pride is good because its both beneficial and taxing
#protection
blazing condor
wet compass
and I hate that tyrannical bosses are basically balanced with prideful in mind
fringe marten
I did too jakey, as the xpac started and the keys and the prideful mob itself wasn't that big of a deal..and that pug healers who are 'meh' could handle it fine.
wet compass
20% ghosts were fun because I didn't give a shit when reaping came it could come during bosses and still be fine
jagged pier
yer but like it didnt do anything imagine you are your healer working together say in like grevious week to keep u at 4 stacks and like below 50% hp all the time so u just do uber damage
would be so interesting
this is just and example of an idea but they could do loads of stuff
wet compass
and it would feel crazy painful in pugs
fringe marten
So it has to tell you something, when the best Mythic dungeon teams in the world..with literally the best possible gear would try and skip any prideful mob they could that wasn't absolutely critical.
jagged pier
like healers dont healer for a min or they have to do a certain amount of damage and they get a healing buff for like 5 mins or somthing
it would make dungeons way more fun the healers like right im not healing for x amount of time
play around it with pots etc
fringe marten
When those groups say "nope..the time and effort involved in killing that thing, for a GIGANTIC damage boost is absolutely not worth"
It is only my opinion and everyone can have their own and that's fine; but I am of the opinion that the seasonal affix should be a themed 'boost'. Something you WANT to interact with, and plan around using for the dungeon. Not the healer going "oh god...here comes prideful..." and the group saying the same thing "ugh..well we HAVE to kill this so we can grind through this terrible boss with a bazillion HP"
blazing condor
i mean usually you line up the routes to utilize the prides efficiently
wet compass
It is only my opinion and everyone can have their own and that's fine; but I am ...
This 100% this and if you don't kill the boss with prideful they key is dead
fringe marten
The routes have always been designed around taking the seasons affix into consideration; NOT having the affix punish you, and you just have to deal with it because it gives you something you NEED to deal with their overtuned dungeons (it's mostly a tyrannical bosses thing).
strong forum
Wft 
strong forum
Na i mean windfury totem
wet compass
Blame Erga
strong forum
wet compass
I didn't make the sim
fringe marten
The pillars in BFA final season...when you activated ANY of those mobs were you worried about them wrecking the group and sweating if you needed to burn cd's for it or not? Or was it something you utilized as a bonus to push through the dungeon?
strong forum
A bonus to push through
wet compass
The Pillars in BFA are the only affix I have actually liked outside of bwom and bwom was basically a non affix
strong forum
They were NEVER a threat to the group
Never ever never were they dangerous to the group
wet compass
and that isn't a bad thing
strong forum
Yes
fringe marten
But it didn't feel punishing..it didn't feel like you had to surgically pull the dungeon EXACTLY, and if some pug hunter was out of position and pulled an extra mob..? who cares? kill it and move on.
strong forum
But now you're insanely punished by prideful mobs
Cuz it literally makes you wipe on high keys
Or you need to commit serious CDs to it
wet compass
We agree Nome we agree
strong forum
Awakened was peak affix
Next to reaping ofc
Prideful is nice, but it needs it's dmg / health reduced alot tbh
fringe marten
AND to top it all off; the prideful buff they've built these bosses around expecting you'll have it....if you wipe, there's no recovery..it's over. I know that a wipe was going to really strain the key in BFA, and 2 was PROBABLY rip key.
wet compass
Yep that's the big issue the bosses are balanced around it
strong forum
In bfa you could do 2 pillars with end bosses
fringe marten
But now they're basically asking the random pugging community to now be surgically precise with your routes, and have zero failure tolerance.
strong forum
In SL you cant even do the prideful mob paired with anything
forest fern
well to time it that is, hence why you see the after timer free prideful thing, they know its needed which is the "mistake" of it i think
makes me wonder what we're getting next season and if they'll have to go in and rebalance everything cause of the change
fringe marten
Right..as you got stronger in bfa final season, you got to use that affix in a way that made you feel like you were getting stronger, that you could adapt your strategy around getting more gear/corruption..etc. You push higher in SL's now..you STILL aren't pulling a pride into a substantial pack of mobs for efficiency.
unique shale
it has to do with chains i guess
fringe marten
LOL didn't even notice nom said basically the same thing I did
lofty widget
domination
wet compass
chains between all party members that deal damage to anyone caught between them
including mobs
let's go
unique shale
lol
fringe marten
Ok so feel me on this...
verbal pelican
😄 hope you'll enjoy it 😄
unique shale
can't wait m+ become only for range players
wet compass
wait it isn't already?
strong forum
Wait melee play m+?
fringe marten
If that's the season 2 affix...I certainly hope dungeons are tuned down SUBSTANTIALLY because kiting with chains that kill people? yup..not a thing~
unique shale
meh
wet compass
no see dad you use the chains to kill mobs
strong forum
They killed every good melee spec + punish you heavily to play melee
verbal pelican
waaaait did they hotfix it already? Just yesterday evening it showed 4 but gave me 6 😦
fringe marten
hm? ok. we'll see.
strong forum
Yeah playing reprisal will be a bit harder now
But still very very good
Skill ceiling just Rose alot
unique shale
get mobs to gather 
and chain them
wet compass
fuck why would they do this
lucid cedar
every domination spell in WoW is based around mind control, I wonder if Jailer will just assume control of a mob or someone in your group
fringe marten
I just honestly get the impression the devs said "I have this neat idea..." "...now I don't play any of this content on my main, I JUST do raiding..so? I think the way this works is fine..tanking M+ is fine right now I think?"
wet compass
I just honestly get the impression the devs said "I have this neat idea..." "....
accurrate
wet compass
nah more like this
and the mobs will be in the center
and the tanks will have to hop over chains like jump rope
while tanking
fringe marten
So let's compare it to the affix it was obviously modeled after...bwonsamdi's spirits. Why do you think they made the pride give that insane buff? Because everyone skipped the 100% wave in BFA. So they wanted to design it so you 'wanted' to kill it. But how much harder is prideful than that affix was? That affix was fun because it was a huge clapfiesta and all you had to do was dodge a purple swirly on the ground.
unique shale
mind control will be fun tbh fire mage get mind control big offff 🤣
wet compass
oh god please no mind control
fringe marten
Even the emissary seasonal...from Azhara; NO ONE Liked that...but it still wasn't as punishing or time consuming or even effected the dungeon route nearly as much.
stable kernel
Pride is just annoying
median tulip
I'm currently wondering if the Shadowlands Season 2 Affix will be something Maw-related, or if it'll be something to do with the Brokers
wet compass
We already figured out the new affix lol
unique shale
domination
wind surge
pay your taxes to enter the key
wet compass
Chains connecting everyone that deal damage when touched
fits their whole kiss curse thing
and is extremely punishing to pugs
and says fuck melee
strong forum
Ticking all the boxes eh
unique shale
sound fine to me still
strong forum
Fuck melee, fuck tanks, fuck positioning and fuck healers
unique shale
strong forum
Sounds like m+
wet compass
you forgot fuck pugs
fringe marten
Everything combined; the way higher dungeon difficulty (strength of trash, bosses, and mechanical demands of some of the bosses) the fact that there's SO many casters in every zone now, the angry punishing seasonal affix...AND THEN garbage ass loot at the end.. has turned M+ into a pug unfriendly finger pointing contest of who fucked up and why; and then people bailing on the key.
median tulip
Fuck melee, fuck tanks, fuck positioning and fuck healers
Gotta keep the Boomkin/Fire Mage/Marks Huntard demographic happy
unique shale
outer bronze
do you guys open vault in fury to elimate the tank trinkets or in prot to eliminate the 2 handers?
fringe marten
I'm popping vault as prot every week until I get the scale.
strong forum
I loot as prot cuz I still need a shield
unique shale
it depends what are you looking for
wet compass
in prot because I still need a fucking shield and scale
fringe marten
but scale is on fury loot table right?
lucid cedar
the M+ trifecta: the kiter, the support and the mage
fringe marten
OH that's right I checked weeks ago...I knew there was a reason I said "ok..opening vault as prot forever until that"
wet compass
wait why did you say simp twice?
fringe marten
I have a 226 shield with haste and even a tertiary..speed? I believe.
Still opening as prot each week
wet compass
I hate you lol
wet compass
die
sweet summit
Doesnt matter what lootspec i open it with cos i get shit anyway 😔
fringe marten
My only non 226 slots are the heroic sire ring @220 and the..? Inerva ring @vivid light3
unique shale
lol
placid oar
Good day guys, to use reprisal effectively. Do I use my shield after a charge and continue with my normal rotation or is there actually a better optimum way to play?
I worry that I may have a gap on my SB since I don’t run bolstering now. Only tanked 2 dungeons with that legendary and trying to learn the best way.
wet compass
die die die dei
outer bronze
die die die dei
i can't die, my shield is too strong
sweet summit
Charge and get SB on cd asap
unique shale
blizz really hate us
wet compass
and yet your are still less tanky than a leather boy dual wielding
unique shale
lol
fringe marten
eh..? no
sweet summit
You can also get intervene on CD pretty fast as well unless you need it for something else
outer bronze
and yet your are still less tanky than a leather boy dual wielding
im a guardian main this tier 😦
fringe marten
We're not less tanky
outer bronze
warr just a bad geared alt for now, might main it in 9.1
sweet summit
SB caps at 18 seconds duration so dont zoom too fast
placid oar
Charge and get SB on cd asap
Is it okay to have 1 charge on when I intervene or charge to another?
placid oar
You can also get intervene on CD pretty fast as well unless you need it for some...
I see
sweet summit
Always have at least one charge of charge/sb on cooldown
placid oar
SB caps at 18 seconds duration so dont zoom too fast
Ah I see, that’s wonderful info
Got it Erga, that is great advice
sweet summit
median tulip
Good day guys, to use reprisal effectively. Do I use my shield after a charge an...
Charge, throw the free Revenge for threat and put Shield Block up to get the Cooldown turning. Then Shield Slam the primary target
placid oar
I better get practicing to get used to it
sweet summit
Good luck mate
placid oar
Charge, throw the free Revenge for threat and put Shield Block up to get the Coo...
Got it, thx Zetakya
sweet summit
Keep owning
sweet summit
placid oar
🤗
wet compass
how much acid were the south park creators on for this special holy shit lol
unique shale
prot war is best
even if it is at trash tier
do you guys get [Unnerving Focus] as kyrain or [Brutal Vitality] ?
lofty widget
unnerving
strong forum
Doesnt matter what lootspec i open it with cos i get shit anyway 😔
3x stygia in a row currently
blazing condor
focus
fringe marten
Even though I'm still trying to run Anger man's instead of bolster...I still use unnerving. I use bolster for blast packs..for better durability from the HP and all the revenges~
45% more rage gain is nutty
blazing condor
last stand is still a good CD to use even if you dont get SB
put some rage gain on it and its even better
brutal vitality or the other alternatives just arent really good enough
fringe marten
Brutal Vit just has so SO little real value in M+
lucid cedar
It would be cool if it refreshed the buff, slowly building your shield while kiting
strong forum
Kiting 
crisp dragon
Kiting
median tulip
Brutal Vit just has so SO little real value in M+
It's shit in Raids too; bosses almost always knock IP right off you so it never does anything
crisp dragon
I use IP mostly when Im overcapping rage or I know a big hit is aboutta hit
We need :revengepepe:
verbal pelican
Btw fueled by violence is worth the conduit slot?
crisp dragon
🇳 🇴
cunning parcel
Hows reprisal doing in raid?
crisp dragon
Hows reprisal doing in raid?
Good, on some fights
median tulip
Hows reprisal doing in raid?
Good on some fights,but you can safely use The Wall on everything without issue
forest fern
if the boss has some casting gaps giving you time for "cheeky" charges then yeah its not too bad
verbal pelican
so for kyrians, i should rather use the row for second potency conduit (piercing verdict in the other), or BV in the slot?
sudden current
sub 200 ilvl prot warrior, starting to learn m+ doing lowish keys atm. i have wall at R1, should i upg or craft reprisal? im necro
forest fern
i mean craft another r1 if you have to
sudden current
i like the dmg reduction yeah, and im afraid i might lose value on reprisal cause im still learning
forest fern
you're still getting the legendary bonus just the ilvl stats of the gear might be lower for a while
median tulip
sub 200 ilvl prot warrior, starting to learn m+ doing lowish keys atm. i have wa...
The Wall is fine, but in the long run you will probably want Reprisal
sudden current
thanks 🙂
forest fern
if you're not yet comfortable with quick movement then yeah may need to practice that first
unique shale
long run
median tulip
i like the dmg reduction yeah, and im afraid i might lose value on reprisal caus...
Honestly you're probably better off learning to use Reprisal now rather than waiting
forest fern
yeah probably
like i said the ilvl changes but not the bonus itself regardless of rank, just wear a r1 of it
blazing condor
run
sudden current
ok, ill make reprisal r1 🙂
median tulip
ok, ill make reprisal r1 🙂
To forestall your next questions: Legs, and Haste/Versa
forest fern
heh someone is used to the last week of this discord 🙂
sudden current
thx, i usually read before asking tho
unique shale
yeah i am still confuse about it. it look like people couldn't time their 20 or 22 without reprisal
median tulip
thx, i usually read before asking tho
It's a miracle!
sudden current
nah, its respect
forest fern
i mean the value of reprisal will rise the longer mobs survive, so it grows at a higher rate as the key grows
sudden current
i enjoy discord ommunity and want to benefit from it without hurting anyone's brains
median tulip
heh someone is used to the last week of this discord 🙂
The last two weeks have been pretty repetitive, really
sudden current
its the same on every class discord 😐
forest fern
well something new happened tends to create lots of repetitive discussion. I don't know whether that's a sad thing though from design of the class point of view that this one change created so much discussion
"hey guys, they bandaided a major problem, time to celebrate!"
unique shale
Reprisal is a DPS increase over The Wall if you can utilise Intervene/Charge properly.
Yes, it can be good in Raid fights that allow this kind of movement.
astral crystal
It's shit in Raids too; bosses almost always knock IP right off you so it never ...
IP isnt about how long it lasts
it's a complement for sblock
except against magic where you just spam ip :^)
median tulip
I like it. Having a mobility-baded tanking legendary works really well for us, IMO.
Now I'm just hoping that they'll buff Thunderlord soon.
forest fern
i doubt you're getting any alteration to thunderlord, i think any changes would only be to "in the toilet" legendaries because in the future we likely have "multiple legendaries" incoming and they don't want to pre create issues there
median tulip
IP isnt about how long it lasts
I was replying to a question about Brutal Vitality; the problem with BV is that it only does anything if you already have an active IP; so on Raid Bosses BV does nothing because you can't keep IP up
zenith monolith
guys, quick question on Sludge Mythic, does it matter if Prot Warrior keeps aggro vs DH ? Damage intake or output wise. Rage gen etc ?
unique shale
no
zenith monolith
no difference at all ?
forest fern
no the fight does not work like "old" shared encounter bosses
you don't take the hit that the main tank takes
astral crystal
as long as you don't suck at repositioning boss :^)
forest fern
you take a dual hit essentially at the same time
in the past your question would have been, yes definitely prot on a physical slugger like him, but that was changed a while ago to stop that sort of tank usage on shared cleave type fights
zenith monolith
thanks 🙂
forest fern
np
it can be confusing cause bosses in the past, eg the 2nd boss in highmaul, didn't work this way and you could cut the offtanks damage taken by having higher mitigation main tank. Sludge doesn't discriminate 🙂
harsh sandal
For Kyrian, is Mik or Kleia better for prot? Using Pelo for fury.
forest fern
if you "can't" use pelo, it would be kleia i suspect
obviously pelo is better, but she works as a second option
mik i believe has stuff you don't really need outside of solo content mostly
harsh sandal
Awesome. I could, but I than I have to remember to change conduits, which I have learned I rarely do 🙂
forest fern
yer, its a chink in the system honestly, they should make it work differently
harsh sandal
agreed
forest fern
if pressing a button can change spec and talents, it should be able to save multiple versions of a soulbind
harsh sandal
But the fun of choice...or some such theory
forest fern
its probably a design issue cause you need to change the conduits at a pedestal and the game probably won't allow a mobile change unless blizzard redesigns it, which will prob happen at some point
probably when it doesn't matter anymore knowing them 🙂
median tulip
if pressing a button can change spec and talents, it should be able to save mult...
I want one button that changes spec, talents, Soulbind, conduits and gear all to a saved setup
forest fern
don't worry it will be in a blizz shop for $49.99 next year some time 😉
wet compass
I want one button that changes spec, talents, Soulbind, conduits and gear all to...
Uh you can set that up?
Your soulbind changes based on your talent spec
eager phoenix
problem with kleia and mik is they are trash so you basically end up swapping left and right at the bottom of pelo if i want 1f or 1e conduit
wet compass
just set up a different soulbind for each spec
forest fern
he means only if it is a differrent soulbind
wet compass
I know
forest fern
if you want the same it uses the same conduits and setup
median tulip
Your soulbind changes based on your talent spec
You still have to change gear and talents separately
median tulip
You do if you have 3 possible setups on a single spec
wet compass
I mean you want there not to be conduit energy which isn't a thing sadly
median tulip
Like I have 7 different saved gear sets at this point; 3 of them are Protection alone
Yeah Conduit Energy is a total horseshit mechanic that needs to die a horrible and painful death, alone in a ditch somewhere
forest fern
you would have think they learned their lession with azerite gear respecs 🙂
given all the forums grief it gave them, deserved or not
orchid frigate
dont forget that blizzard knows best how to have fun in their games
mossy peak
the one i'm looking forward to is apparently you have to blow it all setting up your conduits in your new soulbinds if you change covenants
sounds great
torpid cliff
jagged pier
yes with repirsal i do
ionic fern
Multiple uses depending on case.
1)INtervene to a ranged player to put distance between you and the enemy (kiting,avoiding mechanics like the bleed in SD)
2)Intervene when someone needs the defensive value from it
3)With Reprisal honestly on CD cause i want my rage and damage.
Etc
smoky sparrow
Treat intervene as a pseudo shieldblock
unique shale
feels wired to kite as kyrain
i had much more fun kiting with kyrain but in pugs it seems they are not ganna slow or stun anything
lucid cedar
/targetfriend
/cast Intervene
/targetlasttarget [help]
will do Intervene on closest ally and then return to your target
or you can set Vuhdo spells to just left click an ally
unique shale
/targetfriend
/cast Intervene
/targetlasttarget [help]
will do Intervene on clos...
what far away ally cause melee gtg be close to adds
tall nymph
I'm learning how to use Intervene
violet drum
guys, if I Intervene the other tank in the raid while he is tanking, and use block, will I still mitigate that damage with block?
lucid cedar
guys, if I Intervene the other tank in the raid while he is tanking, and use blo...
mitigation works with intervene yes
violet drum
mitigation works with intervene yes
thanks!
mild river
Guys, with reprisal should i run ravager? ItF? For m+.
untold raptor
Ravager
inner drift
ravager is most fun skill to press ^^
sick sentinel
how do you guys use Intervene?
I use a @mouseover macro which I usually use on a distance or the heal , using the group frames
jagged pier
u also should have benn running it before this patch
wet compass
man I don't get why they nerfed reprisal 😦
brittle patio
hey, what's the average shield wall cd with The Wall ?
jagged pier
F
sharp sun
Night Fae is fun for M+ 😄
subtle island
sand condor
im kinda done with condemn xD
lost pebble
Really enjoying playing Necro with reprisal... Fresh and zesty
Warrior off the bench
sick sentinel
man I don't get why they nerfed reprisal 😦
6 to 4 sec is not a huge deal.
outer bronze
oh did it get hotfixed?
sweet summit
Ye :/
outer bronze
F
sweet summit
Its fine reprisal still owns 
sharp sun
🤣 my warry and rogue are keeping me busy enough for now
I want a healer / caster, but just cba
silk crane
is viscera or gluttonous any good for tanking M+?
fierce phoenix
@sweet summit did I see you say Shield block has a max time of 18 sec?
As in you can push SB twice in quick succession and get 12 sec vs just refreshing the 6
wanton panther
Hey guys I gave Necrolord a shot. Banner is very good dps increase, in aoe packs along with our 10% buff this patch the dmg is goooood. Also the bubble is very handy, I tested it in hc sire last night. You can use it while the other tank has the boss and you are ready to absorb 30K dmg. The conduits are nice, especially the one that bubbles you for 15% of your hp when you drop below 50%. Overall my survivability has been increased which was an issue in mythic raiding (even that my gear is pretty maxed out)
I miss spear for m+ but we cannot have it all
unique shale
necro and kyrain both good for raid so
sweet surge
Wish I could switch to NF myself for Mplus. Their soulbinds are bonkers
grave sail
Thx for the info. I'm gearing a necro war atm as I'm getting bored of brewmaster
solemn magnet
So far my issue with banner is I can't tell how beneficial it is. I just have to assume my boomie is getting good use out of it, even when on comms compared to being able to look at a log and see how much spear or AA is doing.
strong forum
Reprisal worth to make R1 ?
Already worth at r1
strong forum
So far my issue with banner is I can't tell how beneficial it is. I just have to...
And you never will :)
solemn magnet
Yeah :(
odd verge
Hey guys I gave Necrolord a shot. Banner is very good dps increase, in aoe packs...
Spear is just that good and phial is so beneficial for us when we need to clear stacks. That itself is making hard to swap to Necro when we can't see clear benefits
raven kernel
is prot or bear the better facetank spec right now?
dark plover
How good are we now boys
strong forum
Probably bear still slightly stronger, but war got a shitton better at facetanking forever
Like, outside of very specific mechanics I don't see pwar kiting anymore
raven kernel
would war's advantage be in burst dmg (and more importantly, burst threat?) with AM Avatars and unstoppable force?
dark plover
Do we use reprisal in raids?
strong forum
would war's advantage be in burst dmg (and more importantly, burst threat?) with...
No, we have better constant dmg than burst
UF isn't really a good talent
Ravager + revenge spam grants more dmg in aoe
raven kernel
even with AM avatars?
strong forum
Yes
raven kernel
ah ok
strong forum
It's competetive, but ravager is still better
raven kernel
war should be better dmg than bears by alot now right?
strong forum
Do we use reprisal in raids?
You can play reprisal on every boss but sludge
raven kernel
yeah my context is m+
strong forum
In raiding bear dmg is still alot higher
odd verge
what's the DPS we should be expecting around the 210iLvl range?
amber herald
bear can do decent damage but they have to shift out of bear form to do it so it's hard to do in m+
we have way more consistent dps now
odd verge
i gotta improve.
amber herald
press revenge more 
raven kernel
is ravager like unlimited rage in a big pack? or just 10 rage per 'tick' ?
strong forum
10 rage
solemn magnet
3.5k seems optimistic. I'm pulling pink parses in some m+ doing sub 3k
odd verge
i hit IP too much to help the healers because trust issues in PUG.
unique shale
i hit IP too much to help the healers because trust issues in PUG.
lol
strong forum
Now in current patch with reprisal + am you should defo be able to hit 3.5k average with 210
unique shale
pug something goes wrong tank is there to the take blame
shut summit
details / logs also have diff #s for DPS at end of run
logs counts downtime or something iirc?
strong forum
Yeah smth like that
raven kernel
ya you're always lower on logs
strong forum
And even then its wonky
raven kernel
when people quote a number it usually refers to details dps
strong forum
Cuz I had 4.4k dps in mists last week, was only 3.8k on logs and 4.25k on "dps while active"
light epoch
What's the consensus on best Covenant for m+ right now. New to prot
solemn magnet
Nf or kyrian
raven kernel
do you think korayn's hold the line has any value
strong forum
Venthyr for good raid dmg
Kyrian for good m+dmg and decent raid dmg
NF for big m+ and good raid dmg
Necro for buffing your dps players
odd verge
pug something goes wrong tank is there to the take blame
I just got from a hunter today. "Stop moving around. and out of my Wild spirits"
"Bro. Storming."
unique shale
NF is mainly for m+ useless in raid
tame mountain
Hey all, has anyone tried Ravenous Pendant on Hemier's soulbind? It seems like it would be good (in theory) for M+. Also new to tanking, I checked the pins and didn't see anything that really mentioned it
strong forum
NF is still big pump in raid wdym
tame mountain
*Heirmir's
unique shale
idk
woeful trellis
Nomeratur pls show me a 5.5 k dps run, im at 4.3k cant Imagine 1.2 More
haughty sleet
Burrs useless in raid huh
surreal sinew
one more renown and i'll give it a shot
unique shale
I just got from a hunter today. "Stop moving around. and out of my Wild spirits"...
storming hurt a lot
surreal sinew
the crit or the regen at the end look intresting but not sure it'll be better than emeni
solemn magnet
do you think korayn's hold the line has any value
I'd rather have First Strike for the dmg. I'd never be able to stand still for 5sec I don't think.
strong forum
Nomeratur pls show me a 5.5 k dps run, im at 4.3k cant Imagine 1.2 More
I mean @jagged pier literally posted a screenshot of a badly played dungeon where he pulled 5.2k dps or smth
Yesterday
And thats on tyra week, I specifically mentioned fort week
raven kernel
I'd rather have First Strike for the dmg. I'd never be able to stand still for 5...
yeah i kinda cant decide.. i think face your foes is decent too
strong forum
I've done only 1 key so far where we chain wiped to 3rd boss 4 times and I still had 4.6k dps overall
woeful trellis
Mhh k Then im bad af or its dos with the pulls
strong forum
I pulled 4.1k dps in DoS last week already
gritty oak
@strong forum With what covenent and legendary?
strong forum
Reprisal + kyrian
woeful trellis
Ur eu nome?
solemn magnet
I'll pay more attention to details over logs for dps then and see how I do. I know yesterday I was up in the 4ks
strong forum
Yuh
woeful trellis
Link ur rio please i will have some questions After work 😇
tame mountain
@surreal sinew thanks man, and yeah Emeni's haste is pretty sweet 🙂
strong forum
I don't push keys, my name is literally just Nomeratur everywhere
woeful trellis
Okay
queen flare
is the covenant situation something where necro is really only the play if you can maximize banner usage and pretty much a bad call if you cant?
strong forum
Yes
graceful cobalt
we take BSC+Ravager+AM and Repisal? Soulbind i choose Mikanikos Conduits Piercing Verdikt Inspiring Present Stuard Unerving Focus or shuld i take Palegros with Piercing Verdikt Stuard Gardian Show of Force and Unerving Focus?
raven kernel
for nf isit niya for raid and korayn for keys? @strong forum
strong forum
Can use niya for m+ aswell, I'm not certain if korayn is really all that that amazing
The uptime on the mastery + burrs is still pumper in m+ from niya
Korayn is big pump when you can open with AA tho
jagged pier
I mean <@179993058186625025> literally posted a screenshot of a badly played dun...
this one? my first one with reprisal where i could have done a lot more i missed AM and charges/intervenes
strong forum
Yeah
sweet surge
I mean, 10% on every opener is quite big for Korayn
strong forum
With a bit practice you can easily get 6k overalls
raven kernel
10% and first strike 👀
sweet surge
5.3k? Is that with BSC and a low key?
sweet surge
mkay
jagged pier
i willhave a video of it at somepoint
graceful cobalt
BSC and Ravanger or BSC und ITF?
sweet surge
but on higher fortified thats not possible unfortunately
sweet surge
a lot changes
he's feeding a lot of rage into ravager for that overall
into revenge* sorry
eager phoenix
yeah?
eager phoenix
woeful trellis
That Would be nice jakey, Ur yt acc is?
jagged pier
jakeyplops
sweet surge
I am not saying you shouldn't spend rage on Revenge 😄
I am just saying that at higher key levels you don't get to do as much of it
lofty widget
thats not true
jagged pier
I am just saying that at higher key levels you don't get to do as much of it
if anything i spend more revenge on it as the mobs are up longer
sweet surge
@jagged pier do you know what your HPS was in that run?
eager phoenix
prot warr isnt made of paper. you can tank and pump. youre also not doing it in vacuum. you got 3 dps and a healer doing their part to kill shit.
jagged pier
low i dont really press ignore pain
sweet surge
yep 🙂
graceful cobalt
With most PVP (Haste/Versa) gear 222 wich dps i should do on M+
faint plaza
prob fury
odd verge
low i dont really press ignore pain
i think that's where i gotta improve. i IP too much to smoothen out for healers.
sweet surge
Idk how its not true but ok
odd verge
Dead mobs = no healing needed.
surreal sinew
@tame mountain i'm out of conduit energy with the swap turns out so 'ill have to wait a few days looks like. Awesome system 🤨
sweet surge
sure, sure 🙂
strong forum
My hps in my NW18 was 2.1k
jagged pier
i think that's where i gotta improve. i IP too much to smoothen out for healers.
okay so its know your dungeon, that was mists which after the first 2 pulls is like 100% physical damage so once u have SB up u can just pump
eager phoenix
force yoruself not to "panic" click IP and as long as its not giga spell dmg and SB is up your not taking that much dmg.
strong forum
With 4 wipes
jagged pier
like i did a lot less in DoS yesterday but the group was bad and we over bolstered stuff so i had to kite for ages
amber herald
IP will be depleted after a single melee swing on a high fort key so it's a lot of wasted rage if you're pressing IP too much
sweet surge
How much of that was Nose for Trouble and Anima Exhaust @strong forum ?
odd verge
okay so its know your dungeon, that was mists which after the first 2 pulls is l...
yeah. And like DoS we need more IP to mitigate the magicals coming through?
amber herald
better to kite until you have a SB charge and then press revenge more
faint plaza
is the legendary for M+ Reprisal or Thunderlord?
jagged pier
yeah. And like DoS we need more IP to mitigate the magicals coming through?
that or kite or cd
strong forum
How much of that was Nose for Trouble and Anima Exhaust <@!192743144276623360> ?
:)
orchid frigate
with some leading tank streamers starting to gear up their warriors im curious about the meta they predict. pwar, boomie, mage and havoc?
and hpala mabye?
strong forum
Don't try to predict meta
orchid frigate
just fun to speculate a bit 🙂
sweet surge
they predict nothing really, because they dont need to
remote tusk
henlo
sweet surge
they just switch
odd verge
that or kite or cd
thank you.
sweet surge
VDH got a significant buff w/ their conduit change to Fel Dev
orchid frigate
fem, rads and lepan all going necro warriors already. more prep instead of switch i guess then
open monolith
WHO IS THE PIECE OF SHIT WHO PUBLISHED A WOWHEAD ARTICLE ABOUT REPRISAL BEING 6 SECONDS
Jesus christ. That's like, "TEACHER TEACHER! YOU SAID WE'D HAVE A QUIZ TODAY!"
sweet surge
It's a Tyrannical week, Valor is now in teh game, it makes sense to use the time to prepare other tanks for the inevitable meta switch
Don't forget these are people that literally have WoW as their job
orchid frigate
mhm
strong forum
WHO IS THE PIECE OF SHIT WHO PUBLISHED A WOWHEAD ARTICLE ABOUT REPRISAL BEING 6 ...
I already yelled at llarold, but he had to :(
sweet surge
Besides, Chaos Brand is just nuts so unless Havoc sees more buffs
open monolith
wowhead is the kotaku of wow.
sweet surge
VDH will remain stronk
eager phoenix
sleep on any tank is a mistake for sure. naowh is working on his bdk and nerf was lvling his warr but both have also said vdh looking stable af moving on so. who knows 
orchid frigate
why do i hear rumblings about necro havoc?
strong forum
Everyone has a choice.
He's just an employee ykno
eager phoenix
nerf also mentioned necro warr depends completely if the banner for the team makes up for not having as big pump individual as nf for example.
strong forum
Yeah all tanks are good
eager phoenix
agreed
sweet surge
its just our viewer experience is biased AF
orchid frigate
thats awesome
sweet surge
since we tend to consume Twitch content from the very top players
and top players will top player
ie metaslaving
orchid frigate
cant blame em
strong forum
👏
sweet surge
for example, plenty of people are under the assumption that pwarr does dog damage
and has issues with threat
which wasnt true even before 9.0.5
we have (had?) issues with snap threat
overall damage was decent
orchid frigate
they should stop selling that on the titanforged podcast
strong forum
Its cuz people not invested into pwar said that in early beta
sterile moss
vdh also still has the best kit for mdi, so people will base their perception off that
strong forum
So they didn't bother trying to play well
sweet surge
people will people
strong forum
And that carried all the way until 9.0.5 cuz nobody showed them the opposite
So can't really blame em
orchid frigate
at least naowh has always said they were good
sweet surge
you can easily time 23 24 keys w/ pwar right now
well, not easily
but its not like you cant do it
strong forum
Yuh
eager phoenix
just look at rio ladder. ppl are being succesful. nobody is gated or hit any ceiling by their choice in tank. just need to play the game and chat less
eager phoenix
hehe
jagged pier
Shit, I *am* chatting too much
back to work :bonk cat:
sweet surge
Well, I guess what we're discussing is the effect of preconceptions by others that you need to in order to run keys, aused by random content creators
and the effect Twitch has on people's opinion on whats good or not
eager phoenix
i ran 12 DOS for scale as fury cus was a VDH hosting the key. didnt use his sigils. like, rerolling fotm is great and all but you still need to master what you play
stable geyser
So Reprisal only for m+?
open monolith
I constantly shit on people with a sub 200-ilvl Survival Hunter in keys, including FOTM classes who are higher ilvl, because I actually understand how to play my spec.
faint plaza
haste - verse on leggo ya?
sweet surge
big shocker, mastery of a class is beneficial 😄
eager phoenix
haste vers cant go wrong
sweet surge
haste versa ya
jagged pier
So Reprisal only for m+?
no u can use it on everyhting but sludge, but im trying to get a way to use it there
when u convince your co tank to macro cancel intervene aura onto all of his abilities
woeful trellis
Okay i Go vulpera
open monolith
welcome to the yiff pile.
open monolith
Acting like vulpera's racial in m+ isn't amazing LOLE
sweet surge
its not amazing, no
open monolith
holding your ground LOLE
orchid frigate
im orc, best racial for m+ 🙂
blissful pebble
Curse of Weakness – Increases the time between an enemy's attacks by 20% for 2 minutes - Been looking at quite a lot of logs today for various Mythic guilds and usage of this on bosses in Nathria seems very inconsistent despite all comps having a lock. Bosses hitting me less sounds like a great thing yet this returning for shadowlands doesn't seem to have gotten much fanfare. Where are your guilds on this?
solemn magnet
Vulpera racial is amazing and camp is a life changer
jagged pier
that would be vulpera @orchid frigate they are actually busted
open monolith
how dare you expect your warlock to use a GCD on something that does no damage, joy.
you disgust me
sweet surge
I was Orc and went Vulpera
woeful trellis
Im zadalari atm
sweet surge
it's overhyped
orchid frigate
hehe
solemn magnet
Yeah
blissful pebble
One global every 2 mins is a lot to ask I know.
open monolith
i honestly didn't even know that those curses work on bosses
obtuse prism
Curse of Weakness – Increases the time between an enemy's attacks by 20% for 2 m...
idk how much my opionion counts as only heroic raiding but my lock doesnt use it because "managing dots is a pain enough". he does use the tongues on frieda cuz rl got mad at him tho
barren summit
is there a way to play vulpera but having your optics permanently changed to any other horde race while playing vulpera? that way i could imagine playing vulpera.
sweet surge
there is
solemn magnet
Transmorpher 24/7
blissful pebble
Tank Notes references the impact it has on swing timer: https://www.tanknotes.com/castle-nathria/sludgefist Sludge for example: Swing Timer: 1.5s (Curse of Weakness 1.8s) where it is especially impactful.
orchid frigate
changed to vulpera on my DK once it was possible. regret that 😦
charred hinge
Good morning guys anyone tried Reprisal for M+. How good it is ?
open monolith
well I'd say: if your tanks are having trouble surviving, absolutely you should be using it
if not? whatever, just let your locks pump
mild ruin
Hi all, recently dinged on warrior currently doing low keys to get a bit of valor, reckon its better to throw everything in to an early 220 shield or wait till i am doing higher keys to get more effeicnet upgrades?
unique shale
if i lose all of aggro during charge is this my fault ?
jagged pier
Good morning guys anyone tried Reprisal for M+. How good it is ?
its great
solemn magnet
Good morning guys anyone tried Reprisal for M+. How good it is ?
Honestly, I love the uptime but high Key hate the playstyle.
sweet surge
if not? whatever, just let your locks pump
yes, a once a 2min global is a huge pump gain
open monolith
@unique shale i am 100% confident that you already know the answer to that question.
brittle owl
Tank Notes references the impact it has on swing timer: https://www.tanknotes.co...
slower swing timer isnt particularily impactful in raids. maybe for a bdk, but for other tanks, not so much
you wont even feel it's there
nor will your healers
unique shale
<@!493219369648783371> i am 100% confident that you already know the answer to t...
i not confident
brittle owl
it saves roughly 3 HoT ticks per minute
its such a minuscule gain, people don't really focus on it
if it was
you'd see more DH's, veng or havoc, go venthyr for the brand
unique shale
why
brittle owl
reality of the situation is slower swing timer is not impactful
except on a bdk for shit like orogozoa type bosses
blissful pebble
Sludgefist hitting me and giant fisting the Offtank less seems like a big thing to me? Can you define why it would be negligible?
brittle owl
define less
brittle owl
in a 1.6 second long encounter you take 50% less damage with weakness up
the longer the encounter is
the less the gain is
prisma bear
wtf am i reading
ripe shale
I don't think that's how maths works
charred hinge
Ty @solemn magnet @jagged pier
prisma bear
how low is your progress
open monolith
yeah ignore that drivel
Yes, weakness is impactful. in a 4 minute fight of a boss with a 1.5 second swing timer (with no casts, so these numbers aren't real) you'd get hit 160 times.
with weakness, it would be ~133
On a boss that chunks hard, that is significant
jagged pier
☝️
unique shale
...really?
still don't know the answer
jagged pier
its less swings during enrage
open monolith
whether or not you NEED it up the whole fight totally depends on your tank's survivability and your healers throughput
It will be different depending on your group.
jagged pier
ill take it even if its 1 less tbh
open monolith
Use it if you need it, don't if you don't.
ripe shale
It's free 16% damage reduction
open monolith
and yeah, actting like enraged sludgefist autos don't matter KEKW
unique shale
if i lose all of aggro during charge is this my fault ?
open monolith
Yes Angel
jagged pier
yes because u can ravager before u charge
prisma bear
no matter what you keep weakness up if you arent worthless, period. you gain way more damage from healers and tank reduced dmg taken than 1 players 1 global every minute
unique shale
yes because u can ravager before u charge
still don;t work
unique shale
i even spear and ravager and yet i lose aggro
sweet surge
means you're not pressing damage buttons after that spear/ravager
its not possible you're losing aggro on charge w/ both rav and spear
uneven mason
its not possible you're losing aggro on charge w/ both rav and spear
Yes it is
a Boom or Fire on full boar is REALLY hard to hold aggro vs
sweet surge
with spear/rav you can keep aggro even i they insta pop
unique shale
i mean i have not even get to the mobs and they start running away
uneven mason
a boomie has very little aoe BURST, that's a poor example
was thinking ST
uneven mason
ST while trying to hold on to a pack yes
sweet surge
3 of them if need be
open monolith
Threat should literally be a non-issue with reprisal now
You charge, Revenge, Clap
done.
You have threat, congratulations
unique shale
i don't have ST on each pack
open monolith
Angel there is no way to diagnose your issue with so little information
Threat is a play issue either for the DPS pulling before you are in combat, or you not playing properly
sweet surge
if people are insta combusting before you've even gathered the pack, then no, thats actually not your fault
open monolith
we don't know which it is.
astral crystal
Sludgefist hitting me and giant fisting the Offtank less seems like a big thing ...
just make a monk MT it
ez
unique shale
i say before i get the adds i lose aggro
i can't press dps if all of them spared around
astral crystal
idk wtf everyone's talking about but that's my hot take
open monolith
Again: Threat is a play issue either for the DPS pulling before you are in combat, or you not playing properly
blissful pebble
In a 90 second window you would be hit 50 times with weakness up vs 60 times with no weakness (1.5s base swing). That is more dps time or spot healing elsewhere time for healers and also means ignore pain can do more work.
open monolith
cute.
sweet summit
strong forum
jagged pier
open monolith
100% of people who voted for wandering ancient over the caterpillar should be stripped of basic human rights.
fringe needle
and why is mine not green and instead white
open monolith
it changes with the seasons
dark plover
so is reprisal best leggo?
fringe needle
ooooh
dark plover
for raiding too?
open monolith
sweet summit
dark plover
pins the check
sweet surge
the pins check
fringe needle
the czeque pins
dark plover
thats how ya'll look like
when someone like me comes in here and asks a question
ripe shale
Read the pins before asking 🙃
dark plover
i dream about the pins
open monolith
How y'all look
or
What y'all look like
but never
how y'all look like
one of those quirky english grammar things.
open monolith
well only degens from the south say y'all anyway
i was just using his sentence as the example
dark plover
are u degen from the north
open monolith
That's a weird way to spell "cultured individual"
sweet summit
I am north
strong forum
100% of people who voted for wandering ancient over the caterpillar should be st...
Guess im a Rat then
open monolith
I'm not attracted to my cousin, and I don't call every single flavor of soda "coke", so yes, I am from the "north"
sweet summit
sweet surge
yikes
strong forum
Norf
sweet surge
gotta love sweeping generalizations ❤️
solemn magnet
well only degens from the south say y'all anyway
Rude
open monolith
Those are the best kind of generalizations
dark plover
did a southern guy steal your bike
solemn magnet
In the south, every soda is a coke, fyi
open monolith
"I'd like a coke"
"what kind of coke? we have Sprite, Mr. Pibb...."
"......a coke..."
^ maddening
also sweet tea is gross
fight me
strong forum
We just say Cola 
solemn magnet
Oh no, sweet tea is ass
strong forum
Cuz coke doesn't apply to anything
open monolith
dammit. it's not fun if you agree with me
sweet surge
coke in my country means cocaine too
strong forum
Or well, coca cola
dark plover
why do southern people put beercans in their chickens
strong forum
Yes but why
sweet surge
not here
open monolith
Or "any fucking soda" in the south
sweet surge
is my point
solemn magnet
For flavor and moisture
open monolith
It still has the flavor of the Coca leaf
sweet surge
ah, the good ol days
open monolith
the cocaine itself is removed from the leaf and given to a medical hospital that uses it
strong forum
ionic fern
"The Coca-Cola Company has on occasion introduced other cola drinks under the Coke name."
fringe needle
https://youtu.be/s4bC7VkRCws
we've been pronouncing it wrong all this time
strong forum
coke
warped cave
yep, I shall personally fix my ways and educate, advance to the appropriate level of pronounciation
open monolith
🍆 coke
sweet summit
COKE
open monolith
anyone wanna give me their coke? I could go for a big, round coke right now
dark plover
i fucked a coke last night
strong forum
sweet summit
Coke machine broke
astral crystal
open monolith
anyone else entering "feel like unsubbing" territory?
uneven mason
"I'd like a coke"
"what kind of coke? we have Sprite, Mr. Pibb...."
"......a cok...
You mean pop?
astral crystal
only because SLG makes me feel that way
astral crystal
we're so close to killing this shit boss
glacial skiff
uneven mason
Midwest 🤘
ionic fern
They just made it what it was supposed to be.
ionic fern
They would have done it eventually anyways.
candid path
No, sock's right. They never would have realized if it weren't for me.
open monolith
100% your fault
balmy summit
So hows the damage buff and reprisal change playing out? You guys closer to DH, Bear and Pally now?
candid path
Damn, sure would suck if it's still by far the best.
open monolith
shame that this 2 second nerf now makes it unusable
if only you hadn't contributed to the website you work for
fucking diot
candid path
damn
strong forum
amber herald
who cares as long as we get AM
candid path
basic napkin math puts it around 1.8 Rage/sec even allowing for minor mistakes, which is way ahead of The Wall at ~1.1 Rage/sec
red swallow
Relax with the M word
candid path
even without considering that it's still going to add upwards of 30% SB uptime post-nerf
open monolith
I wonder if there are any good reddit threads for wowhead to publish
candid path
I think the goal is to publish bad ones
open monolith
they achieve that goal on the regular
supple glacier
My god quantum device is soo good on tanking arriving like 30% vers when I press it
strong forum
Is it
solemn magnet
No
strong forum
Ya idk why getting 7% DR or however much it is gonna make you feel any different
candid path
not even the best trinket from that dungeon
supple glacier
Or just give me haste when I’m unlucky and is great to
candid path
3-minute cd trinket better delete the boss or I'm going to be annoyed
sweet summit
MOOD
open monolith
IQD sucks to use almost as bad as Sheet Music
hahahahahahaa jk fuck sheet music
fuck it so fucking hard.
supple glacier
Is good trust me
strong forum
3-minute cd trinket better delete the boss or I'm going to be annoyed
This
prisma bear
does the versatility defensive component diminish when you also block?
sharp sun
PF10... I'm doing this right.. right xD?
strong forum
Getting there
open monolith
You aren't doing it right so much as your 2 warlocks are doing it VERY wrong
not even 3k dps
sharp sun
Hehehe
sweet surge
monkafuckingS dude
open monolith
how do you have 2 dps in a 10 doing 2.3k dps?!
sharp sun
No clue 😄
strong forum
does the versatility defensive component diminish when you also block?
Well ofc, all Damage reduction have diminishing returns
sharp sun
Pug key life
solemn magnet
Thats surprisingly normal
pine marsh
Some major first week SL dps pumpers
sharp sun
The monk was very overgeared
open monolith
I do 4.6-4.9k overall as a 198 survival hunter. what the actual fuck?
tired hawk
Guys, is UF really underperforming compared to ravager ? I'm player Reprisal in mm+
prisma bear
damn ty @strong forum
strong forum
It's competetive, but ravager is still better spouihk
sweet surge
rav better
solemn magnet
Rav is a feelsgood
strong forum
I do 4.6-4.9k **overall** as a 198 survival hunter. what the actual fuck?
Surv hunter has uncapped aoe
ionic fern
Clunky? 👀
Shoot and forget.
sweet surge
Hate that it takes a year to start doing damgur
supple glacier
Ravager is free rage on 45 sec cd
sharp sun
I really want a surv hunter, can you actually get into keys as it xD
open monolith
this is from when I was 195! casual proof I'm not a liar.
solemn magnet
It's not really for the dmg
strong forum
Ravager takes 1 global to do dmg, perfect to throw it before you charge
fringe needle
survival is pretty strong
strong forum
Done
tired hawk
I did 3.6k overall in my SD with UF and AM, feels good
open monolith
survival is giga-strong in m+
tired hawk
SD16
amber herald
I really want a surv hunter, can you actually get into keys as it xD
yes pretend to be MM until the key starts
fringe needle
also not being a retard rly helps outdps'ing retards, which is most of puggers you meet xD
open monolith
yes that is what I do
sharp sun
Ok so like feral dudu then 😄
amber herald
yeah survival has insane aoe
pine marsh
Would take a feral over survival hunt
open monolith
don't get me wrong, Survival is absolute dog shit for the raid. but for m+ it is bonkers
solemn magnet
You using wildfire clusters or tar trap BS?
open monolith
wildfire clusters
solemn magnet
My man
supple glacier
We will be the n1 tank next season??
fringe needle
i had a survival hunter outdps me by a good 1k dps overall in sandguine, ive never had a hunter outdps me by more than even 500 before
open monolith
Survival isn't a bad spec (for m+), it suffers even worse from community perception than prot war
literally the end of every dungeon is met with, "what the fuck you were survival? since when does SV do damage"
solemn magnet
It's pretty dang fun, too
open monolith
and yes, I lie to people about being survival. I ask for a pull timer, have a ranged weapon equipped, and swap to the melee weapon when the pull timer is at 5 seconds
then summon my pet after the dungeon starts
sweet surge
craziness
open monolith
it's super fun.
hearty quartz
Wich armor should I puta reprisal on?
solemn magnet
Legs unless you mythic slg
sweet surge
its like my guild I dont raid with, top1000 or whatever, since SL, everyone was basically required to fotm
pine marsh
Top1000 and req fotm
hearty quartz
Legs unless you mythic slg
And in mythic slg?
fringe needle
the fotm craze only gets worse xD
blissful pebble
As long as you can MD, Tranq and Bloodlust and it isn't quaking you are ok in my book 😛
pine marsh
Guys high or smth
sweet surge
just dumb
open monolith
yeah my guild leader literally told me he wouldn't take me on any alt runs or key runs at all on my Survival hunter. I challenged him to a DPS off on a fortified week m+ dungeon: his Marksman vs my Survival. If he beat me in overall, I'd supply feasts and cauldrons for the rest of the tier. If I won, he'd shut the fuck up and let me play whatever alt I want.
I beat him 15 ilvls lower.
red swallow
When would you use fleshcraft? After pulls or as a mid-pull mitigastion?
Or both depending on the situation i guess?
runic flower
Double time or storm bolt with reprisal?
open monolith
stormbolt if you need an extra interrupt. double time if you don't.
sweet surge
so the answer is: depends
open monolith
depends on what dungeon you're in, how many interrupts your group comp has
how good your group is at coordinating and using said interrupts
IN GENERAL, safe play is go storm bolt.
blissful pebble
Stormbolt should be warrior baseline 😦
runic flower
Thanks guys
sweet surge
all I'll say is I've ran wit hteh same people since sl start, around 20 key levels
stormbolt has felt mostly useless
but ocasionally life saving cuz mistakes happen
open monolith
stormbolt helps with Bucking rampage 😄
sweet surge
well we're fairly coordinated so that isnt a problem
strong forum
For me stormbolt is too good to pass up
sweet surge
but mistakes do happen
open monolith
plus stormbolt can be used for an incredibly minor dps gain on boss fights when you have no SS resets and everything is on CD 😄
sweet surge
so sbolt is literally just an extra kick
sweet surge
yep its good
sick sentinel
Just be a paladin and get one base line 😎
sweet surge
yikes
sick sentinel
Big yikers
open monolith
I mean, my main is a holy paladin these days. HOJ does feel real good
sweet surge
6second stuns tend to feel satisfying
blissful pebble
Spell reflecting it feels really good 😛
strong forum
Tru
sweet surge
free bis gear tho
open monolith
I'd rather be low ilvl with bad RNG gear systems than subject myself to pvp
open monolith
incorrect
pvp is the worst
this is based off of years of research
ha. melee meme.
sweet surge
an excuse for being dog in pvp 😦
strong forum
Based off of my very educated opinion and facts, pvp > pve in every game
open monolith
Probably. Whether or not I am good is irrelevant.
I don't like who I become when I lose.
strong forum
I don't like who I become in torghast
open monolith
I gave up competitive PvP in pretty much any game years ago.
sweet surge
lose less then
open monolith
Not good for my health.
sweet surge
problem solved
strong forum
Torghast makes me smash my desk so much
upper parcel
Hey guys, what covenant should i choose for prot warr (m+ only) - arms pvp dualspec?
sick sentinel
What would you guys recommend for m+ anger management or bolster, I like bolster because last stand is up more often and I can dump in more ips while it’s up
sweet summit
Kyrian
open monolith
arms pvp and prot? Go Kyrian
strong forum
Hey guys, what covenant should i choose for prot warr (m+ only) - arms pvp duals...
Kyrian
blazing condor
Is there any consistency in when the 1st boss in HoA does his beam? sometimes its 3 crumbling slams > beam and sometimes 2
sweet surge
@upper parcel kyrian
sick sentinel
Ty
upper parcel
venthyr is not good enough for prot hm?
sweet surge
if you want to both PvP and prot in Mplus, its Kyrian
upper parcel
with pelagos i assume
upper parcel
wait.. necro pvp is a thing ?
open monolith
I don't think I like the way you are using "dog" in your sentences
sweet surge
its sleeper good yes
open monolith
implying that dogs are anything other than the greatest things in the world
jagged pier
pelagos only, yes
kelia actually does more damage btw
blissful pebble
You can use Mekanikos vs rogues
sweet surge
@open monolith criticism accepted
thanks 4 feedback
have 4 dogs
they deserve better
sweet summit
Show dogs
sweet surge
that was the implication, but I can see how that's confusing
open monolith
Best girl.
sweet summit
open monolith
my best friend had one of those growing up. that thing was a hyper ball of wirey energy. He would wag his tail so hard into the walls it would break the skin and he would fling blood from his tail everywhere.
Pharaho hound, that is
sweet surge
they are nuts
3.5 meter high netting on the yard
the btich still escapes when she decides
sick sentinel
I'm having some threat issues when running with DH dps. At the start of a pull despite hitting a revenge on charge, the DH will eyebeam and take threat from most of the pack...which depending on the pack gets him killed. What can I do to stop this when challenging shout is off cd? Opening is charge>revenge>demo shout.
sweet surge
which would be fine by me if tehre werent cars nearby
@sick sentinel Open with Rav/Spear and alternate them
you can also intervene him to save him
or he can wait an extra global
open monolith
THIS ANIMAL IS PERFECTION INCARNATE.
Okay I'm done now. Thank you for coming to my DOG talk.
placid oar
cute dog u have there Sock