I will do that next time, just terrible pack, hate it !
#protection
sick sentinel
forest fern
basically yeah
mellow gorge
yeah it's a terrible pack
i always die to that pack usually
reprisal or not, potted and buffed or not
that pack just kills me
so it's best to whittle it as much as possible
forest fern
need a plan that isn't just "use all resources now!" probably
solemn magnet
Charge it, get threat, never go back in
sick sentinel
Cds, dmg for 5 sec and run the fuck out of there 😄
mellow gorge
^
forest fern
but that will require the 3 other heads no involved to do something
sick sentinel
😄 😄 😄
limpid heron
that pack is one of my least favorite pulls in SL. right up there with the 3 pack on the bridge in SD.
(which Blizz hotfixed btw, you can no longer pull the 2 without also yanking gargoyle)
crystal elm
thanks for the heads up
sick sentinel
that pack is one of my least favorite pulls in SL. right up there with the 3 pac...
at least now you can pull only 2 out of the 3 mobs if you pull the one on the far left. You don't pull the dracula one 😄
solemn magnet
(which Blizz hotfixed btw, you can no longer pull the 2 without also yanking gar...
As of this week? I was able to do it last week.
sick sentinel
(which Blizz hotfixed btw, you can no longer pull the 2 without also yanking gar...
really ?
limpid heron
I read that it was fixed with yesterday's patch.
sudden flax
never look back.
so you don't see how the boomkin who popped convoke right afterwards takes aggro and dies? 
limpid heron
And multiple folks confirmed it.
Even if you taunt / range the far left dude, gargoyle comes along.
sick sentinel
so you don't see how the boomkin who popped convoke right afterwards takes aggro...
😂
mellow gorge
so you don't see how the boomkin who popped convoke right afterwards takes aggro...
my life is more important than that boomkin
his fault he didn't use trees
spiral copper
how is the new legendary?
polar radish
what if you pull the gargoyle?
jolly thistle
call interrupts for the smol brain dps on the big guy and you’ll live next time
solemn magnet
Prots still crap, don't bother😏
limpid heron
@polar radish I've not tried the dungeon since patch, will try gargoyle when I run it next.
prisma bear
if you can keep 100% shield block with reprisal in m+ does this greatly devalue haste for us?
sudden flax
makes me feel things
outer bronze
my 2nd main is bear
my main is bear, feelsgood
crystal elm
Is prot the hardest tank to play in m+?
mystic quarry
Bdk prob the hardest?
limpid heron
Is prot the hardest tank to play in m+?
I've not really tried DK / monk, but at least out of prot warrior / prot pally / bear / DH... I find prot warrior the hardest 😐
crystal elm
I find getting aoe aggro really difficult, but admittedly new to it
limpid heron
Protwar is great for aoe aggro. It's staying alive in kiting hell that is the problem.
uneven mason
I've not really tried DK / monk, but at least out of prot warrior / prot pally /...
thinking ahead is big brain tanking
outer bronze
i might make the switch in 9.1
opposite for me. swapping from bear to war as main most likely
lol
crystal elm
I find I lose agro in the first 3 seconds after I clap and revenge
maybe its the dps thats the problem
woeful trellis
Yeey 226 shield in weekly 😍 with haste
mystic quarry
Why think ahead when u can play veng
sudden flax
opposite for me. swapping from bear to war as main most likely
what makes you switch?
sudden flax
Yeey 226 shield in weekly 😍 with haste
noice grats!
uneven mason
Yeey 226 shield in weekly 😍 with haste
👍
modern brook
Veng is hard because you have to think behind
limpid heron
I find I lose agro in the first 3 seconds after I clap and revenge
Yeah, that definitely shouldn't be happening. ilvl compared to your group members? Shockwave? Demo shout?
uneven mason
Why think ahead when u can play veng
still have to plan pulls on veng
modern brook
"wait why am i in my cheat death again?"
outer bronze
what makes you switch?
bear doesnt bring anything to raid except for being tanky 🤷
mystic quarry
still have to plan pulls on veng
Nah I just press every sigil then scream for sac as I glide away taking back hits
mellow gorge
and there
sick sentinel
if you can keep 100% shield block with reprisal in m+ does this greatly devalue ...
not really, haste gives more rage, shield slam procks =>more rage spent => more cd reduction on avatar and shield wall
sudden flax
bear doesnt bring anything to raid except for being tanky 🤷
you don't have any other warriors in the team? Oo
limpid heron
you don't have any other warriors in the team? Oo
other than when they bring in an alt, I'm the only warrior on my raid team 🥲
modern brook
bear doesnt bring anything to raid except for being tanky 🤷
bear has brez and stampeding roar though
sudden flax
oh yikes
outer bronze
bear has brez and stampeding roar though
we have boomies for roar and ideally one of those CRs because one runs the finesse conduit for it
mellow gorge
outer bronze
you don't have any other warriors in the team? Oo
yeah but they aren't always ideal for a fight
and we wanna minmax a bit more going into next tier
so having a prot warr available is nice
modern brook
yeah ok fair boomkins sure do exist
sick sentinel
now with reprisal, I will go back to AM instead of Bolster. I really like Bolster in M+ with that uptime of shield block 🙂
outer bronze
dont get me wrong bear served me v well for castle but its nothing super special
modern brook
yah fair
mellow gorge
i really want AM for shield wall
sudden flax
yeah but they aren't always ideal for a fight
i'm just wondering what you bring to a raid as a prot warrior that you wouldn't have with a dps warrior 😄
modern brook
i dont think prot warrior is either tbh, unless youre hte only source of shout
mellow gorge
but only relying on shield wall is sad
modern brook
i'm just wondering what you bring to a raid as a prot warrior that you wouldn't ...
another boomkin
mellow gorge
so i like bolster
sudden flax
another boomkin
LMAO fair enough
outer bronze
i'm just wondering what you bring to a raid as a prot warrior that you wouldn't ...
the ability to take a better dps
sudden flax
in exchange for a worse tank? 🤔
outer bronze
worse how?
sudden flax
(i'm joking)
forest fern
having rallying cry in a more constant raid spot as prot is also kinda better, dps tend to switch in and out more than your raids main tanks
subtle island
Thems fighting words
outer bronze
tank choice matters the least out of anything comp related imo
sudden flax
Nesqiix is stealing my jokes wtf
the fact that he meant it makes yours funnier tbh
sick sentinel
but only relying on shield wall is sad
but with reprisal you already have shield block pretty much non stop. Charge + shield block, after that intervene, then shield block 1 more time and you will have another ready to go. I used Bolster for M+ but now I will try with AM only since we have such an uptime of shield block. Gonna check if it's like that live later 🙂
modern brook
forest fern
tank choice matters the least out of anything comp related imo
i would say the current raid yes that is true
timid elbow
what is the discord advice for me if im debating between prot warrior and blood dk?
mossy sluice
play what you like
sudden flax
what is the discord advice for me if im debating between prot warrior and blood ...
you'Re on the warrior discord. take a guess
modern brook
what is the discord advice for me if im debating between prot warrior and blood ...
pick the one you enjoy
but if you enjoy bdk you're a dumb nerd xd
forest fern
i mean you're in the warrior discord, so yeah definitely go dk lol
outer bronze
but if you enjoy bdk you're a dumb nerd xd
rofl facts
candid glen
Its not the size of the boat, but the motion in the ocean
timid elbow
i mean you know how it is, its nice to hear it from insiders
modern brook
Also: unironic fact - DK leggos are SNOOZVILLE
forest fern
i mean warriors are designed to get hit in the head alot and that's what your job is, so prot warrior all the way 🙂
modern brook
so you will only have to do like 3 weeks of torghast for your 1 good lego that does something
where as warrior wants like 2 per spec per content
azure flint
Who benefits the most from banner? Our raid is discussing and DKs seem super strong with army, but who would get it next time around?
Maybe boomies with convoke?
outer bronze
^ tru
mellow gorge
so how would you organize banners in
raids ?
and make sure the right people get buffs without losing dps to position
strong forum
Mark a spot for the designated dps to sidestep out to
Then you leap / intervene there Pop banner, charge back in
That's how I would say would be best
mellow gorge
hmmm
honestly i'd like to switch to necro
but that kyrian spear dmg and phial is too nice for me 😦
modern brook
bro the aff logs with 4 pis and 2 banners are going to be nuts
amber herald
can you stack banner buff?
sudden flax
also consider that you will ahve to grind up renown again
amber herald
two warriors on one dps kinda thing
limpid tide
who made that doc , seems kinda sus
sudden flax
ur sus
sudden flax
stay kyrian
limpid tide
200 dps upgrade for 400 mastery with arcane mage is wayyyyy offf
mellow gorge
and as such
grim zinc
Prot warriors how are you guys feeling?
limpid tide
oh, it's just simming with BiS raid gear, super generic ok
grim zinc
Just checking in. Been practicing prot and I have started hating venthyr
Looking for any excuse to go necro haha
sudden flax
oh, it's just simming with BiS raid gear, super generic ok
it's not supposed to be the end-all of info, it's just to see a general overview of which classes profit the most
umbral cave
are you guys using any special macros to use reprisal to its best potential for both charge & intervene?
modern brook
are you guys using any special macros to use reprisal to its best potential for ...
a mouse over for intervene can help
else not really
mellow gorge
the after shock knock is amazing for packs in m+
rich helm
which Doc @limpid tide
strong forum
who made that doc , seems kinda sus
The official TCs for arms and fury 
Aka Archimtiros and Max
verbal viper
what build is best to use for M+ in conjunction with Reprisal leggo? I checked the sticky but didnt see that question
strong forum
BSC + am
jagged pier
Dev/DT/BSC/whatever/INDOM/Rav/AM
verbal viper
ty
torpid cliff
Guys, I just got a 226 https://www.wowhead.com/item=179350/inscrutable-quantum-device?bonus=6805:1472&ilvl=200#dropped-by
As a vault option. This is a meme, right?
chilly echo
Does the BSC damage boost work on the free reprisal procs?
jagged pier
yes
chilly echo
Spicy
jagged pier
because it gives u the revenge proc
verbal viper
noice
jagged pier
im pretty sure anyway
chilly echo
Yea, was just thinking it could be exempt due to the wording
modern brook
im pretty sure anyway
i'll be 100% sure for you
it does
for exactly what you said
verbal viper
u can test it on a target dummy if needed
does have Reprisal change the priority of the Conduits we want at all?
having*
modern brook
does have Reprisal change the priority of the Conduits we want at all?
no
Cov Potency > Show of force > ven potency
Unnerve + Stalwart > everything
Inpsiring > safegaurd
potent anvil
80%+ block uptime in keys, let's goooo
potent anvil
Fel focus owns
tame jasper
is this an details report?
modern brook
im so glad other ppl use that still
potent anvil
is this an details report?
Yeah
verbal viper
holy shit 80%
wild hemlock
urban tusk
for a fresh level 60 warrior, would you rather go necrolords or kyrian for an M+ focused gameplan?
now that necrolords is cool
amber herald
I would go nightfae 
deep steppe
Do you have a consistent group whose gonna play around your banner? If not, Kyrian
outer solstice
Do you have a consistent group whose gonna play around your banner? If not, Kyr...
for M+ I'd go NF if you don't have an organized group
deep steppe
for M+ I'd go NF if you don't have an organized group
NF is better on Offense, Kyrian is better on def/utility. Its a coin flip imo, but I like my phial so 🤷♂️
verbal viper
Unnerve + Stalwart > everything
can you possibly link to a Pelagos tree to see whats optimal
urban tusk
I don't have an organized group, already pugged keystonemaster on my main and will also keep pugging on my alt^^
modern brook
can you possibly link to a Pelagos tree to see whats optimal
sure one sec
amber herald
building for defense is a gkick 
verbal viper
the Vial is so good on Necrotic weeks
amber herald
dmg whores only in this chat
outer solstice
NF is better on Offense, Kyrian is better on def/utility. Its a coin flip imo, ...
for M+ I'd argue NF is better in terms of utility
tame jasper
Also trying to pug my keymaster atm 😦
deep steppe
I don't have an organized group, already pugged keystonemaster on my main and wi...
if you pug then not Necro lmao
modern brook
can you possibly link to a Pelagos tree to see whats optimal
you can move stuff around if you share the soulbind so you dont have to spend anima
but this is the goal
deep steppe
NF & kyrian are pretty neck and neck
urban tusk
guess I'm gonna go NF then, don't have a char in that covenant so far
earnest pond
you can move stuff around if you share the soulbind so you dont have to spend an...
Weird to see a potency skipped. Are prot ones not that impactful?
modern brook
Kleia also very good if you dont want to share the soulbind
modern brook
Weird to see a potency skipped. Are prot ones not that impactful?
show of force sucks
deep steppe
^
modern brook
And low key PHial of paitence is actually insanely busted
55% heal over 10s?
Yeah ok "class ability" btw
verbal viper
I am mainly prot with some Fury play time - hard to decide if prot or fury should use Pelagos as he seems to be the best soulbind for Kyrian for almost all spec's i've ever researched when picking Kyrian lol
modern brook
I am mainly prot with some Fury play time - hard to decide if prot or fury shoul...
this would be playable
swapping top and bottom forks for prot and fury
earnest pond
I am mainly prot with some Fury play time - hard to decide if prot or fury shoul...
Yeah i just started playing prot war and trying to figure out a second soulbind to pvp for gears lol
modern brook
if you really dont want to think about it; or arent willing to give up IP on fury, just use kleia for prot tbh
verbal viper
i dont know why they dont juse delete Conduit Energy already
modern brook
or whichever sims lower for fury (it will be kleia)
urban tusk
i dont know why they dont juse delete Conduit Energy already
same
modern brook
next expac they're going to include conduit energy but for talent swaps
Someone mark this because im calling it now
verbal viper
shhhhh dont even say that
mellow gorge
hmmm
modern brook
but STalwart w/ AM and/or wall is super efficient
limpid heron
Has anyone made the jump from Kyrian to Necro? Experience? Thoughts?
modern brook
And Unnerving doubles as a DPS conduit
limpid heron
I'm considering it.
modern brook
its hard to replace them
mellow gorge
i might switch to kleai then
pelagos is good and all
but kleai has some nice defensives
patent osprey
Necrolord is for if you want to feel personal agonizing pain
modern brook
the biggest problem with kleia is you cant afford to go ascendant phial
because the cov potency is very good
and mentorship is kinda not lol
limpid heron
Necrolord is for if you want to feel personal agonizing pain
Oof lol. Why's that
mellow gorge
can't you?
just switch the first to defence
and swap the last one for the slow
you get a potency and a defence
modern brook
you get a potency and a defence
the only reason to play kleia (and im willing to argue this expands to literally every single spec in the game) is for Pointed courage
mellow gorge
i want that absorb shield out of combat
and the slow sounds juicy
5% crit won't do me much really
modern brook
both mean nothing in a world where group content exists
brittle owl
5% crit is big wdym
turbid gazelle
Hey fellas, how is the new Reprisal?
mellow gorge
is grucci
sweet summit
epic
turbid gazelle
Good to hear, can't wait to craft it in a few hours
modern brook
***ah, you see, i pug***
- If a single other slow exists the conduit is moot regardless of group coordination 2) 5% crit is like ~200 stats. its basically a free ring
brittle owl
what kind of...ring
mellow gorge
don't get me wrong
5% crit is alot
but say, it was 5% haste then i'd 100% take it
personally, the slow would help me more than the 5% crit
modern brook
Nah you're thinking about ti wrong. IF you want to go kleia i wont stop you but you need to understand the only thing in the whole tree that makes it even come close to competing with Pelagos is pointed courage
mellow gorge
understandable
brittle owl
also consider the fact that, if you pug, gaining more personal throughput would grant you more control over the content you're doing
modern brook
also remember you lose combat meditation
so not going pointed courage is actually just abandoning 200 stats
verbal viper
Fueled by Violence conduit would seem good as a self heal? with Reprisal giving Revenge procs
modern brook
Deep wounds doesnt do enough to justify it as a heal
brittle owl
nah
modern brook
especially when compared to unnerving and stalwart
verbal viper
but if you hit 3 or 4 mobs?
brittle owl
even if you hit 10
verbal viper
lol
brittle owl
it's still peanuts
modern brook
but if you hit 3 or 4 mobs?
then you're being hit by 3 or 4 mobs
verbal viper
true
mellow gorge
i'll test it out, i am losing ~400 stats, in exchange for more survivability via slows, a somewhat heal i think, and such
brittle owl
i'd go for the 400 stats 11/10 times tbh
mellow gorge
mastery is nice to have cause it boosts block
modern brook
Crit gives parry
mellow gorge
o ye
sweet summit
not %
plush tendon
Lets be real, the reason you go Necrolord like me is that the Tmog looks siq and the banner looks swag
sweet summit
ya
modern brook
but a 45% slow for 20 seconds
you have a 30% slow applied at all times already
mellow gorge
ye but i want my enemies to be even slower
brittle owl
why
mellow gorge
why not
brittle owl
would tripping a turtle be effective in a race?
modern brook
because your other option si 5% crit lol
mellow gorge
i want to break its legs to make sure it never walks
mellow gorge
hmmm
alright fair
so between mastery and crit then
eh i'll take crit
it's more uptime than mastery w spear
modern brook
<a:LETSGOOO:770741530805796874>
replying cause i cant use this emote but its what im feeling rn
mellow gorge
ah the field of blossoms for night fae sound nice
12% haste for 15 seconds for using the uh
soulshape or after shock?
the nf class ability
modern brook
i think thats a standing zone though
similar to anime fields
i also tihnk Korayn still wins in m+ but NF warriors can talk about that
opal escarp
sorry if this has been asked before, but I assume reprisal is not really usable for sludge mythic, considering the minimum range on charge?
strong forum
Sludge is the perfect fight for am+wall
opal escarp
yeah agreed, I've been using that myself
amber herald
what boss fights are reprisal good for now?
opal escarp
there are some specific laps where I have sb downtime but that's what externals are for
ty
strong forum
Reprisal is good for slg and dena I reckon
And hungering
But on hungering it's just for dmg lmoa
Inerva aswell
opal escarp
most parses still play with bolster on sludge, that literally for ss dmg or do you think there is a case to be made for either talent?
strong forum
Council I'll have to test
strong forum
most parses still play with bolster on sludge, that literally for ss dmg or do y...
AM is more dmg than bolster
They're just playing it safe
jagged pier
well i played like dog shit but i like the leggo and the damage buf
opal escarp
y ofc
strong forum
Getting there
opal escarp
ok thanks
strong forum
On fort that's an easy 6k dps
jagged pier
yer but i missed alot of intervenes charges and AMS
probably could have been like 5.5+
i reckon
shy thunder
are you all liking necrolord? debating making the change from kyrian
jagged pier
im not necro
deep steppe
not playing necro
jagged pier
☝️
shy thunder
kyrian brotherhood intact?
strong forum
Si
deep steppe
mystic quarry
What’s highest dmg leg for raid
uneven mason
none of the DPS in my guild have bid high enough to get me to swap
mystic quarry
If there even is one
uneven mason
TW
sweet summit
reprisal or signet
sweet summit
i think reprisal is better
uneven mason
for situations you can use it I suppose
strong forum
reprisal is better theoretically
sweet summit
imagine
uneven mason
hard to use it effectively
coral oyster
boys what talents do we play now with reprisal?
uneven mason
so, effectively TW is best for DPS in raid
sweet summit
signet sims higher for me
uneven mason
boys what talents do we play now with reprisal?
BSC AM
sweet summit
might be venthyr tho
coral oyster
@uneven mason thx
strong forum
woo stygia
uneven mason
You'd think they'd offer something useful as the consolation prize for getting aboslute shit in your vault
subtle tulip
TW best for all purpose raiding i thought
uneven mason
TW best for all purpose raiding i thought
asked about DPS
grizzled forge
so how are people feeling on necro should i stay night fae or simp out?
midnight stone
There are some pulls I miss aftershock, but in general it's fun to be necro
sick sentinel
did they fix the "transmog 2 hander artefact weapons on a prot warrior" trick ?
jagged pier
i dont see the legs or chest
modern brook
hey look its a dork
jagged pier
i dont have chest
odd verge
So how has Reprisal felt so far?
feels good man. SB uptimes are noticeable without Bolster. But just getting the hang of timing charges/intervene to maximize potential.
jagged pier
what weps u using can simp the transmog
fallow epoch
Before release It's said Reprisal nerfed from 6sec to 4sec. Right now on live servers [EU] testing it out and its granting 6sec shield block. so it is back again?
odd verge
🤫
fallow epoch
I was thinking about same thing 🙂
odd verge
what thing?
fallow epoch
nope john snow knows nothing.
plush tendon
Working as intended
strong forum
somebody help me, what can i put there as WA since BSC is the same image as revenge
strong forum
revenge does that
outer solstice
then make it light
strong forum
Revenge gains colour when usable, then glows when revenge proc is active
dry spear
it is done
lol plüschpudding
outer solstice
ooooh
strong forum
spear is somewhere else
outer solstice
I'm actually talking about the icon to spin
deep steppe
jagged pier
@strong forum just simping dont hate
outer solstice
pff
dry spear
nom, u run with reprisal?
strong forum
now i do yes
deep steppe
Ignore Pain Maybe?
strong forum
IP is useless on bars 😦
sterile moss
You can use the same icon for bsc with a different zoom ratio and the letters BSC
deep steppe
🤷♂️
strong forum
mh...
outer solstice
jagged pier
yikes
dry spear
noice
sweet summit
like teldrasil
outer solstice
dry spear
u need the tails, yes
strong forum
fixed it
sterile moss
lol
dry spear
wait i need to take a screenshot
strong forum
yo my HP tho
sweet summit
have scale there or something
strong forum
woeful trellis
ur ui is free? i like 😄
strong forum
ye
orchid frigate
Link wa hud plz
sterile moss
use 📈 for bsc
strong forum
woeful trellis
ty mate
neat dirge
Is bsc any good?
uneven mason
Is bsc any good?
with reprisal and seismic yes
strong forum
bsc is good with seismic / reprisal
neat dirge
I see
orchid frigate
https://wago.io/Zt_bTl_7s
Thanks!
lone hearth
wait so that icon is only there to fill a gap so it dont look dumb?
strong forum
ye
its there cuz dragon roar was supposed to used, so now its the icon space for that entire row
clear pond
how important is shield ilvl for survivability?
strong forum
very
sweet summit
very
strong forum
most important item
clear pond
who'd have guessed, thanks guys
strong forum
sure
lone hearth
that icon is giving me pyscho vibes
strong forum
the regular Covenant ability i have on the far left
strong forum
so can just put banner there or w/e
lone hearth
fitted mine pretty well
craggy zephyr
you put haste versa on reprisal?
sweet summit
ya
lone hearth
just the ip one that is kinda in a bad spot
craggy zephyr
thanks : )
chilly brook
Nice equipment set
strong forum
lone hearth
oof
chilly brook
Mortal strike is doo doo
sweet summit
shut htefuck up
brittle owl
fuck the up shut
sweet summit
strong forum
Infinite casts of condemn, 1.6k dps
26 casts of mortal, 360 dps
Clear winner
Infinite is alot more casts than 26
remote dawn
Yeeee i got it 226 schield ❤️
chilly brook
I mean it literally is a maintenance buff @brittle owl
dull swallow
does some know how god prot now is with the 9.0.5 buffs?
chilly brook
Only time you press it in execute is to keep the good old deep wounds up
strong forum
alot tankier
and a decent bit more dmg output in m+
still the least raid dmg tank tho
chilly brook
still the least raid dmg tank tho
I thought we ahead of blood now
strong forum
na
chilly brook
Uhhh
vocal granite
Should i swap to necro even if i'm pugging ? or i stick to Kyrian ?
strong forum
stick to kyrian if pugging
necro is only good if you coordinate around your dps with it
deep steppe
na
that moment when i realize we are the lowest raid dps tank, and i've beat my BDK co-tank all xpac
vocal granite
kk
strong forum
well sure, i also beat my vdh cotank
untold raptor
so for overall surv in m+ wall or repisal
strong forum
reprisal
chilly brook
vdh is the 2nd lowest
strong forum
deep steppe
chilly brook
That holds true from 90 to max btw
chilly brook
Didnt look below 90
light quartz
A lot of guilds haven't raided yet tho.
strong forum
true
vocal granite
Maybe one day we will be ahead of vdh in pve content xd
strong forum
i mean we were all of bfa ( only in m+ )
dont need to be ahead really
just in a good spot
and we are in a good spot now
we were in an alright spot, now we're in a good spot
vocal granite
Yeah ikr ( was playing wprot ) but in high key vdh will still be the "bis" tank at least for now
strong forum
it do be like that
idk why people have such a hardon to be "the best"
just compete in your own league and push as much as you can there
tame charm
i heard about a possible Conqueror's Banner bug to make it last longer? Anyone know anything about that?
sweet summit
strong forum
never heard of that
vocal granite
I just like to play the so called " best tank"
tame charm
ok i thought it was likely crap, someone mentioned it in Naowh's chat
wanted to verify whats up
vocal granite
but i love wprot too much to keep cheating on him with my vdh xd
vocal granite
ahaha
strong forum
imagine being a fotm vdh baby
vocal granite
That guy did the same with Bfa, the only non wprot in top ladder
strong forum
and getting btfo'd by a guardian
yes i know
cuz he sticks to his shit
unlike fotm babies
chilly brook
And he just plays well
modern snow
He's incredibly skilled, yeah.
vocal granite
True
strong forum
just like Timebreaker was the only DH in pre-patch https://i.imgur.com/1wUqj8n.png
tbf pre-patch was a hot mess
chilly brook
Big facts
vocal granite
Stopped playing during pre patch but that shit was a mess
vocal granite
trinkets before nerfs were a mess
sudden flax
question: should i use whirlwind as prot wrrior at all?
sweet summit
no
vocal granite
nop
sudden flax
aight, thanks!
jagged pier
when the shamman that extra pulled and then didnt use invis pot to get to second boss so we lost prideful trys to blame the route 😄
mild lintel
Question: Will there be a new 9.0.5 cheat sheet added to the pins like the one from 9.0.2 that has been removed? ❤️
It was incredibly helpful!
light quartz
prepatch was awesome with Prot pala exploding when using HP during wings. 😦 I miss it
uneven mason
Question: Will there be a new 9.0.5 cheat sheet added to the pins like the one f...
I'm sure he'll add one eventually
but it's going to read
"Stack Ilvl"
"The wall for raids/Reprisal everywhere else"
"Best Covenant: Yes"
sharp shuttle
For those of you that switched to Necrolord, what soulbind have yall been liking in m+?
mild lintel
Alright, I just want to always make sure that I'm preforming optimally for my teammates. Thanks! @uneven mason
sharp shuttle
I could see benefits to all of them tbh
sweet summit
emeni
lone hearth
Alright, I just want to always make sure that I'm preforming optimally for my te...
the princess, moving flashcraft
just cant not love it
sharp shuttle
Yea I was thinking emeni as well, piling lead by example onto the mastery buff already there seems sweet and moving fleshcraft
Marileths Ooz's Frictionless Coating seems nice too
fallen rose
on a dummy bit no intervene target so would be easyer with a friend
fringe marten
So for any prot wars who got through mythic council of blood: how did the final phase play out on your kill attempts??
jagged pier
So for any prot wars who got through mythic council of blood: how did the final ...
i was tanking the boss
runic hare
So for any prot wars who got through mythic council of blood: how did the final ...
tanking the boss
ocean bloom
Boss tank
verbal pelican
So how you guys find the new reprisal so far? About to craft it soon. Btw. legs or feet?
fringe marten
You never held the gargoyle? Ok. Ill try question in another way. Any prots hold a gargolye/s in p3? How did you and guild handle it? (Excluding using your personal cds and calling for external cycling)
mossy sluice
legs
fringe marten
Legs..and its an awesome lego.
lavish oracle
Leaper helps a lot apparently
jagged pier
You never held the gargoyle? Ok. Ill try question in another way. Any prots hold...
well your only supposed to hold one and it should get blasted to fuk ours did anyway then u just kite
modern snow
For those of you that switched to Necrolord, what soulbind have yall been liking...
i simp for emeni
runic hare
You never held the gargoyle? Ok. Ill try question in another way. Any prots hold...
What class does your co-tank play, if you dont mind me asking?
lavish oracle
Limit Max released a council guide the other day, he goes over just killing the add if you're not able to kite it
fringe marten
Yeah jake thats what we did..i grabbed first garg..then demo..shield wall..stand..it died. Ot did second garg...we did dance..i got clapped on.third so did he.
Craq..a bear.
runic hare
Do you guys resort to kiting from the start, having 2 up as soon as the dance macabre hits, or do you guys go straight to killing?
jagged pier
Yeah jake thats what we did..i grabbed first garg..then demo..shield wall..stand...
u should only tank the first, from what i know the second dies in the dance and then u have like 1 min until the third
then u kite
until boss is dead
jagged pier
Do you guys resort to kiting from the start, having 2 up as soon as the dance ma...
we tried but we pushed to early
so just killed the added to push at the right time
runic hare
Ah yeah that's fair. I had the luxury of having a DH tank just kiting the gargoyles from the start, and me being glued to the boss pretty much
unique jetty
Reprisal new BIS?
mossy sluice
modern snow
jagged pier
well yer my dh kites
runic hare
And having a paladin to remove stacks from Niklaus is also giga
signal plover
It should also be much easier to kite/tank p3 in general with the latest nerfs.
jagged pier
☝️
signal plover
May even be ok to just cleave onto stone guard in 50-0 nik phase
If u don't have a good kiting tank
Kite should be way comfier as well since sin touched blade is a reduced frequency.
I'm pretty pumped to reclear once we get Sludge down tbh
fringe marten
Craq we blasted the first add. Sorry at work couldnt respond right away
runic hare
No worries, that's fine. Yeah that does make things a bit more dicey for the upcoming gargoyles
Do you guys push into the Dance as the second one spawns, or does he get a few hits in as well?
amber herald
last boss HoA is aids
yep
runic hare
Because normally it starts going to shit at the third gargoyle and beyond anyway
amber herald
trick is to stand away from the boss even if you're melee
blazing condor
yeah i realized that too late
amber herald
fuck storming
crisp dragon
I hate storming, all my homies hate storming
grand drum
does it knock you far enough from a mob to use charge? that would be huge
stable geyser
Hey guys
Reprisal best on boots or pants?
deep steppe
Hey guys
Reprisal best on boots or pants?
pants are more stats
blazing condor
pants unless youre gonna do mythic SLG
floral pewter
can maybe note on how it feels?
Fleshcraft feels really good
fallen hearth
Someone needs to post the reprisal information in the announcements
floral pewter
trying to put banner on the right people in a raid seems very difficult, I just popped it and let it go to whoever
probably easier in a dungeon
lavish oracle
Even if you do mythic SLG, I'd still build it pants
Unless you wanna make it again next tier
lime urchin
supple heath
hey dudes, not sure if this has been discussed already, but is the talent best served cold worth it with reprisal?
lavish oracle
Yes
supple heath
in raids too? reprisal is pretty awkward to use there overall I feel
floral pewter
if you're using Reprisal, BSC is worth taking
some raid fights are practical use Reprisal, others not
supple heath
fair enough
lavish oracle
Reprisal is good in some raid encounters, but The Wall is still the default in raid
bright salmon
Anyone else notice their shields being tiny now?
lavish oracle
My shield seems normal size to me
crisp dragon
I would trasmog my shield away, since there are no good shield tmogs
strange socket
I know theres been a tremendous amount of news/speculation on reprisal. Im checking the M+ Boards and still seeing a lot of prot warriors using Wall, Thunderlord, and now Reprisal. I already have Thunderlord, but am wondering where to invest my soul ash. Cap out Thunderlord or go Reprisal. How much of a difference in Reprisal are we talking here?
supple heath
reprisal is way better essentially
crisp dragon
A lot if u play well, and a lot more fun too
floral pewter
Reprisal is way way better for M+
oblique patio
Did anyone have a chance to test the vulpera racial with the reprisal? Does the block negatively impact the amount of damage reduced by the vulpera racial?
crisp dragon
Did anyone have a chance to test the vulpera racial with the reprisal? Does the ...
No furries allowed here
deep steppe
crisp dragon
All thunderlord does is reduce the damage of essentially every pack by 20%, blocking is better by default, and you get 100% of it, if you're good
inner coyote
so what's the go to talent setup? 3112233?
grand drum
reprisal also gives more rage on average
inner coyote
or are we swapping to AM because we have 100% SB uptime anyways
crisp dragon
Yes
grand drum
AM
crisp dragon
Yes
inner coyote
I'd assume you'd leap -> charge
crisp dragon
in many scenarioes
inner coyote
to keep using Reprisal buff
deep steppe
There was a big debate in here a few days ago
crisp dragon
No
grand drum
ravager still the go to
crisp dragon
Ravager is still better on simms and rage is smoother and more
grand drum
clap doesnt do damage like it used to
inner coyote
interesting, aim of the game is rage I guess
deep steppe
The final verdict was, bounding & crackling are approximately the same, it’s just preference
crisp dragon
However, I will use UF, because I think its a more fun gameplay
deep steppe
Yeah mwahi has posted sims
strange socket
What is the go-to gear piece for Reprisal?
deep steppe
What is the go-to gear piece for Reprisal?
Pants
crisp dragon
Always the one that awards biggest stats
deep steppe
Unless you have Mythic SLG legs
inner coyote
just in case I'm terrible at Reprisal
round raptor
using reprisal in raids, should i be intervening on cooldown with my co-tank?
crisp dragon
True
crisp dragon
using reprisal in raids, should i be intervening on cooldown with my co-tank?
be careful with doing that, on certain bosses u get their debuff, generally u would still go wall
floral pewter
Can you explain "why" way better?
let's be optimistic and say it cuts your demo shout cooldown in half, so you get an extra 10 seconds of 20% mitigation every 45. Reprisal gives you at least an extra 12 of shield block uptime in the same interval, even if you make basically no effort to optimize it, and SB is more than 20% mitigation
plus rage, plus instant threat on pull
inner coyote
I think the big thing is the Free revenge on charge in
round raptor
be careful with doing that, on certain bosses u get their debuff, generally u wo...
oic, yeah a debuff can be a problem, but i will always have shield block up for the intercept atk i will receive right?
inner coyote
makes holding aggro on the initial pull a lot easier
crisp dragon
oic, yeah a debuff can be a problem, but i will always have shield block up for ...
intervene to a nearby melee if u must, but just be careful with tanks
stable kernel
reprisal is fun and feels strong
round raptor
intervene to a nearby melee if u must, but just be careful with tanks
yeah, i tought melee is safe, but overall having a guaranteed block for the co-tank can be very helpful on reducing overall damage in raids i think, no?
strange socket
Guess I will try this new Fad out.
amber herald
is there a macro for nearest target for intervene?
crisp dragon
yeah, i tought melee is safe, but overall having a guaranteed block for the co-t...
During ability downtime sure, it's good to reduce the damage taken, but the damage taken there usually isnt high, and u just receive it
round raptor
makes sense
quasi orbit
Does any1 know the radius of the banner?
Like how close someone needs to be to get the mastery buff
quasi orbit
Has anyone tested it out. Is it worth the swap?
fringe marten
What legendary are those sims using? Or it it with no lego involved?
fringe marten
You are crit blocking more due to the mastery...and if you have the 15% mainstat with it youd have more armor and bigger ip's
plush tendon
Banner gives a decent amount of rage
fringe marten
And bigger ips from the mastery too.
lofty widget
the banner itself is a groupwide buff but a personal loss
so if you can coordinate that shi and benefit from it, why not go for it
last yew
necro worth it then?
tulip raft
Man, cant make my mind up to put new lego in feet or Legs 😄
plush tendon
I made feet
next apex
remeber in BFA when u had triple Bastion of Might trait and u would avatar and be like 70% mastery? yah its like that but less amazing
sturdy trench
perosnal loss compared to what
plush tendon
had 220 legs and 197 boots
sturdy trench
aa or spear?
plush tendon
both
sturdy trench
those spells dont do shit anws
lofty widget
aa, spear and condemn
fringe marten
What slot can the leaper legendary go? I assume shoulders..and what else?
lofty widget
What slot can the leaper legendary go? I assume shoulders..and what else?
waist and feet
next apex
do we just take Ravager now that TC dmg got buffed? or nah?
crisp dragon
any1 got a list for all classes defensive abilities?
plush tendon
I think Rav is still the play... no clue though
deep steppe
Rav is the play
last yew
kyrian or necro? im not seeing the upside to necro or am i missing something
lofty widget
ravager for m+, itf in raid, UF was never the play
sweet summit
ravager is the play everywhere
fringe marten
Really??? The old timeless strategem was shoulders...why would they not follow that? Most other legos have.
oblique pike
did they make reprisal a full SB again?
desert folio
kyrian or necro? im not seeing the upside to necro or am i missing something
night fae 🙂
sweet summit
might be a bug
last yew
no 4s
oblique pike
i have a warrior here getting a full 6 sec sb from reprisal
sweet summit
no its giving 6 sec atm
oblique pike
is that a bug?
craggy pilot
did they do anything to Venthyr Prot?
stable kernel
yeah its giving 6
craggy pilot
or still the same?
uneven mason
i have a warrior here getting a full 6 sec sb from reprisal
🤫
sweet summit
might be a bug
might be a feature
who knows
xd
last yew
lol
fringe marten
So i may make a cheap leaper belt for council in case we want to kite third.
uneven mason
Prot with big block should be on boss
fringe marten
Is the soul ash bug fixed??
lofty widget
yeh
oblique pike
yes
quick pecan
What was the bug? Y’all need to start talking when good shit happens lol
fringe marten
Ikari youre right..but im going to have that in my tool belt IF we need to employ that strat.
next apex
anybody else miss conflict and Strife?
jagged pier
nope
modern snow
n o
spark mortar
Not even remotely.
desert folio
i miss aegis of the deep with 9x 12% versatile
potent crypt
reprisal
spark mortar
I miss my magic shield from Mechagon.
potent crypt
what item si good for reprisal lego?
sweet summit
legs
desert folio
legs unless you're killing mythic SLG imo
ocean yoke
i sob at my shrine to twilight dev every morning, gone too soon
open monolith
Im hearing SB has an 18 second cap, so with bugged reprisal we actually need to be careful?
wet compass
TY 🙂
sweet summit
active mitigation has a 3x cap yes
sturdy trench
u basically charge
double SB
and ur goochi
i have so much rage actually
feels so beefy
strange socket
So what are the talents now? WoWhead I dont think has updated for M+
next apex
wait wait reprisal is the new good good? or was it always the good good for M+
desert folio
new good good
strange socket
Do we take Ravager then?
sweet summit
always
fringe marten
The pics of the sims from mwahi.. is that baseline or using a certain lego? And what were the settings for those sims?
deep steppe
Yellow name knows all
deep steppe
desert folio
best served cold feels too good
fringe marten
Yes erga
sweet summit
with reprisal, no covenant
currently, ravager is outsimming itf for me
might wanna sim yourself to check as well
on single target*
fringe marten
Ok. Do you know what the settings were? How many targets, how long?
verbal viper
my warrior is fairly new to lvl 60 compared to my other alts, all his gear is around 194-197 but I cannot get a damn weap or shield to drop.. do we HAVE to pvp basically to get a fuckin shield? cannot believe there are no craftable 190 shields anymore in SL
sweet summit
1t 5m
5t 5m
uneven mason
my warrior is fairly new to lvl 60 compared to my other alts, all his gear is ar...
I had to get my first shield and weapon from PVP
sweet summit
there are 190 BoEs
manic scaffold
I think ima craft the wall leggo seems more consistent
fringe marten
Another thing too, since they boosted the potency of our combat arts 10% and clap 20%..how does celestial guidance enchant fair against lightless force now?
eager phoenix
nice trolling GV... 220 scale on my shitter dk but warrior/guardian yet to see it even drop
uneven mason
there are 190 BoEs
no 190 1h BoE
manic scaffold
I see everyone using it on warcraft logs
uneven mason
reprisal is for m+
sweet summit
but reprisal is way ahead in m+
uneven mason
the wall for raid
umbral aurora
Everyone is using it on WCL because reprisal just became good literally 2 days ago
uneven mason
Seismic for
umbral aurora
Sorry, 1 day ago
manic scaffold
How often do you guys intervene
uneven mason
Today if you're in EU!
jagged pier
rav not higher for me on ST 😦 i like my rav button
sweet summit
wth
fringe marten
Hm also, if that is just a sim..even if its using reprisal lego I'm guessing simc doesnt really 'use' reprisal..only on pull?
sweet summit
not sure i havent checked
jagged pier
im pretty sure Mwahi said he got it working
fast wyvern
Hi newly dinged prot warrior here, what is the best cov after 9.0.5
Also the new bis leggo feels really nice
mossy sluice
fringe marten
Its patchwerk 5 mins so its just standing still mashing rotation for 5 min?
Jakey are you saying that mwahi said he believes the sim was utilizing/activating reprisal as much as possible?
deep steppe
Mwahi is very widebrain
supple heath
is unstoppable force good now with the TC buff?
sweet summit
its not using charge outside of the opener. no
bleak plaza
can you take an extra stack of a tank buster mechanic by intervening the other tank?
mossy sluice
depends on the spell
sweet summit
depends. is it a melee hit?
bleak plaza
im just saying in general i guess
sweet summit
yes
bleak plaza
idk if it will block dmg or completely redirect an attack
fringe marten
I will; its not that Im knocking the work he put in...I appreciate it. Only asking questions to establish how realistic or accurate they are. If a sim us actually using reprisal as much as it can be..its going to boost the weight of revenge.
bleak plaza
does that work in the same way if you intervene and put SR up?
mossy sluice
cant intervene spells
bleak plaza
gotcha thanks
fringe marten
So if it werent..and showing revenge with bsc being our top single target choice; it could be even better than it shows.
delicate thorn
This new banner is pretty gosh darn neat
mighty valley
BV/ITF is like 140 more dps for me on patchwerk sims... but then I'm venthyr
fringe marten
Not saying mwahi would just randomly sim talents and post something. I know he would try and make it as accurate as he could.
sweet summit
BV/ITF is like 140 more dps for me on patchwerk sims... but then I'm venthyr
link?
deft vessel
boys, vault recs, plz, option 1:
option 2 is 213 shield, vs. my
I'm 219 equipped...
signal plover
Shield always
mossy sluice
^
deft vessel
it's a real shitty feelsfucking bad moment, I've been doing xymox for two months now
I have generals in the loot pool as well
and I've been doing m+15s for over a month as well
dumb ass rng, so fed up with the fucking shield always being my weakest fucking slot
mossy sluice
just shadowlands things
deft vessel
I know, I'm just not happy about how it gave me the worst possible shield it could've given me out of all of the shields available in my vault
at least it's a fucking shield i guess
mossy sluice
not to be that guy but looks like you only did a m14/15 and 3 raid bosses
deft vessel
which makes this vault different than all my previous vaults (I've never had a shield from my vault, I had a 200 from early m+ and then 207 from normal generals, i've not found ANY OTHER SHIELDS AT ALL and I have KSM and have spammed mists ad infinitum
uneven mason
I know, I'm just not happy about how it gave me the *worst possible shield* it c...
dude, I have sire and SLG in my pool, do DOS at +15s and it keeps offering me 213 gear I'm already wearing 220+ of and my 226 is normally a cloak
mossy sluice
theres a lot of loot
deft vessel
not to be that guy but looks like you only did a m14/15 and 3 raid bosses
you are being that guy, and yes, sometimes work's busy and also yes, I don't care much to push m+ beyond 1 or 4 when I'm already done with KSM, is what you get for two evenings of two hours of play
and it was a 16, excuse you :p
after doing 10+ 14+ in a week for several weeks in a row and getting repeat items I kind of lost my drive to farm the vault, especially with the ass loot RNG and being done with KSM
it's also the same reason why I have no desire to farm valor now, all my farming of before is invalidated (got to get new items for all my slots except leggos) and I'm already "done" with the season so why bother
mossy sluice
yeah i mean i get it that loot sucks but you can't be mad that your 2/150 didnt hit a shield. the 213 shield from raid is sick too, its haste vers or haste crit or something
uneven mason
after doing 10+ 14+ in a week for several weeks in a row and getting repeat item...
☝️ The only week I ever capped out all 9 boxes was the week I got literally the worst possible loot choices
deft vessel
go rng right!?!
patent osprey
So without being too memey and getting used to reprisal, im getting about 80-85% uptime of shieldblock in m+
uneven mason
now I do like, 4 M+ and clear raid
fast wyvern
Why are shields so important?
teal prawn
just came back to WoW after taking a break mid BFA is prot warrior doing good atm ?
deft vessel
innate block stat