protection

[tall nymph]

how does that work?

[surreal sinew]

casts intervene where the cursor is

#showtooltip Intervene
/cast [@mouseover,help] Intervene

[tall nymph]

sorry, I'm learning lol

[amber siren]

so if you placed your cursor over an ally, it'd intervene them when you pressed the keybind instead of needing to target them and then pressing your intervene keybind

[surreal sinew]

nothing to be ashamed of

[amber siren]

You're fine don't worry :)

[surreal sinew]

that's way clearer than my attempt ^^

[amber siren]

Gotta break it down for people like me

[mellow gorge]

wait there's a WoW update

did they already nerf reprisal ?

[tall nymph]

thank you!!!

[surreal sinew]

tooltip is still the same on the boots

so don't think so

still 6s yeah

[tall nymph]

brb, doing a 2 key to test it out 😄

I appreciate your help 😄

[amber siren]

no problem! :)

[remote dawn]

pssssst ! 🤫

[amber siren]

You can do a macro to combine charge and intercept into one keybind but take your time and figure out what works best for you

[mellow gorge]

ah

i see

everything is normal

[dry spear]

and again a leggo question. i got my wall on 235. i can craft a reprisal at 225. i just wanna do some m+ this weekend. i am not a main prot warrior. just outside of raid i love to tank. is the reprisal/AM combo a really good feeling? i would craft the reprisal at lower ilvl then just to get the feeling u know.

[amber siren]

reprisal, BSC, AM and ravager are a lot of fun right now

[eager phoenix]

where do you upgrade valor shit? 😮

[surreal sinew]

next to the pvp vendor

[ripe valve]

pvp vendor

[ionic fern]

The same place you upgrade pvp.

[ripe valve]

or your covenant

[eager phoenix]

alright, cheers

[empty spindle]

What’s BSC again ? 👀

[dry spear]

i dont know what BSC means.

[ripe valve]

best served cold talent

[dry spear]

thanks

[strong forum]

Am+reprisal blasts in m+

Feels amazing

[upbeat needle]

At what rank does it make sense to switch to reprisal? Got 235 thunderlord but have 0 Soul ash

[strong forum]

190

Legit the lowest rank

Even a 150 ilvl reprisal would be better

0 ilvl even

[wet compass]

lol

[dry spear]

recommendation on the slot? just stats right? got 226 boots and legs.

[strong forum]

Legs

[wet compass]

why is there another wow update? what did they hotfix?

[strong forum]

Stuff and things

Some dungeons got nerfed

Or buffed?

Less lanterns in sanguine

[wet compass]

okay so not what we are worried about changing good

[strong forum]

Can't pull extra mobs in the maze in mists anymore

[wet compass]

I meant since patch

I just had an update

[surreal sinew]

just bugs and stuff looks like

[tidal forge]

What missives for Reprisal? Haste and ?

[strong forum]

Crit if you're cool

Vers if you're a beta

[dry spear]

lol? 😄

[strong forum]

But most people use vers

[wet compass]

vers if you aren't insane 🙂

[dry spear]

i stick to versa since trinkets scale

[wet compass]

also you can't parry spells

[strong forum]

Trinkets can also crit

[dry spear]

hehe

[wet compass]

https://tenor.com/view/tonton-tonton-sticker-no-nope-gif-13636081

[strong forum]

Weak

[brittle owl]

crit

edited for girth

[dry spear]

frist strike is the path go go right?

[tidal forge]

Vers for pve content?

[brittle owl]

vers defensively

pve or pvp it doesn't matter

crit is more of an offensive choice with a defensive upside that can be leveraged and played around, but it isn't user friendly

haste always obv

[wet compass]

vers is just better it effects spell damage intake crit's defensive part is something we really don't need especially with the new leggo because we should be blocking basically every physical hit

crit is fun if doing meme keys I guess

[brittle owl]

i would avoid making hard statements like that

since not everyone wants to tryhard push high keys

[strong forum]

Mael put it pretty much how it is

[surreal sinew]

i'm guessing you can't parry if you block?

[brittle owl]

also very few people progress in a HoF setting

[strong forum]

Block and parry are 2 different things that have no interaction with each other

Block is dmg reduction

[wet compass]

blocked attacks aren't going to kill you is kind of the point

[strong forum]

Parry is avoidance

[wet compass]

unless you are already super low

[brittle owl]

i mean

if we're gonna be pedantic

[wet compass]

idk I prefer to have always on over rng

[surreal sinew]

k thanks

[brittle owl]

crit is the better stat in order to reduce dtps

therefore conserving healer mana

but it's besides the point

[strong forum]

I just like doing dmg, I'm not pushing content where vers plays any role at all

And if I do I can always play better.

[brittle owl]

you mainly go crit for the offensive benefit

people assume it's a dead stat defensively, and it absolutely isn't

[wet compass]

idk I like haste vers because they are always one whereas crit is rng as fuck

mastery as well with haste vers

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️ it's the best offensive stat

[brittle owl]

pmuch 🤷‍♂️

[wet compass]

now see what they need to do is make it so once you craft one leggo the next one costs as much as a rank 1 if it's the same type

[brittle owl]

the rng nature isn't as unpredictable as it seems

[wet compass]

then you could make multiple 235 sets of stats

[brittle owl]

eh

would rather just evaluate correctly the content i am doing

[wet compass]

I'm saying of the same type even if I think lego creation in general is way too lengthy

[jolly thistle]

The stats on 1 legendary won’t matter tbh

[strong forum]

Exactly

It's 2%

Nothing more nothing less

[wet compass]

but it's 2% that I can optimize 🙂

[strong forum]

Lmoa

[wet compass]

you say that like you don't keep every stat variation you get at a 226 level

[brittle owl]

if the stats of 1 legendary matters, you should be in a scenario where that level of min maxxing affects the outcome

now, reality of the fact is

very few people are in that scenario

[lime urchin]

Amen

[jolly thistle]

I’m at 21% crit and 9% versa. Not because I actively stacked crit but that’s all what dropped. It’s fine for 19s

[brittle owl]

^

[strong forum]

29% haste, rest don't matter

[brittle owl]

like if all you're hardstuck in 20's, your personal optimization insofar as gearing a tank is irelevant

there's group optimizations and dungeon opti's to be done

before you minmax your defense/offense

[wet compass]

so question if you move while your nf shockwave thing is casting is it in the visual or is it where you stop moving at the end of the cast animation

[rose agate]

Guys im about to pick my cov i go Kyrian right?

[brittle owl]

i think it's when you finish the cast

[wet compass]

okay cause the visual is where the start of the cast is

[brittle owl]

🤷‍♂️

[blazing condor]

kyrian or night fae are usually what people pick - NF is a bit more damage but kyrians phial is nice

[wet compass]

night fae has burrrrs go brrrrrrrr 🙂

[brittle owl]

NF has burrs and grove invig

[wet compass]

if only that mastery was haste but yeah grove invig is nice

[brittle owl]

it's a buttload of mastery

[wet compass]

for sure but a buttload of haste though

[brittle owl]

eh

if i were to choose between an on use of buttload of x stat, haste wouldn't be my first choice

crit vers and mastery all are better when synced with cd's

[mild ruin]

how good is prot warrior in torghast, am 160 ilvl, am i gonna get bent over going in layer 8?

[ebon hound]

Could be doable, I'd shoot for getting every power though. Especially the Execute one

[crisp dragon]

You might really struggle in the one with passive fire damage every 5 seconds though

[ebon hound]

Yeah that one's rough, luckily not live this week though (:

[jolly thistle]

I think I did layer 8 in beta sub 180ilvl. I’d go for a bit more overall ilvl and do torghast on the last day before reset

[strong forum]

At 160 it might take a while but if you get enough powers

Should be defo doable

[crisp dragon]

Yeah, no reason to rush right now, its Thursday

[jolly thistle]

or do it with friends

160 could get rough if you’re unlucky with powers

[ionic nimbus]

but you can do it, just focus and take every phantasm and anima you can get..

easy wings this id

[humble ferry]

necro is overhyped right? kyrian looks much stronger, especially in my case cuz im only ilvl 177 on my warr lel

[wet compass]

Necro is only good in a coordinated group setting

[humble ferry]

okay kyrian it is then

thanks!

[limpid tide]

Idk NF seems really nice because of flexibility

[nova compass]

I've got 2 tryhard friends who parse over 95% always and are fier mage and affli. I for one am hyped

[nocturne steeple]

Whats the best legendary price for reprisal

[forest fern]

The night far damage is over a longer time period just remember that for tanking as you won’t wanna do it during heavy movement

[nocturne steeple]

Necro offers nice group buffw

Buffa

[mild ruin]

im loving necro with flesh and banner tbh

[nocturne steeple]

Which ain't bad

The flesh craft is massive if u rally before putting in the key

You get like 37k or something stupid

[nova compass]

Damn thats really nice, havent thought about that one thx!

[mild ruin]

nor had i

good shout

[crimson furnace]

same here, and my M+ group is loving it even more 😄

at 200ilvl after 1 full day of being 60

30 in the covenant, brand new char btw

really alt friendly this expac

[vast ivy]

@crimson furnace which lego?

[crimson furnace]

reprisal

with double time

[nocturne steeple]

reprisal for m+ s fucking crazy

almost constant shield uptime XD

NUT NUT

i boosted my unholy dk guildies mastery to 76% increasing hsi shadow dmg up to 76% increase shadow dps XD

its stupid

i feel like a support that doesnt die xD

[mild ruin]

if only i had friends to play M0's with who arent playing goddamn valheim!

[nocturne steeple]

XD

illl play with u @mild ruin

i got horde shaman XO

[mild ruin]

ive just dinged today so just doing catchup stuff atm

[nocturne steeple]

sweet we can hit some M0 if your on EU

[mild ruin]

i am 🙂

[nocturne steeple]

sweet

X)

also channel FC during last boss of plaguefall during her channel with the disease is kinda amazing to us XD

[mild ruin]

wondering if emeni is the play for necro atm, about 20% str and 400 mastery + gnashing chompers seems nice for M+

[nocturne steeple]

welll

emeni is amazing but

dont for get plague man he gives cc immunity and 15% hp sheild if u drop below 50% hp on a 60s cd

XO

nutty

for tonking new

[strong forum]

You rarely get CCd in pve

And it's only during fleshcraft channel

[nocturne steeple]

but it give the hp heal

which is good wiht 20% dr

[strong forum]

And the heal is kinda w/e imo

[nocturne steeple]

i mean its something XD

emeni good for dm output

heirmir for utility and shizz

[mild ruin]

how good realistically is serrated shoulders?

[nocturne steeple]

its ok

[strong forum]

They nerfed it a bunch iirc

[nocturne steeple]

not amazing but its good for alittle bit of dmg boost

[strong forum]

So now it's just something

[nocturne steeple]

yeah xD

[mild ruin]

Heirmirs arsenal Ravenous Pendant seems juicy for M+ also

[nocturne steeple]

what it do again ?

[mild ruin]

gives a 3% max hp heal after killing a mob, stacking up to 5 times and adding a stack refreshes a duration

[nocturne steeple]

oh shit XD

forgot about dat

but yeah more utilit

doesnt emeni give stacking haste on kill

[mild ruin]

yeah

[nocturne steeple]

but that give u enduriance conduit

the move speed gives u potency

which is never bad for the thunderclap/revenge conduit

[mild ruin]

idc what conduits i want atm 😛

[nocturne steeple]

XD

[proper thunder]

I've noticed some people are talking about dropping demo shout talent for Best Served Cold. Is the rage gen and dmg buff not good enough to compare the extra revenge dmg?

[jagged pier]

u dont need BV

[mild ruin]

BSC works nice with reprisal

[raven kernel]

with reprisal u get 1 fat revenge after charge with bsc

[proper thunder]

So it procs on reprisals too then? Huh.

[ionic fern]

It's the same buff so yes.

[nocturne steeple]

whats the best legendry peice to put reprisal on ?

[proper thunder]

Legs people say often enough. But I went boots because my legs are haste vers 226 and my boots were 206 so, figured net gain from boots was a better choice for me

[nocturne steeple]

XD

hmmm ill have to seee

maybe ill make 190 leggy and then fuck around wif it XD

see if i like it then upgrade from there XD

[proper thunder]

plus I'm a moron and instead of making my first legendary as thunderlord boots, I clicked reprisal. my first 1200 ash used on an intervene and revenge leggo. I was salty for week

s

[nocturne steeple]

i made the unbreakale wall so XD

[proper thunder]

ooft. I'm a bad gamer and follow guides and rinse and repeat what they say.

[nocturne steeple]

XD

oooof

what am i saying i am too XD

[proper thunder]

hahaha, don't tell a certain icyveins prot warr guide writer.........

[nocturne steeple]

wowheads my fav XD

i got tired of icyveins honestly XO

but shhhhhhhhh

[mild ruin]

icyveins was very unreliable a few years ago, ive never fully trusted sinec

[jagged pier]

Mwahi is the prophet of god Sense its reliable now

[cunning parcel]

So even take BSC with the wall?

[jagged pier]

no

you use BV

[nocturne steeple]

so ive been using unbreakable will for raiding

and holy smokes it makes sludgefist into a joke during enrage xD

2 50% dr and 25% for ot

[rich helm]

Necrolord Project is over for me 😄 going back to my angel boys

[jagged pier]

werent u 100% behind banner? i swear

[mild ruin]

how have you lost faith in banner in 24 hours ? 😛

[wintry jetty]

I'm going back to necro, missed them so much. "aaah my apprentice you return at last!"

[crisp dragon]

🗑️

[ionic fern]

Cause it's horrible to play around for 95% of the people.

[vocal cave]

Do you need killing blows for emeni and bonesmith last row traits?

[outer solstice]

Yu could try NF

[runic drum]

Morning all. Was hoping I could get some suggestions. I'm looking for some streamers or alternate media out there for M+ routes. I was using Dratanos' weekly route, but I'm finding there are issues with these routes as I try to push into the 14-15 key level range. As an example the route to run NW skips a lot of tools that make the final boss fight so much easier. Any suggestions would be helpful. Thank you.

[jolly granite]

Banner is nice IMO. Use it on cooldown and pair it with your groups cooldowns, pride and bl. What’s the problem 🤷‍♂️😜

[stoic mural]

Well i just tried new reprisal. its way more satisfying and kinda strong 😮

[blazing condor]

ikr it feels great

[stoic mural]

charging everywhere

[jagged pier]

make your own routes

🤷🏼

[blazing condor]

^

would recommend

its great to learn

[spice shadow]

That's what I've started doing. It's easy copying a route but it doesn't help you understand it. When you're placing it yourself you remember it better. Plus you get to make "pug proof" groups.

[runic drum]

Probably something I will try to do someday. But right now I'm learning that I don't even know about half the things I should be doing. It wasn't until a 12 key that someone even pointed out that you can use the spear in NW to break the shield on the last boss making Tyr weeks that much easier. I guess the route isn't the biggest thing for me. I'm looking for more information on how to actually use the environment to benefit me and my attempts so far have only revealed vauge info

[spice shadow]

Check out tanknotes.com

[runic drum]

Then someone says oh hey did you know you can <insert thing here> and I'm like, no I did not know that.

[spice shadow]

Has a tonne of resource for each dungeon

[fleet river]

is double time the goto with reprisal now?

[little rune]

im trying to make a WA that triggers when blocking anything but i cant think of any way of doing it. Anyone know how?

[bold linden]

Hi Guys is 3111231 the way to Go for m+ with reprisal?

[lime urchin]

I recommend Quazzi, he has a website with routes there. Use those or Dratnos stuff and adjust them to your own preference / group set up.

[dusty pasture]

I dont think you run best served cold with reprisal

[jagged pier]

yes u do

[bold linden]

Rly? Doesn't it have sind synergy?

Some*

[jagged pier]

u use BSC

[lime urchin]

I mean, how you expect an answer to such questions? Just a yes or no and then run with it?

[remote dawn]

rispal BSC/AM

[dusty pasture]

didnt know it was that good, guess it has some synergy

[obtuse prism]

dude reprisal + AM and we pump while being extra chunky

[bold linden]

Well Just some answers as im not able to Play until Weekend and was wondering about adjusting my talents

Thanks Guys!

[obtuse prism]

did some fun keys yesterday and only kited once 😈

[bold linden]

Sounds great! Really Looking Forward to Play xD

[woeful trellis]

Anyone did a +20ish this week and can show a dps graph didnt have Time yesterday, just wanna know where we at With repri and bsc + buffs

[jagged pier]

i did a 17 mists yesterday first time using it and was at 5.3k much more time to improve so maybe close to 6k once im used to it

if that helps

like last time a ran mists i was doing 4.6 before buff and reprisal

[remote hawk]

Whats your ilvl jakey ?

[jagged pier]

225/226

[strong forum]

In Fort weeks and a bit of practice I think it's reasonable to assume to hit 5.5k-6k on average in keys

[jagged pier]

☝️

[woeful trellis]

Stooonks

Ty all

[spice shadow]

What's the best Soulbind for Venthyr for M+? Looks like Draven is the go to with Unnerving Focus, Show of force, Stawlwart Guardian and Disturb the peace?

[wet compass]

man so much soul ash needed 😦

[strong forum]

The one that gives vers as its last trait to your group

That one is broken

I think thats niya?

Nadja

Smth like that

[sweet summit]

Theotar gives vers with wastelands proprieties

Nadjia is better tho, imo

With the middle bottom trait

[spice shadow]

Cheers, I'll check it out

[surreal sinew]

it's theotar

Wasteland propriety

[nocturne steeple]

isnt venthyr complete trash for prot

[sweet summit]

No

[nocturne steeple]

cause it gives us a rage dump

[jagged pier]

no?

[nocturne steeple]

that isnt worth

[spice shadow]

Well it's mitigation too with condemn

[nocturne steeple]

but

its like 1k

[surreal sinew]

had lots of fun with condemn tbh

[nocturne steeple]

XD

[spice shadow]

Well, 5k

[jagged pier]

try like pretty much an IP

[nocturne steeple]

i feel darven isnt bad for tonk

[ebon hound]

Condemn deals infinitely more damage than Ignore Pain

[spice shadow]

Sure it's not the greatest but I main fury

[nocturne steeple]

but versa frm mad boi is good

oh fair

i was venthyr then we kyrian

now im necro

next up

NF

XD

[spice shadow]

haha

[nocturne steeple]

but i dont know hey

necro feels so good

its fun more interactive with people

give all dps specs a nice dmg boost

[surreal sinew]

i miss condemn quite badly

[wet compass]

swapped from kyrian 40 to nf

[nocturne steeple]

ooof

[surreal sinew]

but the banner is quite satisfying

[nocturne steeple]

it is

and the move boost

was so good on sludgefist last night

[wet compass]

blizz just needs to make it so make it so that you can swap once a week without consequence at least

[nocturne steeple]

question what does mastery do for DH

yeah

but

[surreal sinew]

crap apparently

[nocturne steeple]

people will abuse that

[surreal sinew]

i asked my ot

[nocturne steeple]

i mean dh tnak mastery

[surreal sinew]

yeah he said it was his worse stat

[nocturne steeple]

damn

[crisp dragon]

https://gyazo.com/cae811500cb028337256e36dfca3fe75

[surreal sinew]

so i'm staying away from him

[nocturne steeple]

x(

[crisp dragon]

this has carry me daddy potential

[nocturne steeple]

XD

lol

i really need better trinkets on my prot

im running 207 phail and darkmoon tnak trinket

X(

[surreal sinew]

spent my yesterday running dos ^^

[nocturne steeple]

stupid hakkar trinket never drops

any luck @surreal sinew

[jagged pier]

id get rip of the DMF tank trinket for literally anyhting else

[surreal sinew]

yep

6th run

[nocturne steeple]

XD

nice

its juciy cd

[surreal sinew]

got a nice 216 scale now

[nocturne steeple]

wiht ok dmg pop

[crisp dragon]

226 scale and 226 phial

[nocturne steeple]

im make tier 1 reprisal

just cause i cant be bothered to wait XD

[spice shadow]

You just need to get lucky and get a 203 hymnal

[nocturne steeple]

Notz is memory of sin good ?

from darkvein the trinket ?

[spice shadow]

Not used it personally

Probably shine the more that have it though

[solemn magnet]

Memory is okay

[spice shadow]

time to go give this reprisal a go!

[nocturne steeple]

gl brov

[surreal sinew]

i'm looking forwards to leaper plus reprisal

[nocturne steeple]

XD

lol

bunny tank

[surreal sinew]

gonna drive my raid mad

[nocturne steeple]

i think reprisal and unbreakable for M+ is a must

25% dr for all dmg XD

pretty nut

[surreal sinew]

think i might try it on a high sd or smthg like that

[nocturne steeple]

this m+ week seems aids XD

[surreal sinew]

even sucks to grind valor

in low keys

[nocturne steeple]

X(

but yeah im kinda sad about banner change

cause i used it 2 days before swap

and tnaking wiht it was kinda nutty

25% hp jump on prot was like xDX

daaaamn

with crit

was not bad XD

[surreal sinew]

i don't like crit

[nocturne steeple]

its not bad on tank which is weird

like im on 800 versa

so i dont get completely face smashed XD

[surreal sinew]

yeah i don't have enough

[nocturne steeple]

but i need reprisal

how mooch

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/quelthalas/Grimic current load out @surreal sinew

[surreal sinew]

446

[nocturne steeple]

oooof

dude

send me your rio

u ally or hordie

[surreal sinew]

h2 (but only since sl if that makes it better ^^)

[nocturne steeple]

XD

nice

[surreal sinew]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/hyjal/Numirage

[nocturne steeple]

ew

rat man

xD

[surreal sinew]

nos for trouble

is awesome

[nocturne steeple]

XD

[surreal sinew]

and the bag space and the free world tp

[nocturne steeple]

damn u extra thick

u main tonk ?

[surreal sinew]

yeah

[nocturne steeple]

for guild

[surreal sinew]

first time warrior though

[nocturne steeple]

ah

its fn

[surreal sinew]

cause the fury wari left

[nocturne steeple]

fun

ive got 1,1k hours on war

XD

and 3.6k total hours on wow XD

fury is good right now

which isnt anyhting new

[surreal sinew]

don't think i'm far off though, but it's been monk for a while

[nocturne steeple]

been op for like ever

monks busted

[surreal sinew]

having more fun though

[nocturne steeple]

XD

fair

[surreal sinew]

cuase i have to think about what i'm doing

[nocturne steeple]

XD

i was dwarf monk for extra cleanse

whcih is nutty for necrotic weaks

btw

although i do miss kyrain cleanse

X(

[surreal sinew]

i mean i just roll away

when stuff sucks

[nocturne steeple]

XD

ring self detox heal xD

[surreal sinew]

now i need to get a friend to be placed properly for intervene

[nocturne steeple]

XD

im gonna do 13 sanguine with unholy and pally and booost the dps on pulls

and see how that goes for banner tonk

[surreal sinew]

it's mad

[nocturne steeple]

gonna make a macro that makes me yelll FREEEDOOOOOOOOOOOM

[surreal sinew]

did dos with my guild hpal on his ret spec

[nocturne steeple]

XD

nutty dmg hey

[surreal sinew]

he was doing 28k final verdict's

[nocturne steeple]

XO

jesus

put it on a desto lock

and see the dmg

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sheev-palpatine-unlimited-power-super-power-power-gif-5051810

XD

[surreal sinew]

need to try 3s

[rich helm]

I lost faith because even if u do everything 100% with ur mates its idk maybe 100 DPS better then Kyrian in Raids, and i dont think that this is worth 😄 but y i thought banner was cool in the first moment but for me is the outcome just too low for everything i have to do for it. @jagged pier

[surreal sinew]

with arms and ret

[nocturne steeple]

XD

nah bro

ret arms unholy 1 shot the healer

XD

banner slave power XD

[surreal sinew]

i mean you're right, i'm already planning the encounters with the dks so i can make sure i line it up well

[nocturne steeple]

same

XD

[surreal sinew]

it's a huge hassale

[nocturne steeple]

made half my raid hump my leg XD

cause i said hey who wants 400 mastery

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-jutsu-power-saved-gif-10072139

every class in my guild running to me XD

[jagged pier]

i did try and warn you guys its not as good as you all though it would be, but i would take banner for the cosmetics anyday 😆

[wet compass]

well 8/10 lfr bosses gave renown

[surreal sinew]

i got 1

kill me

[nocturne steeple]

@jagged pier u using it with people ?

or just pressing it when ever its up ?

[jagged pier]

im kyrian

[nocturne steeple]

oh

[jagged pier]

fuk banner

[nocturne steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-weak-wimp-weak-sauce-weak-cant-handle-it-gif-13750035

XD

jk

[surreal sinew]

lol

[nocturne steeple]

i love kyrian too

[round vortex]

Agreed lol

[nocturne steeple]

but banner for life

[jagged pier]

i would say if your necro your week as u like being a simp

🤷

[nocturne steeple]

XO

hey man im with thralls mommmy so XD

ill take it

[jagged pier]

exactly being a simp we all ready said before SL launched if your a simp u go necro for draka

then for thicc thighs and feet kyrain

[nocturne steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/thicc-aku-samurai-jack-gif-14631094

[jagged pier]

furries go nightfae

and twilight lovers go venthyr

[nocturne steeple]

furry warriors XD

[surreal sinew]

imagine being a nf fury rat

[nocturne steeple]

kyrain go for the bodybuilder girls and the twinks XD

[soft rampart]

what is the hype about necrolord prot warrior?

[nocturne steeple]

so whos the real simp @jagged pier

@soft rampart nothing XD

justs become a support XD

[surreal sinew]

@soft rampart

[jagged pier]

for kleia i will simp i simmed with her this morning 📈

[nocturne steeple]

XD

https://tenor.com/view/nice-very-nice-well-done-gif-4295060

im listening to glamours by fergi replace its with banner XD

was testing my dps in arms

XD banner isnt bad but u gott set up for GG dps

i mean i know all the arms peeps are like VENTHYR FOR life

[jagged pier]

@strong forum i suggest simming kleia btw she simmed 200 dps higher for me on ST

[nocturne steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/why-word-gif-19440860

XD

[wanton condor]

wait, does conqueror's banner let you join the woof brigade for sire p1 if you're really selfish

[surreal sinew]

yeah i have to try that

gonna convince two people to stick we and keep all their stacks

[remote dawn]

celestial or lightless ? weapon enchant?

[sturdy trench]

celestial

[surreal sinew]

prettty sure lightless will give your more dmg

[arctic wasp]

i mean if necrolord was like this at the very start of the expansion it would have been nice because that way it will compete with kyrian / nf but...changing now and loosing all the progress meh....

[surreal sinew]

but celestial should also reduce some dmg with the ap gain

[jagged pier]

i mean it makes IP bigger

[sturdy trench]

celestial scales better

[jagged pier]

so reduces magic damage further

and increases our strength so we get more armour its POGGIEs

[keen oasis]

What's better? Blood Scale on 184 or Stone Legion Heraldry on 207?

[strong forum]

Heraldry

[soft rampart]

scale is better defensively

[torn garden]

ilvl > all or secondaries matter?

[jagged pier]

ilvls is always better

execpt necks rings and trinkets

[earnest bronze]

Where can I get fast good shield 🛡️ for tanking

[jagged pier]

conquest

[earnest bronze]

And besides that :)

[jagged pier]

run dungeons

🤷

[crisp dragon]

do gear related content? Whats the question even

[earnest bronze]

Well I'm PvP player and I want to start tanking

I have good experience tanking on dh and prot pally

I guess I could sacrifice few conquest

[crisp dragon]

it's cheap

at this point u shouldhave almost every piece of conquest

weekly + conquest gear should definitely have filled up all ur slots

[cedar leaf]

I am about to get a warrior tank as an alt. In the sticky i saw the best covenant for pugging is NF/Kyrian. Which one is the better choice?

[jagged pier]

preference

[crisp dragon]

I think when pugging, that is up to you, maybe NF if u do dungeons, then u can have 3 stuns/interrupts

[jagged pier]

its literally which on u prefer

[lucid holly]

If you want to also raid as NF is better

Raid as dps*

[cedar leaf]

The warrior would be only for m+

so kyrian?

[outer bronze]

NF is higher damage

Kyrian has phial/bit better kite with spear I guess

[modern snow]

im necrolording as prot and you cant stop me, i will empower my pugs beyond belief

[surreal sinew]

all that extra ms to help yourself kite

[cedar leaf]

isnt the spear from kyrian also nice for cc?

[outer bronze]

i used banner on double havoc yday and they both insta died to frontal

[modern snow]

LMFAOOO

[outer bronze]

feelsgoodman

[uneven mason]

Only if you're kiting

[modern snow]

feelsgoodman idd

hahahaha

[surreal sinew]

xD

[outer bronze]

mixed results in pugs... lol

[modern snow]

[uneven mason]

Kyrian helps us with 2 of our biggest "ouches" in M+ which is grevious and necrotic

both through Phial and spear

NF gives us a non DR AE stun/knockdown which continues to interrupt casters for its duration, so another pain point on warriors (frequent magic damage)

[earnest bronze]

@crisp dragon I just made warrior now aka 1 week ago

Is there any big big downside that I would tank without legendary item and I'm venthyr

[amber herald]

feels good being a NF dwarf I've gotta say

[stable kernel]

Kyrian also gives magic dr with pelagos doesn’t it

[brittle dagger]

ye 3%

[uneven mason]

I mean, you sacrifice a lot of power by not having a lego regardless of what you're doing.

[stable kernel]

I am still learning warrior so deciding on kyr and nf will say necro feels fun but i dunno about it being worth much in pugs

[brittle dagger]

im finding it nice in pugs

purely with the extra defensive

[stable kernel]

yeah the shield and dr is nice

but I feel plenty tanky with reprisal

[brittle dagger]

channeling it during a hard hitting spell is a nice mini "defensive" i guess

yeah i guess its personal pref tbh, i miss the spear on kyrian just for kiting

[stable kernel]

I’m coming from prot pala so all the defensives is plenty for me already

[brittle dagger]

and not relying on others to binding or root etc

[stable kernel]

[signal plover]

Mfw I've used spear for kiting maybe twice all xpac

[wanton egret]

Venthyr prot and almost full ksm here

Condenm helps lot on prides and tyr

Pumps lot of dps

[brittle dagger]

i mean i dont even have to kite now

[surreal sinew]

yeah it's awesome

[brittle dagger]

shield block is up all the time

with reprisal

[wanton egret]

😄

[surreal sinew]

not that many classes that are vent too

[brittle dagger]

tanking feels fucking great on the war now

[stable kernel]

yea super tanky

[signal plover]

Literally all of our covenants are good atm

[frank lake]

But my understanding is reprisal got a nerf?

[brittle dagger]

when

[signal plover]

Even with the 6s to 4s nerf, reprisal is excellent in m+

[stable kernel]

intervene and charge are giving me 6 secs of shield block with reprisal atm

[surreal sinew]

no nerf that i'm aware of 😅

[frank lake]

I was reading pins

[eager phoenix]

did you read about the reprisal nerf in last weeks paper

[strong forum]

The nerf didn't go live

[ionic fern]

yet

[brittle dagger]

to me it got mega buffed as when I read it, I thought it was going to give 4 seconds of shield block and that it is

[strong forum]

yet

[signal plover]

yet

[brittle dagger]

i had no idea about the 20 rage and a free revenge

[stable kernel]

even with 4 seconds wont it still be good?

[strong forum]

Yes

[brittle dagger]

imo yes

[ionic fern]

It will still be great.

[brittle dagger]

cos thats the main prob with war you charge in and just fucking die

[ionic fern]

That's 100% not the main problem.

[strong forum]

Eh

[stable kernel]

like with 6 seconds i can have shieldblock overcapped on packs if needed

4 seconds will be fine

[ionic fern]

That's just bad play.

[stable kernel]

[surreal sinew]

nose for trouble

is the solution

[frank lake]

So for M+ it's reprisal>the wall?

[brittle dagger]

is it bad play though

[strong forum]

Yes

[brittle dagger]

how else can you play a warrior

[strong forum]

Yes

If you die as soon as you charge, you already played badly

[wanton egret]

You dont die tho

At least at 15

[brittle dagger]

explain how then

before all this

with 0 rage

[strong forum]

Avatar/ravager/spear/left over rage/demoshout

• charge

Is more than enough rage

[signal plover]

Not dying is a pretty low bar for good play tbh

[strong forum]

Aswell as being vulpera is amazingly powerful for that

[surreal sinew]

i set the bar really high, like you play monk and roll off the edge of HoA

[frank lake]

In most cases it's the bar that gets H 10/10 and ksm

[signal plover]

That doesn't mean it's "good" play lol

[strong forum]

No but he means that not dying, already grants you 10/10 h and KSM

[plush tendon]

IDK, not dying is pretty good TBH

[wanton egret]

I mean im at 218 ilvl and i can tank few hits without ip or shield block

[old monolith]

Is Punish viable for Tyrannical weeks or keep with devastator?

[strong forum]

No

[signal plover]

I mean, suit yourself I suppose

[plush tendon]

Do you want devastate back???

[surreal sinew]

is punish ever viable?

[strong forum]

Punish is a dps and rage loss.

[untold turtle]

Playing necro prot in raid and my damage numbers miss nf 😦

[plush tendon]

The only reason I would go punish is during explosive and I know my bois arent hitting them

[frank lake]

I agree, I want to be a god, but just getting back in the game and frankly arms warrior is not quite hitting the fun button, so very much considering the role change

[uneven mason]

war machine 4head

[lusty marsh]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hVY98cmz4BPvjCwN/#fight=last&source=9&type=damage-done

Can confirm, not dying is a pretty low bar.

[sick sentinel]

When you have to resort to thunder lords because no soul ash : (

[tawdry spade]

Arms is dogshit on any boss that isn't it huntsman/inerva/slg

[plush tendon]

Is War Machine ok for explosive? I dont actually switch cause now im used to no devastate, im just stating the one case where it would at least make sense

[uneven mason]

I'm just saying instead of punish, since afaik WM still gives its bonuses from dead bombs

punish is just 🤮

[frank lake]

Is there any kind of site to help sim tank gear or a site to know what gear is best. Raidbots is all dps focus

[uneven mason]

Whatever has the highest ilvl

[surreal sinew]

more str and armour

[uneven mason]

☝️

[little rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463386652287696899/819542379504861246/unknown.png

[plush tendon]

I level, except rings and neck I believe; prioritize haste and vers on rings?

[little rune]

does this include the rest of the raid

[uneven mason]

No

it includes your group

[little rune]

ok

[uneven mason]

its garbage

[sick sentinel]

4 people

[frank lake]

So haste>vers>mast>crit

[uneven mason]

on equal item level pieces

more crit > mast

crit is our pumper stat

[frank lake]

Okay, good to know, lots of arms gear should translate well

[uneven mason]

anygear translates well

[lusty marsh]

I could see unbreakable getting some use on m sludge.

[uneven mason]

wa

[plush tendon]

its not necessary

[tender carbon]

Is there a link to those m+ sims again? BV is simming higher for me than BSC even with reprisal

[uneven mason]

TW provides you with more frequent SW use.

I suppose the post enrage roars

do get nasty

[woeful trellis]

I mean a +25 tyr pf last boss with lock in grp 🤟🦊

[lusty marsh]

Yeah, it would be for the end of fight. And doable without for sure, just something I'm gonna keep in mind if I'm struggling once I get there.

Currently dying to m hunger

[uneven mason]

just recruited my 20th lastnight >< hoping to get them geared enough to start mythic on monday.

[signal plover]

I'd never use unbreakable as a raid CD for M sludge

[jagged pier]

its not implmented with using intervene yet on sims

[signal plover]

You'd expose yourself pretty good in the back half of the fight without the SW CDR from wall

[jagged pier]

i was doing it with repirsal last night

was pretty good

didnt kill it but only second night of prog

[signal plover]

How did you use 2 leggos?

[jagged pier]

?

[uneven mason]

He was using reprisal on MSludge

not reprisal + UW

[signal plover]

My point is I wouldn't run UW on m sludge

[uneven mason]

yeah

no reason to

[signal plover]

Reprisal is irrelevant

[uneven mason]

IDK If I'd run reprisal either

[signal plover]

I wouldnt personally run reprisal there either but can see how that could work

[uneven mason]

extra shield walls just call to me.

[lusty marsh]

You get to charge after every stomp and roar

[jagged pier]

its pretty good

[signal plover]

The CD timings with wall line up perfectly

[signal plover]

You're linked with cotank so that's risky

[lusty marsh]

Is that with or without am

[jagged pier]

with

[sweet summit]

If u dont charge on sludge

Ur a cuck

[lusty marsh]

Oh you get chained in mythic

[sweet summit]

And thats a fact

[jagged pier]

☝️

[signal plover]

I'll be a cuck on prog idc

[outer bronze]

charge aint gonna break chain unless ur cotank is afk

[signal plover]

Charge does nothing for me on that fight

[sweet summit]

Min charge range is 8 y, chain range is 12y iirc

No reason not to

[outer bronze]

free rage

[signal plover]

It is 12

[sweet summit]

Well, point is

[jagged pier]

im charging even on the pulls with the wall

for the rage

[sweet summit]

Min charge range is less than chain range

So just do it

[jagged pier]

u just let your partender get ahead of u then charge

ez pz

[signal plover]

I understand the concept lol

[lusty marsh]

Mmmm partender

[signal plover]

Haven't felt the need to risk it

[outer bronze]

its not a risk though

unless your cotank is running backwards instead of forwards

[signal plover]

I'll accept that I could probably charge

[lusty marsh]

Should be easy to do every roar with how weak the knock is.

[sweet summit]

Its going to make sludge a fuckton more enjoyable

[signal plover]

I alrdy like the fight

[sweet summit]

Wah

👀

[lusty marsh]

I like sludge but chains on my ranged pop like temperamental bubbles.

[signal plover]

100+ pulls in and rdps still not using defensives in the right place

[sick sentinel]

outside of single target do u ever use execute on prot?

[lusty marsh]

We regularly wipe on reclears because people cant hold hands properly.

[signal plover]

Fingers crossed for kill 2nite tho

Me using charge will be the difference bois

[lusty marsh]

Moar executes.

[signal plover]

I've been kinda a coward with execute during mythic enrage lol

[plucky rampart]

What talents are you using with Reprisal?

[signal plover]

Only get em in during LS window rly

And after wall hit

[lusty marsh]

I gotta remember to make seismic after reprisal for trash and council parsing :p

[brittle dagger]

was afk, i understand thats the normal pull but you didnt have those up every pull

[uneven mason]

So spread them out

[brittle dagger]

not enough rage still

point being the lego just smooths everything out

[uneven mason]

without a doubt

[brittle dagger]

and allows am for a avatar every pull

[signal plover]

That's kinda why we're all hyped for it

[brittle dagger]

ive played my war for 2 xpacs and loved it but i just couldnt do it at the start

of shadowlands

[uneven mason]

Thats why we're so happy to have reprisal in our lives.

[brittle dagger]

just felt so slow to me

[uneven mason]

because its a big QoL addresser

[twilit jay]

reprisal is so much QoL

[brittle dagger]

i do kinda miss having ravager as well lol

[sweet summit]

Wah

[uneven mason]

Why wouldn't you run ravager?

I've 100% dropped ITF even in raid

[brittle dagger]

not ravager

sorry

[twilit jay]

bv?

[brittle dagger]

i mean devestate

[signal plover]

Oh god

[sweet summit]

Wah

[uneven mason]

🤮

[strong forum]

I don't

[twilit jay]

lol

[brittle dagger]

lol fuck off

XD

i cant be the only one

[lusty marsh]

Not having to devastate has been the best part of sl

[sweet summit]

No u

[uneven mason]

Pretty sure you are.

[brittle dagger]

damn boys

[signal plover]

Hey man lotsa folks enjoy pressing wet noodle fillers

[brittle dagger]

maybe im doing something wrong but atm i still feel like im sometimes doing nothing

[signal plover]

Maybe if it still gave sunder or some shit like that

[uneven mason]

Elemental shaman love pressing lightning bolt I heard.

"does less damage than a melee swing HNGGGG"

[signal plover]

Hey man, storm ele build in NYA was fun af lol

[brittle dagger]

like i have no rage, and shield slam/thunder on cd

happens every so often after the inital pull

[sweet summit]

Just charge 4head

Intervene

[signal plover]

Glance at dmg meters idk

[lusty marsh]

Doing nothing sometimes let's you watch your dps mess up mechanics.

[uneven mason]

Time to break out the "Mighty Rage Potions"

[signal plover]

I actually thought about rage pots the other day

[uneven mason]

I tried using them as prepots in BFA

but it emptied the rage bar on engage

made me mad.

[sweet summit]

What is this secret tech

[brittle dagger]

maybe im just trash then lads

i couldnt get ksm on my tank but rerolled to healer for first time and within 2 weeks did an 18

[woven trellis]

hi, why is plka playing with Best served cold

[lusty marsh]

Nah, having preferences doesn't make you trash.

[brittle dagger]

couldnt even do a 14 on my tanks sadge

[sweet summit]

We all are

With reprisal

[twilit jay]

reprisal @woven trellis

[lusty marsh]

Just sub optimal :p

[woven trellis]

he used it before pretty sure

[lusty coyote]

Anyone els experienced problem with invis pots after the patch?
mine cancel after 1 sec automaticly

[sweet summit]

Cos he likes dps

[uneven mason]

[lusty marsh]

Cold hard steeeeeel

[uneven mason]

Generally if you're having a hard tim in a 14, its due to bad interrupts/stuns/DPS on the part of the DPS.

[signal plover]

He was using it for dps memes with seismic before 9.0.5

[uneven mason]

are you using the GD trinket?

[radiant oxide]

Can we use the thunder clap talent now instead of ravage ? 😋

[uneven mason]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[radiant oxide]

In mythic+

[lusty coyote]

GD? 😮

[lusty marsh]

Wtb second Lego slot for seismic.

[lusty coyote]

dont know what that is

[uneven mason]

the gluttonous spike

[lusty coyote]

ohh nope

[sweet summit]

You can but its worse

Killxot

[lusty marsh]

I'm using the stupid spike.

[uneven mason]

me too

because nothing else better

[lusty marsh]

Only made me wipe on m huntsman like 3 times

[uneven mason]

😄

I've been having my co tank do the dogs

its night and day

IDK why I put so much effort in for so long.

[lusty marsh]

If I don't leave early enough it procs on the dog and applies my stupid vial trinket

So no re cc

I love the vial though

Even if it causes me sadness on huntsman

What class is you cotank? I though war was the best dogger.

[uneven mason]

we are

but he wanted to get used to doing it (Paladin)

so I'm like "Ok I'll sit on my ass"

just in HC tho

[lusty marsh]

I'm running with a pally who feels like a wet paper bag sometimes.

[surreal sinew]

wouldn't brm be better?

[lusty marsh]

Ah

[uneven mason]

🛡️

also we have SR DS and IP for every rip soul

[open monolith]

I don't see a hotfix for reprisal yet HOW IS EVERYONE ENJOYING THEIR NEW LEGENDARY THAT IS WORKING AS INTENDED

[surreal sinew]

yeah but i switched and went from 60K guards to ip

[signal plover]

Our BRM didn't say no when I asked if he wanted to do it

[strong forum]

If you have fleshcraft up it'll cancel the effect of invis pot

[surreal sinew]

and although i love my warrior it still stings a bit ^^

[lusty marsh]

Wait is it broken?

[open monolith]

no no, no... it's working exactly as intended

[sudden flax]

🤫

[lusty marsh]

Ah yes, nothing to see here.

[limpid burrow]

DS?

[swift briar]

Hello

[signal plover]

Demo shout

[limpid burrow]

ah

[swift briar]

Whats the best legendary for protection

?

[open monolith]

yes

[distant meadow]

^

[uneven mason]

that explains what happened on my resto shm

[tardy parcel]

is there any sort of argument for brutal vit over unnerving focus if you're using reprisal (and thus transitioned away from bolster)? my gut says to just stick with focus, but i figure i'd ask

[uneven mason]

No because IP doesn't last long enough to even gain any benefit

[signal plover]

With focus u can just use LS as a DPS cd kek

[lusty marsh]

Maw rattle is best Lego. Summons a rat.

[tardy parcel]

yeah, that's what i figured. thanks

[strong forum]

Ghostwolf also cancels invis pot

:)

[uneven mason]

wtf

[open monolith]

when you say fleshcraft cancels the invis pot

[uneven mason]

is wrong with them

[open monolith]

do you mean like, the passive where you run over a corpse

or specifically the plaguefall buffs

[tardy parcel]

i think it's just the action of casting fleshcraft

[lusty marsh]

Brutal vit makes me sad.

[uneven mason]

its having Fleshcraft up

[tardy parcel]

similarly to how most actions in general will break invis pot (see: the dumdum in a random run i had a few weeks back who thought that you could mount after potting)

[uneven mason]

same with ghostwolf I Guess, the stacking buff ticks

[open monolith]

not based on what @strong forum just said

he said "if you have fleshcraft up"

not "if you used fleshcraft"

obviously anything you cast during an invis pot will cancel it

[tardy parcel]

i see

[cedar nebula]

on prot legendaries, stat wise = haste + vers missives?

[signal plover]

Yeh

[uneven mason]

or haste crit

if you wanna pump

[odd verge]

Ugh. Feels so torn with Kyrian right now with the quality of life aspect of steward and kiting/rooting jumpy trashmobs VS wanting to try necrolord with extra tankiness w/ shield, extra movement utility on bosses like xy'mox and being a bannerboi.

[open monolith]

Don't go Necrolord unless you're a filthy simp

stick to the Path

[signal plover]

Kyrian is comfy :)

[open monolith]

Kyrian is bae.

[signal plover]

Kleia is Max seksy

[open monolith]

Angel Mommies > whatever the fuck necrolords have

[sweet summit]

[odd verge]

mounting in elysian is dreams. kleia is bae.

[lusty marsh]

Wait we are running kleia now?

[signal plover]

My gurl Dafi brews the finest vials

[uneven mason]

But they were mostly dudes in life

[signal plover]

Running a train on he.....I'm sorry

[lusty marsh]

Koukis is bae

[signal plover]

Pretty sure they keep the same genders ikari

[uneven mason]

Someone doesn't read their flavor text

[blazing condor]

He doesnt know pepelaugh

[signal plover]

Lol reading

Tbh

I'm ok with this

When life gives ya pegs...

[open monolith]

Ikarikaze is a transphobe

[uneven mason]

people go on about simping as a NL then being hot for flying smurf mamas ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[open monolith]

yeah big thicc angel mommies are life

[raven kernel]

can warriors soak 2 lines on sire with reflect?

[open monolith]

soak 2 lines...

are you asking if you can reflect a wracking pain?

[tardy parcel]

night hunter

[open monolith]

oh

[signal plover]

Prolly phase 1 soaks?

[uneven mason]

I Mean, you can

it hurts like hell

[lusty marsh]

I could do it no problem on heroic.

[open monolith]

but why would you lol

[uneven mason]

why cross the beams

[open monolith]

that's like one of the easiest mechanics

[jagged pier]

u can soak them all not problem its physical damage

[surreal sinew]

limit's guide to mythic said tanks should from what i remember

[swift briar]

Guys can someone explain what the aure buff is ?

[jagged pier]

on mythic ive seen vids of prots soaking all 3

[uneven mason]

Tell your raiders to stop being flipperhanded monkies and actually separate the lines and get the circle out of the raid

[open monolith]

@swift briar an "aura buff" just means "10% damage to everything"

[remote dawn]

for kyrian go conduits : spear, sof, stalwart, cry/safeguard? or UF

[open monolith]

back in the day they added "auras" to all classes. they are invisible buffs. It allows devs to easily tune everything on a class at the same time

[lusty marsh]

A third on mythic? Man I'm not looking forward to that.

[open monolith]

so rather than adjusting the attack power of every single ability, they just tune the aura by a few percent

[swift briar]

I see i see

[open monolith]

Don't worry Rodarn, you won't ever make it that far 🙂

[lusty marsh]

Shhh

[open monolith]

You'll be stuck on SLG until 9.1

❤️

[uneven mason]

SO back in WOD they created spec auras, which basically include everything that has to do with a spec, (there are class auras as well but those are separated)
Its called an aura, because ot the game system its a hidden "Buff" aura that is persistent and is triggered when you select your spec.

[lusty marsh]

We made it to nzoth and jaina in bfa.... eventually

[open monolith]

Is there an echo in here Ikarikaze?

[signal plover]

Ikari has to finish whatever he started typing even if someone else alrdy typed it

It is known

[open monolith]

Oh. Just type faster, I guess

[uneven mason]

TBH I was reading my other monitor while I typed that

[open monolith]

anyone else wanna unsub and go play FFXIV with me since WoW is bad and 9.0.5 is bad?

[signal plover]

Go ahead

[lusty marsh]

And I'd be lucky if we got past council before 9.1