protection

[open monolith]

that's the spirit

[signal plover]

Gonna be a long tier tbh and middle bosses just got nerfed

[lusty marsh]

You're not subbed to both?

I gather nodes between pulls.

[open monolith]

Nah. I unsubbed ffxiv back before 5.1. I usually only play like, 1 patch of an MMO before unsubbing, and then come back before the next expansion lol

got my BIS on NIN and BRD. did a little bit of TEA prog/ Got to phase 2... and then quit

[lusty marsh]

(Also a war on ff)

[open monolith]

I blame my daughter who was 4 months old at the time and wasn't respecting my need to sleep after staying up all night raiding

[limpid burrow]

so as kyrian what soulbind dude i should be using raid/m+

[open monolith]

Pelagos

[plush tendon]

Pelagos

[uneven mason]

Pepegos

[plush tendon]

The others are kind of... meh?

[lusty marsh]

I hate gathering the spear orbs though.

[plush tendon]

as far as I understood

[open monolith]

Kleia gives 5% crit.

which is nice.

[uneven mason]

swolkin can make things interesting with knockbacks

[open monolith]

but Pelagos mastery + magic damage reduction is.. more nice

[lusty marsh]

Give em the clamps!

[hallow coyote]

How is prot warrior acting on m+ after buffs?

[plush tendon]

I dont have to care anymore. Rocking with the bonesmith now 😛

[lusty marsh]

The same but better

[signal plover]

Acting like fools

[modern snow]

imagine not rocking with the queen herself

emeni

[plush tendon]

I also dont think I would go back Kyrian if I decide Necro aint for me; Night Fae seems to be something I would prefer

[signal plover]

Furry

[open monolith]

NF may be more damage, but I strongly prefer a 1 minute cooldown to a 2 minute CD

idk why that makes a difference for me, but it does

consistency, I suppose

[uneven mason]

1.3min CD

[open monolith]

wat

[uneven mason]

its not 2min

[plush tendon]

I agree with you Sock, reason my DK is Venthyr over Necro, but war Night Fae is 1.3

[surreal sinew]

if you're vent you have no cd

[signal plover]

Ahh yes, the strangest CD timer in wow

[surreal sinew]

😄

[open monolith]

oh is it? thought it was 2

[glacial skiff]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5CuN8oS7noLWNaUwVt4X2e

this can't be right, can it?

[open monolith]

no, it can't

[uneven mason]

Its 1.5 but the conduit reduces it by a silly amount

so it endsup being like 1min 20s

[glacial skiff]

says tclap conduit is basically less dps than mortal combo? lmao

[plush tendon]

Potency Conduits for Pro War kind of sus

[lusty marsh]

Considering we don't have mortal strike I find that unlikely

[uneven mason]

Tclap conduit is less dps than just weeping over our potency options

[open monolith]

all conduits for prot war kind of suck

[signal plover]

Excuse you we have a 2% leech conduit ok

Obviously very stronk

[lusty marsh]

Spear+ashen is my goto atm

[strong forum]

What am I supposed to see

[open monolith]

I mean, all of our conduits AND legendaries used to be a meme (relative to other classes)

at least we have Reprisal now

[surreal sinew]

no other class has the leaper

[strong forum]

I guess you simmed it kinda funky

[signal plover]

No other class has leap

[uneven mason]

1min parse on 5 targets while including all raid buffs? 10k seems low

[signal plover]

Well I guess DH

[surreal sinew]

priest too now with the reverse lof lego

[open monolith]

that said patchwerk

[strong forum]

He's simming conduits aswell and he's venthyr, and it just doesn't work it seems

[signal plover]

Too bad DH leap is better than leaper on the base ability

[surreal sinew]

yeah 😦

[signal plover]

And it farts out big dam

(with a talent but yeh)

[vague jetty]

I mean why should they homogenize specs?

[uneven mason]

they shouldn't

[signal plover]

They shouldn't just talking bout leaps

[upbeat needle]

235 thunderlord to 190 reprisal, would it even be worth it?

[uneven mason]

yes

[open monolith]

"hey let's give Demon Hunter the same leap as warrior"
Okay!
"... but a lower cooldown"
....o...oka-
"-and two charges"
....................okay

[uneven mason]

and have it crap nukes when it lands

[glacial skiff]

yeah idk

anyway, is it safe to still run stormbolt in keys or is double time just too goood?

[uneven mason]

SB if you don't feel your DPS/healer is up to the task of catching casts

DT if you wanna have fun

[glacial skiff]

well, i usually pug keys....

[floral pewter]

stormbolt is too good, Double Time is nice but not important

[glacial skiff]

so stombolt it is D:

i mean, with reprisal that extra 20 rage, revenge, and shield block is kinda amazing

plus with disturbing the peace my shockwave cd is 32s so not bad

gonna be weird leaning heavily into shield wall vs last stand now, but i guess it makes sense

[strong forum]

I can hardly find the time to use my regular charge

Imagine trying to charge twice

😰

[brittle owl]

pfsh

boomer complaining he can't zoom

[strong forum]

More like

No need

Cuz big haste

[plush tendon]

need that second charge to double pull, charge into first pack, revenge, charge second pack, revenge, intervene back, revenge

EZ gains

[strong forum]

If you try to keep charge rolling you're gonna end up kiting more than dealing damage

[brittle owl]

that sounds like a "motion in the ocean" kindof thing to say

[strong forum]

1 charge too many, SB not used =value lost

[plush tendon]

yea, but I zoomed

[brittle owl]

^

this guy gets it

[strong forum]

Zoomed and lost

[glacial skiff]

can we face tank pmuch eveything now?

[strong forum]

Smh

[woven trellis]

if u go necrolords, u go enemi?

[strong forum]

Well... Depends on the mobs you're facing kek

[brittle owl]

nothing changed as far as face tanking?

[glacial skiff]

because i only really needed to kite with sb down and i have kinda shit gear

or when dps sucks and i need to outrange casts lmao

[plush tendon]

enemi or bonesmith

[strong forum]

You'll still need to kite the same packs you needed to kite before, dot heavy packs, DoS skellies

Bears in hoa

[limpid burrow]

is there any boss where reprisal is better than wall in raid

[strong forum]

But regular mobs you never have to kite

If you play well

[glacial skiff]

if your dps is smart they'd just stun the beast masters while they cast whatever that empowers them lol

something beasts

thats what i do anywya

[strong forum]

I'd say specifically slg and dena, prolly Council too

Huntsman and inerva aswell if you can time it well

Pretty sure you can play reprisal on every boss for dem dmg gains

But it's gonna take a bit more effort

[glacial skiff]

at this point i kinda think they intended on the 6s buff

or someone at blizz is unable to adjust the proc to 4s lmao

[strong forum]

Don't yell too loud

Reprisal says it grants shieldblock

Not that it grants shieldblock for X duration

That's why it's not adjusted

[glacial skiff]

yeah, thats why i think it's intended

or hope

[strong forum]

Watch them nerf SB duration to 4sec

[woven trellis]

so you guys dont play double charge?

[strong forum]

Period

I don't.

In raid I will

But not m+

[glacial skiff]

see i kinda wanna run double just for the dps

but i guess it makes more sense to run SB since prot warrior dps is just ok

[shut summit]

Yea only swapped back to wall for sludgefist out of first 8, charging is possible just too annoying

[glacial skiff]

uhh yeah sludge is sketchy when charging

[lusty marsh]

Charging annoying on sludge?

[shut summit]

Gonna try reprisal on last 2 in next raid and see how it goes, prolly super fine on SLG, denath will see

[glacial skiff]

im progging it still and can do it, but have broke chains once or twice lmao

[brittle owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAUK9hVgmNI

[uneven mason]

on mythic you're chained to the other tank, so if they're a sloth, it can be

[lusty marsh]

Yeah, we had this convo earlier.

[glacial skiff]

you only have like 2 yards or something to play around with charge without snapping chains

its just not worth it on sludge

[uneven mason]

not worth the risk imo

[glacial skiff]

however, can intervene

but thats another whole set of potential problems lol

[lusty marsh]

I don't see it being that risky on roars, but certainly any other time.

[uneven mason]

have your cotank macro /cancelaura intervene to everything

run safeguard, yay benefit?

[lusty marsh]

Pretty sure safeguard is tied the the buff.

[uneven mason]

iirc it has its own buff

[sweet summit]

Its 100% worth to learn to charge on sludge

[versed kite]

So did prot get much buffs? Whats the current bis Legendary for prot in M+? Reprisal still?

I just started prot so im curious what legendary to get first

[glacial skiff]

while not chained, sure. but trusting your chain partner to not get you killed..... ha

[dark lark]

The Reprisal rework along with 10% damage aura buff are our biggest buffs

[versed kite]

so reprisal defnitely bis?

[sweet summit]

Yeas

[versed kite]

Legs/feet?

legs right

[dark lark]

I went legs

[versed kite]

k

[sweet summit]

The wall still has uses, but id craft reprisal first

[versed kite]

ty

[bleak badge]

Thunderlord not even mentioned

[versed kite]

haste vers?

[sweet summit]

Yes

[bleak badge]

And thunderclap was buffed by a lot

[uneven mason]

TL Been dead since they capped it and halved the benefit

[sweet summit]

Thunderlord doesnt have any insane synergy with thunderclap

[bleak badge]

Still not enough to make the good ol unstoppable force playstyle viable?

[sweet summit]

Unfortunately its still garbage

[glacial skiff]

yup, Thunderlord just made demo shout feel like bfa's demo shout

but it didn't feel very impactful in keys

and basically useless in raid

[sweet summit]

I wanna see if i can game UF somehow this weekend

[glacial skiff]

it might be worthwhile IF 2 legendaries are usable later

[sweet summit]

But i doubt it

[glacial skiff]

but imo shield wall leggo may be better if that happens

either party shield wall, or the wall

[bleak badge]

Yeah the wall + party wall

[sweet summit]

UW bad

[bleak badge]

Insane

[sweet summit]

Stop

:(

[glacial skiff]

i think party wall+reprisal would be the play

[lusty marsh]

Wait is seismic not the brain dead answer for 2nd Lego once we have access?

[uneven mason]

it would be

Reprisal + seismic in keys for 2lego

[glacial skiff]

no, it's strictly dps

nope

[uneven mason]

dead things can't hurt you

[bleak badge]

Imagine shield wall up for every pull

[glacial skiff]

if they allow 2 legendaries content will scale to match that

[uneven mason]

I was running with the wall

[sweet summit]

Id guess reprisal+the wall

[glacial skiff]

you'd likely want a second defensive to match

[lusty marsh]

Imagine being a competative with dh dps

[uneven mason]

TFW DHs would run their brand + sigil legos

and do 4x their current damage

[strong forum]

Na

[uneven mason]

3.5x?

[strong forum]

Sigil Lego is like a 3% dmg increase

[bleak badge]

Sigil isnt a x4 dps increase lmao

[bleak badge]

^

[strong forum]

In beta it would triple your dps

But then they fixed it

[lusty marsh]

Do we have any idea what the timeline for 9.1 is?

[bleak badge]

No

[dark lark]

Some speculation on it being May

But that's all it is, speculation

[sweet summit]

May/june i guess

[strong forum]

May is too early

[bleak badge]

More like june

[lusty marsh]

Damn

I guess it gives me time to farm out path of ascension.

[gloomy seal]

What should you put Reprisal on? Legs?

[sweet summit]

Yes

Haste vers

[grand spruce]

between a 200 scale, a 226 quatum and a 220 field emitter, what would be a good combo of trinkets?

[solemn magnet]

Scale / field

[sturdy trench]

any1 knows how often we can swap covenants?

[strong forum]

Infinite times

[floral pewter]

it takes 2 consecutive weekly quests to swap back to one you have previously left

you can sort of cheese that by starting it on Monday, doing the first, then doing the second on Tuesday

but then you're stuck until at least the following reset

[tired hawk]

Hello ! I had a question guys, I'm actually hesitating on how to spend my valor points. I've my trinket 210 (DOS one, don't know the english name sry) and my main hand is 216 ilvl with shit stats (crit mast). Should I still upgrade trinket first, or I should upgrade my 210 weapon haste vers ?

[crystal turret]

So if I go with reprisal, does choosing BSC > UF > AM become the better choices?

[sweet summit]

Is it blood splattered scale? How good is your shield?

BSC+Ravager+AM

[tired hawk]

226 shield crit vers, and yes it's blood splattered scale

[sweet summit]

Alright. Scale defensively, weapon offensively

What do you weigh as more important to you right now?

[tired hawk]

I didn't understand the question

I'm not english sorry lol

[uneven mason]

Weapon for DPS, Scale for 🛡️

[tired hawk]

I understood that

[sweet summit]

Whats more important in your eyes

[tired hawk]

But I think I'll go for big dmg

[uneven mason]

Do you feel you need more damage

or more defense

[sweet summit]

Dps or tanky

[tired hawk]

Well I'm tanky enough actually I think

[uneven mason]

This guy gets it

[sweet summit]

Then go get that big weapon

[crystal turret]

For me always more dps lol

[tired hawk]

The thing is, I'm pissed off with my stats

[crystal turret]

I’m a tank I have dr cds I don’t need defensive trinks 😛

Kill it before it kills me!

[tired hawk]

I've shit stats like :
14% crit
21% haste
21% mast
16% vers

[crystal turret]

You’re funny, that’s a nice spread of stats

[tired hawk]

is it ? I see some (big) tanks having like 23% haste 23% vers

[crystal turret]

They probably farmed some pvp gear. But you’re stats are looking good

Always gonna be a bigger badder wolf out their. Doesn’t mean you aren’t a big wolf

[tired hawk]

Hmm maybe I should stop bother about stats

I'm bigger than em, I'm a Tauren

[silver trout]

mmmmm picked up an upgradable Anima Field Emitter last night, so good

now I just gotta get KSM so I can get it to 220 😂

[paper garden]

my stats I know need some work... feel like I need to get rid of some mastery, in exchange for vers.
10% Crit, 24% Haste, 22% Mastery, 13% Versa.

though with anima field proc and into fray talent, haste jumps up to 40%

[crystal turret]

What’s the best combo of trinks? Blood scale/ field emitter?

[silver trout]

that's not too bad I don't think, I have close to 18% crit and like 36% mastery or something stupid like that

it feels awful with only 14% haste

[tired hawk]

Can we link our sim here ?

or it's forbidden ?

[jagged pier]

can do

[tired hawk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3vjVZJzoXAChbRZe4vp5u
Would you craft reprisal on boots or legs with that gear ? (I've shoulders 210 haste/mast to replace the wall)

[jagged pier]

legs

[vague jetty]

Depends if you can get stone legion legs on mythic

[tired hawk]

not raiding at all

I doubt I can pug this

[woeful trellis]

anyone have a rage bar wa for me, only bar? 🙂

[dense flame]

I wish I could get SK trinket and DOS. Shit never drops for me

[broken horizon]

hey guys, just started leveling my Prot-Warrior for M+. What Covenant would u pick for M+ right now, with the recent buffs to Necrolord? Is Kyrian still the best?

[jagged pier]

[woeful trellis]

guys anyone fps drops / mini laggs since patch

[ocean bloom]

Anyone have a vod or video of someone using reprisal on sludge

Mythic pref

[jagged pier]

well as 2 ppl have done it this week i dont think so

with repirsal that is

[rich ember]

With reprisal is it even worth going anger management? You'd rather go HR or bolster, right?

[deep steppe]

you want AM

[jagged pier]

no? because u dont need the block

can give 100% in raid on its own

[deep steppe]

AM = more avatar which = more Dam

[crisp dragon]

[open monolith]

You know what doesn't have me motivated to play? Knowing that I both need to grind valor and re-grind the chase items I already have in order to upgrade stuff to 220.

[chilly brook]

I gotta get the 2h from mists and the trinket from PF

[open monolith]

honestly like... had they let us upgrade gear we already had, I would be grinding my balls off for Valor

[vale fable]

I recently swapped to Reprisal + Double Time for M+. I really like it. For bigger mobs I can shockwave and strafe off of them to get range for another charge. The charge range really isn't that large. The Reprisal buff has significantly helped my mitigation because I'm smooth brained and get caught up in aggro control rather than Defensive CDs sometimes.

[open monolith]

somehow this implementation has had the opposite effect, I'm playing less.

[misty timber]

Man I got lucky and got a new dos trinket last night when running a friend through.... m0. Got super excited until I did the math and it’s probably like 1/4 of all valor this tier to get to 220

[open monolith]

yeah not scaling the upgrades by item level like anima is also a huge turn off. Blizzard is so completely out of touch.

[sterile moss]

can you even upgrade an m0 item?

[chilly brook]

Tbh double charge isn't as useful as stormbolt imho

[misty timber]

(I only do 11-12 atm so I’m probably the target audience for grinding valor)

[open monolith]

at least Monster Hunter Rise comes out soon so I can let my sub lapse and not feel bored 😄

[misty timber]

You can m0 is rank 1/12

[chilly brook]

You get CE already?

[sterile moss]

ah good to know

[twilit jay]

i keep stormbolt i just use it way to much in pugs

[open monolith]

Nah, I'm just a lowly AOTC boy. My guild has neither the roster nor the skill for mythic raiding, and I don't have time to dedicate to that.

[chilly brook]

Even in coordinated groups more control is huge

[chilly brook]

Ah RIP, I wanna die on council rn

[deep steppe]

Eyyyy lowly AOTC bois for lyfe

[sterile moss]

just shimmy right

[deep steppe]

at best I'll get like 5 or 6/10 by 9.1 🙃

[open monolith]

I'm pretty sure that I have the personal skill to get CE, but most guilds don't raid on days or times that I'm available, and honestly... I just don't want to take WoW that seriously.

[strong forum]

Wall + AM is recommended for Sludge, not reprisal

[royal geyser]

Looking for a bit of clarification here. Every Prot warrior guide, including the FAQ here, simultaneously says, "prot has mediocre damage" and "prot has extremely high damage". I'm assuming this means it is kind of like Guardian druid which does great damage with CDs and very low damage without?

[open monolith]

prot has good aoe damage and piss poor single target damage.

prot also has to CHOOSE: mitigation or damage.

[vestal moat]

Prot has mediocre damage is correct.

[open monolith]

Prot is the Survival Hunter of tank damage

[chilly brook]

We got nice burst with CDs

[vestal moat]

Meaning average or slightlky below if that's how you interpret mediocre. we are currently above BDK only.

[chilly brook]

[ionic fern]

Ngl, i surprised like 5 pug's yesterday with my AA/Ravager/BSC Revenge spam.

[open monolith]

our m+ damage is solid

[chilly brook]

You went NF? Pogggggggggggggggg

[sterile moss]

[ionic fern]

Yesh.

[open monolith]

[ionic fern]

Wanted a gameplay change for a while.

[chilly brook]

Poggies

[ionic fern]

And i'm dworf anyways.

[chilly brook]

I'm telling you

[ionic fern]

So i already have a built in phial.

[chilly brook]

AA>spear

[open monolith]

Dwarf has no reason to not go NF, honestly.

"but phial!" loses all of its argument for dwarf lol

but being a dwarf requires 2 things:

being a dwarf

and being alliance

[ionic fern]

Well..i enjoyed having double cleanses. 😦

It was stupid strong in some situations.

Tho those situations could be avoided by a bit more defensive play.

😂

[chilly brook]

Now you get to enjoy saying "ha you dont get to cast for 12 seconds"

[feral palm]

Prot feels so boring, so much downtime...

[deep steppe]

no defense, only

[ionic fern]

Are we playing the same prot?

[chilly brook]

Says you lmao

[open monolith]

prot doesn't have that much downtime.. wat?

do you have like 6% haste?

[chilly brook]

So much downtime bruv

Yet top apm in my raid

[outer solstice]

[deep steppe]

I was just gonna make this comment lmao

[outer solstice]

Shadows beat me in apm...

[open monolith]

post logs so we can see your timeline to identify why you have so much downtime

any class has lots of downtime when you don't press your buttons

[ionic fern]

This was from a dungeon i did yesterday.

[misty timber]

It might be low haste too. Prot feels pretty bad very low haste ^

[ionic fern]

Guess which is me.

😂

[deep steppe]

31.5

[open monolith]

"C"PM

[ionic fern]

😂

[open monolith]

Cucks per minute?

[open monolith]

"Cactions" per minute?

"Cexecutables" per minute?

[sweet summit]

Illegal squish hack padding cpm like sense i bet!

[open monolith]

"Cutton-presses" per minute?

seriously wtf is the c

[strong forum]

Cocks per minute

[sweet summit]

Casts

[strong forum]

Erga cocks

[smoky wave]

Check-the-pins per minute

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

Eyir cocks

[gilded tendon]

[chilly brook]

Casts per minute

[strong forum]

See it works

[open monolith]

Casts. not what I would have guessed.

dumb.

damn that poor guy. Comes in here talking about how one of the highest APM classes is slow

gets shit on

disappears

[frank lake]

So everyone here is saying to take reprisal, but if I only want to tank for mythic+ should I take thunderlord like the wowhead guide says?

[open monolith]

[strong forum]

Reprisal

[chilly brook]

No

Reprisal

[strong forum]

Wowhead 9.0.5 guide literally says play reprisal

[hot nimbus]

Reprisal feels fuggin goood

[frank lake]

Not if you got mythic+ section

[glacial flint]

what ur playing as prot-ventyr with new legendary currently ?

[frank lake]

It does if you goto legendaries

[sweet summit]

Unnerving>BV

Rest is fine

[chilly brook]

Ravager

[sweet summit]

O ya didnt see that

[chilly brook]

Not UF

[lavish oracle]

I like bounding with reprisal

[open monolith]

wtf why is it worded that way? only if you want fallback options?

The wall is great for raid and some dungeons, not JUST as fallback

[lavish oracle]

Easier to get out to charge

[craggy pilot]

Reprisal just that good tho lol

[chilly brook]

I mean I could think of a few fights in raid where The Wall is better

[open monolith]

whatever, WoWhead guides are a meme 99% of the time anyway

[craggy pilot]

ye in Raid

but not in M+

[chilly brook]

DoS

[craggy pilot]

how so?

[open monolith]

Spires maybe?

tons of magic damage.

[deep steppe]

[craggy pilot]

ahh

[chilly brook]

DoS is tons of non blockable damage

[lavish oracle]

I mean, you have 2 min shield wall with AM anyways

[craggy pilot]

just use IP 😄

[deep steppe]

just dodge it 4head

[craggy pilot]

10head

[sweet summit]

What is IP i only know revenge and condemn

[deep steppe]

[deep steppe]

realistically you can probably just not craft TL if you havent

[open monolith]

remember, the best guide for any class isn't wowhead or icy veins

It's the Pins in the discord for your spec

[frank lake]

I'm holding onto the soul ash atm, don't want to rush

[open monolith]

if m+ is your primary thing, get Reprisal

[craggy pilot]

feels bad having The Wall 235, and now not using it 😦

[deep steppe]

Reprisal and The Wall should be the only 2 legos you need if nothing changes

[open monolith]

no reason to hold it.

[chilly brook]

I've never once used TL

[craggy pilot]

and i also have ThunderClap 210 leggo 😦

[chilly brook]

Outside of trying it after crafting The Wall

[open monolith]

500 IQ warriors have Wall, TL, and Reprisal all at 235

[craggy pilot]

damn i wanna be able to scrap them for some of the Ash back

[deep steppe]

[open monolith]

I do, anyway

guess I'm 500iq

[uneven mason]

having TL at all reduces your IQ by 9000

[frank lake]

Ok reprisal it is, I needed boots as it is

[craggy pilot]

you think i dont do Arms as 500IQ warr 😄

[open monolith]

playing warrior as a dps spec

lole

get behind your shield and stop pretending like anyone cares about arms or fury

[patent osprey]

Reprisal talents ^.^

[open monolith]

🙂

[chilly brook]

I'm just a lowly Fury boy now

[craggy pilot]

to be fair Warrior is shit in any PvE content right now

[chilly brook]

Not true

[craggy pilot]

M+ Warr is kinda poopie

[chilly brook]

Fury is a legit a tier m+ spec

[open monolith]

yeah wtf

[modern snow]

Fury is one of the best m+ specs

[open monolith]

Fury is amazing, so is prot at the moment

[modern snow]

??? xd

prot is also climbing

[craggy pilot]

hm

[sweet summit]

Melee specs*

[craggy pilot]

dont like Carpal spec 😦

[open monolith]

Survival is the true King of m+

[glacial flint]

ill dont feel that ravenger yet. already so many GCDs to press for a big pull ^^

[modern snow]

Yes, melee, sorry. Alot of ranged specs are superior.

[uneven mason]

TFW Prot is crazy good in raids and stronk in M+ outside of obscenely high keys

[open monolith]

SO MUCH UNCAPPED AOE

[twilit jay]

yeah i think ppl be sleeping on the reprisal change are about to see taht we are best tanks

[open monolith]

nobody is sleeping on the reprisal change

[uneven mason]

Guardian druids would disagree about "Best"

[chilly brook]

Unless meta changes for dps we wont be the best tanks

[craggy pilot]

is dmg what makes a tank good in M+ tho?

[modern snow]

Idd i kindof struggle with ravager, considering to run ITF maybe?

[open monolith]

yes

if all tanks are able to survive all content, then the tank with the most damage / utility will be the best.

[uneven mason]

frequent reuse of CDs and ability to maintain aggro outside of melee

[open monolith]

That has been, and always will be, true

[modern snow]

idd

[chilly brook]

It's kinda hard to compete with DH for "best tank" when meta is spell cleave

[solemn magnet]

Those aren't the ones @ionic fern recommended.

someone post the ss plz

[ionic fern]

N o.

[deep steppe]

[glacial flint]

check my idea 7min ago post image 😛

[frank lake]

Blood dk does some insane dps now as well

[craggy pilot]

thought the power from tanking came from survivability, which is currently DH because of kite

[modern snow]

i'll have a look

[open monolith]

Mwahi just makes the icy veins guide because someone has to.

Don't expect any guide to be updated 100% of the time

[patent osprey]

IF I STREAM TONIGHT! ILL USE @ionic fern TALENTS OK!

[strong forum]

Don't play UF

[open monolith]

nobody is getting paid to do it

[twilit jay]

i dunno at what point would ITF generate more rage over ravager

[ionic fern]

Ping me please. I wanna see.

[craggy pilot]

how so? what changed?

[signal plover]

They're more bloody

[uneven mason]

bloodboil is uncapped in theory

[glacial flint]

thunderclap 10% buff + "show the force"-conduit + "unstoppable force"-talent is my idea atm.

[lavish oracle]

Wait, does Necro stay on the 2 closest targets from when it was cast?

[chilly brook]

They still have that, but they also actively make your group better because the meta is spell cleave

[frank lake]

I don't play the class but run with one who is around 5k and said the patch made them much stronger

[open monolith]

You know what feels real good? Being a 198 Survival Hunter and beating 205-210 MM hunters in overall in m+ because their legendary got bug-fixed and my uncapped AOE actually shits on them.

[twilit jay]

i am running show of force as well, feels good

[craggy pilot]

hmm ill check the DK leggo patch notes

[uneven mason]

CRW and Gorefiends got sizeable buffs, in M+ you can have crazy high uptime on DRW

[modern snow]

I will try this right now.

[signal plover]

Ew UF

[twilit jay]

seeing some really good numbers in pulls with it

[strong forum]

UF is only equal to ravager dmg but is less rage and fucks your rotation

[craggy pilot]

prior to patch, all DK Legendaries were so poo, that you just went the disease one

[strong forum]

During avatar you will likely end up capping rage, finding yourself having to spend rage on IP more than you'd like, missing out on revenge casts

[frank lake]

We had one of our unholy dks switch to fulltime blood now

[strong forum]

When playing UF

[frank lake]

He loves it

[lusty trail]

if i want to tank m+, is reprisal the best now?

[strong forum]

Yes

[deep steppe]

yes,

[open monolith]

[modern snow]

Would ITF be better than UF in that case, if you don't quite enjoy ravager?

[craggy pilot]

hmm, might revisit Blood DK then 🙂

[frank lake]

Not the wowhead mythic+ section!

[open monolith]

Stormy your best choice in the case is to learn to quite enjoy ravager

[strong forum]

Itf is a decent dmg loss in aoe compared to ravager

[modern snow]

shiiid

[open monolith]

why would you not like ravager

[deep steppe]

you can also throw rav first and then charge in, idk if you're doing that but

[open monolith]

it feels good to press. the damage is nutty. the sound effect is great

the visual is great

??

[craggy pilot]

@frank lake looks like the goto Blood DK leggo is still Superstrain tho, so not sure what happened to make them stronger 😄

[modern snow]

not a bad idea, i'll try to use it prepull

[ionic fern]

Ravager is just shoot and forget while enjoying the rage to spam Revenges.

[strong forum]

Also 40yards range

Good to pull packs

[tardy osprey]

when did this happen? I thought their DPS was low

[strong forum]

And good for aggro

[deep steppe]

it does move slowly so it'll eventually track back to you if the pack pulls

[open monolith]

it will stop moving after the mobs get out of a certain range of it

[modern snow]

IT MOVES?

[open monolith]

idk what that range is, but i've definitely seen it give up

[deep steppe]

si

[open monolith]

it moves toward the closest pack

[deep steppe]

Rav is big pog

[modern snow]

this changes everything

[strong forum]

Ravager tries to hit the closest enemy and stay within range

Obv has limitations on range of that

It won't pull smth you don't want pulled

Unless you throw it literally right next to it

[deep steppe]

yeah its not a ranged dps

[strong forum]

This

[vocal viper]

AM or Bolster this week? Having bad luck with groups evenly killing stuff 😑

[open monolith]

AM if you have reprisal

[deep steppe]

AM with reprisal, Bolster if Wall

[open monolith]

Bolster if you don't.

[vocal viper]

Awesome thanks Dan

[open monolith]

Also it's Tyrannical week which is free-for-tanks-week

[strong forum]

Always AM now with reprisal

Accept the dmg

[timber lagoon]

So much avatar

[strong forum]

Accept the block uptime

Embrace glory

[timber lagoon]

[craggy pilot]

lets say you were a Meta breaking ass, and wanted to go TC build, how much worse would you be off? and would it be with The Wall or Thunderlord?

[strong forum]

Reprisal still

[open monolith]

By Meta-breaking, did you mean Meta-ignoring?

[strong forum]

UF is playable

[craggy pilot]

yes 😄

[open monolith]

because you're not BREAKING anything, you're just playin suboptimally

[chilly brook]

Cant break the meta if it's worse

[strong forum]

But just slightly worse

[chilly brook]

[strong forum]

You'll be fine

[vocal viper]

Cant make rank 4 this week, rip

[craggy pilot]

like im a Kyrian Arms Warr in raid

i alrdy ignore 90% of the meta 😄

[strong forum]

Damn.

[open monolith]

imagine not having rank 4 Reprisal day 1 of 9.0.5

[craggy pilot]

😦

[vocal viper]

Ouch

[strong forum]

Same

Imagine

[craggy pilot]

if only we could scrap leggos and get back 50% of ash

[open monolith]

fools. All of you

[strong forum]

Not

[craggy pilot]

i remember Booming + UF + Crackling being the play in some Xpac when i tanked, when was that? Early BFA or some shit?

[strong forum]

All of bfa

[solemn magnet]

Day 2, cuz torghast was busted

[craggy pilot]

hmm had someone say BFA was Revenge spam as well 🤔

[strong forum]

No

[modern snow]

avatar clap spam in bfa

[strong forum]

Revenge had 3sec CD in bfa

[modern snow]

you ignored revenge basically

[craggy pilot]

i guess im just way too used to that shit then 😄

clap spam rotation so easy tho

[open monolith]

I didn't even need to run torghast on day 9.0.5. I had 5150 saved up lol. Had 3 rank 4 legendaries the moment the servers went live.

[craggy pilot]

because its free

[uneven mason]

BFA was 👢 🍵 👏

[strong forum]

Same

[modern snow]

[strong forum]

Current rotation is better

[craggy pilot]

what is rotation in a M+ scenario then?

[open monolith]

i just wish Revenge had... a better SOUND to it. I don't ever feel like i do anything when I press revenge

[craggy pilot]

Charge + Shield Block + Shield Slam + Intervene on CD

and then spam rage into Revenge?

[twilit jay]

i do charge, devastate, t clap

squeeze SB in there cuz its off global

[craggy pilot]

and TClap last as filler

[ionic fern]

Playing with sound??

[strong forum]

Get CDs rolling on charge, block, intervene, SS, TC avatar, spear and ravager

[uneven mason]

charge SS Revengex10000

[craggy pilot]

lol u play with sound? 😮

[strong forum]

SB

[twilit jay]

and stacks, on top of the SB from your charge so 0 lost time

[distant crystal]

imagine playing warrior and not hearing "not enough rage" constantly

[strong forum]

Bad opener

[distant crystal]

immersion ruined

"I need more rage!"

[ionic fern]

Why do you Devasate? It provides nothing.

[strong forum]

Ideally you would want to open with Intervene-charge+avatar+sb-revenge-tc

[timber nest]

I see a lot of people using the second soul info now instead of Pelagos. Is it just preference or is sh better?

[twilit jay]

its free

[ionic fern]

??

[chilly brook]

Yes contrary to popular belief, sound is actually quite useful

[strong forum]

??

[craggy pilot]

i dont get people who dont run Devastator

[ionic fern]

And it's also useless.

[craggy pilot]

using Devastate is such a bad button to pres

it just feels horrible

fucking the raid warr in my guild uses Punish

and i wanna cry

when i see it

[timber lagoon]

Doesn't intervene then charge waste a free revenge from reprisal?

[distant crystal]

people really hate autoing waiting for resources

[strong forum]

Kleia Sims higher now

[strong forum]

Sure but do you wanna intervene back out mid combat?

[distant crystal]

why a lot of ppl don't run felblade/demonblade even if it sims better

[strong forum]

I don't have melee dps with me

[uneven mason]

TFW devastate is less RPS than devastator?

[strong forum]

Only ranged

So I can't intervene a melee

[timber lagoon]

Aahh rip

[ionic fern]

I got a paladin healer in m+. Feels good.

[strong forum]

Cuz imagine playing a melee dps in 2021

[craggy pilot]

how does Kleia sim higher?

what setup?

[uneven mason]

☝️

[strong forum]

Perma 5% crit

[craggy pilot]

i have like this

isnt the crit pretty low range actually?

10yrds or so?

[strong forum]

Yeah so?

It counts allies

In raid you always have like 300 pets and melee

For perma stacks

[craggy pilot]

ohhhh it counts enemy

im dumb

thought its only allies 😄

[ionic fern]

Tho intervening with Storming be like

[craggy pilot]

but i meant for M+

[strong forum]

Bro dont

[ionic fern]

😂

[strong forum]

Storming is dogshit

It hits for 10k how the fuck is that fair

[craggy pilot]

my guild raid tanks talents 😢

[ionic fern]

Big

Brain

[strong forum]

What

In the f

[sweet summit]

AAAAAAAAAA

[ionic fern]

I wanna hear the reasoning behind that.

[craggy pilot]

i tried to tell

but they get mad at me

[ionic fern]

Just to see why he thinks those are good.

[craggy pilot]

for trying to teach meta

and hes using The Wall

[strong forum]

"you just don't understand my playstyle"

[craggy pilot]

but he told me he nearly never uses Shield Wall

[strong forum]

Heard that one a million times

[craggy pilot]

he just wanted it for +5 rage on Slam

[ionic fern]

[deep steppe]

what difficulty are you on?

[sturdy sable]

Good enough reason to put on the wall I guess

[craggy pilot]

we just cleared HC this monday

we not planning on doing Mythic

[sweet summit]

Grats

[deep steppe]

pog, grats on AOTC

[craggy pilot]

tx

95 pulls, and i was crying every single one

[chilly brook]

So hes just a casual

[uneven mason]

93 pulls, and sire wipes are almost never due to tanks 😛

[chilly brook]

Dont feel so bad

[craggy pilot]

im top 3 dps as Kyrian Arms Warr 😄

[uneven mason]

Arms pumps on Sire

so

[chilly brook]

Sire actually takes a lot of pulls in heroic

[craggy pilot]

well if u look logs, im #2 on avg in my guild on all bosses 😄

[chilly brook]

I think we did like 60 before killing

As a mythic guild

[craggy pilot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guild/rankings/113610/latest/#difficulty=4&partition=1
dont look at that Sire 70 log tho 😉

[uneven mason]

Legit one shot him lastnight after spending 2 weeks wiping to him, finally getting him down, taking 21 pulls for our 2nd kill, then lastnight our 3rd was like melted butter on a metal slide in summer

he just went down

[craggy pilot]

brb

[uneven mason]

The fight is super fast paced

[chilly brook]

Heroic sire is basically just a mythic boss

[strong forum]

"you just don't understand my playstyle"

[uneven mason]

its a ton going on back to back to back

[sturdy trench]

a bit strange to me how some ppl are progressing heroic

[uneven mason]

and you can screw yourself with bad timing on Cresendo

[amber herald]

our HC sire finished with literally everyone in the raid dead

only killed it because of the necro armour cheat death

[strong forum]

Everybody plays the game at their own speed, that's perfectly fine @sturdy trench

Not everybody actually puts effort into playing properly

[uneven mason]

Or understands that they're not playing properly until someone points it out to them and helps them up their game

[distant crystal]

Yeah but with devestate you always have a button to push

[uneven mason]

which is where I'm at

[distant crystal]

that's big value for some people's sanity

[median tulip]

Last week my guild's Xy'mox kill was one guy in Necrolord cheat death and the killing blow from one of the tanks exploding due to Draven

[plush tendon]

I do enjoy carpel tunnel

[sweet summit]

Waat 233 weap pfp when

[plush tendon]

and smashing my head on the keyboard

[distant crystal]

@sweet summit Soon™

[uneven mason]

If I had 20 people who played like the 8 or so core members of my raid we'd be pushing on Mythic sire atm

but I have 8 people who play like the 8 core members

[sweet summit]

Poog

[distant crystal]

tho tbh, without titanforging existing a 233 weap PFP wouldn't really fit the spirit

it needs to be unearned

[uneven mason]

so the other 12 kind've have to be propped up and "taught" to put more effort into it

[amber herald]

lmao

always feels like you didn't really kill the boss on those kinds of kills though

[uneven mason]

Literally had an alt Lady D HC turn out like this 2 weeks ago

[median tulip]

Gotta remember that fully half of the player base never even enters Mythic Dungeons

[uneven mason]

got the kill due to the DKs armor being alive

[distant crystal]

never forget

[tame jasper]

What's wrong on punish for raid to reduce bosses damaghe?

[sweet summit]

Ancient skyhold lore

[uneven mason]

Yeah, working on that too, most of the people who are behind the curve are also the ones who have less than 300 raider.io

[strong forum]

Cuz it's less dmg and less rage than devastator

[uneven mason]

with valor out I'm going to drag them kicking and screaming into +10s at least

hoping they gain enough comfort to push on keys every week themselves.

[tame jasper]

Hm okay

thankls

[chilly brook]

Less rage which means less reduction because less IPs and less indom

[tame jasper]

as we are close to our HC sire kill and most probaly with try shriekwing Mythic after that - the only mechanic which changes is the lantern so no change fo rtanks?

[chilly brook]

And you really normally dont need the DR from punish

[tame jasper]

Yeah got the result of having more rage 🙂

[uneven mason]

You gain more mitigation by using your RPS gain and hitting IP/cycling AM for SW uses..

[proper thunder]

I'm 1300-ish r.io but don't have curve because I'm in a guild that takes it a way way slower pace. 🙂

[uneven mason]

only 1000 myself

[brittle owl]

ok

[uneven mason]

but

[brittle owl]

u suk

[uneven mason]

thats from sheer lazyness

[sweet summit]

No u

[brittle owl]

@uneven mason

actually bad

[chilly brook]

Basically the same for us in mythic yes

[tame jasper]

I still working on my 15er keys (only have SoA) 😦

[brittle owl]

@sweet summit

[proper thunder]

I need ToP and SD

Which are just lovely this week

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

Sire hc is harder than the first 3 mythic bosses BTW

[uneven mason]

this week isn't fun, bolster slows trash and tyrannical extends bosses.

[plush tendon]

For 15s though, this week aint bad

[amber herald]

prot warr's got a niche in top, not so bad but still pretty bad

[sturdy trench]

na this week is shit

[brittle owl]

bolster doesn't necesarily slow down trash though. it makes it hella annoying for sure

[strong forum]

No week is bad for 15s really..

[sturdy trench]

bolster and storming

[tame jasper]

Tell this my raid/guild lead and the 10 of 20 sucking dpsler in our raid ^^

[mossy sluice]

hungering destroyer fucked us up harder than heroic sire

[sturdy trench]

worst week to try reprisal

[brittle owl]

how

[strong forum]

Eh

Storming sure, is annoying

[sweet summit]

Annoying*

Not bad

[brittle owl]

hungering is a meme

[sweet summit]

Tbh

[uneven mason]

I should say, bolster increases the likelyhood of issues on trash, due to increasing the risk on bigger pulls.

[strong forum]

But bolstering is really good for reprisal

You get to notice the juice

[uneven mason]

Storming is, just yuk

[plush tendon]

Ion is just testing your resolve

[brittle owl]

storming is legit one of those

[sweet summit]

Stop teasing, Ion 🥺 😳

[brittle owl]

"actually fuck you" affixes

[uneven mason]

obnoxious afixes

like spiteful

"it certainly is"

[brittle owl]

"hey member how people complained about melee in bfa"

"lets just fuck em"

[uneven mason]

🖕 Rogues

[brittle owl]

"with a sandpaper dildo"

[uneven mason]

Balsawood

[brittle owl]

with glass shard on the tip

[uneven mason]

and an obsidian grip

[brittle owl]

no pillow to bite on either

[floral pewter]

location click attacks are kind of awkward, but I just made a macro so it defaults to [@self] when I just want to drop it without fancy positioning

[plush tendon]

I dont mind storming as a tank, its when I have to melee dps where I have problems

Part of that also being, if Im not getting hit im uneasy

[floral pewter]

storming kept fucking me up as tank

should I just do the slow walk backwards whenever storms are up?

[plush tendon]

I do like a up and down sort of thing

[brittle owl]

just dodge em

[strong forum]

Love when you try to intervene out, and storming fucks you up.

[plush tendon]

this week is basically just me doing the second boss of Shrine of the Storm for 40 mins

[brittle owl]

charge/leap back in if you get knocked up

[valid zodiac]

So what's the deal with the Reprisal? They can't be that oblivious to not notice it is 6s duration

[floral pewter]

that was me, every time

[plush tendon]

Its working as intended

[lavish oracle]

How do you figure?

They released both an official patch note and a blue post saying it would be reduced to 4s

[distant crystal]

well they also seem to have accidentally reverted some old hotfixes to plaguefall

[brittle owl]

patchnotes

[distant crystal]

so apparently their dev team struggles with organization

[brittle owl]

blizz tooltips

[distant crystal]

but ya'll should start muting ppl who mention it, can't let it get out

[chilly brook]

Storming is pretty aids as a tank since it actively can spawn under you during movement abilities or will spawn in things you need to soak etc.

[brittle owl]

watch ion get his python dick out and nerf reprisal into oblivion

[lavish oracle]

Don't see why they would

[floral pewter]

Storming knocking people out of position while trying to soak the beams in HoA was my favorite

[lavish oracle]

Like, even with 6s, it doesn't put us head and shoulders over other tanks or anything

[mossy sluice]

they may just leave it in after seeing how not game breaking it is

[lavish oracle]

I like that getting tapped by storming in 3rd boss of top makes her star casting her Insta kill

It can be reflected and kicked but still

Kinda funny

[uneven mason]

Nothing like the good ole alleyoop during charge

[chilly brook]

The only reason it got nerfed tbh is because normies who dont play prot started talking about how busted it is because of a dumb wowhead post

[distant crystal]

wouldn't think week be like BiS for reprisal

just ride the tornado out into charge range

[open monolith]

Ewwww @self ravager macros. Use @cursor you barbarian

[last yacht]

With Reprisal would you guys run Double Time or stick with Storm Bolt?

[sturdy sable]

But I use my cursor to cast spells out of my spell book

[chilly brook]

Por que no los dos?

Like death and decay

[sterile moss]

either works really. Give both a try and see how it goes

[floral pewter]

I use a modifier to target it elsewhere, but lots of the time I just want to have it on me

[lavish oracle]

I feel like the difference between 4 and 6s reprisal is pretty minor

[brittle owl]

uhm

it's a 30% decrease

its p substantial

[lavish oracle]

Like, you have to be slightly smarter about how you play 4s but you're not losing a lot of relevant uptime

[uneven mason]

losing some revenge pumpers

Like, how about they nerf brand by 30%

[brittle owl]

would make that much of a diff

wouldn't*

high keys you dont facetank outside of meta anyway

[sterile moss]

when this leggo leaves, I'm going to miss the sound of shield block when I press intervene

feels so good to press now

[mild ruin]

Sorry been reading back and don’t actually have reprisal yet, what is it that’s bugged / incorrect? The duration on shield block?

[uneven mason]

🤫

[brittle owl]

nono

nothing to see here

move along

this is not the bug you're looking for

[mild ruin]

It’s all a dream?

[brittle owl]

👋

[graceful pond]

Even at a 4s duration itd still be our go to right?

[uneven mason]

I feel that comment got yanked out with a shepherds crook

[solemn magnet]

Yes

I deleted it

[brittle owl]

good lad

[graceful pond]

Kk as long as i didn't waste my ash

[mild ruin]

Hypothetically if the legendary had 6s duration instead of 4s it wouldn’t be that yuge right? I know percentage wise it’s big but it’s a strong legendary either way

[solemn magnet]

But honestly, if it's not flooding mmo champion forums or wowhead by now I'd be shocked

[uneven mason]

people still read mmo champion?

[solemn magnet]

More than you'd hope

[distant crystal]

i remember when bladeflurry was bugged in BFA

nobody wanted to talk about it in ravenholdt

[sick sentinel]

I’m guessing by what I’ve read through here so far that they reverted reprisal back to the 4sec?

[distant crystal]

😄

[sterile moss]

Its current 6 sec duration is fine as it is

😄

[sick sentinel]

It is, yes.

[mild ruin]

I mean tbh, I’d take the gaureentee revenge proc alone just for some snap threat at the moment :p 170 ilvl vs 200+ dps

[floral pewter]

with a 4s duration, you can still have SB up for 30+ seconds at a time, on every pull, so yeah

[brittle owl]

i mean, if threat's an issue just cast revenge

slap those mf's

[wanton condor]

what, you don't purposefully charge into a tornado so you can stay in front of a group of adds and still get the reprisal procs?

[mild ruin]

I am very new to prot warrior, I can you double stack shield block or am I wasting it if I use before it drops

[wanton condor]

yes, it stacks up to 18s without Bolster

[craggy pilot]

is 18 sec max?

[wanton condor]

bolster lets you break that and go to 32(?) when you hit last stand

[craggy pilot]

or can u get higher?

[wanton condor]

no, you can roll it

[mild ruin]

Waddufak

[wanton condor]

just 18s at a time

I did not learn this until a few weeks back and it made it so much easier

[craggy pilot]

cant you do Charge + Intervene + 2 Stacks SB?

for like 26s?

[distant crystal]

bolster doesn't actually give shield block buff right

[open monolith]

18s is max SB time if you aren't using Bolster.

[distant crystal]

it just makes you block everything?

[mild ruin]

Charge + intervene + charge lmao

[wanton condor]

charge SB Revenge Intervene SB Revenge is the standard opener yes

[limpid burrow]

with reprisal is more

[wanton condor]

can then do another charge with double time

[craggy pilot]

ah ok, so if u Charge + Intervene + SBx2 and Charge again, u lose SB time?

[open monolith]

No it'll cap at 18s without bolster.

[wanton condor]

make sure to revenge between each

[open monolith]

Did it yesterday on a dummy. Wouldn't go above 18

[wanton condor]

but that burns time

18s is the regular cap for the amount you can hold at once

if you pop last stand with bolster talented you can go to 32, but hitting SB when over 18 is wasted iirc

[uneven mason]

bolster doesn't count vs the cap atall

so you can bolster and double SB to get 27

[lavish oracle]

I mean, charge->revenge->SB->intervene->revenge->SB again and you shouldn't cap sb duration

just based on GCDs spent

(with 4s reprisal)

[mild ruin]

I get we can’t sim ourselves for defensiveness, are we aiming for Vers + haste above all in an ideal world? Or do we want some crit and mastery in there

I see the top two / three Rio prot warriors have like 1.2k versa and 700-800 haste then low crit / mast

[lavish oracle]

Vers is probably the best all around defensive stat, mastery and crit mostly just help us against physical which we're already good at mitigating

[mild ruin]

Yeah I figured, and haste is just to help rotationally?

[lavish oracle]

Haste is a significant bump to rage gen

[plush tendon]

Haste is also the stat that feels the best to get a lot of

[lavish oracle]

(and also helps us rotationally)

[brittle owl]

no, haste helps with rage generation, AM uptime, cdr thru anger management

that is what makes haste the best stat defensively

[plush tendon]

Everything else is passive, haste you can feel the difference

[lavish oracle]

CDR from AM comes from rage gen, yes

[brittle owl]

vers is a default pick due to crit being mainly offensive and mastery being more rng

[timber lagoon]

Hey, I can feel parrying something and ignoring a dot

[brittle owl]

[chilly brook]

Crit is cool

[brittle owl]

crit is pümp

[chilly brook]

[lavish oracle]

Haste is good but I don't think we need to stack it into infinity with reprisal

[timber lagoon]

Too bad we can't parry spells

[brittle owl]

you'll never have enough haste

there will always be value in it

[lavish oracle]

You will at some point, have enough haste

[brittle owl]

if you play AM that is

unironically there is no hardcap for warriors

there's nothing hard devalueing haste

[lavish oracle]

No hardcap, sure but you do hit a point where you start to feel less benefit from stacking haste

[brittle owl]

because AM exists

[lavish oracle]

either you're no longer adding to relevant active mitigation uptime, or you're already saturated on rage

[brittle owl]

?

[lavish oracle]

there is a point where you don't need more

[chilly brook]

I mean

Theoretically no

[brittle owl]

that is strictly incorrect

because IP exists

off gcd rage dump

[lavish oracle]

I don't have machine hands

[brittle owl]

wrong class bucko

[turbid cargo]

^

[sick sentinel]

Then git gud

[chilly brook]

If you hit a point where you're overcapping on mitigation you just use a different lego

[lavish oracle]

I'm not like those robots from ghost in the shell

[chilly brook]

[brittle owl]

👉 👉

[sick sentinel]

You might wanna try DH

[brittle owl]

[sick sentinel]

They’re easier

[uneven mason]

thats a throwback

[lavish oracle]

I mean, I'm not having any problems slamming buttons, I just think this discord overvalues haste, it happened in BFA pre-8.3 too, haha

[uneven mason]

"over values"

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[uneven mason]

We literally say stack ilvl

[turbid cargo]

do I have 100% shield block uptime?
No -> moar haste

[brittle owl]

nah

[uneven mason]

Its actually still our strongest RPS/APM stat

[sick sentinel]

What haste % would be too much then for me Az? Just to make sure I don’t get too much

[uneven mason]

not all about SB uptime

[brittle owl]

defensively haste has diminishing returns sure enough if you contextualize it withing encounter parameters

but in vacuo

and offensively, with AM

[mild ruin]

Is it possible to have 100% shield block uptime

[brittle owl]

haste is virtually impossible to undervalue

[strong forum]

with running bolster or HR,yes

[brittle owl]

ya

[uneven mason]

haste compresses our GCD in a linear fashion, so more haste leads to more rage gain and more rage spending in almost equal parts.

[strong forum]

but there is no point

[solemn magnet]

I get 140% haste when Anima field emitter procs. It'sfeels so good

[strong forum]

to go beyond 90%

[mild ruin]

Haste is legit most fun stat in game, why do you think we don’t have a crit bloodlust 😉

[strong forum]

even beyond 85% might not even be necessary

[lavish oracle]

I'm not sure I could give you a definite value Kosta, my heart says 20-25% but I have no real reason to back that up, haha

[brittle owl]

it is if you wanna zoom

but you're Boomeratur

[vague crest]

I’m not main prot, but t have patch made us any better? Will we see a upraising of prots now?