yes, but are you using the appropriate talents Plka?
#protection
uneven mason
We're good, just had a DPS buff and a lego buff, but we're not the Thunderclap DPS gods of yore
uneven mason
most armor, and only piece that gives "block value" which is basically a 2nd armor check for reduction
teal prawn
We're good, just had a DPS buff and a lego buff, but we're not the Thunderclap D...
awesome thanks for the reply time to grind this 50-60 lol
verbal viper
so everyone is just praying for RNG for shields? or doing pvp?
crisp dragon
This guy trying so hard to log, yet failed so miserably, 3 PIs yet still 400 dps lower xD
uneven mason
so everyone is just praying for RNG for shields? or doing pvp?
yes
delicate thorn
finally got the memory of reprisal, was going to craft a rank 2. Requires 2000 soul ash
I have 1980
fun
uneven mason
This guy trying so hard to log, yet failed so miserably, 3 PIs yet still 400 dps...
the kill time, his relative BL uptime was shorter
his raid failed him Siin
crisp dragon
Maybe cause they didnt PI the right guy xD
mossy sluice
its like 500 dps during lust
delicate thorn
I just give PI to whoever whispers me and asks for it when I raid
uneven mason
I just give PI to whoever whispers me and asks for it when I raid
My priests take bids
lavish oracle
When are y'all using shield wall with Reprisal? I figure it's better to use it early and often with AM but I feel like I have so much block uptime I don't know where to fit it in
uneven mason
When are y'all using shield wall with Reprisal? I figure it's better to use it e...
whenver there is a giant ball of magic heading for my face.
lavish oracle
I like reprisal, a little awkward to use on some tyrannical bosses but none where I've found it super hindering
dusky bridge
i have a question about reprisal. is versa/haste still the way to go? was not one of the main purpose of haste to keep the sb cd as small as possible? (only m+, no raid)
Sorry if this is a dumb question, im pretty new :ยด)
verbal viper
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
this will help
deep steppe
i have a question about reprisal. is versa/haste still the way to go? was not on...
haste vers or haste crit yes
uneven mason
i have a question about reprisal. is versa/haste still the way to go? was not on...
yes because haste is still going to be our #1 RPS stat
deft vessel
I use this instead, it picks either my mouse over target (prio) or if lacking a mouse over target my actual target
/cast [@mouseover,nodead,exists][@target,nodead,exists] Charge
anyway, enough QQ about gear I guess, shield's a shield
I'll just keep farming mists and SLG hoping for a better one
woooooo
-.-
uneven mason
at least if you get a shield in a crappy + you can upgrade it now!
floral pewter
Are you happy with REPRISAL ?
yes, it's very strong and feels great to use
sterile moss
This guy trying so hard to log, yet failed so miserably, 3 PIs yet still 400 dps...
haha yeah I saw that guy on the logs xD
hilarious
sick sentinel
ah, i got the normal mode spike from TW quest, was talking about wanting it earlier haha
sterile moss
love how it shows buffs now
dapper coral
Are you happy with REPRISAL ?
Extremely. Rage for days and easier upkeep on SB. Cranking out 5k+ Revenges on multiple targets is juicy.
lavish oracle
Yeah, easily doing 500 more DPS in dungeons with 9.0.5 buffs + reprisal
mighty valley
sorry went afk there https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Xo16iCf6SYR9FvHBPrZsU
craggy pilot
so which talent in 2nd last row for Prot M+ now?
is Unstoppable Force better than Ravager now?
mighty valley
really don't think so - think it's ravager still for m+, some debate about rav vs. ITF for raid
floral pewter
Thunderclap still does less damage than Revenge, even during UF
mighty valley
it's still spending a GCD that could've been a revenge
floral pewter
good thing Ravager also gives you more rage, to spend on Revenges
and that reprisal does make it free
floral pewter
if Thunderlord were still the play, UF would have a niche for that
but sadly it just doesn't
prisma bear
does the free revenges and/or auto shieldblock given by reprisal count towards anger management ?
dapper coral
no, it's free
sweet summit
sorry went afk there https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Xo16iCf6SYR9FvHBPrZ...
right yea. charge isnt being used outside of the opener, so that makes sense
dapper coral
AM works off rage spent
craggy pilot
so the goto M+ Legendary is still The Wall?
dapper coral
Reprisal
sterile moss
@lime urchin grats! Got mine this week too ๐
mighty valley
Welcome to Scale Club
lime urchin
im crying from joy
dapper coral
hi5 mate
wet compass
alright time to go hit 40 on kyrian then swap to fae
craggy pilot
Reprisal better how? ๐ฎ
sterile moss
yes
signal plover
Yeh
sterile moss
oh I thought you said 'now' lol
dapper coral
signal plover
It was changed in the latest patch.
dapper coral
wasted soul ash*
craggy pilot
can we get 100% uptime on Shield Block with Reprisal?
sterile moss
it is strong because way higher shield block uptime + frees up rage for extra revenges + free revenge
craggy pilot
how does it free up rage?
sterile moss
specifically when you charge in at the start you can grab aggro
dapper coral
by giving your SB on charge/intervene and 20 rage and a free amp'd revenge
vivid glade
What does your rotation look like now?
craggy pilot
ah man
floral pewter
not quite, but it's pretty close
craggy pilot
just made The Wall 235 last week :(((
dapper coral
Reprisal makes Charge give 90 rage worth of stuff
floral pewter
to 100% uptime I mean, missed the reply button
sterile moss
The Wall is still good in raids
cinder nova
Wall is still raid and prog bis
sterile moss
so don't feel bad
cinder nova
And more than acceptable in m+
floral pewter
you can easily have SB up for 30+ seconds straight on every pull
signal plover
While running AM
sterile moss
just get yourself a 190 reprisal soon for m+ and you're set
craggy pilot
190 Reprisal better than 235 Wall?
sterile moss
yeah reprisal's legendary power is easily worth the ~2 ilvl you'll lose overall
craggy pilot
and then i just make a Intervene macro that casts on a random target?
dapper coral
prolly want to have it controlled lol
sterile moss
or mouseover and pick melee targets by mousing over their party frames
craggy pilot
๐
jagged pier
repirsal not that bad on sludge tbh
craggy pilot
can intervene to healer, and charge back in
dapper coral
intervene a melee to not leave melee range, intervene a ranged to leave melee range
craggy pilot
for 2 stacks Shield Block lul
lavish oracle
Did they fix reprisal SB duration yet?
jagged pier
not the whole fight tho
dapper coral
still 6
lavish oracle
Weird
sterile moss
Did they fix reprisal SB duration yet?
I don't know what you're talking about
orchid frigate
can i see in details if i accidently taunted?
jagged pier
can look at casts
craggy pilot
what did Reprisal do before?
dapper coral
Wasted Soul Ash
lavish oracle
Something worthless
uneven mason
what did Reprisal do before?
vomited on your shoes and laughed at you
sterile moss
give you a free ignore pain and a stronger revenge or something
lavish oracle
Free IP and 200% revenge damage
grizzled forge
whats yalls IP uptime in keys overall?
dapper coral
IP means no Revenge
lavish oracle
The uptime isn't really going to tell you anything
sterile moss
rule of thumb: use IP only if you fear you'll die
uneven mason
IF its dead, it can't cause me pain to ignore.
jagged pier
whats yalls IP uptime in keys overall?
if its a 15 pretty much 0
because i hardly press it
lavish oracle
Cast IP when you need extra mitigation beyond SB, don't overcap it
No hard and fast rule for it
sterile moss
or if the healer desperately needs help healing the group, etc.
floral pewter
uptime seems like a weird thing to measure for IP
uneven mason
uptime seems like a weird thing to measure for IP
right, since it gets used almost instantly
% mitigated would be more like it
floral pewter
if I've got a bad healer and I'm spamming it to survive, my IP healing is about twice as much as Indomitable
vague jetty
To be fair
lavish oracle
Yeah, taking damage is gonna reduce your IP uptime, lol
vague jetty
You could look at uptime as an inverse sign of bad usage
uneven mason
You could look at uptime as an inverse sign of bad usage
โ๏ธ This man is big thunker
vague jetty
If your IPs are up for along time, itโs likely bad usage
sterile moss
floral pewter
so like, if you're dying and also IP is your #4 healing, probably use it more
inland garnet
Reprisal goes with AM, right? It's enough to keep SB up without the need to opt for Bolster?
floral pewter
if you're constantly at full HP and you're outhealing the healer, cast IP less
dapper coral
yup
inland garnet
๐
next apex
legs or feet for reprisal
dapper coral
legs unless you're killing M SLG
next apex
feet it is then. Kappa
mighty valley
feel like I don't have to storm bolt that much in good groups, but the second I don't have it, I'll miss it
floral pewter
Double Time is convenient, more because you're less restricted by using it exactly on CD
uneven mason
feel like I don't have to storm bolt that much in good groups, but the second I ...
Its always going to come down to this.
floral pewter
but it's not critical
plush tendon
I forgot how great it was to have two charges, now that Im using double time...I dont want to go back
next apex
banner is pretty pog
plush tendon
I went for the mog
fresh belfry
fleshcraft is
next apex
Avatar + banner makes u Humogoid
fresh belfry
big
plush tendon
The banner is only a plus since it also goes with the mog
grand spruce
So what would be the recommended talents for M+ with reprisal?
grand spruce
ty
fringe marten
Yeah in bfa the 2 charges and intervene using the same charges and same cd was great. Going back to 1 and intervene as its own ability and longer timer fealt like dookie at start of sl
uneven mason
TFW we had Warbringer
and nothing will ever beat that
non DR AE Stun on charge/intervene
๐ข
sinful stone
what was reprisal prior to patch?
signal plover
Shit
uneven mason
Vomit shoes
sweet summit
when you intervene an attack you gain ignore pain or something
uneven mason
you'd barf in your boots and slop around in them
literally gave you ignore pain AFTER You get hit with the intervened attack too
fucking 9000IQ developer worked on that
sinful stone
i see
is it recommended to spec unstoppable force when picking AM or still using ravager?
orchid frigate
something bugged with spawning at the right place after generals?
sweet summit
no
verbal pelican
I guess sire ring outweights at 207 any other 200 m+ rings, even if it was haste/versa? ๐ 119hast/54versa vs 145has/40 mast
orchid frigate
have to run from the beginning all the time
floral pewter
something bugged with spawning at the right place after generals?
if you use the skip on heroic, it spawns you at the door for some reason
doesn't do it on normal, and idk about mythic
orchid frigate
ah
uneven mason
I'm so bored with NF, but I can't quit Niya
signal plover
Yeah it's a bug with the HC skip it's weird
uneven mason
something bugged with spawning at the right place after generals?
Literally save more time reclearing the whole place than using that skip and wiping twice on Sire
At least they did Sire's respawn right - at his door
saves sanity after 93pulls
fringe marten
It was weird..your next revenge after an intervene did 200% more damage..and one other thing?
uneven mason
It was weird..your next revenge after an intervene did 200% more damage..and one...
IF You intervened an attack
mighty valley
also the person you intervened actually had to get hit
uneven mason
you couldn't just intervene and get damage
mighty valley
yeah, that was the worst part
uneven mason
you had to intervene someone getting hit
Literally trash
Remember when they were going to give us a lego that let Revenge reset SB charges
and then went "oh wait, only VDH should have a legendary that gives 100% uptime on a massive DR CD"
mighty valley
oh hey, early logs pointing to us not being dead last in tank damage any more
sinful stone
is it recommended to spec unstoppable force when picking AM or still using ravager?
uneven mason
is it recommended to spec unstoppable force when picking AM or still using ravag...
no
UF still dead
UF has anti synergy with AM
its GCDs used building rage, not spending it.
fringe marten
YUP that was it..it gave you.ip AFTER you took a hit after intervene.. i remember when i first got and read it..i couldnt believe how bad it was.
uneven mason
ravager - 1 GCD big rage
sinful stone
ok that makes sense, thx
lyric leaf
the typical question (and million dollar one) r we going to be the new meta? ๐ค
uneven mason
Imagine if it gave your intervene target IP and whne that IP faded you get 200% revenge for 10s
hoary jackal
how are you all playing reprisal in raid? trying to charge in on tank swaps? or using intervene on co tank?
uneven mason
how are you all playing reprisal in raid? trying to charge in on tank swaps? o...
eh I think TW is sitll the go to
lyric leaf
the typical question (and million dollar one) r we going to be the new meta? ๐ค
for m+ i mean
uneven mason
Since leaper doesn't fire ravagers out of our ass yet, no
signal plover
Def not the million dollar question
uneven mason
ALthough that would be an amazing lego
signal plover
Always in for butt stuff
amber herald
not heard of the leaper/whirlwind build??
sinful stone
does signet work with prot ravager in this patch or still no
uneven mason
"Heroic Leap fires a shockwave that slows enemies and deals (how much does decree do?) damage to all targets within 30 yards of impact"
fringe marten
In legion..my gear loadout for world questing was the leap shoulders and run boots...every time i swapped OFF that suit..i was soo slowwwww and sad :(
smoky wave
zomg, they nerfed my shield. It's TINY
uneven mason
that Xmog
verbal pelican
I guess sire ring outweights at 207 any other 200 m+ rings, even if it was haste...
i answered myself didn't i? ๐
fringe marten
Even if other legendaries gave you heroism (sephuz..later on) if you did tons more damage (kakushan gloves) or self healed a lot..like we do now ( mannoroth bracer) NOTHING fulfills warrior fantasy or feels as fun..as leaping around all over and running fasssst.
uneven mason
Legion critical blocks
mossy sluice
aggramar never 5get
uneven mason
Stopping more damage in 1 thunk than your entire raid has in total
verbal pelican
Was legion prot artifact as shitty as everyone says?
brittle owl
verbal pelican
seems a lot of legion was moved into shadowlands talents/leggys
spiral perch
haste + versa on pants prot legendary right?
candid valley
Anyone try out the banner buff in a raid setting yet? Iโm thirsting to test it in our alt raid Friday ๐ค
uneven mason
Was legion prot artifact as shitty as everyone says?
It was good for its purpose, except it did zero damage and forces you to stand still for 4s
chilly brook
The ability was good when it was good
It just wasn't worth pressing a lot of the time
uneven mason
but being able to force a critical block at 40stacks on HC Argus
literally stop a planets worth of damage
chilly brook
I'd honestly love to see it return
There wouldn't be much of a downside to it being baselined
uneven mason
There wouldn't be much of a downside to it being baselined
Tie it to berserker rage
chilly brook
The only difference I'd like to see is the ability to move
uneven mason
no need for a new button
barren socket
can I run specific hc dungeons for renown or it will only drop in random hc's?
midnight jetty
i take it bonesmith is the best soulbind for prot warr as necro?
cinder nova
Is ITF or rav better ST dps
uneven mason
none really stand out
sweet summit
sim it
cinder nova
Ah fuck figured
uneven mason
Is ITF or rav better ST dps
We're not sure right now ๐
midnight jetty
emeni? @uneven mason
potent thistle
Best soulbind is Eminem
chilly brook
Tie it to berserker rage
No I like my fear immune being just a fear immune
uneven mason
emeni? <@!123448908838862849>
Princess Eminem
sweet summit
emeni yes
midnight jetty
ok
potent thistle
My knees were weak and palms were sweaty but i chose Emeni
uneven mason
enjoy your 28% str
hoary jackal
@uneven mason ok good to know. the wowhead article yesterday suggested reprisal was the go to legendary. but maybe that was a typo
timber lagoon
yEh
uneven mason
its not effectiv to use in all raiding situations
You don't have a ton of opportunity to use it on most fights is what i Mean
like, some fights fully using reprisal is just going to flat get you murdered.
timber lagoon
Anyone tried Reprisal in keys with BSC over BV?
uneven mason
everyone
ionic fern
It's using Charge at the beginning of combat and then keeps using it mid combat.
The only thing it's not using currently is INtervene.
timber lagoon
Pog
uneven mason
BSC is the play
jagged pier
yes because thats what u should run
timber lagoon
Large pog
grand drum
friendship ended with thunderlord. now reprisal is my best friend
uneven mason
friendship ended with thunderlord. now reprisal is my best friend
Thunderlord was like that friend from college who crashed on your couch for 4 months and ate all the chips drank all the beer and never paid rent
Never should have let them in the first place.
grand drum
Reprisal is that friend who turned his life around
uneven mason
Right
timber lagoon
I never crafted TL 
hoary jackal
@uneven mason this is just wrong then. https://www.wowhead.com/guides/best-legendary-all-shadowlands-dps-tank-healer-classes-raids-mythic-plus#protection-warrior
crisp dragon
How to relist myself as Looking for guild on wowprogress? I cant make myself show up
uneven mason
In general yes, Llarold is a smart dude, but he's just way over humping reprisal, its like, literally not possible to make appropriate use of it in many mythic fights
ionic fern
uneven mason
If you are zipping around like a nutter
quartz gate
Quick question: The Druid and Priest in our groups constantly get popped out of invis potions right after they used them. This only happens if all 5 stealth and go together.. has this happened to anyone else? Its always happening in NW if we try to skip.. maybe its an ability kicking them out but they claim its not. What are we missing? Or is this a bug? I start to feel kinda stupid trying to figure out why....
sweet summit
mwahi are u sure
uneven mason
your DPS are going to hate you
ionic fern
Am i sure about what?
sweet summit
on the charge
sweet summit
i cant see it in the apl
only "actions+=/charge,if=time=0"
thats the only charge in the apl
ionic fern
Then it's not updated yet
sweet summit
aahh fair enough
sweet summit
Quick question: The Druid and Priest in our groups constantly get popped out of ...
yseras gift/necrolord auto consume fucks it atm
midnight jetty
how come wowhead says bonesmith is bis?
uneven mason
So @hoary jackal I wouldn't say he's wrong, I'm saying that for general raiders, reprisal in raid requires too much movement with many fights having puddles, cleaves etc..for a tank to be out of position so often. I'll probably give it a go tonight in my clear, but its probably going to be obnoxious, and deprives us of a frequent SW use, without much RPS gain for using TW
Ike the one fight that super benefits from the increased SB uptime
is the only fight that you literally 100% cannot use it on
and running out to force a revenge
just feels bad
since you're going to lose your auto
which is going to lose your SS resets
mossy peak
so begins the age of bosses jerking around all over the place because of parse whoring prot warriors
sterile hearth
Hi. I'm kyrian convenant. Is it still the best for prot?
mossy peak
there is a completely valid argument for all covenants as prot
nothing is universally best
plucky rampart
does haste lose value now as we have great SB uptime with the leggo?
grand drum
no, our abilities are multiples of the gcd so more haste=more gcds=more rage
barren summit
how does the 9.0.5 changes feel untill now in m+?
mighty valley
Good, big block uptime, feeling flush with rage
plucky rampart
Thanks guys!
uneven mason
Hi. I'm kyrian convenant. Is it still the best for prot?
Welcome to the land of pick the Xmog you enjoy the most.
mossy peak
well that's just going to result in more necros isn't it
uneven mason
its been raining meta chasers all day in here.
potent thistle
Yeah, rage seems plentiful right now
solemn magnet
how come wowhead says bonesmith is bis?
Bonesmith is more consistent than enemi
bleak plaza
emeni gives more to your team though
floral pewter
does haste lose value now as we have great SB uptime with the leggo?
we're still below 100% uptime, and faster SB means fewer janky charge maneuvers, so haste isn't losing any value
spiral perch
Haste and vers on reprisal?
floral pewter
mastery might go up in value though?
bleak plaza
and if you're necro you already are giving more to your team then yourself
uneven mason
Haste and vers on reprisal?
or haste/crit
floral pewter
I doubt that puts it above haste still
sweet summit
haste vers is good yes
solemn magnet
Thats assuming your team is near by. If you don't run with any melee, or only one it's not a huge benefit
mossy peak
haste vers to be safe, haste crit to be spicy
shell hare
BSC or BV?
shell hare
Ty
ornate sky
oh, necro banner just sticks to two people when you use it... doesn't change if someone else comes closer
sweet summit
yep
spiral perch
or haste/crit
Why crit?
mossy peak
dps
spiral perch
Ohh
mossy peak
the general rule of thumb for tanking is - once you've met your baseline for survival, you want to be doing something else
a druid might cat/chicken weave or heal
we can't
so we dps
so once you're at a comfortable level of tankiness for your content, looking at things like crit, or dps trinkets
becomes more and more of a consideration
uneven mason
so once you're at a comfortable level of tankiness for your content, looking at ...
all of our BiS trinkets are pewpew
scale is insane burst slappy and defensive
deep steppe
Scale is ๐
mossy peak
as i said, general rule of thumb stuff
the nature of its application varies patch by patch
cinder nova
Think Rav is better on SLG? ๐ค
sweet summit
hc or mythic
cinder nova
H
sweet summit
if it sims higher on 2 targets
cinder nova
How do I check that
signal plover
Hmmmm, I should know this, but does LOS prevent rallying cry buff application
jagged pier
anyone got 5 mins to look at sludgefist mythic logs?
quaint spade
How do people track party member's offensive CDs for necro banner? Is there a wa/addon?
jagged pier
omnicd
torpid wolf
Thoughts on our second talent row?
I usually go Rumbling for M+ for maximum cc on big pulls but with reprisal I'm considering DT
verbal pelican
cloak enchant - speed or leech?
plush tendon
obviously speed
strong forum
meh...
plush tendon
zoom zoom
topaz perch
so necro is good now ?
mossy peak
necro is good if you plan around it and use it in your group well
otherwise the others are still more independently powerful/useful
plush tendon
Necro is good, its also good considering there are very few specs who play necro
lucid cedar
Idk if this is Reverberation buff or just the 10% on all skills but I end up every dungeon with 5k DPS overalls
signal plover
Both
verbal pelican
tbh necro seems like a quick fix for all the magic damage
plush tendon
not really
echo egret
Did anyone design a fancy set of weakauras to handle the new Reprisal legendary ?
ebon hound
not really, i added a condition when my shield block duration was above 12s so i dont waste anything
torpid wolf
Does SB give dim. returns after 12 s?
sweet summit
18
hollow bolt
new leggo feels fucking poggers
north rampart
Anyone tried the necrolord explodibg rate leggo?
hollow bolt
im lazy and still runing bolster 73-77% uptime on shieldblock and revenge fucking smacks now
torpid wolf
Don't you get damn near 99% uptime without bolster already?
uneven mason
Don't you get damn near 99% uptime without bolster already?
bolster SB ignores the buff cap
so the 15s from bolster doesn't dip into the 18s cap
north rampart
Any good videos of reverb tanks slapping?
uneven mason
check Plka but I think Plka was doing a super secret 9.0.5 talent build yesterday
last yew
really?
harsh sandal
I like the sound of that
last yew
me too
strong forum
yeah i was omega comfy
last yew
are you going necro?
strong forum
no
last yew
kyrian?
undone patrol
hey gamers
strong forum
yes kyrian
undone patrol
should i craft repisal on legs or feet
strong forum
legs
last yew
would you go necro if you were starting now?
uneven mason
legs has bigger budget, but if you're doing mythic SLG go feet?
uneven mason
would you go necro if you were starting now?
optimizing NL requires high coordination in your group
if you're starting out and pugging, you're not going to make very good use of it.
uneven mason
9.1 might not have "better" legs
๐
strong forum
only did 4.6k overall cuz we died 4 times to the same fucking boss
game is shit
hate storming
degenerate affix
jagged pier
@nome this is sludge still trying to figure out if its worth
deep steppe
Storming legitimately makes me feel ok for not playing M+ for a week
cause storming is doodoo
deep steppe
@nome this is sludge still trying to figure out if its worth
thats with reprisal?
jagged pier
yus
deep steppe
jagged pier
its odd its great but i cant tell if its worth it
ionic fern
Is..is this how VDH's feel like?
sterile moss
lol why did you ask him who is necro xD
deep steppe
"Imagine how much better i'd be if you went necro" - him prolly
ionic fern
Cause i had a warrior in my group and i wanted to yell at him.
sterile moss
baiting fotm vibes
sterile moss
ah I just noticed the blue name
sick sentinel
Whatโs uptime on SB suppose to be through an entire M+ run
strong forum
70%++++
ionic fern
I just got 83% blocked hits without really optimizing Reprisal. ๐
strong forum
i had 75%
sick sentinel
70% that with reprisal
strong forum
without optimizing
sterile moss
double time, Mwahi?
jagged pier
Mwahi always runs DT
uneven mason
Signet or Reprisal for max DPS in raid?
ionic fern
Jep. But as i said..i diddn't really optimise it. ๐ฆ
uneven mason
going signet I think
sick sentinel
Is there a trick to optimizing?
sick sentinel
Okay fair lol
ionic fern
๐
sick sentinel
Charge SB intervene SB charge again kinda thing?
sterile moss
Signet or Reprisal for max DPS in raid?
the top parser on hc sire used reprisal
ionic fern
Charge SB intervene SB charge again kinda thing?
Diddn't use INtervene on CD and diddn't Leap->Charge mid pack.
strong forum
same
delicate thorn
why are the 210 shadowghast greaves more expensive on the AH than the 225 ones? What is this scam
low kindle
Reprisal is 100% the play for M+ actually so much rage
uneven mason
because not everyone megabanked soul ash for the rank 4
or rank 3
Also not many smiths will produce the rank 2s because its not feasible if you can make the rank 4s
jaunty vector
boooots?
delicate thorn
yeah I'll just make the rank 1 for now I guess to try them out
uneven mason
also the rank 4 greaves are 100k gold
big oof
I bought my rank 4 for erm like 20k
when I saw reprisal coming down the pipes
delicate thorn
it doesn't really matter I have 5.5mil gold, but it's the principle of the thing
uneven mason
we are afterall, the most proactive tank
uneven mason
it doesn't really matter I have 5.5mil gold, but it's the principle of the thing
I mean, IDK if you've checked how much it costs in mats to be able to even MAKE rank 4s
But 100k I would say is a pretty fair price to compensate
delicate thorn
yeah I'm a tailor on my main so I looked at crafting rank 4 there, not nice
uneven mason
mmhmm
jaunty vector
you guys making it on boots or leggers?
uneven mason
legs
jaunty vector
hmmm
forest ibex
covenant... kyrian > NF > NL > venthyr? if not super organized group in which case NL goes first
sweet summit
pmuch ye
outer solstice
I'd say Kyrian >= NF > NL >= Ventyr
kyrian and NF are pretty damn close
and ventyr is still hanging in
ornate sky
NL doesn't really need an organised group.. just 2 ppl with a 2min cd
you just use it when next to them and charge
deep steppe
NL doesn't really need an organised group.. just 2 ppl with a 2min cd
it requires more organization than a random, no talking pug group
jagged pier
well moonkin u have to wait for 3 mins
so do u buff one of them
or both when the mooinkin has no cds
deep steppe
If you dont use it during big CD's it loses lots of value
jagged pier
how are they using them in the dungeon
usually ppl stagger their cds
well from what ive found
ornate sky
its value with improper cd's is high anyway
jagged pier
or also just pop them when they are up
deep steppe
but not higher than Kyrian or NF
jagged pier
so they will never match each other
ornate sky
is this from feelycraft
ornate sky
it talks about a hit to personal dps
deep steppe
it also says "if you are mostly PuG'ging keys you will be better off as a Kyrian/NF."
jagged pier
it also say ' as long as you can co-ordinate the usage of the mastery buff'
deep steppe
they also did a
google doc earlier today
that showed from sims the dps gain of the different specs with the banner
remote hawk
Sooo got Stone legion heraldry in my vault. Solid pick for prot y ?
deep steppe
like half-ish of the dps, its not worth
patent osprey
If you have a mage in the group, play around the mage
its hard to play around boomies since they hold CA so much
vague jetty
Where is this said spreadsheet
deep steppe
Where is this said spreadsheet
patent osprey
so if CA is less than 30 seconds away, Id hold for ca
ripe seal
Sooo got Stone legion heraldry in my vault. Solid pick for prot y ?
Yeah It's solid, specially If put In a vers group
remote hawk
ty
ornate sky
these all assume using on a 2min cd just like priests did with pi
primal mauve
are you guys using Shield block and Ignore Pain at the same time?
uneven mason
you can
IP is for smoothign when you're taking a ton of dmg
or yoru healer dies
or magic
Mostly magic
wanton condor
(also ele's sims are kind of scuffed for aoe and the ST one isn't optimized yet, but it'll be total LMAO tier regardless)
feral gale
are you guys using Shield block and Ignore Pain at the same time?
yes, you should have rage for both in basically any scenario, just don't blow 80 rage on a double IP it's a trap
hardy radish
are you guys using Shield block and Ignore Pain at the same time?
absolutely, and unless you're taking pure magical you should prioritize SB over IP
torn gust
lol wasting rage on shieldblock :v
just charge :y
sweet summit
strong forum
hardy radish
true tbh
how much does it suck that the first week after we get buffed and get a chance to just go ham on some trash it's bolstering and storming ๐คฎ
uneven mason
Quite positive that it was intentional.
sick sentinel
that's going to feel really weird to me
uneven mason
having avatar every pack
feral gale
to have avatar BACK ON THE MENU
sick sentinel
whole time i was told to use ravager and so i did, and now there seems to be a better build, that uses new talents
deep steppe
ravager is still the pick
uneven mason
ravager still prob the go to
feral gale
ravager is the play jinx people above me
uneven mason
you were like 9 seconds late
feral gale
yeah cuz i added the failsafe jinx
deep steppe
obtuse prism
that is so the wrong meme
hardy radish
look I'll just say it, I hope unstoppable force stays gone for good
obtuse prism
you gotta use the "meat is back on the menu boys"
hexed nest
So BSC or BV?
uneven mason
look I'll just say it, I hope unstoppable force stays gone for good
SHould frame this.
uneven mason
So BSC or BV?
bsc
deep steppe
So BSC or BV?
BSC with reprisal, BV without
hexed nest
Is prot damage as high as dh now?
hardy radish
if I wanted 1 button to be half my rotation I'd play DH :p
uneven mason
nnnnnnnnnnno
deep steppe
if I wanted 1 button to be half my rotation I'd play DH :p
dont bully them man, they only have 2 buttons
uneven mason
dont bully them man, they only have 2 buttons
3 because decree
deep steppe
3 because decree
feral gale
if I wanted 1 button to be half my rotation I'd play DH :p
excuse me SIGILS HELLO, but yes 2 buttons lol
amber siren
has anyone had an issue with the portals in ToP sending you backwards into trash instead of continuing the route?
timid saddle
Guys, I aint played prot since BFA, can I tank a 15 with out eating the floor to much? I gotta get keystone master and I gotta tank it with my friends.
deep steppe
Guys, I aint played prot since BFA, can I tank a 15 with out eating the floor to...
Si. Several of us already got KSM before the buffs we got this week
hardy radish
has anyone had an issue with the portals in ToP sending you backwards into trash...
yes, sometimes it takes us under the platforms and bugs out and sends you somewhere weird
deep steppe
although the floor is tasty so, ๐คทโโ๏ธ
hardy radish
no idea why :\
amber siren
this game sometimes man
forest ibex
before I commit to NF: were there major changes for dps taking them away from NF, or 90% of them still NF? kinda lame if the entire party has the same covenant
deep steppe
before I commit to NF: were there major changes for dps taking them away from NF...
NF is BIS for fury as far as i know
forest ibex
NF is BIS for fury as far as i know
yeah I play fury a lot too, that's why I was thinking about NF, since Kyrian wouldn't be very useful for it and NL seems a bit unreliable since I don't have a fixed team to play with
but having the same covenant as 90% of the player base sucks (m+ perspective)
deep steppe
but having the same covenant as 90% of the player base sucks (m+ perspective)
to be fair its only like 75% ๐
but i mean from what i've seen, NF and Kyrian are the two biggest so
either way you're "stuck with a chunk" of players
deep steppe
Is that on mythic? If so Iโm curious how you got so much uptime with the chains
jagged pier
im not charging on cd
deep steppe
deep steppe
Were you just intervening a lot or? Just charging back in after slams?
jagged pier
not that much
let me check real quick
7 times
but i basically just hold it for when i have nothing
could probs use it less tbh
jagged pier
sludge is a very predictable fight
sick sentinel
Did they fix reprisal yet?
jagged pier
its not broken?
broken cedar
feel like im running out of keybinds, any handy macros people recommended? I've got the charge/intervene on mouseover one but was hoping to free up another 2 keybinds or so
timid saddle
sludge is a very predictable fight
What leggo where you using?
jagged pier
reprisal
timid saddle
Ohhhhhhh, how is it? You just intervene the other tank?
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AvQz72jDWqmRVwX6 @deep steppe these are the logs im using DR as it was the most consistant high damage i could get as im not using the leggo on cd and BV was alright but i was wasting a lot of rage
sick sentinel
Is it still lasting 6 seconds instead of 4 like tool tip is calling for?
sterile moss
I can see a melee getting slapped if you intervene to them
strong forum
cuz i think the coding is fucked
since the leggo says grants shieldblock
and doesnt say grants shieldblock for X seconds
jagged pier
๐คซ
sick sentinel
Small indie company
strong forum
good indie company
cosmic oasis
its pretty good on hunter too
vocal cave
hi, do I use necrolord potency conduit or is it bad? the strength % increase during banner?
strong forum
its good
amber siren
it's good, esp if youre using emeni
strong forum
makes the banner almost a dps gain
unique shale
only condenm
our tank in raid lost aggro to me cause i hit two condenm for 20k ๐๐
waxen cradle
People are like hurr durr stupid in keys this week. You tell them "nuke down evenly do not bolster like 3 or 4 times" and they hear HURR DURR bolster 5 times.... hurr durr
idle swan
I haven't really played a tonne of prot warrior since the very beginning of SL. Is there a reason people are taking ravager over AM? I would have thought more uptime on avatar would be where it's at
blazing condor
anyone got a good plaguefall route? semi pug-friendly
blazing condor
preferably pride for boss 3
unique shale
I haven't really played a tonne of prot warrior since the *very* beginning of SL...
ravager sim higher then UF and give rage too
unique shale
I haven't really played a tonne of prot warrior since the *very* beginning of SL...
with wall you never go AM unless it is raid
cinder nova
You can easily Wall and AM in keys below 20.
unique shale
if you can Survive it 
shell iris
Are we decent now?
amber siren
that's a bit of a loaded question but sure
twilit jay
i mean i feel a lot better with reprisal, makes pulls a lot less hectic
deep steppe
^
shell iris
Still the "worst"?
unique shale
i donโt care we are bottom tier or not but i still play doom eternal soundtrack on the background and rock and roll with my prot war
deep steppe
Still the "worst"?
so no
strong forum
And higher dmg
unique shale
monk yiks
unique shale
i donโt know should i make reperisal since 9.1 is close and they can just ninja nerf it within hotfix ๏ฟผ
deep steppe
i donโt know should i make reperisal since 9.1 is close and they can just ninja ...
define "close"
deep steppe
yeah its not close lmao
oblique pike
question about valor points. if i dont gain or use valor points, i'll have the same amount of valor points next week as someone who obtains the max both this week and next week, right?
deep steppe
its very worth crafting reprisal
strong forum
Yes drowsy
outer bronze
reprisal is amazing
strong forum
There is no drawback if you farm it next week instead of this week
The cap is accumulative
oblique pike
great. less shit i HAVE to do any week
unique shale
i donโt have enough soul ash this week anyway so i make it next hopefully
strong forum
I mean there is already nothing to do at all in the game
unique shale
i miss wall ๐ฉ
strong forum
You won't miss wall since you get to play AM in keys
outer bronze
great. less shit i HAVE to do any week
theres barely anything you have to do rn wdym
strong forum
Same CD
oblique pike
it adds up when you play 7 toons
unique shale
ture
deep steppe
it adds up when you play 7 toons
omg y
oblique pike
playing 1 toon gets boring
strong forum
Imagine enjoying the game this much
delicate thorn
Tested out Reprisal now by doing the 5 timewalking dungeons for the weekly quest. It was pretty fun
strong forum
To play more than 1 char
deep steppe
there are other games besides wow you know 
amber siren
7 toons
strong forum
there are other games besides wow you know <a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
I wish
oblique pike
other games suck
crimson furnace
guys, i enjoy doing the devastates and play with punish, is that ok? i feel weird....
oblique pike
or have too big a learning curve i dont care to go through
sudden flax
so... funny story, in the middle of the raid, right before me getting shrek'd by daddy, i got this achievement
sudden flax
i was confused at first, until i remembered that i am using this trinket atm
strong forum
so... funny story, in the middle of the raid, right before me getting shrek'd by...
Yeah alot of people seem to get that
sudden flax
i guess it counts
mild ruin
2 questions if you dont mind, firstly, for first legendary for Prot warrior, is reprisal now the goto if able to utilise it properly in M+?
Secondly i believe there is a link going around that shows the benefit every class / spec gets from banner, is that on here anywhere?
strong forum
2 questions if you dont mind, firstly, for first legendary for Prot warrior, is ...
It's on Archimtiros' twitter.
And yes reprisal
sudden flax
i am now considering switching to another trinket...
strong forum
Cheat death trinkets are weird anyway
crimson furnace
It's worse
โค๏ธ
unique shale
if 9.1 three month away i want to try out new covenant on my prot war any suggestion. i am currently a venthyr. ๏ฟผ๏ฟผ
sudden flax
necro
sudden flax
boomkins in my guild are currently literally licking my feet
delicate thorn
fleshcraft feels so much better now with the shorter channel
unique shale
boomkins in my guild are currently literally licking my feet
why XD
shut summit
want dat 
forest ibex
how does reprisal go with night fae, we waste the after effect having to intervene + charge back in or can be done quickly enough if timed well?
unique shale
sudden flax
roughly this
strong forum
how does reprisal go with night fae, we waste the after effect having to interve...
You still have regular shieldblock
unique shale
gtg find some druids friends ๏ฟผ
strong forum
You overestimate how much you have to move around with reprisal...
strong forum
If you have big daddy haste, you don't need to intervene and charge as much anyway
unique shale
btw what is key to have easier swaping between covenants ? ๏ฟผ
strong forum
Idk never swapped and don't plan on swapping
deep steppe
^
strong forum
Too lazy 
deep steppe
Swol-kins 4lyfe
unique shale
i heard if you have 4 characters on 4 different covenant you can swap between them without farming renown ๏ฟผ๏ฟผ๏ฟผ
torn garden
Citation needed
deep steppe
i heard if you have 4 characters on 4 different covenant you can swap between th...
if by "Swap between them" you mean log into a different toon
then yes
shut summit
think they meant swapping chars, ya
sand condor
Imagine not being lazy
deep steppe
Imagine not being lazy
can't, too lazy
delicate thorn
Imagine not being lazy
gross
torn garden
Imagine not being lazy
I would but canโt be bothered
sand condor
I leveled a char over 2 days and wabt to cry
Legit I canโt torture myself for that
4 times
torn garden
I already have 3. I hope itโs true
sand condor
I have.. 2 I play
wet compass
does the buying xmog items and reselling still work to xfer anima when you dump a cov?
floral pewter
btw what is key to have easier swaping between covenants ? ๏ฟผ
if you're swapping back to one you've left before, swap on Monday, do the first weekly, then on Tuesday do the second weekly, done
if you're swapping to a new one, run LFR for some fast renown
floral pewter
how does reprisal go with night fae, we waste the after effect having to interve...
AA lasts 12 seconds, so if you have >12 seconds of the buff already, you don't have to move until it ends
solar spear
man demo shout feels so bad without booming voice in this new build
lucid cedar
๐คซ
shut summit
analog lantern
We use AM with reprisal, right?
wet compass
floral pewter
man demo shout feels so bad without booming voice in this new build
baseline Demo Shout is an incredibly boring button
should not be on GCD
wet compass
demo shout is great but yeah defensives should not be on gcd
cinder nova
TBH i'm okay with it.
Being able to be more deliberate with it instead of wringing it the fuck out for rage is fine with me.
Besides you can still use it on pull anyway
chilly brook
Pretty sure it used to not be on gcd
BFA it was tolerable on GCD because BV
But now that we potentially dont run BV......
solar spear
Being able to be more deliberate with it instead of wringing it the fuck out for...
no rage without the talent ๐ฆ literally feels like taking a second to yell at the boss lol
wet compass
good news anima transfer still works
wicked vault
naive swan
Are we taking Best Served Cold now instead of BV?
chilly brook
Big strength
naive swan
With reprisal i mean
idle swan
I'm still very unsure about my talents, particularly if I'm wanting to swap from Wall to Reprisal. Can anyone give me their thoughts on this? (Necrowarrior)
deep steppe
take Ravager over UF
amber siren
use ravager
deep steppe
otherwise is good
craggy pilot
what talent to go in row 50 as Prot in M+?
Bolster less viable when i have Reprisal?
craggy pilot
so like this?
naive swan
Makes sense
amber herald
so like this?
yep although doubletime/storm bolt and crackling/bounding are preference
naive swan
What about into the fray?
amber herald
so feel free to swap if you need
chilly brook
I mean for keys
deep steppe
What about into the fray?
only in raid
chilly brook
Stormbolt isn't preference
naive swan
Gotcha
amber herald
I was speaking very generally
chilly brook
Storm bolt is the pick for keys
amber herald
it is for pugs
craggy pilot
bounding stride why?
craggy pilot
with no Bolster, should i switch my Unnerving Focus Conduit?
chilly brook
bounding stride why?
For the most part the range increase on thunderclap is negligible
amber herald
bounding stride why?
because crackling is kind of meh is all
amber herald
actually with reprisal now I might change what I said
amber herald
probably want bounding for the QOL on charging back into packs
chilly brook
Because everything was already in range of your clap
chilly brook
Seismic isn't thunderclap
craggy pilot
with Crackling + Unstoppable + Booming
chilly brook
Its revenge
craggy pilot
i know, but it would be cool
amber herald
thunderclap just isn't good anymore
amber herald
most theory crafters at the start of the expac thought that would be the build
but it was quickly changed
craggy pilot
do i switch Unnerving Focus when i have no Bolster?
chilly brook
Wat
amber herald
nah keep unnverving
chilly brook
No one said run UF/seismic in here
amber herald
it's good with AM
chilly brook
amber herald
wowhead and icyveins had it up for a while
craggy pilot
trying to get better at clicking Revenge
so i literally dont want to click TC at all?
amber herald
nah I remember I only started tanking this patch so I went looking for builds and that was the build very early on
like first two weeks
chilly brook
IV always said that Rav/bolster was the better play for m+
If you read the talent portion.
floral pewter
definitely click TC, it's still damage and rage
amber herald
no you press TC for 5 rage and aoe threat/dmg it's just the very bottom of our priority list
craggy pilot
ye so i dont click it on CD
floral pewter
but it's kinda low priority, and not worth building around
craggy pilot
ok, how often do i click IP then?
amber herald
don't click it over other things if you have enough rage to use your spells
craggy pilot
if i have 100% uptime on Shield Block with reprisal, do i need to IP?
idle swan
For the way banner works now, should I be using intervene on say, the fire mage in the back, popping banner, and charging back in?
floral pewter
if i have 100% uptime on Shield Block with reprisal, do i need to IP?
sometimes you need to stack IP and SB, sometimes you don't need IP even outside SB
it just depends on how much damage you're taking and how much the healer is struggling
craggy pilot
"sometimes" ๐ rip me
amber herald
IP is there to make your health go down smoother
craggy pilot
was literally dumping all my rage into IP prior to this
and not spending any rage on Revenge
amber herald
so it depends on if you need IP or not whether you use
chilly brook
"sometimes" ๐ rip me
It's actually incredibly simple
craggy pilot
which is why i ran TC build
amber herald
was literally dumping all my rage into IP prior to this
sadge
craggy pilot
because TC free, Revenge not
craggy pilot
haha
floral pewter
and not spending any rage on Revenge
enjoy your sudden jump from 1.5k DPS to 3k DPS
amber herald
i think IP is pretty intuitive if you just think of it as hp (even though it's not)
craggy pilot
with all rage going into IP
floral pewter
you can routinely crack 10k on aoe pulls with avatar/ravager/revenge spam
craggy pilot
like the utility of Spear
chilly brook
Tbh
last yew
Really? I donโt see NL being big damage
chilly brook
AA is better utility
half nymph
The Wall still go-to leggo for mythic raiding? Swapping my tank class due to roster adjustments
floral pewter
Really? I donโt see NL being big damage
NL is not big damage, but NF is
chilly brook
Locking down a pack of casters for 12 seconds is better than a simple root
craggy pilot
does it lock them down for 12 sec? ๐ฎ
last yew
Lol I saw NF and thought it said NL
floral pewter
Necrofords!
chilly brook
does it lock them down for 12 sec? ๐ฎ
Knock down at start and every 3 seconds for 12
rich helm
Yo Boys, what is the best Raiding Covenant besides Necro
waxen cradle
Holy shit pugs are so bad at Bolstering this week, every time I am in a key this week I feel like just being in a pugged key this week I got something on me that won't wash off
last yew
Truth
chilly brook
Hey I'm just sayin it's possible
craggy pilot
ye
its also possible to climb mount everest
kinda wanted to try Venthyr, but seeing how dogshit it is for Prot... ๐ฆ
craggy pilot
i only tank in keys
floral pewter
kinda wanted to try Venthyr, but seeing how dogshit it is for Prot... ๐ฆ
it's fine, and it lets you increase your ST DPS while also mitigating damage, and ST DPS is Prot's biggest weakness
all four covenants are useful to prot, and none bring anything super critical
it's not like Arms where a covenant spell replaces your whole rotation
craggy pilot
Spear just seems so good for making aggro on packs
if theres no hunter/rogue in the party
floral pewter
it is, but so is Reprisal and Ravager
craggy pilot
is WW ever used btw?
floral pewter
and you have challenging shout if stuff really gets out of hand
none of the covenant powers rise past "nice to have"
no, we never use whirlwind
craggy pilot
right now i dont even have Execute on my bar for Prot ๐
which makes me thing Condemn is kinda poo
floral pewter
D:
mild ruin
i am loving seeing groups turn themselves inside out for banner tho
floral pewter
excuse u, why run Unnerving Focus if not to spam more executes
chilly brook
right now i dont even have Execute on my bar for Prot ๐
wat
Put that shit on there lmao
chilly brook
On bosses or a single target yes
floral pewter
does it do more dmg than Revenge?
mine says 5687, vs 1599 for revenge
so even for twice the rage cost, it's a lot more
median tulip
Single target, especially with Avatar running, Condemn absolutely is worth it
Remember that as well as the damage it's about 55% of an Ignore Pain in absorb
carmine carbon
What is the best way to farm renown?
amber herald
everyone's like that when they start out tanking
then you figure out when you can do dmg and ๐
weary sentinel
When running Reprisal, is it wise to go Double Time instead of Storm Bolt?
deep steppe
When running Reprisal, is it wise to go Double Time instead of Storm Bolt?
Thats a debate atm. I personally will not be
median tulip
When running Reprisal, is it wise to go Double Time instead of Storm Bolt?
There's an obvious utility to having the flexibility to store charges of Charge, but how it stacks on vs Storm Bolt depends a lot of what other stun options your party brings.
deep steppe
I like mah stormbolt
floral pewter
What is the best way to farm renown?
callings and raid bosses
weary sentinel
And did most do reprisal on feet or legs
rich helm
is Nightfae in Raids possible ?
floral pewter
I switched to necrolord yesterday, did 4 chapters of the campaign, the 4 wings of LFR, and cleared CN Normal on alt night. Today I'm 22 renown
median tulip
is Nightfae in Raids possible ?
All of the covenants are viable in Raids
craggy pilot
is the TC Conduit viable as Kyrian?