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sick sentinel
Thanks
sweet surge
placid oar
😍
sweet summit
glacial skiff
how's my sb uptime here?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7a9VTH43bRghCfL1/#fight=last&type=auras
using reprisal and with the 4s adjustement i think i may need to use double time
sweet summit
Damage taken -> mousrover melee -> blocked hits
sweet surge
sweet summit
I Cant do it from phone
upper parcel
The reprisal build is DT - BSC - UF - AM ?
glacial skiff
sweet summit
Ravager>UF
glacial skiff
:/doesn't seem like a lot
glacial skiff
sweet summit
O :/
glacial skiff
only about 50% melee's blocked
yeah thats bad
i think i just need to take double time, i used intervene often as a filler too
but this pug was also really fucking bad as well
sweet summit
Ye thats good
Intervene on cd pretty much
Always keep at least one SB charge on cd
open monolith
yeah no reason not too since you'll have 40+ rage and a free revenge
Charge -> SB+Revenge -> Tclap
that should basically be every pull with reprisal
every aoe pull*
sweet surge
how long is the free revenge durartion?
open monolith
i assume as long as the normal Revenge! proc
unique shale
4sec
sweet surge
some pulls you tc first
ionic fern
It should be 6s. 🤔
strong forum
how's my sb uptime here?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7a9VTH43bRghCfL1/...
51% isn't all too sharp
ionic fern
Or am i remembering wrong?
open monolith
sure if it's one of those big pulls with spread out mobs. like 2nd pull of DOS
sweet surge
if its 4 or 6 sec its enough time for you to use it up even if you tc first
to gather spread out packs
open monolith
if you blocked 50% of all melee hits, that actually meanas you probably had LESS than 50% SB uptime, because you are able to block hits without shield block
so you likely had sub 50% SB uptime, and just had some natural blocks in there
sweet surge
and thats quite a high chance too
open monolith
So basically: you may be doing something wrong
but also: i haven't reviewed any logs of people doing m+ with reprisal
strong forum
Na it's 51% uptime, but it's dungeon log so its realistically higher
I'm also on mobile so it's hard to judge
sweet summit
Mobile wcl is garbage 😔
sweet surge
I have 22.30% chance to block passively
open monolith
just use Sheltron and get 100% chance
glacial skiff
details shows me at 58% uptime
sweet surge
fuck is a Sheltron
glacial skiff
idk i felt like i had to do a lot of things for this group which stresses me out and be unable to play correctly
strong forum
only about 50% melee's blocked
Thing is, it doesn't show hitcount, it only shows how much dmg you blocked vs unblocked, which in turn is skewed to look smaller because you obv take fuckall dmg if you block
open monolith
it's... a ffxiv thing.. ignore me
glacial skiff
like first boss the dps refused to cc the small slimes or kill them so i had to kite the bastard literally the whole boss room
open monolith
and also magic damage will never be blocked
glacial skiff
idk i think next dungeon i'll try double time to see if that feels better
strong forum
So it's very hard to tell how much % you actually blocked
unique shale
like first boss the dps refused to cc the small slimes or kill them so i had to ...
i mean just leave i don't like be under a lot of stress since prot war is a class that mistakes= bad times
glacial skiff
but yeah i went into this dungeon thinking the 6s shield block uptime remained
i didn't even get to tank a dungeon with it at 6s lmao 😦
idle zephyr
is reprisal aids to play with? (not playing my warr as tank right now)
strong forum
Playing reprisal pwar takes alot more skill than regular pwar
glacial skiff
no
idle zephyr
thinking whether to make the wall or reprisal
strong forum
IP counts as "mitigated"
jagged pier
that shows your total damage taken including absorbs from things like scale and IP
only way to really tell is to go to 'melees' and hover over it
sweet surge
i see, totally new to wlogs
glacial skiff
does my IP usage look low?
sweet surge
glacial skiff
oh fuck
i just realized i had mortal combo slotted still instead of tclap conduit lol
quick elk
Is there literally only one tank specific potency conduit for warriors?
quick elk
Is this the same for all tanks, I have three for fury and arms . It’s a bit odd
strong forum
Sof got better with the patch so there is atleast that
sweet surge
only pwarr conduit I like is the last stand rage one
strong forum
Stalwart is nice tbh
sweet surge
its okay i guess
strong forum
On one of my council pulls I had SW down to like 1min CD with only AM
Fucking juicy
patent osprey
for potency bis is always the cov one unless for venthyr prot tank
uneven mason
dats a lot of resets
uneven mason
dats a lot of rage
strong forum
Huuuuuge rage cycling
uneven mason
TFW I'm always tanking stavros at first
strong forum
Yea so am i
sweet surge
double time Reprisal Pog
uneven mason
guess I could just learn to point my butt another direction
strong forum
Stavros is perfect for reprisal, after his lunge you can charge him
glacial skiff
yeah stalwart is nice with AM
uneven mason
mmm will keep that in mind
uneven mason
I try not to move since my DPS are flipperhands and like to be out of position
strong forum
No
If you stand still you're inting for no reason
Kite the boss away from the attendant
Fucking full speed run away
Is huge value
Moving the boss is recommended on that boss
uneven mason
can the attendane be snared?
uneven mason
Mostly its how I've setup their dance recital
strong forum
Well sure
uneven mason
since also, my DPS like to die
glacial skiff
so with reprisal should you just use intervene on cd, or as a gap filler?
strong forum
The tanks moving the bosses on council is a HUGE GAIN
uneven mason
this is just HC
strong forum
Ah... Hc
sweet surge
GL
glacial skiff
there's some mechanics i personally just love intervening out of but taking bounding stride seems to allow me to use that more so than before
strong forum
You want to have the CD rolling on charge, SB, and Intervene at all times basically
uneven mason
we went from wiping on Sire 20x to get our 2nd kill
to 1 shotting him
for the 3rd
with like 1 death (monk rolled off of the platform in P3)
sweet surge
classic
uneven mason
so, I'm optimisic
glacial skiff
so we go from using intervene to kite/escape mechanics as strictly rage/sb then right?
sweet surge
pretty much
uneven mason
did 3 shorthanded pulls on Shriek as well, I think I have the positioning down for P1 sonars
anyone got a clean kill video that doesn't have a fat british guy yapping and cutting away from the actual mechanics for mythic shriek?
blazing condor
man LFG is fucked rn trying to get into certain dungeons
people are just spoonfed people trying to farm items
strong forum
anyone got a clean kill video that doesn't have a fat british guy yapping and cu...
Honestly just watch the limit video
Very simple and short
uneven mason
k
I suppose that wouldn't be bad, sometimes I avoid limits stuff just because how they do things are not always within the realm of possibilities for mere mortals
haughty sleet
does safeguard get canceled if your target cancelauras intervene?
uneven mason
afaik safeguard is its own buff
shut summit
Safeguard is its own buff ye
uneven mason
since Intervene has a range limitation on it
but yeah with Reprisal I've been running Safeguard over IP
haughty sleet
just dont want to take both hits of sludge if i intervene the other tank
uneven mason
because paladin co tank is squish
oof
yeah so, make sure they're quick on that
and you setup the macro to /tell (cotankname) HIT YOUR CANCELAURAMACRO K!
haughty sleet
ill just have em macro it to all of their buttons
uneven mason
literally best way
So lastnight I was spam running DOS For a scale
along with my co tank
and one of the other non raiding tanks in the guild, goes into 1 - gets a 210 Scale firs time.
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
uneven mason
feels bad man
open monolith
Stopped playing prot warr. Started playing holy pally. First run our new tank gets a 210 scale
I literally killed myself.
I am dead.
uneven mason
ez
OH it gives me trinkets from DoS in my vault every week, I've passed on so many 226 IQDs its not funny
I think DoS is going to be the only dungeon I run this week, just so I'm packing my vault with 3 possibilities
sweet surge
normies can now get a 220 scale and that makes me unhappy
uneven mason
Normies can't complete KSM
unless they pay for it
so they can get a 213 scale
hell the average player has a hard time with +10s
sweet surge
I know. And I was joking 🙂
jagged pier
normies can now get a 220 scale and that makes me unhappy
i still yet have seen scale drop or in the vault
uneven mason
☝️
sweet surge
On the first week where I literally had nothing else I could upgrade
uneven mason
sorry I saw one drop - for my guardian druid
sweet surge
I got a 226 scale off vault
robust surge
normies can complete ksm p easily
jagged pier
ran 2 DoS's last night and i was like nah not this week
sweet surge
lucky AF
robust surge
15s are faceroll
uneven mason
normies can complete ksm p easily
You grossly overestimate the average player in wow
sweet surge
^
jagged pier
You grossly overestimate the average player in wow
☝️
uneven mason
like 10% Of the playerbase will get KSM
sweet surge
I'd be shocked if the average player has even done a plus 5
verbal viper
silly question, do obtaining higher ilvl shields increase your overall attack power? of abilities like thunder clap, revenge etc - or is it only your 1h weap for those?
uneven mason
I'd be shocked if the average player has even done a plus 5
Its pretty close to this
woven trellis
do you guys all use Spear of bastion + Ravager when u go into a pack directly? before any revenge or?
sweet surge
@woven trellis yes
uneven mason
although we're grabbing low + keys and hard carrying them
in our quest for an upgradeable scale
any DOS Key
jagged pier
do you guys all use Spear of bastion + Ravager when u go into a pack directly? b...
i rav, charge, avatar, revenge
uneven mason
that we could +3
jagged pier
spear
woven trellis
<@!311831885070336001> yes
everytime it feels like its overcapping rage to do that
jagged pier
any DOS Key
im not running low keys fuk that to much valor to upgrade
sweet surge
you press SB instantly
jagged pier
plus fuk up my vault
uneven mason
im not running low keys fuk that to much valor to upgrade
I Mean when most of your gear is near the upgrade limit
or beyond it
uneven mason
so
sweet surge
low keys doesnt fuk up your vault, a lack of hih keys does
uneven mason
valor has no value to you
jolly granite
Do only have items in the vault from dungeons you actually ran?
uneven mason
yes
jagged pier
valor has no value to you
it does 220 HoA neck would be an upgrade and 220 scale would be an upgrade
and 220 phial
from plaguefall
uneven mason
you get items from any dungeon
I must have interesting luck, I tested that with 4x NW 2 weeks in a row and got only loot from NW In both slots
sweet surge
just a coincidence
jagged pier
thats some big coincidence
sweet surge
you dont have to run DoS to get achance for a scale, for example
strong forum
silly question, do obtaining higher ilvl shields increase your overall attack po...
Strength
strong forum
Dungeons done doesn't correlate to vault drop, it's entirely random from vault
sweet surge
Only Vault interacton with what you've killed is raid, specifically SLG and Sire
and only once
verbal viper
Strength
thanks, I"m sure whats I was noticing in my dmg going up from a much better shield
uneven mason
thanks, I"m sure whats I was noticing in my dmg going up from a much better shie...
shield has a lot of str on it.
sweet surge
unless you upgraded like 40 ilvls I doubt a bit more str would be very noticeable
strong forum
thanks, I"m sure whats I was noticing in my dmg going up from a much better shie...
Well we also got buffed on reset
uneven mason
big buff
my cotank was freaking out cause he was actually working to hold aggro off of me
may have been that I was hard pumping too
verbal viper
yeah I know that, i'm saying i had a dookie shield tuesday - thursday and thursday night finally tried getting some honor and bought the pvp shield and upgraded it - my strength only went up by like 7
uneven mason
yeah I know that, i'm saying i had a dookie shield tuesday - thursday and thursd...
You're stronger survivabilitywise so pumping more rage into Revenge?
I Mean thats what I did as soon as I got the SLG HC shield
jagged pier
i was pumping revenge with my 213 shield from pvp tbh
sweet surge
you people need to take advantage of how broken pvp gearing is for prot rn
and how strong arms is in pvp rn
enjoy it while it lasts, soon we'll be back to bfa levels of terrible
sweet surge
sure, RBGs even
uneven mason
my 2h drop luck this Xpac has been horrible
uneven mason
I Mean, was doing some arena but my arena mate decided to quit the game when the guild split a few weeks into SL
glacial skiff
i haven't used valor yet but is it just like conquest meaning you can only earn up to 5000 total
or is it 5000 per week, or you can only hold 5000 total?
sweet surge
yes, the cap raises like conquest with each week
uneven mason
its 750 per week, but the cap is set as if it had been around for a while
restive wigeon
yo boys im renown 21 and I seem to not get any renown for spamming heroics anymore
what do I do
strong forum
Story
uneven mason
the story
sweet surge
Next week you'll have UP to 5750 valor
solemn magnet
M+ / lfr
sweet surge
cant cap renown with the story
sweet surge
not even close
restive wigeon
i completed chapter 8 already
glacial skiff
so after i reach 5000 this week i can't earn anymore conquest?
solemn magnet
I did one wing and got 0 renown. Noped out hard then did 4 mythics and got 4 renown. =/
restive wigeon
but chapter 1 is not completed according to qlog
sweet surge
source: I leveled a second warrior 4 days ago and its alrady Renown 35
glacial skiff
and can only earn 750 per week each week after or what? its not clear how that works
sweet surge
@glacial skiff yes
glacial skiff
or can i earn 5000+750 per week after
sweet surge
from what I understand next week you'll have a max of 5750 to spend
so, like Conquest
uneven mason
yes like conquest
glacial skiff
i dont fuly know how conquest works either tbh
sweet surge
so you can grind out 5K this week and spend it. butn ext week youre only getting 750 extra
just like I explained
is how cnquest works
you just get 550 increments per week
not 750
glacial skiff
and if you spend any thats it no way to re-earn any extra basically right?
restive wigeon
if youre a necro prot and you die with the forgeborne reveries conduit
do you keep aggro?
woeful trellis
so do i go vulpera now or not i cant decide 😄
restive wigeon
lolol
solar spear
ive got to kick this muscle memory of pressing shield block as I charge in its so automatic xd
woeful trellis
me2 mate me2 😄
sweet summit
good
arctic wasp
does anyone knows if new necrolord banner works as an "aura buff" arround you or does it gives the buffs and then you can just move away form your dps ??, also, what's the range of it ??
arctic wasp
ok cool, thanks!
sweet summit
solemn magnet
That WA is kinda wonky, but the best were going to get.
uneven mason
ive got to kick this muscle memory of pressing shield block as I charge in its ...
I mean, not a bad habit to still have, 10s of SB is a lot of pumps, since you're getting 20 extra rage on engage, a free rev, and probably slapping avatar, you'll be fine for pumping
slender acorn
Quick question on a debate i have right now. What is better for raid Prot Warrior shout or Vengeance DH magic damage increase?
I am the main tank in my guild and have both Warrior and DH geared for heroic raid. We have no other Warriors or DHs typically.
solemn magnet
Depends on your comp?
uneven mason
Rallying Cry
arctic wasp
https://wago.io/ConquerorsBanner
in a raid scenario, does it takes in consideration only your group or the entire raid???
uneven mason
is better for raid
uneven mason
Quick question on a debate i have right now. What is better for raid Prot Warrio...
Rallying Cry blows 5% spell damage out of the water
solemn magnet
in a raid scenario, does it takes in consideration only your group or the entire...
The WA isn't able to 100% grab the 2 closest players. It can only grab players within certain bands.
uneven mason
VDH has nothing that compares to it
solemn magnet
Several times it showed my entire party in range
slender acorn
Yeah rally was another consideration. We have a lot of Hunters and quite a few melee. With a mix of ranged.
slender acorn
Rallying Cry blows 5% spell damage out of the water
Works for me, I have wanted back on my warrior any way.
arctic wasp
not group restricted
wait so to give the buffs to a fire mage or a boomie in raids they have to come in meele range ? there is no other way to be sure they get the buff ?
that sounds problematic
sweet summit
u can go to them 
arctic wasp
yeah what i mean is that we have to be stacked pretty much xD
solemn magnet
Ysaahh
arctic wasp
iuk, i dont like that honestly, sounds hard to pull of in some fights
sweet summit
play kyrian/night fae then?
uneven mason
PLay NF best answer
craggy pilot
reprisal got nerfed?
floral pewter
intervene to them > banner > charge back
craggy pilot
or was it always 4 sec Shield Block?
uneven mason
it was nerfed on PTR
mossy sluice
Rallying Cry blows 5% spell damage out of the water
RC is strong but 5% magic damp amp is also really really good and better in a lot of scenarios
uneven mason
sounds like they finally "fixed" it on live
uneven mason
RC is strong but 5% magic damp amp is also really really good and better in a lo...
If you have a caster heavy comp
but if you're melee and hunters BS is going to help more
thats not even counting RC into the scenario
but RC is a huge thing
and shouldn't be ignored
mossy sluice
the top dps rn are like mage/lock/boomkin/unholy dk and all of those benefit from the magic amp
uneven mason
You're not wrong about that either.
arctic wasp
play kyrian/night fae then?
yeah i'm kyrian right now, i was wondering if it's worth the change
uneven mason
but going VDH to buff 3 DPS if your raid is mostly Atk based
isn't worth sacrificing BS or RC
like was said - its based on his comp
craggy pilot
was Reprisal 4 seconds after patch?
uneven mason
I Just was bringing RC into the discussion because for progression its a massive boon
craggy pilot
do i jsut imagine it was 6 seconds?
uneven mason
was Reprisal 4 seconds after patch?
it was 6 by accident
solemn magnet
Yes
uneven mason
Llarold had to open his yap about it so they fixed it.
craggy pilot
okok ty
uneven mason
its still #1
red swallow
Not worth running double time just cuz of reprisal right?
blissful pebble
Originally 6 seconds - Nerfed to 4 seconds late PTR - Went live as 6 seconds (assumedly in error) - Tragically Corrected to 4 seconds now - Still BIS M+
uneven mason
depends how much faith you have in your DPS/Healer for stuns/interrupts
solemn magnet
Not worth running double time just cuz of reprisal right?
Debatable depending on your comp, but storm bolt still super strong
uneven mason
but SB is still generally the play
red swallow
On the warrior i'll probably pug mostly cuz im a healer in our m+ group.. so not much faith lmao. Good to know ty
solemn magnet
I will say using charge on CD then not having it up for the next pack kinda feels bad, but maybe that's my play.
slender acorn
My normal raid comp is
5x Melee
4x hunters
4x Ranged
With only 1 ranged being very strong class wise.
uneven mason
yeah certainly go with warrior
mossy sluice
if you don't have another source of battle shout then its gonna be better than the magic damage amp w/ that comp, but you really should try to get all the raid buffs/debuffs because its just free damage
slender acorn
Yeah working on that, I have some one working on. DH but thier DPS/gear is not yet at the levels of their main.
But we just started looking at this a few days ago.
uneven mason
what tier of content?
slender acorn
Just heroic raid working on Sire phase 2 at the moment.
arctic wasp
Originally 6 seconds - Nerfed to 4 seconds late PTR - Went live as 6 seconds (as...
fuck i really though i imagine the 4 second nerf hahahaha
mellow gorge
lads, excluding the new reprisal legendary, how much dps do you do on average?
uneven mason
IDK I haven't taken mine off since we were buffed.
mellow gorge
then how much dmg do you deal on average?
i think i'm doing low if i'm averaging around 3k dps
mossy sluice
in raid or m+?
mellow gorge
m+
mossy sluice
thats gonna be pretty dungeon specific but 3k seems really low
elfin nova
Is there an apl that charges? I guess not, as it's difficult to account for moving out of melee...?
sweet summit
@ionic fern ETA on APL update
mellow gorge
I can't tell what i'm doing wrong though to deal 3k dmg, it is really low
mossy sluice
what cov are you
mellow gorge
kyrian
ionic fern
Never.
mellow gorge
spear varies between 1st and 3rd most dmg ability
sweet summit
o ok :(
strong forum
spear varies between 1st and 3rd most dmg ability
Spear shouldn't be top 3
ionic fern
<@!238357283996696576> ETA on APL update
It was commited today so hopefully tomorrow Nightly(?)
viral axle
is necro still worth it in a semi organized environment? i play roughly 50/50 when it comes to guild grps/pugs
sweet summit
poggers
mellow gorge
@strong forum oh, how come?
sweet summit
u the best
mellow gorge
what should it be at
mellow gorge
revenge and shield slam seem usually vary
wet compass
I don't have this spear spell in my damage
mellow gorge
hmm
wet compass
also that's only if you have the damage revenge leggo lol
strong forum
No
strong forum
This is with reprisal
wet compass
oh wtf
strong forum
Yes
mellow gorge
im unsure though, i'm using all my aoes but it always feel like i'm lacking some sort of damage
strong forum
Evne then spear shouldn't be near top dmg
mellow gorge
i'll do an m+ at some point and send a log
mellow gorge
weird
mellow gorge
i mean don't get me wrong, it deals 400-500k dmg in a full dungeon
I'll have to check
forest blade
With Resprisals tooltip, shouldn't charge generate 40 rage since it already has a base of 20 rage
mossy sluice
yeah
sweet summit
it does ye
strong forum
This is my dmg breakdown from last week with wall + bolster
Before the buffs
18 mists
mellow gorge
What was the total average dps ?
strong forum
4.2k
mellow gorge
hot damn
mellow gorge
and what's the ilvl ?
strong forum
224
mellow gorge
at some point later on in the evening
just unsure if i'm doing anything wrong
since i am making sure nothing is on CD
amber herald
+2 with seismic still counts right 
mellow gorge
the highest i've reached was 4.4k but that was in NW so we don't talk about that
strong forum
Yeah NW is big pad
mellow gorge
those javelins and discharged anima balls hit hard
grand drum
NW with rogues before they nerfed mantle
amber herald
fun detected
uneven mason
I always leap over to the spear and yoink it
strong forum
I have to use anima orb on 2nd boss everytime
uneven mason
and then chuck it through 2 packs at once
strong forum
Cuz we don't have any hard CCs
uneven mason
so the mobs go squit
strong forum
And lack dmg
mossy sluice
do the nw weapons scale w/ avatar and stuff or nah
lofty widget
yeh
mossy sluice
yeah i knew about crit but wasnt sure about damage amps
uneven mason
IDK if they can crit anymoer after that first round MDI crap
lofty widget
dmg amps dont work, at least not any pwar ones
restive wigeon
I felt like warbreaker worked
amber herald
wings works
restive wigeon
maybe it was pseudo
lofty widget
maybe having a boomking with their legendary use items now?
restive wigeon
but I felt like it did
sick sentinel
what is duration of reprisal sb
uneven mason
4s
mellow gorge
Btw is the kleia soulbind worth using or pelagos all the way?
uneven mason
pepegos
uneven mason
mikanikos good mix
until he drops big knockback and wipes you
plush tendon
Booming Voice is still recommended on the Wowhead guide over BSC and I cant find anywhere on it that would suggest to ever take BSC. What is the logic behind BSC or Booming Voice while using reprisal specifically?
restive wigeon
that has never wiped me but he always seem to proc at unfortunate times for me
when I wanna invis
mossy sluice
more revenge damage and bigger revenges more often
restive wigeon
wish there was an option to dismiss him
amber herald
Booming Voice is still recommended on the Wowhead guide over BSC and I cant find...
reprisal gives equivalent rage to BV
north copper
man feel like i got swept up in the necrolords hype but still seems like most stayed on kyrian prot
amber herald
and reprisal means we're getting a lot more empowered revenges as well
north copper
also, am vs bolster?
uneven mason
man feel like i got swept up in the necrolords hype but still seems like most st...
yeah lot of hype, not much impact
at least its an option now
north copper
might transfer to kyrian after upgrading my cov gear
plush tendon
man feel like i got swept up in the necrolords hype but still seems like most st...
I personally dont miss Kyrian. If I were to ever swap out of necrolord, it would be for Night Fae
strong forum
Kleia is a solid offensive option now on multitarget actually
crude pond
Kyrian vs Necro 9.0.5 for m+ content?
brittle owl
prob go kyrian
north copper
NF ability seems so awkward for whenever you have to kite tho
strong forum
When do you have to kite
brittle owl
you kinda know if necro is the correct choice
amber herald
you get soulshape for kiting
brittle owl
i.e.: you can play around ut with your group
sharp sun
I personally dont miss Kyrian. If I were to ever swap out of necrolord, it would...
I much prefer NF over Kyrian for M+ at least, depends what you mainly do 😄
lavish oracle
I would swap NF if like 60% of my groups weren't NF already
north copper
haven't played much prot warrior in SL but wasn't tank kiting meta like one of the biggest complaints
plush tendon
Yea, part of the reason im necrolord is Tmog, ability is fun to use, and there are also not a lot of necrolords
wet compass
nf ability is amazing also you get first strike as a dps
mellow gorge
when running bolster, should i just use my 2 shield block charges?
sharp sun
Yeah I did hear this earlier about there being alot of NF and therefore most prots may be running Kyrian still
wet compass
25% increased crit during your storm better hope you have an md or you are ripping
plush tendon
haven't played much prot warrior in SL but wasn't tank kiting meta like one of t...
A lot of mobs and dungeons have been nerf enough not to be as bad anymore
north copper
wish venthyr was good really want that haste soulbind ability
sharp sun
wish venthyr was good really want that haste soulbind ability
and their mog is sexy
plush tendon
Its perfectly viable
chilly brook
wish venthyr was good really want that haste soulbind ability
It's good in raid
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
restive wigeon
look at all these night faes trying to trick people into joining their covenant
crisp dragon
Its so hard playing with the casual playerbase, I just dread it 😢
restive wigeon
kyrian/necro all the way boys
north copper
mostly pugging M+s unfortunately
restive wigeon
dont let them fairies fool you
primal mauve
Hey guys, fresh prot warrior here (Kyrian) what should my first legendary be considering the new patch and that my aim is Mythics
chilly brook
look at all these night faes trying to trick people into joining their covenant
NF is pretty poggers
sharp sun
Come to the fairy side, we have.... magic shrooms?
uneven mason
Hey guys, fresh prot warrior here (Kyrian) what should my first legendary be con...
Reprisal
north copper
the NF mog makes me heave tho
north copper
i don't wanna look like a tree
uneven mason
the NF mog makes me heave tho
all the new mogs are 🤮 but for NL
chilly brook
NF mog is actually dope
strong forum
Should I roll NF for 200 dps gain but lose tether and Kyrian potion? :worry:
north copper
true kyrian got the soda cup holders tho
restive wigeon
but like everyone is nf already, balance, fire, hunters
plush tendon
NF is interesting
chilly brook
Assuming you get the winter set
polar radish
NF looks so bad on a tauren
restive wigeon
kyrian is actually the most useful dungeon bonus I would say
chilly brook
Eh
severe oak
should we get a little bit mastery on prot ?
restive wigeon
cuz everyone is fae
sharp sun
Should I roll NF for 200 dps gain but lose tether and Kyrian potion? :worry:
You get the 4xknockdown instead of the tether for M+ at least
jagged pier
should we get a little bit mastery on prot ?
ilvl
severe oak
im low i'm gearing up rn
jagged pier
stats dont matter until u have 2 pieces of armour at the same ilvl then its haste
chilly brook
Should I roll NF for 200 dps gain but lose tether and Kyrian potion? :worry:
Locking down caster packs for 12 seconds is far more valuable imho than either of those
strong forum
Hm...
uneven mason
im low i'm gearing up rn
item levle is all that matters
north copper
i would complain about the 1.5m cooldown on NF but conqueror's banner is 2m lmao
chilly brook
It's not even 1.5
uneven mason
1.25
severe oak
okay thanks guys
uneven mason
😄
sharp sun
FUCK I HAVE TO GET THE CONDUIT
F
chilly brook
FUCK I HAVE TO GET THE CONDUIT
Just kill heroic donny
mossy sluice
heroic sire drops it now right
strong forum
Yeah cba
chilly brook
Or normal donny
restive wigeon
I got my necro conduit from epic calling
north copper
ok 75 looks kinda fun actually
kyrian ability just feels like nothing when u use it lmao
vestal moat
I want to go Venthyur so bad now that prog is over.
crisp dragon
kyrian ability just feels like nothing when u use it lmao
wadduyoumeanlmao
it slaps
vestal moat
wish you c ould switch covenants easier.
plush tendon
ok 75 looks kinda fun actually
I agree, I dont care for it
restive wigeon
it slaps and literally gives you 350 mastery for 20 seconds if youre on pelagos and collect all balls
north copper
idk it feels like you put this thing and the ground and it's just there
crisp dragon
I can literally crit 20k with Spear
uneven mason
Oh 20K
north copper
need the hype like popping banner or even pally divine toll
mossy sluice
idk it feels like you put this thing and the ground and it's just there
thats literally the same as nightfae
uneven mason
*Laughs in Aftershock
crisp dragon
I dont see any NF logging better than Kyrian, so I doubt Ill switch
amber herald
korayn with AA?
strong forum
It crits for 10-12k but yeah, spear is still pump
chilly brook
I wouldn't have known he even did anything when he pressed banner if he didnt have a yell macro
plush tendon
Hes got a huge banner on his back!!!
north copper
yo the banner lookin sick tho
chilly brook
I dont see any NF logging better than Kyrian, so I doubt Ill switch
Uhhhh
chilly brook
I had logs that were better than a lot of Kyrian
supple glacier
I don’t won’t go around whit a stick in my ass
chilly brook
But that was a while ago
And everyone has probably dumpstered them by now
Because kill times and gear and 9.0.5 buff
north copper
oh ancient aftershock is capped 😔
solemn magnet
I was only NF for a day, so Im probably just wrong, but I noticed on caster packs using AA theyd get knocked down, then get a cast off since most mob casts are less than 3sec, then get knocked down again kinda negating the point of the knock down.
tame jasper
finally - my repirsal leg 😄
plush tendon
I was only NF for a day, so Im probably just wrong, but I noticed on caster pack...
Fair, but it can interrupt channels, bladestorms, etc. I imagine
crisp dragon
When Sense switches, Ill switch
chilly brook
Sense gonna pump regardless
plush tendon
Still the same I imagine
north copper
thinking i'll switch to nf if it's whatever
restive wigeon
the kyrian was on kleia
north copper
but kyrian pot was so value for those weeks
restive wigeon
wouldve been #1 on pelagos
jagged pier
well no
restive wigeon
well ye
sick sentinel
i'm never going to have that ??? trinket
jagged pier
its less
uneven mason
I dont see any NF logging better than Kyrian, so I doubt Ill switch
IDK we're out there.
sick sentinel
ran a million times never dropp
crisp dragon
ofc
north copper
can see condemn being good for raids
crisp dragon
execute phase on huntsman is great
chilly brook
3 in top 20 on inerva
plush tendon
I mean, isnt the point of a cov like Necro to buff raid DPS more? so like, you may not parse, but your raid should do more overall dps
chilly brook
1 in #6 on sludge
crisp dragon
First one being top 10
uneven mason
Damage wise Kyrian/NF are very close
but most heavy prog warriors use Kryian for that potioni
its just a big ole quality of life save my ass that is too good to give up in progression
uneven mason
The pot is useless in raid change my mind
It might be, but thats why they use it
crisp dragon
The pot is useless in raid change my mind
i have to agree 25% is nice, but not world saving
jagged pier
so does AA
solemn magnet
How useful is soulshape in raid, at the same time?
chilly brook
Theres so much that goes into being top of the logs that its not as simple as covenant being the main factor
uneven mason
so does AA
pillar every 1min, AA is 1min 15s
solemn magnet
I do fine without it
uneven mason
Soulshape is occasionally useful
chilly brook
How useful is soulshape in raid, at the same time?
Very nice on sire
solemn magnet
About as useful as pot
jagged pier
pillar every 1min, AA is 1min 15s
pretty sure u could get it in at the end with conduit may be close tho
uneven mason
pretty sure u could get it in at the end with conduit may be close tho
you'll miss 2 pillars iwth AA
crisp dragon
pillar every 1min, AA is 1min 15s
uneven mason
or nm you can get 3 of them IF you time it perfectly on the 1st
but its like a 2s window
uneven mason
IT really does
odd verge
Question my pwars kings. I’m a casual pushing +13 range on PUGs and I just want to understand how much harder is it to get KSM through pugging.
Also, I’m at 209 with really mismatched stat weighs from gear but I feel comfortable tanking.
Should I gradually climb and gear up, or just #yolo?
uneven mason
If you can complete 13s in time you can do 15s in time
runic hare
Think the hardest part is to get accepted into pugs to begin with
amber herald
NF seems biggest QOL with reprisal seeing as how you have soulshape and the new leggo uses up heroic leap/intervene for shield block charges now
uneven mason
hardest part is yeha, getting into the pug
sick sentinel
What do you think guys? What is our BiS M+ Covenant for Season 2?
uneven mason
NF seems biggest QOL with reprisal seeing as how you have soulshape and the new ...
AA knockdown in M+ is amazing
for interrupts
chilly brook
I'd play NF even if I didn't have access to my omegalul dragon blink
wanton panther
I only use phial at Mythic Huntsman when solo tanking Margore. Without is we will simply tank swap.
wet compass
AA knockdown is soooo good
chilly brook
Tbh I dont even notice remornia bleed
plush tendon
What do you think guys? What is our BiS M+ Covenant for Season 2?
NF or Kyrian for pugging, Necrolord for organized groups. If you have a consistent group, take into account what Covs other people in your party have cause you can cover the unrepresented one including venthyr
wanton panther
On sire you use Phial and 10 sec after you have 4 stacks again.
elfin nova
Other than that it's whatever, soulshape would have been sick for council but the stoneguard got gutted now so i doubt it matters now (also depends what your cotank is)
odd verge
If you can complete 13s in time you can do 15s in time
The way forward is just to spam LFG and pray someone takes me.
elfin nova
@chilly brook on mythic?
chilly brook
Nah I stopped tanking on inerva for mythic because I moved to a different guild
Now I'm fury boy in raid
arctic wasp
On sire you use Phial and 10 sec after you have 4 stacks again.
i think potion is really overrated, in paper sounds a lot better than it is, is nice but not that powerful, i really think new fleshcraft is better
sick sentinel
NF or Kyrian for pugging, Necrolord for organized groups. If you have a consiste...
so youre evaluating a dungeon specific buff in f.e. Halls higher than Banner for a Bunch of Mastery Classes?
chilly brook
The biggest thing on sire anyways are the melees not the bleed from remornia in p2
elfin nova
On mythic remornia kinda slaps and the prevailing 'strat' is one tank keeps her for a lot of stacks and then phials them off at the start of p2. You can swap more and/or use bop though so it's definitely not needed
plush tendon
so youre evaluating a dungeon specific buff in f.e. Halls higher than Banner for...
Those dungeon bonuses are quite strong. Imagine not having a Kyrian in Necrotic Wake, or a Venthyr in SD or Halls. Even the Maldraxxus dungeons got some buffs and quality of life added
granted, less important in lower keys, but its super nice to be able to utilize them
wanton panther
i think potion is really overrated, in paper sounds a lot better than it is, is ...
Having 3 potions is very good dont get me wrong (phial, healthstone, hp pot). But I think that sexy 30.000 hp bubble is nice.
solemn magnet
Question my pwars kings. I’m a casual pushing +13 range on PUGs and I just want ...
Your biggest hurdle pugging KSM is going to be your Rio. Pugs will be wanting people already doing 15s so expect invites to be slow if you're sub 1100. I pugged my KSM in a week, just grind your 13s up to 14s while trying to grt into 15s.
elfin nova
And don't do it this week
mellow gorge
this week
elfin nova
Do it last week, if possible
mellow gorge
is sad
odd verge
Your biggest hurdle pugging KSM is going to be your Rio. Pugs will be wanting pe...
Thank you.
solemn magnet
Yeah, this is a bad push week
mossy sluice
generally fort weeks are better
sick sentinel
granted, less important in lower keys, but its super nice to be able to utilize ...
so in a perfect world you got 4 covenant tanks for your m+ coordinated group (which is more important then spec or class in a way)?
chilly brook
Those dungeon bonuses are quite strong. Imagine not having a Kyrian in Necrotic ...
Realistically Kyrian is the least impactful dungeon bonus even in NW
odd verge
Nice. Probably will try to bring RIO up this week and hopefully get better gear, then push next week. Maybe make a couple of likeminded players while pugging, add them to friends and push.
sick sentinel
so in a perfect world you got 4 covenant tanks for your m+ coordinated group (wh...
- fae, cause everybody plays it
chilly brook
Since you don't need the orbs in NW, and everyone can pick up weapons
plush tendon
Realistically Kyrian is the least impactful dungeon bonus even in NW
IDK, it pumps. And if you know the new technology you can start the dungeon with it 😛
arctic wasp
Having 3 potions is very good dont get me wrong (phial, healthstone, hp pot). Bu...
that's true, i mean a 3rd potion is always awesome!, but it has only 1 use per encounter, that sucks, fleshcrafr you can get easily 2 uses if not 3, and the dmg reduction is a nice bonus, on m+ they prob are similar, but in raid fleshcraft def better
mossy sluice
pretty sure they fixed the pre dungeon stuff
chilly brook
They did
odd verge
Having 3 potions is very good dont get me wrong (phial, healthstone, hp pot). Bu...
Is fleshcraft clunky to use?
plush tendon
Damn, fun detected
elfin nova
You can run out as the timer for the dungeon starts
I don't know if that is fixed
If so it was very recently
plush tendon
still, its a good buff, and having the spear stun in SoA is very helpful
arctic wasp
Is fleshcraft clunky to use?
not really if you are expecting a big dmg inc you can always precast it , i mean if you know the fight there is always a moment you can stay still 3 seconds, just need to plan it, is not hard
plush tendon
especially fortified last angel
chilly brook
Sure its helpful just imho not as helpful as necro for example
Big dam buff plus DR
And perma BL
desert aurora
hey ive seen some streamers with a banner weakaura when they use it, it shows who has the buff. did they make it themselves? i couldnt find it on wago
plush tendon
so in a perfect world you got 4 covenant tanks for your m+ coordinated group (wh...
If you run with a constant group that you do keys with, having all the Covs is only a benefit. If you dont run with a constant group, then this doesnt really apply
prisma bear
fleshcraft is also very helpful for prot to absorb the orbs on 3rd golem boss in soa
plush tendon
However, there is a premium on classes who can be Venthyr and Necro without giving up too much
prisma bear
the damage reduce near the end
plush tendon
due to their under representation
odd verge
not really if you are expecting a big dmg inc you can always precast it , i mean...
Cool. And in Mythics with the reduction from corpses, we get a cast every... 2-3 packs of mobs?
mild ruin
3 is probably a safe bet
arctic wasp
Cool. And in Mythics with the reduction from corpses, we get a cast every... 2-3...
yeah 3 prob, is also very nice in pride, with 10+ stacks you pretty much neglect all the dmg
mild ruin
hey ive seen some streamers with a banner weakaura when they use it, it shows wh...
if you get a link to that WA please pm me 😛
azure flint
Anyone got a good Weak aura for banner? Something to say “banner up in 5 seconds!”
arctic wasp
just with fleshcraft, NL gives a huge boost in hps, i know is not something everyone is after, like normally ppl focus on dmg because its makes sense, but is always satisfactory whnen your healers says "nice i dont have to heal u too much and i can focus on dmg :P"
odd verge
Cool. I might try it out. Just the time to farm renown is a little hurdle.
desert aurora
Anyone got a good Weak aura for banner? Something to say “banner up in 5 seconds...
theres one in wago countsdown from 15 seconds
odd verge
Yeah, playing for the team. I see great uses for anti snare too.
mossy sluice
theyre the same ability
if youre using it for the anti snare you're probably not getting value out of the mastery
odd verge
True. What about certain scenarios like Xymox, during the suck you can banner up with a bunch of boomies, stand there and nuke?
chilly brook
Like I said
I ran with a necroboi
Wouldnt have even known he did anything or that banner did anything for me if he didnt have a loud ass yell macro
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
mossy sluice
suck still effects you even w/ the 100% resistance
death's advance makes you immune to it because of the knockback immunity
odd verge
suck still effects you even w/ the 100% resistance
Confirmed? :/
uneven mason
Yes
mossy sluice
ghost wolf
uneven mason
because its not a snare the "pull"
its just forced movement
you need like 190% Movement to completely negate it in the last second
elfin nova
The snare resistance only affects you as well, right?
runic hare
Confirmed? :/
Well, you can always give the banner to two UH dks instead 😄
odd verge
elfin nova
Or does it actually share
arctic wasp
i think only DKs can neglect the pull of that boss
tropic cobalt
Reprisel better than Wall now yeah. Espicially for M+?
mossy sluice
debatable in raid, wall still really strong. m+ its a def win
tropic cobalt
Sweet ty
plush tendon
Wouldnt have even known he did anything or that banner did anything for me if he...
So you are saying I need a /rw BANNER macro?
elfin nova
It's probably more useful if you just press it at the right time for the dps you're giving it to so they don't have to think
plush tendon
Wheres the fun in that?
chilly brook
So you are saying I need a /rw BANNER macro?
I'm just saying it wasn't a noticeable change for me
But then again I'm fury
And not a fire mage
tardy granite
did anyone of u guys know how much max dps can do as a prot warrior in M+ ?
chilly brook
did anyone of u guys know how much max dps can do as a prot warrior in M+ ?
A lot
Depending on dungeon
plush tendon
did anyone of u guys know how much max dps can do as a prot warrior in M+ ?
A number greater then 0
tardy granite
e.g. on Mist i say
mossy sluice
prob around a billion dps if i had to guess
chilly brook
Like upwards of 6k if you're feeling adventurous
north copper
NF is the way to go if I wanna big dick my pug m+ dps meters?
chilly brook
But that's being very adventurous
Running seismic etc.
On mists just doing things regularly probably 4.5-5k if you're pulling big
chilly brook
My highest as prot in mists was 3.9k
plush tendon
but noooooo, I have to use my geography skills to guess shapes or something
uneven mason
big sads for the maze
chilly brook
And that was before aura buff and the talent changes and before I had a lot more gear
uneven mason
but noooooo, I have to use my geography skills to guess shapes or something
kindergarten "Which one doesn't belong" skills
TFW people can't do the maze
crude pond
so Thunderlord vs Reprisal?
uneven mason
TL was never good
median tulip
so Thunderlord vs Reprisal?
Reprisal
uneven mason
post nerf
crude pond
ummm sounds nice
crude pond
TW or Reprisal then? haha
uneven mason
Reprisal for M+
crude pond
😉
chilly brook
Reprisal is the new king
uneven mason
if you have to go with one reprisal is overall best
TW has its uses in raid
but Reprisal used effectively can rival it in most fights
crude pond
ty guys
woven trellis
btw guys
the aura we received is 10% dmg but
it was supposed to be 10% effectivity right?
like buffing every spell
not just dmg
woven trellis
but the first time they talked about it
toxic otter
non damage spells were not buffed
quick pecan
No you don’t
uneven mason
it was supposed to be 10% effectivity right?
it buffs all of our abilities
doesn't impact trinkets and auto attacks
mossy sluice
big thunderclap snare dreams
woven trellis
well i remember that, my memory may be wrong but i do remember it xd
okay
but 10% buffing on abilities
exactly
i read it like that
so i thought like IP was going to be buff as well
uneven mason
the abilities included in the list
woven trellis
and things like that
uneven mason
IP was not included
woven trellis
oke
open monolith
you guys think any warriors will show up in MDI with reprisal today?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA jk we know they won't.
mossy sluice
im waitin for the simp meta to come to mdi. necrolord warrior, night fae pal, night fae priest, some 4th class and a fire mage who is the chad of the group
chilly brook
you guys think any warriors will show up in MDI with reprisal today?
They might
plush tendon
I wonder if they are going to do any further tuning. Our WW and MM hunters are not happy right now
at least in raid
open monolith
nope. no reason to bring one over a VDH for MDI
chilly brook
I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see warrior for a specific dungeon
open monolith
slower, less dps, less utility 🙂
chilly brook
For some wacky strat
chilly brook
Yea
I'm just sayin I wouldn't be surprised to see it show up once for a wacky strat
craggy pilot
lol just on a dummy for the first time in forever as prot, do we rly just get 2 rage pr AA? 😮
chilly brook
lol just on a dummy for the first time in forever as prot, do we rly just get 2 ...
Per target hit
The rage gain is based on how many are hit
craggy pilot
AA hits multiple targets?
chilly brook
Yes
chilly brook
Look at the tooltip lol
strong forum
Ancient aftershock
strong forum
Not auto attack.
sweet summit
craggy pilot
damn cleave AA would be sick 😄
was looking at Devastator and Deep Wounds hahahaha
but man 2 rage pr AA is looooow
craggy pilot
so haste is good because of Shield Slam CD?
sweet summit
and 3 rage for getting hit (with a 1 seconds ICD)
because lower CD on like every button and GCD
plush tendon
Haste increases rage gen overall and reduce SB CD
sweet summit
which means more rage
plush tendon
also, zoom zoom
sweet summit
and more CDR through AM
plush tendon
me press buttons
craggy pilot
okok 🙂
open monolith
hmmm.. maybe we'll see a necrolord warrior for boomy + fire mage buffs?
that's like... the only reason i think you'd see one over a VDH
but... i don't think that makes up for the pure utility and damage of a VDH
plush tendon
Ive stopped watching MDI personally: I like to watch a run here and there, but once you see one team do a dungeon, you've seen all the teams do that same dungeon since they are all running the same comp and utilizing the same strats
chilly brook
Idk usually you get to see some differing strats
delicate thorn
MDI is just people doing M+ as fast as possible or?
chilly brook
The overall group makeup is usually the same tho for sure
chilly brook
MDI is just people doing M+ as fast as possible or?
Basically yes
delicate thorn
ok
lavish oracle
Hm, should I spend my valor on a haste/mastery helmet or try my luck getting the haste/vers one from wake
open monolith
honestly my favorite MDI meta shakeup is seeing holy pallies aka 4th DPS
delicate thorn
I don't do M+ at all, the whole concept of having a timer over my head makes me not want to participate 😐
lavish oracle
I always end up watching like one cup and the finals
cinder nova
What're the highest DPS trinkets? 🤔 I assume Phial of Putrefication, what else?
open monolith
you're missing out on like.. the most repeatable end game pve content in the game
it's just a game. IF you miss the timer your actual life doesn't change at all.
mossy sluice
if you fail the key you die irl
lavish oracle
gotta fail keys to time keys
open monolith
I'll never understand "tank anxiety" and "group anxiety" and all that stuff
it's just a game.
lavish oracle
I mean, I get it
delicate thorn
@open monolith I am pretty fine with doing 4 bosses on heroic once a week
chilly brook
Failing keys is the most important thing you can do tbh
open monolith
literally nothing that happens in it will have any lasting effect on anything
lavish oracle
I had mad ladder anxiety when I played SC2
open monolith
idk what you're talking about. I got KSM from the get go by never failing any keys ever
I'm definitely not lying.
craggy pilot
so in order to not overstack SB, i should never SB/Charge/Intervene when the duration is 6+ right?
cinder nova
It can go over 6.
open monolith
you can get up to 18 seconds of SB (without bolster)
cinder nova
Anything past 18s is a waste.
delicate thorn
@chilly brook If I am not good at something immediately I don't do it, this goes for everything in my life 😄
craggy pilot
rly? i cant get it over 12s on dummy
open monolith
Well you're on the path for mediocrity!
cinder nova
Depends on the legendaries you're using.
uneven mason
Ruh oh did they nerf the cap too?
craggy pilot
i have Reprisal
chilly brook
<@!133532617940140032> If I am not good at something immediately I don't do it, ...
Must not do a whole lot and why are you still playing this game then?
chilly brook
cinder nova
Uh
uneven mason
someone in game check that?
chilly brook
Sorry couldn't resist
open monolith
They may have stealth nerfed the cap
cinder nova
You have three charges.
craggy pilot
oh wait nvm it went to 14s 😄
uneven mason
phew
cinder nova
Intervene and Charge x2
uneven mason
making me madbro
cinder nova
Interevene some other shmuck near the dummies lol
craggy pilot
so cap is 16 seconds right?
uneven mason
18
mossy sluice
18
cinder nova
lavish oracle
No, that checks out 6+4+4-2 GCDs
craggy pilot
ok thx 🙂