mark her before she zooms off
#protection
astral crystal
craggy harness
i wonder if you can target macro her
(wondering for the lack of trying before)
just for the purposes of raid marking her
dark gate
Hey guys, gals, and Non-binary Pals! I'm making a tank alt and am debating between prot warrior and blood dk (want it to also be my necrolord toon). Would very much appreciate y'all's input. (My guild has given split input lol.)
sick sentinel
outer solstice
prot warrior reduces damage taken massively, has impressive mobility, carries a raid buff and a raid CD and is very good at dealing with BIG hits
BUT, playing prot is not really easy, you have to know the rights inside out
so that you don't waste your Shield Block on situations where the boss is only casting
@dark gate
but prot lacks self healing, which in raid is not that big of a deal
our EHRPS is on par with other tanks
we also struggle a lot with all kinds of dots
necrolord requires a lot of setup but can be very strong, check the pins on that topic
arctic wasp
i use to play bdk before the pwarr, and i have to say i only miss BDK in some scenarios where gripping is so convenient and in pugs where the healer is not quite good, but most of other scenarios, pwarr is more fun imo and is also stronger in terms of mitigation. One thing that i ahven't master yet but i've seen it and is very strong, is the use of magic reflects, take some times to understand what you can reflect and when, and if you play it perfectly it will be an insanely good tool
and as mention, in raids healing dependency is not an issue, only in m+
also BDK struggles a lot in lower gear, since you dont have the stats or the hp to actually take the dmg and be able to heal it back, you might have to play carefully at start, when warrior is a lot tougher and yes you'll need more healing ofc, but is not that bad as with the BDK, once you get overgeared, you can pretty much heal almost anything back if played poroperly as a bdk
outer solstice
as long as you don't get killed
but BDK has a cheat death
which helps with that
prot warrior lacks a cheat death, so any mistake your co-tank makes can lead to your demise...
arctic wasp
yes, and like with 220+ gear, unless you are playing tyranical +20 there is nothing that will one shot u
outer solstice
tyranical manstorm lady
arctic wasp
oh an din raid scenarios, you'll only get killed if oyu are not full health and that's on u pretty much, if a big dmg is coming you have to do something, that's like tank 101 xXD
outer solstice
big oof
arctic wasp
yes... xD
that shit hurts xD
pwarr does more burst dmg, and bdk does more sustain , both do little dmg compare to othrers and they are similar overall, but i like the bursty dmg of the warrior as it helps better with the aggro
dark gate
Thank-you both so much. 😄
lone rune
hej, so i have massive problems with rage regneration im sub 10% haste so i was wondering if its worth to skill war machine and into the fray, i dont want to push big just 15s maybe a 17
lone rune
im at 9,67 rn
outer solstice
itf is definitely a 100% take
lone rune
3 3 2 1 2 3 1
just started playing this alt and just adjusted to what other people play 😄
outer solstice
what legendary are you running?
lone rune
thunderlord
outer solstice
hmm
thunderlords always felt a bit underwhelming for me
wall always felt better, and now reprisal is obviouslly better in M+
lone rune
as i said just started playing this char and crafted it when it was expected to be good in m+
arctic wasp
devastator is way too good to pass, and also war machine is not that good with low haste, so i dont think it will solve your issue, ravager vs into the fray is debatable, although in a m+ scenario i think you'll get more rage from ravager 😛
outer solstice
yeah that was always a tad misleading early on, the wall was mostly superior, though thunderlords providing more damage
most of our rage gen comes from playing properly though
do you have any logs?
have you worked over the icy veins guide? and checked if you're hitting the right buttons?
shield slam should be your #1 priority
lone rune
no logs because i only use the warrior as backup for m+ because our tanks are just online for raids
lone rune
will do that
outer solstice
also you run AM, so make sure to actually use avatar when it's ready and you have something to fight ^^
proper crest
Hey guys, sorry if the question was already asked but does someone have a WA that simply tracks the necro banner CD so I can give it to my guildies ? Or do I need to make it by myself ? 😛
outer solstice
maybe ask over in #ui-addons-manager
proper crest
Oh, my bad, true
outer solstice
they probably know better
proper crest
Yup ! Sorry !
outer solstice
❤️
lone rune
also you run AM, so make sure to actually use avatar when it's ready and you hav...
had 35% uptime on it last dungeon
outer solstice
how do you know? found a log? 😛
lone rune
details
vagrant cape
I'm looking at the spell reflect cheat sheet from the resources channel, I just wanna make sure I'm getting the terminology right:
Reflectable: No damage to me, deals damage to caster
Deflectable: No damage to me, no damage to the caster
Magical: Neither reflectable nor deflectable, but SR reduces damage by 20%
Physical: No interaction with spell reflect unless specified in the notes.
Is that correct?
outer solstice
yep
BUT
some spells like blood price
only reflect a part of the damage
as they are multiple "ticks"
vagrant cape
Yeah, on hakkar? I saw that, seemed weird but makes sense
outer solstice
nah sire
vagrant cape
Oh, i see
outer solstice
the piercing barb is different
vagrant cape
Oh, piercing barb is the hybrid one I saw
outer solstice
it just has 2 parts
lone rune
well going to try some different talents tomorrow, and hopefully getting some decent rings soon.. thanks tho
outer solstice
one that is reflectable one that is blockable
outer solstice
well going to try some different talents tomorrow, and hopefully getting some de...
talents seem fine on a first look, you might wanna try bolster and be fast get get reprisal for M+
unique shale
Is there a list of things you can remove with Phial of Serenity ?
outer solstice
I think everything that has a category
so a dot that is categorized as bleed or magic works, an uncategorized dot not
indigo knot
So after yall have run with reprisal a bit, do you feel like the Reprisal AM build is better than the wall one? For keys specifically
mystic ridge
Yes
indigo knot
Ive heard conflicting opinions
signal plover
yeh
mystic ridge
More damage, better* tankiness
signal plover
lot more fun for me, which could just be novelty
solemn magnet
It's more dmg, better uptime on SB, not fun to play.
tender carbon
It's more dmg, better uptime on SB, not fun to play.
Compared to what, a riveting passive cool down reduction to an ability?
signal plover
^
solemn magnet
you're acting like theres a wrong answer here
tender carbon
No I’m not lol, you said not fun to play, I’m simply inquiring as to why in your world a passive cool down reduction to shield wall is fun
It’s almost like people discuss things
outer solstice
you get a lot more rage
which leads to less downtime
that's where the fun is
not in the CDR
the CDR is just strong
the rage is the fun
solemn magnet
"a riveting passive cool down reduction to an ability?" isn't good form for a discussion
you already have your opinion and just waiting to prove me wrong
signal plover
coward
outer solstice
Plka is streaming atm
you might ask him
it seems for pushing he still thinks abotu runnign wall
tender carbon
How can I prove your subjective definition of fun you hambone
solemn magnet
you can't. i wasn't trying to discuss with you what is considered fun
feral gale
you guys noticed shield wall is bugged now that they made it charges?
it doesn't reset with boss now in raid 😦
feral gale
what do you mean intentional? I don't have the charges legendary, it has to be a bug
chilly brook
Compared to what, a riveting passive cool down reduction to an ability?
I don't find constantly trying to leave melee range to charge back in fun
outer solstice
yeah but the spell itself has charges now, even if it's just one @feral gale
chilly brook
I would much rather play my "riveting passive cooldown reduction"
outer solstice
so do I
solemn magnet
I think it's more the fact I enjoyed playing Bolster more than AM, and that effects my leggo choice
chilly brook
Because believe it or not I do in fact find a shield slam interaction interesting
outer solstice
well I play Wall + AM shrug
feral gale
well that's just horrible @outer solstice , it really screwed with sludgey prog this morning
chilly brook
Honestly here's the problem I see with Reprisal
feral gale
wut someone likes playing bolster over AM? blasphemy. unless we talkin raid
chilly brook
Blockable damage isn't the main form of damage intake that's actually a problem for us
tender carbon
I don't find constantly trying to leave melee range to charge back in fun
Fair, however I rarely find myself in a triple ranged group with a non hpal
chilly brook
Still not a fan of intervening someone for shield block
I dont like using mobility for a buff
feral gale
re: reprisal, with mouseovers for intervene you can easily get that extra block/rage booster without moving if you position your ranged friends correctly, even on a prideful
chilly brook
Same reason I think momentum is dumb
tender carbon
Yeah id say at a certain level it’s still pretty unusual not to kite in some fashion so you kinda just like get the charge naturally
feral gale
in keystone levels where this matters at all you should have enough haste that you're getting decent refreshes on you sb stacks. reprisal is an excellent gap filler for starting encounters and something extra for kiting. it's not a save the world change by any means. nice QoL though
outer solstice
yeah I see reprisal as a QoL thing mainly too
feral gale
i use it more for the on demand rage than the sb uptime tbh
solemn magnet
i never felt i had a hard time opening
feral gale
@solemn magnet your healers did, lol. on anything that wasn't pure physical and more than 2 mobs
solemn magnet
no they didnt
feral gale
oh ok (they did)
solemn magnet
i've been playing with the same healer for 3 months. they haven't.
feral gale
what im saying is, you're making life easier for everyone so there's no room to counter point
scenic reef
Blockable damage isn't the main form of damage intake that's actually a problem ...
this is 100% same for me, I crafted reprisal, testing it out, probably will like it for most of the content that allows movement but still I kinda like the wall for allowing the usage of shield wall more frequently especially in fights like mythic inerva altho movement is natural in that fight also
solemn magnet
easier =/= they had problems?
feral gale
don't use reprisal in raid unless you're getting natural charges
solemn magnet
not me
chilly brook
Like
feral gale
on fort weeks, several trash packs crush me pretty hard - sorry for projecting? i guess
chilly brook
Idk
feral gale
mostly dos and soa
grizzled nova
They're crushing you with magic damage, not because you don't have block up.
feral gale
yeah play what you like for sure
solemn magnet
dos trash is tough. i used to explode, but i don't anymore and reprisal doesn't help in dos against the packs that are hard
feral gale
it kinda does in a sense cuz i don't need to waste rage on threat vs getting a faster ip up, but i see what you're saying tho
solemn magnet
reprisal isn't going to stop you from getting shadowcore'd
feral gale
i prefer wall in many keys with larger painful pulls so far too, but reprisal has definitely made things fun being able to actually use avatar more often with AM
grizzled nova
Successful management of dos has enormously less to do with you getting ip up and more to do with your party kicking shadowcore.
Same for soa.
feral gale
ye but im the tank so i blame myself for things lol
the responsibility is real sometimes
grizzled nova
The "hard" packs in dungeons are just the ones that have mechanics that can't be managed by the tank and healer alone.
feral gale
I agree with you, but prior to 9.05 I'd be getting declined from 15s despite having KSM, the warrior climb was always an uphill one
way easier to shift the blame for others i suppose
solemn magnet
idk who there is to blame before the group even starts
people have preferences. you can't expect to get into every group
scenic reef
can someone say what's the ratio in cdr when using the wall + AM, i ran it on
mythic artificer, the cd on shield wall was very low but what's normally the ratio which source brings more cdr, the wall or AM? kinda wondering how's the cdr going to be if I drop one of them.
feral gale
that kind of entirely depends on your uptime with the boss, if your healers can be trusted/you you know when to call externals you should run AM + wall. if your healers are lacking or inattentive bolster + the wall is the play
the biggest cdr is actually just running the conduit that peels 30 sec off SW
grizzled nova
You'll shield slam more than 6 times off the cd alone in the remaining 3m30s
So that just isn't true.
scenic reef
the biggest cdr is actually just running the conduit that peels 30 sec off SW
that can't be right, in 5:42 mythic inerva I had 85 shield slam casts, that makes it on average 1 per every 4 seconds or so and that means in 1 minute I cast 15 shield slams which lower the cooldown already by 1 minute and 15 seconds
feral gale
i guess i mean more like 'the most reliable?' if you're asking questions on cdr for arti i assume it's prog
the question for that is do i run am or bolster, not do i run wall. always run wall, and then the question tree divides into can my healers keep me up in my gaps? if yes then am if not then bolster
grizzled nova
Point of fact, the real question is if you took that conduit off, how long would it take you to make up those 30s with wall/am? Enormously less than 30s.
scenic reef
All i'm saying really is that I am not certain how one can track how much AM lowered the cdr of shield wall, can you see it from logs or?
sick sentinel
im assuming we want scale for a trinket but what else?
feral gale
heraldry
compact palm
There are a few good options heraldry is good stat stick yeah
feral gale
or anima field emitter i suppose if you can stand in the pool
sick sentinel
and im assuming stack haste vers?
compact palm
Generally Yea
sick sentinel
ok cool! 😄
feral gale
@scenic reef Yeah you can jump into logs or just see how many slams you used to see how much you reduced the cd. but in an ideal world you'd want both AM + the wall anyway so the question came into my mind weirdly
compact palm
Bolster can be nice if you need to cover 2 things back to back and won't benefit as much from. The reduced sheild wall cd
feral gale
you want AM for avatar and to push more damage not just SW
but it circles back on my other comment, if you're in prog and your healers can't cover your gaps then grab bolster i.e. council niklaus or sludgefist
scenic reef
Ye, I have seen tho in last mythic fights which hit tanks really hard, many people swap for bolster for extra "fuck, I'm running out of SB but the boss is gonna hit me hard button"
feral gale
yeah tanks are absolutely at risk on those final 3 in many situations
better to be safe
unless you're my guardian druid co tank... 😦
balmy coral
how good is gluttonous spike for mythic+?
snow tusk
not very. i have it and it deals around 3% dmg and the healing is kind of irrelevant. i'll stick to my anima field and scale
woeful cypress
thinking abt going nightfae someone stop me
shell hare
🦗
woeful cypress
feels like a sign right..
dapper coral
do what you want, covenants don't really matter for prot
woeful cypress
well thats kinda untrue
stable kernel
all covs are good for prot warr
cobalt mason
even venthyr?
mossy sluice
yeah
cobalt mason
🙂
spring crescent
I wanna play all 3 specs decently competitively, NF is the safest choice yeah?
mossy sluice
prob better to ask arms/fury. prot choice really doesnt matter
spring crescent
thanks!
shell hare
Venth is fine tanking bosses just not the best for holding aggro on big packs
quiet gulch
what should i make the wall for what gear slot please
gloomy sundial
Shoulders
quiet gulch
does it do well in mthic plus too till i make my other one
quiet gulch
it seems that way i want to push both and reprisal seems decent for both but i want to have the added help of the wall till i become a much better tank
and what missives do i need also i know im probably needy
mossy sluice
I would make a 190 of both if youre short on ash. Haste/vers is recommended
Reprisal is gonna make your life a lot easier in dungeons. W/o it you may have to choose between revenge and shield block with your initial rage because dps are impatient
quiet gulch
i think next tuesday ill make reprisal im mostly focus on raid tanking
mossy sluice
Then the wall is fine
quiet gulch
perfect
plush tendon
I will say, the wall is effective but boring
Reprisal has cool interactions and opportunity for skill expression
But both decent, but I’m super happy with reprisal and adds extra gameplay
quiet gulch
it seems to be a great playstyle
im not getting into heroic raiding so thats the new part to me yall are leaps ahead
mighty valley
it was always doing alright, now more alright
spice rivet
hmm
balmy coral
@snow tusk What about 197 anima vs 213 gluttonous
solemn magnet
I'd use gluttonous
balmy coral
For mythic+ yea, for ST Raids with little movement I'll use the anima
Oh wait this is prot not fury
lol
cerulean pebble
Finally got my KSM lol.
solemn magnet
Grats
tame jasper
Grats!
I made three more and now I‘m at 4x15, 3x14,1x13. Hope to get one or more done this week (pug takes time 😒)
chilly brook
thinking abt going nightfae someone stop me
No reason to not go Night Fae
It pumps
Just do it
You'll like it trust me
grand yoke
So I am on a horrid server and legos are super expensive how big of a deal is it to make feet over legs for Reprisal
chilly brook
Venth is fine tanking bosses just not the best for holding aggro on big packs
Revenge goes a long way to fixing any perceived issues for aoe
solemn magnet
So I am on a horrid server and legos are super expensive how big of a deal is i...
It's not the end of the world, but legs may end up being better into 9.1 assuming leggo ilvls go up
grand yoke
ok thank you
proven adder
so is port warrior gonna be king for 9.1?
sweet summit
King? ya
Meta? who knows
jagged pier
prot warrior already was king 🤷
mighty egret
im jumping in on the hype
obtuse marsh
Its pretty fun to see how all enjoy more prot than dh, after 2 years of prot meta
mighty egret
dh is boring af
obtuse marsh
I agree
balmy coral
Does ANYONE use IP in Mythic+? At 207 I am doing 10-12's and I find myself not taking a ton of damage so I revenge spam. Just did 3.1k ST on the last boss in Mists
jagged pier
i know 17 and 18s arent high but i barely use it there
balmy coral
I use it occasionally but definitely dumping a ton in revenge
I also have been using Into the Fray, I don't like using ravager
balmy coral
Well I think for tyrannical ITF, but ravager in fortided
jagged pier
how i dont think even on tyranical i ever get 5 stacks of ITF on bosses
jagged pier
yus
jagged pier
if u use it correctly yes
dull zodiac
is there some guide on correct usage
i see in the pins the same thing if used correctly
but in detail that entails ?
jagged pier
it means u have to basically charge and intervene on cd
dull zodiac
oki gotcha
jagged pier
which is harder than it sounds
dull zodiac
ye i can imagine
jagged pier
especially with DT you dont want to sit on 2 charges
chilly brook
@jagged pier is a king
jagged pier
NAH thats you Griff
chilly brook
Nuh uh
jagged pier
yuh uh
bold viper
New to prot warrior. Vengeance dh main here. Debating which leggo to build. The wall looks great and far more simple than reprisal. However the uptime of block with reprisal looks insane
To me it seems worth figuring out how to use. Is it worth that much compared to wall?
mild ruin
Reprisal requires a bit to play around but the results are sickeningly good. I’ve just rerolled to warrior and tanked my first 12s yesterday at sub 190 ilvl, no issues at all and had around 65% block (plenty of room for improvement)
bold viper
Ya 50% dr with that much uptime looks way too good. How much uptime can you do? I'm gonna guess 90% and more
chilly brook
sand condor
chilly brook
No but on a serious note I'm not quite convinced about reprisal considering blockable damage isn't our problem
sand condor
Seismic best?
sand condor
Oh yeah but it does help us generate rage and damage and keeps our block high
chilly brook
But a nice balance between offense and defense where as wall is somewhat more defensive and seismic is full send offensive
sand condor
I intervened my cotank on Sludge cus my brain was like “ohno shieldblock down”
chilly brook
bold viper
Lol
bold viper
I thought about that earlier. Thanks for answering that
chilly brook
Btw I think the highest uptime I've seen is like 85% in keys
Could potentially be higher tho
But like I said mostly you're not necessarily worried about the hits you can block it's the shit you can't
bold viper
So the wall. Got it. Another question. Unbreakable will. Is that dr raid wide or only party as the tool tip says
Maybe blizz fucked up the tool tip
chilly brook
UW is only party
sand condor
Party
chilly brook
Garbo dont even think about it
sand condor
And it’s a trap
chilly brook
Not worth
bold viper
Just making sure I wasn't missing some hidden gem. That'd be nuts
sand condor
As I told the warrior in my old guild “If you have to provide your party with a DR then your healers are making mistakes or your dps are slacking”
chilly brook
Btw just craft both reprisal and the wall
Mess around with them both
Make up your own mind
Lots of people find reprisal really fun
sand condor
He reposted with a “you just don’t play like I do”
chilly brook
I'm just not one of those people
sand condor
Reprisal + Leaper is when we truly become dh cosplayers
chilly brook
sand condor
They look fun
chilly brook
Bloodthirst animation as a female panda is dope
bold viper
The thunderclap animation is so badass. Better than all dh animations combined.
Well dh leap is pretty sick
worn bear
tclap is something i'd love to see unpruned for the other specs
sand condor
Prot warrior is slowly becoming what I loved in bfa
Now that I’m fae
Oh boy
Gonna slap
sand condor
Uncap revenge!
sand condor
I was venthyr
worn bear
I'd just settle for Tclap doing damage
post-aura buff and it still tickles
sand condor
Venthyr isn’t very fun to tank as
worn bear
hate to see it
sand condor
Thunderclap isn’t even in my top 5
sand condor
Oh yeah hitting 20k on 1st boss mists
chilly brook
Coincidentally that's the mists I ended at 4.6k as prot
sand condor
Nice
sand condor
Im looking forward to laughing at nightfae slap
And slapping the fuck out of packs
What sb did you run
chilly brook
My damage would have been disgusting if I was running reprisal/bsc/am
And theotar
Nadjia is my fury bind
sand condor
^
sand condor
Nice
bold viper
Anger management I imagine is bis with wall. Maybe I'm wrong
chilly brook
Anger management I imagine is bis with wall. Maybe I'm wrong
Nah bolster
sand condor
Or you get slapped in downtime
chilly brook
AM really only becomes an option with reprisal
Since its filling the gap that bolster would be usually
stiff bear
Hit 4,9 in mist as my highest, running Korayn though 🙂 kind of fun when my burst can be as high as fury sometimes 🙂
hollow steppe
I hear about the prot warrior buffs in the recent patch. Is it easier to join M+ pug as a prot warrior now? I quit a few weeks ago because it was too hard to join +10 and +11 groups.
hollow steppe
grizzled nova
I would say it's more likely your rio than being a warrior, if that's the case.
I have a vdh that's 1780 rio tied to my pwar that's only 1300 rio, and no one has ever turned me down for being a warrior.
I've only ever been not accepted once and it was because I wasn't kyrian.
bronze wind
This is not my case. I stopped to play M+ 1 month ago or something like that with 1.4 io. (I'm nf). Sometimes I was invited, but some people left the party telling things like:
" I don't want to waste my time with a warrior". And this was the best scenario after 2 hours or searching for a group
sand condor
im getting accepted a lot faster again
jagged pier
ive never had an issue tbh
keys are worse now tho like worse players are getting higher score like i keep having dps like body pull and stuff and screw up my route then blame me for not knowing my own route 🤔 happens in about 2 keys a week atm
hollow steppe
for me it was not too bad until 11+. then it became too difficult. i quit when i wasted an hour to find a group with no luck.
young glen
I'm not running pugs unless for low key valor blast
jagged pier
well i wish i had ppl to play with but i dont
ionic fern
Pugging makes you a better tank. 👀
Can't rely on people so you just do everything yourself.
jagged pier
i actually agree with that
jagged pier
☝️
solid cairn
But that's how you learn
compact palm
Yea don't pug for hours in end you will loss a part of your sanity
jaunty vector
bosses cant bolster can they?
sand condor
can you avatar
jagged pier
'hey jakey i havent done my weekly yet, can u tank a key for me'
sand condor
prepull
ionic fern
bosses cant bolster can they?
They can.
jagged pier
bosses cant bolster can they?
they can yes
compact palm
You saying if I pug mythic sire I can call myself best warrior j. The world?
empty spindle
I’ve been trying so hard lately to get KSM I need PF and SD and I keep getting screwed over by pugs it’s so frustrating
Had 20 mins left on the timer and we were almost up to 2nd last boss of PF a dps died on trash - the trash died the healer was like “shit route” and left
Like no other word
ionic fern
Jeah, people are mucho dumb.
onyx moon
So for mythic + for necrolords in Emeni or Hemir better?
compact palm
I'd be fine getting suggestions as long as they weren't whiny or negitive
ionic fern
Me: Links route "Everyone OK with this?"
Everyone:Silence
Random DPS player after dying to a gigapull :"Shit route, bye"
empty spindle
😭😭
jagged pier
a dps asked me how i got my score once i told him it was because i didnt pull random mobs woth divine storm he blocked me after that
🤷
compact palm
Tbh I don't think most dps even have MDT
People just mindless follow tank and blame them when shit goes down
jagged pier
i like the ones that ask then complain about the route, so im like im happy to do your route show me
and their like nah man
its okay
we do yours
yer im sure u had aroute there buddy
compact palm
This is too real
jagged pier
its just so they cant be blamed for the key going wrong
compact palm
Its weird when I invite the fotm classes they complain more and leave more
Point finger first then they can't blame you 
jagged pier
well whenever theres a body pull im usually like look my route is now scuffed ill try my best
to get pride on bosses
lime orchid
Point finger first then they can't blame you <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
Whoa word of wisdom lol
compact palm
Yea when stuff gets body pulled on a lot of these dungeons you basicly need a invis skip to fix the pride
compact palm
What's a non idiot
compact palm
Io is very fake
compact palm
Unless you dig thrw third logs you never really know
compact palm
Its tedious
jagged pier
as far as i can tell no, i actually asked my officers that yesterday and they said they didnt think so
roar maybe
lofty widget
the roar is
crisp dragon
My theory as well
lofty widget
and is reduced by SR
jagged pier
but sonic damage is strange somtimes
its ither nature or physical
🤷
i still SR every i remeber anyways
crisp dragon
I don't feel like my wowanalyzer notes that I reduce any magic damage
And I SR all the fricking time
I tried experimenting a bit
hasty quest
Ehy guys any feedback from reprisal? The gameplay is improved?
jagged pier
im not even gunna lie making reprisal work on sludge felt so good
on one pull last night my co tank died for like a 1 min
and i still only just overtook him on damage taken
crisp dragon
I don't think it really is necessary to use it, you have all the uptime you need
But man my DH co-tank sometimes takes 3k dtps more than me
jagged pier
nah its a difference between like 70-80% blocked hits and sw to fill the gaps
crisp dragon
I don't feel like prot takes no damage with mitigation up
jagged pier
or 90+ blocked hits
crisp dragon
I dunno, I dont get to charge much, do you charge on every slam/roar etc, I can really only do it with roar, he moves against it, I let it push -> charge
jagged pier
u have to charge every roar and stomp ill do a video once we kill it
but that could be today
could be next week
could be month
depends when the dps do mechanics correctly
crisp dragon
I tried once, but my co-tank is just very slow, DH jump is kind of weird
jagged pier
i play with a dh have no issues 
the only change we made is he main tanks
so i can charge and stuff
crisp dragon
Regarding when you move after you slam a pillar, do you stack with the 4 yard AOE ability, you and the tank, because I feel like if we dont stack and take the guaranteed 16k, one of us is going to get a melee + giant fists
crisp dragon
Yeah, I think our healers are just very bad at stabilizing after the pillar slam
But the difference between 4 and 5 yards is fucking tiny
jagged pier
☝️
proper crest
Does anyone know the difference between "boomkin" and "boomkin ord" in the Max sheet about banner value for each spec ? (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTjLqrIHHzQdK7fRCLBkY9wG1yhqMnMajeaBzlJ0SQzb8-_tgHQg99iQ1461zA3PaNqE-S32GWYEJXw/pubhtml)
sand condor
fuck ignore pain
its a boomkin with the ordenance trinket
Nightfae is so satisfying
Imglad I swapped
subtle island
whats a decent mitigation/dtps on hungering mythic?
subtle island
how dyu check how many blocked?
red swallow
Is there any boss i shouldnt run reprisal on if im only doing normal/hc?
jagged pier
how dyu check how many blocked?
damage taken -> melee -> hover over the bar
red swallow
neat
subtle island
saying 64.26% blocked
subtle island
you got any logs with really high block up time?
subtle island
that with reprisal?
jagged pier
yus
subtle island
you tanking with another warr?
jagged pier
no?
subtle island
you proccing it with charge to boss?
jagged pier
and as i said above ill do a video on it once we kill it
sand condor
yes
please
that would help me massively
as i;ve been pro/demoted to tank for this boss
lol
jagged pier
i will say this tho im using in terms of blocking as much stuff so i do waste Revenge! procs
but it takes some getting used to and u need your co tank to work with u
and im using other members of the raid as well
at certain points
subtle island
I'm trying to work out whether the trade off of spamming condemn (with the corresponding absorb) is not worth ignoring block uptime
median tulip
If you intervene on your co-tank on Shriekwing, do you get the bleed/healing debuff, or do they?
jagged pier
for defensive value its not
subtle island
it's hard to compare em cos it's post patch but is the higher hps not worth the trade off?
jagged pier
well as block is our best defensive against phyiscal damage
no
the hps is not worth it
subtle island
your dtps is 4.1k, mines 4.3, but my hps is 1.8 vs 1.3
doesn't that make the trade off worth it?
jagged pier
but im also going for damage in all my logs really
so im not really tracking proper usage
subtle island
ye that makes it hard to track cos it's different patches
but still, 93 parse for you, 86 for me, but 95 for me for ilvl?
4 ilvls higher for you as well
sudden current
is dslice sim working properly for dmg build? i do low keys only - or should i just sim 3/4/5 targets 1mn duration?
jagged pier
i wouldnt sim dungeon slice tbh
sudden current
just want to know which soulbind should i pick for dmg (necro)
sudden current
yeah i just wanted to know how it goes agains heirmir with gemstone
il just do several sims to check, thanks anyway
subtle island
check the melee damage there https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/X6Vhv9dFjRQT8Ctw#fight=5&type=damage-taken&source=12&sourcebuffs=132404
shield blocks not up in execute, but damage doesn't spike, and I'm wondering it's cos of condemn absorb
jagged pier
i mean he has 100% blocked hits
oh wait
not he doesnt
in tthat segment he did
u should put SB up
then condemn
im not venthyr cant really say
@sweet summit need a venthyrs halp
subtle island
I'm trying to work out whether spamming condemn at cost of sb in execute isn't optimal/is at least not dangerous
elfin nova
It's not dangerous on hungering
jagged pier
yer ive called erga he is venth he will know
elfin nova
Pretty sure you can sit down and he won't kill you
subtle island
ye but going forward whether it's viable to just pour rage into condemn
using hungering as a test case
uncut citrus
Hello.. kidna offspec question.. so is Reprisal lego go to in raid? I know its busted in m+, where im using it, but I raid it seems it doesnt have that much value.. so I still wear The Wall when I need to swap to tank
jagged pier
if u can do the movement and make it work yus
elfin nova
It's obviously a survivability loss compared to maintaining sb especially if you're completely neglecting it and capping charges
rare kraken
Reprisal is very jank in raid
some fights don't allow you to use it at all
better off using wall
jagged pier
which fights?
rare kraken
Sludge for one
jagged pier
i would beg to differ
rare kraken
Huntsman as well
elfin nova
You can charge on sludge you'll just kill both tanks if you do it wrong
But the chain range is large
rare kraken
How is your tank handling the double hit when you need to run out lol
elfin nova
I think you just charge once after every stomp right
stable geyser
Hey I got pants last week on vault
226 haste/versa
Should I craft new legendary
On pants or boots?
elfin nova
- roar if you have extra charges
subtle island
It's obviously a survivability loss compared to maintaining sb especially if you...
is it though? it has a chance to reset shield slam so couldn't you maybe get a higher absorb than the damage prevented by block?
subtle island
- the increase in hps?
elfin nova
Use the sludge screenshot there as an example
jagged pier
hps means nothing tbh dude stop looking at it that way, just put sb up and spamm condemn u should have enough rage
elfin nova
Block is preventing 10k per hit on average
unreal scarab
i really struggle so hard if i want my defense CDs on 1-2-3-4 like with EVERY other tank i play... but on the warrior it triggers something deep inside me to have all shouts grouped up next together 😄
blazing condor
If you swap covenants do you gotta refarm all the conduits or are there any ”universal ones” (mainly thinking covenant specific ones) that translate over?
snow tusk
you keep your class specifics, the covenant one needs to be upgraded again
haughty flicker
Leveling a prot warrior alt, struggling with deciding which covenant to play (given the recent patch necro buffs). Does anyone have any hard data showing whether necro > kyrian or venthyr?
unreal scarab
Leveling a prot warrior alt, struggling with deciding which covenant to play (gi...
From what you can hear Aftershock will still be insane for M+, Kyrian is still awesome as well and Necrolord is kind of a harder choice. Do you like the idea of not being a tiny DPS but supporting the group by communication and timing their CDs with your Banner. HELL JEAH take it! Got a Unholy DK, Mage and Boomkin and they LOVE it. it is HUGE. Also fleshcraft is a nice CD now for some phases during bosses or simply before a pull.
AND the armor looks dope as hell plus it kinda fits the prot fantasy. So long term short. you re solo pugging and don t plan on pushing above 15-20? Kyrian or venthyr will be better. Having fun with some friends? Necro will help your damage overall by a huge junk. I like the idea of not being another DD. If you want to pump 20k DPS in an aoe Pull, DH shines.
haughty flicker
I’m looking for the most viable covenant for multiple types of content. Since it’s my 3rd max level char I’m not expecting to be pushing a ton of high keys. Would like to be able to do some mythic raiding and maybe some +15-17 max.
jagged pier
kyrian then probs
unreal scarab
ye, just go with your tummy. All covenants are now pretty close together with every one shining in other aspects (kyrian maybe a little brighter). But it just changes your playstile around the covenant ability so choose what fits that. I like the preparation of fleshcraft before a pull and the CD timing.
distant kestrel
So i started tanking for the first time since bfa, made reprisal lego and 2star a +15 just to test it out
But i feel i get jo value out of it
Like 3sec of shield block on a charge/intercept feels way weaker than prev legos
NF warr btw
grave crane
If you use reprisal does the middle talent of the bottom row extend the SB duration?
ionic fern
It's 4s and a lot of extra Rage + a free Revenge! buff.@distant kestrel
ionic fern
If you use reprisal does the middle talent of the bottom row extend the SB durat...
Yes it does.
grave crane
Sick, so that would be a reason to use that talent instead of bolster, appreciate it @ionic fern
ionic fern
Sick, so that would be a reason to use that talent instead of bolster, appreciat...
You would be better off with AM.
grave crane
I’m assuming for the value of SW and Avatar cooldown reduction
distant kestrel
It's 4s and a lot of extra Rage + a free Revenge! buff.<@338967877543788544>
Thanks 😁 should I intercept on CD with a focus macro or not worth? 🤔
ionic fern
If you don't need Intervene anywhere else then jeah,on cd.:)
ionic fern
I’m assuming for the value of SW and Avatar cooldown reduction
Yes.
In general you shouldn't need the extra SB up-time that HR provides and would make better use of the damage / SW CDR provided by AM
grave crane
For sure, appreciate the knowledge my man
alpine ravine
😎
solid cairn
hey i'm starting the tanking with my prot war. Is it normal that i'm finding it difficult to tank the first boss of the nm at ~178 ilvl?
alpine ravine
nm?
signal plover
New mexico
signal plover
Is the rest of the raid a bit more geared?
solid cairn
i was the least geared of the group
signal plover
It should be possible to do shriek at 178, we did heroic week 1 at ~185 Ilvl as a raid
solid cairn
also no leg
sick sentinel
hey i'm starting the tanking with my prot war. Is it normal that i'm finding it ...
Ofc, CN is geared at 184+ geared people with legendary
signal plover
You're definitely on the low side there
polar hamlet
Hi guys, new prot warrior here (lvl 54) what do i do when shield block is on CD? How do i keep active mitigation up? Leveling trough dungeons.
signal plover
And if your shield is low Ilvl you'll rly feel it
solid cairn
ok thanks
signal plover
Craft a legendary asap. I'd suggest doing hungering destroyer on LFR so that you can get the wall legendary.
sand condor
Hi guys, new prot warrior here (lvl 54) what do i do when shield block is on CD?...
Cry
But no, kite
Fill gaps with bolster
jagged pier
Hi guys, new prot warrior here (lvl 54) what do i do when shield block is on CD?...
what talents are u running in dungeons
sand condor
And shieldblock
signal plover
Either that or reprisal (I can't remember where that actually drops tho...a torghast wing?), but starting out imo go with wall
polar hamlet
what talents are u running in dungeons
Devastator, double time, voice, c thunder, indomitable, ravager & bolster
mystic ocean
How much of a difference does it make? I get hit somewhat hard with a 174 shield in +13/14 m+
jagged pier
shield is the only piece with block on it
so it makes a big difference
the 200 conquest shield is so ez and u only need to do like daily bg and epic bg win for like 3 days
and bam shield
polar hamlet
Whats las? Last stand?
mystic ocean
True
polar hamlet
Thx!
dusty yacht
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DQKLmvbV1hpXFWA2/ Someone wanted logs yesterday, i got around 98% uptime fight on shield blok, playing double charge + bolster without haste stat
I only got some down cycle on pride
I got the video also
jagged pier
well u only blocked 73% of melees
which isnt bad by anymeans
but u really should not care about uptime
dusty yacht
Yep , but i was wondering if playing crit/mastery isn't better than play haste/... , in terms of dmg overall for m+
Even if you loose AM
vocal cave
Is trash because crit blocking is overrated or it just scales too poorly?
jagged pier
well its not trash just our worst stats
look at it this way
crit blocking only applys to blocked attacks already
so u want to block more u go haste as CDR on SB
crit gives u parry where crit block gives no value
and vers is more DR than crit blocking as well as believe
something like that anyway
median tulip
Reminder: Mastery also boosts your attack power, which (aside from buffing your offensive abilities) also increases FNP
dusty yacht
Unstoppable force no way is it better than ravager with AM ?
jagged pier
no
thorn remnant
For reprisal, which slot gives the most stat value of the two options? Is it legs over feet?
jagged pier
legs
thorn remnant
Thank you
dusty yacht
if you clean mythic raid, feet is better
jagged pier
my next boss to progress is SLG and i still went legs as i would have to be very lucky to get legs
jagged pier
if i get them meh ill remake
median tulip
The easiest way to ensure you get the leg drop from SLG is to craft Reprisal on legs
thorn remnant
lol
median tulip
You know it's true
thorn remnant
It's the Law of Loot... have 6 options in your Great Vault? 3 of those will be where your legendary exists.
median tulip
My GF has 226 chest on her Monk, and a minimum of 3 items every week are chest pieces
thorn remnant
^this guy bragging he has a GF
jagged pier
Tru
median tulip
lol
thorn remnant
This is just an alt for me currently, though Warrior feels really good this expansion to my playstyle. Been debating if I get my tanking legendary before my fury legendary... probably getting the tanking one. 😉
median tulip
Well you only need exactly one DPS legendary
Signet is the one ring to rule them all as far as Warrior DPS goes
thorn remnant
On wrists, yeah?
quaint onyx
I’ve only seen it crafted on a ring slot really (haven’t crafted it yet myself)
median tulip
That's where I have mine, but I did that because I have 2 really good rings. IDK if that's considered optimal
remote dawn
question for dungeons:
in bfa there are some snapspots, dungeons or safespots, are there any in SL?
stable geyser
Need some help
In what slot should I craft Reprisal
This week I got haste versa pants 226
Should I got o pants or boots?
median tulip
Need some help
In what slot should I craft Reprisal
This week I got haste versa ...
What item level are your boots?
patent osprey
@stable geyser do u mythic raid
if you do have the potential to get mythic slg pants then go boots
else pants is highest stat roll. if you have bis pants now you can go boots but long run if you get bis feet, then pants is still bis
unless u can get mythic slg pants
small marsh
190 reprisal or 235 wall for m+
remote dawn
190 rispal
jagged pier
190 repirsal is better
somber compass
jagged pier
double time
small marsh
I see DT and SB both given as answers in here
small marsh
If you trust your DPS to kick I'd definitely go DT
jagged pier
but that means u always need charge rolling
patent osprey
@somber compass SB saves lives :)
Trusting dps to kick is like putting your baby on the road and hoping a stranger pulls it away before a car hits it
torpid saffron
Sharpening stone or shadowcore oil for M+ ?
arctic wasp
oil 😛
patent osprey
imagine asking dps to use non dps abilities ^.^
remote dawn
Trusting dps to kick is like putting your baby on the road and hoping a stranger...
💯 best of the day 😆
jagged pier
Sharpening stone or shadowcore oil for M+ ?
i believe its sharpening stone for aoe and oil for ST
candid valley
Question for the banner bois: can I just intervene-banner-charge back in and my DPS won’t lose the buff since I dropped it on them, or is it radius based? Trying to test out distance if anyone knows
sweet summit
two closest players to you as you cast it, 15 yard range, once they have the buff you can run off
patent osprey
Question for the banner bois: can I just intervene-banner-charge back in and my ...
yes. once they have the buff they have it forever
sweet summit
grave crane
That’s actually sick for raiding if you can intervene your dps you’ll be set
brittle owl
why are you people getting hyped for being simps 
rain bronze
Trusting dps to kick is like putting your baby on the road and hoping a stranger...
Hahahahaha
arctic wasp
what is a simps :o?
sweet summit
@brittle owl is a simp
brittle owl
<@!408281070409351168> is a simp
unreal scarab
sweet summit
i am the biggest simp
past dagger
What’s the best all purpose leggo? I know walls bis for raiding and reprisal for dungeons but what would be better if I’m just crafting one for the foreseeable future?
Necrosimp here btw
sweet summit
Reprisal is a DPS increase over The Wall if you can utilise Intervene/Charge properly.
Yes, it can be good in Raid fights that allow this kind of movement.
if yes then reprisal
if no then the wall
median tulip
Does anyone have a strong opinion on Venthyr Soulbinds for M+ Tanking?
sweet summit
nadjia
mental zodiac
I’m trying to buff these boomies convoke
patent osprey
What’s the best all purpose leggo? I know walls bis for raiding and reprisal for...
The wall is strong for progression raiding ^.^ and very strong for push keying as well. Reprisal can be hit or miss on some raid fights like mythic sludgefist, so for general purpose I would play The wall
past dagger
Alrighty thanks
median tulip
The problem with Tea Time is that I'm running Reprisal for M+
median tulip
Although Watch The Shoes is pretty damn good
sweet summit
tea time is vers every minute when you condemn
to u and ur party
but yea soothing shade is neat until u have to move out of it or it procs on charge
median tulip
Yeah
When my AFE procs on charge, well 🤷 it'll be back in a few seconds anyway. Soothing Shade is a way longer wait
odd meadow
Hello everyone, i ve been playing my prot warrior as my 2nd - 3rd character. I have been a kyrian and i wonder if it is worth it to switch to necro or the differences are not worth it. Thanks
tame jasper
Does anyone has a Weakaura which shows the Cooldown of Intervene (until I can use it again not the duration on the tagret)
sweet summit
Hello everyone, i ve been playing my prot warrior as my 2nd - 3rd character. I h...
eh not really, just stay kyrian
median tulip
Does anyone has a Weakaura which shows the Cooldown of Intervene (until I can us...
Just use the template generator for that, that's a simple one
median tulip
Hello everyone, i ve been playing my prot warrior as my 2nd - 3rd character. I h...
The recent buff to Necrolord mostly brings what was an under-performing covenant up to roughly the same level as the others. Necrolord is best if you have a set party that heavily benefits from the Mastery and the co-ordination to use it. If you don't - or if you're happy with your current covenant choice - then it's not worth switching
odd meadow
Thank you both for the clarification. Tbh i dont want to go necro since my main is, and i kinda wanna do all 4 covenant stories. Seems im sticking with Kyrian. Thanks again
remote hawk
For kyrian would you use the potency For the spear or the t clap/revenge one in m+ ? Always played with the spear but should i change now that im running repraisla ?
remote hawk
Aight think you :)
tame jasper
Just use the template generator for that, that's a simple one
Thanks, worked!"
IOn the #268491842637660160 there are no twitch/yt profiles of prot warriors linked, can anyone gimme some (wanna watch how they pull in higher m+)
sick sentinel
Our Stats That We Want Are Item Level > Haste > Vers Right?
jagged pier
yus
sick sentinel
There seems to be a very limited amount of Haste>Vers Gear From PVE Content.
jagged pier
IOn the <#268491842637660160> there are no twitch/yt profiles of prot warriors l...
Snse and Plka
jagged pier
There seems to be a very limited amount of Haste>Vers Gear From PVE Content.
you would have to ask @ionic fern he doesnt pvp and seems to have a lot of haste gear
azure oracle
Question: why do you guys enjoy prot warrior? As for me, i keep trying to get into it, but its just so stressful seeing your HP go down like crazy, using supernatural powers to press all the buttons keeping shieldblock IP up. After a dungeon you need a vacation before next dungeon. When playing other tanks, it feels like the mitigation comes natural using your rotation, like its weaved into the rotation. But warrrior is my main and im trying to enjoy all specs :/
wanton egret
Whats ur ilvl?
fast wyvern
I stared playing a warrior cause I like the niche of spell reflect
jagged pier
the complexity is why i like it
wanton egret
Between rotating shield block, last stand and Blood spattered scale i feel very very tanky
I can almost face tank the first pull of DoS in 15 the whole duration
azure oracle
Whats ur ilvl?
210 ish
mild ruin
It’s sad I’ve come from a guardian Druid to prot warrior and seeing the diff in certain pulls is really sad
Like first pull dos 15 my dudu just afk tanks it with incarn, second pull I just thrash and 1 charge of wall
azure oracle
naa dont know how that log things work
ionic fern
you would have to ask <@!238357283996696576> he doesnt pvp and seems to have a l...
Ask me what?:( Where to get hjaste gear?
I am legit just using what has dropped from dungeons.
😂
flint roost
Did the hotfix nerf something?
fast wyvern
Is there anything you guys would 100% recommend to spell reflect I know there is a doc with everything just wanna know if anyone has something really good in a certain key?
mild ruin
The tank buster on last boss ToP, beautiful to spell reflect
jagged pier
Ask me what?:( Where to get hjaste gear?
well he said theres none in PVE content and i know u have tones from somewhere
🤷
outer bronze
is the bag of tricks from vulpera worth using a gcd on? seems to do okay dmg but idk
jagged pier
Is there anything you guys would 100% recommend to spell reflect I know there is...
tank buster on last boss in DoS
fast wyvern
The slam or the tank slap
mild ruin
What ilvl mwahi?
ionic fern
216 equipped, 220 in bags
mild ruin
Would link my stats but got two “upgrades” today, that forced me to lose nearly 300 haste 😦
ionic fern
I still don't have haste on my Shoulders/Back/Chest/Wrists/Shield/Waist tho. 😄
mild ruin
I have no haste on my rings or neck!!!
arctic wasp
how important is haste in terms of ilvl?, what i mean is i have a back with crit - master (226) and a 220 with haste / vers that is 6 less str for the 220, i'm using the 226 but i'm considering changing , not sure honestly
mild ruin
Main stat is v important but on a cloak (complete personal opinion) I’d use the 220 for BiS stats
arctic wasp
yeah, is actually only 3 str my bad, was 6 stamina
mild ruin
If it was a chest piece or legs or something I’d say different but as cloak is only minor primary stats I’d go for stats if close ilvl
arctic wasp
it doesnt seems too much seriously , back is very poor in main stat
that i was thinking
inland raft
So havnt touched war since wod so still getting back into the feel of class, but with reprisal about how much sb uptime you guys usually have during a dungeon?
median tulip
So havnt touched war since wod so still getting back into the feel of class, but...
You can get 90% in combat uptime
jagged pier
80% if your mwahi u have 86%
chilly brook
Should I go full degen?
inland raft
Using leap to leap out and charge back in? Seems a bit degenerate
rich helm
Two more days and im back to kyrian ♥️😂
solemn magnet
Kyrian is bae
chilly brook
Night bae
inland raft
I was talked into nf and loving the additional utility stun
rich helm
Raid wise kyrian is a bit better in my opinion
ionic fern
How is NF under appreciated ? 👀
lunar slate
Intervene/Charge Macro - currently I have a macro that is > Charge when it’s an enemy target and Intervene > Friendly target. Anyone have a suggestion how to make it so that the intervene in macro targets the nearest friendly player to maximize the Reprisal Leggo?
solemn magnet
Raid wise kyrian is a bit better in my opinion
Not sure bout this one.
chilly brook
How is NF under appreciated ? 👀
Cuz everyone goes "muh root tho"
chilly brook
Literally I swear 95% of people dont even know AA crowd controls
ionic fern
Kyrian is the more "defensive" option of the two.
NF is the more offensive one.
rich helm
Y
chilly brook
Eh
I think AA is more defensive when you get to count the amount of casts that dont go through
inland raft
Its also 12 seconds of fairly reliable interrupts on caster packs
solemn magnet
I only tried AA for a couple days, but after getting the initial interrupt when first used, mobs just free cast before the next stun so =/
fervent smelt
I think AA is more defensive when you get to count the amount of casts that dont...
100%
chilly brook
Its also 12 seconds of fairly reliable interrupts on caster packs
That's really my point
ionic fern
Sure, if you take it like that.
On the other hand you could then say "Just root them".
Also it seems they are re-adding some stuff you can remove with Kyrian potion like MIllhouses bleeeeeds.
jagged pier
POG
chilly brook
I miss NF
ionic fern
100% both of them have plusses and minuses.
chilly brook
Never once really thought "damn I miss my potion"
But I do miss my big blue stomp
ionic fern
I miss my spear to keep enemies grouped (especially leapy boys in stuff like ToP etc) while i enjoy AA when pulling big caster packs.
I miss my potion.. a lot.
😦
I'm so used to rotating it with my dwarf racial.
😂
inland raft
I only been playing warrior for one day and already like it more then my dh though, i feel tankier At 160 ilvl then my dh sometimes feels at 226 adjusting for appropriate content at least
rich helm
@ionic fern u are not going back ?
sick sentinel
I’ve been under the impression the necrolord banner goes and stays on the two who were closest to you when you cast it. Does it work that way or is it whoever is currently the closest 2?
mossy sluice
upon cast
uneven mason
Adding
"Also allows your armor to reduce periodic damage effects"
to Last Stand when?
solemn magnet
It works that way
lunar slate
I miss my potion.. a lot.
Yeh reason why I haven’t switched to Necro for example. It helps allot in Huntsman. Spear indeed is really handy in a couple of dungeons to group packs
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> u are not going back ?
Idk yet, i played Kyrian in beta up until like..a week ago so i'm just enjoying other covenants now.
sick sentinel
Okay good
ionic fern
Going to most likely go through all of them and just get the quest lines done.
So swapping in the future will be easier.
rich helm
True dat
inland raft
Ya did that on dh and knowing its free to swap whenever is nice
ionic fern
- i'm not pushing content high enough where my covenant really matters. 😂
Only doing keys around the +20 mark.
rich helm
Spear has a shorter cd then aa right ?
chilly brook
With conduit though which you're gonna run if you're night fae its only a 15 second difference between the two
60 second CD vs 75 second
clear pond
Is there something special I should be doing on mechagnome boss in DoS? Tanked a 17 and a 16 last night and I got shit on by the chick both times. That bleed... Should I just be spamming IPs during that?
inland raft
I went nf cuz plka sold me on it on his stream since my warrior is just an alt, only thing im a bit worried about is necrotic weeks without phial as a warrior
ionic fern
Is there something special I should be doing on mechagnome boss in DoS? Tanked a...
People should be stunning it.
twilit jay
if i use conduit: indelible victory, Victory Rush heals you for 364% of the dmg it dealt over 8 secs. does that stack onto the 20% max hp healed?
ionic fern
I hate that boss since most people don't know that you have to stun her with the MIllhouse cast.
chilly brook
I went nf cuz plka sold me on it on his stream since my warrior is just an alt, ...
No need to be worried
dark lark
Is there something special I should be doing on mechagnome boss in DoS? Tanked a...
Ideally she should be getting stunned by the Shadowfury stun (circle that goes on other players)
chilly brook
Just move out
It's not super hard to drop necrotic stacks and we're kinda the tank that's least affected by necrotic anyways
dark lark
I never used Phial on necrotic weeks, too used to just kiting from BFA days
chilly brook
I never used Phial on necrotic weeks, too used to just kiting from BFA days
Basically this
Tclap and walk out of melee range for a bit
rich helm
Whats it dmg wise ? Spear vs Aa
chilly brook
Then back in
chilly brook
Whats it dmg wise ? Spear vs Aa
Spear is less damage in aoe
More damage in single target
rich helm
Ok
dark lark
I would just shockwave + ask for an aoe + leap
mossy sluice
does spear damage not eventually outscale on aoe?
dark lark
I feel like AA does more ST too
remote hawk
Spears chaining is really nice aswell
chilly brook
does spear damage not eventually outscale on aoe?
Spear is hardcapped at 5 isn't it?
chilly brook
Ah
dark lark
Spear is soft capped
inland raft
Ya i guess im a bit spoiled by dh just chains and leap and /sleep while necrotic goes away but guess tvlap and activelly moving works just still getting used to warrior again since been so long since touched it
rich helm
Do i need to farm my conduits again ? If i change back on wednsday ?
inland raft
I use it since dont trust pugs to slow/stun/root things in the aoe while i leave
Helps get more dps uptime by chaining them for the slow
amber herald
Intervene/Charge Macro - currently I have a macro that is > Charge when it’s an ...
/targetfriendplayer
/cast intervene
/targetlasttarget
what I use
chilly brook
But I mean also go ahead and add 200 dps in single target for free as NF
dark lark
Do i need to farm my conduits again ? If i change back on wednsday ?
You keep whatever conduit ranks you have.
amber herald
it's a bit jank sometimes
uneven mason
But I mean also go ahead and add 200 dps in single target for free as NF
Burz go brrrrrrrrrrr
mossy sluice
just run w/ a convoke main for necrotic
chilly brook
Burz go brrrrrrrrrrr
Facts
clear pond
Ideally she should be getting stunned by the Shadowfury stun (circle that goes o...
Yeah she was but the damage from that bleed was still chunking me hard
amber herald
korayn > niya
dark lark
Yeah she was but the damage from that bleed was still chunking me hard
Yeah IP spam, while rotating CDs and Shield Wall
chilly brook
Yeah she was but the damage from that bleed was still chunking me hard
It's a rough fight for us especially on Tyranical
dark lark
And external
clear pond
Aight, pretty much the conclusion I came to thanks guys :)
uneven mason
korayn > niya <:yep:703420923625078804>
been running Korayn for M+, can't disagree
dark lark
Only the first one should be a full 8 stack of bleeds, the rest should be stunned at around 4 stacks
amber herald
they're both really good, I have a hard time deciding which to pick
dark lark
So shield wall the first one IMO
lunar slate
/targetfriendplayer
/cast intervene
/targetlasttarget
Thanks man 💪💪💪
amber herald
I've been going korayn for dungeons where pulls don't need much setup like mists or SD
and niya for everything else
chilly brook
been running Korayn for M+, can't disagree
How much dam you push with korayn?
uneven mason
Erm IDK overall forgot to check, mostly its the big burst of damage on engage though. since you get the +dmg and +crit even without AA up. I'll be #1 or #2 until midway through the pull on 4-5 targets.
if AA is up on top of that, kaboom
alpine loom
Hello everyone.
I apologize for interrupting your conversation.
How are the defenders in the Necro Covenant doing?
How does the shield work?
How does a banner work?
It makes sense to change your current Night fairy Necro if we want more protection?
torn garden
I feel like I have threat issues in the initial moments of a pull where mobs are kind of spread out. Do I just rely on ravager and tclap to group up?
uneven mason
I feel like I have threat issues in the initial moments of a pull where mobs are...
ravager is a good one, revenge is your big AE grabber though
you can pre ravager, charge and revenge right away
most times you shouldn't lose aggro unless your DPS is massively outgearing you.
torn garden
ravager is a good one, revenge is your big AE grabber though
Yeah but when the mobs are kind of spread out initially revenge doesn’t hit everything. That is the situation I’m trying to sort out
Think 2nd pull in DOS