protection

[flat marten]

I had the same question lol

[grand spruce]

What a tease. Itll still be more fun than the wall im guessing

[crimson vortex]

Is ITF for sure the go to for raid or rock rav / am always with the wall?

Also big question, if I run the wall do I want stalwart guardian AND brutal vit or do I want to rock 2 potency with stalwart? I’m venth and wondering if I should use “hold your ground”

[iron void]

it was supposed to go thorugh, but didn't. When patch went live it was still 6 seconds

[outer solstice]

the wall is actually quite a lot of fun

[azure smelt]

does shield block reduce the damage done from bleeds?

[modern brook]

Brutal vit sucks dont use it unnerving stalwart always regardless of legendaries

Show of force also sucks and you should only be using it if you're venthyr

[oblique garnet]

No

[copper lava]

nerf is tanking with a prot war at 161 ilvl in a 17 PF

[chilly brook]

It has been done @uneven mason

[inland mesa]

What mog is that

[past drum]

Are you on zuljin us. Always see ads for a guild with that name and laugh

[cursive osprey]

Pally mog from ToT or the one before in MoP

[solar cypress]

So they nerfed Reprisal. From 6 seconds of Shield Block to 4 seconds.

[rugged fog]

soo reprisal bad now? lol

[ebon wasp]

That's how reprisal was in PTR

Wasn't really a nerf since it should have never gone to live as 6 secs

[sturdy sable]

Still our best legendary

[solar cypress]

The Wall got dethroned?

[sturdy sable]

I knew if I didn't add a subtext about how the wall has uses and both are viable someone would ask lol

But imo you'll get more mileage out of reprisal now but you should have both

[solar cypress]

Well i ask mostly as a fresh 60

With baby's first soul ash

[sturdy sable]

As a fresh 60 I'd still craft reprisal

[solar cypress]

Undecided to get The Wall or something else

[sturdy sable]

Both are strong

Reprisal requires you to think about your skill usage

The wall is set and forget

[chilly brook]

It's only like 2 pieces of that

[tawny briar]

Which are you guys running now? I have Wall, thunderlord, and reprisal. Switch to reprisal after patch, had been useing wall

[sturdy sable]

I've been running reprisal

Worked decently well during SLG prog since I'm intervening pretty often anyways and there's alot to charge to

[tawny briar]

I'm mainly doing M+

[solar cypress]

Is Signet of the Torment Kings useful at all? Considering you can lower Avatar pretty well with the right talents. Kinda want something to translate outside well with a dps spec.

[sturdy sable]

Signet is mostly used to parse as prot it doesn't offer anything of value defensively

[solar cypress]

Thank you for your input. I appreciate it. I mostly stick to m+ and pvp on all my dudes.

[sturdy sable]

Reprisal for sure for prot

Arms has a couple of leggos it uses in PvP but I think it's mainly unhinged

Signet for fury and arms for pve

[marsh gate]

Is best served cold correct over booming voice with reprisal?

[mossy sluice]

yes

[marsh gate]

ty

[gentle notch]

Actually dealing decent, not competitive, but decent damage feels good haha

[bright salmon]

For Storming, should I kite back a bit or is it better to try an awkward little dance to avoid it?

[gentle notch]

Depends on the amount of melee you bring I guess as long as you can avoid it reliably

[bright salmon]

alright thx

[empty spindle]

After 5.0 release was the reprisal giving 6 seconds or 4

[marsh gate]

Its giving 4 in live right now. I think it was 6 initially and they hotfixed.

[glacial skiff]

So anyone have any good macros for intervene? Is there a way to target closest friendly player by chance?

[prime pasture]

I use a mouseover. You can also do target of target.

[glacial skiff]

I do both

Target of target would be useless tho since it would be targeting me lmao

[dense flame]

whats a good shield to go along with the throne of thunder lei shen set

[signal plover]

i just do mouseover (combo'd with charge on target) and focus for intervene

[snow harbor]

what is an acceptable amount of healing for a disc priest overall in a 15

cuz i felt scared for my life quite a bit more than i feel i should have been lol

[dapper coral]

Enough to keep the party alive

Not to be memey, but a Healer should keep people alive and do damage when not doing that. When pug'ing, it's kinda hard to decipher whether or not they're bad

Sitting at 50% with some healers is safer than sitting at 100% with others

[lyric grail]

I use vuhdo, so I just shift+left click someone

[verbal viper]

#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge

wowhead and icy veins both recommend using show of force for m+, but folks here saying its bad https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-best-covenants-soulbinds-and-conduits

what you think

I guess whats why some use Kleia since our potency conduits suck, except for 1 - piercing verdict

maybe with the high amount of BSC revenge's it will be better now

[inland mesa]

Guide also says booming and ravager bolster....is thst still accurate with reprisal o.O

[verbal viper]

newp

[inland mesa]

What is it now, bsc, fray, am?

[verbal viper]

for m+ it is bsc ravager, am

catch u guys tomorrow

[wanton condor]

kleia seems kind of bad; you get an extra finesse which is nice but peggy at least brings some magic DR

with her I'd honestly consider going 0 potency for m+ and getting 3x defensives for some places

[next apex]

whoa is unbreakable will legendary granting an extra charge of Shield wall new? Thats actually kinda cool. Is it worth using tho?

[wanton condor]

nope

[woven trellis]

so

whats ur actual SB uptime now guys

when i started the legendary i was close to 60 and now im narowing it close to 70%

[woven trellis]

btw i love mikanikos tree

am i crazy

[dusky mica]

Yes! but they’re all shit so don’t feel too bad

[turbid cargo]

#1 M destroyer healing parse on a 6:57 kill with the wrong soulbind on

[plush tendon]

Is there a list of spell reflectsble spells

Just did a HoA, couldn’t spell reflect stigma to prevent debuff, but apparently ams worked for my dk the next one I did -_-

[sick sentinel]

Best Race for M+?

Tempted on swapping to Vulpera

[plush tendon]

Race matters very little

And they all provide bonuses which are good

[sick sentinel]

Currently between Vulpera or Highmountain

[plush tendon]

Whichever you think is coolest

I don’t like Tauren personally, they too big, and vulpera are kind of funny

[sick sentinel]

Join the UwU squad 😂

[plush tendon]

No reason not to

[royal birch]

I havent played much prot this tier, but im considering making the legendary. Which slot really is the best? I have access to all bosses loot

[jagged pier]

[hallow burrow]

Looking for some advice. 100% newb. How do I utilize Reprisal in M+? Like how do I get it to “work.” Do I just count on the initial charge in, and maybe intervene on a nearby melee in the group on CD? Also how often do I wanna try and press Ignore Pain? Starting to tank for a group of higher geared friends (Mythic Raiders,) and I feel I’m squishy so I’m constantly trying to get IP up and I basically ignore pressing revenge and prioritize shield slam and Thunder clap. I’ll hit shield block from time to time, too. I know this might be cringe but can someone offer some simple advice? Venthyr w/ reprisal. 209 ilvl

Note - Have a Disc Priest as our healer and I’m venthyr as I also mostly PvP outside the M+ runs I’m starting to tank for.

[royal birch]

Nothing in the pins lol

[fringe folio]

@hallow burrow by no means an expert, but SB has priority over ignore pain. With the new legendary you can run the AM talent instead of bolster unless you push seriously high content.

[jagged pier]

I miss read highest stats pieces

so head chest shoulders etc cant remeber them

[royal birch]

I'm probably going to just craft them as boots, I can get mythic SLG legs if i rng good

[sand pebble]

with reprisal it actually allows for charge > ip+free sb > and sb when it drops off. If anything, ip uptime should increase.

[jagged pier]

why would u want IP uptime to increase that means your not taking damage

means your not getting value out of it

[crisp dragon]

Jakey!!!!

Grammar please!

You are = you're

[jagged pier]

i dont do gramma

[sand condor]

Omg jake making grammatical errors

[mighty egret]

use all that free rage for more revenge's

[sand condor]

Also

Reprisal is so nice

[mighty egret]

its so fun

[sand condor]

It feels so good to tank on warrior again

I just made a intervene macro on a melee

[crisp dragon]

I can't wait to try it, too bad I first have enough for 235 in 2 resets since all of a sudden my weekly quest is just stygia now

[sand condor]

And it works like a chard

[mighty egret]

i use a mouseover for intervene

[jagged pier]

trying seimic out in a 14 fro fun right now

[sand condor]

LOL

Jake record it

[crisp dragon]

:revengepepe:

[sand condor]

Play the talent as well

Please do it for the meme

[near bridge]

Apologies for a lazy and noob Q, but the nerf to Reprisal that came yesterday is the one mentioned in the sticky right and not a new second nerf?

[crisp dragon]

WHY DO WE NOT HAVE A MEME USING REVENGE

[sand condor]

Call the valkyr

[crisp dragon]

Was just a bugfix

So yes

It was never intended to be 6 seconds, only 4

[runic crown]

Reprisal sill worth it after the nerf?

[sand condor]

Bruh its godlike

[crisp dragon]

Yes, it is

[sand condor]

[near bridge]

Thank you @crisp dragon

[sand condor]

It’s legit free stonks on rage

[rocky garnet]

sorry for kinda noob question but are there any insane spell reflects this expansion for dungeons? like junkyard oozes were and the fourth boss in waycrest?

im looking at reflect spreadsheet atm

[unique shale]

PINS

[lavish oracle]

Wyrms in spires can be pretty sick

[rocky garnet]

i know pins, i just wanted to talk about it lmfoa

[lavish oracle]

Stun as you see the first set of casts going out to line them up

And then reflect

[rocky garnet]

damn

thats sweet

[lavish oracle]

Easily hit like 20-30k DPS on the 5 packs

Not a ton of them this xpac though

Blizz is wary after they had so many in bfa, haha

[rocky garnet]

yeah was definitely my favorite part of playing war in keys lmfao

somoene in my sanguine said you could stand in third boss yellow circles and reflect? is that legit?

[lavish oracle]

Oh, maybe, I always use it for the burst to negate the dot

I'd imagine the circles are just a deflect

[rocky garnet]

yeah thatd be massive dam

[glacial skiff]

so in M+, is there any reason why i shouldn't macro /targetfriendplayer
/cast intervene to shield block?

does anyone see a potential way i could get fucked that way? this macro should target closest friendly player

[unique shale]

i got fucked by it

by facing back to the mobs

[lavish oracle]

Seems lazy, there are situations where you would want to save intervene to help get out of a pack or kite

I'm generally against macroing abilities together though

[gritty dagger]

There is also times you want the utility, mostly fixates in m+. Third boss in wake last in mists for example

[rocky garnet]

i use a charge/ intervene macro and the charge is based on my target if its enemy and my intervene is mouseover if friendly

which i like so far

[lavish oracle]

Oh, sure

I meant like macroing an ability to trigger when you press a different ability

[rocky garnet]

yeah thats bad

[lavish oracle]

Like how some people macro trinkets to avatar

[rocky garnet]

are you guys playing double charge now?

[lavish oracle]

Still using stormbolt, personally

[rocky garnet]

was wondering if it was more realistic with reprisal

[lavish oracle]

I'm sure it's not like the wrong choice to take double time or anything, but personally I value the extra utility from stormbolt over the slight bonus rage/uptime gain from double time

[median tulip]

Tried both; Double Time is smoother, gives you a better active defensive experience. Storm Bolt has the value of the ability to interrupt the non-interruptable. The utility of Storm Bolt depends on whether your party has other ST stun options.

And ofc whether you can trust your party to use those options

[rocky garnet]

yeah thats true

im starting to run with my old group cause i started up again over the last week

but theyre all geared as shit and im 200 lmfao

[jagged pier]

what is u want to sb but not intevene?

seems a bit dumb to me

like intevene is a seperate cd now dont macro it to the same button that gives u the benefit of intervening

[glacial skiff]

sure, but it basically makes intervene be a free sb charge basically

[lavish oracle]

It'd also absolutely fuck you on sludge, heheh

[glacial skiff]

thats why i was thinking it could be useful and easy to manage

well, it would only be for m+ nothing else

i do currently use mouseover macro for it but it would just be an easier alternative

[lavish oracle]

Stick with the mouseover

Don't build a bad habit for convenience

[jagged pier]

☝️

im actually so done with pugging jesus

[blazing condor]

yep

[jagged pier]

a paladin fire off his divine storm into mobs

so fuks up mobs count

then blames me and asks how i got my score

like what

🤷

[blazing condor]

it sucks how one extra/unplanned mob can fuck the entire key lol

i feel like rio score literally holds no value in this xpac because most people are garbo anyway

[jagged pier]

it just like why blame me when u cant aim your spell correctly

no my fucking fault your a mong

[blazing condor]

the amount of people who cant walk in this game is astonishing

"ok guys dont pull the patrol here"

• patrol gets pulled -

[keen oasis]

Wait for people complaining that you are running around too much to pop your leggo.

[blazing condor]

had melee complain that i was kiting too much making it hard to dps in a pack wiht like 10 bolsters

[crisp dragon]

Trying to gear up past ilvl 200 is terrible, not only do you have to pug, but you have to play with casuals

[sand condor]

Tank my keys then

[median tulip]

I have pugged precisely one key in Shadowlands and that was one too many. Guild runs are life.

[crisp dragon]

Does anyone know what the Stygia Dowser does from Ve'nari?

[median tulip]

It's for the mount

[wooden flicker]

hey, can someone tell me where u take routes for m+? at raider.io some bad routes i guess?

[median tulip]

There was an article on Wowhead yesterday I think

[gleaming dragon]

Just asking how prot warrior feels now with the buffs yay or nay?

[tropic quiver]

What is the best talent for warrior tank in m+?

[untold raptor]

Is BSC wort over BV

With repisal

[mild ruin]

yes

[untold raptor]

Gona try it, that BV rage vas always good, but i guess revenge dmg is better

[jagged pier]

well also if u use repirsal correctly u dont need the rage

[lime urchin]

dont tell mah team, but last night with my first steps into playing with reprisal I was rage starved for shield blocks more often than I dare to admit 😮

[jagged pier]

then u playing wrong i did hc last night and was overcappin glike a mofo

[lime urchin]

I am fully aware I was playing wrong

[jagged pier]

probs not charging and intervening enough

[lime urchin]

I am loving this legendary though, it is amazing!

aye, I have to practice charging and intervening much more.

but these first steps felt amazing

https://tenor.com/view/cat-vibing-vibing-cat-cat-vibing-dancing-cat-gif-18482815

[jagged pier]

https://giphy.com/gifs/emote-catjam-jpbnoe3UIa8TU8LM13

[red swallow]

Even tho im kinda dogshit i was tanking a 10 yesterday at 180 with almost no conduits, felt pretty nice

and the healer was 163 xd

[timber nest]

The reprisal nerf yesterday was a change that they had in beta but never pushed through right?

[lofty widget]

yeh

[empty spindle]

Anybody willing to share they’re PF bolstering storming and Tyrannical route ??

[glossy portal]

Warrior

Protection
    Reprisal (Runecarving Power) now grants 4 seconds of Shield Block (was 6 seconds).

seems they just hotfixed it

[empty spindle]

Yeah it was a hot fix

[remote tusk]

Lol, all these Leapquake powers in Torghast are great.

[solar spear]

Is AM still the play with the hotfix in high keys

[remote tusk]

I think so, yes, since it was the 4 second Shield Block on PTR

[void slate]

Is there a minimum range on interviene?

[remote tusk]

No.

[sand condor]

I have a macro that i target on a melee ib my group especially if they aggro from time to time

[hexed forge]

No, you can even use some form of nearest player intervene macro like this one

#showtooltip Intervene
/targetfriend
/cast Intervene
/targetlasttarget [help]

Quite handy

[sand condor]

Oh I like that

[void slate]

Holy shit that's amazing!

[pale briar]

hey, what is the best race for prot war, for tanking m+ please ?

[sand condor]

“Best” is a cointoss

[pale briar]

the most valuable

[jagged pier]

vulpera or dwarf

[sand condor]

Alliance: Dwarves (basically a kyrian phiall + str/dr bonus)

Yep horde vulpera

[void slate]

Goblin = master race

[sand condor]

Or tauren

Aoe stun / knockdown from tauren are great

[north rampart]

In torghast highmountian chaging into a second reprisal charge was nice, plus 1%vers is not bad eh

Want to see if it works in m+ now

[red swallow]

should i run bolster while im still a bit undergeared with dogshit haste? feels like my uptime is a bit lacking at times... probably just bad play tho

But i guess wouldnt hurt to be more defensive

[north rampart]

What is shield blocks CD with good haste?

[red swallow]

Idk i just assumed its lower lmao

im a healer so i dont know much

[jagged pier]

sb CD is reduced by haste

what leggo u running?

[red swallow]

reprisal

[jagged pier]

then u should never need bolster ever

[red swallow]

alright then i need to work on my play

[jagged pier]

u need to play properly with it like actively use your charges and intevene on cd

[red swallow]

i read here earlier intervene has no minimum range... i was inting so hard yesterday then

lmao

[jagged pier]

you should be intervening melee

or closest friendly

[remote tusk]

You can intervene allies targetted by ranged attacks such as a shooting enemy.

[hollow pine]

how much "worse" is into the fray compared to ravager for m+, the higher gcd compared to my brew feels like i have to slow down my brain sometimes

so i'd like more haste

[void slate]

Isn't it also viable to interviene ranged to get a charge back to enemy?

(If you do it fast enough)

[hollow pine]

i do that but not during prideful 😄

[void slate]

I read here yesterday something about not prio-ing thunderclap anymore, but been reading the linked guides and all of them mention pressing TC basically on cooldown, which is it? >.>

Sorry for the stupid questions, revisiting my warrior and these class discords have been extremely helpful for my efficiency

[strong forum]

If you're finding yourself close to capping rage, it's better to use revenge over thunderclap

Revenge itself hits harder than TC still

[void slate]

Ah, only in capping cases. Roger

[strong forum]

So during ravager I often forego the occasional TC cast

[north rampart]

How bad is Heavy Repercusions with Reprisal? With devastator you have a fair shot at getting a 6 or 7 second shield block every time you charge or intervene right plus a little extra rage

[forest fern]

I mean are they related in any way like that, i'm not sure charge resets your swing cooldown or anything

if you mean are they valuable together by the sounds of whats being said it would be overkill to have both

[north rampart]

Ah ok, better to work on pumping more once your shield block uptime is high enough?

[forest fern]

i mean if you have enough shield block than all heavy repercussions does for you is make 1 ability hit a bit harder, whereas anger management makes you have avatar much more often so all your abilities hit harder

[north rampart]

Just playing on target dummies something about addding extra second s to shield block gave me big dopamine

[forest fern]

so really if reprisal is giving you enough uptime, than heavy repercussions is purely for its dps benefit, which is minimal compared to AM

the problem with it is it is still based on the devestator system being good or bad and it can be either at any time

and the problem with HP is you need it to be good at a very particular time, ie a second or two into a new shield block. If it decides to play ball just as a charge is running its course then you have to delay shield block for its benefit and that just works kinda horribly

don't get me wrong on long tank fights like sludge for example where both tanks are always tanking, HR is great, but it requires those very specific circumstances, especially in a world we now have with reprisal. So a fight with constant tanking, and no ability to move around 🙂

[remote tusk]

1 ability hit harder? It just adds more Rage generation.

[forest fern]

doesn't it further increase the benefit of shield slam's damage, or am i thinking of another talent

oh yeah lol sorry, punish does that now

so yeah its even worse than it has no offense benefit at all

[remote tusk]

It used to let Shield Slam deal 30% more damage, but that was fused in with Shield Block by default now iirc.

[strong forum]

there were 3 different things

HR increasing SS dmg by20%
Punish increasing SS dmg by 20%
and SB ontop of that increasing SS dmg by 30%

[forest fern]

yeah i remember now, thanks for the reminder

i do find it kinda funny that an end level talent gives less rage to shield slam than "the wall" does

[tribal gust]

is necro the way to go for prot warr now?

[broken cedar]

for those catching up on renown, should you still hold off handing in souls and anima weekly?

[crisp dragon]

Why should you ever?

[remote tusk]

You will end up with too many souls anyways, so there is no real benefit.

[crisp dragon]

I've been capped on souls since week 5 or smth and I can never get any more than 1k Anima in my reserve lol

[forest fern]

i don't think you have any choice then with what to do with them

[restive wigeon]

I want banner off the gcd

[remote tusk]

I want everything off the GCD

[red swallow]

I want everything on the gcd

[median tulip]

Not necessarily. The buff to Necrolord has merely bought the covenant up to par with the others, it's competitive but by no means the only choice

[sick sentinel]

any tips for DOS big packs (starting circle area) ? i die too fast due to magic damage and bolstering

[timber nest]

Did the reprisal hot fix change anything or is it still really good

[craggy harness]

After being "demoted" to huntsman tank and discovering how much shoot hurts on mythic, am I better off using a 200 Anima Field Emitter instead of 213 Scale (with 220 vintage?)

[timber nest]

Probably not

Like anima field is good but the I level is stronk

[craggy harness]

Looks like i have goals for valor tho :/

(to at least test it later)

[timber nest]

Scale is really good too

I’m not a huge fan of vintage but I’ve also never gotten it and don’t like “super tanky” trinkets

[strong forum]

id use anime emitter

i dont even use ignore pain on huntsman anymore

[craggy harness]

There's no way to see when his shoot is upcoming, is there?

[timber nest]

His shoot is his melee

[strong forum]

whenever he isnt casting anything else

[timber nest]

So just look at his timers

[craggy harness]

Ah, for some reason, I thought he had a melee, and a shoot

[strong forum]

no he only shoots

[craggy harness]

rgr ty

[strong forum]

just have block up for a bunch of his stuff, when the raid is healthy you can delay using block a bit, use SW often if you need to

there is no reason to try to use block as much as possible when youre the only target taking damage

and theres nothing to heal

ykno

better greed it a few seconds and have block when theres more to heal than just you

[craggy harness]

Yeah, I just wanted to be a bit better... than i was in yesterdays kill. Probably save block more for that situation, or when i'm moving towards the shade kill and healers

and watch timers so i don't waste, like you said.

Just relearning after being dog tank in heroic is wierd lol

[median tulip]

Does he still stop his regular attacks when firing the red arrows on Mythic?

[strong forum]

yes

while hes commanding dog and casting sin seekers, he doesnt attack you

[median tulip]

And he's stationary for both, right?

[strong forum]

yes

[median tulip]

Thinking in terms of Reprisal on him

[earnest frost]

do the buffs change any talent builds for m+?

[strong forum]

you can defo pull off reprisal there

bsc + rav + am for m+ if youre running reprisal

if youre not running reprisal play as usual

[earnest frost]

is reprisal actually better than thunderlords now for dungeons? or is thunderlord still fine

[sweet summit]

reprisal is a lot better than thunderlord in dungeons

[earnest frost]

okay cheers

[atomic flicker]

Can you still block while channeling fleshcraft?

[strong forum]

yes

[median tulip]

I can't actually think of a situation where Thunderlord would be the best choice, now

[strong forum]

cuz it isnt

its 4th best

reprisal > wall >= thunderlord defensively for m+

seimsic > reprisal > thunderlord for m+ dmg

[median tulip]

Wall > Reprisal if you can't move for whatever reason

Maybe Magic Damage fights? More demo shout damage reduction with TL?

[slim basin]

What weapon oil do we use? damage?

[median tulip]

I use Stones tbh

[earnest frost]

how do i get the ash i wasted on thunderlords back lmao

fucking gg

[atomic flicker]

Have you tried eating it?

might fart some ash out

but seriously im surprised they havnt put in a recycle mechanic

[astral crystal]

why would they do that? think of all the fun time you could spend in torghast :^)

[strong forum]

on magic dmg fights youd just prio Wall

for that 50sec CD on SW

TL is only good if you have 100% uptime on 3 targets

[crisp dragon]

So happy I never made TL

[strong forum]

and on 3 targets seismic starts working 🙂

[crisp dragon]

But so sad I skipped so many weeks

[strong forum]

i only crafted TL week1

[atomic flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-no-please-no-gif-5026106

[strong forum]

then on week2 i perma played wall and never looked back

[jagged pier]

☝️

we be getting used to this now

[strong forum]

I'm not used to it cuz I only raided 1 night and did 1 dungeon so far

[jagged pier]

thats was my tenth dungeon this week and i only just feel like getting to grips with it tbh

especially after the 2 secs came off have to be far more prooactive about it

its really fun not gunna lie i loved the hc run last night like taunt swapping and charging around to make it work for damage anyway tha was really fun

[vocal cave]

is shield block or ignor pain more valuable on prideful?

[restive wigeon]

low stacks shieldblock

high stacks ip

also pop reflect at 15 stacks

walls like 2-3 hits

[queen blaze]

Thoughts on necrolord changes, still stick to Kyrian or would a swap be worth it. I guess for raiding it's kind of a mute point refardless

[strong forum]

Shield block

[strong forum]

It appears so that even if you're playing perfectly around necro, it's barely a gain

[delicate prawn]

Does the uptime on Shield Block for Reprisal change anything?

[strong forum]

You have to play better

That's about it

Raises the already high skill ceiling a few inches

[delicate prawn]

Aye, thanks!

[vocal cave]

dropping ilvl on main stat itiem slot is never woth it right?

[strong forum]

Generally not

[wet compass]

So the random torghast potion thing is pretty op for low geared chars

[queen blaze]

Go figure, the dmg buff across the board is nice though. We take those lol

[hearty quartz]

Reprisal is nerfed?

[sweet summit]

it got hotfixed

[blazing condor]

its down the originally intended 4 sec per charge/intervene

it was still 6 seconds on launch

[wooden spruce]

hey fellas, need some help here

Love being a war (i really do), and have used once on my old account since vanilla till Cata, after that came back at the end of WoD (long story short, old acount was stolen) and played there with my warr till on Legion i started my BDK. At the end of it i tanked with my warr and then due to work came back for the launch of nyalotha with war

Now im back but even when i love my war, know the rotations an chave tanked far enough, my bdk seems like a piece of cake, and im struggling to choose between both

So, what would you say about not going to my DK (strong point, love S&S)

[wet compass]

hmm tank notes hasn't been updated for mythic where's a good spot to get a quick tldr on swap numbers for the first 6 only done 2 but trialing with a 6/10

[jagged pier]

i mean every guild does it differently

like for instance i solo tank sunking pretty much

expect for gargoyles in last phase

alot of the taunt swaps are the same anywya

for hc

nothing new

[vocal cave]

having 25% crit block means Im crit blocking 25% of attacks or 25% of blocks?

[merry ocean]

25% of blocks

[stable kernel]

but if you have 125% block chance isnt it 25% of hits anyways

[scenic monolith]

what would be the best covenant paired up with the reprisal leggo?

[ornate agate]

guys is fae good for prot M+?

[stable kernel]

yes

[copper lava]

So got renown up on necro and dropped it for NF. Much happier.

[stable kernel]

im prob swapping to kyrian i have too many NF friends

necro feels ok but doesnt seem all its hyped up to be

or was hyped up to be

[copper lava]

Ya if i find a set group one day for keys push ill probably change

[copper lava]

Agreed

[stable kernel]

Agreed

[copper lava]

Lol

[fervent smelt]

I liked all the kyrian abilities, I just really don't like the covenant at all

[copper lava]

I'm having fun with reprisal tho

[copper lava]

Agreed

[stable kernel]

ive done a lot of nw this weeks

with no kyr buff

every mists and dos tho had 3 NF

[fervent smelt]

The two main heals I run with are both kyrian

[copper lava]

Eh it's not really needed in nw. But for SoA its super nice tho again as with NW nit until higher keys looks like

[stable kernel]

first boss on tyr with the orbs feels nice

without feels not so good

[copper lava]

Lol ya true true

Ja ja

I was pushing my key

Got SD. #feelsbadman

Now I might drop it low and hope for easier key with timing it

[bold wave]

I've been monitoring and checking out other warrior tanks and their progress in raid and I am still seeing mainly kyrian. Is it still the go to choice for raid and mythic+?

[inland raft]

Havnt played my warrior in years, i am leveling it right now in dungeons and feel rage starved a lot to both get threat and maintain block/ip is that just leveling stats issue?

[crisp dragon]

100%

[last yew]

I’m having the opposite reaction. Tons of rage but I’m in Nylotha gear

[crisp dragon]

he could be lvling >50

[inland raft]

Last time touched warrior was wod im 54 now but ya just been dungeon spamming so gear pretty crap

[jagged pier]

talents can play abig part in rage tbh

[knotty wraith]

do i ever press whirlwind as prot warrior?

[bold wave]

I never do

[shut summit]

no, not unless you're doing torghast with buncha powers, and even then i dont bother lol

[ebon hound]

In Torghast, Shield Slam casts Whirlwind for you 👌

[crisp dragon]

Im not sure what they could do to make it relevant, there is nothing I feel like we're missing rotationwise

[ornate sky]

It was just the outcome of 'unpruning'

some abilities that were pruned were useless to a spec and people prefer them to sit in their class spellbook... and people get confused by it every so often

[crisp dragon]

god bless getting execute, it feels so nice

[alpine loom]

For us need cd for Last stand like BFA and it be tank balance

[crisp dragon]

yes

[worthy ibex]

so how does prot doing now after the buff ? i have one but its not max lvl yet

[crisp dragon]

its nice

[alpine loom]

Now I not have instrument for retard or replace my pack moobs. I not have Piercing howl for retard. This is bull sh*t!

[crisp dragon]

yes

[ornate sky]

He means slow btw

[crisp dragon]

Thunderclap, who is she

[alpine loom]

low speed limit)) we all use this skill, but not for this

TC weak like hamstring

If we have Piercing howl this is solution for us

[ornate sky]

30% aoe slow on a 6s cooldown is far from an issue

[cyan kite]

Is reprisal still the best lego?

I saw a hotfix

[alpine loom]

but this not Blizzlike))

[crisp dragon]

was not a nerf, was a bugfix, so yes, still best in m+

[cyan kite]

great

ty

[crisp dragon]

else they really cucked us

lol

[cyan kite]

ikr i was just about to make it, wanted to make sure

[ornate sky]

i blame wowhead listing it as a warrior bug

[vocal cave]

heimir or emeni for m+ hmm

[alpine loom]

If we battle vs DH or MONK this is not good for us. We have save ability and it worked very good. If Blizz get for us slow for moobs or up mobility this is not good. Warrior face to face class. This is design by class. I not believe in up protwarrior in this year. Mb to next year after all content become

[crisp dragon]

yes

Just nod and agree, maybe DH discord can take him

[ornate sky]

Stop shaming someones non-mother tongue SiinSon

[crisp dragon]

I was really not, lmao

I was making fun of his ideas

[deep steppe]

Monk? We've been better than monk literally this whole xpac

[crisp dragon]

Because they're wrong, we dont need more slow, and we dont need more mobility, prot warriors are in a great state right now

[alpine loom]

ok. If this for me)

[deep steppe]

The ladder is irrelevant to how good a class is

[alpine loom]

prot warrior not have ladder list bro. Check this info on off page WoW

[ornate sky]

Right now all the tanks can just spank through 15 keys with no issue... for higher keys balance will always be around who can avoid getting hit the most while maintaining agro.. the only change is how high that key # is that you can continue to face tank. Its a fundamental wow issue that kiting is so effective

If warrior is a 'face to face' class then it is weaker at high levels

[alpine loom]

I mean we have problem with easy game for high content. Everyone understands that the further, the more difficult. It follows that we will have big problems when everyone realizes that we are ugly. I do not whine. I hope Blizzard learns the statistics.

More shield blocks for everyone!

[spark mortar]

Are most people going with the Reprisal Legs vs the boots for the stats?

[ornate sky]

Yes

[spark mortar]

Word, figured as much but figured it was worth a 2nd check.

[deep steppe]

Legs unless you have M SLG Legs

[spark mortar]

Which I do not and will not be getting as my squad doesn't fuck with Mythic raiding.

[deep steppe]

but even then people are pushing legs cause next tier might not have those high ilvl legs

[spark mortar]

True

[alpine loom]

Who use NF cov? It's normal for You? I want to try Kyrian but this cov useless for another war spec in PVE. Tell me pls Kyrian realy good with own HealPot and Spear?

[mossy sluice]

all covs are good

[dense flame]

Gotta say that although warrior felt better. Just sucks how good DH feels for current meta. Quite a difference

[alpine loom]

but not ventyre)

[mossy sluice]

all covs are good

[alpine loom]

You are right brother! Grit your teeth and endure

[pallid axle]

so im standing on 25 MoTS Runs trying to get rid of my 190 boe shield

timmed them all , still no shield any advise on who to increase chances beside running h and retpala on tanks specc with me?

*how

[mossy sluice]

shamans can get the shield as well

[dense flame]

❤️

[tame jasper]

just watched a DH with less ilvl then me (hes got a bit over 210) in DoS 15 and he rarely drops below 60% health. Thats so frustrating

[pallid axle]

to they get the same as warrir in mots?

[tame jasper]

BUt will try to pug my PF 15 later as no guildmates wants to play PF and/or warrior tank -_-

Fucking meta thinking

[mossy sluice]

yeah its int or str depending on the spec

[pallid axle]

hmm aight let recruit some h-shamans xD

[tame jasper]

(I know that's not realy prot-warr related, but does anyone knows a mythic+ community discord plz DM me)

[hollow pine]

https://discord.gg/pCQebyMj

not sure if this is the best one, i only play with friends

[spark mortar]

Has there been any adjustments or a better charge/intervene macro put out there to take advantage of Reprisal?

[timber nest]

I keep getting upgrades like this... RIP vers

[cyan kite]

I play venthyr, feels fine enough

[brittle dagger]

Not sure if you have one already or not but I just use

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, help] Intervene
/cast Charge

[manic scaffold]

Damn they already nerfed reprisal

[red swallow]

Hotfix, not nerf

[vagrant ingot]

Not even a HF, it was supposed to go live with 4 seconds SB but somebody overslept

[severe oak]

which soulbind is the best for necro warrior ? for m+ guys i think emeni looks good but its suggered heirmnir

[craggy pilot]

https://wago.io/SfUYHhajR
is this the best Plague route? or does someone have something better?

[grizzled crag]

So necro is the new best covenant for prot warriors for mythic plus?

[sand condor]

only if you have a coordianted group i think

[craggy pilot]

from what i heard all covenants are viable for M+

[sand condor]

^

venthyr isn't the best for m+

but it works

[craggy pilot]

ye kinda wanna try Venthyr for my Arms Warr

but dont rly like it for Prot

[grizzled crag]

Most of my runs via premade groups , so coordination is 0

[dapper coral]

10 runs of 12+ DoS so far, no luck. This is Gr8

4 or 5 have been tank stacked loot spec w/ guildies too

[red swallow]

does anyone have any videos from some 15s or something running reprisal? i would be interested to see where people use cooldowns and how they kite etc, i seem to struggle lots

[craggy pilot]

i do 15s with Reprisal, but dont kite almost at all

[dapper coral]

Same. I can easily facetank most stuff at 214 w/ Reprisal

[raven kernel]

nokite

[red swallow]

fair, i could facetank a lot in a 10 at 180 but i probably fucked up rotating my CDs, im not sure when to use what

[craggy pilot]

only rarely if you bolster something too much, or something enrages (DOS) you just jump with Leap

and have a Ravager on the pack to keep threat or something

[red swallow]

Theres so much shit to use 🐒

[dapper coral]

There's a few spots (first pulls of DoS, bigger pulls in HoA, etc) where I do, but that's also dependant on DPS

[craggy pilot]

kiting also comes down to how good the healer is, if the healer is good you have to kite less

[dapper coral]

In 15s, all I pretty much do is revenge

[grizzled crag]

Check PIkatv, but dont use him as an example, that guys is insane

[red swallow]

Well I just want a super rough look at how pwars play since i dont know much about them

will check out ty v much

[craggy pilot]

just charge in

Revenge

Intervene a melee

Revenge

Shield Block

continue revenge spam

Clap + Slam to generate rage

win

[red swallow]

Well I know that, i mean what defensives to cycle when

[craggy pilot]

when dying press stuff

😄

[red swallow]

[raven kernel]

just keep shield block up

[dapper coral]

The only defensive that has a telegraped usage is Spell Reflect

b/c it should be used in certain points in most dungeons/fights

[vestal moat]

Here’s my scale farm .

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NYjawETFlg8t9CSr-VIrFvCvQlbYch5dbIhYLsbehsw/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/462330308516118531/820215868784640030/unknown.png

Had 15 more runs 2-9 keys no drop.

[craggy pilot]

is Scale rly that good? 😮

[raven kernel]

yes

[vestal moat]

Finally got it in M0 lol

[dapper coral]

best dungo trinket

[craggy pilot]

i have Phial of Putre + Heart of Alar

i feel like im pretty well off

[strong forum]

scale is better than heart

[dapper coral]

^

[craggy pilot]

hmm ok

[raven kernel]

scale+heart for high keys

[craggy pilot]

im a retard tho, so Heart saves me 3 times pr dung

[red swallow]

I got a scale on m0 the night before 0.5

🙂

[craggy pilot]

how much do you need to upgrade a M0 Scale tho?

6000 valor?

[vestal moat]

I screamed when it finally dropped for my guildie with avoidance. I had 3 loot funnels for most of the runs too. Got like 7 iqd

[strong forum]

like 5k

from 0 to 12

[timber lagoon]

Finally got anime field last night

[strong forum]

you need 5.5kish valor

[vestal moat]

And the cape dropped like every run.

It’s 4400 total to upgrade.

[craggy pilot]

but its on use :< im too retarded for that stuff

[timber lagoon]

Better to farm in 12s for higher ilvl I think

Less valor need

[torpid hill]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HwD1PGWYFaKB8Xv6#fight=13&type=healing&source=8

I got my 210 scale yesterday, +220 sanguine vintage from this week's chest

it's a good time

[vestal moat]

I literally don’t need anything else from mythic plus.

[torpid hill]

also switched to furry this week

[vestal moat]

So it was more efficient to farm anything without pride. And bolstering.

[torpid hill]

like 850k heals/absorbs in a 15 pf just from two trinkets and a racial

[timber lagoon]

Stronk

[craggy pilot]

300k from Furry racial kekw

my +13 PF

[torpid hill]

In other news I'm really liking the reprisal build. dunno if Plka changed his mind after his first day of it but I'm having a blast

[bold wave]

what is it? post it plox

[torpid hill]

only getting up to 60% uptime and my block% is like 50-52% or something like that, but hey

[craggy pilot]

probably this with Reprisal

[grizzled crag]

So how is intervene works in the rotation?

[torpid hill]

I still run crackling thunder but yeah

[graceful mason]

Not having booming voice is a strange thing to get used to

But the dam is real

[craggy pilot]

how the fk is Block 50-52% ?

[raven kernel]

just intervene when u need shield block

[craggy pilot]

my block is 26% :<

just intervene on CD lol

[torpid hill]

basically intervene on cooldown unless the fight's ending

[timber lagoon]

If you have a melee charge, revenge, sb, then intervene melee

[torpid hill]

effective block rate, not like the block stat

[craggy pilot]

ah

[timber lagoon]

If no melee then intervene then charge

[torpid hill]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HwD1PGWYFaKB8Xv6#fight=13&type=damage-taken&source=8
so like there, hover over the melee amount bar, I had a pretty bad run there with 47% blocked

but fuck storming really

[timber lagoon]

Shit affix

[bold wave]

mine too XD

[hollow pine]

they should rename it to cucking, the times i charged or intervened in one of those

[craggy pilot]

can i see effective block in Details somewhere?

or SB uptime?

[timber lagoon]

Buffs maybe?

[mossy sluice]

theres an uptime tab in details

[craggy pilot]

58% SB uptime lol

[lofty widget]

uptime isnt important, only the % blocked hits

but you cant see that in details, you would have to log a run for that to show

[craggy pilot]

hmm ok

[hollow pine]

if you see your healer pumping dmg you're doing good

[bold wave]

if you're using a leggo that depends on charging/intervene, why wouldn't you use double time? Or is Storm Bolt just a personal choice?

[craggy pilot]

you could Double Time

but in most fights you cant get 2 Charge off anyway

but Storm Bolt is just hella handy to stop casts

what is the best tactic for Ventunax in Spires? 🤔

[bold wave]

fair enough

[lofty widget]

is that third boss?

[craggy pilot]

2nd boss

[timber lagoon]

2md

[lofty widget]

ah right

[hollow pine]

stack the orb spewing things on top of eachother

[craggy pilot]

on top?

[hollow pine]

or close

[timber lagoon]

What I've been doing is placing her puddles directly on top of each other

[craggy pilot]

lol

i did them in a line

[timber lagoon]

You have to tank her over her last puddle

[craggy pilot]

and people were complaining they were too close 😄

[timber lagoon]

There will be a safe spot where is way easier to dodge orbs

[craggy pilot]

do they line up with the spin thing then?

[lofty widget]

the closer the better, it means ppl dont have to look from all different angles to dodge

[craggy pilot]

ye saw someone say the strat is to put 2 in each direction

but that seems confusing as fuck

[timber lagoon]

No that's dumb

[hollow pine]

yeah they can then max range and just strafe

[craggy pilot]

but do they rotate the same way if i put multiple on top of each other?

[timber lagoon]

I had all 4 stacked last night

[craggy pilot]

all 4 kekw

[lofty widget]

yes they move in the same direction

[craggy pilot]

i guess the dps was dogshit

we got like 6-7

[hollow pine]

ouch

[timber lagoon]

What key level?

[craggy pilot]

14

[timber lagoon]

I was just doing a 15

Lol yeh not great dps

[craggy pilot]

😄

[timber lagoon]

Ideally only ranged for that boss

But I've been doing it with one melee

They lose uptime when she recharges, but it's better if no one dies

[craggy pilot]

ye we had like 2 melee 😦

[timber lagoon]

Yeah that's rough

[craggy pilot]

and what about the dash to some person, my healer was struggling with keeping people up

15s dot of 2.5k dps 😮

[timber lagoon]

Healer check

[timber lagoon]

Why it's so important to not get hit by orbs

[craggy pilot]

ye ok

[hollow pine]

yeah so you can save personals

[timber lagoon]

She dashes to the farthest person

So you can rotate depending on who has personals

[craggy pilot]

but it seems the orbs shoot in a different rotational pattern

so if u stack them, u can have one shooting up, and one shooting down

a tthe same time

[timber lagoon]

Yeah

Just Dodge

My camera is completely vertical the whole Time

[hollow pine]

the further you are the more room you have between projectiles

[craggy pilot]

during recharge, is it possible to stand in melee even?

[timber lagoon]

I don't

Even when I dps

[lofty widget]

what i do on the dash is intervene a random ranged, if the dash is on them the bleed is transfered to you

[craggy pilot]

but dont she dash right after doing Recharge?

[timber lagoon]

Yes

And she dropps another puddle

So ideally you want her to recharge over the two she already placed

[craggy pilot]

yea so its always place 2, then recharge

[timber lagoon]

Yes

[craggy pilot]

guess ill try stacking next time

sounds dangerous tho 😄

[timber lagoon]

I've tried the line business

Stacking has worked better for me

[craggy pilot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAzfCsmVX5E
found this video, but this UI is making me wanna tear my eyes out 😢

and how does the 1st boss work then?

do u tank the 2 bosses on top of each other?

[next apex]

yah

double the dmg

cuz they share health

You keep them stacked and dps usually stays on bird while u angle smash away from them

and they just cleave

Pride and Lust makes u body them

[craggy pilot]

the smash is undodgeble?

[next apex]

you can dodge it

Its hard tho. but ive def dodge it

[sweet summit]

first boss thing no

[next apex]

Whelp i guess ive never dodged it then

[sweet summit]

it was dodgeable

[craggy pilot]

the cast speed is so fast now

[sweet summit]

ya it doesnt even hit other people than you now though

[timber lagoon]

Can't you sidestep for reduced dmg?

[sweet summit]

no

[next apex]

yikes

[sweet summit]

just block it

[craggy pilot]

i tried, but its so fast i cant get out of it

[timber lagoon]

It's not a frontal anymore?

[sweet summit]

no

[timber lagoon]

Oh that's nice

[next apex]

Thats the warrior answer to everything. Just block it. If u cant block it reflect it

[sweet summit]

just a tank hit

[timber lagoon]

Sweet

[sweet summit]

TRUE

[sharp mural]

I'm still tempting to make a mythic+ tank alt, is prot doable? or as a 'casual tank' are you better of for with a dh/monk or smth

[sweet summit]

prot is very doable

[sharp mural]

tanked a 9HoA today was fun, I like the 'aggresive' style

[next apex]

all tanks are pretty close except for DH being the rogue lvl utility god of tanks

you dont really understand how great silence sigil is until you play a tank who cant control the 900000 caster mobs that 1 shot u as a tank

[craggy pilot]

wtf is silence sigil?

[next apex]

A DH sigil that silences stuff

[craggy pilot]

the thing they use to group packs with in MDI?

[next apex]

Yah

They also have chains sigil

[craggy pilot]

i sometimes see just an entire group being pulled into one mob

but i dont understand what it is

[next apex]

nah thats chains

[craggy pilot]

looks like every mob being Pulled by DK, but they can only do that as Blood right?

Chains? also DH ability?

[next apex]

Silence sigil is litterally just a silence. but if u silence a caster mob it runs to u which is REALLY fucking pogg

[merry bane]

So I have an adventure that gives me a 194 trinket Queensguard vigil

[next apex]

Yah DH and DK both have chains.

[merry bane]

has anyone used it?

[craggy pilot]

lol chains OP 😦

why BDK not OP then?

[next apex]

It cant jump away like DH can

But i hear BDK is the most fun tank. But i like monk and warrior the most tbh

[craggy pilot]

most fun?

[next apex]

yaaah most interactive as a tank

It probably as something to do with Death striking

[merry bane]

It says incoming attacks have a chance to trigger a retaliatory strike, inflicting 870 nature damage split between all enemies and healing you for 2,813. Damage and healing is increased per enemy struck up to 5

[next apex]

and gripping

Just use BSS and Alar @merry bane

[merry bane]

I dont have them yet

[next apex]

i say getting atleast a 200 BSS to upgrade with valor is a solid choice

[merry bane]

hence why I am looking at decent options. I cleared 10/10 and never dropped

[next apex]

nah BSS is from De Other Side

[merry bane]

unless I get a RF one

no the Alar

[next apex]

OH

[merry bane]

I know the BSS. I ran 8 DoS last week

[next apex]

yaah i got 200 ilvl Al'ar first week and litterally never changed it

[merry bane]

I have yet to have it drop for me

[next apex]

sometimes i think it makes me a shitty tank cuz i procs a ton and saves me all the time and im like "damn. i rely on this a ton."

Ive never tried BDK or bear. I was never a fan of tanks that rely on self healing as opposed to have phat mitigation

But i also thought id enjoy DH cuz they are crackhead tanks that jump around like mongos and i really dislike how empty it felt playing them. but idk i spent entirety of BFA mashing thunderclap.

[sweet summit]

bear has phat mitigation

[next apex]

Yah i just never played druid and dont have swole bear and i hate base bear model.

[sweet summit]

[next apex]

Prot Paladin is super fucking fun but way too squishy for my tastes

DT and SoTR spam during wings is actually sick af

[amber herald]

it's like a 20 minute Q to get the first legendary skin

if that's bothering you

[craggy pilot]

anyone have any pro tips on goldmaking? Im running so low after all this M+ Flask spam

[turbid cargo]

sell carries, haha

[crimson vortex]

Do y’all know if you can still earn renown during a week if both the cov quests are complete? I’m about to full send it and swap but not sure if I should wait til reset or not

[craggy pilot]

would rather buy gold tokens than selling boosts

fuck boosting dude :<

[turbid cargo]

that's fair

I hate doing them

[craggy pilot]

dont want to hand out 15s to people who just pay

i feel bad when i unknowingly carry some shit guy through +15

and they underperform

[dapper coral]

You can get to like renown 35 when you swap in a single week

[craggy pilot]

its like fk that guy for being so shit 😄

[turbid cargo]

this tier I made plenty selling raid BoEs I picked up

[dapper coral]

2nd week would get you to max (40)

[craggy pilot]

i got 0 raid BoE so far 🤔

[crimson vortex]

That’s reassuring, just trying to maximize my time grinding it cause I want 31 before next Friday (raid)

[dapper coral]

Renown is pretty easy to get now. Raid Finder is a surprisingly good source if you don't want to pug N/H

[crimson vortex]

Sweet, I’ll probably try to go ham on both. Thanks

[quiet geode]

whats the go to leggo for raiding

[red swallow]

[quiet geode]

thanks @red swallow

[torpid saffron]

So.. what talents should we use for running Reprisal lego ? Do we still run this ? I mention that i'm Kyrian

For M+ i'm interested mainly

Should i go with Best Served Cold, Bounding Stride and Anger Management instead ?

[dark lark]

yup

Crackling Thunder vs Bounding Stride is personal preference in keys but I like the extra mobility

[raven kernel]

does shield block work on NW last boss?

[torpid saffron]

Why wouldn't ?

[valid finch]

so with 9.0.5 i should start working on crafting reprisal?

[hushed sun]

@valid finch yes

[sweet summit]

ya it does

[dark lark]

It's blockable physical damage, kind of like Jaina

[jagged pier]

we use double time NSC RAv and AM

[raven kernel]

ty

[torpid saffron]

I've heard that Storm bolt is kinda useful.. and in order to give up utility for some mobility and lego usage, i'd rather not

I think i'd rather keep storm bolt and get bounding stride instead of crackling thunder for some mobility..

[timber lagoon]

Storm bolt for life in keys

Anything to give me more control

No trust for dps

[valid finch]

also totally off topic but if any of you like your mugs with stouts. (and are of proper age) I recommend https://www.terrapinbeer.com/beer/mexican-style-chocolate-imperial-moo-hoo

[sweet summit]

[dark lark]

Totally personal preference, but yes I like Storm Bolt in M+

[woven trellis]

am i alone t love rumbling?

[valid finch]

ive been using a ravager macro that drops it on my current location. it seems to work really well so far

[timber lagoon]

You can get a fast cd with rumbling and the conduit

But the extra ranged stun is so good

[dark lark]

@cursor macro is better because you can throw it from range for initial agro

[cloud tide]

does anyone know do u get valor from weekyl chest?

[woven trellis]

17sec cd on rumbl feels awes

[torpid saffron]

Have you guys already acomodated with Reprisal ?

[dark lark]

Otherwise one aoe while you're mid charge and the mobs are everywhere

[last yew]

Can I get that ravaged macro?

[cloud tide]

pls respond

[dark lark]

Don't know

Find out on Tuesday, until then keep spamming keys

[cloud tide]

i thought blizzard wloud say something?

or they didnt

[last yew]

Can o get that ravager macro?

[dark lark]

#showtooltip
/use [@cursor] Ravager

or @player

[last yew]

Thx

[dark lark]

Depending on which you want

[dark lark]

Didn't take long. Just use intervene on cooldown

[valid finch]

#showtooltip
/cast [@player] Ravager

[timber lagoon]

True true, but like let's say you stunned fungal Storm in PF with shockwave, and another cast starts. Would you rather hope someone else gets it? Or know you can

[dark lark]

In a pug? The latter for sure

[timber lagoon]

I'm in a premade and call shit and my guys still miss it sometimes lol

Stopped a bunch of casts yesterday midair with storm bolt

Fucking storming

It is totally personal preference, just stating my reasoning behind Storm bolt over rumbling

[woven trellis]

thats true

but

17cd on rumb feels awes

X D

[timber lagoon]

Lol I hear ya

[woven trellis]

i mean, the thing i like about it in groups is that 17 sec is basically exactly the time for everyone to rotate their aoe cc

it makes it awes

[limpid pawn]

so i been trying out reprisal and anger management with some experimenting w/ storm bolt and double time

it seems like for trash pulls, reprisal really shines

[cursive hedge]

Are warriors meta now with the buffs?

[limpid pawn]

but for bosses, it is very tough

like you may need bolster for high keys bosses

[timber lagoon]

Yeah I was feeling this yesterday too, really hurts if there's not a melee to intervene

I think I just need to manage my rage better on bosses

[limpid pawn]

yes, but even w/ intervene, there are some big gaps that are bad

like it feels much better w/ bolster which is shitty b/c angermanagement is so good

but maybe you gotta just make it work, a lot of top guys are using AM

[timber lagoon]

How high of keys are you talking?

I've noticed it but haven't died or anything in 15s this week

[dark lark]

Eh, I can get away with a few seconds of no shield block on a 20 tyrannical boss with CD's like Demo Shout + IP, Shield Wall, or an external

And more often than not

There's a mechanic where the boss isn't melee swinging

So if you watch your timers you can account for that to let yourself recharge

Big example is Xav in TOP

If you know he's about to do his aoe abilities, drop banner, or start a duel, you can just let shield block recharge in time for his tank buster combo

[timber lagoon]

Cycling those smaller defensives seems key

Demo shout

I guess is the only one

I have a bad habit of stacking defensives and then having a large gap

[astral crystal]

Necro fleshcraft is a really solid CD to throw in too

Not only because of dmg reduction, shield also actively diminished dmg you take as it builds throughout the cast

[dark lark]

Obviously you want to keep up block as much as possible, but if you need to have it available for a big ability like Xav's combo, Kin-Tara's (Spires 1st boss) frontal, or Grand Proctor Beriella's (SD 3rd boss) Iron Spikes, it's okay to save

In fact for Grand Proctor, she literally does nothing to the tank outside of Iron Spikes since she's always casting

[dark lark]

You almost never need to stack defensives all at once. Better to stagger them out.

If you have Block up, there's nothing in the game that requires both Demo Shout and SW and an external all at once

Block + Demo, Block + SW, sure, but not all at once

Those CDs should be planned out instead of hit in panic

In fact, I would argue that now that we're not using the Bolster talent, Last Stand is now your panic ability. But even then, you could save that specifically for bleed mechanics or big spell casts

[hardy pawn]

Plus half the decent tank trinkets are essentially panic buttons

[dark lark]

The only decent tank trinket is Blood Spattered Scale from DOS

The rest are trash, including the Sire tank trinket

[hardy pawn]

Kael Trinket is a nice to have one

[valid kraken]

The elusive scale

[hardy pawn]

I got it in my first vault 🙂

[valid kraken]

Damn. Nice

[hardy pawn]

I just want a weapon

[dark lark]

I've four 226 options in my vault for weeks and I've yet to see helm shoulders chest or shield :(

[hardy pawn]

I've only had 3 vaults so far after I rage quit dps because playing melee sucks

I've had scale, shield and haste ring :^)

[dark lark]

Must be nice

[cunning pier]

Hey gamers, any tips for how to write a good intervene macro? Ideally I want one that does the following things all on one button:

1st, if I'm mousing over a friendly target, I intervene them
2nd, if I don't have a mouse over I intervene my focus target instead
3red if I don't have a mouseover or focus I intervene my current target.

[fringe marten]

..Whatever loot spec you have assigned should absolutely 100% dictate what conduits get upgraded by venari's essence crap. I do not play dps...EVER EVER EVER. Having 2k stygia that is intended to upgrade your conduits be absolutely flushed down the toilet EVERY TIME until I've upgraded dps conduits...insanely pisses me off.

[median tulip]

Like this;

/cast [@mouseover, help, nodead, exists][@focus, help, nodead, exists][]Intervene```

[timber lagoon]

I just use clique for intervene

[hardy pawn]

I just have my intervene and charge on the same mouseover macro

[fringe marten]

There needed to be a warning or something "do not memorize conduits you never plan to use" I could have made this so much more efficient by simply NEVER using any of the dps conduits. Why the fuck does blizzard punish people with this sytem by giving and upgrading conduits you never EVER will use.

[dark lark]

Are you talking about the Venari slot machine

[torpid saffron]

I hate Reprisal, feels so fcking awful

[fringe marten]

Yes, if I would have known from the start of the xpac about it; how important it is..and NOT TO EVER memorize dps conduits I won't use; it would have made this exponentially better.

[torpid saffron]

Tried it multiple times, guess i'm the only one

[fringe marten]

It doesn't feel awful it just forces a change in how you would play; and a lot of the 'dps' legendaries do that..so they've had to deal with it a long time.

Traditionally none of the tank lego's have done that for us; there was the one where you had to weave revenge and? slam? or tclap or something to get a bonus each time. But most tank lego's just 'boost' your gameplay in some way. Many of the dps legendaries change their rotation or where they have to stand, or something like that.. This does that for us.

And we're in the same boat other dps are too..it's SO good, you basically have to live with and learn how to incorporate it into your play. A bunch of mages were so pissed about a new legendary they had to race swap to make it work right; then like 1 or 2 days later it was patched and made their race swap worthless..and they had to go back.

It is kind of 'eh' when it worked as intended. The first time I tried it, was day 1..did 1 dungeon, with the full 6 second shield block timers. I liked it a lot. Now that it's down to 4..it's? honestly a lot more irritating but still very good.

[dark lark]

Just takes practice

[woeful trellis]

guys, hymnal of the path - strong? cause i did like 250k in a +12

194 ilvl

[strong forum]

first dos.

[woeful trellis]

gratz mate 🙂

dps?

[timber lagoon]

https://c.tenor.com/iHXx1jpq51UAAAAM/cheers-leonardo-di-caprio.gif

[strong forum]

i feel scammed

i only did 4k

<.<

[woeful trellis]

k so my 4.3 was quite nice

[strong forum]

idk man

[haughty sleet]

what do you do in mists

[strong forum]

havent done mists yet

[haughty sleet]

felt pretty good

[strong forum]

ye looks bout aight

i feel so fucking scammed though

i did 4k dps in DoS last week

maybe cuz fort

[lavish oracle]

Also bolster

Unless you're doing the huge ardenweald pulls even with bolster

[strong forum]

i had to kite forever cuz we had dogshit dps

cuz i guess thats why

[cursive hedge]

Is Necrolord now meta for Prot Warrior??

[lavish oracle]

Anyone played with Ass rogue in keys yet after the buff?

Obviously it's still worse than outlaw for AoE

But is it still like absolutely terrible at it?

[novel ruin]

Does Avatar and Booming voice affect the damage of NW weapons?

[lavish oracle]

It should, pretty sure all buffs affect their damage unless the affect says otherwise

[sweet summit]

nope

[lavish oracle]

Oh, really?

Interesting

[sweet summit]

class abilities do not buff non class abilities

since legion

the uhh

[spiral perch]

wokey, im now war prot kyrian, what stats should I prioritize? haste and vers?

[torpid saffron]

Yeah, i guess you're right.. but the lego already forces us to change our playstyle. I also have to change talents, and there are so many changes to learn, that it feels frustrating

[sweet summit]

rogue lego used to buff flat crit

[runic crown]

Nope

[torpid saffron]

I tried going with Best Server Cold, Bounding Stride and Anger Management

[sweet summit]

but now thats also whitelist

[novel ruin]

RIP

Blizz i wanted to have fun

[limpid pawn]

is better served cold bis now?

demo shout seems good still

[sweet summit]

with reprisal ye

[lavish oracle]

Bsc has always been the best damage

Reprisal just gives us some leeway to play less defensive talents

[spiral perch]

sorry guys, aamm haste/vers on war prot?

quick question

[sweet summit]

ilvl>haste>vers

[limpid pawn]

so for high keys (like 20+) what talents you guys taking

[cinder nova]

This is my favorite thing.

[spiral perch]

and in leggo, haste/vers right?

[sweet summit]

yes

[cinder nova]

It feels immortal just blocking everything

[spiral perch]

ty

[cinder nova]

What's the pumper's stat priority?

[spiral perch]

alright, let's tanking, OHH YEEEER

[lavish oracle]

I mean easy fort week to tyrannical week is always gonna be a DPS loss

My boss damage has felt much better in general, though

[strong forum]

crit haste

[dark lark]

I'm doing dev sb bounding bsc indom rav am in 19/20s with the new reprisal lego

[spiral perch]

on prot? why, first time i saw that, sorry, noob question

[dark lark]

I'm not timing them because lul tyrannical but that's more of a group thing, not a tank thing

[spiral perch]

is because u like doing dps as prot too?

[dark lark]

Crit is better dps + parry

[limpid pawn]

so not going double time - is this ok?