yoooooooo mandem wats goooooood
#protection
languid mason
limpid pawn
like by dropping bolster, you don't need double time to really get good uptime?
dark lark
Not going double time is fine, I just like having a little more control with bolt
I'm already used to having no SB uptime prior to Reprisal, so I still kite when needed
strong forum
i can hardly find time to use my 1 charge
limpid pawn
what about for hard chonky bosses though
dark lark
It's still an increase in uptime so it's fine
There aren't any hard chonky bosses at my key level, I just save SB for certain tank mechanics if I need to like Xav combo
20 tyrannical boss melee swings aren't super bad. Obv want to block more often than not but if a tank buster is coming I'd rather save a little bit
Plus there are a lot of times they're casting shit so you don't need to have block up
limpid pawn
how many of you guys went necro?
lavish oracle
Most of the tike I find I font need to get 100% usage out of reprisal to be at or near 100% mitigation uptime
Nah, still Kyrian here
strong forum
how many of you guys went necro?
only bad people
dark lark
only bad people
I went necro for the mog, but I'm probably going NF next week lol
My comp doesn't benefit from mastery that much
lavish oracle
I would go fae if everyone and their mothers weren't fae already
lavish oracle
Mmm, should be a gain
hushed sun
If you play like UDK/FireM coordinated in m+ its very good
lavish oracle
Unless you're putting it on some really bad DPS, I guess
lavish oracle
Shouldn't it be like 500 extra DPS overall if you're popping it on 2 boomies on patchwork or something?
strong forum
200 per person
neat dirge
I give it to our DKs on pull and Druids on 2 min
ebon hound
^ that's not counting your own loss
strong forum
and you lose 200 dps yourself
lavish oracle
It's 250 each if the spreadsheet it to be believed
hushed sun
I would play NF. More dps good utility
dark lark
Yeah I don't run with boomies mages or dk :(
And I still like to dps so going back to fairyland
lavish oracle
Yeah, if you're not getting good banner usage it's definitely not worth it, and like only barely worth it if you are
hushed sun
I would like to see 400 crit/haste for you and mastery for others
lavish oracle
Is the sim spreadsheet with emeni bonus + conduit?
hushed sun
Blizzard has no clue how to balance covs. Esp. If you hybrid
dark lark
Blizzard has no clue how to balance covs. Esp. If you hybrid
It's been improving since release
limpid pawn
saying it's "easy" to switch
is such a lie
like minimum 30 renown to be competitive
neat dirge
I got 36 renowned on 4 days
neat dirge
Mythic + 15 ish
floral pewter
Getting to 20ish is pretty fast, just clear LFR, do the campaign, knock out a couple saved callings
30ish in a single week takes a little more effort
void slate
I went necro, simply because literally ALL my other chars are kyrian or nightfae and i just needed the change
fallen raft
anyone got a weakaura for shield block uptime
jagged pier
Not anymore
sharp mural
my 200 prot got butraped on last TOP boss :< the whole run was smooth af
was a +11, I prolly done goofed with that boss
craggy pilot
ok just tried the "stack" tactic on 2nd boss in SoA, and it depleted my key :>
wiped 2 times on that boss..
sharp mural
pride&lust yolo that boss or rip key ๐
lofty widget
do you go left or right?
craggy pilot
left
craggy pilot
so that means you get 80% at 2nd boss?
lofty widget
if you play dogs and praetor to the right before going left you get 80 % at 2nd oss
craggy pilot
ah ok hm
sharp mural
yeah then 87.8 or so go up
craggy pilot
and then u have to skip on next floor?
lofty widget
and then play the helion after 2nd and the two packs with neutral spear-throwers
lofty widget
on fort weeks i would do double pull with lust at start
sharp mural
or lust the add before boss 4 ๐
craggy pilot
ah so lust all 3 pride bosses?
lofty widget
thats what i would do this week
craggy pilot
is it better to go right? ๐ค
fervent smelt
ah so lust all 3 pride bosses?
That worked well for us this week
fervent smelt
is it better to go right? ๐ค
Depends on your route, right can be tougher, all depends on what skips you got
craggy pilot
i usually only do the 2 packs on left tho, should i do that one?
lofty widget
left has a lot squad leaders so if your comp has a lot of aoe that part will take a bit longer, but i'd say its preference
floral pewter
was a +11, I prolly done goofed with that boss
you can reflect her tank-buster, which helps a lot
there's also just a lot of party damage if other people don't kill adds or do mechanics right, so then the healer is busy and the tank goes down
grizzled crag
Reprisal, legs or feet better?
jagged pier
Legs
fluid wraith
just got 210 emitter (using that and sunking trink). worth upgrading to 220 or should i save for blood splattered scale?
jagged pier
Sunking isnt worth it tbh unless your really pushing keys, if u get scale you should run scale and emitter
fluid wraith
well im like 202 ilvl rn so the cheat is pretty handy
but yeah once im better and more geared ill prob drop it
mossy sluice
my 200 prot got butraped on last TOP boss :< the whole run was smooth af
you can spell reflect the tank buster
sharp mural
aha... any clue on spell name?
lofty widget
reaping scythe
sharp mural
ah dbm made me pop cds yeah
spiral perch
but reprisal is just a lot better
okay, thx 4 info
mossy sluice
yeah you should be able to sr every other one reliably
tired hawk
I can't loot again that fucking scale
I guess I'll upgrade emitter first
is it rly worth it ?
craggy pilot
guys, what class do i need to skip the Goliath before 3rd boss on Spires?
Monk & Priest can? what else?
lofty widget
rogue
craggy pilot
ah ok
tired hawk
inv pot ๐คก
craggy pilot
or shroud i guess?
sweet summit
ya sure
craggy pilot
why does Hunter/Druid/Mage/Shaman not work btw?
sweet summit
as a warrior you can heroic leap on the ledge
you get combat with those CC spells
only sap/prison keeps the mob out of combat
tired hawk
Erga are you pushing high keys ?
sweet summit
pretty much yeah
valid zodiac
You can actually skip even without heroic leap. Just gotta make the ledge jump in one go
tired hawk
Can I have you pwar name pls
tired hawk
tyvm !
jagged pier
its not fun anymore
True
limpid pawn
what io did you get to erga
limpid pawn
is warrior 1.6k like dh 2.1k?
sweet summit
i dont know 
sweet summit
cos its dps score :)
sweet summit
i am at least
limpid pawn
im going to be honest, reprisal doesn't feel good
it is better than before just because of uptime, but the way you have to change your play is yucky
feels clunky
fervent smelt
I loved it!
limpid pawn
i just want them to fix anger management back to what it was before
like the nerf was way too much
sweet summit
same
๐
idk at least put last stand back on AM
so we can get more unnerving value
with AM
limpid pawn
yo but all my guildies/friends are content w/ th is
sweet summit
would be neat
sweet summit
im fine with it being "bad" tbh
limpid pawn
i've been on my DH/monk more this season
as a result
but i got full tier 3 on my war, i need to flex on the poors
so i need prot war buffed again
fringe marten
poop.. guy asked me for a block tracker; so I duplicated out the part of my prot WA suite I use; just the block tracker. and Discord doesn't allow it to be sent; too many characters. How do you send it to someone if you can't send in game? (he's horde)
fringe marten
Right; but wouldn't I have to make an account or something to upload?
lavish oracle
If they wanna make this version of AM baseline, I'd be cool with it
lofty widget
could also paste it in a notepad and send that file
stiff bear
Iโm getting nowhere near the block uptime I should, still nice to charge into a pack and start blasting with SB up ๐ korayn NF tanking 15s and beat bad dpsers haha
fervent smelt
Pastebin is also a solid resource for that
jagged pier
Its takes a while to get used to, it took me 10 runs to get 80% and that was me really trying i did a commentary of my first run with it as requested by some people in here and that was with the 6 secs buff, and umit was far easier to play with 6 secs and took less effort. Ither i still love it
tender carbon
i've been on my DH/monk more this season
A charge / intervene macro helps it feel smoother so you can just press it in melee (assuming at least one is in melee), at least for me
jagged pier
Was really fun doing hc run for logs and working with my co tank so i could run out and charge and stuff
quick elk
why does Hunter/Druid/Mage/Shaman not work btw?
Druid / Hunter can work, they stealth past and then use a passenger mount , to allow other to get up.
verbal pelican
prot warr raid, kyrian - kleia or pelagos?
fringe marten
ah..chimmi I think that might be the play
jagged pier
prot warr raid, kyrian - kleia or pelagos?
Kelia sims higher
sweet summit
poop.. guy asked me for a block tracker; so I duplicated out the part of my pro...
pastebin
limpid pawn
true pastebin is the big brain play
remote hawk
ilvl left-> right 220,213,210,203,200
using the Hakkar one no matter what. But what would be another good one to use with it ? Been using the stonelegion so far since ilvl
crisp dragon
Kelia sims higher
Does Kleia actually Sim for more? Must be execute phase with crit
primal mauve
Hey how can i make a macro so that it throw the spear of bastion over whoever im targeting?
instead of having to aim
jagged pier
Does for me was quite a lot higher and like 1 dps more with PV over ashen, and i ended up 2nd over all for prot warriors in hc i dont know what the guy above me was running tho, and i had a few bad fights like shreik and Sire where i had to actually play defencsive, but in practicality probably closer than simc and i would say for keys and to be defensive always take pelagos @crisp dragon
primal mauve
aww that sucks
crisp dragon
I actually also refrain from cursor macros in wow, something just doesn't sit right for me
shell hare
Idk if you play fire mage in m+ flamestrike @ cursor is very useful
primal mauve
how to do it at myself?
shell hare
Something like spear tho you should take the time and aim
@karmic rivet
Dude wtf are these tags lmao @ player
floral pewter
Spear is small enough that I don't like @stoic erminesor for it, too easy to miss
poor Cur, blowing up his mentions
I use a macro like this: /cast [mod: alt] Spear of Bastion; [@karmic rivet] Spear of Bastion
shell hare
Poor player
floral pewter
then I can hardtarget if necessary, or drop it at my feet easily if stuff is gathered or it's a boss or etc
shell hare
Itโs small tho you might miss
Feels batman if you miss it
If you played dk and spam DND I get dropping it at your feet
floral pewter
it's big enough for @karmic rivet to hit anything in melee range
just not much beyond that
hollow pine
banner makes my guildies crazy, saw a boomie fall over with chains going for my banner
me, banner ready, he forgot everything
tribal whale
hi, 1 questions DoS Muh'zala, the "green punchis " tank need soak?
queen reef
so in the pins I see mention of The Wall and Reprisal, but in the FAQ I see Thunderlords recommended for M+ -- is Thunderlords still competitive / preferred, or is that out of date?
blazing condor
ya boys reckon its worth to upgrade every new plate piece from m+ you get with valor to 220 if you got lower?
like just straight off the bat to get the upgrade or save the valor for better pieces
floral pewter
definitely save, valor upgrades are expensive
upgrading 1 piece from 210 to 220 is 1-3 weeks of valor depending on slot
sweet summit
prioritize bigger slots like shield, weapon, trinkets
blazing condor
yeah thats what i feel
i got a pair of 213 gloves rn and got the 210 ones with kinda shit stats
feels a bit wasteful to upgrade everything you get
id rather try and go for the 220 scale
vocal cave
how come?
blazing condor
a lot of high rio people are spamming lower keys to get trinkets like IQD or scale or whatever
unique shale
lol
blazing condor
meaning that as a pugger its incredibly easy to find a great group with overqualified people
vocal cave
still tanks are in high demand
blazing condor
like why would you take someone with the appropriate score for a key when someone with +300 rio applies as well
unique shale
tanks are always in high demand
but lately i seen a lot people going for mata gang for 15 keys
urban tusk
well... yes and no ... in +15 and higher i often times have trouble getting accepted as a prot pala. many groups ONLY want vengeance dh
got 1k35 rio and ksm, with 218 ilvl. just as an info
blazing condor
ive had more luck getting into 17+s than 15s
people just wanna spam the highest pos ilvl rewards
unique shale
ive had more luck getting into 17+s than 15s
i never been in any good 16 or 17 group since people were dying on bosses last week
blazing condor
its a grind
urban tusk
people always want boomkin, vengeance dh and resto - believeing this is the baseline to even have the chance to time a key
last mason
jesus trying to farm 15s is not worth dealing with the people who play at that lvl normally
unique shale
lol
urban tusk
I timed some 16s, but ye. most of the 16/17 keys were bad and the people entitled af
unique shale
i had 13 run were people in group told me slow fuck down
urban tusk
naaaaah,, they dont suck its "tank bad wtf" ๐
unique shale
yeah tank wtf
urban tusk
tank pull more ... tank pull less ... i pulled and died, wtf tank xD
unique shale
urban tusk
sorry, I had too much pugging the last weeks haha^^
blazing condor
fuck it pull everything in ardenweald and have the bolster be like a trillion
fringe marten
This valor thing is honestly kind of a joke, if their goal was AND ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HAVE BEEN to make it similar to what the pvp vendors give. For the same time/effort/quality of play..it's not even REMOTELY CLOSE. It's still way better and easier to gear through pvp...so what exactly what the point here guys(blizzard)?
urban tusk
ah ye, they demand gigantic pulls to nuke down the low health mobs and flame the tank when you get oneshot by the gigantic behemoth high health minion they created xD
last mason
valor is only good for the shitters who get carried by the good players who do low keys now
blazing condor
i also dont know what they were thinking giving the same amount of valor for every keystone level
make it cost less but make lower keys give less
fringe marten
I don't know what they were thinking PERIOD. The POINT was to allow targeted focused gear upgrades, PER THEIR OWN statements before SL hit. (was their intention with the vault) So if their goal was to make pve gearing better, what people were complaining about was how 'rare' it is to get the item they want from M+, and then getting it at a strong iLevel comparable to end top tier equipment.
unique shale
ah ye, they demand gigantic pulls to nuke down the low health mobs and flame the...
just Interrupte it bruh ๏ฟผ
fringe marten
So...? You still have to get the item to drop in the super crappy 2 items per dungeon system..It has to be the item YOU want, and if you don't get it; the person who did has to be able and willing to trade it to you IF they are even eligable for that item type.
unique shale
I don't know what they were thinking PERIOD. The POINT was to allow targeted fo...
i hate it they are killing one of end game activity
fringe marten
Then once you get it...it's an insane amount of grinding to raise it up to it's max possible ilevel of 220.
unique shale
i donโt wanna waste 3h on each mythic raid bosses why should i get punishe for it ?
fringe marten
?! The pvp vendor is STILL "do a moderate amount of work; push up your rating to a level that is not at all difficult to achieve..not at ALL"
unique shale
wow wasnโt for pvp in first place
fringe marten
Then; if you don't already have it..do a little more pvp and TADAAA you get the item you were working for the whole time. You know..you are REWARDED. and it FEELS REWARDING "AHH awesome..I'm gonna' go to oribos now and get the BiS trinket every mage in the game says I need to use.."
Cool..grats. Now it's still "oh my god..let me smash my face into this dungeon over and over and over and over in the hopes I can get the item I want. Before the grind of upgrading it can EVEN BEGIN"
?! I don't understand..I really honestly don't. Why can't they have a modicum of a spine..and just say "we want gearing through pvp to be easier because we want more people to do pvp, that is our intention. period..we do not like gearing through M+"
Just..have a pair..SAY it.
Because otherwise the appearance is that they absolutely no clue what they are doing, and are thoroughly out of touch with what people say when they want pve gearing to be 'better'.
tardy parcel
i also dont know what they were thinking giving the same amount of valor for eve...
Tbh it's kind of been relaxing with that setup. I can dick around with my guildies who run dinky keys and not feel like there's absolutely nothing in it for me lol. Can just run in, stomp some derpy keys, get valor, everyone profits
acoustic apex
The perfect system does not exist simply because perfection is idiosyncratic. Impo were moving in the right direction, no more loot piniata bfa bozo endgame and even more avenues to target specific gear now. Impo they can keep tweaking and reiterating from here and it'll hopefully keep moving forward. Design, and good design at that takes time.
haughty sleet
Everything would be fine now if pvp gear wasnโt easy to get and also somewhat bis for some classes
inland mesa
The equivalent would be valor to buy an item and then another currency for upgrading to be similar to honor. Valor for timing a dungeon, honor equivalent from completion
blazing condor
justice points coming back? pog
inland mesa
15s to 220, 18s or 20s or something to 226 kinda thing. Then you could grind what you wanted
haughty sleet
Just switch covenants and spam low keys and get renown and valor
Makes it feel more worthwhile
unique shale
wet compass
Valor to buy a specific item which is capped weekly justice to upgrade it uncapped based on the achievement thing
blazing condor
just sell all your gear and buy the covenant set
then you can grind the 210 and get valor from doing it too
ripe seal
This Is a super late response, but I used reprisal on Sludgefist and IMO It worked fine. Charged the boss during stomp and Intervened a melee DPS If/when they were close
chilly brook
This Is a super late response, but I used reprisal on Sludgefist and IMO It work...
It's fine in heroic
mellow gorge
Lads lads
chilly brook
Less fine in mythic
chilly brook
Since you get chained to your cotank
ripe seal
It's fine in heroic
I did It on mythic, killed Sludge 2 days ago with It
chilly brook
Ah gotcha
mellow gorge
max lvl and ilvl*
chilly brook
Still kinda think it's not very useful on sludge but that's me
Since theres a lot of time that he actually gives you to get your shield blocks back and a lot of baits for shield block casts
charred siren
@mellow gorge https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26#metric=dps&dataset=95&class=Druid&spec=Guardian&boss=2398 You will probably get the best answer from warcraftlogs, this one is for shriekwing, you can check others aswell
ripe seal
That Is true yes, but I did not have to use as many IP's as I had to when I used The Wall, I found that kinda nice
mellow gorge
ah ty
ripe seal
It was incredibly nice**
dapper coral
You definitely can make Reprisal work on M Sludge
But you definitely also don't need to
You can have nearly perfect coverage of SB/CDs without it
I did M Sludge this past week as a 216 warrior and I think I only took 1 hit outside of some form of DR
Then my co-tank planted on the final stomp and didn't communicate it
auto Forgeborne
civic fox
someone gimme the 3 bullet point guide to tanking as prot in m+
i am forced to do it for phial ๐ฆ
chilly brook
I did M Sludge this past week as a 216 warrior and I think I only took 1 hit out...
Yea there might be a few unblocked hits here and there but it's literally one hit and then you get a huge gap of not being hit after
chilly brook
someone gimme the 3 bullet point guide to tanking as prot in m+
Block things that can be blocked
Use avatar on CD
Shield slam on CD
chilly brook
Revenge for aoe damage
Thunderclap for CD resets
That's about it
IP if you need it
ripe seal
Yeah you can definitely go without Reprisal on Sludge and still have really a really good block uptime for sure
dapper coral
M Sludge was cool actually. Dump SB charges, put CDs on CD, collect 105 anime.
chilly brook
Otherwise more revenge
chilly brook
is it anything like legion prot
No
chilly brook
Block>IP
civic fox
or can i get away with signet
dapper coral
not a must, but definitely the best overall
ripe seal
is reprisal a must
No It's not really a must, you generally want to go with The Wall for most fights Imo
civic fox
well it would basically be signet rank 4 or reprisla rank 1
chilly brook
No It's not really a must, you generally want to go with The Wall for most fight...
Hes talking m+
civic fox
m+ only
chilly brook
In which case reprisal over wall
patent osprey
Seismic > all
dapper coral
seismic is my almost next craft
chilly brook
Seismic > all
If you can survive*
patent osprey
if you play seismic with bolster, living is really not that bad
civic fox
nice my legs are ass
strong forum
Or haste crit if you're a pumper
ripe seal
Haste + Vers or Haste + Crit, depends on If you want more survivability or more DPS
void slate
Holy shit ๐ฎ
scenic elbow
Leveling a prot warrior, mainly for pushing keys. Should I go NF or Necro/Kyrian?
indigo knot
Hows necrolord @patent osprey
ripe seal
Leveling a prot warrior, mainly for pushing keys. Should I go NF or Necro/Kyrian...
I'd personally say Kyrian, but I haven't tried NF or Necro In M+ so I'm a bit biased / Ignorant
strong forum
NF is pump
Necro is overhyped
void slate
I went necro because all my other toons are either kyrian or nf and i couldn't bear another
ripe seal
Actually scratch that, I did some M+ on my Main who I swapped to Necro earlier today, It was meh. I still prefer Kyrian over Necro In M+ though
chilly brook
NF is pump
Necro is overhyped
Ran wit one as a dps and like I said would have had 0 idea he pressed his button it he didnt have a yell macro
patent osprey
Necro is.... ass to play... I don't really enjoy it at all compared to NF. But, Im still getting used to it. And its also cause im learning reprisal at the same time, so everything feels off. I also need to try it on a fort push week before I can make a clear analysis
chilly brook
I really dislike reprisal tbh
patent osprey
I really dislike reprisal tbh
I still prefer the wall tbh
void slate
I've had a BM hunter who used that disgusting trap + flare lego. Everything feels good after that shitshow
chilly brook
I still prefer the wall tbh
Kinda feel the same after running that spires last night
patent osprey
4sec reprisal feels *alot* weaker than 6sec
I agree
strong forum
I can't manage more than 70% uptime rn on Block without going HARD on trying to weave in charges
scenic elbow
Alrite, thanks for the answers!
patent osprey
Yeah i think its litk 75-80% Max if you play like a degen
chilly brook
Well the thing is
patent osprey
but even then, its almost bad playing like that
chilly brook
I think that reprisal has shown me anyways
strong forum
And keep in mind im playing with 30% haste and 226 anime emitter
chilly brook
Is that when I'm in trouble it's not because of a lack of block
strong forum
So I have a fuckton higher SB uptime just by default
strong forum
I never have to kite, only due to bolstering
So that's a +
Only when a pull fucks up
chilly brook
Maybe I'll feel differently next week with fort
But rn
I'm still full send on wall
strong forum
I absolutely prefer reprisal and everything, but it was muuuuuuch easier to play with 6sec instead of 4
Can still manage insane amounts of block uptime
chilly brook
I had block up the whole time for a lot of pulls
But also
Didn't feel like it helped me all that much
Because it was dumbass shit that wasn't a melee that would be the problem anyways
strong forum
I barely use SW
I sit on it for like 6mins straight
Even with AM
Cuz nothing slaps
mellow patio
Dark lash ๐ฅด
strong forum
Fuck dark lash
chilly brook
Dark lash ๐ฅด
Big facts
strong forum
Did 3 soas today
chilly brook
Fuck that "spell"
Fuck all spells
mellow patio
Blizzard: let me Introduce this pack with a spell that kicks your shit in, is unpredictable af, and donโt even think about interrupting it because the other stuff these packs cast will kill you
strong forum
Wanna know what I hate more?
Storming
Storming + reprisal
Is just....
Kill me
mellow patio
Storming is the worst affix in the game do not try to change my mind
dark lark
Blizzard: let me Introduce this pack with a spell that kicks your shit in, is un...
And goes and one shots everybody in your party except you
strong forum
Storming is in fact the worst affix
Everytime I intervene my rogue
It's into a storming
FUCK OFF
mellow patio
Purely designed to annoy the shit out of you
dark lark
Imagine wanting to intervene your party member for extra shield block uptime and then you're suddenly in the stratosphere
void slate
Storming is the worst
mellow patio
What about dark lash and storming
strong forum
All I wanted was my SB from intervene
mellow patio
See you later
strong forum
Storming on 1st boss
Soa
Mid charge, knocks up you in the beam
Enjoy your 4 stacks
Other boss slaps you in the back
mellow patio
Overhead slash
strong forum
Eyir cocks
gilded tendonBOT
mellow patio
Dead
mellow patio
Yeh I will run my 4 15s and call it a week
strong forum
Pulling the 5 wyrm pack
mellow patio
Not the wyrms
chilly brook
Smh only EU players would
mellow patio
Please kick them vro the poison
void slate
"Don't get penissy kid!"
indigo knot
Necro is.... ass to play... I don't really enjoy it at all compared to NF. But, ...
Even after getting used to it, feel like youre going back to NF?
I hqve alot more fun on NF, was considering the swap but doubting its use comparatively
ripe seal
I hqve alot more fun on NF, was considering the swap but doubting its use compar...
Have you tried NF In raids, how Is It like?
chilly brook
I hqve alot more fun on NF, was considering the swap but doubting its use compar...
Wdym doubt its use comparatively tf
NF is goated in keys
amber herald
is it confirmed the dmg for dps from banner beats the damage we lose from AA/spear?
strong forum
NF is max dmg for us, going to NL makes you lose 400+ dps, which is exactly the gain that banner grants other teammates total.... Not worth
amber herald
hmm ๐ค
obtuse bane
necrolord will give dps more burst in burst windows however which is more important than overall dps
indigo knot
Well i personally run double boomy, and the thought of banner affecting two convokes brings the personal group increase up a bit compared to some other groups
patent osprey
@strong forum your only considering that as ST not AOE. Mage ignite mastery is alot more dps than 200
strong forum
Only in huge aoe pulls with strict coordination it might be worth
But everywhere else, it isn't
Mages ignite does fuckall in aoe
patent osprey
yeah but can't look at it like 400 dps for war = 400 dps for party
its not as linear ^.^
strong forum
Ofc not
But it's very likely not worth the effort to play around it
Outside of niche situations like sludge dmg bonus Windows
And massive pulls with classes that properly benefit off of mastery
dark lark
Is it at all possible to get aoe sims? Maybe like a 40 second 5 target with and without lust??
modern brook
smh
dark lark
โค๏ธ
dark lark
LOL
modern brook
i just had the link
chilly brook
Thanks Mwahi for not pinning my post with it before his
chilly brook
Realistically if banner was as good as people think it is it probably would be being used in MDI
patent osprey
uh not really
there's so many other considerations in mdi
mass grip alone can carry a tank in mdo
mdi
ocean bloom
i would think our AOE taunt would be pretty op in MDI scenario
chilly brook
Which is one of the reasons DH is so good because it buffs the current DPS meta
strong forum
i would think our AOE taunt would be pretty op in MDI scenario
They have spb / feldev for aoe taunt :)
Spb is entirely uncapped
ocean bloom
yeah just do more dmg ezclap
unique shale
therefor we should aoe cap warriors 
chilly brook
Just one of those things, if it was as good as it's being made out to be in keys then we'd see it somewhere
strong forum
Well to be fair
chilly brook
Not necessarily all over the place
strong forum
The patch hit 4 days ago
chilly brook
but somewhere in that
strong forum
People still need to figure out the value of shit
unique shale
patent osprey
u think bannering as a tank is aids... imagine trying to dodge a tank and healer as a dps war with you banner
chilly brook
People still need to figure out the value of shit
Feel free to throw this in my face if it happens
patent osprey
I tried it... it never works
red swallow
i put my banner on because it looks cool 
mellow herald
Does anyone know if there's a macro that can activate "Raise Banner" when "Conqueror's Banner" is cast and then deactivate "Raise Banner" when the 15 sec duration is finished???
red swallow
And i get big 
strong forum
@patent osprey idk if you have this yet but I asked a friend to make a WA cuz I saw the one on Tuesday on your stream not really being useful
patent osprey
tbh once the banner is down, it's all useless LOL
it's just fun to know
I need a wa that tells me who the closest 2 people are
flat marten
I think I might go condemn for pvp; pressing condemn in m+ is trolling right?
dark lark
@patent osprey does your team like it? You run with a boomy/fire mage right? I'm running with some rotation of mm hunt, outlul, enhance, and ww. Feels like it's not worth it for me to go Necro
And if I'm main tanking raid, I have to get out of position to give it to our boomies/locks or just let my off tank hold it longer
Or, I intervene our top boomy and then some other people standing on him get the buff instead lol
patent osprey
banner in raid is like impossible
I've tried
I'd you don't have a mage I don't think banner is worth tbh, boomy gets alot out of it but it's awkward to forcefully play around a 3 min cd
flat marten
Man venthyr is so bad for prot this sucks lol
strong forum
I need a wa that tells me who the closest 2 people are
That's exactly what it does
Hence why I asked him to make it
patent osprey
like before I use the banner?
patent osprey
aight I'm down
ty I'll take it later tongiht
can someone dm me that wa...
I'm not at home lol
civic fox
anyone got an up to date prot warr guide or vid handy
is the wowhead one recently updated?
patent osprey
ty @strong forum
strong forum
Icy veins should be updated on mostly everything
Wowhead isn't updated on every part
Haven't checked really
signal gust
Even with the reprisal nerf is it still going to be BiS with served cold in M+?
unique shale
Man venthyr is so bad for prot this sucks lol
i mean i used to be venthyr tank it is good tbh with door
in pug where people donโt dare to help you kite it is so useful plus more single target damage
flat marten
i mean i used to be venthyr tank it is good tbh with door
Which soulbind did you use? Draven?
unique shale
no draven is a meme soulbind for prot war it is only good for prot pala and dk
run first soulbind all way down
floral pewter
Ravager or unstoppable force when u running reprisal and anger management?
One Ravager does more damage and generates more rage than a UF Avatar, so even with AM reducing the cooldown of avatar to ~45 seconds, Ravager is still better
eager lake
makes sense
floral pewter
at least with AM it's kinda close; at twice the cooldown UF was just laughable
eager lake
It's also good synergy with booming voice I guess
floral pewter
if you have Thunderlord
yeah I could see a place for UF if Thunderlord were still meta
alas
floral pewter
50% uptime on Avatar is amazing
eager lake
I suppose that UF will scale better with more haste
floral pewter
sure, and more haste will mean more AM cooldown reduction
so there could be a break-even point eventually
eager lake
I only havve 15% haste with 31% vers
maybe UF in 2 tiers
lol
I didnt try best served cold yet
does it outdamage booming voice that much ?
unique shale
I only havve 15% haste with 31% vers
with that haste get booming voice ๐
eager lake
Booming voice will def make the ravager even bigger
flat marten
no draven is a meme soulbind for prot war it is only good for prot pala and dk
Unfortunately I think I'm going to be the first soulbind for arms pvp
unique shale
Unfortunately I think I'm going to be the first soulbind for arms pvp
take right side and go all way down
it shouldnโt interfere with your arm build ๏ฟผ
if you cannot work it out mad doke is usefull too
oak heart
anyone got a good place to get good mdt routes?
flat marten
take right side and go all way down
Oh you're right, thank you!
keen bramble
a question concerning the necrobanner, is it group or raidwide? so cn you somewhat cheese who gets it if they are i nyour group or is it just proximity?
eager lake
2 closests allies
potent fulcrum
so what has been changed about the reprisal legendary, i saw there were bugs and such. was it just made to give 4 seconds of shield block instead of 6?
keen bramble
i know its the 2 closest, thats why i ask, sicne if that is the only way it works, the value in raids is clsoe to 0....
the only fight i see to put it reliably on mages/booms is sludge where i can do whatever on the pillars
dark lark
so what has been changed about the reprisal legendary, i saw there were bugs and...
On PTR it was 6 seconds, then they nerfed to 4 seconds. Then when the patch released on live retail, it was bugged and giving 6 seconds
So it just got fixed to properly be 4 seconds as we anticipated from the most recent ptr build
flat marten
It's still good at 4 pretty sure
dark lark
Yup
verbal viper
anyone else keeping an eye on warcraftlogs for our m+ performance after the buffs?
literally in the same spot this week as 2 weeks ago
little herald
Hello, i roll up the conversation, but i cant find the answer: what the best soulbind and traits for necrolord prot?
sorry if answer before
gentle trout
with AM do we want to press shield block during last stand now
dusty warren
what are the talents for m+ with reprisal guys? 3-3-1-1-2-3-1? My doubt is about the lasts 2 tiers between UF or Ravager and Bolster or AM.
dark lark
Hello, i roll up the conversation, but i cant find the answer: what the best sou...
Emeni and Bonesmith are both really good.
dark lark
what are the talents for m+ with reprisal guys? 3-3-1-1-2-3-1? My doubt is about...
Reprisal uses Ravager and AM. unstoppable force is a shell of it's former self
young oasis
Farmed both new versions of Blood Scale and Phial in one night. Mega lucky
dark lark
Farmed both new versions of Blood Scale and Phial in one night. Mega lucky
Must be nice to be privileged :(
young oasis
Guildy ww monk got Blood Scale, told him to go prot loot
little herald
Emeni and Bonesmith are both really good.
hmmmm, thx.
little herald
Farmed both new versions of Blood Scale and Phial in one night. Mega lucky
i never see this scale, for me, this item is a collective delusion
dusty warren
@dark lark ty
sick sentinel
Hey, what's the current talents to use for m+ ??
craggy harness
sigh. i wonder if all the tanking class guides could maybe start adding a note about taunt immunity
I just got "schooled" by a 5/10 N VDH for not keeping threat in lfr sire
and then accused of trolling when i mentioned over taunting
unique shale
what is the best Prot Soulbind setup?
first Soulbind right and all way down or left all away down
jaunty vector
man venthyr just feels so useless for pto
prot
I want to swap but I hate playing fury in raids
chilly brook
man venthyr just feels so useless for pto
Are you prot in raid?
mighty valley
what am I looking at here
mighty valley
is this saying the highest parsing venthyr prot is ilvl 222?
chilly brook
No that's just the parse I just did
Idk if it's the best Venthyr parse
Really the point is that Venthyr is far from being bad for prot
elfin nova
I don't see how venthyr helps you bad on the p1 adds
mighty valley
oh this is just a whoosh moment
chilly brook
It doesnt @elfin nova
elfin nova
that's how you parse on sire right
chilly brook
But you can condemn almost the whole fight
Most of p1
Practically all of p2 by condemning remornia
And most of p3
And condemning remornia isn't padding because it's tied to sires health
Filtered to boss damage
mighty valley
inspirational
mighty valley
Do yall run Bolster or AM for Denathrius these days
outer solstice
chilly brook
Am
dark lark
yeah, the stupid sword hits you like twice and then runs off to narnia to impale someone
mighty valley
https://castle-nathria.subcreation.net/protection-warrior-sire-denathrius.html this site suggested bolster was popular but that struck me as a coward's move
elfin pebble
Has anyone gone Cucklord I mean Necrolord yet?
mighty valley
jesus christ
elfin pebble
I mean he did rise from the dead and would be considered a warrior
so he would probably be Necrolord
elfin nova
I will probably go necrolord for next tier if i end up playing warrior but I'm just sitting kyrian right now
The whole system just sucks i want to play fury and i also would want to still be kyrian for m+ if i do go necro for raid but i just don't get to have it that way
pure sun
Yo bois I'm looking to swap to venth from kyrian, I'm currently hesitating as I'm hardcore MTing on mythic SLG and Im wondering if its a pretty major defensive damage reduction mistake if I swap off kyrian
Does venth provide any sort of defensive benefits?
plush tendon
Does venth provide any sort of defensive benefits?
The soulbinds are pretty good for Prot with options of EHPS with Draven or general purpose with Nadja and Theotar. Condem is good in ST situations since it does big damage and provides a effective 70% IP per cast on a single target
pure sun
I see, would you be looking to changing the rotation to make sure shield slam and thunderclap on cd and then condemning between?
sage brook
Any prot keys streamers can you guys recommend
somber wren
The whole system just sucks i want to play fury and i also would want to still b...
Just go NF instead to pump dps as fury or prot.
torpid hill
Any prot keys streamers can you guys recommend
plkatv of course
I'd just like to share that I got KSM tonight, after like 6 or 7 SD pug attempts over the last two days
prot warrior is a blast
wet compass
heroic or mythic?
tranquil edge
Anyone know how much less dmg Spear of Bastion does beyond 5 targets?
chilly brook
heroic or mythic?
Says in the picture heroic, I no longer tank mythic since I joined a different guild as a fury boi
Doesn't change much tho
Condemn is still an IP replacement in the fight that has the added benefit of doing damage
wet compass
yeah for sure just missing the phial
was more wondering because mythic is probably more competitive now than heroic seems like a lot of people aren't even bothering with heroic parse lording like they used to
mossy sluice
Anyone know how much less dmg Spear of Bastion does beyond 5 targets?
not 100% on this but im pretty sure spear is one of those square root scaling abilties. so depends on how many mobs youre hitting
versed bough
How useful is the mastery in tanking M+?
tardy parcel
I'd just like to share that I got KSM tonight, after like 6 or 7 SD pug attempts...
congrats dude! props on sticking with it, it can be tough when you watch the same key fail over and over lol
torpid hill
thanks man
it's also crazy how few prot warriors are playing, I'm like 55nd highest IO on Illidan
plush saffron
they were written off at the start of the xpac
gleaming oracle
Hi guys! Im kinda new to warrior and have a question: are we tanky? Im currently maining BDK and doin 16-17keys, so tired of the spikyness and low dmg. Would you consider warrior a better choice or is kiting big?
chilly brook
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dapper coral
We still get wrecked by magic, but SB makes you extremely tanky against blockable damage
gleaming oracle
And most dmg in dungeons is blockable right?
chilly brook
prolly like 60-70%
dapper coral
Yup. Some keys things aren't, but a lot is
chilly brook
depending on dungeons
barren socket
dapper coral
Eh, its both short and you actually don't need that good of DPS because the borers carry half the trash
chilly brook
PF isn't nearly as bad when you use SR properly and cheese everything
chilly brook
Eh, its both short and you actually don't need that good of DPS because the bore...
this
gleaming oracle
Having a hard time deciding pala or warr....
chilly brook
Smh I probably woulda broke 5k on that key if I had been something other than Venthyr
gleaming oracle
Are you guys having a hard time getting into pugs?
dapper coral
Not particularly. DoS has been a little rough to get into because literally every tank wants it now.
vernal scaffold
A few days in, what do you guys think of Necro prot?
chilly brook
A few days in, what do you guys think of Necro prot?
overhyped
But that's been my stance the whole time
dapper coral
It's fine. Not better or worse than the rest
For me actually, i like fleshcraft more than banner.
It has a good niche now, as do the other signature abilities
vernal scaffold
Yeah I'm happy that it's up there now but I think I'll change back to something else before reset.
dapper coral
You do you. Really no wrong answer for Prot
vagrant cape
what are the recommended stats to put on reprisal? didn't see anything on it in the pins
lunar jackal
Haste vers
vagrant cape
tyty
jagged pier
But that's been my stance the whole time
โ๏ธ
quiet geode
the wall or reprisal for fresh prot warrior
jagged pier
depends if u plan on raiding and m+ i would say the wall first
quiet geode
with some keys in between
jagged pier
repirsal is hard to use to full effect in raiding
quiet geode
ok
jagged pier
and you dont really need the extra block
and u just cant use it on sludge
so if u want to raid the wall for the first one
jagged pier
get repirsal second tho as its stupid busted in keys when u get used to it
quiet geode
okay
amber siren
As long as you can make use of movement
jagged pier
in terms of mythic u cant use it on sludge
plush saffron
you can use it on sludge
jagged pier
u cant
plush saffron
u can, good chat
jagged pier
because the only target u can intervene
is the other tank
so u take 6 seconds of their melees
if u can use it i would like to see your log
plush saffron
you can intervene a dps when hes coming out of pillar or when you run out. If other player is at a certain distance u wont charge to them
amber siren
That seems like a very low uptime to get good use out of reprisal though
unique shale
tbh wall is better you can get 3 or 4 shield wall out of it
plush saffron
top log is using reprisal
one dude is even using leaper lol
he casted charge 17 times and intervene twice
shield wall once, the 2nd log casted shield wall 3 times
so he got 76s of shield block compared to 16s of shield wall
unique shale
you do what you do
jagged pier
i mean he also cast intervene twice so he didnt get full effect of the leggo
plush saffron
its what the top log does
unique shale
if i start moving around sludge my leader going to kick me out of group so it is easier with knowledge people then just stick to the plan
plush saffron
you're that cucked?
jagged pier
also a Chinese guild they do stuff the rest of us dont even consider or think about tbh
was also before they reverted it back to 4 seconds no?
covert sentinel
get excited about rerisal...go to a m+ dungeon. intervene for dat uptime. get smacked in the back be dead.. turns out i am not a smart brain^^
plush saffron
I think so, so he really had 114s of shield block there compared to 16s of shield wall
the 76s still beats 16 though
unique shale
untold moth
220 heraldry with 226 glut spike or 220 consumptive organ?
feel like glut is p lackluster
mighty valley
it's not great but organ is worse imo
chilly brook
get repirsal second tho as its stupid busted in keys when u get used to it
I'm still preferring The Wall tbh
jagged pier
๐คท
nocturne sandal
Does reprisal outclass thunderlord in m+ now?
chilly brook
But that's me
jagged pier
Does reprisal outclass thunderlord in m+ now?
yes even rank 1
chilly brook
I'm really just not a fan of Reprisal with how it plays
Like the effect is good
The way you get the effect sucks
Then again that was kinda a bad key to test it in
Spires
nocturne sandal
And you gotta sac storm strike if you wanna maximise it with double time
Nvm, i'm an idiot
jagged pier
i mean it took me 10 runs to get to 80% blocked hits
but i like it think its fun
but i liked momentum
chilly brook
I rrreeeeallly dislike using my movement for it
nocturne sandal
Kiting becomes an issue in higher keys i'd wager
chilly brook
Depends on the key but a lot of the time I dont need to kite to begin with
jagged pier
โ๏ธ
mighty valley
overall I think it's cool, fun to have a new thing to optimize, wall was pretty brainless
jagged pier
i will say this reprisal requires a much higher requirement to play with 4 secs instead of 6
keen maple
do i just only use rage on ignore pain?
jagged pier
eh?
mighty valley
still getting used to it, just did a plaguefall where i wasn't used to not having Intervene up when a bomb was gonna go off lol
keen maple
idk how to play prot ive been spamming revenge but im assuming that isnt correct
mighty valley
spamming revenge is good
sullen quartz
mm i ve been testing reprisal legendary and droping bolster to pick up anger management, is kinda tricky to use but i find it duable at least at keys in range of 16-17
jagged pier
are you using shield block?
keen maple
yes
jagged pier
then seems fine
mighty valley
there are times for IP but most new warriors spend way too much on it, so you're starting from a good place
chilly brook
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Spamming revenge does well for me
Fucking was doing 14k on some mobs in mists
jagged pier
did well for me too ๐คท
nocturne sandal
AA?
chilly brook
Ancient Aftershock
nocturne sandal
How's banner doing?
brittle owl
simping
but like, 400iq simping
need to hyper coordinate in keys with it
in raid idk how good it is
nocturne sandal
I stuck to kyrian, couldn't be asked to build up necrolord on a third character
brittle owl
seems like it's a huge hassle to play around it correctly to be worth
chilly brook
Its meh at best tbh
brittle owl
simps be simpin
lunar jackal
Did u switch our of nf griff?
chilly brook
People just wanted an excuse
lunar jackal
What are y using now?
chilly brook
Did u switch our of nf griff?
Been Venthyr for a while
But that's only because I became a dps for raid
Not because it was a better choice for prot
brittle owl
?????
chilly brook
And that wasn't running reprisal/BSC/AM btw
brittle owl
!
brittle owl
....
chilly brook
Revenge pipes
brittle owl
swiping low hp shit though
literally instagram feeding them
or like, male tinder experience
nocturne sandal
Griff, you running bsc or bv?
sullen quartz
are u using dps trinkets or scale and sthng else
chilly brook
Scale and heraldry
I'm sure if I was NF and running reprisal build it woulda been over 5k
jagged pier
yep @chilly brook
chilly brook
yep <@!133532617940140032>
lunar jackal
Ooof.
sullen quartz
dng, i prefer spear of bastion allows you to have a realiable way to kite in puggs
5.3k wtflux
jagged pier
im kyrian so higher actually with AA
lunar jackal
"look at the meters"
jagged pier
who the fuk does that?
jagged pier
yikes its big dam
nocturne sandal
Saving it saved my ass multiple times in yikes pugs
lunar jackal
So NF is highest aoe dam in keys?
wild sandal
man, everyone doing 4k+ overall and here i am stuck at 3.5 at best
chilly brook
man, everyone doing 4k+ overall and here i am stuck at 3.5 at best
More revenge!
wild sandal
ye i should do that 
sullen quartz
i dont trust my healers i just keep dumping rage 70% of the times in IP
chilly brook
tbh make your healers sweat a little
you'll find out pretty quick what they can handle
and more importantly you might surprise yourself with what you can
sullen quartz
ya prob i should i think im lacking a good addon trat shows my rage bar
lunar jackal
How big is the difference between AA and spear ? (Damage)
unique shale
going back to venthyr kyrain is not fun
unique shale
How big is the difference between AA and spear ? (Damage)
AA ?
lunar jackal
Ancient aftershock
solemn magnet
It's like a 200dps different iirc
stable kernel
solemn magnet
25 rage, snap aggro/dmg and a dot
solemn magnet
Locks mobs in the circle for 4 secs
gilded python
Hello all, I am looking for these two addons
amber siren
Those are both weakauras
jolly granite
The shield block one is in the pins
The other one you find on Wago.io - type kick timer
solemn magnet
Is that not the omnicd one?
chilly brook
just download omnicd
patent osprey
who is that sexy gamer
woeful trellis
In a +15 boost
@patent osprey can u link the wa for vortex / trees on the right side?
upper nest
Hi guys, I've been avoiding prot warr ever since shadowlands hit(playing VDH) and im doing 20s-21s rn in m+ and i wanna know how good is prot warrior's facetanking rn in m+?
nocturne sandal
You can mitigate the phys damage quite significantly but magic damage is quite annoying to deal with, if your group is not on top of interrupts you'll spike up and down pretty severely
upper nest
They are ok with interrupts yeah
Do you reckon it would be more worth to go Prot over VDH because of more facetanking uptime(more damage)?
nocturne sandal
If they are not, you'll burn a lot of rage on spamming ignore pain and your damage will suffer
jagged pier
no Dhs still do more damage even with kiting
also prot is a lot harder to play to get the same mitigation as a dh
even more so with reprisal
and that also removes the ability to kite to some degree
upper nest
I've played most of BFA as prot but i assume the mitigation is different rn
jagged pier
no but the skill requirement is a lot higher than bfa
upper nest
Fair enough
nocturne sandal
AM only works on shield wall and avatar now
jagged pier
because its not a mongo brain spec that has borrowed power to cover bad players
ionic nimbus
I think to get prot warrior back to meta we have to wait for 9.1 pro later content... we need more gear!!!
jagged pier
make like zero difference
sweet summit
jagged pier
we dont scale that hard
runic crown
Why run AM with Reprisal insted of Bolster?
jagged pier
because repirsal if played correctly gives u more blocked hits than bolster build does
by like 10-20%
sweet summit
you dont really need the extra sb uptime with reprisal
so you pick AM for more damage
nocturne sandal
You play UF AM for more damage instead of rav bolster
sweet summit
nocturne sandal
Really?
jagged pier
yes
sweet summit
yeah
jagged pier
rav/AM ๐
nocturne sandal
I thought it'd outdo rav with the tc buff
sweet summit
nah its still worse :(
sweet summit
jagged pier
heavy sail
Life is pain
nocturne sandal
Would playing with bsc and the revenge boost conduit make it more viable?
jagged pier
also UF makes rotation during avatar very clunky
u should be running with BSC already
sweet summit
dunno
jagged pier
sweet summit
SoF isnt in simc so hard to say
but id guess UF is still worse
than ravager
in m+
nocturne sandal
I still like it since i hate when you don't get any ss procs
sand condor
u should be running with BSC already
Hold up we running BSC / AM?
nocturne sandal
But i don't do more than +15s and heroic nathria so i don't really care much about max parses
sand condor
nocturne sandal
What slot do you put reprisal on?
sweet summit
legs
sand condor
Legs iirc