SB in my eyes
potent crypt
shield necro casting on bosses for safe your life
love it
is my first necro char
xD
i forget all times shield and dungeon buff
unreal scarab
ye same here. it was just muc hworse on my BLood DK or DH
but for prot i just feel the vibes!
mild ruin
Fleshcraft feels brilliant now and fast paced M+ runs you can get two - three times the amount of fleshcraft as pre buff
unreal scarab
i mean how ballser is that fucking armor!
empty spindle
Kyrian phail is handy
potent crypt
what build you running with reprisal
empty spindle
The ability to drop bleeds and necrotic stacks
mild ruin
I’m interested to see how at 220+ ilvl with like 1400-1500 strength and a 25% strength buff for a while how banner will feel :p
tender carbon
Yeah last stand before fleshcraft is mega value
unreal scarab
also i feel it not to be a super high damage tank but more of a tank! i might not push my 18-19 keys right now like on my DH but the fun is 10000% higher. i got so used to OP sigils and imprisson that i forgot how much fun group planning is
worn crest
Great tool for the leaping adds in ToP and the like, too
hardy pawn
I can't stand vengdh entirely because of the sigils
mild ruin
I wanna test a fully geared prot warrior using a str pot before using banner in a M+, I feel like 2.5k strength is doable, if so we’ll hit like monsters
hardy pawn
I'm glad i have kyrian spear so I have some of the benefits of sigils without the stupid fucking cast time
unreal scarab
ye had 7k dps in aoe pulls with 180GS in tirna. i really like him now. he feels strong but not overpowered
keep me updated mate!
mild ruin
Revenge is king
unreal scarab
avatar, revenge, swirlyweapon, stomp, more revenge, revenge, and some revenge
dont forget to shout to get more revenges!
potent crypt
thank i love this chat jesus
mild ruin
@unreal scarab you missed a revenge GCD
potent crypt
best severed cold work good?
empty spindle
What leggo is everyone using
torpid saffron
The Wall for me till i learn how to play with Reprisal
potent crypt
punish vs devastator without haste
torpid saffron
Devastator defo
unreal scarab
heck jeah. reprisal feels sooo t asty. instant revenge after charge to get the aggro from a combustionmage and then sprinkle in some intervenes and charges with awayhopping for more free revenges and SB
potent crypt
i fell like a turtle hiting
mild ruin
Learn to use devastator, the haste will come
unreal scarab
i also play two charges for even more Revenges! tastytasty
mild ruin
Yup double time for the real memes
potent crypt
you moving all time pulls?
unreal scarab
reprisal you have to play like speedy gonzales. if you don t rush to something after 5 seconds you re too dayum slow!
unreal scarab
heck jeah
mild ruin
I charge, intervene almost immediately in a pack
The last charge is if something is being an asshat with threat
unreal scarab
some pulls you don t even need a single SB because you re just running around 😄 also free revenges just tingle my spot!
potent crypt
ye i playing charg and intervene
unreal scarab
pair it up with a avatar and Anger management and dayum pump these damage numbers!.... up to 1/4th of a DH 😄
potent crypt
dh dmg is stupid xD
mild ruin
For me, you always want to keep atleast 1 charge of charge and intervene on cd in M+ to maximise reprisal
potent crypt
intervene i use when use 1 charge SB
mild ruin
My opener is the charge revenge SB intervene revenge SB atm
potent crypt
i need practice a loot
mild ruin
Next week I’ll be running shockwave talent tho because I wanna perma stun ghosts forever
potent crypt
bufff BV vs best several cold i like shout pulls xD
unreal scarab
Ye. Charge-> Avatar while charging -> revenge-> swirly weapon-> SB -> shout -> revenge and so on
mild ruin
I use BV in raids still tho
sterile moss
potent crypt
you use revenge with proc only? o spam?
unreal scarab
If you don’t need it for pain revenge it is
unreal scarab
If you need it for pain. You flame your healer and continue
potent crypt
love flame heals ❤️
unreal scarab
What do you mean I get too much damage?! You just need to heal more
I m not letting an affliction warlock win in an aoe fight!
dapper coral
Did a HoA+14 for a guildies GV earlier. HPriest was saying he needed to drink more than one time. Looked at logs, 68% overheal. big smh
floral pewter
pft, that's nothing
I did an SD +15 yesterday, and the paladin went oom twice
???
how do you even do that as a paladin?
mighty valley
what the fuck
my paladin bud has been trying desperately to run out of mana since the expansion begun
hasn't happened yet
patent osprey
don't hit shield block and your pally will oom real quick 😉
lethal mirage
I am getting a reprisal and I don't know which slot to get.
lethal mirage
Should I get boots or pants?
unreal scarab
Pants is more stats 🙂 so from that pants would be the way
unreal scarab
patent osprey
hello @unreal scarab
nimble sky
Or boots, if you get SLG pants
patent osprey
might as well never make it then;) maybe there's good pants for next 3 tiers
unborn hazel
NL is better then NF to M+?
strong forum
only if youre OMEGA coordinated and have 2 dps that heavily benefit off of mastery to play around to
otherwise no
grizzled nova
wear a jock while you play
red swallow
say u can do it dps players and smile
strong forum
what if I think support is fun
your opinion is wrong
grizzled nova
encourage dps to do more dps by doing more dps than the dps as the tank
positive reinforcement through negative feedback
unreal scarab
what if I just want to have fun <@192743144276623360>
Same. It is fun!
rich ember
on the spreadsheet, what is boomkin ord?
patent osprey
I thought all warriors from every walk of life were accepted here T_T @strong forum
rich ember
gotcha thx
shut summit
strong forum
hah but on logs im r1 🤔
potent crypt
what conduits run in M+?
potent crypt
Veteran's Repute Brutal Vitality nnerving Focus Inspiring Presence i run
Unnerving Focus *
Brutal Vitality vs Stalwart Guardian?
potent crypt
ill try now
twilit jay
do pvp weapons have better secondary stats or am i just crazy?
patent zealot
Crazy
twilit jay
this one is ilvl 158 38 haste, 55 vers... im currenlty using a 194 weapon 23 haste 36 vers
mossy sluice
are you looking at a 2 hander
patent zealot
Crazy indeed
spiral perch
Well, first day tanking as prot night fae and OMG does a lot of damage
dusky mica
are there any addons that show you scaled loot values?
ie what a 184 ring looks like at 220 etc
dreamy bay
Shield wall not resetting on wipe in raid feels bad btw 🙁
sturdy sable
Well, first day tanking as prot night fae and OMG does a lot of damage
This is the way
dusky mica
wowhead's item thing is stupid; can't even select scaled items correctly
sturdy sable
Shield wall not resetting on wipe in raid feels bad btw 🙁
Now you know how dps with 2min CDs feel
dusky mica
if you want 220 versions of gear add ?bonus=1534 to the url rather than use their dropdown pickers - stitchfleshs-misplaced-signet?bonus=1534 for example
earnest swan
Is seisimic reverb leggo ok in mythic+ setting?
shut summit
yes
arctic wasp
stalwart is also bugged
why is that ? , i noticed somethjing weird but i have no idea it was an issue D:
dusky mica
its just bugged they've done the math wrong
arctic wasp
fuck, since when ? will they fix it or is itgoing to be like this forever ? haha
dusky mica
I only tested it myself when this patch came out
so maybe it wasnt broken before 9.05 or no one knew
arctic wasp
at least my tooltip said 3.7 minutes before 9.05 (which is more than what it suppoes to be) but i'd always assume it was a tooltip typo xD
unborn hazel
which does the most damage, kyrian or night fae in m +?
dusky mica
yeah I didnt really trust the .7 minutes tooltip so I timed it
you get 20s less cdr than you should
arctic wasp
that's fucked up
cerulean tree
need an oppinion about tanking mythic sludge if anyone is free
dusky mica
so unless its been hotfixed, the conduit is worthless
arctic wasp
not sure is even worth it to take ??
dusky mica
a bit like the deep wounds one rofl
arctic wasp
i mean it suppose to be 30 secs less in 213, which is cool, but that down to 10 ?? sounds awful
ripe seal
need an oppinion about tanking mythic sludge if anyone is free
Sure, what are you curious about mate?
cerulean tree
Im progging it for a week now, but when i look at top logs all of them have very little ignore pain usage
lament shell
reprisal leggo on boots or pants ?
cerulean tree
i feel like im falling over a lot
so i kinda play very defensively when it comes to rage usage
earnest swan
but you probably want to lean into it with the BSC talent too
thanks, that was the response i needed. i've been trying to push keys and make sure i pull my weight
unborn hazel
kyrian or nf deals more damage in m+?
dusky mica
dying? just spec HR for a bit if it's holding your progress back
cerulean tree
but the top tanks have less casts of defensive abilities but they still have overall less dmg taken
lament shell
yep going for boots