protection

[compact palm]

Just can't use mobility and it feels clunky in prot

[mild ruin]

Decided to go for prot leggo, yall helped

[compact palm]

Not to mention. Its only hitting with a 1h

[ancient pasture]

how is venthyr to play in keys? awful or just meh?

[compact palm]

Its not terrible

But you sent doing yourself and favors picking it over the others for keys

[floral pewter]

I mean, I can crack 10k myself on aoe pulls, so yes it should

Ravager/Avatar is up almost every pull

[lucid cedar]

I tried weapon swapping to 2h from 1h and the damage was the same, I think it scales with AP not weapon damage

[limpid anchor]

Kyrian spear really helps with aggro / kite / rage. While venth offers you ... nothing.
I played it a bit and it felt bad

[compact palm]

Weird

But noted

[merry ocean]

Spell do not scale with weapon damage afaik

[compact palm]

Macroing weapon swaps back in

Let's go

[unique shale]

what

[compact palm]

Nf

Does all of that too

[ancient pasture]

NF is probably the right move. But i'm not sure i can be a tree

[limpid anchor]

Ye but I haven’t tried nf yet. That’s why I just say kyrian :D

[ancient pasture]

swapping to fury in raid, so thinking about a move

[merry ocean]

Go kyrian and laugh at us when necrotic week comes

[unique shale]

venthyr offer nothing

[limpid anchor]

And the 25% potion is great :X

[compact palm]

Kyrians have pot
For necro weeks

That's basically worth on its own

[unique shale]

haste and door is nothing i guess

[limpid anchor]

Do you disagree?

I mean, I never felt the need to cast door

especially BBC’s you can’t block during it

[unique shale]

yes since first prot war is venthyr just swap to necro for fun

[quick pecan]

I'm learning to use and abuse Fleshcraft but honestly its a crutch for the healers and not needed

[unique shale]

cause you never did high keys to see how kiting is valuable

[limpid anchor]

That’s true. But a root helps as well

[mighty valley]

you jump away and door back over the pack when they're about to reach you, it's swag

[compact palm]

Can u block durring that cast

[limpid anchor]

No

[compact palm]

Ah

[mighty valley]

no, hence the part where you leave first

[unique shale]

you cannot root all of adds

[spiral perch]

Kyrian with pelagos?

[compact palm]

https://tenor.com/view/shiba-dog-shiba-inu-gif-20640957

[unique shale]

and those adds do more damage and need kiting

[compact palm]

Whoops

[limpid anchor]

True, still felt awe full to use tho

[mighty valley]

if you want to make keys the easiest possible for you, you wouldn't pick venthyr, but high keys are v possible, it's great for dps specs, and you'll be cool and hot. join us

[unique shale]

cause you like facetank anything

[limpid anchor]

Huh? No not really. But charge / intervene / leap is usually enough.

What’s the cd on door?

[mighty valley]

60s

[crimson furnace]

guys, at what rage numbers are u guys dumping in it into revenge??

40? 50?

[mighty valley]

any so long as you'll have enough whenever you next need to SB

[unique shale]

SB up and spam revenge

[mighty valley]

you get a feel for it

[crimson furnace]

hmmm, ok

and we are BSC now instead of boony?

[mighty valley]

with reprisal and focused on dps, yeah

[merry ocean]

and seismic 👀

[unique shale]

if you have above 20% haste take BSC otherwise stick to boony just rage wise

[crimson furnace]

aaaaaaaaaaaaa

ok

im 205ivll, started yesterday

almost at 3k valor

😄

getting back intothe feel of the prot way again

haste is 13%

mastery 40 and versa 10

[clear pawn]

@floral pewter ty for the help when i soloed it the legendary recipe dropped it didnt drop when i did in party weird

[crimson furnace]

any macro that u guys are using?

[north copper]

what are you guys taking on row 6? feels like into the fray might be the most versatile?

[crimson furnace]

ravager

[unique shale]

not enough

[compact palm]

ITF for raidz

Rav for everything else

[unique shale]

kyrain ?

[crimson furnace]

necro!

[mighty valley]

intervene mouseover macro so I can just use it on a melee unit frame

[crimson furnace]

POG!

[floral pewter]

Glad it worked out, super weird that it didn't drop before! It might have been related to the no-soul-ash bug from Tuesday

[sick sentinel]

got a new motherboard coming in a week, that will be an all day afair probably

[mighty valley]

i bought a motherboard and cpu in december, haven't mustered up the energy to do the swap yet

[compact palm]

My GPU is melting as we speak

[young marlin]

Can Warrior kite on Mythic Counsel?

[sick sentinel]

its easy for me i just don't like thinking about doing it

[vivid saddle]

w hat slot should i craft reprisal?

[hot nimbus]

I did legs

[vivid saddle]

stats?

[hot nimbus]

Haste vers

[vivid saddle]

thanks

[empty spindle]

So is reprisal the mythic plus leggo

[hot nimbus]

Something something read the pins

[outer solstice]

lol just wanted to spam some low lvl DoS for the night xD

first run gave me scale...

after not getting one for the whole exp....

[compact palm]

We call that a win

Since u can upgrade it now

[outer solstice]

yeah, just gonna farm some M+ for the valor

[floral pewter]

hope it's not TOO low level, upgrading from 1/12 to 12/12 costs what, 4400 valor or something?

[compact palm]

Too much

Don't upgrade unless it's like 210 +

[median tulip]

The upgrade system as a whole is basically just bad luck prevention, not a serious gearing strategy

[hot nimbus]

Aren't trinkets mainly what we should be upgrading?

[outer solstice]

it's a 194 xD

you upgrade what you need most

and scale is pretty stronk

[median tulip]

Keep running DOS

[outer solstice]

yeah I will

and I will stock valor xD

no worries

[compact palm]

Dos my fav dungeon

Lots of fun stuff to reflect

[outer solstice]

well I just turned to fury

[floral pewter]

is the KSM unlock account-wide? I haven't been able to test it yet

like, to upgrade stuff to 220

[median tulip]

Yes

[floral pewter]

sweet

[outer solstice]

yeah but you need soooooooo much valor

it's nto a good way of gearing

[median tulip]

Most of my gear on my main is 220+ anyway

[outer solstice]

yeah same

only need the boots from shriek... our neww holy pal got them 😦

[median tulip]

Eh, Shriek drops are easy to come by

[outer solstice]

hahaha... not if he only drops cloaks

[median tulip]

I think everyone in my guild has the Cowled Batwing Cloak

[outer solstice]

last week we got the thing 4 times...

[median tulip]

Wow

[outer solstice]

just sharded em all

[fallow beacon]

thoughts on anima field emitter vs decanter for m+ & raid? (both 226)

I always run alar trink, not sure which of the two to run along with it though. I feel like the decanter adds up to more damage and the anima field is a slight pain to stay in, but haste is j00cy

[timid zealot]

anima field emitter is great if you can stand still

sharknado week makes it less ideal

starts to break down at higher keys if you need to kite

[fallow beacon]

i feel like with reprisal giving you perma block standing still is a lot more viable tbh in high keys

like doing 20/21's last week with just the wall i was able to keep shit pretty stationary for my fire mage

[timid zealot]

it's definitely better than it use to be

[fallow beacon]

feel like that will be easier now

[timid zealot]

might depend on the week

sanguine/tornado/necrotic

[placid frigate]

How does prot warrior compared to some thing like blood death knight now?

Both seem to get nice changes

[compact palm]

Bloods gunna be bis with 2 legos

As of right now blood is still below it in a lot of aspects

[outer solstice]

anime is even good when you have to move often

the field has quite the short duration and high procc rate

[compact palm]

Anime good

[outer solstice]

if you want some logs for reference I used 226 anime tonight

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rGBdxynk1HLz3tZc#fight=7&type=auras&source=15

huntsman

abotu the worst case scenario

only 24 %

[stoic igloo]

so how come Im not getting the shorter shield block with reprisal

[outer solstice]

probably bugged

expect a bugfix to 4 seconds

[stoic igloo]

ya

[compact palm]

Either buffed hidden. Or bugged

[outer solstice]

we noticed it here once it went up nearly instantly xD

[compact palm]

Let's hope it's buffed

[outer solstice]

nah

it's obviously wrong ingame atm

[compact palm]

No

I refuse

[misty timber]

Do you guys do any pulls different on bolstering week? Noticed when I pull the 2 casters into shards in hoa. Shard got 60% dmg buff so thrash was scarier. (I pug so could have just been a weaker healer too)

[outer solstice]

I just don't do combopulls

I chainpull once packs are donw

too many packs have different HP

which really messes with bolstering

[compact palm]

I pull the casters at top of stairs with the 2 infront of second shard

[gritty crown]

Is there a consensus on the best gear slot for reprisal?

[timid zealot]

leggies

[outer solstice]

unless you have access to myhtic SLG

which is probably not the case for most here

[compact palm]

Even then next patch leggies prob end up better

Especially for prog

[timid zealot]

for a period maybe.

i'm assuming we'll get another level or two of ash upgrades

before people reach legs that might beat it

[gritty crown]

Thanks!

[compact palm]

Therea no garenteed one way or the other

[outer solstice]

yeah, if you don't exactly know what you're doing, go for legs

[timid zealot]

we'll end up with legs with crit mastery

[compact palm]

Might end up with boots Bei g highest ilvl form next tier

[outer solstice]

crit mastery? tf?

[timid zealot]

lol i'm saying next raid tier

[outer solstice]

I can understand haste crit

[timid zealot]

we'll get some crazy shit

[outer solstice]

oooh xD

we don't know anything, so I'll just wiat it

[compact palm]

Crit mast to proc mastery more

[unique shale]

you know castle bosses does not do magic damages ?

[compact palm]

What

Is this a question or a statement

I'm not talking literal h wouldn't take Crit mast because rage generation issues u would have

Not to mention u would gimp your DMG even morr

[wicked vault]

does the block buff have a cap time?

i heard it's max of 18 secs

[compact palm]

Yes

18is correct

Unless you have bolster

[limpid pawn]

i'ts been a while since i played war, can you charge from melee range

or do you need to have 8 yrds

[compact palm]

8

Same with heroic throw

[limpid pawn]

so in a big pull, how does the mitigation rotation normally work now

it seems clunky a bit

like you have to sacrifice a leap to charge again

[compact palm]

It is very clunky

U can also intervene a melee

Intervene has no range req

[stable coral]

Is warrior meta now ?

[sick sentinel]

LOL

[limpid pawn]

nah I think if DH falls due to more nerfs (a fiery soul nerf can make this happen i think)

then brew will be unquestionable #1

with druid as #2 maybe

im gonna go hide now im just speculating!

[potent anvil]

You can shockwave, run out and charge in. If you're NF, you can soulshape once (either sides or backwards) and charge in. If you want something fancier, talent in Menace and fear knock them away and charge any of the knocked mobs.

[compact palm]

First time I've seen a practical use for menace

Well played sir

[shrewd copper]

has anyone tested reprisal yet?

[limpid pawn]

using a leap for an extra SB charge sounds bad

b/c you will have a bad time kiting

[potent anvil]

I never mentioned leap. You can get away with shockwave and charge.

You can leap if you want, I rather save it though.

[limpid pawn]

ya i agree w/ you, shockwave sounds like a solid way

they should just give us into the fray baseline, add 1 charge of shield block to cap at 3, and call it a day

we gonna look back on reprisal and laugh

[mossy crater]

Will prot wars be able to face tank keys with their new leggo ? Really want to roll a tank but kite meta is off putting

[potent anvil]

They'll virtually have no gaps in their mitigation in m+. Whether that is enough to face tank mobs, who knows. But at least you don't have to worry about active mitigation.

[unique shale]

guys i thinking about sawping Covenant

for m+

from venthyr

[compact palm]

Preps my simp carda

[zenith barn]

has anyone made a wa for conqueror's banner yet

[unique shale]

i have too much haste that haste buff from venthyr is overkill

necro,kyrain,night fea which one ?

[mossy crater]

Whats the best way to intervene an ally if I like playing with friendly nameplates off in a key ?

[unique shale]

macro

[median tulip]

Counter-charge caster mobs works well

[compact palm]

U can mouse over there party frame @mossy crater

Their

[mossy crater]

Thx for all the help!

[proud shell]

so are we all going for reprisal now?

[unique shale]

yes but you still fine with wall

[last mason]

how do you get over 226 bag ilvl without 233 gear

im full 226 with 235 shoulders

and im only 226.5 ag

bag*

[limpid pawn]

can you infinitely farm renown

doing heroics

assuming you are behind

[last mason]

yes

but u still need to do cov campaign

[limpid pawn]

al done

im jusjt looking for the remainder

[unique shale]

guys kyrain or night fea m+ wise ?

[mossy peak]

up to you

night fae for more damage, kyrian for the potion

[deft bloom]

quick question. haste/vers or haste mastery for reprisal leggo?

[steep moss]

reprisal back to 4 sec : (

[outer solstice]

I love NF it really helps with casters

[ionic pewter]

noooooooooo

[woven trellis]

oh waw

yeah

its been fixed alreayd

it feels

so much worst

actually

[bleak badge]

What do you mean?

Also, has anyone noticed a bug with stalwart guardian conduit not properly reducing shield wall's cooldown?

[steep moss]

reprisal was incorrectly 6 seconds yesterday

Now it's correctly at 4 seconds again @bleak badge (atleast for me on EU @ dummies atm)

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-bugs-with-patch-9-0-5-protection-warrior-and-windwalker-monk-321355 reference

[woven trellis]

it feels so bad lol

theyre just so dumb

really

[bleak badge]

Oh wow, I just thought it gave you the full duration of shield block. The tooltip should specify "4 seconds of shield block" or something like that

Is it still bis tho?

[steep moss]

For m+ and if used properly in raids for dps as described in pins yes

[compact palm]

F

[steep moss]

" If a nerf comes along, the sky isn't falling."

[compact palm]

Just the ceiling

[unique shale]

what happened ?

[compact palm]

They bugfixed reprisal

How dare they bugfix us

[unique shale]

lol

[restive wigeon]

how dare these motherfuckers nerf reprisal in the first place

[unique shale]

i knew it i didn't craft it XD

[restive wigeon]

just let it go live op

adjust if its too strong

[compact palm]

Now Lene say that on the we forums

Let me say that on the ww

Yikes phone

[steep moss]

Still worth crafting

[unique shale]

why monks should be buggy for 8 years while war cannot be buggy for a month

or patch

[restive wigeon]

whats the fastest way to grind renown

[past lotus]

raid, spam heroic dung or +2's

[restive wigeon]

ait thanks brother

[mighty cairn]

are the plague deviser necro buffs in m+ a meme or are they actually solid compared to other soulbinds?

[woven trellis]

tbh

this 4sec reprisal

feels like a huge dps loss

idj

idk

i played earlier with 6 sec and felt just great

and now

i feeling myself with moments of relapse

[wanton condor]

Idk, I was still fucking invincible with it

[woven trellis]

isnt how its supposed to be?

invincible face to physical dmg

and weak to every other situation

xd

[exotic wadi]

I'm currently wondering between upgrading the wall or making reprisal...

[woven trellis]

my advice go play pokemon

[exotic wadi]

lol..

[woven trellis]

they trollin us with this <oups lets enjoy it, oh no lets get back to 4 sec<

fuck sake

[exotic wadi]

so the wall I guess

[woven trellis]

no its probably still reprisal

but its just

i mean for m+

but it just feels like all of our options are meh again

i was so excited to get to enjoy keys with protw again

[barren socket]

jesus guys

[exotic wadi]

yeah... prot could have been a good replacement for DH

[barren socket]

we still got a high uptime on shield block

even with 4 secs

[exotic wadi]

although for raid, i suppose wall stays best

[woven trellis]

no i mean Jooj, its alright uptime but like 4 sec is nothing really

u pop it and its gone

[steep moss]

I mean its literally in the pins and in the guide , better in raid dps wise with proper play and still good for m+ 🤔

It's still fine

[exotic wadi]

I know the guide.. but since im off spec prot.. I'm hesitating between upgrading my The wall or making reprisal

[woven trellis]

if u raid go the wall

i guess

[steep moss]

Not aimed at anyone specific

if u offspec casually u can go either, id go wall if u mainly raid and reprisal if u m+ mainly with it if its both just will be slightly less strong in 1 aspect

[exotic wadi]

alright. that was what I was leaning to, but thought why not get discords opinion 😉

[woven trellis]

yeah The wall will be <slightly less strong< in m+ than reprisal

thats exactly whats bothering

it should be way less strong than reprisal

[steep moss]

That's fair opinion

[exotic wadi]

they did mention they wanted the legendary to be situational

since they are pretty close. they are situational xD

[woven trellis]

what they want for this game is fricking bad

[steep moss]

just be careful with sky is falling attitude or its gonna just end up with everyone having a breakdown till mods make a pin

[woven trellis]

making all your game around things that dont matter is just sad

[stark ocean]

does anyone know why the 3rd boss in SOA sometimes bugs out and immediately recharges after the 2nd set of orb drops?

[woven trellis]

sky isnt fallin, it just seemed like it was going to brighten up

[exotic wadi]

indy company

[woven trellis]

but it was a tease

[stark ocean]

understand there's better ways to position; just wondering why it happens

bc its infuriating

[woven trellis]

its actually several minutes of SB UPtime difference in every key

its so much

the 2sec diff

[unique shale]

if i swap covenant my animas are gone ?

[exotic wadi]

iirc yes

[unique shale]

if i go back to same covenant i have it there ?

[steep moss]

You can spend your reservoir anima and buy the covenant gear/refundable items then you can sell after swapping covenant and get anima with new covenant

Yes

[unique shale]

still don't know should i go kyrain from venthyr or not since i too lazy to do the quest before weekly reast for going back and farm renown

[teal quest]

So what is the say on covenants? Is staying Kyrian ok, or are you bad and should feel bad and go Necro

[unique shale]

neco is good in both raid and m+ with coordination

since you have to give mastery buff to people who really need

[limpid pawn]

the issue is also that kyrian dungeon abilities are OP

lol

[steep moss]

If you're Kyrian and you like being Kyrian it's more than ok to stay Kyrian

[unique shale]

is it okay to stay venthyr ?

[teal quest]

Thats good to hear, I do like the ability to kite you have with the SoB

[wanton condor]

I love spear

[steep moss]

I mean I think Venth is one of the worse ones but is up to you figure out if its ok to stay venth

[wanton condor]

Banner is bland, Condemn not useful, but spear and stomp both do good things

[steep moss]

lets u play dps with a big covenant, u don't need to be a kyrian to do ur ksm/mythic raid

[wanton condor]

That said, Venthyr means easier HoA/SD and stronger offspec

[sterile moss]

ugh, the "bugfix"

they literally had it at 6 sec iniutially just to rub it in

[teal quest]

Oh dang they "fixed" it?

[steep moss]

Yeah.. : (

[obtuse prism]

still feels good

esp wheb your healers dps goes up by 300

[teal quest]

My raid is later this week, anybody raid with this? does it feel janky when main tanking?

[limpid pawn]

I think we have nothing to worry about in raid

even before patch warrior felt ok

[obtuse prism]

im trying it in heroic on sat

[limpid pawn]

it's mythic plus i think where we are much much stronger now

[grizzled forge]

is having more shield block time up better overall for mythic sludge prog or wall still just better?

via reprisal vs wall

[astral crystal]

Sludge has very predictable melee swings because his abilities are all on a strict timer

Go with the wall

[woven trellis]

why did slime injection inflicted me 30k

exactly

[unique shale]

SR it

[woven trellis]

ah

nice

oke

[unique shale]

23% less magical damage if you are kyrain

[woven trellis]

im kyrian

[pastel kelp]

anyone catching up on renown noticed once i hit 30 super rare

[tame jasper]

Atm my guild progresses on Sire HC and we constantly get to p3. From tank view we only habe one question we dont understand. Sometimes in p3 (always about around 20%) sire is immun to taunt so we cant switch (to get rid of skorn) and one of us gets high stacks. What do we misd here?

[unique shale]

what

it won't be immun to taunt

[tame jasper]

We had it yesterday in at least three times that I or the other tank failed to taunt because „immune“

[unique shale]

2 way boss can become immune to tount 1 addon or macro that keep tounting boss or main tank doing too much dps that you lose aggro anyway

[wanton condor]

it's what, 5 taunts in 15s?

with the timer extending each taunt?

you might be swapping too much

20s sorry

[solemn latch]

you need 20s without taunts to reset DR

[tame jasper]

Hm. We switch st 5-7 stacks (dependig how other abilities kick in)

Its not regulat aggro lose. at least from my side I nearly stop styling cause of that and when I had this prob it clearly shows an „immune“

So must be DR I think. Will keep an eye on it on Sunday

[cobalt mason]

Hello guys! New to tanking here. I'm thinking about maining tank from now on and was wondering what covenant you guys recommend 🙂 I used to play dps so I have my venthyr at 38 and now I'm necrolord at 30

[unique shale]

go kyrain or nf. if you are lazy stay venthyr its fine

[sterile moss]

The pins explain pros and cons of each cov

But they’re all fine for all content

[cobalt mason]

Thanks guys. I'll check them out

[stable kernel]

even with 4 seconds on reprisal still feels good

but is sad

[coral jasper]

So what talents are you guys running in M+ situation with reprisal? Obv DoubleTime but anything else change? you can not take bolstering for AM yeah?

[round vortex]

This might have been asked, but did the 6 second to 4 second shield block adjustment to Reprisal not make it to live?

[brisk flax]

Necrolord - Yes - No - Trash?

[unique shale]

read pins

[floral pewter]

BSC and AM, Double Time is fine but not required

[round vortex]

Ok reprisal still 4 secs

[barren socket]

damn, bonesmith heirmir got some really trash conduits path

like 3 endurance and one finesse

[unkempt fox]

It was 6 sec yesterday now fixed @round vortex

[barren socket]

the hell

[unkempt fox]

It was a very good day though

[round vortex]

Yeah jsut had someone in my discord ask me. All I have done is craft it, yet to do M+.
I jsut jumped on and tested and yeah fixed. and its not just tooltip fixed I checked the buff too lol

[surreal plinth]

What slot are you guys putting reprisal on? Legs?

[stable kernel]

i still have shield block a lot for dungeons

reprisal still good

[unkempt fox]

If you don't mythic raid yes, otherwise you can get SLG 233 legs @surreal plinth

[surreal plinth]

Thunderlords is still viable correct? It's just Reprisal is "better" atm?

For M+ that is

[floral pewter]

TL didn't get any worse

[vestal moat]

Prog finally done fam.

[dense flame]

[floral pewter]

Grats!

[chilly brook]

gratz dawg

[vestal moat]

Can finally go venthyr now for keys

[thorny plume]

Hey guys so Necro banner is the 2 closest people in your raid or does it also consider who is in your party?

[cinder nova]

Can't believe those jaggofs nerfed Reprisal

big angery

[smoky sparrow]

yeah by the time u charge in sb is pretty much gone lul

[sick sentinel]

So ive got a 220 slh, a 220 blood splattered, and a 220 sanguine vintage which combo should i run for trinkets

im currently doing slh and blood splattered

[smoky sparrow]

for dungeons slh and scale

raids slh vintage

[sick sentinel]

interesting, any particular reason why sanguine beats out blood splattered in raid?

[smoky sparrow]

lower cd, less packs of mobs

[sick sentinel]

I see i see

thanks!

[nova compass]

Hey, wanted to switch to prot today, if you've never known 6 sec reprisal, does the 4 sec still feel really nice?

[vestal moat]

yes lol it's good

dont sweat it

[nova compass]

Ok thanks :)

[coral jasper]

Thank you @floral pewter ..

So .. people are saying AM got a buff? Or is it just more feasible now that we aren't as "required" to have bolster? Or am I just reading things incorrectly lol

[median tulip]

With Reprisal increasing the available shield block, Bolster's additional shield block is no longer the only game in town when it comes to SB uptime.

It's really that simple

[coral jasper]

Yeah I just didnt know if AM was altered some other way or if people were just saying it was viable is all. Thanks.

[median tulip]

No, no actual changes to Anger Management. Just knock-on effects of other changes made

[coral jasper]

Gotcha. Cool cool.

Appreciate it again.

[median tulip]

The value of AM's CDR on Avatar rises with the increased damage output from Reprisal too

[coral jasper]

And what was reprisal PRE rework? It wasn't on the radar so I didn't know what it used to be.

Gootcha.

[floral pewter]

It was total garbage

[dapper dome]

Is necro best for prot now? Or is it still Lydian

[median tulip]

This was the old version:

[dapper dome]

Kyrian

[sweet summit]

Kyrian>=nightfae>necro>venthyr

[median tulip]

All of the covenants are viable; you just need to play towards their strengths

[sweet summit]

Necro can be extremely powerful if u buff the right specs at the right time

[dapper dome]

I thought necro would be best considering the rework

[sweet summit]

Majority of players wont bother min/maxing it. And if you dont, then kyrian/nf is better

[dapper dome]

Oh crap just switched from nightfae aswell lol

[median tulip]

The rework bought Necro up to being on a par with the others. DGMW, it was a good rework, but it started from a low base

[tender copper]

Is the 6 second reprisal sb getting fixed to 4 seconds or staying?

[sweet summit]

People saying it is

Idk

[prisma bear]

im playing right now its 4

tooltip as well

[sick sentinel]

Ability to charge in without being gangraped on pull is a huge qol change. + Intervene and charge during fight giving you free SB.
I did some m+ yesterday and healers were impressed by my overall resilience on trash.

[rare kraken]

Can you sim tanking?

[fringe marten]

No sors; but what part of 'tanking' are you trying to run a sim on?

[sweet summit]

You can sim tank dps

[rare kraken]

How much damage you're takin

[sweet summit]

No

[rare kraken]

Someone said in my discord "you can just sim different tank legendaries in top gear"

[dark lark]

It's only good with a set group that you can communicate with

[rare kraken]

Because I was explaining how one tank legendary was better over the other

[sweet summit]

Ye for dps, as a tank, you can sim

[dark lark]

You can sim your damage that's about it

[rare kraken]

Yeah that's what I assumed

[dark lark]

Your mitigation, no. That's just based on your own gameplay

[rare kraken]

But according to her top gear sims will tell you how much damage you're taking 🤔

[dark lark]

Wrong

[rare kraken]

Yep

[dark lark]

Make sure you mansplain back to her

[rare kraken]

Figured

[unique shale]

bs

[mossy peak]

they'll tell you how much damage you're taking

[rare kraken]

I will not

[mossy peak]

off of the boss's life bar

that is

[rare kraken]

She's extremely defensive

Kinda hates me

all that biz

[fervent axle]

Not sure if it has been mentioned here yet, but Phail of Putrification is breaking invis pot. Tested in in a rest area so there should be no reason for it to break. Broke out after 2 seconds with Phail equipped, switched from it and it ran the duration.

[dark lark]

Needs more mansplaining then

[rare kraken]

I'll just explain to the tank I was explaining to

[dark lark]

Lol

[rare kraken]

Doesn't matter anyway, he believed my explanation

[sweet summit]

Ye theres a lot of bugs revolving around invis pots atm :/

[rare kraken]

just making sure I have the right info

[mossy peak]

the most generous i can say is, maybe she was thinking of wow analyzer

or something along those lines

[fervent axle]

Someone at bliz plays a rogue and salt they aren't brought for shroud

[rare kraken]

She doesn't use that

[mossy peak]

that someone should just buff rogues to not be shit then

[rare kraken]

Then again she was playing balance with an agility weapon and when I said it was odd she did it the second time round she's just gone quiet

and when I called myself an idiot she said "record that for my and send it to me please"

so that should give you an idea of what's happening with that

[mossy peak]

sounds like you should just ignore this person

[median tulip]

In theory you should be able to sim a maximum uptime for active mitigation

That's not quite the same as "Simming tanking" though

[rare kraken]

if you know demon hunters, I was explaining how fiery soul was a much more defensive build than razelikh's and if you wanna prioritise raw survivability you should do a build centered around that

and she was like "yeah but you can just use top gear and sim yourself"

[unique shale]

lol

[rare kraken]

I had to restrain myself from going HUH?!

@unique shale yeah she was like "well idk what you want me to do" and she complains about her low dps 🤔

I didn't say anything to that

because my instinctual response was "dont play balance until you get an int weapon lol"

[deft sapphire]

Maybe she needs to equip intellect items irl

[rare kraken]

lmao

She's a clicker too

kinda

she mains feral

I don't get it, she fuckin pumps on Feral and she does keys pretty well

I think she just can't stand being told she's wrong

and she's wrong a lot

and I don't want everyone to be running on wrong information so I correct her :\

what the fuck was that lmfao

[delicate thorn]

I can't stand being wrong either, good thing I'm always right 🙂

[unique shale]

🤣

[unique shale]

roll necro to help her in dps

[sand condor]

Wtf did i just read

[chilly brook]

Simc does actually have a dtps sim iirc

But it's a vacuum

@rare kraken

But again vacuum

[floral pewter]

I'm very skeptical of anything that concludes paladin takes less damage than warrior o.O

[warped cave]

prot feels great to heal, was so a month ago too

it's a vacuum situation. prot pala is pretty strong with sotr. it's the uptime of it people fail alot with imho. also hello people 🙂 The sim might take into account abs from avengers shield? not a clue how the sim works for dtps 🙂

[chilly brook]

Yep, it's just a vacuum sim and idk what they base it on just know that it's technically in your sim if you open up the simulationcraft source link

[toxic otter]

raid prot pal profile won't take that talent

[warped cave]

what talent ? both are spells in the book

[toxic otter]

AS shield is a talent

baseline it doesn't shield

[warped cave]

aaa.

[toxic otter]

and probably it's b/c that sim has the boss hitting you constantly so sotr/cons being 100% uptime vs shield block at like 50% uptime

neither profile has much in the way of defensive cooldowns implemented and used either

the bear profile is dumping rage into maul

it only casts 1 ironfur per 13s on average

[onyx moon]

well my mythic group runs a Balance druid and a Fire mage so i switched necro hopefully it works out

[sand condor]

Hold up

Is reprisal 6 seconds on live again?

[gaunt dawn]

For now

[onyx moon]

op

[sand condor]

[gaunt dawn]

Give it like

12hrs

[sand condor]

Yeah i doubt blizz wants warriors to be remotely meta

[gaunt dawn]

Until someone changes the number to the one on the other side on the numpad

😢

[chilly brook]

Realistically keeping it as 6 seconds isn't really that OP

[onyx moon]

im not sure reprisal have 6sec up time is enough too push us too the top

[gaunt dawn]

That too

[chilly brook]

It being 4 seconds would still be wildly good

[smoky wave]

The difference is just qol

[chilly brook]

Nothing is dethroning DH anytime soon

[sand condor]

Welp

[potent anvil]

It was 4s like an hour ago. It changed back to 6?

[toxic otter]

it is 4s on live as of right this minute

[gaunt dawn]

I can dethrone them

[toxic otter]

so idk

[patent zealot]

Omg they hotfixed it rip

[sand condor]

Nightfae is good for raiding as prot

[gaunt dawn]

Oh. It's been fixed already

Ez

[sand condor]

Right?

[chilly brook]

NF is good period

Ye

[sand condor]

Yikes

[toxic otter]

the tooltip doesn't say 4s, but it is

[onyx moon]

Vengence is best tank and 3rd best dps lol

[gaunt dawn]

Lasted a day

[ionic fern]

Can we blame Blizzard for Mental abuse cause of this?

😦

[gaunt dawn]

No

[sand condor]

Aight. Well time to swap NF next reset

[unique shale]

yes

[gaunt dawn]

You can blame me

I'll take it

[chilly brook]

Do it!

[sand condor]

Time to write mass support tickets

[ionic fern]

No, we can't blame you. 😦
You're one of us Prot boyes.

[gaunt dawn]

Am i

[chilly brook]

It's always the blood DKs.....smh

[gaunt dawn]

My warrior is level 50

[ionic fern]

Hei..just cause you like Pink Prot it's fine.
We don't judge.
It's still Prot.

[chilly brook]

You still playing your blood?

[sand condor]

I don’t really care enough to stay venthyr. If my raid team keeps swapping what tgey want from me im just gonna play what I want

[gaunt dawn]

I binned the dk week 2

[chilly brook]

Kekw

[gaunt dawn]

Picked it back up last week

[chilly brook]

About the same for me

I dropped it second week

[gaunt dawn]

Now that crw makes it fun(ctional) in m+

[chilly brook]

Don't regret it

[warped cave]

I am going necro on my prot as I level it now :>

[sand condor]

I started on pink prot this expac

And dropped it cus my raid needed a warrior

[gaunt dawn]

Good choice

[chilly brook]

Warrior is fun tbh

[gaunt dawn]

I played paladin this week in raid

Its worse than any other tank early prog at 203 ilvl

Xd

[sand condor]

^^^^^^

Yep

[gaunt dawn]

Its mad

[chilly brook]

And despite supposedly being terrible as a dps class I'm still top 3 boss damage on council

[sweet summit]

Fury kinda owns

[ionic fern]

Welp.

[sand condor]

Even still I was the best performing over a mix of a prot warrior (this is the dude that presses ip over sb) a vdh and a guardian druid

[chilly brook]

👀

[toxic otter]

idk it didn't feel that bad to me at the start of the tier but otoh I haven't gotten to play my tank alts in raid either

[jovial zodiac]

Im guessing reprisal will stay 6s, as some will have made the legendary because of that, and blizz rarely wants to mess with that, unless its gamebreaking.

[chilly brook]

I unironically have doom on my switch

[gaunt dawn]

DH by far feels the best

[toxic otter]

your guess is wrong

[sweet summit]

Its 4s atm

They fixed it

GigaSadge

[gaunt dawn]

Geared DK is also kinda hot

[sweet summit]

Ur kinda hot

[chilly brook]

Our Blood DK has like 32% vers

👀

[gaunt dawn]

Proud of your dk

[sand condor]

Tbh Guardian druid is nuts

[gaunt dawn]

They did pvp

[chilly brook]

He did

He hit 2100 today lol

[gaunt dawn]

Any tank that did pvp is on 30+ vers

[ionic fern]

I opened up the Xbox PC app after a while and they were just there..staring at me..now i need to play. 😦

[gaunt dawn]

🙂

[chilly brook]

I'm trying to push rating

Just cuz

[gaunt dawn]

Trying????

Just do it

[chilly brook]

Chief

Unfortunately

[gaunt dawn]

Chief

Big mortal strike

Into smash

[chilly brook]

I'm relying on 9 other people to not be dumb

Cuz rbgs

[gaunt dawn]

Not playing arms in 2v2

Smh

[sweet summit]

Literally just do 2s

Venthyr exploiter

[chilly brook]

I'm shit at arena ok

[sand condor]

Bruh

[chilly brook]

[sweet summit]

📈

[gaunt dawn]

Get better

[sand condor]

I tried

[gaunt dawn]

Makes you a better player

[chilly brook]

I'm trying

I dumpster in BGs

[sand condor]

Nf clap pvp

[gaunt dawn]

#810664169140518947

[chilly brook]

Just not so much in arena

[ionic fern]

Oh hei, i'm a dumpster in BG's as well.

[gaunt dawn]

No meme

My co tank

Had a 158 ilvl weapon

Got to 1800

[unique shale]

me in pvp charge and die in 2 sc

[chilly brook]

I live in BGs the problem is getting everyone else to do damage

Or like stunning/cc chaining healers so you can secure kills

[sand condor]

I haven’t even done rbgs

[unique shale]

bgs i ganna dps tank not tthe healer XD

[chilly brook]

Rbgs unironically are fun af tbh

Until blizz's matchmaking makes them not fun

[gaunt dawn]

RBGs are good yeah

Make a guild group. Have a shot caller

Enjoy 1800

If you want 2100. You need to make your comp kinda fotm

[unique shale]

1500 rate group face zero cr group (bossters)

so fun

[warped cave]

yeah after 1500 it's pretty sickening most of the time, the match making system is so busted. you might face a 1800 premade, like just sit down :x

[orchid frigate]

im confused, reprisal hotfixed?

down to 4s again?

[steep lake]

yup

[jagged pier]

not hot fixed just working as intended now

[orchid frigate]

ah bummers. felt too good to be true

[lavish oracle]

You should still be able to get very high uptime

[unique shale]

guys for mythic vault only consider your highest dung you don't need to manage to get last dung on your wanted dung right ?

[steep lake]

you don't get loot from vault corresponding to the dungeons you've done

if that's what you're asking

[surreal sinew]

☝️

[steep lake]

the specific loot from those dungeons that is

[mighty valley]

yeah. first slot is highest done, second is lowest of top 4, third is lowest of top 10. so do ten 14s or above and everything else you do doesn't matter

[mild ruin]

Debating If it’s worth going engi for nitro boosts on warrior to assist with pulls in M+ what do people think?

[jagged pier]

i use invis as its OP as fuk

might go for target dummy tho

[mighty valley]

engi is the only profession that really helps at all in combat. not necessary but the rest aren't really doing anything at all

[mild ruin]

Has anyone tried the slands thorns one?

[sick sentinel]

Which one?

[mighty valley]

the 207?

[blazing condor]

207

[mighty valley]

ilvl > all for armor pieces

[blazing condor]

only compare secondaries when its the same ilvl

[surreal sinew]

rule of thumb is more ilvl = more armour and str = better

[mighty valley]

then for equivalent ilvl, haste is best, and the 207 also has higher haste

[sick sentinel]

so vers isnt that impactful then compared to 10 ilvl

good to know

[blazing condor]

vers only really matters when youre pushing very high keys

otherwise just go haste

[sick sentinel]

im 194 tanking 15's, I feel like I'd die without it xD

[strong forum]

The vers wouldn't even win at 3ilvl

[sick sentinel]

Fair enough

Good to know cheers

[strong forum]

Ya'all seriously overestimate how much damage reduction you gain from getting a few% vers lol

[sick sentinel]

I was playing blood dk, vers felt needed sometimes

[unique shale]

well now you are dude with a shield

[dapper dome]

How are you getting into grps for 15s at 194 ilvl or are you tanking your own key with friends?

[sick sentinel]

Me and 2 friends are pugging them

[dapper dome]

Okay so is it your key or a random pugs key

[sick sentinel]

207 MW and 216 Boomkin

Our key

[dapper dome]

Okay that makes sense then

Normally people wouldn’t inv you to get for a 15 at that ilvl

[sick sentinel]

Still +1 from a Mist 14

So not too bad

[unique shale]

if you have 226 or 220 shield 15+ is possible

[dapper dome]

Do you raid? If so that’s the fastest way to get your ilvl up if you can go with friends to pass loot

[jagged pier]

its not

thats pvp

[sick sentinel]

184 shield

[jagged pier]

if u want fast ilvl

go pvp

like u can do normal bgs for 2 days

[sick sentinel]

apart from 226 hands, nothing is over 210

[jagged pier]

get 200 honor and buy a 200 shield

which is huge compared to 184

[dapper dome]

Max honour gear can get to is 197

[unique shale]

you are putting too much pressure on healer

get gear up

[sick sentinel]

She said it was fine 😂

[unique shale]

idk they were people like you in 15 taking 6m damage taken before first boss

[jagged pier]

because they dont know how to play ppl cleared 15 in first week in like 170

[dapper dome]

Just go the raid with you monk buddy and get him to roll off hand orb on xymox and slg

[unique shale]

i mean over gear healer can carry you but average one i don't think so in 15

[mild ruin]

Is shield really that crucial a slot? i understand the extra armor but i didnt realise it would be THAT big

[unique shale]

it is big

[jagged pier]

YES its the only piece with block on it

[sturdy sable]

It's the single biggest upgrade to your survivability

[dapper dome]

I tanked a 15 pf last night at 215 ilvl with a 190 shield as I’ve just switched from fury

[mild ruin]

Mmm should i prio using valor to upgrade a shield to 220 then?

[jagged pier]

iif u dont have a high shield yes

[dapper dome]

It’s a big upgrade to have a good shield but also doing you cds properly helps a lot

[mild ruin]

i have a 184 shield 😛

[unique shale]

bruh

[sick sentinel]

If you rotate cd's and know how to kite your fine anyway

[dapper dome]

I bought the boe 1 months ago for like 30k

[jagged pier]

LUL kiting in 15s

[unique shale]

get 200 ilvl pvp shield

[sick sentinel]

Im 194, kiting is my friend sometimes

[dapper dome]

What covenant are you running?

[sick sentinel]

Necro

[odd verge]

Question about the banner: Does it remove snares/roots? i keep getting conflicting information.

[mild ruin]

Snares yes

roots i dont believe so

[surreal sinew]

did 3s yesterday and i'm pretty sure it did

might have been a really quick dispel though

[sand condor]

make reprisal legs

yes?

[surreal sinew]

unless you can kill mythic generals

[sand condor]

hah

no

we';re struggeling on fucking sludge

won't be for a while

and i won't get it unless it drops for me

[surreal sinew]

i'm banking on getting really lucky

or bribing someone

[hexed rune]

WTB soul ash

[rugged fog]

Getting mixed messages with leggo for mythic plus thunderclap or reprisal now?

[jagged pier]

reprisal

[lofty widget]

reprisal, check the pins

[strong forum]

Reprisal

[hexed nest]

Reprisal

[gritty oak]

Hi, I have given myself the challenge of getting KSM done on all tanks this season, DH, Druid and Pala done, Prot Warrior the next coming. I have been reading the pins but to be sure, the recommended build right now is the Reprisal legendary, and Kyrian covenant? is there any other advices you would give me 🙂 ?

[clear ruin]

Reprisal is amazing but has a learning curve

You should be capable of doing it though

Intervene on cool down

Use your charges

Kyrian has a nice pinning effect for kiting but I feel it’s real value is damage and rage gen

Night fae gots kiting potential with fox form and the dmg and knockdown is awesome

Those are the two most recommended but you can complete ksm with any

Kyrian pot is really nice too

Useful for bleeds

[strong forum]

Should be a walk in the park if you have KSM on 3 others already

[tame jasper]

My command table mission finished some hours ago, so I can build this afternoon

[clear ruin]

Yeah

[strong forum]

Just go in and have fun

[hexed rune]

I shouldn't have made that R4 signet. I'm tapped on soul ash

[signal gust]

I just hit 60 on the ol prot warrior. I am going to be taking over tanking for my guild coming next tier. Would it be wise to craft The Wall and Reprisal (for M+) and be Kyrian?

[gritty oak]

Alright, Reprisal sounds like a fun legndary to learn, but surely something that will take a bit of practise. I think ill go for the safe bet and run with Kyrian then, I was hearing a lot of about necrolord a few weeks back though, did the expected buff never come?

[strong forum]

Necrolord is only decent if you seriously play around buffing your dps players

Nothing more nothing less

People overhyped it beyond believe

[gritty oak]

@strong forum Im not worried about getting it, but its always wise to ask people that have more experience with prot warrior then myself 🙂

[hexed rune]

And you have dps players you play with regularly. Not guaranteed that pigs will position correctly

Pugs

[gritty oak]

understood, ill mostly be pugging it with the ocasional pocket healer, it bothers me that Kyrian is the go to covenant for so many classes though.

[signal gust]

Kyrian Bis for a lot of tanks whereas NF is nuts for a lot of dps

from what i see at least

[hexed rune]

You can do NF too

[odd verge]

I feel like Necrolord can make me a little more tankier. With fleshcraft and soulbinds. And buffs, even with PUGs i think i can intervene mages/boom, banner, and charge back to give them the buff and work with reprisal.

[hexed rune]

It can work, but there's less margin of error for KY/NF

[tame jasper]

Sounds like you have a nice group. I‘m sure that I as the warrior tank can do ksm, but my groups often fail, like standing in shit, not doing adds. Really frustraiting esp in combination with many „meta-thinking“ ppl (even in guild)...

[shrewd steeple]

any test so far with Reprisal and Best Served Cold

[ionic fern]

Yes, a ton.

[verbal pelican]

Get ready to get some weird looks with reprisal, had a pug sarcastically commenting every use of intervene until i told him its for my leggy. Pugs are not yet used to warriors zooming around 😄

[shrewd steeple]

is it not too much dps increase and therevore to much of a defensive loss?

[ionic fern]

If you're running Reprisal and using it properly you should default into BSC.

[strong forum]

You'll bathe in rage with playing reprisal

BV is overkill

[ionic fern]

You still get the defensive value from Demo Shout.

[shrewd steeple]

okay great and then i will just test to go unstoppable force and angemanagement

aswell

[ionic fern]

RAvager and AM.

🙂

More Rage & More damage.

[shrewd steeple]

i just thought the thunderclap buff + UF might be stronger than ravager

but if u are saying no i dont need to do any testing ;D much appriciated

[forest fern]

ravager has better "tactic" uses aswell, remember you have next to no ranged aoe threat

[gritty oak]

@tame jasper Oh i mostly do pug, but i find that as a tank we can in most situations be the determing factor in regards to a run being good or bad, with pugs I usually play around the mantra, slow is smooth smooth is fast, people tend to make much less mistakes if they dont feel like the tank is rushing/panicking

@verbal pelican by that statement alone, you sold me on the idea of playing reprisal! zoom warrior! 😄

[forest fern]

i almost wish we had bfa intervene back now that we have reprisal, would work great with it lol

[sand condor]

aight

so

haste > crit > vers > mast for m+

ye?

so should i make reprisal haste crit?

[mild ruin]

Haste > vers > crit > mast no?

[strong forum]

Ilvl >Haste > vers >= crit > mast for m+

[unique shale]

what about mastery ?!

[strong forum]

UF is now only on par on dmg with Ravager, but still less rage gen and awkward rotation during avatar

[sweet summit]

Is it on par dps wise? 👀

[jagged pier]

its like 10 dps less on aoe

on ST its more i think

like the difference is more

not that it does mroe

on that not tho ive seen alot of prots leveling using UF and they just cant hold aggro at all

so im still gunna say its shit

[unique shale]

beside aggro they die by face tanking a lot

some don't know what is SR

[lost vapor]

Quick Question here, i just made the reprisal legendary, for mythic + uses i guess I should run Double Time - BSC - AM ?

[lofty widget]

yes

DT / storm bolt probably

[jagged pier]

well i also cant really talk about aggro as im playing am mythic geared ele shammy so an overload echoing shock chain lightening rips aggro form everything 🤷

[lost vapor]

Yeah, depends on the dungeon I guess

[jagged pier]

now thats its 4 secs

i say DT

[lofty widget]

is it 4 sec now?

[jagged pier]

yes

[lost vapor]

yeah it shows 4 secs

[lofty widget]

F

[delicate thorn]

someone blabbed

get them!

[unique shale]

yeah overload echoing shock chain lightening is worse then fire mage

[jagged pier]

its not its far more fun that a fire mage

[rich folio]

the 6 second to 4 second difference is disgustingly noticeable

so disappointing

[gritty oak]

I really dont get the aggro issue, as leveling i had zero issue holding aggro, whatsoever. And even now, ran a couple of 8-9's yesterday, aggro was not a issue even with 173 i lvl and a 130 weapon from BFA, Sure a combust or convoke might rip aggro on 1 target, but thats not different from any other tank.

[mild ruin]

Played with a ret pala yesterday who was 30 ilvl higher than me, he could pull agro on pull but after first 3-4 secs it was not an issue

[unique shale]

aggro aggro

getting tried of it

[wide charm]

Oh guys i have just seen that reprisal is back to 4 sec, does that change that much prot's viability ?

[jagged pier]

no

u just have to play better

[lofty widget]

anyone tried it with 4 sec yet who knows % blocked hits?

[jagged pier]

its less for sure but if u play it correctly not by much from me playing around with it this morning i wasnt doing it in a dungeon tho

and i probs wont do any more dungeons this week already done 4

and kind of hate storming

[tame jasper]

Yeah I‘m also on the slower side in pugs, but you can force them to do adds, dint stand in shit.

Last week (Blasting) I even told them to not roll the debuff, but bäm bäm bäm stacking it up

Same this werk (bolster): Bring them down together results in nice ST-focus and big bolstered mobs etc

[lofty widget]

ive fallen off the map twice now due to storming, bad affix

[fringe marten]

just did a 17 DoS, yo that place is mad cancer with Tyran, and storming...

[unique shale]

lol

i never fall off from storming only in spire but it wasn't from storming

[tame jasper]

And then I always ask myself what I do wrong. Sure sometimes I do mistakes, i recognize them, say sorry and try to improve in future, but i dont do such basic errors 😦

[median tulip]

The worst dungeon with Storming is Sanguine Depths

[fringe marten]

It's pretty bad too yeah; the gauntlet is kind of a dookie show~

[gritty oak]

Thats the main thing about tanking, do as little mistakes a possible, but remember that we tend to focus less on a dps rotation, or health bars, so we generally have more time/better overview to see those kind of things.

[unique shale]

SD is worse of all every week XD

[mossy peak]

if your awfulness is not just patently obvious you can always try throwing blame on the dps or heals

[median tulip]

My regular healer is my girlfriend, that shit don't fly

[mossy peak]

first mistake, mixing business with pleasure

[unique shale]

[fringe marten]

I would like to sit down with the individuals responsible for the design paradigm for M+ (currently, not when it was rolled out during when legion was being made). I would like to ask them if they feel M+ should have interesting mechanics to interact with and hurdle...and give a somewhat consistent difficulty feel; or if they just don't care if some weeks are honestly exponentially more difficult than others across all dungeons due to affixes being insanely imbalanced. (as far as difficulty to play with/against goes)

[wet compass]

I haven't done SD since I got my 15 of it done tbh because the worst part of it is at the very end and fuck that

[fringe marten]

I just compare it to raiding; and from a TANKING perspective I don't feel or see a swing in difficulty from fight to fight, like you can with how shadowlands dungeons shift from week to week dependant on affixes.

From an overall encounter perspective, yes there can be a dramatic swing in how demanding some fights are on the whole raids coordination/etc.

[mossy peak]

most of the affixes are balanced within reason, the bigger issue is just fortified vs tyrannical

there are more aids affixes but they're usually omega aids when combined with tyrannical

everyone's been calling for a change to the fortified/tyrannical thing for years but

well

it's not changing

[fringe marten]

I would agree up to a point; but storming is honestly a whole other beast.

[blazing condor]

storming is literally just there to annoy you lmao

it doesnt hurt or anything

[eager phoenix]

the weekly affix concept is Good Fun on paper but just becomes trash design when you dont even want to play certain weeks. Then the design is flawed. Like in an ARPG you can dodge affixes your build cant handle. in Wow you just be miserable and play or play and still be miserable. Obviously everything isnt going to float everyones boat thats just how it goes. but like storming with 2-3 melee in the group is trash tier

[blazing condor]

piss affix

[wet compass]

I think it should be required for all wow devs to do 10 keys a week

[mossy peak]

storming is just a mildly more irritating volcanic

[wet compass]

at 15+

then we would see shit change

[fringe marten]

No it does more than annoy you, it is honestly far more dangerous and irritating than something like bursting etc.

[blazing condor]

sorry for the late content community every one of our devs were pushing their vaults

[wet compass]

raid and dungeon and ion then 🙂

[blazing condor]

dont forget pvp

[median tulip]

Storming is particularly bad in Sanguine Depths because of all the explosive traps, echoing thrusts, gargoyle ground slams etc, and the very narrow passageways you have to play in

[wet compass]

who cares about holinka

[unique shale]

i have no problem in SD

[median tulip]

The storms themselves don't hurt; it's being knocked into the rest of the shit that's the problem

[unique shale]

people hate SD for no reason

[mossy peak]

it's maybe more annoying in SD, but i disagree that it's a notably dangerous affix

[unique shale]

but it is most fun dung to do

[mossy peak]

it is entirely avoidable

so comparing it to bursting is kind of silly, bursting is guaranteed

[fringe marten]

What's also so ...blah... is that healers are getting worse as this season pushes on. What I mean by that is; their expectation that you will spend the fight 'not' needing healing because you're NOT tanking is getting ridiculous.

[wet compass]

SD is awful without a full group

[fringe marten]

Not really; I'm not saying which one causes more damage or can 'kill you' by ITSELF. I'm talking about how it feels to interact with it as part of your dungeoneering gameplay.

[gritty oak]

Agree, i dont get the hate of SD, its a fun dungeon, but its more mechanical demanding then other dungeons, where brute force alone can get you far.

[eager phoenix]

i actually like sd. straight ahead no need to get fancy. and actually solid checkpoints should some poor lad die on the way

[median tulip]

Mists is a pain because you can't really plan Prides in the maze, but otherwise it's mostly just the first couple of pulls that hurt.

[visual drift]

how venth as prot so far?

[wet compass]

Mists is super easy though

[jagged pier]

not anymore as u cant pull through the wall, when u could like 90% of the time u got pride on the pack just before the boss

[unique shale]

good for haste and kiting

and single target damage

[jagged pier]

its fine just odnt condemn in aoe

[wet compass]

imagine not condemning ever

[jagged pier]

well u can on ST and when mobs are dying

[wet compass]

boooooo

just condemn

always condemn

[visual drift]

hm compared to nightfae?

[fringe marten]

So many of the ideas behind shadowlands dungeons are really cool, the interactivity where covenants give a substantial themed boost in group agency in a dungeon; the seasonal affix being something you have to combat against..then rewards you with great power.. But in execution they've combined to make M+ less enjoyable. Rolled into the overall design that dungeons are much harder because there's more casters, more serious abilities that need to be countered/kicked.

[median tulip]

Two really decent tanking Soulbinds, depending on whether you want max raid defensive tanking or a higher DPS rank for M+

[wet compass]

[jagged pier]

well nightfae is better for aoe 🤷

in general youll get more use of nightfae in a key than condemn

imo

[unique shale]

huge different

[wet compass]

Nightfae is better in general for damage tbh it's only like 30 behind in single from the sims posted

[fringe marten]

Honestly; for me right now... 'Prideful' season 1 affix is a HUGE reason M+ is far less enjoyable.

[wet compass]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/veLYbNtVYuZ2vwDFJxYGqd

[visual drift]

Okay so i stay as nightfae, i like my stun and soul

[wet compass]

Yeah burrs go brrrrrrr

[visual drift]

Thakn you guys

[median tulip]

I quite like the planning of when to get Prides

[wet compass]

I fucking hate it give me pillars again

[blazing condor]

its gonna be interesting seeing what routes people do when they dont have to calculate for 20%

[tame jasper]

As i had an eight year break, this season is my first mythic one. What were older season themes looked like?

[tame jasper]

Yeah

[fringe marten]

I don't because of how the required precision of count in dungeons super penalizes a random pug who isn't an allstar key runner; if they pull one extra add it can wreck the entire pride timing and have a serious detriment to the dungeon.

[sand condor]

bwonsamdi affix best affix

[median tulip]

Remember Beguiling?

[blazing condor]

either you had new mobs / affected mobs in the dungeon that did stuff (like heal nearby mobs or make them immune to CC) otherwise you could have affixes like this one where every 20% something happens (in BFA one was that every mob you killed turned into spirits and started aggroing you"

[fringe marten]

literally...NO chance that bwonsamdi's ghosts were the best. The final BFA season was the best affix M+ has ever seen.

[jagged pier]

i really like prideful tbh, i really want like risk reward affixes

[blazing condor]

void emissaries were fucking garbo

[wet compass]

I would rather have beguiling than prideful tbh I hate the 20% ones

[sand condor]

the 20% ghosts was the best by far

[jagged pier]

like lower hp u do more damage stuff like that